#A discussion on what to do With God punch situation

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lilac summit
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Some people said the god punch are problem And some people says otherwise, For somehow

So. Let's break this down
God punch is an ability that can control it's own range And one of the only ability that could do that without a drawbacks or cooldowns and windup at all, Which isn't really the problem if people will just decided to use ranged abilities and mobility abilities right? Sure that's true but most of the time when the fight disrupted by a god punch users, it wasn't just a "Interruption" It's basically a way to cancelled the fight instantly and maybe even granting one of the sides in that battle turns around quickly like Long Ranged Abilities gaining more cooldown time from the separation of the interruption against some Mid-Close Ranged abilities

You probably see the problem i'm pointing out of why it was quite a problem now here's the solution methods changes from people who Utterly.. willingly made the suggestions about what to do with it And their flaws

Method 1 : Changes it into the powerful punch that are still somehow survivable after got hit once like instead of 100 full damages attack, We say Island range knockback punch that can be stopped if any objects prevent your knockbacks

I couldn't disagreed much from this cause the gamepass itself doesn't specifically said "Kill" Or "One shot" The description has told to be just a very god like power punch, that doesn't means it's instantly kill So i doubts players can take a lawsuits against this

Flaws : Still could result the same fight interruptions problem, Just some situations and some abilities that doesn't have a way to survives back

Method 2 : Reworking it into completely different ability while keeping it's description of the gamepass and it's damages or knockback powers balance to not completely killed a person

This could works very well as a new feature for the game to more contents aswell

Flaws : Some people might not liked it and could be Hard to rebalance due to it's description concerns

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Method 3 : Completely removing it

Solving all the problems it has already caused

Flaws : This is specifically can be very wrong as gamepasses does not refunds the players and could potentially causes a riot and raid aswell, I do not really agreed with this one

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lilac summit
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this isn't a suggestion, just a place to discussing for ideas on what to do with it

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lilac summit
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they technically COULD do something with god punch and Not completely destroying it's original gameplays it already has

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reworking will really works but it has to be the idea that the community itself can agrees and see the fun with

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otherwise people wouldn't just stopped being annoyed by it

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which is valid to be fair

frank apex
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they should just remove god punch since its no fun to be killed countless times if your a beginner or if your using phase 1-2 Devourer of souls

lilac summit
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Was that really worth for you?

glacial marsh
lilac summit
burnt comet
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removing god punch would require a replacement because it's a gamepass people spent money on

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you can't just delete it

lilac summit
burnt comet
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you know that could get the game taken down right

lilac summit
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keeping it's description of the ability isn't

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since the gamepass didn't specifically mentioned if the punch was "one shot" or kill instantly

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it only said of how much powerful it is

burnt comet
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if you just remove the content of a gamepass and don't offer any sort of compensation or alternative content the game can be taken down for "scamming" people
you have to offer something in it's place

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yes the description does allow god punch to be changed but you can't just axe it and then not replace it

lilac summit
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"barely" changes, The punch that doesn't instantly killed the user

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well not technically if your ability didn't have a move for it

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it would just be a very power knockback power like ones in the slap battles

burnt comet
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don't people still complain about those though

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I don't see how making it survivable to like 2 abilities really fixes the issue

lilac summit
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That's all we can do to reduces the issue without risking the community into it directly

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The knockbacks can be 2 times weaker or no idea

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but yeah, at least if something blocked your way, you'll still survived

burnt comet
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either way I don't think God punch is gonna get nerfed considering it's the majority of the game's revenue

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(I think, I could be wrong)

lilac summit
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do they needed that much money exactly? The game stock itself kind of just falling off many years ago

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The only thing they probably spends on was hired staff and some developers on skyrift which has a slower progess recently

burnt comet
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checken is a solo dev as far as I'm concerned, and he needs the money to pay his staff as well as making the game worth his time
I can assure you there's probably other things he could be doing aside from developing AW

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that's not to say he's ONLY doing it for money

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but I can understand if he wants some sort of profit out of it

lilac summit
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well he should have realised that hearing out some problems for just about 30 minutes to 1 hour could've got him into fixing the major problems first instead of doing something else with parts of the game

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Because he could've been a lot more and became successful

burnt comet
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I think he's pretty successful

lilac summit
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depends on how you look at it

burnt comet
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the vast majority of games never see a decent playerbase, let alone thousands of players

lilac summit
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800 players were only in ability wars 2 days ago

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like around 800-1200

burnt comet
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that's still a lot

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and during peak hours there's plenty

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as of rn there's 3.1k players

lilac summit
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and it's gonna going down and down

burnt comet
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that's mostly because of the slow and "boring" updates

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sure god punch may play a role but people like games that update and give them stuff to do

stone parcel
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dear god can you pleasee use a translator

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i had a stroke trying to understand this

lilac summit
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those are amounts of the players that probably didn't experienced getting interrupted by an god punch yet

burnt comet
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and what of it

lilac summit
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what do you mean what of it?

burnt comet
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if god punch wasn't the reason they left why would it matter

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don't get me wrong I hate god punch as much as the next guy but I'm being realistic

lilac summit
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because it holds down the potential numbers it should've had

burnt comet
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at the cost of revenue
however I don't know which one checken values more

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I don't know the guy that well

lilac summit
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if he just use the logic of "Oh no advantage against the money? Pay up then!" then it means he just doesn't cares about the game or community, Just straight money

burnt comet
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I could see that

lilac summit
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i can respects the business man way But viewing as a another customer it probably still looks wrong

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He could've been made much more if he actually was competent when the game still has over 5,000 players

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It's more like abandoned it's game purpose and goal to just milking it

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untill the game can't anymore

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speaking of that

burnt comet
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it is kind of going that way with the events and such
but if he is just in it for the money than god punch isn't getting nerfed or reworked

lilac summit
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he doesn't sounds different from the Pet sim x developer in that way

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Not an insult but he only cared about the problems that made god punch struggled against in-game

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i can literally tells

burnt comet
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I do believe to some extent he does care as a lot of abilities have been nerfed or reworked when they were previously extremely annoying to fight against

lilac summit
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the problem will guaranteed to be fixed if it were about god punch, Or actually that called out and popular

lilac summit
burnt comet
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I don't think nerfing god punch will fix everything like you imply it would

lilac summit
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who wouldn't noticed?

burnt comet
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oh no the mage main is here

fresh light
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I have a method 4. Pretty much the only good option.

Replace the GAMEPASS with something entirely new (something that's still really flashy and eye catching.)
Keep the old God Punch, but make it offsale so only the players who already have it can use it. (Maybe as the mastery of the new gamepass)

fresh light
lilac summit
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Still, if there's a way to bring some players in more like how he milk the jjk fans from gravity mastery update

burnt comet
lilac summit
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he could've do it

lilac summit
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because it just seems like there was only 1 path to choose between both of them

burnt comet
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in a linear progression game like AW, it's incredibly difficult to balance the power difference between new and old players

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you want to be able to give new players a chance, but you want to reward old players with strong and fun to use abilities to reward their dedication

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a good balance between the two is pretty hard

lilac summit
burnt comet
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for god punch?

lilac summit
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the overpowered replacement can backfire heavily more in the same way

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an ability that are overpowered in pvp, Not environment ruins and area controls that intimidating people willing to fight them

lilac summit
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A single target based ability

burnt comet
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I think a decent bandaid fix would be giving god punch a charge up passive where it slowly accumulates damage and knockback over time, eventually reaching the one shot threshold. And whenever you punch someone, it would reset

lilac summit
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well written to it's description, it could be something that can heavily punch out some damages. Like big fists or somewhat a gaint grabbing hands

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we couldn't exactly changing it's description of the gamepass

lilac summit
burnt comet
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I don't play slap battles

lilac summit
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i could tells why but whatever

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it's that one that got more powerful depends on how many times you punch

burnt comet
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not the same but yeah

lilac summit
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to be fair that would've work

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but i don't thinks turning it's passive ability into the cooldowned move would not gonna make some people happy

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or not

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I'm not sure

burnt comet
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I thought you said the integrity of the game mattered more than the people who use god punch

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ofc they're gonna get mad when their instant win button gets neutered

lilac summit
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well i couldn't tells if this "replacement" could be turns out good or bad

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you probably noticed of how many abilities started to get minion summons now?

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well that could be a problem

burnt comet
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I mean it essentially puts a cooldown on god punch but still allows it to be reasonably strong

burnt comet
lilac summit
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fair

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it probably needed some more weaknesses in close range aswell anyways

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but i thinks a versatile rework that can make players use it creatively might be more of a peaceful choice

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maybe

burnt comet
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people buy god punch to kill people when they get mad

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peace is not in the equation

lilac summit
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since they can't be angry of how entirely differently the ability changed into 2-3 moves they would just be confused instead of being mad

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they'll actually tried the ability instead

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it could've been mobility better or more direct damages based in some ranges

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that's just depends though

burnt comet
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I think god punch should be kept as simple as possible

lilac summit
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some people has skill issue

burnt comet
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turning it into a street fighter character wouldn't solve anything other than further polarizing the skilled and the unskilled

lilac summit
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i do thinks your idea was the least risky way

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let's just say, if they tired of their own side effects of their own ability, they'll just switch to something else and get better over time

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maybe that's how they'll quit god punch and see the creative potential of other abilities aswell