Return mastery

[lime edge]

@gusty pike you better like it

[zinc stone]

Can't you just fix return with balance changes?

Whatever, let's take a look

[lime edge]

Ok but it ain't as fun

[zinc stone]

This just adds a fixed version of return but keeps the flawed unmastered version

(Reminder, the issue wih unmas is that it has zero offense and mobility, but comically high defense)

[lime edge]

Which is why this ability has some form of offense

This mastery I mean

[zinc stone]

Couldn't you just, fix return instead of making a mastery

Whatever that's a topic for later

First I need to ensure that THIS is balanced

[lime edge]

They already know return is bugged and don't fix it, so I might aswell suggest something that could help bring attention to it

Anyway just tell me your thoughts, im open to changes

[zinc stone]

Hmmmm

[austere moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bowser-fart-gif-11437563165283047467

😢

[lime edge]

Why would I open that

[zinc stone]

So far seems decent

Bowser what gif

[austere moat]

It relates to your pfp

[zinc stone]

Anyways ignoring that weirdo, perhaps make it so you gain energy when punching people

And tone down the passive regen

[austere moat]

😢

[zinc stone]

So far I like it

[lime edge]

Eh I thought of doing that but idk if that works best, because return is basically reliant on its ability for fighting

[zinc stone]

Though my only concern is R allowing for some diabolical combos

Return + time

Rwturn + god punch

[lime edge]

Ye it can definitely be OP but only in the right hand

[zinc stone]

Return + engineer box with a teleporter

Return + basically any nuker ability

Yeah you get the point

That's my main concern

[lime edge]

Ye I think maybe I could put some kind of limits

Maybe a range limit or a time limit

Maybe make it so you need to use it in the next 10 seconds or it expire

[zinc stone]

Perhaps giving then iframes for 2 seconds to anything BUT the return user?

Or that

[lime edge]

Idk that would ruin the pure combo potential I had envisioned

I view it more as a "get over here" typa move

[zinc stone]

ok

[lime edge]

But yea I'll add a time limit

[gusty pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1188118097777926194/1210737727905996851/GTW7KH2JOFE_Z3PNU4L.gif

[zinc stone]

Yeah this seems pretty good

I think

[lime edge]

Don't forget to like my brotha

[lime edge]

Also if this get added before my railgun mastery I might get slightly annoyed

[zinc stone]

I mean, I do like it way more than railgun mastery

(I still think this could have been a rework and not a mastery)

[lime edge]

Then could you perhaps leave a like I don't really like the fact there as much like reaction as pregnant male reaction

[zinc stone]

Oh yeah, I think you should probably also increase the damage per punch to 12

[lime edge]

Hmm

Eh idk

Ik return isn't that strong offensively

But idk if that's the best solution

[zinc stone]

fair

[lime edge]

Can anyone like this I don't wanna be stuck with this pregnant man emoji to long

[blazing pendant]

Return does not suck, it’s meant for more melee attackers but it doesn’t suck

It’s like default but it has multiple lives

[lime edge]

Good thing this is a mastery and not a rework

[blazing pendant]

it doesn’t need one

A mastery is overall useless when something doesn’t need it

[lime edge]

It does, it's literally one of the least used ability, and people hate it because it's completely useless and boring

I'm sorry but if you think the most hated agility doesn't deserve a mastery then nothing does lol

And not hated cause it's op, hated cause it's bad

[blazing pendant]

I’d say a rework is needed, not a mastery, it’s Alr good, a mastery would just be useless and make it better then it Alr is

[lime edge]

It's not good

[blazing pendant]

it is gng

it rlly is

[lime edge]

How is it good

The E is useless

And the Q is eh

[blazing pendant]

you have multiple lives and can be immortal for a few seconds

[blazing pendant]

GNG HOW

[lime edge]

If you need to use the E you still lost the fight gang

Everybody know that

[blazing pendant]

gng still doesn’t change the fact it’s good

[lime edge]

It's not good

It's literally just a faster respawn

Oh woah I save 3 seconds so good

[blazing pendant]

your virtually unkillable bro

[lime edge]

Unkillable how? You're literally expected to die

[blazing pendant]

and even so, the Q move is insane

[lime edge]

The fact you come back doesn't change the fact you still die

[blazing pendant]

they don’t gain the death punchs

[lime edge]

And yea Q is aight but most players already know how to counter it

[blazing pendant]

is that jsut running?

[lime edge]

Oh woah you don't get 5 more punch that's so OP

[lime edge]

Or just dodging the punch lol

So yes E is useless and Q is aight

[blazing pendant]

your supposed to use Q when you’re gettjng combo or during a combo

[lime edge]

Which is why it's aight since it can save you

But it's literally the only thing you got

[blazing pendant]

Young one, sometimes even a single thing can be good

just look at kick

tho it needs a rework

[lime edge]

Kick which is mid af

How is a free ability in need of a rework it's not supposed to be more than what it is bro

[blazing pendant]

It makes wall combos better

[blazing pendant]

Not kick

I mean return

[lime edge]

Kick is literally free

[blazing pendant]

kick Alr op it don’t need a rework

Return def does

[lime edge]

Return is what it's supposed to be, it simply isn't enough

Which is why a mastery add to that

[blazing pendant]

It could be so much damn cooler tho

Without the Q carrying it, return is trash

[lime edge]

That's why it need to be better

And a mastery would make it better

[blazing pendant]

So would a rework

[lime edge]

But a rework would change return fundamentally

[blazing pendant]

good

[lime edge]

Didn't you just say it was aight lol

[blazing pendant]

It’s good but needs to be fundamentally fixed

[lime edge]

Except it's literally what it's supposed to be

A return by death

[blazing pendant]

cuz return is mainly carried by Q and your own melee skills

[blazing pendant]

they can make it so your buffed when you return and so you can just spam returns

[lime edge]

Which work somewhere where death is actually a bad thing, except in ability wars respawning isn't exactly that bad

[lime edge]

Great they're 2 of them now