Flower Ability

[vapid thistle]

Same category as tree and mushroom

Obtainment
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Have atleast 5 people use mushroom or tree (You can have both aslong as it's nature based abilities)

DEFAULT FLOWER
Flowers are supportive and have way better healing then the other Nature Abilities

ABILITIES

E Flower Begins releasing beams of sunlight around itself healing teammates and blinding Enemies while also dealing 2 dps
And 1.5 Heal per second to teammates and themselves
10 second cooldown
Lasts 15 seconds

Q
Flower shoots out a vine that slows enemies by 60% for 4 seconds and deals 10 damage
Heals teammates for 30 hp when hitting them
15 second cooldown

Gloom Flower
E Now Slows down enemies and deals 3.5 dps
And darkens screens instead of traditional blinding

Q Doesn't heal nor do damage anymore but it also blinds the target gives only 30% slowness but it lasts 10 seconds

Flower Giant
Identical to the other giants
Vines are bigger and E Is bigger.

Tiny Flower
Half the size of the usual player and has 55 hp and 24 run speed
Doesn't ragdoll when hitting people but still pushes

E REPLACEMENT
Ride
Jump onto a player
Attack to damage them for 10 hp
If you attack them you'll get off of them
You can ride teammates to heal them faster
12 second cooldown

Q is useable while riding

Gardener Flower

New kit

E Ability makes you release 6 seeds that'll grow into Flower Turrets with 20 hp
Seeds can be broken with 15 hp (two hits)

Flower turrets appear after 10 seconds and last for 25 seconds

They shoot seeds that deal 2 damage shooting every second

Same cooldown as default e

Q Summon a big vine with a flower on it with a ladder letting you up

Basically like the tree base although it despawns when you walk away from it
20 second cooldown

Royal Flower
Flower but when you're near them your cooldowns regenerate faster
Although has only 80 hp..

[tight pine]

Sorry for being late with the ss

[vapid thistle]

It's fine

[vapid thistle]

Why are all of my mid suggestions getting attention but this isn't

[surreal vigil]

maybe the flower could be on top of the head

only the petals

and then ur head color is yellow

[uneven marsh]

Is there a change to base hp

[quartz echo]

I think it's 100, as it doesn't mention it changes

[uneven marsh]

Also in my probably incorrect opinion these look just better than tree/mush
the concept itself half invalidates healer
(healer relies on sacrificing their own hp, making them less effective in groups while some of the flowers have AOE healing)

[quartz echo]

except for the big flower

[uneven marsh]

And tree has single player burst healing

And tiny also is kinda just a bit better than healer due to

Larger walkspeed increase

And also being able to just sit on people while regenning

And gardener seems too weak due to 10 second startup

[quartz echo]

i think that some abilities blinding or having an impact on the player camera is a bit too much

[uneven marsh]

But if it’s buffed it might just powercreep thrower tree

Due to automatic firing

Also because it doesn’t say the buff doesn’t stack

5 royal flower mushroom :D

(Minigun)

[quartz echo]

even with the other flowers, the healing ability in groups can regen quickly

[uneven marsh]

Yea

[quartz echo]

at least it can't hide like mushroom or tree

[frozen halo]

the healing ability on default flower (E) is too op cuz of the cooldown

[uneven marsh]

The issue is groups benefit more than they should imo

[frozen halo]

did you mention any sort of slowness to the flower user

when they are using the e abiltiy

[uneven marsh]

1.5 hp PER person

While healer mush

[quartz echo]

the post doesn't even mention that

[uneven marsh]

(Which I assume healing is a 1.5-1 ratio or smth)

[frozen halo]

thats what im saying

[quartz echo]

no walkspeed reduction then

[frozen halo]

oh

thats gonna be annoying

[uneven marsh]

The healer becomes more useless as more people are in the group

[frozen halo]

oh

good

[uneven marsh]

No I mean healer mushroom

Since it sacrifices hp per person when healing

[quartz echo]

what is flowers were weak to mushrooms or trees to make it fairer

and could be attacked by them

[uneven marsh]

Racism be like

But I think the 3 plant type guys are meant to be allies

[frozen halo]

oh

[uneven marsh]

Basically my complaints:

basically just a better healer mushroom due to not sacrificing hp or anything and it’s healing gets better with more people rather than staying the same

Gardener is too weak but if buffed might just be stronger than thrower

Royal can make stuff like mushroom e more spammable

[vapid thistle]

Then buff healer mushroom

And I'll prob make the seeds have more hp

[uneven marsh]

id argue its fine as is

[vapid thistle]

Ok so do i undo the buff

Because i gave them 15 hp

[uneven marsh]

its just the flowers are better

[vapid thistle]

Which is 2 hits

Flowers have no good damage potential unless you use gloom or gardener

[uneven marsh]

healer does 5 damage

[vapid thistle]

They're like THE support plants

[vapid thistle]

Wait healer does less dmg?

[uneven marsh]

yeh

lower damage

lower max hp

but like 1.5x regen

[vapid thistle]

Why???? healer just kinda stinks then

[uneven marsh]

it also doesnt ragdoll

but it still has hitstun

(same applies for q)

[vapid thistle]

Just remove Healing shrooms damage penalty and it's fair

[uneven marsh]

the combo potential on healer is crazy tho

[vapid thistle]

Compared to the flowers

[vapid thistle]

Wait how would it have better combo's

If it doesn't ragdoll

[uneven marsh]

less kb

[vapid thistle]

5 dmg tho

[uneven marsh]

and as said it has hitstun

[uneven marsh]

still has 2 extra WS

[vapid thistle]

Does the hitstun disable abilities

If so you could just

Defend yourself

[uneven marsh]

not stuff like shift no

but

[vapid thistle]

With any ability

[uneven marsh]

if its a defender or smth

and they wanna use crusher/slicer

[vapid thistle]

Defender is either UNBEATABLE or a joke

[uneven marsh]

you can just not get hit

[vapid thistle]

You just gotta use it's counters

[uneven marsh]

by hitting them at the right time

[vapid thistle]

But healers damage potential is situational

[uneven marsh]

same applies for reaper but it has 2 moves that i think bypass the hitstun

[vapid thistle]

So healer just stinks imo

What if healers spores could heal 10 hp to teammates when touched

[uneven marsh]

but my main point is the fact tat this is just better in groups than healer is

[uneven marsh]

it has like a 10 sec cd and is kinda spammable though

[vapid thistle]

Well yeah it's the support class

Mushrooms good for damage
Tree has survivability
And the flowers heal

[vapid thistle]

Then boost it to 13 for healer

[uneven marsh]

id argue mushroom is more survivability

[vapid thistle]

Even then it wouldn't be that good at healing

[vapid thistle]

Tree can self heal and become invincible

[uneven marsh]

mushroom is communism (5 normal mushrooms=5x regen and 5x hp)

tree is capitalism (has burst healing but only for one player at a time)

[vapid thistle]

Also trees tank is absolutely busted

[uneven marsh]

also the invincibility doesnt support teamates

[vapid thistle]

Jump onto high ground then fully heal as tree

[vapid thistle]

Use vine tree then put a mushroom inside your tree and give them fruit

[uneven marsh]

mushroom is more meant for groups than tree ngl

[vapid thistle]

Mushroom can work alone

But uh

[uneven marsh]

then they die fromm any aoe

[vapid thistle]

Only tank works

[vapid thistle]

You can also use the tree base

To protect anyone

[uneven marsh]

nah healer does have the mentioned combos

and 2 more walkspeed

and 1.5x regen

and normal mushroom is pretty balanced

idk what downsides royal has tho

[vapid thistle]

I remember when royal was extremely tanky during the "random class" times

[uneven marsh]

yeah

it basically was just

[vapid thistle]

And had ragdoll immunity

[uneven marsh]

immortal

[vapid thistle]

Until a god punch

Comes

[uneven marsh]

even could resist a hit from GP

[vapid thistle]

Wasn't it still two shot

[uneven marsh]

and everyone acted as a healer toward it

yea but still it tanked a hit

[vapid thistle]

I remember being killed by a god as royal cause of that

Anyways though i should be asking you how you think the flowers would synergize with the other other nature abilities

Instead of talking about the fact healer shroom can combo

[uneven marsh]

i dont play AW much anymore but
seems like a HUGE buff to mushrooms

not healer

mushrooms*

since

[vapid thistle]

Ok but the tree base and gardener

[uneven marsh]

they basically gain max hp per person

[vapid thistle]

Would be absurd

[uneven marsh]

the turrets have a limited duration so youd have to move anyways

[vapid thistle]

Climb ontop and drop them off

[uneven marsh]

oh

[vapid thistle]

Or make a 2 story base with the giant flower thing

[uneven marsh]

theyd stll get hit

since they are either on the tree base or they land on the ground

[vapid thistle]

Oh well still protects the base extremely well

[uneven marsh]

anyways
mushroom (assuming you spam normal ones) gets like 100 effective max hp and +1x regen per mushroom

so with te flowers AOE healing

[vapid thistle]

Wait they get 100 hp per shroom??

[uneven marsh]

youd basically heal that times however many mushrooms ther eare

[uneven marsh]

wlel

i think the base max hp for shroom is 100

they share hp

so if there are 2

both take 5 damage

[vapid thistle]

Still counterable if multiple people fight the shrooms

[uneven marsh]

leaving both at 95

and 95x2=190

[uneven marsh]

yea

the issue is if there are 4 and a flower and they suddenly start healing 6 per second lol

(1.5 per person)

[vapid thistle]

Attack the flower then
And pray you don't get spore spammed

[uneven marsh]

you wil get spore spammed

[vapid thistle]

Then resort to only attacking during spores downtime

[uneven marsh]

either that or the mushrooms form a very high quality wa- oh wait they fell in the void

[vapid thistle]

Wouldn't aoe Abilities Eviscerate shroom hordes

[uneven marsh]

ye

[vapid thistle]

Because all of them get hit

[uneven marsh]

depends how far they are from eachother though

and they still regen for each mushhroom

[vapid thistle]

But don't they split hp

[uneven marsh]

yeah thats what im saying

mushroom 1 regens 2 hp
mushroom 2 regens 2 hp
add 2+2 and theyve regenned 4 hp arleady

cuz they still regen seperately

so they then split

[surreal vigil]

make it so the emote you get from the badge required for flower is Ruby's "Flower Power Dance" from bfdia

[sterile hornet]

Cagney carnation aah

[vapid thistle]

I think the emote being a cup head reference (from the boss who's name i forgot) would be a better idea