#Diamond 2 One trick chamber, Haven

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distant portal
distant portal
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(FIRST 3 ROUNDS AFK CAUSE MOM) My dream is immo and Radiant, long way tho, i want someone to see what im doing wrong, cause rn im stuck

coarse cove
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Im just gonna be straight up. It pisses me off when someone is afk for the first 15-20 seconds of the round. Don't be doing that (also just buy like 8 bullets, way better than sheriff)

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2nd round not dialed in

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thats strike 2 for me. If its gonna be like this I'm just not gonna vod it

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afk round 3

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not vodding this, come back when you aren't afk and doing nothing the first 10-15 seconds of a round.

distant portal
distant portal
coarse cove
north sage
# distant portal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-C7_nktp8

4:45 you should be putting your TP down.
4:58 You need to be hard committing to this fight. You just got lucky he whiffed.
5:39 Not a good time to crouch spray, especially not on 15 health.
5:48 Crosshair dips, I know you're thinking about spike, but you can't be letting your crosshair droop like that
6:35 WHERE IS YOUR TP????? You NEED to have your util up and a plan to play off of your utility.
7:24 Literally what are you doing. You jumped out of heaven knowing he could be there and took a solo fight.
8:15 This is a pretty bad setup compared to what Chamber can actually do.

If you need a crash course in how to play chamber let me know

Okay I'm gonna be honest I'm not watching the rest of this.

Find a pro player to watch and study how they play. Also, stop messing around in your comp games.

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I know I sound harsh but if you wrote that your goal is immo lock the hell in and start studying a pro.

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Like genuinely when I say if you need a crash course in chamber please let me know because you genuinely do not look like a chamber main.

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Suggestions:

  1. Lock in. You're doing stuff that I am 100% sure you know is a bad idea (see 7:24 for reference). You need to stop being okay with bad plays.
  2. Study a pro and see how they play Chamber. You play Chamber extremely suboptimally and there are many situations where you missed an obvious opportunity to set up useful utility.
distant portal
distant portal
north sage
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!pwea

atomic crownBOT
north sage
north sage
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I enjoy explaining stuff like this and I think it'll really open your eyes to how you can play

distant portal
coarse cove
north sage
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it's probably not perfect but i think they play well enough

coarse cove
north sage
coarse cove
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Legit it's play it like a jett on defense

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And on attack it's swing everything lmao

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Especially in diamond

north sage
coarse cove
north sage
coarse cove
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Not really

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You can play the same off angles

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A main ascent, same angles

north sage
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some you can some you cant

coarse cove
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B main too

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C lotus mound

north sage
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chamber also has a different response after the timer runs out

coarse cove
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Chamber has better off angs actually

north sage
coarse cove
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I mean you still take the same angle

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It's just he gets away with it better

north sage
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jett doesn't push up right side of C mound but chamber does

coarse cove
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You can as jett, I've seen aspas do it

north sage
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right side C mound?

coarse cove
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Yeah

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Literally it was in a playbook when I watched aspas

north sage
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how does he get out then?

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he cant dash through the wall

coarse cove
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He dashed backwards or killed everyone

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Visualize how the angle works

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Just back up after pushing you get cover

north sage
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fair enough, if you dash + smoke you can get out

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though chamber and jett still play differently cause chamber has access to more off angles and has an infinite timer

coarse cove
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Or dash back go behind mound and kill everyone cause you're better

coarse cove
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But it's still like...

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The same thing

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Like say any jett off ang

north sage
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some of it is applicable but to say that you can just watch a jett player and pretend it's chamber is disingenuous

coarse cove
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Chamber can do it

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Name any chamber off ang jett can do it just with a bit more recourses

north sage
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yeah but jett can't hold it

coarse cove
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The concept of the tp and dash is the same where you can get away with bs

north sage
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thats the difference

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that's why chambers tend to lurk more

coarse cove
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You don't have lurking jetts?

north sage
coarse cove
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I'd show you on valoplant

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That that doesn't really matter (I'm on phone so cannot)

north sage
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dont get me wrong I get it and I'd agree that chamber and jett are the MOST similar

coarse cove
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On defense jett and chamber do pretty much the same thing

north sage
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but there's a lot of angles that only chamber can play because chamber can hold off angles while jett has to prime dash so she needs to be finessing cover

coarse cove
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Reyna too, all agents that have a get out mech

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Is pretty much the same IN RANKED

north sage
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either that or jett needs to prime dash

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but then you don't have the presence that chamber does

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plus you have the trip to play around

north sage
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because if they didn't have distinct differences then they wouldn't be a new character

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like yes if you have a very good grasp on how agents work you can tell what works on your agent and what doesn't

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But most people don't and if you already know then it's not that useful

coarse cove
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Remember it's diamond and you can apply all logic i just said in immo

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And this is only for defense

north sage
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Yeah but back to the main point who do you recommend to watch for chamber and do you think they can adequately find the differences between what works for chamber & Jett or only works for Jett?

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Because even though watching a 2024 chamber game isn't perfect, I don't think watching 2025 Jett would be any better

coarse cove
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s0m

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Tenz

north sage
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Like i can tell you right now that I vod reviewed him and I don't think he has the game knowledge to adequately identify chamber/Jett vs only Jett players

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Also what do you recommend for attack side then

coarse cove
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S0m

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Like ranked demons are good

north sage
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like ima be real with u dude you can find pro chamber vods from the past year and they play it reasonably well

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I don't think watching jett will make someone a better chamber player even if its 2024 instead of 2025

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if it was only like 2022 I'd agree

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but we have relatively recent chamber games

coarse cove
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Huh? I was answering the question

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Watch tenz chamber

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Som chamber

north sage
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oh lol yeah fair enough

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misunderstood what u were saying

coarse cove
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Lmao

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Allg

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But honestly you don't gotta watch anyone

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Legit just place down a tp swing kill everyone

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If you can't do that mechanically then you should pick a new agent.

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Ngl

north sage
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so honestly its just "watch any pro play chamber"

coarse cove
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I guess

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Or he just should have in his head to place tp down shoot, people not there flank pick up to and find enemy

north sage
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yeah i hopped into a call with him and basically explained that]

coarse cove
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I'm a guy that really doesn't like having people watch pros n shit. It's more like figure things out yourself

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Playbooks are utter useless in most cases, until you can actually understand them

north sage
coarse cove
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Exactly

north sage
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im gonna be real with you most people are pretty bad at figuring things out themselves

coarse cove
north sage
coarse cove
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Like yes is it the best way? In some aspects

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But it causes a lot of other issues

north sage
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you don't need to copy EVERYTHING a pro does but at the very least figure out what the right plays are

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like what's a good play and why

coarse cove
north sage
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that's why you start easy by just copying pros

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then you learn as you go

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IMO the best thing to do is watch a few different pros and see what they all do the same

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that can really help people understand agents when they're new to them

distant portal
distant portal
coarse cove
# north sage yes but that's the hard step

I agree with everything you said in a certain way. Like yeah you're right but it's missing this part

You can give a man a fish and feed him for a night, or you can teach a man how to fish and feed him for life

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Copying pros and seeing what they all do is giving a fish for a night. It's not letting the person figure out why other things are bad. Maybe pros get it wrong (which they do sometimes)

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And so on

north sage
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I consider it more like a stepping stone than anything else

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you don't know what bad play looks like till you see good play

coarse cove
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Or you die doing it

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Cause pros could do something and it's treated as gospel (yes it really is) and then people copy it and get fucked but then blame something else

supple shard
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if pros didnt exist then every lotus game under immortal would never take rubble control </3

coarse cove
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It's w/e I'm tired both are fine areas i just find it as a worse way of learning things unless if you're at a certain level

coarse cove
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Cause I've had a triple duelist comp with a breach not take rubble in immortal... so yeah lmao

supple shard
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like i swear i woulda never figured that out by myself

coarse cove
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We can agree to disagree but I'm sure that wouldn't be the case it's just how our minds work.

supple shard
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idk i swear at least at ascendant level noone would be able to trace the problem back that far

whole heron
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