Revert The Blood God Nerf

[warm wigeon]

Blood god was never balanced but blood god had it coming tho eventually anyways just a forced 1v1 sorry it had to be dealt with it so annoying but I do agree it is rush a lil bit

[dusk berry]

I'm not saying that they should completely revert the ability. But I do think that it was a lot better than it is now

Or that it was great to begin with

[abstract plover]

It didn't quite level the playing field though, passive abilities from the non blood god user were still active(for example festive's armor), any item they have they can still use(same with any item the blood god got somehow), and the blood god user got a buff to their stats in that dimension

[dusk berry]

Then perhaps they could have made that aspect more fair instead

instead of removing it entirely

[abstract plover]

though some passives are hard if impossible to remove

of course an idea on how to rectify this is to make blood god similar to duels

where both players share an ability

[warm wigeon]

Yea and blood god never made sense like why it called blood god it has nothing to do with blood they should of reworked the abilty into blood related abilty or just called the abilty darkness because it makes more sense

[abstract plover]

(in this case i would say the blood god user copies the ability of the one they took)

[charred inlet]

Atp if you want old blood god, recommend an ability like Duels

Don’t say un-rework blood god

Just no.

No.

Just recommend Duels ability instead

[dusk berry]

Duels already exists

nobody accepts duel requests

[charred inlet]

mkay but I mean an ability.

[warm wigeon]

I forgot duels existed tbh

[dusk berry]

same lol

[abstract plover]

as a seperate gamemode

[dusk berry]

this guy just reminded me ong

[abstract plover]

hell

this could also actually give a use to the badge you now get from duels

the winner badge that's needed for ability warrior

[dusk berry]

I can't remember the last time anyone accepted a duel request

[abstract plover]

isn't it strange that a non ability badge is needed for this?

[dusk berry]

It is

[abstract plover]

i could make a fourth suggestion

for this new blood god idea

but i don't know if i want to juggle 4 suggestions at once

[warm wigeon]

Yea and make it about blood

[abstract plover]

like i already got one for a new ability, for a spectral mastery and for a new "gamemode" that's a tutorial for the game for new players

throwing in an ability rework is not really something i feel up to do

[dusk berry]

I do think that the devs have got to do something about the blood god rework, it just feels lazy and uninspired to me

It doesn't feel like a fun or engaging ability to use to me

[warm wigeon]

Oh yea I saw that one I liked it very big fan of spectral it cool

[abstract plover]

oh wow

right

i forgot that if you edit a message with a link in this server

the message dies

(cough cough shameless plug https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1329893398877962260 cough cough)

[dusk berry]

It's a cool idea I like it

[warm wigeon]

Yes I kinda want overcharge mastery

[dark lodge]

Blame blood god mains who repeatedly target you (thus making the game unplayable cause you get abducted like every 12 seconds)

Sorry, it ain't getting reverted

[abstract plover]

then give protection from that drag for 60 seconds after it's over

[dusk berry]

yes

as a blood god main i agree

or a former blood god main

😢

[abstract plover]

i used blood god for a bit for fun

[dusk berry]

I don't target people though

I just use it for fun

there are way better abilities you could use to target people

[warm wigeon]

Yea I agree bg users are the most biggest targeters and most toxic I always had shade against them

[dark lodge]

Blood god and fun in the same sentence

Impossible

[dusk berry]

I like it

[abstract plover]

But i am more so a guy that just wants to have fun, therefore not really being a sweat(even though i have every ability except for the 11th quest one)

[dusk berry]

It's how i learned the game properly

[abstract plover]

I learned how to play through trial and error and farming

[dusk berry]

I also like bomb and they nerfed that too lol

[abstract plover]

also i still hate how they gutted festive that much, i'm a festive main

[dusk berry]

yes

yes

[dark lodge]

I still haven't forgotten about the time blood gods abused the fact that archer couldn't attack at all in the dimension

[dusk berry]

oh yeah

that was annoying actually

i use defender a lot aswell

[warm wigeon]

Same a lil bit of both 50/50 but mostly fun

[abstract plover]

same with bionic when they didn't have arms

[warm wigeon]

Nah that so evil

[dusk berry]

I don't play much games very much anymore but I have always been fond of joining my friends in a game and playing blood god

[abstract plover]

like i usually like to chill with UFO mastery, engi mastery or just some shenanigans or rng stuff.

[abstract plover]

or we do a little trolling with custom(oil plus soaked syringes)

[dusk berry]

fr

[dark lodge]

Well now archer's volley has 5 effective dps

[dusk berry]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-get-trolled-we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-20266975

nah

[dark lodge]

For reference, midas E with max scaling has 1.95 dps

[dusk berry]

i forgot i didnt have permissions

[thorny robin]

Blood god main problem now, is that, well, it doesnt feels like blood god tbh

[abstract plover]

i have found that midas is a fun ability

[dusk berry]

yeah

[dark lodge]

It is also unbalanced so

[abstract plover]

yeah

[dusk berry]

nah i actually like midas

its fun

[abstract plover]

like what is that range on that hammer

[dark lodge]

Also

[dusk berry]

i like how i deals more damage when you have more punches

[abstract plover]

it is a good god punch counter though

[thorny robin]

The only unbalanced thing in Midas is the hammer, the rest is fine

[graceful python]

IMO, both of these Blood God (previous and current) are bad. Blood Realm basically forces you into a 1v1 that you don't even want to be in, while Bloodshed removes the dimension aspect and is, in simple terms, a worse Freeze.

[dark lodge]

Q gives you ragdoll immunity for a solid like 3 seconds

R has a low cooldown of 9

The scaling

[dusk berry]

yes

both have flaws

but the new one is worse imo

a lot worse

[thorny robin]

I personally dont find a problem with that, its quite easy to kill one if you bait its counter

[abstract plover]

I would assume that this blood god version is a temporary fix for the ability while they look for better alternatives

[thorny robin]

Fr

[abstract plover]

like i assume they don't want to remove any more abilities

[thorny robin]

The devs should just reworked the dimension to make it fun

[dusk berry]

YES

THATS WHAT IM SAYING YES

thats what i want

[abstract plover]

mind control was one of the few that just couldn't be reworked

[thorny robin]

Same

[dusk berry]

not this new shell of an ability

[abstract plover]

do you guys still remember mind control

[graceful python]

or at least make it more voluntary and not force others into a Default 1v1.

[thorny robin]

Never played with it asides in classic mode

[warm wigeon]

Yes I do it was so cool

[thorny robin]

Maybe a gimmick o somethings

[dusk berry]

i dont think voluntary i just think it should be harder to get someone in

[abstract plover]

It was funny

[dusk berry]

the dimension

[abstract plover]

and it still is in classic

i'm glad it's there in classic

[warm wigeon]

But who still remember what shackle is

[abstract plover]

yeah

i do

[dusk berry]

oh

uhh

[abstract plover]

i got golden festive and azure malice(not golden egg tho), i remember both

[dark lodge]

Guys remember when archer was balanced?

[warm wigeon]

Shackle was a good dos counter back then

[graceful python]

i remember when discombobulate was a thing

[abstract plover]

remember when time could be used instantly after spawning

[dusk berry]

i think shackle was just before i joined

i think

[dark lodge]

(The joke is, archer has always always been in an unbalanced state)

[abstract plover]

moai

or something

oh wait that thing

[dusk berry]

ive never been good with archer

[abstract plover]

wait was static removed?

[dusk berry]

wait

was it

ive not seen it for ages

[abstract plover]

thats what i'm asking

i still vividly remember it

wait do you guys remember the other april fools ability

[warm wigeon]

Yes archer was insanely strong especially them head shots

[abstract plover]

like not butter

that other one

i forgot what it was called

i think it was pusher?

[warm wigeon]

Oh yes i remember it was so op

[dark lodge]

Nono you don't understand

[abstract plover]

even with the new cooldown it still is a great dos counter

[dusk berry]

alright well ive thrown my suggestion into the endless void never to be read again
bye i guess (i dont know how this works)

[dark lodge]

Ever since defender was first added, archer has always been overpowered

[abstract plover]

but you haven't

[warm wigeon]

Ohhhh I get it now I never rlly knew I was always the sword main

[abstract plover]

with the archer now needing to charge up, i don't know...

like it used to just be click and shoot

you could spam that thing

[dark lodge]

You think otherwise?

[abstract plover]

baller is definetly still good

no?

[dark lodge]

What about volley

Doing

[abstract plover]

what

[dark lodge]

Oh idk

80 damage

[abstract plover]

well you first have to reach that thing

and with shit aim

[dark lodge]

Takes no effort

[abstract plover]

that i have

yeah i don't know

[dark lodge]

Saying that as an archer main

[abstract plover]

personally i main baller on defender

[dark lodge]

It's quite simple

[dark lodge]

Also, you know how to calculate ability dps right?

Total damage divided by cooldown

For example

Midas E with max scaling does 39 damage with a 20 second cd

So it has 1.95 dps

Archer's volley does 80 total damage with a 16 second cooldown

Giving it an effective dps of 5

[abstract plover]

oh my

that's...

much

[dark lodge]

Fun fact

That's the consequences of removing hitstun

Before volley was able to do THAT, archer's arrows had hitstun

And due to the recent 25% charge speed buff

I could lock the enemy in a hitstun chain

Making their M1s WORTHLESS

[abstract plover]

oh my lord

[dark lodge]

Archer has always been unbalanced

[thorny abyss]

No way he is calling blood god balanced

[dusk berry]

It was a lot more balanced than it is now, now it's just shit

[thorny abyss]

it would be shit for people that dont know how to handle abilities

its like vampire and u can deal a lot of dps

[boreal slate]

That fact this suggestion calls it a nerf is crazy

It's a rework

And a buff

It basically a difference ablity and isn't buggy or annoying to fight against

[abstract plover]

you know usually good suggestions explain in detail?

[dusk berry]

real

[abstract plover]

like this image? this can also for example be used for my suggestions! I yap a whole lot there as well! Though, all that yapping is justified, since i need it to explain the ability thoroughly and for anyone to understand what i mean to say. This person did the same, they wanted to explain their feelings about the blood god nerf and say how it should be reverted and why

and you shouldn't ridicule a person just because they want to explain something

[twilit shadow]

Why did they target you?

[dark lodge]

It's aw players we are talking about

They'll want you to have a miserable time simply because you killed them once

[twilit shadow]

That's why whenever you are in a combat game, avoid attacking unprovoked players.

[twilit shadow]

Archer is also unbalanced so it's fair blood god counters it.

[dark lodge]

???????

[dark lodge]

it wasn't a counter

It was basically just bug abuse

Well now blood god is dead

And volley is still unchanged after over 6 months

[twilit shadow]

Why you confused?

[dark lodge]

It's a combat game

COMBAT

You FIGHT people

The fuck you mean don't fight people unprovoked

The point of the game is to START fights

KILL people

[twilit shadow]

Then why you complain about blood god users targeting? It's a combat game.

[dark lodge]

The problem is that being targeted by a blood god was insufferable

[twilit shadow]

Let me guess, you lost to blood god users?

[dark lodge]

You do not seem to listen

The problem is

Even if you kill them

They'll keep coming back

Dragging you into the biased default 1v1

And chipping your health

And interrupting every single fight

[twilit shadow]

Tank Mushroom counters that.

[dark lodge]

mmmmm yes forced to switch to a specific ability because a blood god user hates you

Can you abandon suggestions already

[twilit shadow]

No

[dark lodge]

then get better takes

Blood god was super hated

It got what it deserved

Etc etc

[twilit shadow]

Doesn't that apply to other abilities too? For example if you're fighting Midas or plasma, you switch to a more powerful ability. If you're fighting an ability with extra health like plant or tank mushroom then you need to switch to an ability that deals higher damage. If you're fighting a dos with many souls, you're forced to use certain abilities and so on.

[dark lodge]

What is this, rock paper scissors?

All abilities need to be viable in their own way

Instead of "just switch to a stronger ability lol"

why would I want to use, say, stone if plasma is way better

[twilit shadow]

Yet this suggestion gets more likes than dislikes.

For a ability that's "super hated"

[dark lodge]

You wanna look at the poll from the blood god feedback post?

[twilit shadow]

Yeah, I get the point, Blood god isn't getting reverted probably.

Though it's still better than current blood god which is just some aoe attack.

[dark lodge]

Also, even if this suggestion has a decently high like:dislike ratio

The blood god removal suggestion also has a high like:dislike ratio

So by that logic

People want neither

[thorny abyss]

My guy is talking everything but the ability rebalancing

[boreal slate]

Iny opino new bg isn't good but doesn't need to be removed like old bg did

[thorny abyss]

New bg is good ngl, it's easy to pin people to the walls

[hearty phoenix]

YES THANK YOU

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

[compact spruce]

Why are we expecting a 7K ability to easily end up every single Dos easily

[visual cairn]

the dimension caused lots of problems bug-wise AND gameplay-wise

it likely won't be reverted

yes it levelled the playing field slightly but a forced 1v1 is not something people particularly liked ingame

[dusk berry]

jesus christ this was not what i meant

[median cairn]

🍅

[dusk berry]

real

[abstract plover]

be glad it still exists??

idk

[dusk berry]

i ain gonna lie

im deleting this

because new blood god

lowkey