Issues with nerfing stuff

[dusk wind]

ok there are a bunch of things wrong with this

First of all army mastery had the problem of "press one button to win"

[tender eagle]

but it wasnt exactly too difficult to counter?

[dusk wind]

Magnet mastery was also obnoxuous to fight

[tender eagle]

ok ig there maybe

[dusk wind]

Counter it with teleport

Army mas can just send their minions while relaxing somewhere else

[tender eagle]

but army mastery was pretty counterable, and it took a while to build it up, during which the mas can get targeted ez

[dusk wind]

And noe you have a mob that will bite your toes off

And the army mas himself

Doesn't even need to lift a finger

[dusk wind]

Stage 2 is the best one btw

And that's only 1 kill away

Stages 4 and 5 miss like 80% of all their shots

And stage 3 is a mix of stages 1-2 and 4-5

Which isn't exactly bad but like

Stages 1-2 are simply better

[tender eagle]

but like gravity counters it insanely well, you can kill the entire army ez and js get punches on the guy

[tender eagle]

stage 2 had unfairly high damage but thats js a damage nerf not entirely rework the targeting

[dusk wind]

Let me make it clear for you

Army mastery

Could place a marker on you

That lasts indefinitely

Aka

Never wears off unless they switch targets

[tender eagle]

ur not accounting the fact that the instant an army mastery spawned in, theyd get farmed for kills for masteries

[dusk wind]

The minions respawn in like 5 seconds

[tender eagle]

i only got stage 5 a couple times

and i played it a lot

and in general i would js get targeted from the beginning

[dusk wind]

Army mastery send their angry mod while chilling on a tree

And all of a sudden game becomes unfun

[steel relic]

god forbid army mas teams with base portal

or alch mas

[dusk wind]

Or anything that SLOWS

[steel relic]

like one out of every three abilities lmfao

(a lot)

[dusk wind]

Yeah guys army mas was so fair and balanced!

I just send my angry mob and relax in the back

Life's so good

[tender eagle]

noboyd would let u relax bro

[dusk wind]

Amirite

[tender eagle]

you would get hunted down

army targets one person

[dusk wind]

People don't give a fuck unless they are on the receiving end

Camp on a tree

Who tf would go on a tree because someone is using army mas

[tender eagle]

all it takes is some grumpy guy wiht something with some range

[dusk wind]

They are better off harassing like a dos or a hive

[tender eagle]

kill them once thye hunt you down until your dead

[dusk wind]

Not someone who is sending an angry mob of npcs

[dusk wind]

Your minions will tear them apart

[tender eagle]

just get something with some range or a way to move away

[marble quartz]

Did they revert the targeting change!??

[dusk wind]

No

[marble quartz]

Why are we arguing about this

[dusk wind]

But this guy is trying to justify it

[steel relic]

😭

[dusk wind]

I am not bothered to argue about army mas

[steel relic]

old army mas was a pain to fight under any circumstance

[marble quartz]

The old targeting system was boring, overpowered, and noskill

[dusk wind]

Ping me if defender mas gets mentioned

[marble quartz]

I think that's obvious

[tender eagle]

why do u guys js ignore the fact tht you get hunted down

by multiple people

[marble quartz]

Being targeted ain't a valid argument

[tender eagle]

you spawn in you would get hunted down because you get really strong later on

[steel relic]

this is the same argument unmastered ufo has

[marble quartz]

I'm not arguing this

[tender eagle]

its like dos the number of ppl who target dos even at 0 souls

[steel relic]

"but they target you bro"

[marble quartz]

I'll leave a dislike and move in with my day

[steel relic]

does not excuse its strength

[marble quartz]

Bye!!!

[tender eagle]

later on it becomes really op yes

[coarse night]

i think we should nerf every ability in the game

[tawdry geyser]

Tbh these examples sucks.

With Army mastery i semi afk grind like 200k punches

[steel relic]

nerf default 🤑

[coarse night]

punching is too strong to be honest!

[tawdry geyser]

Nerf spectator

[tender eagle]

ill js delete this breh i dont feel like arguing

[coarse night]

ok to be fair

[marble quartz]

Bro got rehired 😭

[steel relic]

welcome to suggestions

[tender eagle]

i cant delete it :((

[coarse night]

army mastery is one of the worst choices for an example of something that did not need a nerf

it's like STILL currently really awful to fight

[tender eagle]

not really

its not that bad to fihgt

[marble quartz]

The nature of NPC spam makes army either awful or OP with no in between

[tender eagle]

why am i arguing again im dum'

[steel relic]

'i dont feel like arguing'
argues

[coarse night]

it can just be a debate

or a discussion

that's why chatting is enabled on the forum

but imo the npcs have insane hitboxes and just keep respawning, so ur opponent can stay passive and let them do all the work till you die

[marble quartz]

Only real counter is aoe or mobility

[coarse night]

precisely

just because something has a counter doesn't mean it is bad

[dusk wind]

Army mas needs a rebalance anyway

[marble quartz]

Obviously

[dusk wind]

The minions respawn too quickly

[coarse night]

cus you have to specifically grab that counter TO fight it which is pretty inconvenient

[dusk wind]

Stages 1-2 are better than 4-5

You know the issues

[coarse night]

yeah

[marble quartz]

Should be the other way around tbh

[coarse night]

anyways i dont really know what other abilities that got nerfs didn't need nerfs

[dusk wind]

Unmas and mas ufo FORCE you to use a counter

[coarse night]

brickbattler and spring were and ARE absolutely necessary

[coarse night]

yeah mastered ufo really pisses me off

[dusk wind]

Me too

Also midas

[tender eagle]

i hate midas so much holy

[marble quartz]

It has no combat potential besides alien minions wym 😭

[tender eagle]

fr what did ufo mas do

[dusk wind]

Do not make me explain

[coarse night]

wat it's just the grabbing

[marble quartz]

Well ig you can set people on fire and stuff

[tender eagle]

does half health at best

[marble quartz]

But like they'll break out b4 they die

[dusk wind]

Abduct, use 2 buttons to wipe half of their health and then combo them to death

[coarse night]

i dont want to be grabbed it's like worse than bg taking me to a dimension

dont want to be an alien either

[dusk wind]

Blood god but the enemy starts with 50 less health

[marble quartz]

They'd escape by then

[dusk wind]

Outstanding 🔥

[dusk wind]

You have a cage

Then you press 2 buttons

[tender eagle]

they can break it

[marble quartz]

That can be broken

[dusk wind]

Fire and electricity

While they are getting fried

[marble quartz]

And electrocute disables cage iirc

[dusk wind]

You ppsitjon yourself however you want

Then you beat the shit out of them

[coarse night]

the point isn't so much the damage or combo potential it's just wasted time and is irritating to be grabbed in the first place

[dusk wind]

No it does not

[marble quartz]

Weird

[dusk wind]

Also the ugly button

[marble quartz]

I thought it did

[dusk wind]

The alien button

[coarse night]

the user of the ufo would have to be pretty ass at the game to let you escape from the beam

[dusk wind]

I call it the ugly button

[coarse night]

yea i dont like being turned into an alien

[dusk wind]

It makes you look ugly

Also

[marble quartz]

It's just cosmetic I see no reason to conplain

[dusk wind]

Don't get me started on the

Ufo mas + gp

Combo

[marble quartz]

All teaming is op

That's not an ability specific problem

[dusk wind]

Unavoidable abduction beam

[last hill]

Why is there a war going on here 😭

[dusk wind]

Mixed with a literal instakill

[marble quartz]

Idk

[dusk wind]

= beam that instakills

[marble quartz]

I probably shouldn't be arguing

[marble quartz]

Bc this is the internet

[last hill]

fair

[marble quartz]

Kindness is almost completely forbidden here

Which is bad

[last hill]

doesnt mean you cant be kind

[marble quartz]

But I can't force people to be nice

[marble quartz]

True

[dusk wind]

One of the reasons I am talking here is because I want an excuse to scream at people

[marble quartz]

I have an opinion that y'all don't like and I will not argue it. End of story. Forgive me for meaninglessly arguing.

[last hill]

nahh thats relatable

[marble quartz]

Not really a good thing to do

[dusk wind]

Look at my name

Read it

[marble quartz]

No one likes a person who does nothing but argue and be selfish

[last hill]

no honestly, having differing opinions is fine, but its how people discuss them

[marble quartz]

Doesn't justify anything

[last hill]

if you get angry about people not like your opinion then you shouldnt be talking about your opinion, but if you can discuss it civilly, then you're all good

[marble quartz]

What would happen if I said I think DOS is fun and well made

[last hill]

im too bad at fighting games to have an opinion on that

[dusk wind]

It isn't

[marble quartz]

Ok

[dusk wind]

Well I mean it is fun but it's just a stat stick

In a game called "ability wars"

[marble quartz]

I like funny stat buffs

[last hill]

i had to get someone to gift me their souls to get 300 souls 😭

[marble quartz]

Tbf you do get moves at some phases

[last hill]

thats how bad I am at these types of games

i still play them tho because I like to suffer

[marble quartz]

Like 70, (formerly) 150, 200, and literally 5 or 6 moves at 300

[dusk wind]

You mostly rely on your raw stats

Dos should sacrifice some of it's stats in exchange for more abilities

[marble quartz]

True

[dusk wind]

But currently that's the least of out concern

[marble quartz]

Well 300 sacrwrices a lot of its speed for like 6 moves and an epic passive

Ok I'ma go bye

Wait how's the defender mastery rework suggestion going

[last hill]

have a good day

[dusk wind]

Slicer is pretty much finished

[last hill]

dont you need ufo mastery to unlock bind?

[dusk wind]

That's an exception because that's a secret ability

Well more like "secret", due to youtube guides, everyone and their mother knows about day of deus

[marble quartz]

Peak

Are you still considering my ideas for archer

Wait what if instead of combining crossbow + arrow storm path

[bronze urchin]

Why is the orginal message deleted?

[marble quartz]

Combine speed of light + arrow storm path

[marble quartz]

Cuz suggestion was bad

[bronze urchin]

What made it so bad?

[marble quartz]

Didn't give much detail and basically just s giant complaint

Giant complaint about how nerfing stuff is bad

It can be some times

But nerfing is sometimes needed

[bronze urchin]

No

[marble quartz]

Without nerfing, a power creep happens

[marble quartz]

It's sarcasm

[coarse night]

just because you said that im gonna go to checken and get everything nerfed to 0.5x its original power

you dare defy me?

No, sir.

[marble quartz]

Can we not ragebait 12 year olds please

[bronze urchin]

Rage bait is getting old

Try something better

[marble quartz]

Rage bait is evil!!!

[coarse night]

ragebait?

[marble quartz]

Yes

[bronze urchin]

Agree

[coarse night]

im merely stating something in response to your message

ragebait i do not, nerf i shall.

[marble quartz]

And so is insulting people (including putting clown reactions on people's messages)

[dusk wind]

Great, nerf everything (that deserves it)

[bronze urchin]

That might be true.

[bronze urchin]

Sorry

[marble quartz]

I'm not the victim nor God so I can't forgive you for it, but I will say that I hope they forgive you.

[bronze urchin]

So you really consider putting clown emotes an evil thing?

I thought it's harmless.

[marble quartz]

Well it's a form of insulting

You are calling them a clown (aka a fool)

And insults are evil

[marble quartz]

Can you remember a time when insults actually did anything good?

[marble quartz]

Scamming is a great evil.