"The Undying" ability

[strong drum]

pretty simple

E (regular): if the opponent is within range you grab them and slam them into the ground with a suplex knocking them back behind you with the same knockback and ragdoll time as a punch, 15 damage and a 20 second cooldown

E (passive 1): the same as E regular but the knockback is slightly large, the ragdoll is slightly longer and the move does 20 damage

E (passive 2): the suplex this time has a little over double the knockback and ragdoll of a normal punch with 30 damage being dealt when using it, it also cracks the ground when you slam them

Q (passive 2): you only get Q when you get to passive 2 but when you use it you dash forward about 3 studs and punch, this does 20 damage and has slightly large knockback and ragdoll than a regular punch, it has a 3 second cooldown

Passive: upon death you get knocked back slightly further than usual and are revived to 25% HP and have a 15% buff to speed and damage that lasts until the second passive activates or they reach 50% HP
(40 second cooldown)

Passive 2 (optional): after dying a second time you get a 15 second window of invincibility which stops any damage and ragdoll but not knockback where you won't regen nor will any regen work on you so you'll die when its over, your avatar also starts to look slightly hazy at the legs to indicate it. This is optional because this might be hard to code idk
(0 cooldown because you bouta die anyway)

Cost: "The Undying" badge and 17500 punches

"The Undying" requirements: Get healed after dying by any means (E.g. alchemist, custom, food, any healing)

Notes:
1: the cooler Return
2: the void instantly kills them and doesn't allow the passives to take place

***I wonder who this is a reference to 🤔 ***

[prisma warren]

Sans ability omg

Anyways

The ability seems boring

And just a cooler return

[idle jacinth]

This is literally default but you have 10 more hp and a 3rd phrase that can be countered by walking away

[strong drum]

why do you think its cheap then? its not meant to be some op kill somebody in 10 seconds ability its meant to be cool to have and can be fun to use

[idle jacinth]

Just because it’s cheap doesnt mean it should be a worse version of an already existing ability

You can add more unique things to an ability called “undying” than just respawn as a weaker character with some vfx’s

[strong drum]

you don't exactly know what the ability is a reference to do you?

[idle jacinth]

A certain undertale character

[strong drum]

good, then you should know that those abilites are basically all it needs for people to get it

[idle jacinth]

But the problem here is that

You only took the “undying” part of the statement and made it its own ability

Which

You can also just respawn

And get all hp back

[strong drum]

I'm trying to fit it in the same way the other references are, not super obvious but you know what it is, like bone, which has the Q ability blue and only damage you when you're moving

[patent parcel]

theres really no reason to use this when return gives iframes and a 2nd life but cool idea 👍

[strong drum]

like I said, its just the cooler return

[patent parcel]

yea

[strong drum]

also people won't start insulting you for using it

[patent parcel]

people insult you for using return??

[idle jacinth]

Because with return

You quite literally cannot die

Like return is literally built like a living punching back

[strong drum]

its really annoying

[patent parcel]

return is just default thats harder to kill at that point

[idle jacinth]

Return is literally what happens when you max your defence stats

And nothing else

[strong drum]

Undying is return but if it got run over by a car while not using its abilites and got weaker

so less annoying

also reference to fish lady

[patent parcel]

[idle jacinth]

The problem here is that

The devs have absolutely no incentive to add this

[strong drum]

I hope you know what I'm talking about or I sound insane

[patent parcel]

undyne right

[strong drum]

yeah

[patent parcel]

i hated the undyne fight dude i died like 10 times

[idle jacinth]

Because it will literally be the ability that exists

And nothing more

[strong drum]

yeah but new reference, so people will like it

[idle jacinth]

People will play it

For 1-2 days

[strong drum]

void moment

[idle jacinth]

And completely forget about it

[patent parcel]

maybe this could just be a return rework

[idle jacinth]

And

Think about the fact

That updates take time

And effort

[patent parcel]

the last update added void which nobody uses anymore

[idle jacinth]

Spending that time and effort into an ability that is guaranteed to never be used is not ideal

At least with void some people still use it

But with undying

Even shift works better

[patent parcel]

people only used void for 1-5 days and then got bored of it

[strong drum]

actually it can act as a step up to return, people will get it before return and when they reach return they can use that too

[idle jacinth]

That doesn’t mean it’s now ok to make completely pointless abilities

[idle jacinth]

It really isn’t a good replacement

It’s just default but with 10 more hp

[patent parcel]

they should make more abilities like engineer

[idle jacinth]

And some cool effects

[strong drum]

the extra knockback when they die stop combos

[idle jacinth]

Yeah

Which

They will die later anyways

[patent parcel]

wall combos

[idle jacinth]

Because

There’s absolutely nothing they can do after gaining a second life

[strong drum]

they'd probably get flung from the goofy physics

[idle jacinth]

They kinda just

Have 10 hp

[strong drum]

so, buff it?

[idle jacinth]

And have a guy menacingly approaching them

[patent parcel]

should be like 100% hp but the max hp gets halved

[idle jacinth]

Add an ability

[strong drum]

bet I thought of a cool thing to do

[idle jacinth]

Or better passive to it

Because it’s literally just the ability that people use to exist longer

[patent parcel]

the ability should have more to it other than just being a worse version of return

[idle jacinth]

Maybe add a mechanic to get your 2nd life

And then buff 2nd life with another move set

[strong drum]

I added a bit to the first one

[patent parcel]

you should add a Q and E ability

so it has an actual reason to be used

[strong drum]

well what am I meant to add to this? the point of the ability is that you get stronger after dying so there isn't much to give a Q or E ability

[patent parcel]

this ability is a reference to undyne right

[strong drum]

Undyne fights with spears, but if I add those at that point it wouldn’t be a reference to undyne it’d just be undyne

[patent parcel]

well ok

up to you then

[strong drum]

I’m gonna make the Q fucking suplex somebody

That’s fitting

[patent parcel]

good idea

[strong drum]

There

I made it cost more because I went a SMALL bit overboard with it

[mild drift]

if this gets added it deserves a mastery that gives it spear related abilities