XL Map Feedback

[peak pecan]

ah i found

[warped nebula]

Nice. I'll comment that in there

Thanks for the link

[amber bane]

prolly already mentioned here but there are too many walls, too narrow map

[spring reef]

Ngl, those are not bad bumpers xD. If you mess up a bumper and it puts an assassin next to you, that's imo is a funny moment. An assassin using it to gap close is also a good use of it and is also an intended effect. We totally want there to be multiple sides. If you don't want an assassin to use it to gap close, pop it as a ranged character - you have ranged advantage to do so!

And imo, these are less about inputs, more about tactics. The three levels of gameplay depth are mechanical then tactics then strategy in that order and mechanical are often times what keeps the casuals away from a game (fortnite wall building, fighting game combos, etc). Compared to giving people more buttons to use, this keeps input simple while expanding options. A good example of this is Nintendo games where they often times use one button mechanic to do a lot of different things - keeps input simple for everyone but greatly increases variety and depth.

[warped nebula]

Yeah, these are less about inputs and more about tactics, but when they're everwhere, they start to incur more on the input side
And sure, I agree those are funny moments, those make BRs nice, it's really highlight-friendly, but it's not as easy as you say "you have ranged advantage" on those things. Because you're actively playing a cat and mouse game with them, and they have every tool at their disposal to get to you (attacks whilst not losing speed, gap closers, burst damage), and you have your range. It's not a simple thing to do, it is for some characters more than others (anna can reset her dash on a bumper and still be bumped, TV can hit stuff while getting out of there for the most of it) But if you miss one of those things as a ranged, you're doomed, and if a ranged hits that thing and you can't use it anymore as the assassin, you still have 2, 3 (froggy) skills as a gap closer, so it puts way more restraint on a Kitsu, for example, than onto a chasing assassin

There's also the point that bumpers are a huge push. They cover what an entire screen?

[spring reef]

I do think that that is still more of a balance issue tbh. If kitsu is getting jumped on too easily and can't fight back, we can always give more power to her kit. Basically in areas where there are gap closers, assassins can use it to go easier, if there isn't then ranged can get their advantage and pokes in easier. There are lots of factors to consider for these kinds of situations, which is good imo. Is there a wall? Kitsu can wall hop over it. Is there a bumper/jump pad next to you? You can use it. Is there a bomb next to you? Trigger it while they are sliding at you. On top of that, your team can also stun them or burst them. This is why having more stuff gives options back for people imo and helps a lot with preventing the game from being "solved", which is the strength of a battleroyale imo.

[warped nebula]

I truly think you're pushing the game design towards somewhere kitsu can't be viable. It might be able to be addressed with balancing, but I'm interested to see where that's going

On this current map iteration I personally find no enjoyment in playing her even though she's one of the characters i have max mastery and like what it brings to the table

But it's just unnecessarily stressful to play her at the moment

[earnest monolith]

idk I find playing kitsu really fun rn

[warped nebula]

I know. It's a personal thing

But I have a huge feeling of unfairness when playing her in pretty most the entire map

When I could be playing anything else that works

And is also fun

[earnest monolith]

the map has a bunch of cd reset orbs and its also a consumable

[warped nebula]

Yeah. I love the reset orbs

[earnest monolith]

you can ult spam easily

[warped nebula]

That gets froggies having 6-9 gap closers :p

I don't know. I'll wait for rankeds to comment out more about these issues. I feel there's a huge and I mean huge unbalance on characters with the new map, but it's not data-based. Only on what I observed in-game

So it's tricky to address those

[spring reef]

Everything is a balance for sure. Froggies eat kitsu alive even before the new map. I was rank one kitsu for quite a while in the game so I def get you when you say there are times when a froggy or sofia or skinny gets on top of you and there's nothing you can do. But I think atm, the interactables offer some new ways for you to disengage that you didn't have before as well + more bombs and hazards that kitsu can trigger from afar also opens up her deadliness at range.

[warped nebula]

I think that on this topic in itself the only thing the map has added was that melees now always have a way to engage and disengage. A kitsu does not have that privilege at all and there are really specific times and situations where she can offer any sort of pressure

She's currently an entire reactive character that cannot mess up

[spring reef]

Yee, to me, this still sounds more like a character problem.
Kitsu has always been quite a bit more team reliant and need more specific items to function.

[hallow portal]

do i smell a buff

😋

[earnest monolith]

kitsu buff would be poggers

[warped nebula]

Which becomes another issue now that items aren't as easy to come by with the current loot distribution

So as you said. There are a lot of things pushing her to this state

I do still think the map pushed some melee characters off the curve, which would also need to be looked into (either bringing them down or pulling the rest up)

[earnest monolith]

Don't think so. You can get really good items early on

[warped nebula]

Yeah. You always can, since it's rng based

But it's been discussed here already that the loot was purposely changed

[hallow portal]

yeah meta feels melee oriented

[warped nebula]

Into pushing items to be more spread out

[earnest monolith]

no I mean that I've been getting more purples/golds early on compared to the old map

[warped nebula]

And less easy to ppl to be in a godly build in the first 2 mins

[spring reef]

It's a 2-way street. It's slightly harder to get good gear early and slightly easier to get good loot late (more teams = more snowball potential, longer game/bigger map = more loot/money overall) and kitsu is one of the best characters when scaled.

[warped nebula]

Then you're lucky

[earnest monolith]

yeh...

[warped nebula]

Excellent, doesn't change the fact though

Also. It helps if you're premade

And ppl can funnel stuff to you and play as a team

[spring reef]

We don't really have much to go on but kenneth's first impressions is that zook is strongest and kiddo is up there

[hallow portal]

was that solo queue?

[earnest monolith]

3 stack but with irl friends

they dont play that much

[spring reef]

Not too sure about meta given that we don't have ranked and stuff.
Overall though - we do want to stamp out negative feelings with characters.

[warped nebula]

That's already better than good

[hallow portal]

try kitsu in solo queue

alone she is useless

[earnest monolith]

I did still managed to win

but I got pyn randomly in my q

[warped nebula]

I think skinny is not only strong. But it's currently unhealthy

I don't agree with that tier list at all

As skinny I can finally pick every fight

I can hide until my stealth comes back

[mellow summit]

skinny in 3v3 is the saddest thing I have ever seen

[warped nebula]

I don't know. I keep seeing skinnys doing pretty well all around

[earnest monolith]

skinny only have an upper hand when they ambush

[mellow summit]

skinny in norms works because people do not have coordination

[warped nebula]

Skinny can always ambush on this map though. That's the thing

[warped nebula]

Well. I can only speak for norms atm

Everything changes with premades and with ranked

On the only experience I had with rankeds on the ranked weekends
Skinnys and kiddos did awesomely well

Since there were no downed mechanics back then

[hallow portal]

how is balance done? based on how well characters do on their own or in a team?

[spring reef]

If boccato loses, he buffs the character he's playing and nerfs the character he died to

[hallow portal]

lmao

[earnest monolith]

I hope boccato plays kitsu next 🥺

[hallow portal]

do you guys currently store winrates?

even in norms, i am curious of the winrates

[earnest monolith]

I think sofia is on top there

[hallow portal]

there is currently no ranked system so maybe they could use the winrates from people who are above a certain level so Guests are not included

[mellow summit]

skinny did not do well...

[warped nebula]

I agree with kiddo and zook being top tier. They are good and controlling corridors, corners, can do tons of damage over walls and still do a lot of damage without damage items being a necessity and have a lot of room to miss stuff

[warped nebula]

My memory might be failing, since it's been long. But I do remember skinnis being fine back then. Not below all other characters at all. Again, I only played it solo back then

[hallow portal]

small rant: ||kiddo's ult has a higher damage scaling ratio than kitsu's and a higher base damage whilst it being AOE with a large hitbox and a shorter cooldown||

[warped nebula]

And his slow also has a longer duration I believe with a bigger aoe and applies burn

[spring reef]

Kiddo is more of a mage archetype so his lmb sucks compared to kitsus, is much harder to land, his q has shorter range, weaker slow, his ult is shorter range, doesn't rooted.

[warped nebula]

Yeah. It has pros and cons. Can't deny they feel entirely different

But on this map, the bad parts don't matter that much imo from Kiddos kit

[hallow portal]

this.

[warped nebula]

The thing that can and often hurts him the most is still melees being able to get to him like onto kitsu

[spring reef]

I mean, the opposite is true. Kiddo has no wall jumps and dashes to get out of barrels or avoid assassins, so this map makes him weaker than kitsu in that sense.

Give and take ya know?

[warped nebula]

Yeah. Exactly like I said. Both sides are true

It doesn't make him weaker

Because the kitsu also suffers a lot from it

Due to her not being able to apply her kit that well anymore

And it's nice when you can hop over a wall. It's a clear advantage over the ones that can't

But kiddo also has a shield and ms boost. It's not like he's helpless in that matter

[mellow summit]

kiddo just happens to gain much much more than other characters from having a team to protect him

[hallow portal]

more rant: ||Yeah except kiddo can click his ult and take down the assassin that jumps him whereas kitsu will miss her ult 100% from up close and if the assassin is able to deal with her 10 seconds long jump, kitsu stands no chance.||

it's rant

but in the end i wanna see them winrates

[spring reef]

You're right guys, kitsu sucks. Were removing her from the game 😁

[hallow portal]

lmao

[warped nebula]

On the previous map you had to respect a kiddo as a kitsu. You had to play the range game, and you'd struggle most of the times if you're fighting in close quarters

So this circles back to the point of not having her places she can shine like that anymore

At least not for the most of it

[warped nebula]

Bring the axe

[spring reef]

I still think all of this is balance rather than map imo. There's still quite a few areas where kitsu shines like corridors or chokes where kitsu can q and fire non stop, outranging kiddos and poking assassins down before they can engage. It's just not a fully open map anymore.

Old kitsu used to scale really hard where 3-4 autos killed someone. She got nerfed due to openness and kitsu supremacy so it might just be time to revert some nerfs.

[hallow portal]

i mean i am sorry for using this channel to rant about her, but don't you think it would be better if she could stick to a certain build that she extremely excels at? sure, nerfing her autos was a fine idea, but why not buff her abilities? they have super long cd anyways

wait

lemme edit that

especially that ult

[warped nebula]

Make her dash one-shot enemies, totally balanced non-favoritism in play at all

[hallow portal]

no not that

but like

[warped nebula]

:p

[hallow portal]

let's say you guys want attack damage and attack speed to be her optimal build

so what can be done? decrease her ult cd by a bit

for example

and in another patch she can have lower attack speed but do way more damage with her ult and q so now suddenly you have one character entirely switch up builds depending on patches

and that's cool

rather than every part of her kit being slightly mediocre but making it so that she can have more builds

[warped nebula]

Games evolve. I'd rather not have the game constricted due to how a single character excels in the game due to its kit being old. Kitsu might need to be reworked in the future, have some abilities changed entirely so it fits the new direction bapbap is going.

League has had to do this over and over due to their new directions, but this is too early to think about these things

Without even trying to attempt to make her viable with what she has. It's really hard to say how it all feels right now since we all have vastly different experiences based on the amount of ways we can play the game

If you take anna for example. I feel her design fits absolutely awesome with the new map due to what her kit offers

Previously she felt too situational. On this map it feels like there are more and more opportunities to make her shine

[spring reef]

I think main issue is homogenization, where everyone who excels at everything is boring. Specializations in how you play is what makes characters and mobas special. Kitsu is a marksman so pushing her more towards mage spell spamming is a bit weird. Not to say you can't build cdr and play it that way, but we should def keep her power fantasy strong.

[spring reef]

I think top tiers think anna sucks cuz it's hard to approach without being nuked down xD

[warped nebula]

Now that's a clear numbers issue though

If everything didn't burst everyone you'd give her more time in fights

[spring reef]

But anyways, I genuinely think that parts of the map can be improved, some areas opened up, but I also think characters just need a balance pass to match the playstyle. We changed no numbers going to the new map, more players, consumables, etc, so imbalances are bound to happen.

[hallow portal]

Yes! Exactly! You want her to be fitting a certain arhetype, but her kit doesn't synergise with that archetype (in this case being an auto attacker). My examples of ways to deal with that issue are: increase the root from her ult so she can land autos in the meantime or make it so that she does higher damage with autos after she hits someone with ult. This makes it so that she is still as strong as before, but you get this huge reward for hitting her ult, and since the ult only makes it so that you can deal more damage with autos, you wouldn't be building her like a mage or treat her like one so you would still build attack speed and attack damage.

What do you think?

As a fellow Kitsu main

[mellow summit]

I think kitsu is in a good spot currently and as a melee player in ranked buffing a ranged character is the last thing I need right now.

[hallow portal]

I never said buff her range

I mean this is why I am curious about winrates

I throw ideas but I can't back up my POV with evidence that Kitsu feels weak and awkward to play.

And I never said the weakest, but definitely a weaker design.

[hallow portal]

not the mention melee characters are getting more gap closers + buffed lifesteal items

but this isn't a rant about melee vs ranged

i ain't saying balance this balance that

i just threw an idea of what would make kitsu's archetype more refined

and more rewarding

i've had moments i use all my abilities and i can't kill the enemy just because melee champions can build hp and lifesteal

[mellow summit]

kitsu is not weak and awkward... just hit your shots really fun in 1v3

@spring reef I now understand what it was like to listen to me complain for like 11 months straight

(self depricating joke not at your expense lee)

[spring reef]

I dunno, personally I think kitsu is one of the best designed characters because she isn't overly reliant on X skill before Y skill. Playing kitsu is free-flowing and fun. Use Q as poke, as zone, as protection as cc, etc etc. Use E as finisher, as fight starter, as cc, as long range interactable trigger, etc. Or just hold your skills and spam lmb when you don't need them.
Could bumping spells be effective for her? Perhaps, but there's lots of directions to take her imo. Increasing lmb damage to start with might be a good way since imo she's been on the weaker side since the nerfs + hp buff.
Then again, I'm not the guy that handles characters and balance, so convincing me also doesn't matter xD

[hallow portal]

Yeah for sure. I never expect anything I say to be taken further. It's just that those things feel worth telling because you main Kitsu and are directly involved in the game one way or another.

[late fiber]

kitsu best build is 3 cdr

[hallow portal]

😭

[hallow portal]

Oh it's okay I am used to this. I used to make high elo Wild Rift guides in Reddit and occasionally there would be someone to debate with. I always try to use evidence to back myself up, but I will have to wait until ranked releases and the game starts showing winrates.

It feels better to express opinion here tho. Complaining in Reddit never caught Riot's attention especially when all Riot wanted was to get money out of players through gacha and skins. I will try to express my opinion about this game here as long as it's noticed until it becomes big enough and all the company may want is profit.

[spring reef]

Were gonna start charging $5 per feedback read*

*Action upon being read not guarenteed

[unreal yew]

Balance method leaked

[hallow portal]

Boccato😩 ❤️

[late fiber]

REMOVE TRAP CORRIDOR???

its legit so common that circle just closes there

and that is instant lose spot WTF

[ebon mango]

i dont like that there is almost no loot outside of poi's. it gives loot monopoly to a few teams and realy hard for another team to compeat. if the plan is to have poi be super important, some way of seeing where they are (or the loot is) on the map wuld be good

[glacial finch]

i dont know if its just me but loot has been super rare lately

pretty much tiering up

increase it for the bad places please

[late fiber]

It's cause they moved all the loot into named areas

[peak pecan]

right side of map diff

[snow shale]

There's a graphics setting to enable see through shaders on the characters for situations like this, maybe yours got turned off somehow?

[spring reef]

Can't tell if you are saying that right side is good or bad 👀

[peak pecan]

when i’m in freezy mart / duck park i feel like i get way more loot way more efficiently and i engage in combat super early game

when i’m on right side of map

i’m just walking around picking up crumbs of loot

and i dont rlly see anyone until i get to the left side

idk

LOL

i think other people have mentioned it too

i know the loot amount is technically the same

[calm sail]

im psure if u

[peak pecan]

but maybe duck park and freezy mart are more open whereas the right side fortress and scrounge r both more maze like?

[calm sail]

arent getting good loot off spawn

its bc ur pathing is bad

not tlaking to u specifically just saying

[peak pecan]

if i’m in freezy mart or duck park i don’t even need pathing i just walk into mobs everywhere

LOL

[formal oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-19886439

[hallow portal]

Yo about the loot thing, it's sometimes hard to gather gold for items when your random teammates follow you and steal your farm

But I guess that's just skill issue and you guys have done your math on how much gold there should be per area (??)

So I just end up separating from my team just to get farm

[peak pecan]

gotta ditch ur mates until they’re on the brink of death

[shy plinth]

would raising the gold drop while making it so only green loot can drop from monsters be a thing? would put more emphasis on shop fighting and would be a good poi pull

[unreal yew]

We tried something similar in the past and looting felt really boring as you didn’t have that spike feel of finding something good
It became very linear / farming

[shy plinth]

that makes a lot of sense kk.

[vast flower]

sewer teleport system

[calm sail]

sewer = rat = twitch yay

[unreal yew]

[sharp hedge]

O shit u guys r adding venting like in amogus???

[peak pecan]

holy

add vents like amongus please

LMFOAOOOOOOOOOO

[hallow portal]

Pog🤝😄

[sharp hedge]

Still think circle needs adjustments and that there are pacing issues

So many games I play like 5+ minutes for very very little encounters

I'm cherrypicking, but there always is variance. In the past, a "low paced game" was 4 minutes or something max

Now it's like 8 minutes

the lows are way lower

[humble quail]

Is it me or soloqueue is way worse than before ?

[calm sail]

JUST U

[hallow portal]

It was always bad

[warped nebula]

And the highs are way crazier as well. I do think that's what they've been trying to push for though. Devs want a more battleroyale and less battlerite feeling to the game, and what we currently have fits that description more from what I've been experiencing

[tawdry bison]

But regarding the map, but the hidden jump pad and bumper might need a nerf

I love using them, but they're too good right now

[calm sail]

ngl if i’m playing ranged

i think i’m taking bumper over zhonya

[sharp hedge]

100%

Beehive low key good too

Drop beehive behind u

then M1 beehive

then u kite towards it

but i wouldnt take beehive over either bumper or zhonyas

Maybe over Zhonyas actually

But defin not over bumper

Feels like Zhonas gives you a tiny bit of "leeway" if that makes sense, e.g. if u misposition, or u just need a tiny bit more time for ur CDs to be up

while Bumper entirely save u outright from a 3rdparty or an engage that u werent ready at all for

Beehive takes a bit of time before it can be activated, but u basically control that entire area during its active duration

thats so good for ranged to just have a beehive on urself, no melee is gonna touch u

[calm sail]

idk i think most ppl can just run through bees and one shot u

[sharp hedge]

ye maybe

but sometimes the beehive does enough to dissuade them from engaging

and even if u die, if ur teammates ar alive, they can still try to control the beehive area and rez u

The cast time isn't super long, but it takes like 1 more second before the bee drops

Not as good, but I like it more than everything else but bumper

Jumppad's cast time just way too long, not usable mid-combat

[calm sail]

yea i agree it’s good

i still haven’t got used to using consumables yet i rarely use them at all

so much potential

[eager swallow]

Bees are harder to walk through than kiddo Q

Beesop

O-bees

[peak pecan]

bees r double edged swords

[calm sail]

not on ranged i think

maybe on melee

but the consensus here is that its good on ranged

[sharp hedge]

ranged u can drop it behind u whre it safe for u to hit it

then u just kite back

melees literally cant approach u or they get into bee range GG

[peak pecan]

yah it’s good when ranged i think

i love being a chuck dropping a beehive for the enemy kiddo to snag it LOO

[outer kraken]

There's something about the layout of this current map where so many of the spaces feel so much more congested and narrow. I prefer the previous version that had more open ended spaces with more legible entrances and exits. I feel like in this current map, I need to keep the map open more often to make sure I'm going in the right direction. I also agree with other people's points that this map feels like it's really easy to wander around without finding the points of interest or with creeps to farm.

I also personally preferredthe smaller maps. I appreciated how I spent less time running from the circle and more time looting and getting into fights with other teams. The bigger map makes the variance higher on whether or not you'll find other teams to fight with, and I've found in this bigger map: I've spent much more time just idly running around, not finding other teams or not finding creeps.

(also great game, by the way. I've really enjoyed my time with it even if I am kinda terrible at it.)

[warped nebula]

@spring reef Is it possible to reduce the height of some of the walls we have on the map? It feels like some are way too tall and they get in the camera's way so much. Not talking about the line of sight they break, but more their visuals that feels overreaching towards the camera

Like these, for example, sometimes they block your view of the corridor just because they're a bit too high, does that impact how much line of sight they cover? technically speaking

[peak pecan]

Chain link fences and the construction fences with the big gaps should have line of sight and be able to shoot through

[spring reef]

I'll take a look at what I can do 😄

[eager swallow]

esp when kiddo and kitsu can guarantee proc

[calm sail]

ya

[sharp hedge]

CIRCLE ADJUSTMENTS + MORE PPL PER GAME PLEASE

[distant dock]

39 players would be great

and a consistent numbers of teams spawning in each big part of the map every game

[hallow portal]

69 players would be great

[warped nebula]

would be nice

not great, nice

[fair violet]

A little early for a Christmas wishlist

[late fiber]

need ways

to find enemies pls

u can hear ppl shooting 20 miles away in other BR

[woven ledge]

add kill locations to map

[peak pecan]

petition to remove this specific dead end

[earnest monolith]

skill issue

[peak pecan]

i swear its not just me

[earnest monolith]

idk man by this point I kind have the map memorized

[peak pecan]

i do too but bc i remember that as the annoying deadend

LMFAO

but i watch my teammates walk into it

[eager swallow]

You can have map memorized and still feel there's parts taht are super clunky

Game too slow not very fun

No people no loot just getting my steps in

[woven ledge]

add pokemon go to bapbap so I can catch pokemon while walking around map!!!

[tawdry bison]

Maybe make certain bappables super loud like the pipes or the shipping container

[snow shale]

Yep I have been thinking about this, surfaces that are very loud to walk on can be an alternative to things like poison trap for shortcut routes

[gaunt quarry]

the invis jump pads are fun to find

[rain bronze]

https://youtu.be/fxk1syuf5lo?si=DuAva1DykVaLLBe0 new pipe rolling sounds ?

[tawdry bison]

[distant dock]

put more places with the metal sound

sounds great

[strange sapphire]

Why does it feel like I know the map so well

[lethal matrix]

Straight out of berserk

[vocal gate]

execution should be stoped if enemy gets frozen

[lethal matrix]

Omg it dosnt ?

[hallow portal]

What was the point of increasing loot hp if people complained about not finding farm in the first place?

[lethal matrix]

So people would be pushed to farm together maybe

[hallow portal]

It's a good guess but it makes it so that random teammates take the items your character needs even more common

That's why I go solo farming and then rejoin once I found the items I need

[hallow portal]

I am curious of @spring reef 's opinion on this

[peak pecan]

maybe bc people were clearing areas out too fast

[unreal yew]

It's pretty much this

Also, the increase was honestly pretty minor, I dont think it's even feelable tbh

[raw vapor]

would not have noticed if i didn’t read the patch notes

now the vine wall change?

[formal oyster]

I mean. Most the time I feel like gear is more shop and drop focused than loot boxes. Loot boxes and mobs are but not where most mid-late game gear comes from

And guests that follow you everywhere and take all the money you loot are horrible

[hallow portal]

This.

There's no preventing to that but to solo farm

[formal oyster]

solo farming will always be peak

[hallow portal]

What if they make it so that only the person who last hit the loot can pick up the gold?

Or if the allies need it they have to wait like a few seconds until it's pickable

[warped nebula]

I've noticed it right away haha. I thought you guys had changed the damage of the characters so I went into the patch notes and realized it was the other way around

You kinda get used to how much damage it takes for you to clear 1 box or 1 bot, and you can def feel any changes to those when it changes the amount of hits it takes to destroy stuff

but I don't think the change impacted the game negatively. It did slow down the farm quite a lot, but I don't feel that was detrimental

[peak pecan]

yah i get my loot from killing other people thank them for their hard work

i can clear an entire POI and be in all white gear then kill 1 guest and upgrade to all blue

[peak pecan]

Is it possible to add the old maps back into rotation alongside the XL map or all the old maps perma retired? I kinda miss the variety of the multiple old maps and some occasional faster game play.

[earnest monolith]

hopefully when we have more players we can get mini bap with the old maps

[peak pecan]

i mean like even in the same queue like randomly you’ll be in a small map w less people instead of the XL map kinda like a modifier

[earnest monolith]

small maps has less players tho

so you'd need a seperate q

[spring reef]

Can't really do different player size in the same queue unfortunately

[peak pecan]

i don’t mind 10 teams in small map

[vast flower]

I can think of like 4 ways it could be done. Dunno if you are saying can't atm or won't.

[spring reef]

Currently unable to based on backend

[vast flower]

Gotcha

[atomic geyser]

There are many games where I clear out my POI and have the Items I need to fight. When I look at the map though the circle isn't contracted at all, there are no lootboxes etc. How do I Progress? I feel like I should be fighting to press my item advantage, but don't know where to go. The answer can't be to just go farm more until loot boxes spawn or the circle contracts..

[spring reef]

In theory it shouldn't be possible to clear out a POI without the circle compressing unless 3 teams spawned there and you killed both other teams really fast. But I'd say going to a shop, then a next POI or another shop would be the objective, no?

Or even going to an active respawn beacon and pick of stragglers

[atomic geyser]

I don't mean clearing out every minion, just getting the items I need to fight
And sure, going to a shop is usually what I do but there are 7 shops on the map, you don't always get a fight
It just feels really bad when I have the items to fight, but can't find one

[spring reef]

We are looking into more ways to bring people together for sure

[calm sail]

bapbap dating app will bring people together

thoughts

[warped nebula]

Is this true even for the frozen mart? I always hate when I spawn in there, feels like it lacks loot in comparison to others.
If one goes to the docs on top, another to the bathroom and another player does the main building, it feels like you can clear it quite quickly (Especially if playing Anna / Sofia)
And it doesn't feel like the same on the maze gardens to the left of the map. That area feels decently populated with loot
Even the bottom right one (Desert industrial zone?) Feels easy to clear even if you don't split up.

You might be able to to do the mart within a single circle

[sharp hedge]

not that I think about it, it does feel to me that theres less farm in Frozen mart compared to other pois, yeah

[warped nebula]

It does feel that way to me. I walk around way too much over there to fight 2 mobs here and there

[atomic geyser]

frozen mart spawn is a placement diff for sure..

[spring reef]

It's all the same amount of loot, y'all trippin' 👀

It's cuz it's more open, mobs just feel further apart

Cuz you don't get guided along a smooth looting path

[warped nebula]

I mean. I've learned most looting paths, and I believe you when you say it's the same amount of loot

[atomic geyser]

mob distance also effects farming speed

[warped nebula]

it does feel like there's a completely different pace to looting

[calm sail]

dawg he made the map

he knows

[warped nebula]

I personally hate the frozen mart, I hate spawning in there, fighting in there, and when games finish in there. So I'm sure that plays a part in my perception of it

[calm sail]

then why there is snow in ur pfp if u hate ice so much ??

checkmate

[warped nebula]

Ah damn

I fell victim to one of the classic blunders :C

[spring reef]

I think the question we have to ask mostly is whether it's bad or it's bad to you compared to other POIs. If it's the former, it's something to fix, if it's the latter, it's fine since it's preference.

I know some people say left side > right side of the map as well because they prefer less mazey

[warped nebula]

which is crazy since the left side is where we actually have a maze haha

but yeah. I see what you mean

[atomic geyser]

personally I think the left and dock spawns arer ok

but the right side spawn is really bad

Feels like it takes a long time to get to the good clumps

[warped nebula]

I just personally don't like the frozen mart as an area. I think fighting on the ice is always finnicky and clunky, it feels really open and empty

[spring reef]

Is it "really bad" or is it bad compared to the other POI 👀

[atomic geyser]

I think its both tbh

[warped nebula]

nowadays, I've gotten used to the new map. I think this iteration over the huge one is way better

things are better connected

And there's a decent pacing to it overall

Most places are easy to recognize

but the Frozen Mart to me, as a concept is really nice, playing on it to me is just not my thing

I love that the purple mobs wear hats in there

I wish I'd get a hat myself when I enter it

or if I spawned in it

[spring reef]

You have to pass an interview to get the uniform

[warped nebula]

I'd be down for that

I think its layout is really uninteresting, especially for a corner piece of the map

[spring reef]

That's perfectly fair, but yeah, I def think some folks prefer open areas with free flowing combat, some folks prefer more mazey tight combat.
It could use some sprucing up overall to make each section of the mart center stand out as well - but we didn't have assets fully ready for that.

[warped nebula]

Yeah. I think the mart in itself needs some love

put in a big igloo selling ice creams in the middle, make it stand out, split it into sectios or something.
It's really a huge room with shelves and a few registers at the bottom

[spring reef]

For sure. I'll be making a pass at the map at some point (still have marketing/community cap on atm)

[warped nebula]

Completely understandable

I'm sure some people like it as well, but the bathroom part is a nightmare to me. The concept is nice, but navigating through the ice to hit those small stalls is a nightmare, you have no room for fighting either

if I spawn on the left part of the mart, I go directly into the bathroom area to loot it all so I don't ever have to come back there

[spring reef]

Yeah, one thing I was limited by was the size and shape of the ice - I asked for better ice painting tools so I can actually make ice paths.

[atomic geyser]

holy

that woulda been sick

actual skill ice skating

[sharp hedge]

Same btw

[eager swallow]

It just feels really bad for pacing to have to spend time to weave in and out aroudn a bunch of corridors to find loot.
Like the bathroom section on freeze mart - super inefficient to loot through

[eager swallow]

Yeah, this.
That's why Duck Duck is by far best POI, IMO.
Tons of loot very close together with clear ways to effectively loot through all of it.

[sharp hedge]

Freeze Mart needs 3 pairs of jumppads

toilet to main area pair, main area to top docks pair, and maybe one jumppad from within freeze mart to below it

[peak pecan]

omg genius +1

[peak pecan]

yah i saïd before too that duck is most similar to base game there’s no ice cement quicksand even poison darts etc stuff that interferes w u

[warped nebula]

Just wanted to cheer you guys for the recent visual overhaul you've been doing to the game. The new sand shaders, vfx and the new assets have really been making the game shiny more and more

[north galleon]

thanks bro

Dylan and me have been working on shtuff

[rain bronze]

shtuff

[vocal gate]

upvote

[hollow knot]

i find the normal maps better because you dont search so a long time for enemys and when you find them thers instand 10 or more

[candid crystal]

It looks like a paw kinda lol

[calm sail]

thats the intent 🙂

the bottom half got cut off tho XD

[formal oyster]

original design

[candid crystal]

ahh

[royal crescent]

wow very big

[sage thicket]

WW

I think that there should be supply drops in the non pois so that there can still be fights outside of POIs

[formal oyster]

Supply drops can land anywhere. Not just in POIs.

[sage thicket]

i feel like they should only put them in non pois to spread out fighting

and to have less third parties

[formal oyster]

I mean. Third parties are a part of any Battle Royal and aren't exactly a thing that is going to be pushed to avoid. Chaos is more emphasized through bappables and third partying. Also there is very much of people staying only in POIs past first 2 circles. After that there isn't much looting left so where supply drops go isn't too important

[sage thicket]

true i js hate third parties so much

[formal oyster]

Third parties suck when you get third partied but are fun when you get to third party

[sage thicket]

real

[royal crescent]

i feel like the slime king, with such a big map should be able to spawn twice

because not everyone is going to be part of the action for the helm

[formal oyster]

I've seen 3 in one game because of fishing

Also slime cap is a very very strong item. So it makes sense it's kinda rare

[royal crescent]

yeah true

[grave mist]

have you tried fighting 4 slimes? its not fun. i promise you

[earnest monolith]

not in the same place

[grave mist]

i've fought 4 at once... like fighting 2 already uses all ur movement skills

i was lucky that they spawned next to crane so killing them was actually possible

but if the crane wasn't there i would've gotten massacred lmao

[royal crescent]

Bro I keep getting chased down then third partied