Spring nerf ideas

[fallow flare]

u cant dodge stuff like freeze or crystal unless you bait them

[eager cliff]

Or just run the entire fight

And use your range to hit them away

[fallow flare]

run the entire fight is literally not fighting

[eager cliff]

But whos stopping you from choosing that option anytime

[fallow flare]

its like bounty hunter or baller

[eager cliff]

You can do it while being in a combo

[fallow flare]

spring might be annoying but it would be more annoying seeing you having an argument with these braindead stuff

u cant even keep an argument firm

[eager cliff]

Dont go to insulting stay on topic

[fallow flare]

ur talking about spring being dangerous because of... 'running???!!'

crazy

[eager cliff]

And amazing range with a 3 second cd

Technically 1.5 considering you have two abilities

[fallow flare]

would u consider spring dangerous if u have their counters?

[eager cliff]

Yes

[fallow flare]

thats it

I proved my point

[quiet breach]

I JUST DIED AS SPRING

OH MY GOD

AFTER 15 MINUTES

FIRST TIME I DIED

[eager cliff]

Because anyone skilled with spring can still combo you to void even if your the counter

Actually scratch that

[fallow flare]

I cant even keep up with these braindead ideas

[eager cliff]

Semi skilled

[fallow flare]

so like any plasma

if the plasma is enough skilled

u die by damage

if someone is very skilled with grapple

u die by grapple

if u get caught by time or god

u die by damage/fling

[eager cliff]

The difference is spring can be unlocked with 10k punches and is still insanely good with almost no prior experience with it

[fallow flare]

what about grapple, buff, plant

plant can infinitely combo

and u can use the seeds for I-frames that just make u dodge

[eager cliff]

Excellent mobility and amazing range and amazing cd’s that can be used with no skill

[fallow flare]

cd and range are just stats

we are talking about techniques

[eager cliff]

That can be nerfed

[quiet breach]

"age is just a number"

"numbers are just a stat":

"age is just a playerstat"

[fallow flare]

Im still right

[quiet breach]

WOAH THERE BUDDY

[quiet breach]

MODS

[eager cliff]

Thats like giving plasma a 10 sec cd on laser and saying its just a stat

[fallow flare]

compare the damage or impact of spring 3cd ability

plasma has 3 ability slots

and the 3cd from spring is just a small ranged hit

[eager cliff]

That has excellent movement capabilities and range

[quiet breach]

yeah the knockback is just like a punch

amazing for combos

[fallow flare]

I bet u couldnt even do a combo with spring

[eager cliff]

You broke your combo? Use E to extend or to hunt the player down!

[quiet breach]

we are saying it takes zero skill

no shit we can do it☠️☠️

[fallow flare]

so u cant do a combo with spring and ur calling it 'zero skill'

[upbeat tartan]

remove spring, add hand god

[eager cliff]

You dont need to do combos with it for it to be good

[fallow flare]

thats my point

[quiet breach]

no are you stupid?

[fallow flare]

spring is good by its own but it could be better if ur good with it

[quiet breach]

are you actually stupid?

did you not READ what I have JUST SAID?

[eager cliff]

You have probably the best movement in the game that takes no skill to do

[fallow flare]

but can u, can u do a combo

[quiet breach]

"we are saying it takes zero skill
no shit we can do it☠️☠️"

what part of this says I can't

are you stupid?

[eager cliff]

What your going by is that if a player uses it effectively its very good

[quiet breach]

do u need brain surgery?

alfonso

[eager cliff]

Why dont you prove to us on how its no skill

[fallow flare]

bet u cant

[quiet breach]

you are being so ironic, that it can cure anemia

[eager cliff]

Why dont you solve the problem yourself

[fallow flare]

whats ur server region

[eager cliff]

Prove to us how its not no skilled

[quiet breach]

he can't

[fallow flare]

I can

[eager cliff]

Then do it

[fallow flare]

whats ur server region

[quiet breach]

tell us

[fallow flare]

whats ur server region

[quiet breach]

unknown

[eager cliff]

Nah stop bringing up server region

[quiet breach]

unknown

[eager cliff]

Ping varies and cant be used effectively

[fallow flare]

Im not talking about that

[quiet breach]

not even ping

it's latency

[fallow flare]

I think if u could enter my priv server

and see what u can do with spring

unless ur bad with it and ur just lying

[eager cliff]

We dont care about the potential bro

Prove to us on how its not no skilled

Not the things you can do with skill

[fallow flare]

then

[eager cliff]

If you cant then we win the argument

[fallow flare]

I could dm yall my priv server

and show yall

[eager cliff]

We do not care about your priv server

Say your examples right here

[fallow flare]

I cant demostrate that if I dont show u

[eager cliff]

You have skill with it tho

[fallow flare]

yup

[fallow flare]

so that means spring is skilled

[quiet breach]

no

[eager cliff]

That technically means you can not demonstrate what we are asking for

[fallow flare]

Ima dm yall

[quiet breach]

knowing skill based tech

and seeing some dude abuse the stupidly overpowered base mechanics

are two different things

[eager cliff]

Prove to us that the ability is not broken without any skill

[quiet breach]

ill block you if u do that

[fallow flare]

so youre afraid of me showing proof

[eager cliff]

I think we finally won this squabble since he keep changing up the subject

[quiet breach]

ok show proof then..? Why in DMs..

[eager cliff]

Like bro nobody cares about the potential

[fallow flare]

Ima send a priv server link

[eager cliff]

What we care about is how someone who never has used it before can exploit that potential without trying

[fallow flare]

literally potential takes skill and yall are saying that spring doesnt take skill

alr

do u have a friend that plays AW?

[copper escarp]

can someone reply to the suggestion im on mobile rn

[fallow flare]

that doesnt use spring

[mild mist]

ts = this

[eager cliff]

I used it

It was an easy win every time

[mild mist]

hi guys lets buff spring

simple and good suggestion

[fallow flare]

against what abilities

[eager cliff]

Hover your cursor over the enemy and use E/Q

Repeat and the person cant do anything

[fallow flare]

yk spring has knockback

[eager cliff]

Walk closer?

[fallow flare]

u cant infinitely combo if ur bad af

[quiet breach]

yeah

walk closer so skilled

[fallow flare]

if u walk closer it isnt enough

[quiet breach]

put ur cursor over enemy and walk closer

[fallow flare]

u fling more than walk

[quiet breach]

you can't lose

[eager cliff]

They cannot approach you unless they have 30 dos speed

[quiet breach]

and walk closer

[copper escarp]

spring is just a pain to fight against

[fallow flare]

are you braindead?

have u read what I just wrote?

[quiet breach]

IM NOT UR MOTHER

[copper escarp]

i guess i like this

[quiet breach]

this feels familar

[eager cliff]

And they cannot hit you with any projectiles if you have slightly above normal reaction time

[copper escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316113680940929165/1316903059351408690/attachment-1-1-1.gif

[eager cliff]

Thats like my third time saying that but you still ignore it

[fallow flare]

I literally answered that a long time ago

I said that it depends what ability, the position and ping

ur talking like every ability was the same

[eager cliff]

Bounty hunter cant hit you reliably due to the windup when they get out their gun

You can take like 15 dmg from plasma laser then move

[fallow flare]

bounty hunter has aim assist

it can hit spring

[eager cliff]

And you have a 30 stud travel move thats nearly unpredictable

And has a 1.5 sec cd

[mild mist]

bounty hunters can hit spring but if they spring user is good enough bounter hunter can't really do shit

[fallow flare]

yeah and what

[eager cliff]

That means you aint hitting the spring??????

[mild mist]

speaking from experience as i completely show my extreme levels of skill on bounty hunters

[fallow flare]

u still can

there is something called dodging

[eager cliff]

Oh no i got hit

[quiet breach]

Bounty Hunter Mastery is braindead imo

[eager cliff]

Its not like they are hitting you reliably after that

[fallow flare]

mad over spring being a good ability

got it

[eager cliff]

They are missing 90% of the time and one e doesn’t do much since your missing 90% of the time

[mild mist]

bh mastery doesn't really require much thought honestly

[quiet breach]

yeah

[eager cliff]

Its not tht its just good

[mild mist]

bh mastery doesn't really do much against spring in my experience

[eager cliff]

If you had to use spring for like 2 weeks to reach that level then its somewhat fine

[fallow flare]

so just like any ability

[mild mist]

if htey hit their moves i just keep w keying them and they die eventually

its so free

[fallow flare]

every ability has a potential, if its trained u can become better with it

[eager cliff]

The problem is that any player can pull that off

Literally anyone

[mild mist]

spring just has theh ighest skill potential

[fallow flare]

not anyone

[eager cliff]

Yes anyone

[fallow flare]

the best fr

spring has the best skill potential, I agree

[eager cliff]

30 stud unprecedented travel move thats anyone can utilize to dodge or attack

[fallow flare]

even better than brickbattler

[fallow flare]

yeah dude I got it, spring is a good ability

even tho I dont agree that everyone can pull spring potential

spring potential is way different than any ability

[eager cliff]

80% of players can do that with spring

[fallow flare]

no

[fallow flare]

nice lie

[eager cliff]

Not lying

[mild mist]

so lets say 80% of players can use the spring glove to boost or attack

what does this prove at all

im kinda lost here

[fallow flare]

im also lost

this guy is braindead

[quiet breach]

*you made a typo, it's actually spelt "truth"

[eager cliff]

That its no skill

[mild mist]

spring is no skill by itself yeah but it has a high skill potential

but u can say that iwth most abilities

[fallow flare]

wow so cool!

[fallow flare]

mom, this guy is so cool!

[mild mist]

not the skill ceiling part since some abilities are simple

but like anyone can go up to people and press E and Q yk

[quiet breach]

Remember? Your mom is actually braindead

[eager cliff]

Thats exactly what were trying to prove

[quiet breach]

she goes like: mmm b mmm b mmm b

[mild mist]

is that it

[quiet breach]

all day

[fallow flare]

thats just personal and it has nothing to do, and just disrespectful

I could just call a mod and get u banned

[eager cliff]

Bro you called all of us braindead

[mild mist]

Get him banned for such rude behavior.

[eager cliff]

But talking about your mom is a problem?

Hypocrite

[fallow flare]

thats because the stuff that you are saying makes no sense

[eager cliff]

Its still insulting tho

[mild mist]

man what even is this suggestion

[eager cliff]

Which is still bannable to some degree

[mild mist]

removing the passive doesn't do too much besides making it harder for me to completely own devourers

[copper escarp]

doesnt mean you have to go ahead and call them braindead

[fallow flare]

ur just repeating stuff and ur not even keep going with the argument

[mild mist]

this suggestion ain't even about spring anymore it is just about who is more braindead

[eager cliff]

Bro you brought up reporting a guy over insulting your mom but im in the wrong

Hypocrite again

Your the one who started the insults

[fallow flare]

what did I have to prove again?

I forgot

[eager cliff]

Why spring is not no skill or smth like that

[fallow flare]

so did yall

[eager cliff]

I didnt that was the other guy

And you called him brain dead which caused him to go after you

[fallow flare]

my bad for that but its just that that doesnt make really sense

[copper escarp]

so the solution was to call them braindead?

sorry if im being mean

[mild mist]

couldn't we just say like spring is no skill by itself but it has a high skill ceiling

doesn't that solve all of our problems

[copper escarp]

• annoying to fight against

[eager cliff]

Basically

[fallow flare]

when someone sees a person like that, it just makes someone insult them

[copper escarp]

they can just run away by spamming q and e

[eager cliff]

He has been trying to prove the high skill ceiling and we have been trying to prove its no skill

Its an unwinnable argument

[fallow flare]

spring is good, that means if someone isnt skilled with it he could keep up with the fight BUT, if the person is good with spring it just means that it can be VERY SKILLED

do u agree with that?

[eager cliff]

Ok

[fallow flare]

so why do u say its unskilled in the first place when it takes skill for it to be better

[eager cliff]

Because its insanely good without any skill

[fallow flare]

well, not that 'insanely good' I would say its ok

now, with skill its insanely good

do u agree?

[eager cliff]

Ok

[fallow flare]

there

I think the problem was the guy that entered in the argument (theguynamedDDDDDD)

I cant just keep up and it just makes someone really mad

he just repeats stuff non-stop and u cant even chat with him

[soft rune]

They did try to remove the whole "spring pulling" thing once with a bit of a revamp as to how spring knockback worked by instead having the springs launch players directly away from the user. The issue with that is it allowed spring users to inf combo players into the ground. The way spring knockback works now is the lesser of two evils.

[ruby rune]

Spring is kinda like pre-nerf BB

Except less strategy, more spam and heavily relies on the game's sloppy coding

At least archer without hitstun is still really great at long range

[flat sandal]

how did this get

13 dislikes in a day

[ruby rune]

People want their inescapable combos to stay

I mean you can kinda escape them via ragdoll immunity and some movement based abilities but I am talking about no ability

[fallow flare]

People not using spring because they're not good with it

[naive acorn]

the skills requirement to just simply learns how to use spring is hella easy of freaking cake comparing engineer or brickbattles on to how much powers it can do

it ain't even that hard

possibly out of brickbattles, festive and spring

Spring has the best speed, melee hitbox and fast cooldown

Not to mentions sit tech made go further or even high as bomb jumps

[real halo]

Spring users just want infinite mobility

And while there are skilled tricks with it the ability itself doesnt requie much skill to succed with

[fallow flare]

there are more techs with spring

way harder than brickbattler & engi

[ruby rune]

Spring is just pre-nerf brickbattler before brickbattler was added

[fallow flare]

pre-nerf bb?

what does that have to do

[mild mist]

^^

was going to say this but u said it yourself

yeah there is no point of removing the camera tech bc it'll just bring back pummeling

[ruby rune]

Was absolute hell to fight

"b-but you had to use skill"

Learning unlimited flight with slingshot is not that difficult

[ruby rune]

Solution: make the knockback always horizontal

[fallow flare]

mehhh... that still cant stop spring from doing infinite combos

[ruby rune]

It still stops the camera juggling

[soft rune]

Spring has many ways that it can be used, the other spring mains I've seen are generally trying to ramp up damage as quickly as possible. I on the other hand try to throw people into the void as quickly as possible. Instead of just juggling people in place, they'd start juggling them off the map.

[ruby rune]

Explain why my solution is bad in your eyes

[soft rune]

It's not that it's bad, it's just pointless. The only abilities that can reliably escape spring are those with movement options, whether or not they're getting combod in place or towards the void makes little difference.

[ruby rune]

Balancing spring is very serious business

[ruby rune]

Then how do we achieve a reasonable power reduction for spring

is it via altering the downtime between each spring loaded lunch?

[soft rune]

Spring is too unique for me to know, good luck!

[ruby rune]

ok wow

[soft rune]

No other ability is as good at killing butter users, how do you stop spring from doing that???

[ruby rune]

Simple

By nerfing spring

[mild mist]

i think if the cooldown was increased on spring i'd just use more m1s inbetween the downtime

[solemn gale]

whar

did my suggestion just delete itself when i wanted to edit it

ok

[viral river]

bro why nerf spring