Non Mastery Bone Nerf

[storm pilot]

BEFORE ❌ HEAR ME OUT
the damage the bone Q is INSANE, you can deal almost 1/3 of someones health by just using it and throwing that person at the bones.
"just dont move", if you dont move, people punch you and make you move around the blue bones and deal even more damage

i suggest both a damage decrease to it and a possible rework to it

NON MASTERY BONE SMALL BALANCE & REWORK:
E -> same
Q ->

• now spawns blue bones around the player, 16 bones in a 4 by 4 area, all separate.
• if the player walks thru them, it deals ~12.5 dmg every 0.7 second that the player walks by it.
• disappears after 5 seconds and has the same cooldown as before but + 1 second

feedback is appreciated!

i was gonna send reference but no media perms :c

[foggy crown]

Just make it so you take reduce damage when ragdolled

[loud mural]

Q is the blue bones right?

I think blue bones are based on input and not movement in general

I could be wrong however because bone users don't appear as often as some of the other abilities

[flint copper]

i think the blue bones deal damage to players if they have any kind of velocity while inside of the zone

[storm pilot]

yes

[storm pilot]

its just insanely because of the way it is coded

[storm pilot]

ye

[pliant tendon]

no its movement in general

[loud mural]

So if you get punches while inside the bone zone, do you take extra damage while not pressing anything

[pliant tendon]

yea

and also if ur in the air and falling

aka jumping

[loud mural]

Most of the time you'll just fly out of the bone zone though

Unless you get locked into a wall combo

[pliant tendon]

true

it still does a bunch of extra damage tho

[uneven loom]

no this is the non mastered

no idea why you'd nerf bone unmastered even more into obscurity

but hey

[foggy crown]

Unmastered bone blue bones deal guarantee 30 or more after landing a punch

[pliant tendon]

depending on mobility tho

if its like tp or smth they can get out

[storm pilot]

it is literally overpowered

its a guarantee 1/4 or 1/3 of health when using Q and punching

[storm pilot]

yeah

imagine this paired with someone using grapple

[uneven loom]

dude what other abilities do that...

[storm pilot]

excuse me? compare it to any other, it deals more dmg than malice, hivemind Q and E, overcharge, midas E and many others

the damage is also totally unpredictable

[uneven loom]

definitely not overcharge

[storm pilot]

i mean alone

each ability alone

not combo

[uneven loom]

anyways its not even that bad and definitely not the Bone thats deserving of a nerf\

[uneven loom]

25DMG 😢😭😭

honestly i'd guarantee that Malice would deal more

[storm pilot]

sometimes half the health

[uneven loom]

and DEFINITELY more effectively

[storm pilot]

its unpredicatable

[uneven loom]

i dont think we'd need to kill the only use the ability fucking has do we

[storm pilot]

you are literally just hating, the ability does too much damage

it needs a small nerf

[uneven loom]

especially when theres a CERTAIN OTHER BONE that does the exact same thing but better

[storm pilot]

its not balanced

the damage is insane and IMPOSSIBLE TO DODGE

hear me out

[uneven loom]

unmastered bone is balanced though

[storm pilot]

hear me out man

[uneven loom]

then dont get hit

[storm pilot]

what you do

[uneven loom]

and 30DMG wow...

[storm pilot]

when you get surronded by blue bones

[uneven loom]

it requires set up

[storm pilot]

if you walk you get dmg dealt

if you dont walk

they punch you

and you get dmg dealth

apart from being impossible to go away from the damage

[uneven loom]

if you get surrounded by those bones]

[storm pilot]

it has an insane duration

and damage

[uneven loom]

then you fucking deserve to get damaged

[storm pilot]

we need a way to at least escape a few

[uneven loom]

"if i get hit by an attack i dont deserve to be damaged!!"

[storm pilot]

we can't avoid going away from it

apart from running away from bone

LITERALLY

if u get close

[loud mural]

Unmas bone is legit not even problematic tf

[storm pilot]

its guaranted damage

[loud mural]

GO NERF BONE MAS INSTEAD

[uneven loom]

like seriously its a combo that requires set up

deals around 30DMG

[storm pilot]

these people dont know what is balance 💔

[uneven loom]

on a 16s cooldown

[uneven loom]

youre complaining about bone unmastered

I feel like it should stay at least alright

as it still takes a reasonable amount of precision and timing to actually land

like its better if the combo stays good

[storm pilot]

why dont you realise how especific the nerf is? its not even to the mast

its not complaning when its this specific

[uneven loom]

like so many more abilities are problematic

[storm pilot]

this secretly is

i once saw a server

[uneven loom]

THATS WHY

[uneven loom]

yes it is.

[storm pilot]

THE UNMAST VERSION IS NOT BALANCED

[uneven loom]

YES IT IS.

[storm pilot]

THE DMG FOR THE COST IS INSANE

ITS GUARANTEED DMG IF YOU GET CLOSE TO IT

[uneven loom]

16s cooldown + it requires set up

its 30DMG

[storm pilot]

AND ITS UNPREDICTABLE

IT CAN BE 50

[uneven loom]

ITS PREDICTABLE.

[storm pilot]

30-55 DMG GUARANTED

[storm pilot]

THE DAMAGE

NOT THE ABILITY

[uneven loom]

EXXAGERATION MUCH?

[storm pilot]

yes

YES

I ONCE EXPERIENCE IT

I THOUGHT IT WAS A BUG

[loud mural]

dude just

[uneven loom]

ITS FIVE DAMAGE GUARANTEED.

[uneven loom]

then just like play around it

[storm pilot]

IF YOU GET PUNCHED NO

[uneven loom]

IF you get punched.

[storm pilot]

so what?

WAIT

[final fulcrum]

it should def be nerfed

[storm pilot]

so ur point is

IF i cheat

and no one sees

im fine

[loud mural]

if they use blue bones, just get out, you'll barely take any damagr

[final fulcrum]

its just too much guaranteed damage

[uneven loom]

yeah

but thats not my point

[loud mural]

And even if this guy has some kind of vision that I don't

[uneven loom]

even if i agree with it

[storm pilot]

its still cheating

same for this

[loud mural]

There are far more problematic abilities rn

[uneven loom]

whats cheating?!

[loud mural]

Dos, alch ams, ufo mas, rabbit

[storm pilot]

no actually

[uneven loom]

ts does NOT guarantee 30DMG

[storm pilot]

rabbit yes

[loud mural]

I am NOT hearing you out

[storm pilot]

YES

IT IS

[loud mural]

They are problematic and that's that

[uneven loom]

NO IT DOESNT

[storm pilot]

IF THE PERSON USING IT KNOWS HOW TO PLAY

[uneven loom]

WHY WOULD YOU NERF THE UNMASTERED OVER THE MASTERY

[storm pilot]

I SAW A 500K+ PUNCHS DEALING 40 DMG TO ME WITH IT IN LESS THAN A SECOND

NOT MAST

THE UNMAST

[uneven loom]

dude thats an exageration

[storm pilot]

BECAUSE ITS NOT BALANCED

[uneven loom]

it is.

[storm pilot]

NO IT ISN'T

[storm pilot]

it isn't

[uneven loom]

25 every second. and you arent going to be moving for a full second.

its less than jello

and less than the mastered

[storm pilot]

punching:

the other person doing a wall combo:

[uneven loom]

thats pushing them out

[storm pilot]

getting punched into it by other people:

[uneven loom]

thats a wall combo, just dont get wall combo'd

[storm pilot]

getting flinged into it:

[storm pilot]

excuses

literally

[uneven loom]

dont get wall combo'd

[storm pilot]

that is so invalid

ur literally saying "just dont die"

"if you have cancer, just dont have it"

[uneven loom]

ironic.

[storm pilot]

"if you get hit by a car, just avoid it"

[uneven loom]

worst allegory oat

heck actually

YEAH

avoid it

you fucking dumbass

why did you go in the middle of the street

avoid the fucking car

its your mistake that u were hit by the car

and its your mistake that bone mas Q MANAGED to deal 60DMG when it literally deals 25 max

[storm pilot]

what if the person is distracted?

its the cars fault

i mean

technically the persons

[uneven loom]

its your fault for still being in the way

[storm pilot]

but the car could've stopped

[storm pilot]

the car could've stop as well

[uneven loom]

youre still in that situation

yeah bone does not deal 25DMG like ever

[storm pilot]

its both the CAR and PERSONS fault

[uneven loom]

you can still avoid the situation

[storm pilot]

you speak like you never played against a 200k+ using it

[storm pilot]

the car can too

[uneven loom]

I have.

[storm pilot]

this is NOT invalid

[loud mural]

Wht are you talking about cars

[storm pilot]

unmastered?

[uneven loom]

and it does NOT deal 25+ DMG

[storm pilot]

IT DOES

[uneven loom]

yep

[storm pilot]

YOU WERE PLAYING AGAINST A TROLL NOT A TRY HARD

[uneven loom]

i think its a YOU issue

[uneven loom]

stop making excuses

[storm pilot]

NO it ISN'T

[storm pilot]

look whos talking

[uneven loom]

yeah... it is

[uneven loom]

ironic.

not making a single excuse

the ability just isnt that broken

[storm pilot]

you are literally

[uneven loom]

nope

[storm pilot]

^^

excuse

[uneven loom]

i cannot see why this would need a nerf

[storm pilot]

good example

[uneven loom]

no thats a valid point

[storm pilot]

its SMALL nerf

[storm pilot]

it is

[uneven loom]

ik

[uneven loom]

noi

nerfing the DPS would literally kill the ability and remove all reason to ever use it

[storm pilot]

the mast version:

CAKE

IS A GOOD EXAMPLE MAN

[uneven loom]

thats WHY nobody would ever use it

you fucking idiot

[storm pilot]

?????????

everyone would

for the mastery

[uneven loom]

thats the reasoning for them not using the unmastered after the bullshit nerf!

you fucking doint

[storm pilot]

who tf uses non mastery bones having mastery

[storm pilot]

it is SUPPOSED to make it slighlty least used

for example?

[uneven loom]

why would you nerf the unmastered then 😭

[storm pilot]

do you use cake?

with no mastery?

[uneven loom]

theres still REASONS too

[storm pilot]

lets say u have cake mastery

why would u use normal cake

[uneven loom]

ah yes nerf unmastered cake

[storm pilot]

for NOTHING

[storm pilot]

NOT THAT

[uneven loom]

to remove ALL reasons to use it

[storm pilot]

I NEVER MENTIONED NERFING CAKE

[uneven loom]

nerf unmastered cake into being a direct downgrade

[uneven loom]

youre doing that with bone

16DPS is fucking horrible

[storm pilot]

bone is FAIR

because its not balanced

[uneven loom]

no its not.

[storm pilot]

?????

you took that of your ass

[uneven loom]

its literally balanced

[uneven loom]

no

[storm pilot]

yes u did, literally

[uneven loom]

you literally wouldnt even deal 15DMG with punching

[storm pilot]

?? man bone is not supposed to make u deal extra dmg with punch

your just saying non sence

this is nonsense of yours

i can't argue against nonsense

all your argument is invalid

[loud mural]

this sucks

[storm pilot]

your just hating it

admit it

[uneven loom]

only way to realistically get damaged by bone unmastered unless you LITERALLY GET PUSHED INTO IT

[loud mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/430203025659789343/1205781870227488798/watermark.gif

[storm pilot]

im leaving, not worth it to argue with you

[uneven loom]

no I think you're unironically stupid.

[uneven loom]

thank GOD

[loud mural]

Argue with me instead

[storm pilot]

no ty

im tired bc of this guy

[uneven loom]

gameplay wise, its nothing special

[uneven loom]

good riddance

[storm pilot]

0/10 rage bait

[loud mural]

Ufo mas, dos, alch mas and rabbit require a nerf more than unmas bone

[uneven loom]

not even rage baiting.

you're just that dumb.

[storm pilot]

it literally is

[uneven loom]

I think YOURE ragebaiting

[storm pilot]

you are so dumb you dont even realise its rage bait

[storm pilot]

im arguing, ITS DIFFERENT THAN YOU RAGE BAITING WITH BAD ARGUMENTS

[loud mural]

[uneven loom]

tell me the situation where u got dealt 60DMG by a singular bone Q.

time and everything

no lying.

and no exaggerations

[uneven loom]

Yours are some of the worst ive ever seen.

[storm pilot]

not worth it, your too ignorant, your ignorance disgusts me

[uneven loom]

Mine has merit:

It takes skill to actually have all ticks land.
You got wall combo'd because you decided to run straight into a wall
You're typically near the border

[uneven loom]

this is ragebait.

hands down.

you're refusing to tell me HOW you got dealt 60DMG

only two ways

you were near the wall and fucked up

and you escaped the bone field

and fucked up, getting pushed back in like an actual clown

or you unironically got hit by the Q

which is nearly impossible to actually suffer badly from

[pliant tendon]

Mastered q doesn’t linger and can be orange

[uneven loom]

still deals far more damage

and who cares if it lingers if the only way youre getting back in is from your own mistake

[pliant tendon]

True

[storm pilot]

bump

[storm pilot]

bump

[proud lance]

Off topic but,
UFO mas and dos need a rework as they can be majorly annoying but can be shut down by just, dealing with them before they get annoying ("let's just kill the dos before they get 32+ souls" or "actually I do want to ffa in the ffa game; die")

Alch mas got its major nerf (THANK YOU for gutting speed pot) and while still mildly annoying, its not that bad

And rabbit does need a Nerf like every other seasonal ability

[loud mural]

Ufo mas takes to time to ramp what

You can't "deal with ufo mas before they get annoying" if they already spawn in their strongest state

And neither can you kill them before they get into their ufo

[proud lance]

Before assimilating half the server and making the ffa game no longer an ffa game

[loud mural]

No the problem is that it's unreasonably overdefensive

While also being annoying as fuck

[proud lance]

Tractor beam and grav orb is mildly annoying at best and the

[loud mural]

The problem is that they cannot be reasonably killed alone

[proud lance]

While if your not playing gravity god punch, there is little to no way to effectively kill a UFO mas

Low-key the best you can do is ignore them and a lot of the time if they are real annoying people will conspire against them and you will eventually get that grab gp

[loud mural]

So far that has never happened

Nerfing rabbit is correct but every other seasonal ability?

[proud lance]

Back on topic tho,
Unmas bone is annoying as HELL and it's mas just makes it flashier for the gutting of its control. It may just be because I mostly play melee abilities, but I really don't think bone mas has the same zoning potential as unmas. that being said, I don't think nerfing bone q's DPS is the right play (DESTROY E's kb NOW)

[proud lance]

Meant to ping the guy

[loud mural]

You do have a point with nerfing E kb

That being said, we are still not done with the previous topic

[proud lance]

It was off topic....

[loud mural]

There's a reason why I call alch mas the "ability people use when they don't like your existance"

You said alch mas "isn't that bad"

[proud lance]

It takes way too much time for the counter to be "just use a (1) defensive move

[loud mural]

Problem is: you can stack extra pots in case the enemy tries to stall

Plus, not everything has a defensive move

However, alch mas IS the best dos counter rn

[proud lance]

Magnet:

[loud mural]

I refuse to believe that magnet is a better counter than alch mas

Speaking of dos

[proud lance]

It has too much range

[loud mural]

Right now it's a boring stat stick

[proud lance]

Yes but it's not a problem until people ignore them for 3+ mins

[loud mural]

Which also happens to be incredibly unfun to fight

[loud mural]

The problem is, you either hard target it every 2 minutes or they spiral out of control super quickly

[proud lance]

The aforementioned magnet E

[loud mural]

I still refuse to believe that magnet is a better counter than alch mas

Either the dos did something stupid and deserved it

Or I haven't used magnet enough

[proud lance]

Unless the dos is 32+ (I think that's when it 3rd phase is) the dos simply CANT do anything about magnet E unless you turn to quickly and get hit for it

[loud mural]

The dos can simply not approach the magnet, they have good enough speed to outrun everything

Also 3rd phase is 35

[proud lance]

Not being unapproachable is very powerful?!?

Like the only other ability that's close to being unapproachable is gp

[loud mural]

And you have enough speed to outrun them

[proud lance]

And that's just cuz you don't want to gamble with who hits the punch

[loud mural]

Remember, they still have to be close to the void for it to kill

[proud lance]

The silly little punch combo

[loud mural]

What, you think yu can default combo dos into the void

[proud lance]

Also being put infornt of half the server also infavorable for the dos

[loud mural]

Yeah good luck with that