What Even Is a "Phase Ability"?

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Ok see here's the thing

Hivemind and dos are phase abilities already

But army becomes a phase ability only when mastered

[granite cedar]

what is this dude talking about

[finite jetty]

howis this a suggstion bro

[vocal drift]

bruh

[vast widget]

He wants an excuse to have his hivemind mas suggestion not invalidated

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suggestion for aw's wiki page

[potent ocean]

defender mastery could also be counted as a scale ability, also this suggestion fucking sucks.

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in the wiki page for masteries, there's this segment, titled "Restrictions"

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in which, it shows which abilities that the people behind AW don't want masteries for.

[exotic adder]

all you haters want an excuse ("erm... its a phase ability and thats all that matters, not your suggestion!") for me to not suggest masteries

[granite cedar]

yeah they dont want masteries for phase abilities..

[exotic adder]

define "phase ability"

tell me

rn

[granite cedar]

me when i try to be philosophical to try and make a point

dos should not have a mastery
hivemind should not have a mastery

[potent ocean]

an ability that gets more powerful if you do a certain goal.

[exotic adder]

i see, where did you find this info

[granite cedar]

the brain

[potent ocean]

common sense.

[exotic adder]

let me get this straight, every human being should know this.

[potent ocean]

If you're not dumb.

[exotic adder]

then call me mentally disabled because i had no idea what "phase ability" even meant after looking and searching for all of the context of what it might be

[granite cedar]

if u want it to loop back to ur argument number 2 u shouldve just said so

(it sucks imo)

[exotic adder]

what second argument

[lofty reef]

Phase abilities do not get masteries as they are already a pain in the ass if used correctly

[granite cedar]

It has an extremely specific use in the restrictions, and that's it. But based on its use, I believe that a "Phase Ability" is a scaling ability. You know what else is a scaling ability? Army Mastery! You specifically made a mastery that scales! "But Army itself doesn't scale!" That's not the point, if being a "Phase Ability" (AKA scaling ability) is the only thing that's stopping me from suggesting ⁠Hivemind Mastery... Again! to the game, then SCALING IS THE WHOLE POINT OF HIVEMIND! IT DOESN'T MATTER!

[exotic adder]

oh that one

[exotic adder]

he fr has a point tho

[granite cedar]

no not really

[potent ocean]

Also masteries can be scale abilities, but if an ability is a scale ability when it's not mastery, it won't get a mastery

Same with role abilties (tree and mushroom)

[exotic adder]

i remember the days of this server when i would be APPLAUDED for suggesting hm mastery

BY THE TESTERS

[lofty reef]

ok unc

[granite cedar]

dont really care tho

[potent ocean]

Doesn't mean it would get added.

[granite cedar]

new rules have been made

dos and hivemind WILL NOT get a mastery

theyre already EXTREMELY POWERFUL

[potent ocean]

Plus, testers are NOT devs.

They test, they do not make the game

[lofty reef]

Well they know most about the game

[exotic adder]

idc about dos mastery, but if they seriously dont consider adding just ONE extra phase to hivemind (it only has like what, two?) in the form of a mastery, then i give up on the people of this server

[potent ocean]

doesn't mean they are devs.

[pulsar crystal]

if all the mastery is is one more phase that’s kinda boring

[exotic adder]

please tell me at least you read my hm mastery suggestion

[lofty reef]

thanks einstein

[potent ocean]

You're welcome.

[pulsar crystal]

i’m just going off what u said here

not the suggestion

[granite cedar]

it literally is just one phase tho

[exotic adder]

LOOK AT THIS. https://discord.com/channels/922921165373202463/1330656781453492256 this has been review bombed over the title and nothing else

[granite cedar]

the obtainment method is like 3 times longer than the Actual Mastery

actually thats an understatement

[exotic adder]

i bet you one person who added that x to the list, can NOT tell me the suggestion in their own words

[exotic adder]

sorry for not reviewing phase 1 and 2 of hivemind, and instead skipping to the extra mastery content

[granite cedar]

boss fight is obtainment method
u get an ability that spawns a big ass puddle that benefits hivemind minions and damages the players.

[lofty reef]

Giving the the easier version of DOS a mastery💔

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who wants the normal verson of DoS (*) mastery?

[pulsar crystal]

dos mastery would be dumb

stupid slap battles

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ong!!!

[lofty reef]

someone translate what this guy is saying

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fleeblegorp toodop bop

zip zoing gop

[lofty reef]

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-guy-typing-keyboard-funny-gif-1916582789416058464

[green sonnet]

mm naaah

[exotic adder]

tell you what, im moving on, im gonna suggest something real, and if they like it, they will ehh, maybe not care and X anyways because of suggestion reputation, but that's that. whatever, ill still suggest another day after genuinely brainstorming and thinking of something original.

[quasi locust]

No

This is almost as bad as that 1 dude who'd randomly rant abt brickbattler

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ong

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Winter reference

[barren trellis]

what does this mean

[granite cedar]

remove phase abilities being locked away from becoming masteries aka dos and hivemind

[barren trellis]

dude hivemind is insane

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It needs a jump power nerf

A small one but still a jump power nerf

[exotic adder]

agreed, make that scale less in general

[vast widget]

Ngl other than the rule, your suggestion is buffing hive which right now is a big nono

[exotic adder]

yeah, i do guess that hivemind IS busted

reminds me of supercell adding evolved mega knight to the game

[high sinew]

i just don't like hivemind in general
on paper it's supposed to be funny 'take over the server' ability but in practice it's a second DoS because of how powerful the hivemind gets + how utterly useless the minions are

[exotic adder]

like its already overused

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Hivemind rework when

[exotic adder]

same this stuff but i do like hivemind

its dos with faster life cycle

[high sinew]

REALLY nerf hivemind scaling + let minions use their original abilities

EZ!!!!!

[vast widget]

Just make the hive super tanky, heavily reduce speed, change abilities and bam, hive is fixed

[exotic adder]

1. no
2. yes im good with that

[vast widget]

And make the minions do something

[high sinew]

yeah right now they're just default with a slightly changed quantum Q

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And by super tanky I mean being able to take multiple gp hits level of tanky

[high sinew]

BORING...

[high sinew]

doesn't gp do infinite damage

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And a near worthless E

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Plasma can survive it

[exotic adder]

lock the minions into first person and disable resetting, and instantly use hiveling's Q ability if they walk off the edge

[high sinew]

yeah actually what does the hivemind minion E even do

i genuinely can't tell what effect it even has, that's how useless it is

[vast widget]

That would genuenly be ass

Just jump into the cauldron

Or into the void while Q is in cooldown

[high sinew]

cauldron contains a special potion that halves hivemind minion walkspeed

[exotic adder]

dang your right, cover up the cauldron with a lid if they get near it, and make Q have no cd

[vast widget]

Extremely tiny speed boost to nearby teammates

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Astral realm's void

Ok stop being unfunny btw

[exotic adder]

kill them, they deserve going out that way

[vast widget]

Ok now the hive rework

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hivemid rework brainstorm #387

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I was thinking about hive minions having an ability damage debuff (0,8×) while gaining a lifesteal boost and 10% active ability damage resistance

And add AI minions already

[exotic adder]

yeah, minions need lifesteal back

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Ok now the big guy himself

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+make freeze one shot again

[high sinew]

ok here's something i cooked up on the spot:

• hivemind minions keep their abilities but have 70 max hp
• hivemind minions become faster when near hivemind
• hivemind minions can infect (only with punches)
• hivemind starts out with 80 max hp and an E move
• as more minions get infected, hivemind gains up to 175 max HP, their E gets enhanced, they gain a Q, and a speed boost capping out at +6 walkspeed
• hivemind E and Qs are same as currently, but with enough infects hivemind E becomes a dash

[exotic adder]

what are the E and Q?>

same as regular hm or nah?

[vast widget]

whar

[high sinew]

yeah probably

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wait does hm still have lifesteal passive

[high sinew]

idk

[exotic adder]

if not thats a game changer

so i wanna say yeah because bias

[high sinew]

lifesteal passive never really made much of a difference for me so

[fleet prawn]

"It doesn't get defined in the game, any conversation on this server, AND on the wiki itself!"
okay..!

"Add a description already"
..okay!!

"or remove that entirely as an excuse to not add a Hivemind Mastery to the game (yes that's what this entire tangent is about)."

oh.

disliked

[vast widget]

Yo

Help us make the perfect HM rework

Hivemid

[exotic adder]

yeah what he said

[fleet prawn]

sure

[exotic adder]

props to you for looking at my suggestion

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Ok do you agree that the tentacles should be replaced with spikes coming out of the back

[high sinew]

d man what do you think about this

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like other people

[fleet prawn]

no

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Y

[fleet prawn]

the tentacles are what make the ability unique

[high sinew]

makes it look like a porcupine

[exotic adder]

the tennisballs

[vast widget]

The tentacles re-appear later on

[fleet prawn]

I agree tho, there could be more added to the design.

it could go in like a, stranger things kindof direction

[high sinew]

hey what do you think of this #1331318220166004849 message

[exotic adder]

imagine if it used the tentacles for mobility in some way kinda like plant

[fleet prawn]

this is almost a buff

wait it is one!

[fleet prawn]

kinda cool

but it'd have to get rid of the other buffs

[vast widget]

Imagine this, starts with just the bloody spikes, and when you get 5 kills, 2 tentacles burst out of the back, giving you a Q ability that shoots blood

[fleet prawn]

cool

[exotic adder]

but as an e or q ability instead of removing buffs

[high sinew]

doesn't current hivemind have like +20 walkspeed

[fleet prawn]

maybe we can add the tentacles, as an R that could be used for mobility.

[fleet prawn]

yeah.?

[exotic adder]

good

[fleet prawn]

the R should be really far down the line

not at 7 kills

maybe like 15

[exotic adder]

but q would have to not give the hm a height advantage if we did the r mobility idea

right?

[vast widget]

And when you get 20 kills, a big, non-transparent forcefield grows (around 7×7 studs) and after 5 seconds the HM user bursts out of it, being way bigger and has spikes on their arms and tentacles

[exotic adder]

sounds like its being turned into a dos with this many practical phases tho

[fleet prawn]

ok lemme cook:

We remove the hitbox advantage (and player size changes), and only change:
Aura color
Size of tentacles
Movement speed
adding hivemind minion abilities
new abilities
health increases
punch damage

kills:

Blood shots could be at 5 kills. (Maybe it could be used to buff hivemind minions, and deal decent damage to enemies, but requires aim.)

15 kills, you'd gain the climbing ability (that lasts for around 10 seconds.)

the E could be something like, a spike stab or smth?

[exotic adder]

oooooh

[fleet prawn]

ima make a new message about the phases

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i like it

wait, since we have a 15 infect phase we need another song for it

[copper cipher]

no

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i know

[fleet prawn]

PHASE ONE: 0 - 4 infects
Normal hivemind, but your movement speed and damage could be slightly upgraded (Movespeed: 20 - 22) (Aura: slight aura coming from spikes) (Health: 70 - 80) (Punch damage: 12 - 15)
-Minions always have 75 health

PHASE TWO: 5 - 10 infects
Spikes explode into tentacles, you unlock the Q (blood shots, can slow and deal damage to enemies, along with buffing minions.) and minions unlock an E. (They can now lunge towards the host, being a meatshield and damaging players)
(Movespeed: 23 - 26) (Aura: hivemind aura + music) (Health: 81 - 100) (Punch damage: 16 - 25)

PHASE THREE: 11 - 19 infects
minions unlock their Q, which allows them to explode, causing a red shockwave. (dealing 10 damage to themselves. If the shockwave hits another hivemind minion, they explode too, dealing 10 damage to themselves. The shockwave deals 15 damage to all non members of the hivemind.)
(Movespeed: 27 - 30) (Aura: lots of smaller tentacles coming from the main body.) (Health: 101 - 120) (Punch damage: 26 - 30)

PHASE FOUR: 20 infects
you unlock the R, which allows you to use all of your tentacles to speed around and climb very fast for around 10 seconds.
(Movespeed: not changed) (Aura: it's more of a red and black color, with sort of like.. lightning bolts coming from you..? + new music) (Health: 150) (Punch damage: 35)

E ability: (all phases) shoot a long spike which pierces through your enemy, dealing decent damage and stun.

ok this is the basic ideas i've had

[exotic adder]

a 4-punch KO is wild for 5-10 infects

[fleet prawn]

yeah

and guess what

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what

[fleet prawn]

normal hivemind does that😭😭😭

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WHAT

[fleet prawn]

yeah...

its like 4 - 5 punches at like 7

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bro hivemind is so cooked next balance update 😭

[fleet prawn]

idk it survived a while

[exotic adder]

im calling it

[fleet prawn]

oh yeah

[fleet prawn]

it might be lower than 4.

But you have to keep in mind. Hivemind's current punch, is legitimately almost impossible to counter

their range is that large

they hit you from behind lol

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at high infects

[fleet prawn]

5

5 infections

[exotic adder]

lowk idk what hivemind cant beat, i bet a 5 infect hive could solo an extreme terminator

[median bloom]

Well
They are abilities with different phases

Duh

[exotic adder]

i didnt think about that before

it just clicked

[median bloom]

Glad I could help

[exotic adder]

thanks

[hearty gyro]

An ability that if reaches certain requirements, becomes stronger and noticeably different. The thing is army and defender become phase abilities through mastery, dos and hivemind started as them

[exotic adder]

i was told before, thanks still