No longer hardstuck gold forever.

[twin osprey]

yay

[silent monolith]

Nah

[twin osprey]

yuh

I'm incapable of securing easy kills

[silent monolith]

You don’t understand the duo mechanics bro

Lemme show you my dorito last act

With my duo btw

First act with one

[twin osprey]

omg we got the fade seize + raze nade

🤯

then

we got the good old

gravnet + sova dart

[twin osprey]

🤯

[twin osprey]

what's your peak?

[silent monolith]

Immo 1

[twin osprey]

bruh

this your only account you've been on this high?

[silent monolith]

Yeah

Why

[twin osprey]

wild

I'm in gold since soon 2 years

[silent monolith]

Yeah well look at my tracker my winrate had been negative almost every act for like 3y

Trust me get a duo

Try to find one at least

It will push you both to be better

[twin osprey]

I do technically have one

but I'm not the biggest fan of queuing with him

he gets tilted extremely easily

I don't

it's just annoying

to hear him complain about "timings"

mf it was your decision to look away

[twin osprey]

and my other duo is busy rn

I usually practice 1v1s with him

but can't atm

so I just play aimlabs (it's more fun anyway)

[silent monolith]

Fair enough

But aim isn’t everything

Although I mostly train my aim now

It’s my biggest weakness

[twin osprey]

aim is nothing 💯 🔥

but I'm actually playing the vt valorant benches

so I feel like I improve even when I don't play valorant

[twin osprey]

couldn't be me

[silent monolith]

Show results rq

[silent monolith]

It is a big thing

Also movement

[silent monolith]

Not that my aim is ass man it’s just worse than ur average immortal probably

[twin osprey]

too embarrassed rn

[twin osprey]

yea but it somehow doesn't help me out in game as much as you would think

[twin osprey]

(or me 😈 )

[silent monolith]

😭😭

[silent monolith]

Do you just peek people

Or play off angles too

And like

Swing

Or do you just hold

[twin osprey]

I do everything you just listed

my holds are okay

my swings are okay

and I'm good with angles

swings definitely could use an improvement tho

if I want to be immo

[silent monolith]

If everything is good how are you still silver

Maybe change ur main

[twin osprey]

now that's the great question

[twin osprey]

I had like 5 serious mains in the past 2 years

lemme list them

sova

astra

jett

omen

neon

rn I'm cycling between jett reyna chamber and clove

[twin osprey]

I heard my game sense sucks but I honestly don't believe that at all

[barren wraith]

pick one role and go

[barren wraith]

it probably does

[twin osprey]

@silent monolith told me to switch my main just now

[twin osprey]

it likely does

but you know what they say

a denial a day keeps your progression at bay

[barren wraith]

literally just instalock duelist

[twin osprey]

literally what I am doing

most of the time

[barren wraith]

do you comm

[silent monolith]

If ur that confident of ur aim its probably true

You say u enter site and nobody trades you

Might as well not take a duelist

[twin osprey]

no you know, when I see an enemy I don't call it out

it's more fun that way /j

[silent monolith]

You should do it

[twin osprey]

I'm in denial about my good aim

[barren wraith]

i can’t watch the vod rn

[silent monolith]

Comm everything what is there to do

[twin osprey]

well that's only one of the reasons I die

[silent monolith]

To lose*

[twin osprey]

there's a fuck ton more

that I forgot to mention ( 🫥 )

[barren wraith]

ur aim is find u have a 50% hs on vandal

[twin osprey]

ok, I comm, yes

[silent monolith]

High hs% don’t mean much

[twin osprey]

I comm everything

[twin osprey]

^^

[twin osprey]

erm it's actually 57%

[silent monolith]

I have people with 15hs% in my lobbies

[barren wraith]

it doesn’t but in general means crosshairs placement is decent

[twin osprey]

maybe they play snipers and shotguns all the time

[silent monolith]

And they actually have better ACS and KD than most high hs% people in my lobbies

[twin osprey]

or stinger

or odin and ares

[twin osprey]

and mechanics are decent

[silent monolith]

Maybe not ops though

[twin osprey]

maybe I should just climb to immo with my trusty odin

[silent monolith]

Possibly stingers cus I didn’t see shotguns in a long while

[twin osprey]

wdym

[twin osprey]

likely

[silent monolith]

Unless you wanna be hated by everyone sure

[barren wraith]

ur game sense is def biggest issues

[silent monolith]

Not using apps

[twin osprey]

I pushed to gold with odin

[silent monolith]

Ops

[twin osprey]

I think my decision making is the biggest issue

not the game sense itself

[silent monolith]

Most likely

This is why me and my duo climbed so fast btw im more of a decision maker and he’s more of an Aimer

He gave me aim routines and tips I help him get better at decision making

[barren wraith]

what are you looking at start of every round and after you die what are you thinking about

[twin osprey]

nah bro is gonna come at me with the bs "do you think about how you could've changed the outcome or lived?"

yes

yes I do

I started doing that by myself a year ago

if I had to guess

[twin osprey]

damn that's good

[barren wraith]

uhhuh but is it proper

[twin osprey]

yes

it's all I can think about

and giving comms

after death

[silent monolith]

Wait I gotta ask

[twin osprey]

yea?

[silent monolith]

You said sometimes u just enter site and nobody is following

And they just go back

[twin osprey]

yea

happens to my friend too

[silent monolith]

Are you sure that’s not cus they are like 3 site

[twin osprey]

he's currently a raze main afaik

nah

[silent monolith]

Or cypher for example plays there

[twin osprey]

nah

[silent monolith]

Or already smoked off

[twin osprey]

I refuse to enter cypher site

but guess what

[barren wraith]

are you implementing it in games? Are you judging yourself after rounds instead of just reviewing?

[twin osprey]

my team nearly always decides to push in and die

so I just send it and die with them

[silent monolith]

Can you show me ur latest VOD

[twin osprey]

I judge myself for bodyshots tbh

[silent monolith]

I’ll watch it rq

[twin osprey]

it's somewhere up there

one sec

[silent monolith]

TL gonna win anyways

Not gonna pull the fnatic

[twin osprey]

^^

[barren wraith]

Are you looking at mechanics when you’re reviewing after you’re dead?

[twin osprey]

that's honestly the main thing I focus on

figuring out game sense things while in game is not the play

I can fix my mechanics mid match

[barren wraith]

So you aren’t doing it properly

[silent monolith]

Give me a little I’ll watch some of it

I’ll tell you what I see

[twin osprey]

I do both with a focus on mechanics

since I'm in low elo

that's the biggest issue here

[twin osprey]

ye dw I'm aim training rn anyway

[twin osprey]

oki doki

[barren wraith]

your focus shouldn’t be on mechanics here imo

you’re doing aim training ur practicing mechanics already

that’ll just like come naturally as you play more reviewing it after you die doesn’t help much

[twin osprey]

I still have gun fights where I just can't hit anything

in a 60 40

[twin osprey]

it does

for me

or at least

questioning it

[barren wraith]

How

[twin osprey]

well

[barren wraith]

Is it helping you in just that game improve or does it transfer to the next?

[twin osprey]

now that I think about it

it's more game sense

but like

why was I holding this angle?

[silent monolith]

I just watched the first round I saw few stuff

[twin osprey]

could've I hit a better shot if I swung wider?

etc.

[silent monolith]

First I feel like you took too long to smoke main

[twin osprey]

I become slightly better every time I play

[twin osprey]

oh no

[silent monolith]

One of ur mates died by the time u smoked

[twin osprey]

I was thinking where to smoke

[silent monolith]

Second you pushed mid it was fine chamber was deaf

[twin osprey]

their problem

they peeked into main

[silent monolith]

Nah

[twin osprey]

they took the chance

[silent monolith]

Smoke faster

Prevent them for peeking

Anyways

[twin osprey]

I'm still amazed about that

[silent monolith]

Went mid chamber was deaf

Then you pushed spawn

[twin osprey]

nah imma just main duelist idc

[silent monolith]

You whiffed like 10 bullets fold back

This is why ur KAST may be bad

Look where u died

[twin osprey]

one sec

I died in mid

so?

oh you mean

that I couldn't smoke after my death?

[silent monolith]

That’s one thing

But I don’t see why you pushed that far

You could’ve held that angle

Instead of peeking it all the way

[twin osprey]

push everything with big confidence gives lots of kills in low elo

[silent monolith]

Whiff 3 bullets go back and comm rotate

[twin osprey]

there was a chance that they would've peeked from top mid

[silent monolith]

I see how that worked man

[twin osprey]

it works for others

[silent monolith]

Could’ve been a chance they went there and kill you from there after u whiffed on pho

Or whoever it was

[barren wraith]

kills don’t matter, you win 13 rounds you win, even if you have 30 kills that doesn’t mean tog win

I’ve had 40 kill games where we still don’t win

[silent monolith]

That’s true

My kill record was a loss

[twin osprey]

I see you watched the same video I did

[silent monolith]

Listen you should’ve just folded there probably or not push that far

You play smoke

In defense ur one of the most if not the most important agent in ur team

If u die in mid like that they can go both A and B then

[twin osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggEJtafOvzU

[twin osprey]

yea I understand

[silent monolith]

Second round why did you just jump peek it😭😭

[twin osprey]

I asssumed chamber was lurking

didn't know 4 people were gonna be there the second I decide to swign

swing*

[silent monolith]

Assumed

You had info about 1 dude mid

You got a marshal just hold it

They have a sheriff max

Another death without impact btw

So no KAST

[twin osprey]

that's defense tho

the team problem only happens on attack

(nearly always)

retaking can be a pain but it usually goes well and everyone runs in with me

[silent monolith]

Still

[twin osprey]

yea no I agree with you

[silent monolith]

Does it mean u can throw in defense and let ur team throw in attack idk

Also 4th round ur smoke on the 1v1 was kinda better for them

I would smoke bomb to fake probably

Or just let him ult

[twin osprey]

HELL YEA!!

[twin osprey]

yea that was a screw up

[silent monolith]

And idk why u peeked neon with the sheriff

[twin osprey]

I messed up the smoke that was worse than a bomb smoke

[silent monolith]

In backsite

You had a weapon

Probably a better chance to kill her but wtv

Stunned so not much to do anyways

[twin osprey]

I didn't notice it

round 4 was a disaster ngl

[silent monolith]

Also ur whole team positioning is weird

Idk why nobody stays mid

[twin osprey]

it's silver

[silent monolith]

You shouldn’t go there imo cus if u die ur cooked

This is why omen or astra are probably better

Cross map smokes

You can smoke A and chill in mid

[twin osprey]

or

I just play reyna

until diamond

[silent monolith]

Didn’t work for me

I got better stats but idk

Maybe until plat

[twin osprey]

I was plat for 2 games

because I lost both

and never got up to it

so I don't really count it

[silent monolith]

Oh man you gotta improve ur decision making

[twin osprey]

I know

[silent monolith]

I can’t even tell if ur aim is good

Cus u die to stupid reasons

Stupid decisions

If you want I’m down to see you play live

[twin osprey]

exactly

[twin osprey]

I can play a tdm if you want

[silent monolith]

I can’t do it rn since I’m not home

I’ll be back on Saturday

Lemme keep watching

[twin osprey]

me neither cause I'm playing aimlabs

[twin osprey]

what's your timezone

?

mine is cest

I can do sunday btw

[silent monolith]

Round 8 smoke was useless

Second smoke

Nobody is holding it

They can go through it no problems

[silent monolith]

You play on Warsaw we should be fine

GMT +2

[silent monolith]

Also works

Sat works aswell

Btw I main clove and omen so I can’t really help you out with duelist games

But in like round 10 or 9 I forgot u smoked off neon that has op

[twin osprey]

portugal?

I'm gmt + 1

[twin osprey]

nah I'm out in the afternoon

I might be able to do noon

[silent monolith]

Nah

[twin osprey]

I just need general tips

[silent monolith]

Alr lmk

[twin osprey]

france?

africa?

spain?

[silent monolith]

Cyprus

😭😭😭

[twin osprey]

isn't that to the right?

[silent monolith]

Wdym

[twin osprey]

how are you gmt + 2

I'm in austria

[silent monolith]

Magic idk

Google exists

[twin osprey]

buddy I got bad news

you're not gmt + 2

wait'

huh

[silent monolith]

So what am I bro😭🙏

[twin osprey]

nah you're right

[silent monolith]

LMAO

[twin osprey]

nah all good

I got the direction of the + mixed up

[twin osprey]

will do

[silent monolith]

All g

[twin osprey]

what servers do you play on though?

instanbul?

bahrain?

[silent monolith]

I play on multiple tbh

[twin osprey]

is there an athens server?

[silent monolith]

No no

All servers are bad so I just queue on ones under 90

[twin osprey]

damn what

[silent monolith]

Usually 80-

[twin osprey]

I got 20 ping

on frankfurt and warsaw

30 on paris

[silent monolith]

I usually get 60ish

[twin osprey]

like 30 on london

50 on madrid

[silent monolith]

I have 60 on Frankfurt

[twin osprey]

that's actually pretty good

[silent monolith]

70 in Paris

Also on London I think

[twin osprey]

I have a friend who lives in vienna as well and he gets like 50 - 60 on frankfurt 😭

[silent monolith]

Maybe 80

It’s not bad

But people call me a ping abuser all the time idk

[twin osprey]

yea

swinging with ping is really op

holding sucks

[silent monolith]

I don’t think that 60 ping is a big advantage for swinging

If at all

Pretty sure that tenz said something about it few months ago

[twin osprey]

really?

I mean it's still pretty good ngl

[silent monolith]

It’s okay

It’s definitely not bad

[twin osprey]

think so too

[silent monolith]

I’d say above 120+ is unplayable in like above diamond asc

Well

Not unplayable

But very hard

You have to predict shots

[twin osprey]

deffo

[silent monolith]

Also low ping has way more advantages than 50+

Literally just cope of low pings

You don’t understand how many clips I got of me raging cus my bullet didn’t register bro😭😭

On the worse servers like 80 ping usually

[twin osprey]

same tho...

I have 20 ping and my op shots phase through my opponents like 10% of the time

0% packet loss

[silent monolith]

Also I played once on 150 ping bro it was horrible

I got a clip of me getting shot through the wall cus the game didn’t register I jumped

[twin osprey]

yikes

[barren wraith]

Ye i watched but i think it’s good advice

[twin osprey]

I think it's great advice

the best one was that going 1 for 1 on defense is a disadvantage

I mean I knew that already but I never really thought about it

I'll pick my duels more carefully and try to stay alive on defense

[barren wraith]

just don’t take ones of you have man advantage

[stark spruce]

is this a time we can js go over the whole vod on call ?

[barren wraith]

Wait why do you have bodies showing

[silent monolith]

Why not

I have it aswell

[icy ember]

they’re bad

sometimes they’ll block your view of specific angles or players because of being on different heights (example haven A short to A lobby line)

if you disable them you still see a little icon that shows what agent and what team, but only when near the dead body

disabling corpses is better

[twin osprey]

I like seeing the corpse 😈

[twin osprey]

That happens so rarely idk

It’s not like I’m gonna go up a rank by doing something about it

[icy ember]

oh i agree

but the fact is it does mess you up sometimes

the moment it does mess you up you’ll wanna change it

i’ve had it happen to me

[twin osprey]

Never messed me up tbh

[twin osprey]

I will when it does

[icy ember]

play long enough eventually it will

[twin osprey]

How long have you played comp?

[icy ember]

2700 hours but i’d say it first happened to me around low asc so like 1k hours in

it is not a game changer

but it is marginally better

[twin osprey]

1k hours is nothing tbh

[twin osprey]

Could be

[icy ember]

it changes hyper specific scenarios

i would recommend disabling them anyway for the fact that it could happen

but it is unlikely to obstruct your vision that much

[twin osprey]

It does

[twin osprey]

Lightning could strike me when I’m running across a field but it never did.

[twin osprey]

Exactly

Unless the corpse is floating mid air

[icy ember]

this is more likely than lightning striking you

[twin osprey]

When I reach 1k hours I’ll likely be low gold 🙏

[twin osprey]

Sure hope so

[icy ember]

play your deathmatches

like way more than you think you have to

[twin osprey]

I did run across fields more than I should I think

[twin osprey]

Wait 1k hours only comp or all game modes?

[icy ember]

all modes

[twin osprey]

Yea dw I want to, I just play tdm for the daily win challenge lol

[icy ember]

so it was more like 800

[twin osprey]

Bruh

[twin osprey]

Well I’m already there then

And I’m

Silver 2

Wild

[icy ember]

climbing isn’t that difficult once you can actually identify your issues

and practice

[twin osprey]

Issue: skill

[twin osprey]

I doubt deathmatches will help me more than trying to fix my mistakes in comp.

For now

[icy ember]

no

they will

PLEASE play deathmatch i beg of you

ranked is much less effective at improving your mechanics, you need to get better movement and crosshair placement which comes from practice and gunfights

this is much more effective if the only thing you have to focus on is fights (deathmatch is literally that mode)

[supple nexus]

I have bodies turned off for a long time

[twin osprey]

I thought mechanics weren't my issue...?

[twin osprey]

no offense but I'll clean the floor with you and anyone who's immortal 1 and below in a 1v1 on drift.

I am that guy

[twin osprey]

ofc I need to get better movement and crosshair placement, everyone does

but my main issue is my decision making atm

[twin osprey]

I feel like it makes such a small difference that I'm too lazy to change it

[supple nexus]

I just didn't like the distraction on my screen

Plus i had read somewhere turning it off helps frames and i had a weaker laptop then

[twin osprey]

fair enough

[icy ember]

if you’re stuck in gold

mechanics are your issue

[twin osprey]

nuh uh

I'd fuck you up in a 1v1

[icy ember]

humble yourself

[twin osprey]

you eu?

[icy ember]

no and im not home lol

[twin osprey]

tough

then we can't

I only have eu accounts

[icy ember]

i wasnt gonna 1v1 you anyway idc

[twin osprey]

why

[icy ember]

because you’re arrogant and its annoying

not gonna give that the light of day

[twin osprey]

I have a multitude of clips to prove you wrong

[twin osprey]

then don't help me

[icy ember]

yeah man i wont

[twin osprey]

if you don't like me

[icy ember]

good luck

[twin osprey]

leave the thread

[twin osprey]

u2

[twin osprey]

and you're oblivious to the fact I have good mechanics and have terrible and I mean terrible decision making skills but oh well (atp aimbot wouldn't even really help)

[icy ember]

if your movement and peeking are good you can make relatively bad decisions and still win the 1v1s you take anyway

[twin osprey]

well I don't

[icy ember]

that’s all i have to say to you

then thats your problem

[twin osprey]

you're not wrong but you're not right either

[icy ember]

as someone who has consistently coached people across ranks below immo and they see ~300rr climbs at a minimum i know im right about this

[twin osprey]

improving my mechanics will not make me climb

winning more rounds will

the most efficient way to do this is to not peek into 5 people

there's many people with bad mechanics are great game sense in immortal

but barely anyone with great mechanics and bad game sense

they finally left the thread 🎉

time to improve

in aimlabs, because the vod review is on sunday

@silent monolith it’s so upsetting to see coaches not be open to other ideas apart from their own…

Can’t wait to climb with the advice I’ve got from everyone else and dm them in a few months saying that they were wrong.

[silent monolith]

I mean that’s what I did

I kinda VOD reviewed myself

[twin osprey]

you mean play a bunch of deathmatch?

[silent monolith]

No I mean record and review myself to see what I’m doing badly in games

I’ll be honest DMs had barely and improvement on me

[twin osprey]

I do that sometimes as well

[twin osprey]

@icy ember has a different opinion

[twin osprey]

^^

[twin osprey]

a teacher is an eternal student

[silent monolith]

I run TDMs not DMs

But there isn’t one way to success

Everyone has their own

[stark spruce]

i mean personally i can concur w zlab DMs helped me a fuck ton and would also highly recommend playing them

[twin osprey]

I do

[twin osprey]

Look, I’m not saying it’s not correct, I’m saying it won’t help me nearly as much as other stuff.

zlab is just not listening to me whatsoever and thinks they're always correct

[twin osprey]

basically this @stark spruce

[twin osprey]

also I'm not 100% sure what they meant with this

arrogant? just stating the truth

[twin osprey]

also this, simply being stuck in gold does not equal having bad mechanics

I could 100% play in at least diamond - ascendant with my mechanics

and when I'm proud of my mechanics, I'm being "arrogant"

[stark spruce]

it probably will because you dont need "100% optimal improvements methods!!!!!" ur gold you have a lot to improve on this was my mindset when i was gold LOLL

[twin osprey]

have you seen my peak mechanics clips? I doubt it.

everyone's story is slightly different

just because you had many weaknesses in gold doesn't mean I do

at least not in the mechanics department

everywhere else I do

[stark spruce]

okay im gonna be frank ur weakness is almost mechs below immo this may sound crazy and even if it isnt your worse thing there is no harm in always having a goal to do that has your mechanics in minds

doesnt mean you should only focus on mechs doesnt mean you should never think you did something dumb

just means always work on improving them that is literally what i am doing right now spamming dms

[twin osprey]

Then I’m going to be Dean and @silent monolith will be Sammy.

[twin osprey]

I know, my mechanics need improvement, just not nearly as much as the rest.

Also about the whole Diamond - ascendant thing, I lied, it’s more immortal tbh if I really locked in. 😭🙏

[twin osprey]

But we’ll never find out because I already die in silver/gold before you can see my mechanics or anything.

[twin osprey]

Many times I do something incredibly smart and whiff everything but I at least can recognize the good play even though it may have failed.

[twin osprey]

I actually want to spam dms but I feel like it won’t do much for me. In comp I have the same mechanics but when you look at them from a third perspective it looks like it’s my 100th comp game or something.

I have 1339 comp games btw

Currently I’m on my aimlabs grind again though

#1 in my country realized I’m creeping up on him lol

Bruh they just fucking flew away

Ain’t no way I’m catching them

That’s crazy

I don’t think he’s stopping either

😀

[silent monolith]

Wdym mechanics

Btw

Do you watch any streamers or pro players play ranked

[twin osprey]

anything used in a fight

movement

gun hygiene

aim

holds

peeks/swings

[twin osprey]

sometimes

I mostly watch highlights and try to figure out what went right and wrong.

also it keeps me motivated to keep grinding because sometimes I see a clip I genuinely think I couldn't achieve YET

[silent monolith]

Show me in TDM

[silent monolith]

I think if you watch others you can learn how to be like them in terms of movement and plays

You can’t mimic aim

But movement is in my opinion easier than aim

[twin osprey]

should I make a TDM vod?

[twin osprey]

I try

but holy, not sure who it is but I think it's Primmie who has INSANE peeks

like as close to the wall as you can while still seeing the enemy fully

[twin osprey]

I have my own aiming style

[twin osprey]

agree

[silent monolith]

Primmie is a good player in comp but I feel like the only thing you wanna look at him for is movement

But it’s very hard and unique

[twin osprey]

I know 😭

and is it also Primmie who crouch tap peeks people or is that someone else?

[twin osprey]

I feel like movement comes with game sense though

at least parts of it

[twin osprey]

so should I make a vod of TDM or nah?

[stark spruce]

💀😭

[twin osprey]

but oh well

[stark spruce]

Your mechanics are bad your crosshair placement is bad your movement is bad

[twin osprey]

disagree

at least you recognize my aim isn't bad

[stark spruce]

You are clueless

[twin osprey]

how many hours do you have in comp?

are you a coach?

have you ever not thought you were correct

(even if they person you were talking to was low elo)

[stark spruce]

I have less hours than you in comp and I climbed from iron to high immo 2

[twin osprey]

good for you

[stark spruce]

From 0 prior pc gaming

You asked

[twin osprey]

then you're probably talented

👍

[stark spruce]

Im not i worked on improving everyday

It wasnt one day i was suddenly the goat i played my games everyday and i played dms

[twin osprey]

me too

didn't make me immo 2 though

how come?

[twin osprey]

yea no shit

guess what I did and do?

[stark spruce]

Because u dont actually work on improving?

[twin osprey]

I do

why would I make a thread

if I thought it was my team's fault?

[stark spruce]

U spam aimlabs with no real in game time to back it up

[twin osprey]

you have less in game time than me I thought...?

[twin osprey]

^^

[stark spruce]

Okay

[twin osprey]

aimlabs is more enjoyable than valorant atm icl

[stark spruce]

Vro

Listen when i play the game i actually focus and improve on stuff not mindlessly spamming ranked

[twin osprey]

that's what I do too

don't try to find excuses for being toxic

[stark spruce]

When i was grinding i played my 2-3 ranked gmes a day i played deathmatches i worked on stuff in the range

[twin osprey]

me too

I stopped doing that when I realized it wasn't working

[stark spruce]

You do not play deathmatches so i doubt you work in the range

[twin osprey]

now I stopped playing valorant as much and I play aimlabs for fun

[twin osprey]

I used to

like

a lot

[stark spruce]

What was your goal while u were playing deathmatches?

[twin osprey]

I train my movement in the range

[twin osprey]

improve

[stark spruce]

Did u have any?

[twin osprey]

be more precise

don't crouch spray

[stark spruce]

So you disnt have any specific goals while dming? Do you have goals in ranked?

[twin osprey]

crosshair on potential target location

[stark spruce]

Did u actively think of these things while u were playing?

[twin osprey]

I tell you many goals I had you: "So you didn't have any?"

[twin osprey]

yes

[twin osprey]

my goals in ranked are pretty much the same + game sense stuff

[stark spruce]

Because your goals are nothing burgers

[twin osprey]

thinking about how the enemy plays

how I can adapt

etc.

[twin osprey]

what were your goals then?

enlighten me

[stark spruce]

Be more precise dont crouch spray with no real way to achieve rhem

[twin osprey]

wdym

there is a way

you can force yourself to play differently

...

[stark spruce]

Head level crosshair placement and swinging angles with A and D

The most basic fundamental goals you should have in dms

AND GUESS WHAT I STILL WORK ON MY CROSSHAIR PLACEMENT IN DMS

[twin osprey]

^^ this is "Head level crosshair placement"

I forgot to mention the A and D angle swing stuff

but that's cause you didn't give me any time

you instantly assumed my goals were bogus

[stark spruce]

Cuz the first ones u put are

[twin osprey]

me too...?

I never said I really stopped

I don't do it as often anymore

[twin osprey]

those are valid goals

😹

[stark spruce]

“Play dms” “nah” “okay but i thinj u should play dm” “nah”

[twin osprey]

if someone crouch sprays everyone

then they should try and avoid that

[twin osprey]

I didn't say I don't play them at all

I barely play them nowadays

because guess what?

[stark spruce]

Ohhhhhh

So u dont play them)

[twin osprey]

making bad decisions is way worse

[twin osprey]

I barely play them I said

[stark spruce]

INSHALLAH your a baka

[twin osprey]

"okay but I think you should play dm" what if it's wrong?

[twin osprey]

leave the thread ngl

your opinion is worthless

[stark spruce]

Whats wrong with playing dms?

[twin osprey]

nothing

it's just less effective

[stark spruce]

??????

[twin osprey]

than focusing on my game sense issues

that's what I've been trying to tell you the whole fucking time

[stark spruce]

LOL

[twin osprey]

...

[stark spruce]

Brother u can focus on both at the same time

[twin osprey]

this is a very one-sided conversation

[twin osprey]

I'd rather focus 100% on game sense first

[stark spruce]

Have 1 game sense goal and one mechs goal AND I SAID THAT EARLIER

[twin osprey]

dms won't help if I get killed before I can even shoot

[twin osprey]

when?

I didn't see it

[stark spruce]

What time outside of the game helps u with gamesense?

Ill find it for u pewkie bear

[twin osprey]

wdym

[stark spruce]

.

[twin osprey]

it should be the other way around for me tho

90% game sense and 10% mechanics focus

my mechanics aren't flawless and I still have to detect mistakes

but my game sense is bad

[stark spruce]

I mean if ur focusing on gamesense outside the game then that would be a valid reason to not play dms if u are correct ur mechs are hood

[twin osprey]

I still don't understand

you mean vod reviews and stuff or what?

[stark spruce]

What have ur notes been from VOD reviews?

Have u written any down to solo focus on in the next week or so of fames?

Cuz i feel like that would be helpful or do u autopilot and say the first thing that comes to mind after u die?

[twin osprey]

bad game sense

[twin osprey]

mental notes

[twin osprey]

I don't autopilot

[stark spruce]

What great knowledge has been bestowed upon me that a gold has bad gamesense

[twin osprey]

I don't play enough to autopilot

[twin osprey]

yes but you were so hyper fixated on mechanics somehow

you ignored my game sense

[stark spruce]

BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SHOOT THEM

I HAVE BAD SENSE I WATCH PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIT RADIANT DO DUMB PLAYS

[twin osprey]

I can't shoot 5 people

did you even look at my vods

??

[stark spruce]

You cant 100% make the right play and u wont a lot of the time but you can optimize ur mechs for them ti be the best

[twin osprey]

dumb plays is different from peeking into 3 people and getting sprayed down

[stark spruce]

I watched u stare at a wall ans swing A short on haven like 8 times

[twin osprey]

again, mechanics are not winning me a 1v5 when they're all looking at me from main

[twin osprey]

haven?

[stark spruce]

They could?

[stark spruce]

Yes i watched other vods

[twin osprey]

🫥

[twin osprey]

A and D are the most effective ways to swing :3333

[stark spruce]

Brother something in mechanics is called slicing the pie and dms help

[twin osprey]

I know

you think I don't know all this?

[stark spruce]

Are u being intentionally dull huhduh whatever doctor houae

[twin osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaxHEeAWEw&ab_channel=LimeDragonBoi

Could they help me here??

hmm??

[twin osprey]

yea I was trolling there

[stark spruce]

Slice the pie brother

I LIKE PIE ITS YUMMY U SHOULD WANNA CUT URSELF A PIECE NO?

[twin osprey]

I do now

[twin osprey]

nah I put the whole pie in my mouth :O

[stark spruce]

LOL there u go now practice that in dms or tdms

[twin osprey]

I do

I can already do that

bro like

I'm agreeing with you on like 90% and you still fight against me

I don't get it

[stark spruce]

Now go explore and venture off like a butterfly after blooming from its cocoon

[twin osprey]

not happening

[stark spruce]

U baka

I had one hour less of dms last act than u have played ever

Like they are fun its builds good mental if u play them

[twin osprey]

good mental?

not for me

[stark spruce]

Pshhhh who wants that

[twin osprey]

it's annoying when I don't see anyone for half a minute and then 3 people peek from 3 angles

people spawn behind me

like 1 meter behind me

all the time

I'd rather play tdm

[stark spruce]

You can here spawn noise

Then play tdm anything its ur game to play

[twin osprey]

I can't turn around when I'm fighting someone in front of me

[twin osprey]

🙏

[stark spruce]

I also played tdm last act ill check what it goes up to ur time in tdm

[twin osprey]

I barely played last act btw

[stark spruce]

Then js play the gameeeee

[twin osprey]

sorry for wasting your time, I learned nothing except you think you're always right and that you peaked immo 2

👍

[twin osprey]

not feeling like it rn

maybe next act

[stark spruce]

😭😭you baaaaaka

You said u learned slicing the pie i am god among men

😼

[twin osprey]

when?

I already know that since like

more than a year

[twin osprey]

^^

[stark spruce]

Huzzah

[twin osprey]

there's nothing left for me to learn theoretical wise

I know so much it's concerning

[stark spruce]

Ohhhhh rearry

Whats the square root of viper wall

[twin osprey]

which part exactly?

length, width or height?

color?

[stark spruce]

Diversity i believe

[twin osprey]

you mean the thingy at the top?

the particles

[stark spruce]

Not sure

[twin osprey]

anyway imma make a TDM vod today of like 2 tdms and send it here

just to prove my mechanics are fine up until AT LEAST diamond

[twin osprey]

the vod is pretty bad

but tbf it was basically my warm up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoQ6ofAHuUM&ab_channel=LimeDragonBoi

https://tracker.gg/valorant/match/4ce893cd-122b-4cda-bded-05bcb0be748c

[twin osprey]

@stark spruce @silent monolith

[barren wraith]

dude people are giving you advice about things people who are higher ranked then you and better at the game than you are and you won’t take their advice.

staying in aimlabs for 3 hours won’t make you better at valorant

I know someone who’s in radiant and has great mechanics and in Aimlabs for his valorant benchmarks he has iron and bronze scores

[twin osprey]

correct, because I believe they're wrong

my mechanics are diff

[twin osprey]

maybe not in this video though, I was kinda rusty

[twin osprey]

aimlabs > valorant

it's more fun

that's why I do it

[twin osprey]

that's a bit hard to believe tbh

many of the tasks translate to valorant very well vise versa

[barren wraith]

He genuinely does have iron/bronze in valorant benchmarks. He was also Rank 1 NA

and doesn’t aim train

and his headshot percentage is like 37%

in radiant

[barren wraith]

prolly why you don’t rank up

[twin osprey]

headshot percentage doesn't matter that much

[twin osprey]

why would it be harder in radiant?

yea move more normal (usually)

in iron they jump around and shit and you hit their feet sometimes

[twin osprey]

hard to rank up when you don't play, great insight. but seriously, I'll start playing soon.

[twin osprey]

I know a guy who's in silver with a 47% headshot percentage lol

it says nothing

[barren wraith]

A little bit

[twin osprey]

very little

[barren wraith]

it shows good crosshair placement

Also high in radiant bc in general they have much better movement

[twin osprey]

I guess

[twin osprey]

that's true

[barren wraith]

that’s why someone who’s in like iron and is like my headshot percentage is high isn’t like a big brag or anything

[twin osprey]

hmm

[twin osprey]

I'll tell him next time

[barren wraith]

bc most of the time theyre hitting shots that are on stand still people

[twin osprey]

in silver they do move though

I myself play in silver

[barren wraith]

they don’t move well

They peek badly, their strafe patterns are easily readable

[barren wraith]

also i’m talking about Vora

[twin osprey]

also I'm talking about myself

[twin osprey]

the strafe pattern is called 3 bodyshots with the sheriff

[barren wraith]

ad ad ad ad

or they strafe too tiny

[twin osprey]

I do that way too often icl

but I die before that anyway so it doesn't matter

anyway

half the people are telling me my mechanics are the issue and the other half says game sense, what do you think? @barren wraith

[barren wraith]

both.

If you’re in gold/silver, literally everything

there isn’t even one specific issue it’s just everything

There may be one specific thing that makes the biggest impact on how your performing within game sense or aim but overall everything can be improved a significant amount

[twin osprey]

insane pb

[twin osprey]

which one do I work on first though?

[twin osprey]

I agree, but which one takes priority?

[twin osprey]

except the aim part

[barren wraith]

show me your vt benchmarks rn

[twin osprey]

nuh uh

not done with them yet

I'll send them in 2 weeks, ok?

@barren wraith

going off now, gn

[barren wraith]

wdym

@twin osprey

not done with them?

[twin osprey]

I don't wanna send them yet

[barren wraith]

why

[twin osprey]

in 2 weeks they'll be looking way better

[twin osprey]

cause I'm close to making them look good

[barren wraith]

what rank

[twin osprey]

can't say

:>

[barren wraith]

in 2 weeks what rank

[twin osprey]

radiant complete

[barren wraith]

normal benchmarks

[twin osprey]

we don't talk about those 😐

🫥

[barren wraith]

those ones matter more lol

[twin osprey]

how so?

they're not valorant specific

also I barely touched them in a month or so

my aim got better

anywayyy gn

I'll see if I can improve those benches in the next 2 weeks as well

[barren wraith]

This guy

is ascendant rn and was immortal

Raw aim is only like 20-40% of valorant aim

[barren wraith]

As a jett and chamber main

[short island]

I don't play anymore but those look similar enough to mine and I was Asc. Just perma grinding VT/Aimlabs/Kovaaks is a giga waste of time

Also didn't watch the whole thing but you have very "I'm too cool for school" teenager energy where you think you're the protagonist and you play like you're just going to hit clips

You actually want to get good then play more seriously and try to actually do the fundamentals and not try to hit clips for TikTok

[barren wraith]

I agree with this

[barren wraith]

I agree with this aswell grinding them is definitely a waste of time. Playing a routine every night even if that’s some just like doing the benchmarks and trying to improve on scores is beneficial

But at some point you’ll reach diminishing returns

[short island]

Yeah playing a routine because you enjoy it/relaxing/keeps you warm/focused or whatever is great but grinding to be some VT GM is the fakest thing anyone can do to improve

[silent monolith]

DEFINETLY possible

I hit immortal and most my scores are plat or diamond

[barren wraith]

Yes like I was saying EX Rank 1 player is literally Iron complete in VT benches

he only plays centering for fun

He just dumped like 5k hours into the game

[twin osprey]

Good enough for me

[twin osprey]

giga waste of time giga fun time

[twin osprey]

I do hit clips

I don't go for them, I just like pushing out everywhere but oftentimes it's the wrong play

[twin osprey]

I don't have TikTok chief 😭 🙏

[twin osprey]

radiant complete

is when I'll pause grinding

pause because I want to be one of the best

[twin osprey]

I guess

[twin osprey]

that's not the same as being iron

[twin osprey]

centering is my specialty (angle track aurora player here, soon angelic 🙏 )

[twin osprey]

that's for sure one of the ways yo ucan improve

[silent monolith]

My tracking is like silver

On a good day

Maybe gold

[twin osprey]

wild

not everyone likes aim trainers tbf

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[barren wraith]

If you're trying to improve at valorant play valorant

[twin osprey]

that's what I'll be doing in around 2 weeks

[silent monolith]

Yeah that’s not the only reason to though

I mean

Not the only way to improve

[short island]

True but ngl there’s little hope for OP since it’s more of an ego issue than something a new routine or practice will fix

Won’t really matter if he plays Val or aim trains or whatever since it’s a mentality issue

[twin osprey]

I'm not entirely convinced it's an ego issue

playing the game for 5k more hours will certainly help

but even then I might not reach immortal

I've recognized that I am the reason that I lose, not my team (a long time ago actually)

and since I do have experience in the game and because of talking to other people about their experiences, I just deny lots of ideas, because I don't think they will work on me, since I've tried many of them alreadt

already*

[twin osprey]

you couldn't be more wrong tbh

mentality is the only thing apart from aim that I can tell you for sure is NOT an issue

the rest sure, overall mechanics and game sense, they all need improvement in one way or another

[barren wraith]

You’re really helping your case

it’s 100% a mental issue ngl

there is no other reason

There is a mental block there and the sooner you can aknowledge that the sooner you’ll get better

in over 600 hours you’ve made it into plat one time

[barren wraith]

because you think wrong

[barren wraith]

okay?

[barren wraith]

You’ve tried many, ideas can be used in conjunction with each other. Throwing ideas away because they may not have worked for you right away is wasted potential

[barren wraith]

Every.Thing. Is.An.ISSUE.

YOU ARE A GOLD PLAYER

GOLD

YOU ARE GOLD

YOURE GOLD

GOLD GOLD GOLD

THERE ISNT ONE THING YOU COULDNT IMPROVE ON

I need you to understand a strength we humans have or atleast most of us called Humility

which is basically being humble and realizing that you can always improve on something

[twin osprey]

let me stop you right there

I'm actually silver

[barren wraith]

Even if something is good it can be improved

[twin osprey]

😹

[twin osprey]

which one?

[twin osprey]

how do I think right

[barren wraith]

You’re mechanics aren’t perfect, You’re mentality isn’t perfect nothing is perfect, no skill you have in valorant is even close to being perfect.

[twin osprey]

fair enough, what should I do?

[barren wraith]

Why are you asking me?

[twin osprey]

nah, aim really isn't and aim isn't everything there is to mechanics, so I'm definitely right about that tiny little point

[twin osprey]

-# aim

well technically

I am still improving there

[barren wraith]

Youre aim isn’t perfect.

[twin osprey]

but soon the curve of time spent on improving vs improvement will be not so efficient anymore

[twin osprey]

not yet

[barren wraith]

No it never will be

You’re striving for perfect aim in valorant for what bro

[twin osprey]

just leave me the aim part man

[twin osprey]

agree

you can improve indefinitely

it just doesn't make sense at some point

[barren wraith]

You can’t improve bc you’re mentality is awful

[twin osprey]

I don't see the issue with my mentality tbh but go on

[barren wraith]

Please explain to me how you see valorant ranks and such

[twin osprey]

no idea, you're the only one active here besides from me

[twin osprey]

no one will ever achieve perfect aim

[barren wraith]

or improvement in valorant in general

[twin osprey]

humans make mistakes

[twin osprey]

not in valorant, in general

[twin osprey]

you still haven't said what's the issue with it

simply because I say something won't work for me doesn't mean I have a big ego or a bad mentality

[barren wraith]

Idk bc you won’t explain ur mentality

[twin osprey]

they're only there for flex and regulating the skill imbalance (they do the 2nd point poorly)

you can't categorize any ranks by any skill level because everyone is different and better in something than the other

some are better in everything and still don't rank up for whatever reason

being a rank doesn't mean you're good

is what I'm trying to say

and the opposite as well

being a rank doesn't mean you're bad

it gives an estimate of your skill level

[twin osprey]

I'm not sure I understand what exactly you want me to say here ngl

[barren wraith]

How were you actively improving

[twin osprey]

my mentality is that I am the sole problem for not winning (oftentimes this is correct)

[twin osprey]

good question

I just played a fuck ton and then I stopped improving

[barren wraith]

How are you taking losses

[twin osprey]

idk, depends how well I played

[barren wraith]

So you plateaued, hit a barrier, and then became obsessed with aim

[barren wraith]

How do you see deaths in the game

Are you looking at them positively or negatively

[twin osprey]

I'm not sure if I aim trained back then, but I just looked for other ways to improve because I wasn't improving by playing more (or at least very slowly). I really got into Woohoojin and pro play analysis (Teets).

[twin osprey]

either they were valuable or they weren't

[barren wraith]

Wdym by that

[twin osprey]

depends on the situation, if I die but my teammate gets 3, then it's good

if I die somewhere and get no info

bad