TIME MASTERY (read first paragraph) goal- 25 likes

[wet oasis]

let’s face it, time is annoying. the numerous attempts at nerfs failed.
its frankly an ability we want people to stop using.
but what if there was a way to make that happen?

by making a mastery that DOES NOT create any sort of time freeze, people will stop using the unmastered, annoying time to use the new, actually balanced time mastery.

huge thanks to Bubz for the original idea. don’t know where you are, but want you back.

TLDR: a large hourglass that you must defend. creates a zone that provides YOU buffs and YOUR ENEMIES nerfs. the numerous things you can do with this mastery are upgradable by a skill tree!

E ABILITY
can only be used every 45 seconds to move your hourglass base.
spawns an hourglass about 3x the size of the player. this hourglass creates a spherical zone (ABOUT THE SIZE OF JELLO’S BLOB) that will cause any enemies inside it to have -4 walkspeed.
this hourglass will shatter if punched 10 times. defend it! (it can heal)
to prevent against people spamming range attacks, projectiles will be at matrix-levels of slowness when entering the hourglass zone.

Q ABILITY
**teleport back to where you were 10 seconds ago. **
(can be changed using skill tree)

R ABILITY
open up your magnificent skill tree!
the “currency” used to buy upgrades on this skill tree are “ticks”
every 5 second, you will get one tick. you hourglass will make a ticking noise to let you know, and a small ui at the bottom of you screen will show you tick amount.
the whole layout is extremely similar to defender mas.
check comments to see what its upgrades will do.

i hope it’s obvious what my intent here is. by making fun a mastery for time, people will stop using unmastered time! please consider this, and leave a like. thanks everyone!
-prop

SKILL TREE
this single ginormous skill tree will have numerous branches that will apply upgrades/reworks to things such as:
hourglass zone SIZE
hourglass zone SLOWNESS
buffs to Q ability
rework to Q ability
create buffs to user while in hourglass zone
hourglass HEALTH
hourglass DEFENSES (traps, alarms, etc)
new player/hourglass passives
increase amount of ticks per second

OBTAINMENT
if you go into the green hill while in the brickbattler waves gamemode, you will find a portal which leads to sword fight on the heights.
with the dodge ability from the 11th quest making a return, you must use your swift roll and powerful punches to kill 5 sword bearing specialists of increasing difficulty, only meters away from plummeting to your death…

.

[cursive talon]

remove time

[wet oasis]

damn your fast 😭

arr what should the goal be

TIME MASTERY (read first paragraph) goal- 25 likes

25!

[clever crest]

What about a q move upgrades that make other people go back in time

[wet oasis]

not sure yet

what the q upgrades would be

added new obtainment section

[green pine]

What if you just upgrade hourglass size so you have buffs everywhere

Then keep leveling up slowness

Then nobody can move… anywhere

[wet oasis]

i mean considering it’s a skill tree where you can only upgrade a select thing a select amount of times

it shouldn’t be a problem

[fickle igloo]

holy shit

this is a lot

😭

ok loo

look

controversial topic, but i dont think abilities should confine you

forcing yourself into a certain radius to make use of ur abilities feels so situational

cuz most abilities have some sort of ranged ability that can just constantly pick at you from afar

defender mastery archer is a great example of this

the obtainment feels a bit unrelated

too

[ionic gorge]

I don't feel like reading

[fickle igloo]

i think this suggestion as of right now is a 3/10 for me

Q is a good idea, (even though its literally the same as the current time q but instant)

TLDR: i don't think an ability should force you into a tower defense simulator in order to function properly

[ionic gorge]

Holy cow E is ass

[fickle igloo]

this was a cool idea, but it just doesn't seem realistic

[wet oasis]

read the part where the q is changed through the skill tree

it’s similar to unmastered time cuz it will get upgraded as you play

[wet oasis]

and for YOU, that’s the point

it’s shit at first

[fickle igloo]

this is just defender mastery but tower defense simulator

[wet oasis]

and gets better

[fickle igloo]

im sorry but u gotta come up with something that actually is realistic

[green pine]

Why not make q function as e until the hourglass is placed

[wet oasis]

brother what do you have against td

[green pine]

Which would also make q, e and r, q

[fickle igloo]

nothing, but making it into td just makes it unrealistic

[wet oasis]

wtf do you mean unrealistic

[fickle igloo]

whos stopping me from picking some ranged ability like stardust and archer

and just beaming through this

[wet oasis]

genuine question

[fickle igloo]

thats all i have to say

[green pine]

You need to be in the brickbattler wave thing

[fickle igloo]

3/10 ability

only q was cool

everything else just seems excessive

[wet oasis]

“the hourglass will have to be punched ten times to break”

PUNCHED

are you illiterate

[green pine]

Wait are you saying to get stardust to fight the time user or stardust to do the tower defense?!v

[wet oasis]

🤷‍♂️ ask rob he the one tweakin

[fickle igloo]

fight the time user

who said im tryna break the hourglass

💀

why would I step inside a zone that makes me slower

thats just a dumb idea

just stay out of the radius and fight from afar and the time user is a sitting duck

[green pine]

They can get out the sphere btw

[fickle igloo]

then they lose everything

they become a useless default

if they leave that sphere

[green pine]

Q:

[fickle igloo]

exactly my point

[wet oasis]

bro you act like you made this suggestion

[fickle igloo]

i read what i read

[wet oasis]

why the fuck do you think i said there’s a skill tree?

[fickle igloo]

am i wrong for being realistic?

[silver verge]

He ain’t tweaking this is just a bad stalling ability which devs are against

[fickle igloo]

^^^^^^

[silver verge]

No one’s gonna wanna enter this and get -4 speed

[fickle igloo]

this is even MORE to why this ability is a bad idea

[green pine]

Wait isn’t this kinda just over complicated spectral now that I think about it

[fickle igloo]

EXACTLY

LMAOO

[wet oasis]

the whole point is an alternative way to make time an unused ability

[fickle igloo]

yo this guy is real

[wet oasis]

cuz the devs ain’t ever gonna do shit abt it

[fickle igloo]

the current time is fine, i don't think it needs any changes

as long as ur ready to react to it

[wet oasis]

it is a oneshot if you are in the time zone

[green pine]

I think time should only do damage tbh

[fickle igloo]

you can easily escape it

[wet oasis]

so fun.

[fickle igloo]

then dont be in the timezone lol

stay out of range

or

EVEN BETTER

[wet oasis]

that’s like saying “winning is easy, just don’t lose”

[fickle igloo]

use abilities like DEFLECT and BARRIER where they are IMMUNE to time stop

u could also just use movement abilities

[green pine]

If they nerfed time range, it would be manage able

[fickle igloo]

to get out of the radius or just go high enough to where they cant reach you

[wet oasis]

also what is it with you and range camping

[green pine]

The range makes it impossible to walk away from the range mid combat

[fickle igloo]

are u just gonna ignore

what im saying

[wet oasis]

yeah if you punch time user and they use e, it’s inescapable

[wet oasis]

it’s kinda bs so yeah 🤷

“time is easy to escape- just never punch a tiem user again!”

[fickle igloo]

thats why you always save abilities?!

hello

what are you doing

the moment u SEE a time user pop their time stop, either use an movement ability like teleportation to get out

[green pine]

Is new barrier immune to time stop too?

[wet oasis]

not all abilities are movement yk

[fickle igloo]

yeah

[green pine]

Even if the time is in range

[fickle igloo]

you know whats funny

you know why barrier E got reworked?

its so it prevents stalling

[wet oasis]

hilarious.

[silver verge]

This really is just defender mastery but you can’t move around

[wet oasis]

man dec idk why u think you know exactly how the ability would be

[fickle igloo]

idk why people think time is so op

theres so many ways to counter it

[wet oasis]

i don’t even know what to say to this

[green pine]

If they nerfed radius it would be manageable from a default point of view

[wet oasis]

i want to be able to use the ability i want without having to worry about being oneshotted

[fickle igloo]

thats fair

[silver verge]

This sounds decent on paper but like there are so many counters to this not to mention why would you wanna be stuck in an area anywyas

What if no one enters

[wet oasis]

i’m not gonna fucking main an ability because it counters time

[fickle igloo]

most abilities have ways to counter time

[wet oasis]

my main, engineer, i love building ground bases

[fickle igloo]

.

[green pine]

You know what could kinda fix this, making e have a 30ish second cooldown so you can move your zone around, and not stall in one spot the whole time

[fickle igloo]

engineer literally can escape time

[wet oasis]

if a time comes, ima screwed

[fickle igloo]

by just building up with trees WHAT

😭

[green pine]

Like spectral

But better

[wet oasis]

I USE TREES FOR MY BASE

[fickle igloo]

@silver verge bros never seen a battle engineer

[silver verge]

How do you die to time then

What

[fickle igloo]

then make a plane???

[green pine]

Or place a fruit launcher in a good enough place to protect you

[fickle igloo]

u could literally just place 1 floor and a propellar and a seat in less than a second

[wet oasis]

oh yeah in the three seconds windup time has

[fickle igloo]

and escape the time user

[silver verge]

You could also just spam balloons and jump so high they can’t reach you

[green pine]

IT TAKES HALF A SECOND

[fickle igloo]

OR EVEN BETTER just have a teleport set up somewhere so you can tp out???

[silver verge]

Or the good old seat balloon trick

[fickle igloo]

engineer is the most versatile ability

[wet oasis]

0.5 seconds to make a plane is crazy 😭

[fickle igloo]

just place a seat and balloons??/

[green pine]

Plank, propeller, seat

It’s that easy

[wet oasis]

sorry but ur not that guy hent

your just not

[silver verge]

You don’t even gotta be a battle engineer you shouldn’t even be dying to time anyways

[green pine]

Placing 3 things atop each other doesn’t take that long

[fickle igloo]

exactlyy

[silver verge]

Bro you could use a speed pad…

[wet oasis]

glitched rn actually

i was thinking that would work

[fickle igloo]

theres so many ways to use engineer and counter time

[green pine]

Also wouldn’t teleporters also work

Like easily

[wet oasis]

tbh speed pads been glitched for ages

[silver verge]

Would help yeah

[wet oasis]

my to goes directly to my base

[fickle igloo]

the only ability i can think of that can't counter time is bone mastery

[silver verge]

Bro hasn’t played in months

[wet oasis]

tho i could place one on the lobby or smth to escape

[green pine]

Still out of the time zone

[fickle igloo]

and thats if u get caught

nah dec what happens if we bring back global time

😭

[wet oasis]

not if they go to my base while i’m in it

which is were i usually am?

[fickle igloo]

remember when time was global\

where u could freeze the entire world

[silver verge]

Even then you can just

[green pine]

Is your base perchance a slybase?

[silver verge]

Stack trees and jump and then delete them

[fickle igloo]

make distance

[wet oasis]

no i don’t like those

attracts gravity

[green pine]

..

Then a fruit launcher would help

[wet oasis]

i get targeted a shitload

[fickle igloo]

you can easily counter gravity users by just building out of the range of it what

[green pine]

Place one and you kinda have a force field

Kinda

[wet oasis]

where would i put that

[green pine]

Fruits bouce

[silver verge]

He doesn’t know the secret techniques

[fickle igloo]

theres a good distance to where gravity users even on the lobby can't reach you whar

[green pine]

Legit like anywhere

[fickle igloo]

😭

[green pine]

Fruits bounce

[fickle igloo]

how many punches does this guy have

no way hes over 100k

[wet oasis]

i have 270k no multiplyers

[fickle igloo]

oh god

[wet oasis]

o n g

[fickle igloo]

270k and bro still doesnt know how to counter time

oh nah

ur cooked

[wet oasis]

i do, i simply like to be able to use abilities that can’t counter time

what’s the problem with that

[green pine]

So default and maybe combo/reaper

[wet oasis]

my first thought when i use an ability aint “ooOoOh can this counter time?”

[green pine]

Maybe some other ones that don’t counter

Most abilities have some versatility in countering time

Even speed orb is good against it

[wet oasis]

it’s not enough

i’ve tried it

if a time user uses e while punching, speed orb won’t help you enough to save you

[green pine]

Or, here me out on this counter

Jump on the time users head during wind up

Gets you high enough they can’t punch you

[wet oasis]

and then jump as high as you can

holy shi that could work

[green pine]

Yeah

It does

I’ve used it multiple tomes

[wet oasis]

you wouldn’t even need an ability

[green pine]

…

You didn’t know that?!?

That’s like time countering 101

[wet oasis]

it would only work if the time user was at the highest jumping while winding up

[green pine]

Nah

It works if they are on the floor too

[wet oasis]

no, the punch hitbox reaches your feet

[green pine]

Only tricky part to the trick is not having to high ping too not perform it

[green pine]

Yeah, any part of the player is a hit box that can be hit

But the punch hit box doesn’t extend high enough to hit at max jump if they are on the floor

[ruby sapphire]

And the biggest counter too

That thing's dps is monstrous

[ruby sapphire]

Ok genuenly speaking

This gets countered SO HARD by ranged abilities

Because you are not forced to destroy the hourglass to kill the time user

You can just beam him from afar with archer or something

What are they gonna do with their -4 speed zone if I just don't enter it

Also high knockback abilities also destroy this

[vital lichen]

can we just remove or rework Time? It looks so outdated and boring. No one but annoying newbies using it. Seriously, this is the only ability that will make the game better after its removal.

haha funni aoe stun that cant be escaped if used as a sneak attack

[ruby sapphire]

Also time is not strong it's just annoying as hell

[vital lichen]

I dont understand why Time is still in the game

who is using it? 1% of playerbase?

[wet oasis]

since you actually gave constructive criticism

(thanks)

what if it slowed projectiles when they hit the time field

by like a lot

[wet oasis]

also fr

[green pine]

Just a reminder this is always an option to fix the whole stalling part

[wet oasis]

kinda true, ig i can add this in

i’d say 45 seconds would be balanced

for now

[wet oasis]

k, i have added the ability to reposition, and also a counter against range attacks

[ruby sapphire]

I mean what they said was also reasonable because this gets countered by like 60% of all abilities

Well not anymore but

You get what I'm saying

[wet oasis]

wdym “this”

are you talking abt time

or the mastery

[ruby sapphire]

This ability

Time mastery

[wet oasis]

o

[ruby sapphire]

Well you removed the projectile weakness

[wet oasis]

ya they had a point there

but it was easily fixed, so it was kinda an overreaction

[ruby sapphire]

It was a massive oversight tho

[wet oasis]

yeah 😅

[ruby sapphire]

Ngl

One of the most important questions you should ask yourself when making an ability is

"How does it do against archer"

[wet oasis]

archer needs some absolutely insane changes

[ruby sapphire]

If it involves camping one spot, archer annihilates it

[wet oasis]

i severely dislike archer

[ruby sapphire]

If it's too slow, archer annihilates it

[ruby sapphire]

Wanna see something funny

[wet oasis]

brick is unusable because of it 😭

[wet oasis]

oh lord ok

[ruby sapphire]

https://gyazo.com/aacda7041e452a116725278f9abc7840.gif

[wet oasis]

SEE

it needs to be reworked

[ruby sapphire]

Ngl you gotta take into consideration that SOL and lightstorm suck rn

Which are 2 out of 3 paths

[wet oasis]

crossbow needs a change

[ruby sapphire]

Lightstorm gpt powercrept by volley

And SOL is SOL (awful)

[wet oasis]

it looked so cool when it came out

[ruby sapphire]

It's decent imo

[wet oasis]

it’s just ahh

[ruby sapphire]

It deals respectable dps and even has slight knockback

[wet oasis]

i play on mobile and idk if that effects it but i simply can’t shoot the bow

[ruby sapphire]

And can pierce as a cherry on top

And even has a bigger projectile hitbox

But I prefer to just stay at volley and not upgrade further

But crossbow is a decent upgrade

[wet oasis]

arrow storm final upgrade is good tho

[ruby sapphire]

Ok let's be real

Would you rather do 60 damage to your enemy

Or do 80 damage to your enemy

If you pick 80 then don't get arrow storm

[wet oasis]

ok judging from this your unfortunately right

[ruby sapphire]

Also imo lightstorm is a bit inconsistent

[ruby sapphire]

Also volley with damage orb deals 100 damage so uh

Yeah

[wet oasis]

i thought damage orb wasn’t even supposed to effect that

[ruby sapphire]

Imo defender mas as a whole needs a bunch of rebalancing

Mainly to make the earlygame slightly harder and lategame slightly stronger

And fix some paths just being outright worse than other

(Including SOL)

[wet oasis]

yeah the fact that you should stop after like three levels to get the most op build is bs

[ruby sapphire]

Seven*

Also like I said, getting crossbow or staying at volley is more of a matter of preference

Some people like crossbow more while I prefer staying at volley

[wet oasis]

[surreal tusk]

a time mastery that isn’t shit?!?!?

[terse stream]

honestly this isnr bad but like

skill tree

eh

used in defender mas

[surreal tusk]

i mean ok the only problem is that the original thing behind this is kind of counter intuitive

[terse stream]

reusing a concept for a different mastery

[surreal tusk]

technically yes there might be less people using unmastered time

but it would inevitably increase the amount of time users

kind of like how there became way more people using gravity after the gravity mastery update

gravity unmastered used to just be weird

and maybe a slight inconvenience once every week or so

[terse stream]

idk im just not a big fan of this

[wet oasis]

why can’t two abilities have skill trees bro 🥲

[terse stream]

cause the ability will be shit till you get like a billion kills

Just make it balanced to begin with

[wet oasis]

i mean for me that’s the fun of it, that’s why i love things like army mastery and defender mastery

[terse stream]

I hate both

🥶

[wet oasis]

then yeah this is not for you 😭

[terse stream]

also

idk doesnt really make sense

[sour cipher]

cool but the E is like nothing related to a time like ability

[terse stream]

why would an hourglass slow down people around you

this doesn’t really change the play style

of time

mastery’s should be a sidegrade or change the play style

offensive ability—> defensive

etc

just my opinion tho

[wet oasis]

i think it’s completely different tho

idk

[terse stream]

both are offensive

[wet oasis]

also what are u

[terse stream]

and I don’t see this being really viable

[wet oasis]

the e spawns an hourglass bruh

[terse stream]

since people have to come to you

weird ass obtainment though u could change that

[sour cipher]

but how it'd slow ppls

[wet oasis]

did you read it?

[sour cipher]

yeah yeah it doesnt hace nothing with time

[terse stream]

Why are you saying that to me

??????

ok

I will be departing

from this suggestion

[wet oasis]

ok

o7

[sudden stirrup]

this will just make people spam time till they get the mastery bro💔

and idk if a skill tree is needed for a ability like time

[wet oasis]

the obtainment doesn’t involve regular time

[sudden stirrup]

oh rright

[wet oasis]

you don’t need to use unmastered time to get the mastery

[sudden stirrup]

i forgot

but still

lowkey the moves are good but a skill tree isnt neccasary

i think a kill streak would work better or SOMETHING else

[sour cipher]

i think its just alr(be pround of yourself tho, i hate time)

not like upvote worthy in my book tho

[wet oasis]

[clever crest]

@wet oasis maybe one of the passive upgrades would make a radius around The hourglass that deflects projectiles

[clever crest]

If you're going to read this suggestion, can you read his UFO Mastery suggestion https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1329869343848140923 and also mine

[wet oasis]

fr bro, it’s not hard to make this a viable mastery

idk if he’s being lazy or just ignorant

[clever crest]

Still tho, this ability is just defend the center but 10 times worse

[wet oasis]

what

[clever crest]

I'm not saying it's horrible, but an ability that requires you to stall constantly to do anything significant

Which again, the devs don't want

[wet oasis]

first off the devs ain’t said nothing yet

(so how the fuck do you know that)

[clever crest]

At least what I know from dec

[wet oasis]

he is not a dev

[clever crest]

I was reading some of the earlier messages

He's a tester though

[wet oasis]

so?

he tests the things that the devs make

he doesn’t decide shit for what gets added

[clever crest]

If the devs never make stalling abilities and rework already existing stalling abilities, then the tester can infer that they developers don't like stalling abilities

[wet oasis]

once again

i do not care what the testers think

and also, a good game isn’t about what the DEVS want, it’s what the fanbase wants

[clever crest]

It's not what testers thinks, it's with the testers inferred about the developers from testing updates

[clever crest]

Well in the end, it's the developers that get to decide

And remember, they reworked barrier

[wet oasis]

then let’s hope they decide what the players want, yeah?

[clever crest]

Which was originally a stalling ability

[clever crest]

They added bone mastery bro

And also void

[wet oasis]

void is ahh

[clever crest]

And also when was the last time they added a suggestion that had any significant besides a balance change or a small overhaul to something that already exists

[wet oasis]

ages ago

[clever crest]

Exactly

[wet oasis]

probably the gingerbread rework

[sour cipher]

U inspired me to make a suggestion btw!

Can i send it in DMs?

[wet oasis]

sure

[clever crest]

If the developers updated the game over and over again and almost never looked at what the community is suggesting, then it's obvious what the developers want

[wet oasis]

so what’s your point 😭 that the devs hate the community or smth

[clever crest]

My point is that the developers may not care about what they want for the game, not what the community wants

[wet oasis]

huh

i cannot read this

[sour cipher]

Then why did they make this channel?

[clever crest]

Idk

[cursive talon]

obviously to look at them and then make fun of the people suggesting things in group chats

[real radish]

Unrealistic suggestion. Devs are too lazy for this

[wet oasis]

can’t argue with that:(

[radiant latch]

if unmastered time is annoying

why dont u address that

[solemn saffron]

the suggestion isnt that great could be better

[radiant latch]

instead of making a mastery

and hoping that people flock to that

this doesnt actaully accomplish anything

it just makes another ability that people will find frustrating to fight

[terse stream]

just rework time

[neat berry]

❌

[terse stream]

🥀

[clever crest]

By chance are your parents alive

[radiant latch]

WHAAT

[terse stream]

Craaaazy

[wet oasis]

i can see like 5 suggestions currently saying we should do that, thsi si just my spin on it

[solemn saffron]

shut the fuck up

[clever crest]

You don't understand the reference

[terse stream]

ohh snap

[solemn saffron]

insecure bitch ass

[terse stream]

so terrific for you

[clever crest]

Me?

[terse stream]

No me

[clever crest]

Oh

[wet oasis]

unless your parents are actually dead your a crashout

[clever crest]

You do understand the joke right

[solemn saffron]

"you're a crashout"

[wet oasis]

i heard it as “your fatherless and motherless”

idk if that’s the intent

[solemn saffron]

how old are u

[terse stream]

what even was the context behind saying are your parents alive

[solemn saffron]

😭

[terse stream]

😭

[clever crest]

Batman being an orphan canonically

[terse stream]

You are canonically stupid

[clever crest]

That's probably true

[wet oasis]

fight fight fight fight

oop

[terse stream]

bro is not shakespeare

[clever crest]

No bro I'm 100 lbs and 5'5" I'm dying the moment he flicks me

[fickle igloo]

what am i reading

all this over a shitty time mastery suggestion

im dead

[clever crest]

People not understanding a joke

[fickle igloo]

😭

[wet oasis]

bruh 😭

your a bully

[clever crest]

There's a difference between honesty criticism and bullying

[radiant latch]

didnt rob already critique this

[wet oasis]

starscape gave criticism, rob was just being an asshole

[fickle igloo]

i mean i was nicer back then but who cares now

i gave criticism at the start

u just took it as me being an asshole 😭

[radiant latch]

😭

[clever crest]

I remember basically this exact same suggestion being reviewed a really long time ago before the raid

[wet oasis]

yeah that was bubz

it’s where i got the idea

[radiant latch]

dude all rob did was

offer criticism

[clever crest]

Someone makes an idea and their praise. You're inspired by the idea and get criticized by everyone for it

[radiant latch]

im dead bro

[wet oasis]

he ranked it a 3/10 and dipped

didn’t say how to improve it

[silver verge]

no?

[radiant latch]

no

what

LOL

[silver verge]

he actually showed you why it sucks

and u just ignored it

[wet oasis]

bro dec leave this conversation

[silver verge]

i also told ytou why it wouldnt get added...

[wet oasis]

i don’t want to deal with staff glaze rn

[terse stream]

I mean what he said was kind of true, (this ability being necessarily useless unless ur in a small square, i don’t think the upgrades matter much as you’re restricted to a single place or ur abilities are ass)

[fickle igloo]

how could i improve it?

be real

i already stated

[silver verge]

all we said was that ranged abilities make this ability bad

[fickle igloo]

that the devs don't want ana bility

that stall

how would i even improve this

[clever crest]

You should read his UFO mastery rework suggestion fr

[wet oasis]

(this is fixed, read it again)

[radiant latch]

no one will

[silver verge]

me omw to enter a realm and be greeted by -4 speed that can be upgraded btw

[wet oasis]

i legit added something that addresses this exact problem

[radiant latch]

ever enter ur hourglass

and u will continuously scale

what an unfun concept

[fickle igloo]

he added a part where u can now move it ;sob

😭

[silver verge]

💀

[fickle igloo]

that only solves the problem of people not going into it

[wet oasis]

taht was oofguys idea

[fickle igloo]

but whats stopping me from just

AHM

holding s and runnign away

[radiant latch]

cause rob

[fickle igloo]

look guan

[radiant latch]

u passively get "ticks"

[fickle igloo]

theres no real reason for me to simply walk in there

[terse stream]

im not saying this is bad but like it seems basically useless if you just walk away (it’s even worse than walking away from times E because it just slows down)

[radiant latch]

to upgrade the radius and slow

[wet oasis]

robber whatever ur about to say ima ignore

[clever crest]

My idea was to make there be an upgrade to that gives a passive shield that's repels projectiles, but maybe it should have a durability of some sorts

[radiant latch]

of the hourglass

wyh are we going at rob

😭

[fickle igloo]

"yeah guys rob was just an asshole and didnt give me any way to improve"

i pointed out the flaws

[wet oasis]

i added basically this, projectiles are slowed to almost nothing when they enter the field

[fickle igloo]

💀

[clever crest]

I guess that's a cooler way to make it work

[fickle igloo]

theres simply no redeeming factors about this LOL

atp just delete the suggestion

💔

[wet oasis]

i mean it doesn’t matter which way it would be

[fickle igloo]

there are so many other ways

[terse stream]

Pretty sure the major flaw is the fact that you’re restricted to a small space and basically a slightly buffed default outside of it (you arent buffed much inside either)

[fickle igloo]

to approach time mastery

[wet oasis]

man i love your constructive criticism

[fickle igloo]

u simply just chose one that restricts you

[wet oasis]

dick

[clever crest]

So this mastery is basically a massive death circle where everyone inside it loses FPS

[terse stream]

well thats a bit much?

[fickle igloo]

yep

[clever crest]

Hey that's not very nice

[wet oasis]

sorry oof guy

[fickle igloo]

idk why this guy is tryna insult me

[wet oasis]

your actually offering solutions

[silver verge]

yeah

[clever crest]

I'm not the one you should be apologizing to

[fickle igloo]

im simply just saying this suggestion is a bad idea overall

[wet oasis]

i take it back

[clever crest]

I love it

[wet oasis]

your glazing too

[radiant latch]

it doesnt take being a glazer to see ur being an asshole

[clever crest]

Good

[terse stream]

I don’t think it should restrict you to a small place and I don’t really think it should be a skill tree

just my opinion though

[clever crest]

Why are we trying to prove that this one person made it bad suggestion? Just leave your constructive feedback and leave

[wet oasis]

it would be kinda boring without a skill tree

[terse stream]

time and skill tree are just unrelated

[clever crest]

Well it does take time to upgrade your skill tree

[wet oasis]

FR, the only reason i’m still arguing is cuz it’s my suggestion

yall can just leave already gosh 😭

[clever crest]

The best way to get someone to shut up is to ignore them

[wet oasis]

considering it’s my suggestion i’d rather defend it

[clever crest]

If they keep trying to get you to respond after you ignore them then you can tell that they're trying to get attention

[wet oasis]

but at least they finally shut up

[radiant latch]

regardless this is never getting added at its current state

[clever crest]

Don't just defend it, take Criticism as long as it's constructive and improve your suggestion

[radiant latch]

rework it then ask for evaluation again

[silver verge]

u didnt even make this

ik the dude that made the original

[wet oasis]

(bubz)

[clever crest]

And where is he now

[wet oasis]

but that got blown to smithereens and it was a decent idea

[clever crest]

Just asking, do the Devs add suggestions that are made by banned members

[wet oasis]

also should it by some miracle actually get added, it would be like earl’s gingerbread suggestion

[radiant latch]

trust me

[wet oasis]

bits and pieces would be taken from that suggestion to make the end result

[radiant latch]

no miracle will get this added

[wet oasis]

(no miracle will a single thing in suggestions get added)

[clever crest]

I know some suggestions that should get added...

[clever crest]

That's true most of the time

[wet oasis]

the devs don’t even brag about listening to the community anymore, they know they don’t

[clever crest]

What made them think nerfing Archer to the ground was a good idea

Making something absolutely horrible in a game is never the right solution

[wet oasis]

fr, there’s a difference between a nerf and a rework

yet they nerf the shit out of every fun ability

[fiery finch]

ugh if only proposedguan would just stop being racist

[clever crest]

I don't think spring has had any real nerfs in a while

[fiery finch]

sigh

hes just so racist he wont stop

im so sad

[fickle igloo]

yo chat do u see any hostility in my messages here

cuz he said i didnt give him any constructive critism

[clever crest]

No

[wet oasis]

robber i thought you took a hint

we were having a decent discussion

[fickle igloo]

i explained why this ability doesnt work and that was all

💀

[clever crest]

Stop trying to defend your case bro it's just some stupid suggestion

[wet oasis]

there was 0 ways to make it better

[clever crest]

This has no real significance

[fickle igloo]

im just setting the record straight

[wet oasis]

you said why you didn’t like it and then said non more

[clever crest]

U don't need to

[solemn saffron]

if u cant take criticism then dont make suggestions

🤦‍♂️

[carmine steeple]

idek what to say

this is just

[prime portal]

Anime Vanguards

[carmine steeple]

unbalanced

and unfun

[solemn saffron]

idiot went on an alt

[silver verge]

LOL

wayys stop

ur gonna make me die

its 7pm

[solemn saffron]

Wat so funny

[fiery finch]

👍🏻

True that

[solemn saffron]

Shut up timmy

[silver verge]

timy you gott alaugh at this

[fiery finch]

LMFAOOOO

[agile shuttle]

Successfully unbanned user echidnectar.

[fiery finch]

LOL

IM DEAD

LMFAOO

[silver verge]

i cant breahte]

[fiery finch]

BRO THATS HILARIOUS 😭

I HAVE CHEMOTHERAPY BECAUSE OF THIS

THIS IS SO FUNNY

[fathom anvil]

the concept is great
maybe the skill tree could have things that make the hourglass more mobile? maybe an upgrade that makes the E go on your back at the cost of reduced range??

[wet oasis]

that is actually cool

a smaller but portable bubble

[terse stream]

the least fun I have with a mastery is with defender/army

(takes a shit ton of time to get good, you’re still easily killable by abilities like bg etc.)

[wet oasis]

both of those are my favorite abilities

excluding engineer

[fathom anvil]

to each their own ig

[terse stream]

alot of mastery’s are fun

like cake

balanced skilled and fun to use

[wet oasis]

lemon mastery needs rework tbh

[terse stream]

has mobility, defence, offence

[terse stream]

heeelll no

it’s decent

[wet oasis]

it’s just regular lemon with two more abilities tho 😭

[terse stream]

so

[wet oasis]

compared to like a lot of other masteries it kinda uncreative

nvm now that i think abt it

[terse stream]

mastery’s are either direct upgrades (to buff ass/average abilities like lemon and cake) and make them viable in real PvP scenario

Or sidegrades

[wet oasis]

hm well engineer was the least creative mastery but maybe the best

[terse stream]

engineer is a creative ability to begin with

it just got some addons (which are also creative)

[wet oasis]

that’s true

[fathom anvil]

seems easier to get/cheaper abilities typically get direct upgrades

[wet oasis]

but i mean

[terse stream]

so why change its concept?

[terse stream]

yep

cosmos mas for example isnt really a buff to cosmos

I’d much rather use unmastered

[wet oasis]

i think enginner unmastered/mastered may be one of the few reasons ability wars is still alive

[terse stream]

(The E has much better comboes, Q has less windup and moves faster)

[fathom anvil]

cosmos mas really just changes how the moves work slightly

[terse stream]

(Unmastered)

[wet oasis]

cosmos mastery was pretty mid but i’d still rather use it then unmastered

[fathom anvil]

cosmos mas is more of a defensive ability

[terse stream]

There are multiple factors to decide a mastery which are:

• does the ability need a mastery? Or is it fine as is.
• will it be less, or more viable than the original ability, or will it have a different play style?
• how will people people use it, and is it abuseable? (for example spamming powerful projectiles from a distance)
• is it skilled? (doesn’t need to be, but it would be much smoother if it was)
• does it relate to the ability (pretty obvious)
• is it a direct copy from the original with solely buffs, or is it an entirely new concept that only relates to the ability name? (both bad)
  ———
  what you made here is a worse version of Time, making you waste much more time for nothing where E unmastered can kill multiple people at once with a cost of a large windup, this also has not really anything to do with what time is right now, (you can see how mastery’s are very related to their original (for example cosmos mas having the same abilities with a unique twist, or cakes E being solely the same but bigger with smaller cakes), I do think the Q is good though, if you ever wanted for this to be added you’d much better be off making this a rework, solely because it doesn’t relate to original time, also time doesn’t really have anything to do with a skill tree, and even then you made it incredibly weak and an unviable stall ability, there are many things you can do and I don’t think this is it, sorry dude

[wet oasis]

my dear lord

ok let’s read 😬

[wet oasis]

ok so “this doesn’t have anything to do with what time is right now”

it relies on a bubble that slows time

also a “worse” version of time

similar to defender mastery which i love so, it STARTS worse, but gets better

[terse stream]

time is a oneshot

[wet oasis]

the much needed time nerf is a topic for another time

but i do recall robber saying how shit time was and how easy it is to defend against…

[terse stream]

ok so ur basically trading a oneshot ability that stops player entirely for a ryoiki tenkai slow everyone by 4 and speed me up by a little

and this isn’t near as good as time unless you wait like 40 minutes

and even then it’s just an incomplete domain that buffers with speed

[wet oasis]

1: the abilities the E gives are completely from when you SPAWN and not when you upgrade.

2

do you agree with me or robber

i say time is op, he says it sucks

[terse stream]

I don’t agree with either

I think it’s balanced

large windup for a big reward

[wet oasis]

i was hoping you wouldn’t say that

[terse stream]

the S key exists for a reason

[wet oasis]

you cant run out of the zone in time

man i ain even gonna argue this no more

it’s like my third time proving this point

[terse stream]

also you can just kill the time user (he’s heavily vulnerable while winding up)

[terse stream]

I sent you a whole ass paragraph

[terse stream]

.

[wet oasis]

the final thing ima say is that if the user has full health he 100% won’t die in time

[terse stream]

just use your abilities, (or even better, get on high ground, or simply jump on the time users head to avoid)

im not saying time is skilled im just saying it’s balanced

people complain about it cause they probably lost some streak or something to it

(no idea how)

[wet oasis]

(ima just say that if you scroll up a ways i have already argued why this point is false)

[terse stream]

reply to the message

[wet oasis]

if you really want to see then scroll yourself

staff been coming at me for so long i’m to lazy to scroll up

[terse stream]

you are supposed to prove your point against me

[wet oasis]

did you not read this message

idgaf your not gonna change your mind

don’t waste our time

[terse stream]

im not wasting anyone time

im debating

[wet oasis]

and i’m not anymore

[terse stream]

so you give up?

[surreal tusk]

i’m sorry pyro i’m gonna have to disagree with you on this one

time is balanced???????????

NO

[terse stream]

in my opinion it’s easily counterable

although I main jester so idk

both my abilities counter it so I haven’t seen any trouble with it

[surreal tusk]

if you’re playing something without mobility and they come within melee range you’re already dead

hello earl

[surreal tusk]

the bananas???

[calm lagoon]

time is not balanced
one wrong move and youre getting an early cremation by evil oneshot timestop

[terse stream]

just banana jump out the range

or Q out the range

or stun with bananas

or just Q after they hit you

[surreal tusk]

even the supercounter spectral can still be countered if the time user lures you back into your body

[wet oasis]

i give up arguing against someone too ignorant to change their view, yea

[terse stream]

????

I’ve been completely honest and nice the whole time

[wet oasis]

new name

[wet oasis]

ok you have been kinder about it, yea

[surreal tusk]

granted this requires a little bit of skill which most time users lack

[wet oasis]

thanks for that, but your view is still not changing

i doubt it will

[terse stream]

YOU GAVE UP ARGUING

HOW DO U EXPECT IT TO CHANGE

[wet oasis]

i meant when i was arguing earlier

[surreal tusk]

ok here’s my view

time users with their E ready are basically gp

(but you can’t see it)

[terse stream]

I don’t really know how op time is since literally most abilities I’ve seen/I use counter it

[silver verge]

There’s no point in arguing he only agree if the view supports him

[terse stream]

well even if that’s true i don’t think there’s a need to be rude about it

[wet oasis]

i think i really pissed dec off 😭

[silver verge]

He said my friend was being an asshole after providing reasoning why its bad and provided some ideas to make it better

[terse stream]

although that comment you made earlier wasn’t nice

[wet oasis]

sowwy

(but not to dec)

[terse stream]

the comment was directed towards rob bro

😭

‘dick’

[wet oasis]

rob had a point at the beginning

[calm lagoon]

if i have to hold my ability cooldowns solely to prepare for a time user's ability then it isnt balanced
there isnt that many other examples of this being the case

[wet oasis]

ohhh your upset i said a naughty word

[surreal tusk]

yeah

[terse stream]

‘naughty word’

it’s called being rude

[surreal tusk]

you can see it coming from a mile away and you can’t do much once they reach within melee range

[wet oasis]

i’m sorry if my manners aren’t in shipshape on an ability wars suggestion

💀

[calm lagoon]

oh yeah
time users cant be fought in melee range unless they just used their e move
and usually they are using their q move if they arent using their e move

[terse stream]

???

mind your manners

just because your online it doesn’t mean you can say whatever

some people get hurt by this shit

[wet oasis]

so your saying i scarred rob cuz i said “dick”

[terse stream]

im not saying you scared him

im saying it was rude

[wet oasis]

this is very true but does NOT apply to me saying a bad word. your overreacting.

[terse stream]

im not overreacting

[wet oasis]

whatever you say

[green pine]

What is this yap rn

[terse stream]

so telling someone ‘dick’ because they disagreed with your opinion is justified

ok

[wet oasis]

with your logic, they “weren’t minding their manners”

so “yeah that’s so justified”

[terse stream]

???

[surreal tusk]

this conversation has nothing to do with aw

[wet oasis]

fr 😭

[surreal tusk]

please both of you go home

[wet oasis]

go he

[surreal tusk]

[green pine]

Did you even read the obtainment

[terse stream]

you could read

the obtainment

cold

tuff

aura

[green pine]

You go into bb realm and do a tower defense thing

[terse stream]

Ok

[green pine]

lol he deleted his messages

[heady heath]

ok nvm im wrong as hell

mb

[terse stream]

ok

[clever crest]

That last point is literally gravity mastery 😭

[terse stream]

so

I never said gravity mas was good

Concept wise

[clever crest]

I'm not disagreeing with you