Secret Abilities.

[solemn briar]

After seeing that dice became a normal ability I simply didn't understand anything anymore.

Dice could already be a normal ability before since it has its own mechanics

Besides Jetser and Butter being the best secret abilities... what's the point of that?

What's the point of secret abilities? Many normal abilities could be considered Secret and are not.

Also Hoj became a normal ability
(it doesn't actually make much sense that it was one in my opinion)

But the point is: Why do secret abilities that are actually good?

Chair sucks
And no, it's not just because it can be a counter to DoS that means I'm going to use it all the time.
Alchemist is better for this

Brick sucks
250k punches to be targeted most of the time or bug somewhere

Burger is meh
It's really cool but really bad at the same time? I can't explain it properly

(I won't even comment on Kick)

But now adding Jester Butter as secrets is ridiculous. Even Dice was worse than these 2

But in short the suggestion is simple: Stop making good secret abilities, and make the ones that are good normal with some rework and changes like Dice.

There is no reason for a secret ability to be used seriously.

[open arch]

Secret abilities are more for abilities that aren’t serious or made for combat

[solemn briar]

Yeah

Exactly

[limpid aspen]

and you're asking what's the point of them?

[solemn briar]

Did you read everything?

Just tk

[limpid aspen]

the point is simple silly fun abilities

[solemn briar]

Silly joke abilities that are stronger than normal ones

[limpid aspen]

not every ability has to be combat

[solemn briar]

Butter and jester It is the focus of the suggestion

Jester was the one who had the best chance of becoming a normal

[open arch]

Butter can be used combatantly, it’s just extremely hard

So there is a reason to use to seriously

[solemn briar]

Butter is op as shit on combat

[open arch]

Not really

You get like 2x knockback

[solemn briar]

I literally main butter

[open arch]

Can’t move well

[limpid aspen]

ah i see what this text barf is saying

[open arch]

Half the time you have near 0 control

[solemn briar]

Do you want to compare butter with chair so?

[limpid aspen]

"Why make secret abilities that are powerful im combat"

[solemn briar]

Thats so fucking fake

With all due respect

[open arch]

Not really

Sometimes butter can’t move backwards

(Just speeds up forward really fast)

[solemn briar]

Where did you get that from?

[open arch]

I’ve played butter before

[solemn briar]

Then go back to using it bro.

[limpid aspen]

butter isnt rly offensive its js defensive isnt it

[solemn briar]

Nah

[open arch]

It can be used offensively

Mainly the q and it’s passive

[solemn briar]

The flight is for offense

And the transformation can be used for both

In reality, Butter's 2 moves are very versatile.

[open arch]

If there was no cooldown for untransforming from e it could be used semi offensively

[limpid aspen]

how did this turn into an argument about butter

[solemn briar]

You can also use the butter transformation for movement.

Bc butter is good

[open arch]

Moving backwards works better 90% of the time

[solemn briar]

Jester and butter should become normal abilities

[limpid aspen]

the post is abt secret abilities 😭

[solemn briar]

Not a pack a punch but offensive

[open arch]

Butter was legit made for April fools

[solemn briar]

No,

[open arch]

Yes

[solemn briar]

Pusher

[open arch]

Both were

[solemn briar]

It was created for april fools

[open arch]

Both were made for it

I think jester was too

[limpid aspen]

respectfully why does it matter

why does secret abilities not being pedestal abilities matter

[solemn briar]

Prejudice against secret abilities 😔

[open arch]

There are screenshots of jester and butter having a pedestal on April fools

So yeah

They were made for it

So in reality they weren’t made for combat

Or really defense either

[solemn briar]

But like

Wsit

I forgot what i wss going to say

[open arch]

Just keep them as secret tbh

[limpid aspen]

they were just silly ideas 👍

[open arch]

They’re cool back there

Mostly forgotten

[limpid aspen]

fun secrets to be discovered 🔥

[solemn briar]

Secret abilities have much more decency than many normal abilities tbh

[open arch]

And making them pedestals would make it seems as a down grade from a new player pov

Like imagine getting a new ability, and it’s just turning into a stick of butter and levitating

[solemn briar]

Soda should be secret ability in my opinion lol

[open arch]

Soda

Is

Interesting

It was meant to be coffees and energy drinks replacement

[solemn briar]

Also bind is a secret ability

[limpid aspen]

soda is meant for newer players wdym

[open arch]

Secret because it’s a hidden quest too

[solemn briar]

U hold a soda

[open arch]

All parts of bind are secret

There is (almost) no signs of it existing

[solemn briar]

Still a good secret ability

[open arch]

That’s like the one exception of a serious secret ability

[solemn briar]

Jester

[open arch]

It’s not even serious

It was made as an April fools joke

[solemn briar]

Blud

[open arch]

Hell it uses bananas and slides

[limpid aspen]

so you're saying just because it's good it needs to be pedestalized

[solemn briar]

It is considered the best secret ability for pvp

[open arch]

Doesn’t mean it’s serious?

[solemn briar]

No, No joke = no secret

Chair is a just joking

For itself

[open arch]

What I’m saying is, keep secrets where they are

[limpid aspen]

wth is no joke even supposed to mean

useless in combat?

[solemn briar]

Like

Brick

U get so big that u cant even do anything

[limpid aspen]

but its e is pretty useful for combat?

[solemn briar]

or CHAIR THAT MAKES PEOPLE SIT ON UR HEAD.

[open arch]

What is even the point of this suggestion, it’s legit just saying there is no reason for them to be used seriously, does that mena they should be removed or moved or what???

[solemn briar]

I still think butter and jester should become normal abilities

[limpid aspen]

it kinda stuns people when they hit you?

[solemn briar]

It doesn't make sense for really good abilities to be considered jokes.

[solemn briar]

'-'

[limpid aspen]

they're jokes because their idea is silly

not because they're useless in combat 😭

[open arch]

It was like moai

Good in combat

[limpid aspen]

change your definition of joke ability 🔥

[open arch]

Funny idea

[solemn briar]

Thats not the reason

[limpid aspen]

thats why they made it secret before

[open arch]

(We still need moai back)

[limpid aspen]

oh my gyatt what now

[solemn briar]

Bc cake is not a joke ability

Or jello

[open arch]

Cake isn’t really silly enough

[limpid aspen]

do those ideas seem made to be silly to you

[solemn briar]

You throw a cake that explodes on the player

[open arch]

Jello isnt anywhere near a silly idea

[limpid aspen]

and in the end, why does this matter in the slightest 🔥

[solemn briar]

How that's not silly

Double jump is not a secret

[limpid aspen]

its not silly-

[open arch]

Double jump isn’t even silly

[limpid aspen]

its for newer players 😭

[solemn briar]

Double jump It shouldn't even be considered to actually exist.

[open arch]

That’s true ^

[solemn briar]

Neither do they use

[open arch]

But it’s there

Also what would the double jump secret icon even look like in the first place

[solemn briar]

A arrow

Green

With a plus

👍

[limpid aspen]

tldr: guy complains abt how some secret abilities are too good in combat and should be pedestalized

[solemn briar]

Stop changing the subject

[limpid aspen]

for anyone not willing to read the incohesive text barf

[solemn briar]

I think all secret abilities could become normal.

And again, what's the point of having secret abilities?

[limpid aspen]

because yes?

abilities to be discovered by the newer players

🔥

simple as that not everything needs to have a why

[open arch]

Abilities that don’t have a good price to be placed at (and be good there)

[solemn briar]

You don't even know why

[solemn briar]

The hell u mean price

[limpid aspen]

i literally just gave the why

[open arch]

It’s like putting butter at 50 punches, but imagine being a new player and getting what seems to be an utterly useless ability

[solemn briar]

Secret abilities are a government conspiracy

[limpid aspen]

the why is that they're just silly abilities to be found by people

[open arch]

Or jester at 1.5k

[limpid aspen]

@open arch can we let this post die

[solemn briar]

U just explained static and paladin

[open arch]

Static is gone

[solemn briar]

They they ruined the static

Static was a great ability

But they nerfed it and it became trash

[open arch]

Paladin can block, has extra m1 damage and an actual combative e ability

[open arch]

It didn’t get nerfed ONCE in its history

[solemn briar]

Yep got

[open arch]

Shit wrong reply

[solemn briar]

Back in the day static gave you speed like 1.25-1.5x extra when flying

[open arch]

It still did

[solemn briar]

It didn't

It has been confirmed that they removed dude

[open arch]

You can go into 100 players and check

It’s like 9 months behind

[solemn briar]

I just don't understand why Dice specifically got a rework.

[limpid aspen]

because why not 🔥

[solemn briar]

It wasn't used as much compared to cheese jester and butter

[open arch]

Dice should lowk go back to being secret

The q is a complete gamble

Like a complete

E is meh

[solemn briar]

Cheese and jester are the most used secrets

I said

Pack a punch but offensive

[undone field]

No.

[open arch]

I despise cheese with everything I got, 2nd most hated ability

[limpid aspen]

jester is a stretch I've seen more seats than jesters

[solemn briar]

Hell nah

[undone field]

This suggestion is ass

[solemn briar]

Why the hell turning good abilities into normal abilities is ass?

[undone field]

The whole point of secret abilities is for them to be ass and or somewhat useless. Old dice was bad bc it had 1 ability that mostly sucked

[limpid aspen]

yes now everyone please let it fall into obscurity

[open arch]

-# I genuinely don’t know what this suggestion is about, it’s just rant about secret abilities

[solemn briar]

Jester butter cheese and bind is ass so?

[undone field]

Secret abilities are just ment to be secret

[solemn briar]

Why.

[undone field]

If they get reworked they can become normal abilities

Goodbge.

Goodbye*

[solemn briar]

If it were like that then they wouldn't launch it.

[open arch]

I’m just gonna let this die

[limpid aspen]

yes thank you

[open arch]

It’s like those suggestions that get 9 dislikes in 30 mins and try to get a comeback