patch TRUE, long m1 combos

[small prairie]

this game is a stun simulator and it sucks. because of the very long TRUE combos in this game, people play like they are at 1 hp the entire time!

not only are the passive players boring, getting combo'd is boring. its legit just a soild 3-5 seconds in which you can't do anything. and its not even like m1 comboing is fun, it straight up isn't! all you do is hold W + spam m1 and deals 30-60 damage depending on the ability. in fact, the most fun i have in this game is when my opponent has a chance to fight back.

for these reasons, you should have hyperarmor upon getting up.

ACTUAL SUGGESTION
Upon getting up from a ragdoll, for 0.5s, you can't get stunned, nor ragdolled by any attack.

Your next m1 will be uninterruptable.
Missing an m1 during this time will cause you to immediately lose the buff.
Using an ability will also cause you to lose the buff instantly.

To account for this, your m1 knockback is always the same.

Last time I made a suggestions like this, a few questions and concerns were raised.

"How will I combo people then?"
You m1 them, bait out their next m1, then punish them with an m1.
Alternatively, you can hit them twice during a single ragdoll period (which I am fine with since it's less of a stun lock) You can also m1 then instantly use an ability, it's a short combo, but a combo none the less.

"Wouldn't this indirectly buff god punch?"
Yes, but you can just spam ranged abilities on them and it'll still be unavoidable most of the time. Also god punch needs a rework, playing it is social distance simulator.

"You're mad that you got one combo'd by a speed boost user."
Yeah, that's a problem, dealing inf damage on top of always getting the first hit is an obvious issue, this solves one of those problems.

This was inspired by battleground games, despite being slightly better stun sims, they still have some good mechanics in them.

waiting for the X's

ALSO, another thing people brought up was m1 trading, then proceed to say it was bad because "slap battles"

yuh, m1 trading is your punishment for holding W + spamming m1

[drifting atlas]

I think the simpler solution would be to increase knockback on consecutive punches, which would garuntee that punch combos end after 2-3 punches

[molten lichen]

This was added in the map update, but it was hated so badly it only lasted 2 days

About a 1.2k to 200 dislike to like ratio when there was a poll on having it

[drifting atlas]

why was it disliked?

[molten lichen]

Everyone hated it

[drifting atlas]

but why?

[molten lichen]

Removed the ability to do decent punches

And you could launch people extremely far with just 5 punches

Like extremely

[drifting atlas]

True

[molten lichen]

Also made wall combos impossible

[drifting atlas]

That could be problematic with time and stuff

[molten lichen]

Every form on m1 capability was removed

So punches were just a hit at the point

Had no purpose

Also this would have the same problem but without knockback

Hits would just be a hit

No use other than 10 damage

[drifting atlas]

Punches do need a nerf, though

[molten lichen]

Even better m1 combos that need skill wouldn’t be possible

[molten lichen]

A 10 damage short range hit needs a nerf…

If anything the running problem is worse

[drifting atlas]

Yes, because of the random infinite combos that can occur

[molten lichen]

Punch combos randomly end after 5 punches because it does more knockback, making true combos impossible

So there is a system to stop infinite combos

Unless you use a combo extender, like robot wrench

Even then it’s only like another 3 hits

[drifting atlas]

if something could be done to make the combos less random, that would be good

[agile vine]

void is good for combos

both attacks are a combo extender

then it also slows

[drifting atlas]

whether you get the right knockback to start a combo or not is a factor you have little control over

[molten lichen]

Well you can always use the SKILLED approach, 1-2 cake (alch mas) + water

Less knockback

So you can inf combo with that option

Infinite combos need skilled approaches

[drifting atlas]

the skilled approach of drinking a potion 🧌

[molten lichen]

You still need to actually do the combo

• keep it

[drifting atlas]

Doing the combo is just a matter of walking forward and punching until the game decides you're done

[molten lichen]

Not really

There is so many better combos than just walking forward

With m1s only

Like walking slightly ahead and flicking so you’re ahead, making it so longer punches don’t ruin jt

Hard to do but worth it

[drifting atlas]

what's flicking?

[molten lichen]

…

[drifting atlas]

The game makes no effort to explain any of this, so I'm not likely to know

[molten lichen]

Basically moving your camera fast in a direction to knock them a different direction then normal

So you can make someone behind you knock in front of you

[drifting atlas]

oh

The game should have some kind of tutorial or codex for mechanics like this because I have no idea how someone would figure them out naturally

[molten lichen]

It’s kinda just tech, you find them, not technically intended but also not counted as bug abuse

[molten lichen]

Starting a combo without abilities against someone that likely does have abilites and/or a passive is kinda hard, basically slightly buffed default vs something that prob has ranged and likely close advantage

[drifting atlas]

true

[molten lichen]

Alchemist combining with speed needs a nerf tho

Lowk bad

And extremely infinite with no skill

[drifting atlas]

alchemist's other potions are pretty bad compared to speed

[blazing glacier]

mmmm

[molten lichen]

Yeah I did just think of a fix for this, might suggest

[blazing glacier]

No thanks

[icy yoke]

So basically, you want to take the combat system of this game, which is fun when you get the hang of it.

And make it into

Two action figures repeatedly bumping into eachother until one dies.

[terse moth]

absolutely fucking not, Sounds boring as how slap battles were suppose to be

[drifting atlas]

This suggestion is definitely an extreme solution

[terse moth]

this current pvp system is all about skills

[icy yoke]

Additionally, let's acknowledge that.

With this system NOBODY will ever do enough damage to get any kills & even getting to the void would be hard

[drifting atlas]

The only change I would really like to see to punch is the knockback being more consistent but that's probably a roblox physics issue knowing how roblox physics can be

[icy yoke]

Well, with default.

You'd need an ability with enough dps or else the ability is quite literally useless.

While this system would also hurt combo abilities and the most viable would just become

0 skill shit like beserker.

You'd just need to biggest hitboxes to connect over the largest area to win fights with this.

[drifting atlas]

Gravity spam meta 😱

[icy yoke]

No like

It'd legit be a meta of

Archer, Beserker, Both gravities.

Oh and baller probably too.

[terse moth]

So technically you will almost guarantee most of the wins by just being shield or heals by an abilities?

[icy yoke]

That too.

[drifting atlas]

abilities that deal damage and/or knockback without ragdolling could also be meta

like burger and maybe storm

[icy yoke]

Basically

'fun' abilities lose their meta potential

Oh yeah also spring would so be meta, they can just use their springs for their punches instead and keep their combos

[terse moth]

and you turn this game into the same garbage as slap battles

[drifting atlas]

railcannon meta, because it doesn't need combos to kill

[icy yoke]

TLDR: My response to this suggestion is

Play a different game.

[terse moth]

valid

[keen comet]

why he trynna make it like mincraft pvp physics

[terse moth]

Tbh if comboing is that much of a problems then it's probably just because skill issue

[icy yoke]

If its that much of a problem then they should play a different game.

[terse moth]

at this point they should go back to slap battles

[icy yoke]

Also there's a way easier and less screwy way to. 'Fix' this problem (that also shouldnt be added).

[drifting atlas]

DOS would be a lot stronger if it becomes uncomboable and hivemind would be a lot weaker if it cant combo

[icy yoke]

Increase kb on base m1 punches.

[terse moth]

that would be one of the biggest mistake i've for update

[icy yoke]

Oh yeah hivemind would be useless

[drifting atlas]

actually, DOS would become quite polarising: very weak until you pass a few phases, then very strong

[icy yoke]

I think this problem was already mostly solved, pretty much every ability which can speed chain got nerfed.

Or removed

Most abilities that can chain good now usually have to waste their abilities to get that big chain which makes them vulnerable.

[drifting atlas]

Alchemist is the biggest speed chainer but it's also not consistent and requires moments of safety

[jade lance]

NO. That defeats the entire fucking point of the combat system.

[terse moth]

man you gotta delete the game for that

[jade lance]

https://tenor.com/view/twisted-metal-twisted-metal-2-calypso-delete-your-message-delete-gif-1306596667246228148

[icy yoke]

I also don't think this guy realized if the next m1 is uninterruptable how are you supposed to bait it out?

[jade lance]

Fr

[icy yoke]

Like I said it'd make fights into like

A kid slamming 2 action figures together.

[jade lance]

Pokemon battles ngl. Taking shitty turns attacking eachother basically

[terse moth]

It would be extreme wasted potential for the game

[drifting atlas]

use your 0.5 seconds of superarmour to just walk forward and undo any progress the punch made 🧌

[icy yoke]

Pokemon battles where the beserker gets unrivaled superiority.

[jade lance]

Fr

[icy yoke]

Seriously beserker is eating the best from this.

Just think about it.

[terse moth]

basiclly a better ability you had, The better of the chance your pokemon is going to win💔

[drifting atlas]

custom would also enjoy this change, specifically big knockback oil custom

[icy yoke]

Oh yeah custom would too

[drifting atlas]

and god punch 😔

[icy yoke]

oh yeah I forgot

[jade lance]

Bro like I only want 1 thing changed in this game when it comes to complete removals or as you called It a "patch" as if it was a bug in the first place. I want shift removed. Every other ability can get a rework or nerf idgaf but js remove shift. Combat system is fine if ur bad js say so.

[icy yoke]

How tf are you supposed to kill a godpunch?

[drifting atlas]

Running is not just recommended, but now mandatory

[icy yoke]

Already the only viable way to melee a godpunch is to get them into 3 - 5 punch chains, then distance yourself to hit range stuff.

To beat a godpunch with default

You are now going to need to bait out at least 10 instakill punches.

With regen, its realistically 15 - 20 punches

[jade lance]

Fr bro it's like making p2w impossible to defeat, also how tf u gon do dos like this?

[icy yoke]

So... that's food for thought.

[terse moth]

are you going to forgets the fact that damage and speed potion is still there?

[icy yoke]

I mean yeah.

But alchemists are always gonna be able to kill anything with prep time

[drifting atlas]

This change would also ruin things like kick and snowball

[jade lance]

Fr

[terse moth]

no, this change would ruins most of the abilities and players as well

[drifting atlas]

and bh masteries will probably resort to more ranged spam 3rd partying if they can't use their abilities to combo

[icy yoke]

Well yeah this is just making the game entirely different

[jade lance]

This "patch" is js ruining half the game. It is possibly the WORST suggestion in the HISTORY of aw. Not even joking.

[icy yoke]

ik some people didnt like the combat change post christmas update.

(Personally I loved it)

[jade lance]

Even waifu wars is better than this shit 💔

[icy yoke]

But that still kept the games identity if not enhanced it.

[terse moth]

waifu wars is peak wym

[icy yoke]

Actually is it an unpopular opinion to say the current combat is better than the old combat?

I actually don't know

[jade lance]

Tbh I think this guy made this entire suggestion cuz he died to some teleport user or smth

[icy yoke]

I was gonna say teleport or spring

[terse moth]

i mean valid reaction, they're annoying af

[drifting atlas]

telepunchers are the bane of my existence

[icy yoke]

Teleport users are a complete pain agreed.

[jade lance]

I main teleport and I have seen people get frustrated so bad after dying. The only thing I hate is shift. I'd kill for shift to be removed or turned back to the old version where ppl would camp ledges rather than stun lock me

[jade lance]

Hi :3

[drifting atlas]

telepunch is like shift if it were instant, aimable and really good at 3rd partying

[icy yoke]

Teleport is just spring for people not good enough to run spring.

[jade lance]

I agree :D

[jade lance]

Rude

[icy yoke]

I don't like teleport users despite.

[jade lance]

I dont 3rd party

[icy yoke]

Running pulse (it counters teleport)

[jade lance]

I dont like teleport users but I still main teleport. I agree that teleport mains r annoying cuz I know the ability im using. I've used spring n alot of techs with it and it js ain't my style

[terse moth]

Imagine being able to do 20-30 combo move with a move that has a cooldowns lower than 20 seconds.

[jade lance]

I think teleport is like spring and shift condensed if that makes sense

[drifting atlas]

I'm too new to the game to have a main, but cyborg is probably the ability I use the most

[icy yoke]

Don't say, under 20 seconds

[jade lance]

What punch count u at

[icy yoke]

Teleports cd is 8 seconds, lol

[drifting atlas]

30k

[jade lance]

Yeah they nerfed it bad lol, still ain't that bad

[jade lance]

Not bad ngl, how long u been playing?

[drifting atlas]

A few weeks, I think

[icy yoke]

Teleport shouldnt have been a 6 second cooldown in the first place

[drifting atlas]

I've kind of lost track of time recently

[jade lance]

U should try n enjoy the game before u reach 100k+ where the game becomes tech filled

Pick a main based on what u enjoy playing fr

[drifting atlas]

Custom is another ability I like a lot, but I find that there isn't really much it can do outside of oil combos

[jade lance]

Ye custom, despite its name, sucks for combos.

[terse moth]

yeah you're kinda smells stinks now

[icy yoke]

You've never run Custom 97.

[terse moth]

custom deserves nothing

[icy yoke]

Aka, the funniest custom set

[drifting atlas]

custom deserves balance changes to make things other than magic dart spawners good

[jade lance]

Today I got a good 30 souls and died to a fucking custom user using the drill thing with the control thingy, it did so much fucking knockback

[terse moth]

the crits chance should be remove

[drifting atlas]

and more modifiers too, because I don't see reason to use modifiers other than crit and controller

[safe spoke]

"it straight up isn't! all you do is hold W + spam m1" Actually incorrect.

Doing that only gets like 2 hits

[jade lance]

Fr. W + spam m1 is noob territory bro 💔

[safe spoke]

"Upon getting up from a ragdoll, for 0.5s, you can't get stunned, nor ragdolled by any attack."
That is genuinely the WORST solution to this problem

[terse moth]

Plus my sleigh as festive or firework save aren't even works.

[icy yoke]

This is custom 97 btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmDd_Qzq3UY&ab_channel=Array

Skip like 14 seconds in

Its an awesome set ik

[safe spoke]

"Your next m1 will be uninterruptable.
Missing an m1 during this time will cause you to immediately lose the buff.
Using an ability will also cause you to lose the buff instantly.

To account for this, your m1 knockback is always the same."

This is even worse

[safe spoke]

yes

also

what would the game even become if combos were removed

liek

wouldn't there JUST be spamming left

[icy yoke]

Slap battles

[safe spoke]

but worse

[icy yoke]

Yeah more like

[drifting atlas]

Wow, I had no idea giga disc could do so much damage

[jade lance]

Fr bro he js wants to make the game pokemon type m1 battles, removing the unique part of the game n making it worse sb

[icy yoke]

slap battles but a map not designed for 1-3 punch battles like most slap battle interactions end up as

[jade lance]

Fr

[icy yoke]

Like I said, fights with this concept would become.

[safe spoke]

Bind user ahh suggestion

[icy yoke]

Like two action figures slamming into eachother

[safe spoke]

oh yeah

[drifting atlas]

I think it would be cool if custom's teleport projectile also acted as a spawner

[jade lance]

Bind users can go jump into the void.

[terse moth]

one single third party attack and you can clearly tells whose the winner based off who got hit by the third party attack

[safe spoke]

like. Just hold S and bait

[icy yoke]

Archer suggestion tbh, it nerfs every ability but themselves.

[safe spoke]

it aint that hard

[safe spoke]

no

shit like Pulse def aint nerfed

[icy yoke]

I main pulse, it gets nerfed.

[safe spoke]

its just spamming

[icy yoke]

Pulse has some really big chains you do with it.

[safe spoke]

so it stays the same 😊😊😊😊

[jade lance]

Pulse is annoying asf cuz it's one of the low counters to teleport (my main)

[safe spoke]

yeah im aware

I personally use BG to counter TP

[icy yoke]

Most people just solely use pulse to spam.

Even though, pulses big chain is fun as hell.

You need any type of charge then.

[jade lance]

The issue with bg users is they r INCREDIBLY easy to predict 99% of the time. I'll hold w and then use s randomly and they get confused and miss lmao

[safe spoke]

"This was inspired by battleground games, despite being slightly better stun sims, they still have some good mechanics in them."

Are the good mechanics even worse combos and blocking that doesn't do anything half the time????

[icy yoke]

Punch chain, into a one charge E, into another punch chain, into Q, into another punch chain.

[safe spoke]

ive seen that far too much

so

[icy yoke]

Yeah

[safe spoke]

spamming!!! 😊

[jade lance]

Ye I've used pulse in a couple duel matches

[icy yoke]

yk, you just dislike pulse cuz its a good tele matchup.

[jade lance]

I do duels alot to random toxic ppl, they realizd I have a high streak in duels then either leave or try their luck n die. It's the funniest way to deal with toxic ppl

[icy yoke]

Since Q combo breaks and punishes.

[terse moth]

the only problem it has is probably how it's bugs made them possibly one of the strongest abilities

[icy yoke]

I legitimately never do duels

[terse moth]

Bug god

[icy yoke]

Last time I did duels I probably had like 30k punches

[jade lance]

Fr bro after bg users hit me with e I js reset, cuz its bugs half the time js make my ability unusable

[drifting atlas]

I really do not like bug god

[jade lance]

It's so fucking annoying they needa sort out the system behind bg before the 5millionth bug appears

[drifting atlas]

I'm here to play ability wars, not punch wars

[icy yoke]

For the novelty

I will do one duel now

[safe spoke]

ewww

bind spammer

[terse moth]

there is default ability for a reasons.

[safe spoke]

stardust spammer

[jade lance]

I'm fine with a quick 1v1 It's kinda like duels, the issue is that it's so buggy.

[safe spoke]

keep running

cause thats sooooo fun

[drifting atlas]

I don't even own bind and stardust

[safe spoke]

as I could tell

[jade lance]

Hey, chill. He has 30k he can't even use stardust yet

[safe spoke]

you probably have never tried actually punching

[safe spoke]

keep running bubble main

[drifting atlas]

there are abilities that are made for non-runner playstyles, you know that right?

[icy yoke]

Ok.

[safe spoke]

punching.

duh

its called punching

[jade lance]

Duels is INCREDIBLY out of date and inactive alot of the time

[safe spoke]

so without playing "punch wars"

[jade lance]

Same with half the other gamemodes

[drifting atlas]

Yes, and the abilities that synergise with punching

[safe spoke]

youre just a coward

[terse moth]

just fights back it's not even that hard

[safe spoke]

yeah, and without comboing, you are kinda just a coward

keep running

u dont want to play punch wars

so dont punch

keep using Time

[icy yoke]

I didnt even know duels still had coffee

[safe spoke]

nobody is here to judge you

just keep runningggg

[safe spoke]

im entering duels

[jade lance]

@safe spoke What did this guy do to you.. he said 1 bad thing about blood god. Cool off alright

[drifting atlas]

Stop making these assumptions about me based on me wanting to use abilities in the game about abilities

[jade lance]

Ye its really out of date lmao

[icy yoke]

Me resisting the urge to suggest removing coffee from duels.

The coffee users will not get any happiness

[safe spoke]

"based on me wanting to use abilities in the game about abilities"

you literally said you don't want to punch. I don't think im assuming.

[safe spoke]

SUGGEST IT

[jade lance]

Js for the record I'm not defending him I'm js saying ur a tad bit overreacting alr

[safe spoke]

ik ik

[drifting atlas]

I want to punch and use abilities, but bug god takes away the abilities

[safe spoke]

i've entered duels

[jade lance]

If u make a suggestion abt updating any gamemode it'll probably be ignored. The devs forget abt them

[terse moth]

Because that's the freaking point of the ability

[drifting atlas]

and I'm free to not like it for doing that

[jade lance]

Fr

[icy yoke]

Yeah true

[terse moth]

Well too bad, Gotta accept the death then

[jade lance]

Ur free to dislike the ability, but not bc it does what it's made for

[drifting atlas]

i dunno, plenty of people dislike god punch for doing what it's made for

[terse moth]

the fight depends on skills, If your opponent switched into blood god for spamming, Then it's valid reaction. you're just kinda deserved it

[safe spoke]

nah

the TB one was added

[jade lance]

God punch is made for making the devs easy money. People dislike it because it makes newer players not able to experience the game because they immediately buy it and then leave to never play again after 30 minutes if being bullied for p2w. It js ruins the experience for newbies and ruins the expieri for non p2w players.

[jade lance]

Yeah it's still buggy as fuck tho 😭

I refuse to touch that gamemode unless it's for an ability obtainment

[safe spoke]

XD

i hate team battles

[jade lance]

Fr, and for some reason the too lesderboard players use it as a way to grind

Like bro why 💀

Js play duels it's faster n same reward

[safe spoke]

yeah

[safe spoke]

almost same reward

I fought Twin

with 300 ping

[jade lance]

Anyway ima go, back to the original suggestion, it's ass. Delete it before u make others want to bleach their eyes out. Bye chat :)

[drifting atlas]

Using abilities is also (except in some cases)a skill, so switching to the anti-abilities ability doesn't neccesarily mean that someone is better at the game

[tame oyster]

i feel like lag combos could be fixed by making the second m1 in a row have slightly more kb

[terse moth]

That's pretty much because you had skill issue, Also blood god grab is avoidable

[tame oyster]

by lag combos i mean when your ping is so bad the opponent freezes when you punch them making it easier to catch up to their destination

[terse moth]

that's how the lower players defeating the players who had a better abilities

[drifting atlas]

How would you avoid it at close range, though?

[terse moth]

why are you even getting close at the first places?

[tame oyster]

bait it out

[icy yoke]

I have not found a effective way to avoid blood god once I get hit into a single m1

[drifting atlas]

blood god has mobility, it can come to you if it wants to

[icy yoke]

They got Q, which gives em mobility to close distance on non mobility abilities

[safe spoke]

are u still in duels :/

[icy yoke]

Nope

[safe spoke]

😭😭😭

I had to fight Twin with 300 ping TWICE

[terse moth]

honestly, even if they can catches up it's still doesn't means that the grab will be directly hit the opponent

it takes skills to aim and dodges

[icy yoke]

Not guaranteed but does make it pretty easy to

[terse moth]

I'm gonna be honest, if your skill is that so low then i don't thinks you should even deserves a win if you're spamming so

[tame oyster]

speaking of blood god

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/jBOZWfow3DnX0HzRg

here’s a bg user who tried to use it on bb (bb was punished for its crimes this update) and used it the one time i was in the air

[terse moth]

Low costs abilities can dodges, that's the point

[drifting atlas]

to be honest, I might be jaded against blood gods because a lot of the ones i've faced have ping issues or something

[safe spoke]

bros the best fesive user

as said by ur bio

[drifting atlas]

they will often land punches from seemingly impossible distances

[safe spoke]

NO

THEY CHANGED THEIR BIO

[terse moth]

yes

[tame oyster]

Ping issue

[safe spoke]

all of them have ping issues

Here in Ability Wars

EVERYONE REACHES

untold law

jjust everyone knows

[drifting atlas]

There must be some kind of disparity between what the client sees and what the server sees

[molten lichen]

Knew this suggestion was bad from first glance, first to hate confidently

[tame oyster]

oddly enough some things in this game are client based while others are based on your opponents client

like punching hitbox is on your client but something like magnet mastery depends on where you are on their client

[molten lichen]

Prob to be able to calculate the pushing

[tame oyster]

and really fast projectiles tend to be undodgeable since you have to dodge them before you can see them

[molten lichen]

Punching hit box is client sided, punch knockback direction is server sided, that’s what makes flicking possible

[tame oyster]

oh yeah flicking with bb is absolutely insane since the hitbox is active for a while

[molten lichen]

True

[tame oyster]

bb has a thinner hitbox than punching but it lasts a lot longer

[molten lichen]

They nerfed it a lot

Especially fire brand

[tame oyster]

firebrand isn’t viable anymore

personally i use the pizza

it lets you literally tank everything

you can end battles on full health

literally take on the whole server at once

then when i switch to another ability and try to take on the whole server at once i often find i get quite low on health

😭

[tame oyster]

the slice i mean

the goons are kind of useless

banana is very interesting

[molten lichen]

Ima go make a suggestion to make alchemist combos more skill based

Other than just nerfing speed

[molten lichen]

Heavily nerfed

Like too nerfed

[tame oyster]

because it’s an extra projectile/mobility to add to the already existing projectile/mobility that bb already has

[molten lichen]

Size: terrible
Stun: terrible

[tame oyster]

You can use banana as mobility

[molten lichen]

Like cake riding type mobility?

[tame oyster]

Yes

a lot further than cake ride

[molten lichen]

Never even tried that

[tame oyster]

and i think if you sit it sends you even further

not only can you cross the map once over with the rjump+sit

but you can use the banana as well to cross it twice over

[terse moth]

actually it's hitbox heights is also increased alot more

That's why they're being able to hits people when they're around mid air

[tame oyster]

and i can’t hit the unmas ufo 😭

It’s possible to get on the unmas ufo with bb but the user is too low for the sword to hit

maybe i have to sit emote

[icy yoke]

If you ever wanna let your rage out on unmastered UFOs

Pulse or BH mastery are both

Great counters to them

[tame oyster]

Shift

[icy yoke]

BH mastery is more effective and consistent.

Oh yeah shift too

Pulse has a special mental game interaction where

If they try to kill you

[tame oyster]

i found this out on the aw wiki channel

[icy yoke]

They get punished with Q

[tame oyster]

check it out

[icy yoke]

So you do it to them once or twice

And then they will avoid killing you

[tame oyster]

Unmas ufo feels like it would be great support dps

Imagine corralling a dos into it

[icy yoke]

Wdym like?

Support to kill a DoS?

Cuz BH mastery is an example of really good support in killing a DoS and

Supporting the dos too

[tame oyster]

to kill like anyone

[icy yoke]

Yeah fair

BH mastery is still really good for it.

[tame oyster]

yeah bounty mas is kind of just

[icy yoke]

They can just net the dos to slow them

And make an alchemist or godpunch connection easier

As for helping the dos you can snipe engineers out alchemists out

Or make a godpunch easier to hit

[tame oyster]

extremely fast projectile + slightly slower projectile that slows

[icy yoke]

Yep

[tame oyster]

It also has auto aim

for some reason

And extremely low cd

[icy yoke]

I don’t really think it’s an auto aim it just

[tame oyster]

And the wall climbing passive

[icy yoke]

Has a dishonest hitbox on E

Yeah I was plying around with it earlier for a change of something to play and

Yeah it’s just really good especially up close surprisingly

Q opens up to easy combo starts and E is a good way to end combos

[polar helm]

do you have ANY IDEA how this will impact the meta

[polar helm]

No that would be archer

Archer already shreds berserker

This guy really doesn't think about the consequences

This just buffs archer arrow chains

[icy yoke]

Yeah actually archer wins from this for being

Pretty much the only ability to not get a direct nerf besides probably crusher

[polar helm]

baller probably too

this is just awful

The meta goes from mildy inconvenient

to outright stupid

[icy yoke]

The meta goes from mildly inconvenient

to a ability damage output competition

Any competitive nature of the game gets completely bastardized with this concept

Legitimately a change like this would make the ONLY purpose of punching to be a way to space someone away from you.

So you can use a big aoe ability like a berserker hit or something.

Slap battles type stuff.

[polar helm]

Also if you want to nerf berserker then give it higher cooldowns that get recharged faster when hitting players

[icy yoke]

Not saying to nerf it.

What I’m just saying is

[polar helm]

Ik

[icy yoke]

In a meta like this

It’d be so dominant

[polar helm]

My problem with this is

It would just completely break archer

Archer is already a DPS powerhouse, this nerfs the dps of every other ability

[icy yoke]

Sure is

I’m only talking about this on theoreticals because none of this would happen anyways but

I guarantee in a world this somehow did

Archers would be everywhere making the game not even feel like ability wars anymore then

Archer gets nuked by a 30% damage nerf or something

Or the power on uncharged shots is lowered

[small prairie]

no, it was the fact that you get m1 stun immunity when getting up from a ragdoll. do you even play them? because if you did, you would know this.

[small prairie]

if i hold S, I still get hit with 3 unavoidable m1s (are AB players really this dumb?)

[small prairie]

the combat is being a stun sim???

[jagged flower]

just walk backwards it’s not that hard

[small prairie]

The current combat is a stun sim and its already just "two action figures repatedly bumping into eachother until one dies" instead of bumping into each, its 5 hour long combo each other

[small prairie]

(and long combos)

[small prairie]

so more skill?

[small prairie]

thats what i did, i now play deepwoken instead of the trash that is abillity wars, just tryna suggest somt thatll make it better

[polar helm]

Dude your suggestion makes the game worse

[small prairie]

doing true combos is skill-less (even if its the point of the game, still skill-less and can be cut out the game fully)

[small prairie]

in your opinion

[polar helm]

Ok here's how to prevent combos

Number 1

Stun them before they stun you

Number 2

Use a combo escape/cancel ability

Number 3

just outrange them

Number 4

Just kill them before they even have a chance

[small prairie]

1. getting hit shouldnt leed to a long, true combo. it just leeds to passive players because no one wants to die that fast.
2. Not every ability has an evasive
3. So just play passive is what ur suggesting
4. Stun lock them before they stun lock you is what your suggesting

[small prairie]

@polar helm

[small prairie]

yeah, getting stun locked in a corner is SO MUCH better than that

[polar helm]

1: it should cause that gives abilities a good way of dealing consistent dps, otherwise the game gets reduced to ability spam
2: quite a lot of abilities can escape combos, plus you can hold S to make you go farther
3: I mean you can also go evil melee archer mode if you want
4: yep

[small prairie]

walk backwards and you still get hit by 3-2 unavoidable m1s

[jagged flower]

that isn’t a long combo, isn’t it?

[jade lance]

I'm not going to argue with you because it's like talking to someone who doesn't understand that their suggestion is just making the game pokemon battles taking turns punching eachother. Your suggestion is ass.

[jade lance]

Holding S button isn't that hard.

I think this is just in general a skill issue.

[jade lance]

Your calling aw players dumb???? Look at the reactions to your suggestion. You made possibly the worst suggestion possible. We are not the dumb ones here

[small prairie]

"trust me bro"

[small prairie]

hold S and you get hit with 3 unavoidable m1s 😲

[small prairie]

if it isnt a stun sim, its bait spam

[polar helm]

Your suggestion just encourages ability spam

This makes stuff like archer actually broken

[sleek karma]

too broken

[marsh nimbus]

maybe you are lagging if you still get hit even walking backwards...

[small prairie]

maybe this wouldnt happen if the game's combat wasnt so shit

[marsh nimbus]

🦗

[small prairie]

idk why yall in favor of a inconsistant way of combo escaping

[formal garnet]

whats wrong with it bro

[small prairie]

playing passive is too good

unavoidable damage

[formal garnet]

then you play passive

[small prairie]

playing passive is boring

[formal garnet]

lowk a you problem

like..

[small prairie]

unreactable attacks

[formal garnet]

Im You.

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-snow-mahito-snow-mahito-yuji-i-am-you-gif-16137795206299105315

[small prairie]

playing passively shouldnt be WAY better than playing aggresively

[formal garnet]

who do u even have a problem with

90 percent of this games community plays like doodo

doodoo

[small prairie]

when they play like doodoo they get so much rewards

[formal garnet]

that just means your doodoo

💔

[small prairie]

this is the main thing tho

just leeds to spamming your wasd in hopes of baiting out ur opponent

[marsh nimbus]

use card

[formal garnet]

no one has had a problem with this

[formal garnet]

Wow Spamming Your Moving Controls

[small prairie]

waawaawawdasasdwadws, thats spamming idk what your point is

[small prairie]

doesnt matter

[small prairie]

long ass cooldown

[formal garnet]

fym

[small prairie]

it doesnt matter what other people think of this problem, this is what i think

[marsh nimbus]

it cover all your problem

[formal garnet]

ok

[small prairie]

no it doesnt

[formal garnet]

if you want combos to di3

[marsh nimbus]

[formal garnet]

then increase kb on m1

which is still not that good

[small prairie]

the game needs a full combat rework to be any better, all solutions for these problems are becasue ability wars is ability wars

[formal garnet]

yap

[ornate heron]

remove it for alchemist only

[small prairie]

fr, i dont know what you are talking about tho

[formal garnet]

fym bo

[small prairie]

deadass

[formal garnet]

js nrf

that

[small prairie]

not even just alch, every speed boost needs to be removed

[formal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-snow-mahito-snow-mahito-yuji-i-am-you-gif-16137795206299105315

https://tenor.com/view/saber-cry-gif-24790154

[small prairie]

this game needs to add parrying or somt idk

[ornate heron]

block

[formal garnet]

skyift

skyrift

[ornate heron]

dodge

[marsh nimbus]

paladin ability?

[small prairie]

for like every ability

[ornate heron]

that's just a weird form of blocking

[marsh nimbus]

[formal garnet]

this aint a battlegrounds game bro

its ability wars

thats how ability wars needs to be

[true remnant]

how many suggestions can we get in a week that turns the game into slap battles

[small prairie]

no long true combos = slap battles

anythign related to slap battles = bad

[true remnant]

i mean regardless this would absolutely ruin the game

basically everything would need a rework

allat cause... u dont like the way the devs built the game

[mighty rune]

skill up and become the spammer because this isn't happening

it would require tearing this game up

[marsh nimbus]

I wonder how many dislikes would this got

[mighty rune]

slap battles also has random crazy knock back and weird hit boxes that ruin any sort of combat so I think making a direct comparison to them is not the best idea

[small prairie]

Hold W + spam m1 so skilled..

[formal garnet]

man thinks this is tf2

💔

we aint using phlog pyro

[small prairie]

i was mocking the people who brought up slap battles

[small prairie]

if everything in the game requires your opponent to be a sitting duck to even work, then every thing in the game is poorly designed

[formal garnet]

then dont play

[small prairie]

i dont play the game💔 the only times i play is when there's an event (only because of fear of missing out) usally disapointed when i get the ability

[formal garnet]

then dont suggest

if u dont play

💔

[true remnant]

???

[small prairie]

I want the game to be playable 💔

[true remnant]

hit trading is a game now apparently.

[small prairie]

you wont hit trade if you let your opponent fight back

(slap battles hit trade)

[formal garnet]

why would u let him

[small prairie]

becasue you cant true combo him cuz of the hyper armor

[formal garnet]

what

[small prairie]

the hyperarmor exist, so youd let him fight back

[formal garnet]

just use god punch bro

💔

[true remnant]

this existed and got removed for a reason

[small prairie]

reason: no likey

[true remnant]

conclusion: it isnt getting readded.

[small prairie]

reason: no true combos

[formal garnet]

slightly increasing the kb on m1s is more tolerable than this

[true remnant]

thats literally your reason for trying to add this shit 💔

[icy yoke]

I don’t think you understand this just patches pretty much ANY combo in general.

[true remnant]

u no likey the current system

[small prairie]

any true combo

[icy yoke]

Punching is no longer your main damaging tool it becomes a spacing tool

This is just straight up stupid and would gut the games fighting

[small prairie]

no, its to remove long true combos that bore you

[true remnant]

bore you yes

youre like

one of two people who dislike this system

[small prairie]

one of two people who like good combat

[mighty rune]

never said it was, just saying they're never patching long combos because that would require tearing up the entire game code and reworking just about everything because even default can do a 2-3 long punch combo

[small prairie]

tolerable combat*

[true remnant]

GOOD??

GOOD???

YOU FIND BAITING EVERY .5S GOOD?????

[small prairie]

tolerable*

[formal garnet]

im maining gp after this

heh.

[small prairie]

you alr do that in the game but alright

[mighty rune]

naw do dos, way funnier

[formal garnet]

gp more skill bro

gp highest skill ability

in all of aw

[true remnant]

except your system makes it repeat alot more

[mighty rune]

🤯

[formal garnet]

on everyones soul other than mine

[icy yoke]

You can’t main dos if this was added unless you friend farmed the first few kills

[small prairie]

and a lot less stun so its a good sacirfice

[icy yoke]

You can only get void kills but from people right on the ledge

[mighty rune]

what, we weren't even talking about this feature anymore but for regular gameplay

[icy yoke]

Oh.

[true remnant]

"good"

hilarious!

funny!

[formal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-snow-mahito-snow-mahito-yuji-i-am-you-gif-16137795206299105315

[true remnant]

99.99% of the community currently disagrees on it being a good sacrifice!

[small prairie]

ok and?

[formal garnet]

Ok and

Ok and

Ok and

[small prairie]

im not 99.99% of the community

[mighty rune]

The and is they're not liking this

[small prairie]

why even bring it up[

[true remnant]

correct! youre the 00.01%

therefore if we took an opinion of a SINGLE person

[mighty rune]

Because their votes are what makes or breaks your suggestion

[true remnant]

this game wouldve died

[small prairie]

i know that this got x bombed

thanks for pointing out the obvious

[formal garnet]

then why remake it

😭

[mighty rune]

real question

[small prairie]

to see if yall changed your minds

plus its just a SUGGESTION

[true remnant]

nope, wont happen
get a new game ok thanks

[icy yoke]

Nobody is changing their minds on wanting the combat system if this game entirely gutted, lol

[true remnant]

and weve concluded that your suggestion is holy mid

[formal garnet]

that we disagreed with

[icy yoke]

This is a schizo take only you’d want

[mighty rune]

Right but we're pointing out what's wrong with it because you didn't take the first bit of criticism so we'd like to make it known

[small prairie]

less stun = schizo ok

[formal garnet]

make every hoj attack oneshot

plsss

[small prairie]

whats is wrong with this i forgot

[formal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/run-twin-run-cat-gif-11721473836057368714

[mighty rune]

no, gutting the entire game's combat and almost all ability features because you want pvp to be slightly better

[icy yoke]

Believe it or not, people in the ability wars discord are more likely to like the game & its current combat… If you think a suggestion gutting the combat system that people already have spent countless hours playing with would agree.

You’re not just wrong you’re plain stupid.

[small prairie]

explain how its gutting

[mighty rune]

Because you'd have to rework every ability to change their stun, knock back, and all sorts of things

[formal garnet]

okok

ok

k

o

k

o

k

im bored

[small prairie]

good sacrifice

[formal garnet]

sk1bidi ability when

[true remnant]

sacrificing the game yeah ok buddy

okkk

[small prairie]

this game combat is shit, i would prefer shit with sprinkles on it

[astral wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335787076624318557/1336535282249633854/kill_ufo.gif

[true remnant]

THEN WHY PLAY THE GAME

ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID

[small prairie]

I dont'!!!!

[true remnant]

strongest battlegrounds is NEXT DOOR

LEAVE

[small prairie]

i said that like 500 trillion times!!

[true remnant]

➡️ 🚪

RIGHT THERE

[mighty rune]

right but you're not the one coding or a developer

[small prairie]

I don't like that game either!!

[mighty rune]

If you don't play why even suggest

Seems a little pointless

[small prairie]

coding takes time therefore suggestion bad

[true remnant]

then go play a game that u like

[formal garnet]

rework EVERY ability

over 70 abilities btw

[true remnant]

dude this would be like a 3 year project with checken in charge

[small prairie]

i do, im just makiong a suggestion so that i can actually like AB

[mighty rune]

It's bad because you expect them to recode everything just because you have an issue with PvP in specific

[small prairie]

i have so many hours on it, just wasted

[mighty rune]

No way

[formal garnet]

how many punches

[polar helm]

This sucks

[small prairie]

3 years for good gameplay

[polar helm]

Can you shut up already

[true remnant]

3 years for a game thatll completely get obliterated by then

[polar helm]

People hate this

[small prairie]

alr guys im guys im trolling rn yall can scream into a wall all yall want

[icy yoke]

1. You make punch not a viable source of damage it’s not a weak spacing tool because you give people time punch back.
2. It’s not even a good source of getting void kills because it’s a single spacing tool that works for one punch.
3. This shit feels like it’s designed for berserkers and other 0 skill ceiling abilities that rely on big damage output and barely even punching. (These abilities are weak to being closed in on and chained now there’s nothing for them) This will make the game into a ‘who has the most damage on their aoe attacks’ contest.

[formal garnet]

had a stroke reading that

also u arent trolling

[icy yoke]

Yeah you’re not trolling you just realized pretty much nobody agrees with you.

[polar helm]

And this indirectly buffs archer into the "completely broken" category

[icy yoke]

Ok true

[polar helm]

This turns the game into a dps contest

Default users are screwed over so much

[formal garnet]

dismantle this fool

[polar helm]

Dos*

[true remnant]

default too bro

[formal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-vs-maho-sukuna-slice-sukuna-slash-sukuna-cleave-sukuna-attack-gif-3564216804798056365

[astral wadi]

stalling abilities would become insane if this happened (they already are)

[true remnant]

the new players

[polar helm]

Pretty much any ability that relies in M1 combos like soda gets screwed over

[true remnant]

how would the new players even get soda or tp

[icy yoke]

I should make a list of abilities which get destroyed by this change

[formal garnet]

make it a suggestion too!

trust.

[icy yoke]

Oh also punch grinding would be make WAAAAAAY harder

[true remnant]

spoiler alert: || basically all of them ||

[icy yoke]

Well I mean like, especially ruined

[formal garnet]

whens the hoj buff rolling in

[polar helm]

Archer literally gets indirectly buffed

[icy yoke]

Like I’m a pulse main, I lose one of my favorite combos to do

[formal garnet]

how u even main pulse

[icy yoke]

But my ability isn’t completely gutted since it makes the game an AoE contest

[true remnant]

ok fine
with some exceptions: || PLAY STARSCAPE and god punch ||

[icy yoke]

It’s fun trust

[formal garnet]

i tried to main it

but

didnt find any suitable combo

[polar helm]

Gravity users too

[icy yoke]

You need to have good control of the orb otherwise

[formal garnet]

the E deals like half hp though

[icy yoke]

You just spam it till it explodes on you for results

[formal garnet]

or 40

[icy yoke]

It’s 50 and

Yeah it probably deserves a nerf

[formal garnet]

and the Q can combo break pretty nicely

[polar helm]

More starting danage less max damage

Isn't that what you wanted?

[icy yoke]

I should recommend this poster to use pulse

They can chain break

[formal garnet]

that doesnt rlly fix

wont this just make them spam it

at 0 speed

for a good amount of damage

[polar helm]

ok yeah I barely use pulse

[icy yoke]

Nah

I like the balance

0 charge orbs do like

No damage they really are just for

[polar helm]

Probably shouldn't suggest stuff for it

[icy yoke]

Combo extending and ending

Though there’s a

[polar helm]

You know what DOES need a change tho

Give custom starting cooldowns

[formal garnet]

loow

taaper

[icy yoke]

Early charge tech pulse has

[formal garnet]

fade

[polar helm]

shut up

[formal garnet]

no

im this close to suggesting a hoj buff

[icy yoke]

Where you can punch your orb when you spawn it to have a lv 1 charge at the start

[formal garnet]

or revamp

[icy yoke]

So it gives it a little more damage

[formal garnet]

just hit it like five times against a wall

then on someon

half hp

then just combo break with ur q

😭😭

[icy yoke]

Pulse is peak though, it punishes people who play both too aggressive and passively

It just

[formal garnet]

it punishes everyone bro

[icy yoke]

Gets really hard countered by

Nah.

Abilities with shields, Iframes & Deflects

[formal garnet]

did they nerf or buff tp

[icy yoke]

Are pulses biggest weakness

[formal garnet]

they buffed it last update and nerf it this update

i think

the buff was nothing useful

[icy yoke]

Plasma, Crystal, Magnet Mast

Can all obliterate pulse

[formal garnet]

no one uses

2 of those

[icy yoke]

I’ve seen crystal users

[polar helm]

archer

[formal garnet]

it got NERFED bro

for no reason

it wasnt even that good

i know checken hates speed

[icy yoke]

It got in the crossfire of

Having speed

Yeah

[formal garnet]

yeah

gang wheres the crystal rework

[icy yoke]

Crystal is good

[polar helm]

Crystal mastery trust

[icy yoke]

I’d argue

Crystal is a better freeze

It’s a more defensive freeze

[formal garnet]

freeze got extra m1 damage

and prolly better comboes

crystal stomp got goofy ass hitbox

[icy yoke]

And crystal combo breaks

[formal garnet]

shit is so big

[icy yoke]

And crystal stomp

Can be used on multiple levels of terrain

Which is something Crystal users like never do even though it can be so good on maps like classic

[formal garnet]

no one uses it

you rarely see 1 crystal user

in a server

[icy yoke]

Also.

Crystal’s shield has

A 47% uptime I’ve checked

So it’s 47% of the time

The crystal can freely heal while

You get punished for fighting back

[formal garnet]

what does uptime mean

[icy yoke]

The total time the ability is active vs the cooldown of it

So it’s active for 47% of the cooldown

[formal garnet]

oh

so basically it got half the cooldown

[icy yoke]

More like half the time you’re fighting a Crystal you can’t fight back

Plasma has the same uptime too

[formal garnet]

Q

[icy yoke]

It’s ridiculous and people just

Don’t use it

I mean

Don’t talk about it

[formal garnet]

crystal doesnt give speed anymore

so its

not as good

[icy yoke]

Well

Crystal I understand not bringing up as much

[radiant quarry]

pulse when archer on an elevated surface:

[icy yoke]

Meteor them.

[radiant quarry]

the d key:

[icy yoke]

However,

[formal garnet]

stone is a devolved version of crystal

[icy yoke]

Plasma is absurd as shit for having a 47% uptime

[formal garnet]

like geniunely its so bad

[radiant quarry]

oh yeah this suggestion sucks

[icy yoke]

Stone is horrible the armor makes you

Pretty much more vulnerable to damage

[formal garnet]

why are we still talking here bru

[radiant quarry]

if you don't like how the core combat mechanics of the game works

then quit

[icy yoke]

Stone needs a buff

[radiant quarry]

easy solution

if you think battlegrounds are better

[icy yoke]

Just make stone into a plasma shield at home and

[radiant quarry]

then go play those

[icy yoke]

Make it reduce damage too

[formal garnet]

it needs a complete rework bro

[radiant quarry]

ability wars is ability wars

[icy yoke]

I disagree

[formal garnet]

stone is LITERALLY crystal if it was bad

[icy yoke]

Stones E (whichever the rock is)

[radiant quarry]

and clearly the current combat system is what people prefer

[icy yoke]

Is actually a pretty good move

It’s the super armor which is terrible

[radiant quarry]

seeing how the community responded to the last attempt

at changing pvp

[formal garnet]

YEAH

ITS LITERALLY BETTER WITHOUT ARMOR

[icy yoke]

Yeah

[formal garnet]

the armor increases ur hitbox or some shit

[icy yoke]

It’s not that

It’s that it

[radiant quarry]

it doesn't prevent hitstun right

[icy yoke]

Makes it so you can’t stagger but take full damage

So you can just

Spam click on a stone and get 2-3 hits in each time

Plasma has that too

But plasmas shields damage is so reduced that

It’s like tickling them

And you’re powering up their E

[radiant quarry]

eh

they can't punch because the shield doesn't prevent hitstun

so if you spam fast

you can deal like a third of their health

for free basically

[icy yoke]

I’ve been meaning to try that

[radiant quarry]

don't know if it works with default

but with speed or range

yeah

[icy yoke]

Especially since plasmas are the bane of my existence

[radiant quarry]

pretty sure plasma eats pulse regardless

[icy yoke]

Plasma is the biggest counter to all the type of abilities I like running

[radiant quarry]

too much raw damage

[icy yoke]

Yeah they do

[true remnant]

i honestly expected plasma to be more of a debuffer but it is what it is

[icy yoke]

Plasma pretty much destroys anything without mobility or super armor

[radiant quarry]

plasma when archer spam

[icy yoke]

Archer is

Just weird to count

It is just its own game

Though with this suggestion

[radiant quarry]

Archer is good because of bad game design

[icy yoke]

The game might become archer wars

[radiant quarry]

literally

anything else would become useless

[icy yoke]

I have a list of abilities which stay good

[radiant quarry]

he basically wants us to not punch anymore

[icy yoke]

It’s not big

And it’s stuff people don’t like fighting against so

lol

[radiant quarry]

ironically this suggestion only benefits things people dislike

that is, very high speed abilities/one shots/very high range abilities

alch

god

archer

[icy yoke]

Godpunch becomes virtually unkillable with this

Besides if you have range

[formal garnet]

i main gp gang

praise me

[icy yoke]

Don’t forget Berserker

[formal garnet]

glaze me

[icy yoke]

Stardust too

[radiant quarry]

I am going to god punch your house

[formal garnet]

y

[icy yoke]

Also jello / bone stay decent

Meteor too

[radiant quarry]

freeze is gonna become even more annoying

and bounty hunter

[icy yoke]

Yeah freeze crystal

[radiant quarry]

mas

[icy yoke]

It’s basically abilities that have their weakness being

Tank or bait out their unavoidable aoe and chain them

That now become unstoppable and the forced meta

[radiant quarry]

spring would quite literally bypass this completely

[icy yoke]

Yeah and spring

Though they’d still be nerfed

[formal garnet]

conclusion

this sucks

[icy yoke]

Correct.

[radiant quarry]

pretty much

[terse moth]

pvp changes wasn't an easy idea at the first places so this sucks

[radiant quarry]

I don't think OP knows about holding S

[wild pollen]

i aint reading all that

[icy yoke]

He doesn’t

[polar helm]

I mean it IS the definition of a knife vs a gun

Archer is built to be either bad or extremely strong

[icy yoke]

Archer mains when pre nerfed alchemist targets them

[radiant quarry]

the only reason archer is good is because it for some reason counts as punching

[radiant quarry]

siphoning?

[icy yoke]

Nah just swiftness

[radiant quarry]

pre nerf siphoning was disgusting

[radiant quarry]

that will do nothing

[icy yoke]

Siphoning is still disgusting

[polar helm]

Fortunately it doesn't exist anymore

[radiant quarry]

yeah but now it requires 3 pots

before

[polar helm]

And we have the less broken but still broken current alch mas

[radiant quarry]

it only required 1

[icy yoke]

They can close the distance easier.

And then chain but

[radiant quarry]

and then what?

get hitstunned to death

[icy yoke]

They aren’t that good anymore

[radiant quarry]

archer can break combos even when ragdolled

[polar helm]

Wdym required 1

[radiant quarry]

Siphoning dealt like 50 dmg over time and the mushrooms dealt like 10 per hit, plus they ragdolled and knocked you up like unmas mushrooms

you were basically guaranteed to get stunlocked and die

[polar helm]

Ok what the fuck was checken thinking

[tame oyster]

hold w and spam 1 when the anti combo ability:

[tame oyster]

the only problem i have is the lag combos

when your ping is so bad the opponent freezes when you punch them making it much easier to get to their destination

realistically if the opponent is holding S you should only be able to get like 2 punches in a row at default walkspeed

[safe spoke]

*more running

[hidden depot]

super armor for smash bros

[safe spoke]

"if i hold S, I still get hit with 3 unavoidable m1s (are AB players really this dumb?"

I mean, it works. Also.. So what if you get hit by 2-3 hits.
Like actually, so what??
2-3 hits is nowhere near the "TRUE combos" you've been complaining about.

"no, it was the fact that you get m1 stun immunity when getting up from a ragdoll. do you even play them? because if you did, you would know this."

So if I punch someone... They don't get stunned, during this specific circumstance. Battlegrounds games are so clunky.
I'd rather a different fix than having punches be unresponsive.

also 2-3 hits only deal like 20 - 30 damage

so like its the same as being hit by an ability

(its easier to hit someone with an ability.)

[polar helm]

This makes archer meta, not a good suggestion

If this happened, the use rate of archer would spike so much

[safe spoke]

i might main Bomb Mastery

Alchemist mastery