#Undo the nerf to bomb mastery E ability

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grave path
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Yes I am aware it just came out

heady mason
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THEY NERFED BOMB MASTERY?

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FUCK YES

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BEST UPDATE

grave path
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Why are you happy

heady mason
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THAT ABILITY WAS FAR FROM FAIR

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cause I hate Bomb Mastery?

grave path
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Its literally one of the best balanced one

heady mason
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half the reason why I use Mage

heady mason
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top of S tier aint balanced

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you dont even need to punch

grave path
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Its nowhere near top of S tier

heady mason
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the cooldowns are too low

grave path
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Its barely top of A tier

heady mason
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wdym

grave path
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The only thing its good at is damage

heady mason
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it deals 70DMG, you are at zero risk from enemy attacks

grave path
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E+Q dont deal that much lol

heady mason
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yes they do

grave path
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Maybe with mine but even then

heady mason
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what are you on

grave path
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Ok so clearly you dont use bomb mastery

heady mason
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they BOTH deal 25DMG with little possibility of missingh\

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its literally just a better Bomb Unmastered

grave path
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25+25=50

heady mason
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which is so lame

heady mason
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you dont need to punch,

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theres no counterplay

grave path
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There are a lot of counterplay

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Atleast against the Q

heady mason
heady mason
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if the bomb mastery has aim

grave path
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The E is kinda harder but the Q is super dodgeable

heady mason
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the Q is dodgeable, but its really inconsistant, and more likely than not, they are gonna use it when you are stunned

grave path
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And nobody realistically getting hit by R except maybe while getting wallcomboed

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R is only there so its not just bomb but better but its kinda useless

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Also werent you banned for pinging everyone how are you here

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Idk how I forgot that

heady mason
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its Bomb but better

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but w a free another 30DMG

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cause using R while they are stunned is guaranteed damage

grave path
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No

heady mason
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im guessing you dont understand how broken bomb mast ACTUALLY wa\

grave path
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The mine take longer to activate than the time they are stun

heady mason
grave path
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Literally nobody getting hit by mine while figthing

grave path
heady mason
grave path
heady mason
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please tell me you dont understand bomb mast without telling me you dont understand it

grave path
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Mine isnt instant activated it take about a second, and stun also take about a second, so no

lucid depot
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what did they do

clever pendant
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what is the e ability again

lucid depot
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i just tried it but i feel no changes

grave path
clever pendant
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lets fucking go they nerfed it

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atleast it has a delay now

grave path
clever pendant
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it used to js snipe you from half across the map

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im so glad they nerfed it

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the range is still massive but man atleast you can get away

grave path
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Ye but the cooldown for it is way to long it ruin any use for pvp

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Nobody gonna stand still for 3s

clever pendant
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maybe make the delay before the explosion 2s and not 3

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but still

lucid depot
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alr I just noticed that

clever pendant
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W nerf

lucid depot
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i think it is fine but the cooldown is way too high

lilac bison
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bomb mas needed this bro trust

drowsy sky
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noooo i cant spam the c4 for unavoidable damage 😡

lucid depot
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it should be halved imo

grave path
drowsy sky
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didnt even attempt to argue it

grave path
drowsy sky
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because you cant argue against it

grave path
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I can but wont because you cant be convinced

drowsy sky
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no you cant

grave path
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Oh I could definitely, against someone who's not you

drowsy sky
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you cant lol

lilac bison
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?

grave path
lilac bison
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i see

grave path
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Let's just say he's a hater of my incredible work fr fr, and my sometimes bad one but lets ignore that

lilac bison
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this post?

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is NOT incredible work

grave path
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I know I know

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It started a while ago

lilac bison
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oh so theres lore

grave path
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Yes lmao

lilac bison
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I'll definitely tune into this later

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gtg

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l

grave path
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Im prob just gonna delete this anyway

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Seem I was wrong

drowsy sky
grave path
drowsy sky
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no i wasnt

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nobody gets mad over discord

grave path
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You quite literally had railgun above engineer and plasma

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And were talking of it as if it was the end of the world

drowsy sky
grave path
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You somehow didnt understand that an ability with a 60s cooldown isnt actually that unfair

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Hopefully you're not that unwise now

drowsy sky
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railgun does not havea 60 sec cooldown

grave path
drowsy sky
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its not even close

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railgun is somewhat fine now only because it cant go through walls

grave path
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It wasnt even THAT bad that it went throught walls

drowsy sky
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you main it so of course its not that bad

grave path
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I play it sometimes but rarely

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My main probably engineer cause its the funniest ability to use

velvet needle
heady mason
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Midas wasnt balanced either

velvet needle
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Absolutely

lilac bison
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Railgun is really bad now imo, they gave it two huge nerfs

trim dagger
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Nah, the mastery was overpowered and you know it.

grave path
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It went from A tier to bottom of B tier and maybe even C tier

trim dagger
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it did more than half your hp with a simple combo, and q was too easy to hit w/ that giant hitbox and 0 windup

lilac bison
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and its obtainment was boring, its just all around boring, basic, and overpowerd

grave path
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Ye it was strong but now its genuinly just not good

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They could have gone for the damage

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Or the cooldown

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But this is just not a good nerf

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Id genuinly rather that bomb do 1 damage than this

lilac bison
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even then

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damage still wouldnt have changed anything

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unless they made the moves do like ten damage its still an issue

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and even if they did that thats thirty essentially free damage from range that has a low cooldown and serves as mobility as well

grave path
lilac bison
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thats not the whole kit you have movement, low cds, area denial, and its really easy to knock ppl off

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its not "decent cds" either that thing gos brrrrrrr

grave path
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The cd are like 15s for everything its not that low but it could be higher

lilac bison
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even if it was twenty seconds

grave path
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Anything else than this current nerf would work

lilac bison
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it would still suck

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and unless you have range or GREAT mobility you basically cant fight it

grave path
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Literally any ability can fight it decently well once you delt with E

lilac bison
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no?

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if you can theyre playing wrong

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or at least sub-optimally

grave path
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Running away isnt playing optimally lol

lilac bison
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honestly with this

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it kinda is

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and they can still like

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punch

grave path
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Not really, the C4 is the only true range aspect of it

lilac bison
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this still doesnt discredit that its difficult to fight nonetheless

grave path
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Its really not that hard to get close-quarter with bomb, and once you are close you just gotta play it smart

lilac bison
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and "getting past the c4" is already rlly annoying

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again if they just play optimally just closing the distance isnt enough

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you said it yourself that the c4 is the only "true range" aspect of it

grave path
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I feel like your version of playing optimally is literally just spamming C4 from as far away as possible

heavy garnet
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Yo can this hit 15 dislikes u can do it guys

lilac bison
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its not

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its just being able to somewhat m1

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and again

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you still havent disproved my core statemetns

grave path
lilac bison
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you cant m1 them if they ragdoll you first

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or just void you

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another thing its pretty decent at doing

grave path
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Im not gonna argue thats its not strong its a strong ability, its just that this nerf isnt a good nerf

lilac bison
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It’s fine

molten cloud
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i look back in this server for a second and i see that the bad opinion guy is still making bad opinions

lilac bison
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If anything it does nothing on its own

molten cloud
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what a surprise

grave path
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This nerf keep all the problem bomb had, same damage, same cooldown, same capacity of everything you listed

lilac bison
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It can still stick to you 💀

grave path
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Ok maybe once

molten cloud
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bomb users when they can’t instantly do a 70 damage combo

grave path
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But its unlikely its the same we are thinking about

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Again, nerfing the damage would be fine, this literally just remove any utility E had

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Except movement ig

molten cloud
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Granted this requires skill

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Which

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yknow

grave path
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Except there isnt really any times were its the better idea to just stick a bomb at someone

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Sure if I end up in a fight then yea ill do it

molten cloud
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Hover precisely over the enemy and press E

balmy sparrow
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bomb mastery is very anoying i say we make it so it was like when it first came out 👍

grave path
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Ye, except thats just what mine was for

lilac bison
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I think the entire thing sucks

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It’s just awful to fight

grave path
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Ye well expect a decrease in bomb user ngl idk if its gonna be used much now lol

lilac bison
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That is the good ending

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Nah

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TRUE ending

grave path
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Not really

molten cloud
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damage values and cooldown were completely unchanged

grave path
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It wasnt that much used anyway

molten cloud
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literally all they did was make it so you cant get telefragged by a 20 dmg explosion

grave path
lilac bison
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Unless it’s literally NEVER used

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It being rare doesn’t make it okay

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You don’t see stardust much but if it was as common as freeze it would be a game killer

grave path
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Eh not really

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It would be annoying for a time

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But people would adapt

lilac bison
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You can’t unless you just change abilities

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I think you have this misconception that you can just fox your way out of some situations

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You can’t if your ability or the environment won’t let you

grave path
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Some abilities arent good against some others thats not gamebreaking

lilac bison
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Never said it was

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It’s just that a LOT of abilities still don’t enjoy fighting bomb at all

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Cuz most range is “mid-range”

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Which means that Bomb can still put belt to ass on you

grave path
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Ye but if its in M1 distance then just do something about it

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Or have an ability that can keep it somewhat away

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I wouldnt say theres alot of abilities that are good against bomb, but not all matchups are that bad

lilac bison
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Again bomb can just reposition itself and fling you at the same time

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It can do literally everything

grave path
lilac bison
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They fling themselves with all of their explosions (I thought) and even then, not every ability has a movement move

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Or at least a good one

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And you need a GREAT one to instantly close the gap

grave path
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I mean realistically there atleast 20-30 abilities that could do it fast

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There alot of movement tech

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And straight up movement

lilac bison
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That’s a really bad exaggeration

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And you either need just an instant tp or a movement tool combined with an attack

grave path
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I mean, not really. Just count how many abilities actually can move fast

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Just close the gap and press M1

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I feel like you're acting as if its somehow harder than that

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And thats assuming you dont have range of your own

lilac bison
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“Just close the gap”

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Again

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You can’t just walk head on

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And if they’re smart you can’t bait out their moves

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You literally need to stun them or tp to them to guarantee a chance to capitalize off of it

grave path
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And no not all ability can tp across the map to get you

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But just dodging and progressivly closing it work too

lilac bison
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Again

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You have to be fighting bomb users that LET you get close

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If you bring aggro to them

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They somewhat influence if not entirely if you can push them

grave path
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I mean yea its true its gonna be hard to catch up if they are straight just running away

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But they never do

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No one ever do

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Rarely

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I wont say never cause ofc some do

lilac bison
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Which reinforces my point again

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Ultimately the concept of an ability that has three large explosions with good damage and knockback with two being a remote detonation and they provide movement is naturally a bother

slow fossil
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Bomb now might be even stronger just because you can place c4 on yourself which can be used to dash, high jump, combo break ect. so undo the change and nerf explosion radius or projectile speed instead

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If you feel like it's too strong

raven gate
slow fossil
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and sometimes it didn't even push you