0.13 Dev Builds Issue Tracking

[craggy jasper]

or split the lines

rather than running that many machines on one power cable

[plush cradle]

3 solutions:

1. More battery buffers
2. More generators
3. Split that line into 2 or 3 segments each with their own generator

[craggy jasper]

exactly what im saying

the error is on the user's end

the mod is working as intended

[barren spade]

4. give every machine a machine controller. easiest way

[plush cradle]

Yep.

[craggy jasper]

thats also an option

[plush cradle]

FWIW the dev run had groups of 16 machines powered by 4A charging a 16A battery buffer for on demand and we never ran into issues.

[barren spade]

fair though you read the patch notes, I thought this was a temporary bug and perhaps a timer mechanic for restart was intended

[plush cradle]

Those HV machines were built in 7.0.0, when the powerfail system couldn't be overriden by machine controllers. So before option 4 was a thing.
Never any issues. Ever.

I feel confident calling this a PBKAC situation.

I'll be real tho. This entire discussion is a https://xkcd.com/1172/ moment.

xkcd: Workflow

There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.

[daring osprey]

So is that how the new button works? When prevent power failing is turned ON it is the new behavior, OFF it continuously restarts?

[plush cradle]

Not 100% sure about what the new button looks like because I never needed it.
Screenshot?

But from your wording I assume that "prevent powerfailing" means that it prevents the new behavior and thus uses the old one.

[daring osprey]

Hmm okay I'll have to test it, let me get screenshot of the wording. I definitely had a few growing pains with my initial EV setup with turbines needing to ramp up

Couldn't keep them ramping without power draw, can't draw power since they auto shut off lmao

there is no tooltip or anything, which i would feel would be an incredible help

[barren spade]

I wonder myself, I just went around the base and slapped machine controllers on everything, but is the default behavior 'prevent power failing' ON or OFF..

Do we have to go open up a menu and change the state on every one of them? THAT wouldn't be a PEBKAC error

[daring osprey]

i mean the solution is for sure to not design ur power infra poorly

those are worth setting up on like, fuel creation lines only

so it doesnt fail catastrophically leaving no fuel to restart

[barren spade]

nevertheless making something super irritating by default is not super fun, though I wonder if there's a gregtech PR in general on default behaviors

at least for moni, almost 99% of the time, every pump and every conveyer is inverted from the setting you want to use

and the parallel hatches default to x1 instead of (max parallel of this hatch)

just one of those things that starts to get annoying after a while

[daring osprey]

it would be much worse if every single machine on a power network will always try to draw max power

you would literally never be able to turn your base back on if u ever lost power

[barren spade]

no I mean if someone slaps a machine controller on a machine at all, it should have the 'prevent power failing' enabled by default if its not

[daring osprey]

maybe it does

you are welcome to test since apparently your base suffers from this issue

[barren spade]

I'm trying

but this is what the UI currently looks like

I slapped one on everything, this is a machine I was having trouble with (I am giving is slightly too few amps sometimes)

I dunno if it's on or not

looks off but it's been an hour an no powerfail

[plush cradle]

Looks off to me.
I'll ask a GTm dev about the reasoning behind the current default values one of these days.

[barren spade]

or config file options for common defaults since the premier greg pack, gtnh, may need those settings

[plush cradle]

GT:NH is 1.7.10, so a different mod from us entirely.

TFG, Frontiers, Sky of Grind, etc. Those are the packs that could use different default configs.

[regal badger]

any updates on prismatic crucible crafts?

[plush cradle]

It is one of the most obscure bugs in the history of Monifactory, and even a couple GTm devs are stumped by it.

It will be fixed when it can be.

[regal badger]

okay 🙏 its soon me and my friend hardlocked rn

GTm is greg tech moni?

[plush cradle]

Gregtech Modern, the GT version on 1.20.1

Moni does NOT have its own GT version and never will LMAO

[daring osprey]

its all ogre

[plush cradle]

???

[hidden pewter]

Update

Two of us from GTM spent the last four hours trying to find the bug.

We found it.

We have two possible ways to fix it, but those will need to wait for tomorrow when we are all more awake.

[plush cradle]

Thanks a lot for the help ^^

[regal badger]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-dancing-dance-ballo-ballare-gif-19529927

[daring osprey]

Unless I'm missing something it's a 4x jean nerf

[plush cradle]

Yeah. JEAN had no business having plasma-level fuel density LMAO.

It's still 100% worth it for the toluene you save alone.

Also makes cryolobus smelt faster (unchanged from 0.12)

And since the recipe is shorter people should have no more issues with half-amp 128s recipes.

[mighty hatch]

i have problem with this pattern. if craft them without blocking mode and package provider send resources more one craft, assembler take 64 wire from first slot and will stop until u can move wire from last slot...

[silver hornet]

what is this screenshot showing? what gui is this?

[mighty hatch]

the recipe above is the same, only encoded for positioned package distributor

they work fine if u request one at a time

[silver hornet]

in my testing, requesting two pattern buffers at the same time without blocking mode worked just fine

oop

nvm

just encountered the problem you were having

64x in last, 32x in second, none in first

this seems to be a bug with PackagedAuto, I recommend reporting it to them

[mighty hatch]

need to have 2 crafting resources in buffers(assembly line craft someone, ore disabling AL before test)

[mighty hatch]

this work same if u put resources with hand(for 2 craft), and then enable assembly line

[silver hornet]

oh
then this seems to be a GTM bug

%t gtmi

[topaz shard]

Report issues and/or missing features for GT Modern to the repo so they can be fixed.

[plush cradle]

3x 32 wire? We have that recipe in the pack?

[mighty hatch]

yes

[plush cradle]

Damn

[static gull]

want me to make a PR to make it 64 in 1 slot and 32 in another?

[silver hornet]

blocking mode solves the problem

[static gull]

mk

[mighty hatch]

try another recipe(with someone item in several slots) in creative. it work same

[static gull]

why are the foils not even next to each other

[silver hornet]

its tube covered in microversium with some ulv circuit on top

we started making these recipes after we decided to make asslines ordered

[plush cradle]

That's normal. This and causality exempt plating are supposed to be split.
Pattern buffer was what surprised me.

[mighty hatch]

but on them issue are same 🙂

[plush cradle]

No. There are ways to automate it if you're smart about it. The issue is that the plan was to keep that for UEV, not for LuV.

[silver hornet]

nono theres an intended thing in gtm

[mighty hatch]

now i solve it with blocking mode.

[silver hornet]

for example, if you have a recipe with three stacks of 32 like with pattern buffer, and you insert two batches, then each bus will have 64, but then the assline pulls 92 regardless of bus placement, so the first bus loses 64 and the second one loses 32 and the third is untouched, breaking the second recipe

[mighty hatch]

i report issue in gtceu and he's already closed....

[hidden pewter]

Yes. Because we found that bug two weeks ago and fixed it. The next time we publish a new version (7.2.1), the fix will be in it.

[mighty hatch]

i read pulled commit. this good.

[runic ore]

this got balanced in 0.13 right?

ngl this is funny

[craggy jasper]

is this intended?

world generated in build 102 hm

naquadah is spawning in the end and even has surface rocks, attempting to prospect them via rightclick crashes the game

they can still be collected tho

[static gull]

[gentle osprey]

@plush cradle all of the issues on the pinned message in this channel are closed or have an open PR that resolves them whenever you want to deal with it

[silver hornet]

did the grains of infinity recipe get changed to not have dew of the void?

no it did not

[gentle osprey]

IIRC it's a GTM bug where rock crushers bug out when provided a recipes that has a fluid requirement with fluids not added by MC or GTM

it's the same with Netherrack since that uses Gelid Cryotheum which is added by KJS

[silver hornet]

i agree
those methods got changed at least somewht in 7.2.1, but thats not out yet
so i propose we change the recipe until then to make grains obtainable pre rock cycle simulator

[gentle osprey]

if we do that what are the odds we actually remember to change it back tho

[plush cradle]

What do we do then? Netherrack and grains of infinity are kind of necessary.

[silver hornet]

better have it not as originally intended than straight up broken

[gentle osprey]

could comment out the second half of the requirement ig

[plush cradle]

True.

[gentle osprey]

so it just needs lava, & then when the fix comes out we just uncomment it

[silver hornet]

yeah thats what i meant when i said 'change the recipe'

[plush cradle]

True. Will also not break build 100 setups and they'll self repair once GTm fix comes out as well.

[gentle osprey]

is there an open issue for this on GTM?
for the possibility that 7.2.1 fixes an unrelated bug

looks like a no

OK I made one

[flat hinge]

has the naq orevein not being removed from the end bug been reported

[gentle osprey]

IDTS

[flat hinge]

@silver hornet you found the bug first can you make a gtm issue about the naq vein not being removed please

[static gull]

ima run a quick git bisect

[flat hinge]

uh oki

[craggy jasper]

there's also a few oxide dusts with improper names that you get from making dirty hexafluorosilicic solution but im guessing this is a gtm issue?

[static gull]

wtf is dirty hexafluorosilicic and why is it needed

[craggy jasper]

used for eltic sludge

which is used to make more eltz

[static gull]

so it's probably not a GTm issue

[flat hinge]

        .dust()
        .color(0x231e1e)
        .components(GTMaterials.Iron.multiply(1), GTMaterials.Oxygen.multiply(1))```

[static gull]

seems like a lang issue

[flat hinge]

yeah thats a kjs issue

[static gull]

-# I thought the chemical name for FeO was wrong, my dumbass didn't realize the glaring lang problem 😭

[flat hinge]

what are the other ones without names?

[craggy jasper]

same goes for lithium and manganese oxide which are visible in the image

lithium_oxide and manganese_oxide are the other ones

[flat hinge]

oki

[gentle osprey]

Working on a naq vein report actually

[flat hinge]

thank you

[gentle osprey]

with a cleaner 1.20 instance so it doesn't get blamed on Moni

[static gull]

I assume it was working in 7.1.4

[static gull]

is it a moni issue?

[craggy jasper]

was build 100 on 7.1.4?

[gentle osprey]

about to find out

[static gull]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy jasper]

my world from build 100 had no naq in the end

[flat hinge]

i think build 100 was 7.2.0 tho?

[static gull]

check what GT version you have

[craggy jasper]

build 100 was on 7.1.4

just checked

[flat hinge]

oh

right i'm thinking of 101

[gentle osprey]

It is indeed a GTM issue

[static gull]

oh phew

[static gull]

can you give me the file you used to test it

[flat hinge]

i'm doing the uh oxide lang pr btw

[craggy jasper]

i shouldve said something about the oxides earlier

noticed them in build 100 but thought it was already reported

oh well

[gentle osprey]

server script

[static gull]

thanks

[craggy jasper]

if it matters, the smaller versions of the dusts are also incorrectly named

guessing that the main dust fixes the smaller versions

[static gull]

should be fixed if we give the whole material a name

[flat hinge]

oki pr made

[regal badger]

still waiting for the prism crucible to be fixed

🙏

[static gull]

whats wrong with it?

[regal badger]

https://discordapp.com/channels/914926812948234260/1404887584559337684/1429066710539042846

[static gull]

ah

[flat hinge]

https://legacy.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/monilabs/files/7121727 this monilabs version should fix things -- we finally figured out what the problem was

[regal badger]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-kiss-kissing-bacio-mamma-gif-19532670

[barren spade]

ok so do the grains work : void, -61, HV block breaker, it has power and a grain of infinity in it. 2 sides have a lava source block.

[silver hornet]

grains of infinity are broken as of build 102, feel free to cheat some in until next build comes out

[daring osprey]

large miners not crushing stuff on other planets is a bug right?

[flat hinge]

yes, a gtm bug. they know about it and it'll be fixed in gtm 7.3.0 but we have no control over it

[daring osprey]

okay, just double checking its not user error

[stiff moth]

There is a bug with wireless ME terminal. Unfortunately I dont have proper steps to reproduce, but hopefully someone else also reports this.
I have 2 networks in my base (main + ores). Each of them has own quantum bridge set up. I crafted 2 pairs of singularities and two wireless ME terminals, one per bridge. I renamed terminals in anvil into "Ores" and "Main". This setup worked for a month approx.
Today I was casually exploring the world for new ores after update. I was switching between terminals back and forth, sometimes using tool belt to store the terminals.
Somehow I ended up with 2 identical "Ores" terminals. I couldn't believe my eyes, so I checked singularities. And it was confirmed - now I have 3 identical singularities which I believe should not even be possible

if this is useful, here are the cards of terminal.
Both terminals had identical cards

[plush cradle]

This is an AE2 issue or a tool belt issue, not a Moni issue.

But damn WTF?

[runic ore]

why this Moni Add-on Mod Item has no recipe?

It's like any Memory Cards after all

Flux Configurator is different to Admin Configurator anyway

[mighty hatch]

or make multiblock rock cycle simulator

[silver hornet]

yes that also works

[plush cradle]

No idea. Might have been a bug with it or sth? Or an oversight. Not many people play with FluxNets TBF

[runic ore]

it's hard to tell, i hope it gets fix in later version regardless

it's basically uncraftable unlike other Flux Items

[plush cradle]

I don't use FluxNets (and personally dislike the mod in Moni since I'm a RF hater) but I'm also a dev and this looks like an issue.

What does the item do?

[runic ore]

basically acts like Memory Card (AE2 and Gregtech)

it copies the configuration from main source of flux then copy it to the targeted source

copy and paste basically

[plush cradle]

Then I feel like having a flux core at the end of 2 sticks should do as a recipe or sth

Maybe slap in a memory card or a data stick somewhere in there too.

[runic ore]

for better details

[plush cradle]

Yeah. Nothing this item can do to ruin balance that the flux points and plugs themselves don't already do.

I am kind of useless with optional compats so uh... Can someone who knows how to make those add a recipe ?

[barren spade]

did you need to stick that simulator at the right height level

or does it just work

[mighty hatch]

yea. controler must stand in bottom world(between -59 and -63 height)

[violet dragon]

RF hater? Why is that?

How do you transport power around your base?

[plush cradle]

GT's power system?

[mighty hatch]

i use transformators and laser... lasers ugly, but work good

[plush cradle]

That's what the dev run did as well.

[violet dragon]

Do you run cables thru all your base?

[plush cradle]

Yeah. Usually under the base in a lower layer.

[mighty hatch]

I don't really like lasers. you have to put too many transformers to redirect the cable

[violet dragon]

Interesting

[violet dragon]

Do you mean laserio?

[mighty hatch]

no. gt laser

[violet dragon]

Gt laser?

I dont even know what it is

[plush cradle]

Those blue-ish cables can transfer thousands of amps at any voltage. But only in a straight line from one Active Transformer (white blue box) to another.

[violet dragon]

Is this even in the quest book?

[plush cradle]

I think so?

[violet dragon]

Dunno

[mighty hatch]

on em - yes

[plush cradle]

I learned how to use it by asking around and trying it out. So I didn't really need the quest book.

[barren spade]

Maybe not anything to worry about but periodically something costs 3 seconds to run, and there's a constant complaint from one of the fluid drills (saltwater and void oil and nether lava are all running, unsure which complains)

[violet dragon]

Nah the thing is that i never know this even existed

[gentle osprey]

It's been a suboptimal strategy for some time

[plush cradle]

"Suboptimal" is a matter of perspective IMO.

For example, anything is more optimal than LaserIO for me personally because I hate that mod

[violet dragon]

But laserio thruput is unlimited so i dont think i've missed out on anything

[plush cradle]

Not quite. Capped at MAX_INT, which is a wall you're actually gonna hit in UEV

%t convert 2147483647 RF UEV

[topaz shard]

2147483647 RF/t = 64A UEV

[violet dragon]

I see

Good to know

[plush cradle]

So like if you want to feed 16A UIV to a machine you'll actually be 1EU short, and will probably struggle to put enough inputs into your network to keep up.

PSS only has so many hatch spaces.

There are ways around it, don't mistake me.

[violet dragon]

How about eu p2p?

[plush cradle]

I hope you like building giant cubes of AE2 energy cells.

Because if you don't your AE2 network will black out.

[violet dragon]

Can it handle uev/uiv stuff?

[plush cradle]

Can you store 10% of the power you transfer per tick in your AE2 network?

[violet dragon]

Mmmh

Wait

[plush cradle]

Yep

[violet dragon]

Mmmh you'd need to build like hundreds of these, but at some point i dont think you can handle it if you get the singularity

But there might be some sweetspot where its useful

[violet dragon]

Nice

[plush cradle]

I'll be real, I just find GT's power system more fun and rewarding, and I don't like how LIO looks and is configured, so I just prefer GT's power system.

So I am biased.

But I can explain the system to anyone who needs help.

[violet dragon]

Yea i see that

[barren spade]

how do you feel about how so many superconductors around IV are 96 amp. Makes me so mad, can't use 8x and 64amp substation hatches, have to waste 32 amps of capacity unless I use a 64 and 2 16 amp hatches (and the substation has a hatch limit)

the 128 amp superconductor is LuV

[plush cradle]

I just use Vanadium Gallium from IV to ZPM because there's no reason to really use superconductors at that point.

It's 64A for the 16x

And by ZPM you get the fat ones with like 8A per 1x cable

[gentle osprey]

there is exactly 1 IV superconductor that does this what

[plush cradle]

I'll be real, I didn't even know that. Because superconductors aren't always the best cable to use. Sometimes a non-supercon cable from a higher tier can be cheaper. See Vanadium Gallium.

[barren spade]

there's an EV one as well

and you can skip 'up' to LuV sometimes

[barren spade]

oh something else that is just how it works: laser hatches give free batteries how nice. 2 billion EU. caapcitor at the same tier, 1.5 billion lol

[static gull]

%t gtmi go brr

[topaz shard]

Report issues and/or missing features for GT Modern to the repo so they can be fixed.

[urban stone]

Any idea what this issue is?

It'll randomly do this fairly often

Very frustrating

[plush cradle]

Do what?

[urban stone]

Just stops outputting power

Is it a laserio issue?

[plush cradle]

IDK, maybe it's LaserIO jank. Maybe it's your instance being cursed. Maybe the PSS is having an issue.

Hard to troubleshoot with just one screenshot.

Never had that issue on the dev run with pure GT power FWIW

[urban stone]

It'll spike to this first, then goes back to a flat 100k from the passive drain

Does going over the max output of the dynamo mess with the PSS?

[flat hinge]

wait LIO can transmit EU power?

[silver hornet]

best guess is that its doing the native eu -> rf conversion

[flat hinge]

oh

[urban stone]

Upgraded the dynamo hatch to 64A UHV and now it just spikes to 429m and then back to 100k :/

[silent spear]

Shouldnt microminers retain their internal texture? I changed dimensions and they looked like there is nothing projected anymore. Functionally everything still works. Was a new issue for me with the newest test build. Also when quitting to title and reentering the world the microverse in a projector disappears (unrelated to the texture bug)

Video of the second Issue

[flat hinge]

Oh dear, that's quite odd. I'm doing the proper syncing/persisting of the microverse type as far as I'm aware, and I haven't experienced that bug myself as the dev of the new microverse system...

[dim canyon]

the coal microminer reciper was removed?

[daring osprey]

anyone else having this issue? Cant right click to view the interface on extended pattern providers, normal pattern providers work no issues

[plush cradle]

There never was a pure coal mission to my knowledge.

Do remember to check for both raw coal and raw coal block, some missions give blocks.

[plush cradle]

Have you tried breaking and replacing them, and restarting the pack?

[daring osprey]

break/replace tried, restarting now... very strange

restarting works... no idea what was going on there

[plush cradle]

Honestly, probably not a Moni-side bug

[daring osprey]

couldnt see how it would have been, ive had a lot more issues with ae2 on 1.20 than 1.21

[delicate ice]

so i moved to build 103, and all my gregtech super tanks kinda are now. im currently closing out of the game and will reopen it to see if that fixes it

hey the relog worked!

no idea why that happened but oh well i guess

[flat hinge]

minecraft jank

[plush cradle]

GTm is known to fail to load textures once in a while. Excessive /reload and F3+T also breaks it.

[delicate ice]

huh, the more you know

[radiant obsidian]

Relax, you not even saw Minecraft trees with mk fussion casing instead of leaves

[granite drum]

Drums get consumed when making paper in the crafting grid

[dim canyon]

microverse sensor hatch now only output 0 or 15?

[flat hinge]

?

[flat hinge]

wait it's not working?

the stability sensor hatch should output a signal proportional to microverse integrity percentage

so yes 0 if 0%/unprojected and 15 if full

but it should have values in between for integrity that's low but not zero

[dim canyon]

nvm it is, apparently it glitched when i updated to the latest build, just had to break it and place again

[flat hinge]

oh oki

[flat hinge]

gtm bug, we can't do anything about it

[glacial swift]

is it intended that certus and fluix blocks cannot be cut into their respective plates?

[shy tartan]

Thought kath fixed that months ago, also never had that happen to me in 7.2.0. Oh well I suppose.

[tropic tusk]

TES interacts poorly with (at the very least) proton shaders. ill see if this persists across others

renders fine with them off

idk if this is something you can/are wont to fix, but

happens with bliss and complementary reimagined so i assume its just. something shaders do

[tropic tusk]

also rich presence is missing its damb icon but i really do not know if thats actually a .13 problem or not

[flat hinge]

beh yeah shader packs tend to ignore custom shader code, which is what the black hole effect uses

I can't really do much about it

[tropic tusk]

tragic

weird that its a missing texture, though

[flat hinge]

that's because it is a missing texture lmao

I use the shader code to make it black as a placeholder for a more fancy effect to be implemented later

couldn't figure out gravlensing within minecraft's limitations sadly

[tropic tusk]

ooo thatd be cool

[velvet bolt]

we bending rays in mesh rendering 🔥

[flat hinge]

ig I can add an all-black texture for this purpose

uh it'll take me a minute to figure out I'm shit at blender lmao

but once I do I'll try and make it happen in next dev build

[shy tartan]

Same

I do have a sphere with a spacey texture (black with some white spots) but dang that was annoying to figure out

[tropic tusk]

im not too concerned about it since im still in MV

but yeah just making it black would 'fix' this

[dim canyon]

bro who had the idea to remove the rarest metal mixture MM mission

[molten coral]

Experience-attuned Compound dust has an empty Centrifuge recipe.

[midnight cosmos]

#2153

[ancient coral]

Monifactory Issue Tracker

Issue #2153

Tweak lower tier MM missions

Created

<t:1759027094:D>

Closed

<t:1760413008:R>

Status

Closed

[midnight cosmos]

specifically commit a11ac93d5cd66af702ad891082a1e1b3516fe2b7 by withers

[violet dragon]

in the newest version, is the fact that miners on other planets don't give 3x drops fixed?

[hidden pewter]

The fix for the miner bug is in gtm#4020
Which is not yet merged in.

[fallen pivot]

YoungOnionMC

Ore Maceration Changes

What

Removes the ore stone type transmutation when silk touch grabbing an ore.
Generates maceration and forge hammer recipes for every stone type of each ore, rather than using the intersection ingredient testing.
Fixes #3530

Outcome...

Oct 5, 2025, 7:49 AM

[plush cradle]

It is. 13

[plush cradle]

Why do you need it?

[dim canyon]

Wdym why do I need it, iridium lol

[dim canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-i-will-find-you-taken-gif-1563038559531504978

[plush cradle]

Platline?

[dim canyon]

Real homies avoid platline at all costs

[gentle osprey]

Real homies don't realize that platline is required for progression, and that their mentality is why hard requirements for platline were moved earlier - to ensure the real homies don't procrastinate

[dim canyon]

Real homies don’t judge

And I mean, I do have a platline, but the rarest mixture MM was a life saver

[violet dragon]

Ok thanks

[runic ore]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/advancement-plaques
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/quested-reforged

this is the best i can find

[tropic tusk]

theres a recipe for the ender star, which is explicitly a moni item, but its not used in anything

[last cliff]

hyperdegenerate darconite wire is crafting recipe wrong

[placid sparrow]

should be fixed in latest on the gh

so will be resolved by next build hopefully

[last cliff]

also teh other darconite wires dont have wiremill recipes
idk if thats intentional

[placid sparrow]

darconite or HDD?

HDD isn't supposed to have any wiremill recipes at all

[last cliff]

HDD

then all is good

[placid sparrow]

ah yeah that's intended

[last cliff]

why tho

[placid sparrow]

you make the wires directly in the EBF

[last cliff]

oooh

[placid sparrow]

you can also make fine wire and foil directly too iirc

[regal badger]

where can i find changelogs for new update

[barren spade]

you can look at https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/commits/main/ between the 2 dates of the last 2 patches

[violet dragon]

Ok this is not an issue but it would be nice to know which things are the best in terms of tps, for example:

For Storage:
-drawers with upgrades?
-supertanks/chests?
-barrels with upgrades?
-ae2 storage?

For networks:
-ae2?
-laserio?
-gt pipe madness?

For filtering:
-ae2 subnets with export bus?
-gt fluid filters/item filters?
-drawers with locking mode?

For energy:
-laserio energy cards?
-GT lasers?
-ae2?

It would be nice to know these things so one just uses whats more tps friendly when possible

[plush cradle]

• Energy: GT lasers by far
• Storage: AE2 partitioned cells with potentially overflow destruction I assume (and equal distribution if you have more than one item per cell. Very useful early game.)
• Filtering: Don't use export busses. Interfaces + GT covers (or hatch auto input if applicable) are usually the way to go if you subnet.
• Networks: I think LIO is the worst but I'm not sure so don't quote me on that. I know that AE2 and GT pipes both work great at the scale you use them (large scale for AE2 and smaller scale for GT pipes)

[violet dragon]

But for example when doing oreproc i need to filter many things, how would one optimally do this? Right now i have gt machines, drawers, pipes and filters almost everywhere

Do you just auto output to interface and use storage bus for input?

Like replacing pipes

Not sure if tons of pipe+ filter or tons of interfaces/storage busses are more friendly

[plush cradle]

Dev run does it with an AE2 subnet + one per machine type using storage bus filters, and stocking ME hatches connected to those.

I can show a screenshot later

Currently CChesting

[violet dragon]

Ok

If its actually more tps friendly gunna have to produce lot more aluminium

[storm warren]

Challenging/challenge chest?

[plush cradle]

Creative Chest

[plush cradle]

I mean IDK which one exactly wins TPS but it's easier to expend

[last cliff]

id guess this

[barren spade]

The lazy way is simply to use strings from the attached file, and export buses. (export buses because storage can fill). it can be as simple as just 3 machines like so, each tag export bus has a string in it, that's all there is.

you can also take it further with the strings and get perfect processing, I'm just lazily washing everything in distilled water and thermal centrifuging and macerating x2 it all, with blacklist for platline and indium

but it's a simple matter to add more export buses for those steps and get it perfect

[violet dragon]

Right now i have only single blocks, and each crushed ore i needed has its own line

[barren spade]

Lol this design works well for single block machines also

[violet dragon]

Mmmmmh

I'm not totally sure how to apply it in practice

Wait i'll show later when i can what i mean

[runic ore]

they drop another version for gt modern

# GTCEu:Modern V7.2.1 for 1.20.1

# Changelog
## Additions
- Added config for create compat
- Buff facade recipe
- Buff hand craft polished stone recipes
- Allow spraycan to work with any dye color block
- Refactored recipe addition and removal manager
- Refactored `adjacentFluid` recipe methods and added overloads for fluid tags
- Refactored NO_UNIFICATION flag to DISABLE_MATERIAL_RECIPES
- Machines will now properly explode with the correct config
- Add multiblock bookmarked recipe preview to JEI

## Changes and Fixes
- Central monitor compat for power substation
- Fix ore vein removal not registering in world from kjs
- Fix energy detector not working in percentage mode
- Fix optical and laser connected sides being ignored by hatches
- Fix kjs material decomposition recipes not generating
- Fix recipe modifiers not being applied after unsuspending
- Fix recipe search for ranged fluids
- Fix crates voiding storage after they are placed when stacked
- Fix rotor holders crashing when interacting with an active turbine
- Changed voltage reading to show the machine tier rather than recipe tier
- Fix representative recipes not generating

multiblock bookmark is insane 🔥🔥🔥

[violet dragon]

here is what i mean but nvm this is not causing too much lag as i may have expected

but ae2 is lagless so maybe its better idk, but i wonder ae2 cant be completely lagless i wonder where the calculations take place? maybe in the controller? nop nvm

now, this is bad

numis and laserio energy stuff is really heavy

i'm not even sure how to fix it except changing power source and rely fully on jean gasoline

this can't be... export bus is completely lagless? i'm confused

is ae2 like actually lagless or where does it make the calculations? even its cables is lagless...

there has to be somewhere where the calculations take place right? maybe behind the scenes and i can't see it with the overlay but its still causing minimal lag? could this be?

[runic ore]

this is why i prefer to use storage bus over it

btw, what mod is that?

[violet dragon]

observable

[runic ore]

that's the name of the mod?

[violet dragon]

what i mean is export bus is lagless, and even storage bus

[violet dragon]

yes

[runic ore]

storage bus makes sense

[violet dragon]

look here

this is an export bus

working

its not even green

its counted as a neutral block

not as an entity

if ae2 is actually lagless i think i'll have to make a new base

but idk if thats the case or maybe it makes calculations somewhere else

it most likely does the calculations somewhere else as i've heard people saying crafting cards cause lag and those interfaces are all with crafting cards

and yet its showing as a non entity

[daring osprey]

i know you guys mentioned it as a bug in the new update that microverses are cleared on reset, unsure if its the same bug happening in 0.18.0 of moni labs as well, but my microverse is randomly disappearing. its not every reset but it seems every few days i go back here and its dead. only running up to t3 so no decay, havent touched the multi

[silent spear]

I was the one reporting this and I just went back to Build 102 where it works fine. Many of the fixes in the most recent build are not yet relevant for me

[violet dragon]

is this intended? cables should convert eu to rf automatically, but converter to converter back to back does not work, idk if its intended or not to make transformators useful maybe

[plush cradle]

Yeah that's the bug.

Fixed in tomorrow's build.

[plush cradle]

I don't know if this is intended or not but why are you not using transformers at rhis point? It's just simpler.

Oh wait

Converter cannot accept power from EU cables and treat it as FE. That would be stupid lol.

[tropic tusk]

returning items to inventories from a crafting station doesnt seem to respect barrel stack upgrades anymore

if a stack in the barrel is above 64 items, the crafting station will return any of that item to the inventory as if theres no room in the barrel for it

i dont remember this being an issue in 12.9

[violet dragon]

Transformer? You're telling me i have to do another pattern just for the transformer?

[tropic tusk]

no no

energy converters only go in one direction

RF -> EU

[static gull]

no, they can also do EU->RF but that's a waste since native EU->RF conversion exists

[gentle osprey]

Have you considered reporting this issue to the mod author?

[tropic tusk]

like, directly? no

i can open an issue if thatd be better

[plush cradle]

Or, alternatively, replace your converter patterns with transformer patterns. You can even remove your LIO card patterns after that

(I'm joking DW.)

[gentle osprey]

Please do. If people reported issues directly to the source we'd have half as many to deal with - the issue is that it's not often clear what the cause is.

In this case it's definitely the Crafting Station Improved mod - we switched to it with 0.13 since the previous Crafting Station mod wouldn't let you use EMI's autocrafting.

[tropic tusk]

[shy tartan]

you we wont have it

notice it says jei, and not xei

which means, it only works with jei

not with emi, not with jemi, only jei

(the gtm team will say xei if it applies to all, And I also saw the convo of the person who did it)

as sad as it is

but yeah.....

[runic ore]

😔

[plush cradle]

😭

[barren spade]

lag wise : are you on a public server with multiple teams?

a zpm base, lots of machines, am using export buses, about 20, in places where it's convenient. 20 ms for the void part, 6 for the overworld (just old idle equipment). So it's at 40% of the maximum load before the tick rate slips below 20. lag is mostly not a factor if you have a dedicated server and your team is the only one on it

it's on a $10 a month server (contabo is the host, location LA) but the free oracle ones are probably also fine

[tough cave]

this quest description is wrong?

[flat hinge]

thank

[silver hornet]

noted

[shy tartan]

"Base" tier soph storage barrels aren't craftable. The only thing that uses these is the storage controller.

It's not a moni fault as Ik other packs with this same issue. Just thought I'd letcha know

[molten coral]

What version? I see crafting recipes for them on the latest 0.13 build.

Oh, interesting. The mismatch is when you click on the barrel in the Storage Controller recipe.

[shy tartan]

yeah

[gentle osprey]

It's probably an NBT thing that's an issue with Sophisticated Storage.

[shy tartan]

It's a tag

could very well just superimpose a new recipe with the proper tag

the tag is for a set of barrels which did exist on older versions

(the proper tag would be the same one used to upgrade the normal upgraded barrel to bronze)

I suppose PRs are free

[gentle osprey]

In this economy PRs are quite expensive, actually. It's why we have issues from over a year ago

[violet dragon]

Its not actually lagging so much thats unbearable, i am not singleplayer, i jist want to prevent lag

[eternal beacon]

missing lcr recipe already added?

manganese + acetic acid ->?

co + dimetylamine ->?

[plush cradle]

Investigating.

Any others you know of?

Conflicts as well.

[eternal beacon]

so far only those 2

[storm warren]

Ahh yes ? Fluid

[plush cradle]

Found the culprit.

Output is a removed chemical

Same with the other

Will be removed in the next build, thanks ^^

[tropic tusk]

i hope you mean renamed

oh wait you mean the manganesse acetate

[plush cradle]

Yeah the output doesn't exist anymore.

[unkempt stone]

This has probably been asked, but at what approximate tier does the .13 changes take place? I just started the pack and I am curious if I can keep on my new run or will the .13 be save ending?

[flat hinge]

starts at microverses really

and eup2p which is being turbonerfed in nm/yeeted in hm/em

[plush cradle]

0.13 will be:

• inconsequential up to HV aside from EUP2P removal/turbonerf (a couple recipes might break but that's it)
• Noticeable at EV and IV (NCN, platline, microverses)
• Damaging to your base at LuV+
• Save-ending at UV+

[unkempt stone]

Thank you 🙏
Ill take a while to even get to EV, let alone dive into platline or microverses

[plush cradle]

We also have test builds if you want to update now and minimize the effort needed to update. You don't have to tho.

[unkempt stone]

Tempting, i am just worried about bugs in the test builds

[plush cradle]

Bugs pre-UV are basically all eradicated (or at least there's not more than in latest Curseforge release). Only thing is that the quest book is not 100% up to date with new mechanics yet.

[unkempt stone]

I am a Gregtech noob, have done the ATM packs countless times tho

[plush cradle]

Base GT stuff is no worse than 0.12.9

Only things that aren't up to date are new mechanics.

[unkempt stone]

Bet, which build would you recommend and how do I play it? I am using the Prism launcher

[plush cradle]

#moni-meowdays message

Download the client.zip at that link, and import it into Prism.

Then, transfer the "saves" and "journeymap" folders into your new instance if you keep your save and that should be it.

[unkempt stone]

Thank you

im sorry, I cant figure out how to download the client.zip

I haven't really used github before 😅

[daring osprey]

you need to login to have access to the download

[unkempt stone]

Oh that would do it

Yep, just needed to sign in lmao

[plush cradle]

Yep

[unkempt stone]

The genesis chapter in the questbook is gone

[plush cradle]

Run a pack mode switch once

In the new menu

[velvet bolt]

nahhh did it really bork 😭

[plush cradle]

Main menu, click the "normal mode" at the bottom

[flat hinge]

this is why we test shit

[unkempt stone]

lol, button doesn't aline when fullscreened on my ultrawide

[plush cradle]

Eh

[flat hinge]

@plush cradle maybe revert iluha's thing for now and do another build with the old system

[plush cradle]

The info button has it too

[plush cradle]

No idea how to do this from mobile website

[flat hinge]

things seem to be back to normal after running pack mode switcher yeah

[flat hinge]

[flat hinge]

honestly you may have to do it on pc

dont see it on desktop website either

(looking at my own repositories obv)

[plush cradle]

I'll do it tomorrow

It's easy

But I'm exhausted

[unkempt stone]

Now my chests are invisible and I cant see my hand, or what is in my drawers

[plush cradle]

I wrote a 12k-character Moni Monday today LMAO.

[plush cradle]

Restart game, that tends to fix that kind of stuff.

Minecraft rendering runs on hopes and dreams sometimes.

[unkempt stone]

tru

success

yummy, looks deliciously painful

[storm warren]

It is

[shut spoke]

Simulation Supercomputers and Loot Supeerfabricators do not accept an output bus on the new build

[tropic tusk]

the TES just corrupted(?) my creative world

nothing of particular value was lost, but

thats not great

trying to recreate rn

[craggy jasper]

TES?

[tropic tusk]

transdimensional energy singularity

the replacement for the creative gt eu emitter

[craggy jasper]

ah

[plush cradle]

Log?

[tropic tusk]

thats the first one

exact chain of events was:

i try to build a TES in creative with a terminal
this doesnt work, because multiple blocks were in the way.
after giving up trying to fix it, i use a quark cloud in a bottle to suspend the TES controller in midair
i succeed in building it with a terminal, but it says it requires maintenance
checking the back of it, it was built with a configurable maintenance hatch. i replace it with an auto maintenance hatch
my game crashes, sending me to the multiplayer server menu (this was a singeplayer world)
the world is gone when i check

i used a cloud in a bottle the second time too

im going to try placing it on top of a block to see if that changes anythign

because this is either catastrophically bad or a bizarre (but still really bad) conflict

...its crashing when i alt tab

[plush cradle]

Okay

[shy tartan]

I've used the class it uses quite a ton with zero issues, might be the render?

[plush cradle]

Lemme just-

[tropic tusk]

thats the thing, i never turned it on

it seems to be some combination of me tabbing out of the game, replacing the maintenance hatch, or both

this is the latest one

[shy tartan]

You are right, its some kind of issue with the saved data.

[flat hinge]

i need to sleep a bit longer but then I'll try and make a hotfix

[tropic tusk]

this is NOT as of the latest .13 build, i think this is 103?

the one before the new creative chest recipe

however, given the scope of that build, i wouldnt be too surprised if this wasnt fixed

[violet dragon]

my whole ae2 system broke after update

[plush cradle]

Run pack mode switcher

#moni-meowdays message

Known issue with the build script

Pack starts in a limbo state with none of the modes.

[violet dragon]

i read that but i did not understand what that meant so i ignored it

[plush cradle]

That's easy to fix by using the pack mode selection screen and switching it to normal again.

[violet dragon]

so i just change modes?

[plush cradle]

Well yes, except that you set it to normal.

It's not changing

[violet dragon]

i see

[plush cradle]

It's just getting the pack out of a limbo state.

[violet dragon]

ok thanks

[plush cradle]

Click

"Playing normal mode"

on main menu

Or go in "info > change mode"

Leads to the mode selection screen

[violet dragon]

ye

[plush cradle]

Hotfix today with a fix to both that issue (pack will properly be exported in normal mode) and the above crash (if Note is available)

[flat hinge]

can you try this jar? it does the null check at that line

(this is not an officially released jar)

[tropic tusk]

just replace the monilabs mod in my instance with this?

[flat hinge]

yeah

hopefully it fixes the crash

[tropic tusk]

letsa see

discord's telling me not to trust the file. you arent hacking into my mainframe are you

[flat hinge]

discord does that for all jars

the literal only difference is the addition of the null check

[tropic tusk]

aye

[flat hinge]

i'm honestly not sure how a null got in that map in the first place?

but eh

[flat hinge]

is good?

[tropic tusk]

well its taking a while longer to load in all the mods than what it usually takes

[flat hinge]

[tropic tusk]

i dont know if its actually stuck stuck but its been doing this for a bit

[flat hinge]

okay yeah its prob stuck

try again

[tropic tusk]

task manager kill this man

[shy tartan]

https://tenor.com/sh3gn8aMEnU.gif

[tropic tusk]

ive never seen it get stuck like that before tbh...

redoing it worked though

[flat hinge]

oh uh if you're doing the newest build its probably in a limbo state, do pack mode switch in the main menu (click the text saying what mode it is) to de-limbo it

[tropic tusk]

i am not, im still on build 103 i believe

[flat hinge]

oki

hopefully your thing is fix

[tropic tusk]

well the worlds are all selectable again

so thats a good sign

[flat hinge]

if so we'll be doing a hotfix with this in a sec

[tropic tusk]

even if theyre still corrupted that might be just residual, ill start a new one just in case

[shy tartan]

I didnt have this issue cause i just grabbed the new stuff from dev instance

[tropic tusk]

living on the bleeding edge

oh thats freaky. i didnt know animated emoji stopped animating when you were tabbed out so the cat wasnt nodding it was just staring at me

[shy tartan]

I doubt many would do what i did and cloned the moni repo

[shy tartan]

Mostly cause why would they need to if they were just playing

[flat hinge]

please ping me to report back as soon as you can

[tropic tusk]

everything seems to be in order!

[flat hinge]

alright i'll make a quick release of monilabs then

[tropic tusk]

i dont even remember what i was trying to test

oh right my salt issue

[shy tartan]

Its fun here, odd limbo between player and semi moni dev

[tropic tusk]

thats not a build issue i just wanted to confirm the power transmission actually does work

which it does

[flat hinge]

you'll be once you get your tooltip pr in phoenix dw

[tropic tusk]

youre eating them???

[flat hinge]

nah that's just the icon for moni contributors lmao

[tropic tusk]

hehe

[flat hinge]

anyway release action going now

[velvet bolt]

@plush cradle should probably rerun the build with the fix and edit message or smth idk

[plush cradle]

I'll do after

Already late

[tropic tusk]

hey what

[shy tartan]

by that point you have, the ORB

so you dont need research

[tropic tusk]

OH ok

[plush cradle]

Causality Exempt.

[hidden pewter]

It's Causally Exempt

[plush cradle]

Cool gimmick

[hidden pewter]

I love Causality exemptions

[plush cradle]

Nice use of our creative research stuff

But damn

Adding this in was a bit of a %t bold moment on our part

[hidden pewter]

Everyone sees the EMI page and asks "what gives"

... You know what would be really funny

If you could like
Add a tooltip to the research recipe output, saying like
"This research is correct"

[midnight cosmos]

"it seems you must find an alternative way to acquire this knowledge"

[plush cradle]

Or a tooltip in the item if we can't get that done.

[hidden pewter]

That would be simpler, yeah, but maybe a little less obvious

[shy tartan]

"Duck, made ya look. Go look somewhere else for this knoweldge you seek"

[tropic tusk]

(journeyman nuclear scientist villager)

[plush cradle]

Almost impossible to fix, the item is just gone.

[tropic tusk]

i was going to say "cant you just remove the trade" but im used to a way more modular dev environment

[plush cradle]

Not sure. We don't touch villagers like at all.

[tropic tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

put it on the recipe issue thread anyway. its not too important

[shy tartan]

with some loot.js messery you can

villager trades are all just loot tables

technically even a simple datapack can

[midnight cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-endgame-gone-reduced-to-atoms-gif-26539274

[tropic tusk]

also wow yeah you can just get neutronium without... hell, even without making a crafting table

[shy tartan]

how?

[delicate ice]

lots of sticks i presume

[tropic tusk]

lots of sticks and zinc from lost city chests

[shy tartan]

What's his job block? (I hope it's smth not so important so recipe can easily be removed)

[tropic tusk]

its the nuclearcraft analyzer

which you cant make at all, and isnt guaranteed to spawn in every village

[plush cradle]

Good luck making an amount you can use for anything more than tools.

[tropic tusk]

mhm

[shy tartan]

So it's a randomly generated block that doesnt have a recipe, interesting

wonder if I could datapack it out (is it even a big deal?)

[tropic tusk]

i think i remember seeing a convo here about it that was basically the same conclusion

you cant get enough of it to do anything important that early, and even if you could all the recipes are locked behind infrastructure that you cant skip

[midnight cosmos]

also, i think ncn flips out if we try to remove it but i could be wrong

[tropic tusk]

like aside from typical generic material manipulation the only things neutronium ingots are used in are... Nt boules, prismatic cores, and specifically the infinity hammer

[midnight cosmos]

those are pretty damn important

[tropic tusk]

and are also locked behind IV power, activated netherite, and infinity ingots respectively

[shy tartan]

neutronium tools before lv?

uh huh thats insane

huge qol

not really game breaking thou

[midnight cosmos]

nt boules are gated way further than iv power

[tropic tusk]

uhh

[midnight cosmos]

what coils do they need?

[shy tartan]

naq

luv

[tropic tusk]

ah, naq-- yeah

...thats not actually that much of a stretch LOL

[midnight cosmos]

also, they're useless without a cutter

[shy tartan]

naq boules are ev in base gt

[tropic tusk]

neutronium is the furthest gate

so. yeah you could get those early but yeah theyd only be useful with an IV cutter

[shy tartan]

By the time you reach luv, nt boules arent strictly nessecary, cool? yes

[tropic tusk]

you cant sequence break with ULV neutronium, at any rate

other than like. vanilla tool progression?? lol

you start the pack with diamond hammers it literally doesnt matter

[silver hornet]

the quest makes it quite clear that teh research is unique
(it also has dependency on ORB so i can't imagine anyone getting truly 'stuck' on this)

[shy tartan]

Apart from the people who don't follow quests cause they think they know enough

not really your fault/able to be changed

but a good amount of them do exist

[midnight cosmos]

obligatory %t bold

[eternal beacon]

is there any issue with rounding up extractor?

stuck on ae2

[plush cradle]

Literally tells you the issue in your screenshot. Fluid storage is full.

[static gull]

average IITPP issue be like

[eternal beacon]

dats the issue after i adding 0.1 in the recipe, if not it will stuck like this

[plush cradle]

Happens once in a blue moon. Usually tho it's because you fucked up.

[eternal beacon]

nah it always happen

[plush cradle]

We had that happen for a while with one specific LCR recipe

Check the machine where it happens.

Possibly break and replace the provider

[eternal beacon]

already break n replace the provider, yeah its fixed but its broke again

[plush cradle]

Just cancel the craft when that happens.

Remove the pattern, destroy the item, re-encode it, put it back.

Basically try every variant of turning it off and on again.

If anything fixes it, then it was a weird thing.

If it keeps happening, then it's one of those evasive bugs that are hell to track down

[eternal beacon]

most likely, after replace it, its works on small request but broke on bigger one

[vast pollen]

Something went wrong.. build 103

[plush cradle]

...investigating.

[violet dragon]

Whats the problem? Maybr lcr recipie is more expensive because theres perfect oc

[shy tartan]

the recipe won't run is the thing

it still has all 3 inputs

the recipe expects them

the normal cr simply doesnt have the space for them

[violet dragon]

Oooo

I see

[plush cradle]

Fixed in dev, will be part of next build.

[shy tartan]

nice

[thick pine]

I am having difficulties loading up build 105 in prism launcher, it says archive does not contain a recognized modpack type.

[plush cradle]

Oh yeah

The zip inside the zip

Is what you want

Sorry

[velvet bolt]

it was always a zip inside a zip

and it is still a zip inside a zip

[plush cradle]

Yeah but it's less obvious since the client and server are split now.

[thick pine]

I can't find any zip inside the zip

I only see the overrides folder, the manifest, modlist, and license

[velvet bolt]

yeah that must be the insides of the zip inside the zip

[plush cradle]

You want the zip called "client.zip"

[thick pine]

I can't find that, but I compressed those 4 files myself and it seems to work now.

Actually, turns out my computer was being wonky and autimatically opening up both zips

[plush cradle]

Fixed and tested

[velvet bolt]

the gem texture needs a rework so bad

[velvet bolt]

@gentle osprey it's the only one left not jappa-ised in this recipe

right?

[gentle osprey]

Looks JAPPA to me.
Rather, it's the only one that hasn't been redone by the artists.

[velvet bolt]

yeah the second thing probably

idk im not artist i can just tell there's something different about it

[idle barn]

Anyone else try connecting a ZPM Converter to a NCN reactor port? I am burning Thorium in mine and I am pulling 16A of ZPM from it.

I have a suspicion I might be able to pull more if I had a UV converter on it. Or maybe even a second ZPM on another side of the port.

[daring osprey]

NCN is bugged as fuck

sometimes it outputs infinite power, sometimes it doesnt work, sometimes it generates infinite depleted fuel

[plush cradle]

Yeah no shit

[daring osprey]

to be clear i was directing that to the question, not blaming you guys for a third party mod

[idle barn]

Ah ok, so known issue. I'll see how it acts if I hook cables directly to it, last I tried that it would only output EV so I tried converters. I hate to void the power but maybe at this point it's just not worth messing with.

[daring osprey]

the intended power is like 3a EV or something

for thorium

when it breaks just break and replace the controller

cross your fingers

[idle barn]

ok I'll try that first.

[tropic tusk]

the SDA no longer exists

[shy tartan]

technically

the structure is still used by my omnic synth

but yeah

[flat hinge]

@silver hornet

[shy tartan]

should be updated

good catch

[barren spade]

on a related topic, in expert mode, there's no way to get EU from a nuclearcraft reactor correct

I swear I read about NCN changes to allow direct EU output

[plush cradle]

Yeah you can

reactors output EU directly

Well

When they work at all.

[barren spade]

so it's not in the gui but if I stuck a cable to an empty bat buffer on a reactor port I might get eus?

at what voltage?

[daring osprey]

one of the great mysteries of the world

you might get ev

you might get 16A MAX

[tropic tusk]

i assume it does the conversion internally

so whatever the rf output is /4

[shy tartan]

it's supposed to yes

but buggy

[tropic tusk]

is there not a max diode?

[silver hornet]

what would you use a max diode for?

[tropic tusk]

thats fair

[shy tartan]

maximum amounts of insanity

[tropic tusk]

hang on so

never mind i was doing the math wrong

[runic ore]

why this chemical is not included to mote of omnium crafting?

[velvet bolt]

its up to deletion soon™

@plush cradle this true?

[craggy jasper]

already uncraftable and has no uses in build 104

[velvet bolt]

oh yyupp

[plush cradle]

I don't even think it exists anymore.

And neither does the mote of Omnium

[shy tartan]

all the evap products have been yeeted since gtm 7.1.0 iirc

including the multi ofc

a bit sad, but oh well

[shy tartan]

the use cases that is, the chemicals still exist just with no way to get/use

[runic ore]

icic

[spiral laurel]

In normal mode, does the lathe take an aluminium ingot and convert it into a single rod and some dust? This is not the case in Expert mode and I vaguely remember this being a mechanic somewhere but I may be misremembering

[tropic tusk]

def not

itll do that with glass plates to make lenses? but

[spiral laurel]

idk what i was thinking of then, i must be hallunicating

[tropic tusk]

i dont think thats a likely confusion

yeah

[spiral laurel]

  # Change the recipe of Rods in the Lathe to 1 Rod and 2 Small Piles of Dust, instead of 2 Rods.
  # Default: false
  harderRods: false```
None of the modes have this enabled

[daring osprey]

thats just the gtnh recipe, or the glass lens

[shy tartan]

base gt has that on by default now

glad moni didn't decide to keep it

[dim canyon]

thats evil

[plush cradle]

[shy tartan]

There are a few default config changes i dont agree with on 7.1.0+

But what can you do

It is still a config after all, so its not that bad

I thought we were trying to make extruders less of a one stop shop

But harder rods on by default makes it even more so

[tropic tusk]

i think the balance between extruders and specialized machines is fine rn

[shy tartan]

With lathe doing rods like normal yes

[tropic tusk]

mhm

[shy tartan]

But the 7.1.0 change of harder rods on by default takes a integral lv machine and makes its main use case null and void

[tropic tusk]

making it dust is-- yeah

[shy tartan]

Want cheaper rods? Wait till mv

Rude

[tropic tusk]

wait no

its still MATERIALLY the same, no?

just kind of gross to use

or does it give tiny dust and not small dust

[shy tartan]

Yes, but you gotta go through extra steps, and for ebf materials you just know people arent gonna use it

[tropic tusk]

mhm

[shy tartan]

The lathe has 3 uses, all of which feel good where they are

Extruder has what, like 10?

(Actual good uses, aint no onr using it for plates over the fluid solidifer)

[plush cradle]

Actually no. Same material cost per rod but you need to recycle the dust.

This config makes sense in a pack where LV is a tier of decent duration, but not in a pack like Moni where LV is a speedrun to MV.

[shy tartan]

The config existing makes sense, it just being true by default now doesnt

[plush cradle]

And considering that the latter is more common than the former I feel like the default should be the opposite?

[shy tartan]

Anyways, still makes the extruder even less specialized and the lathe lose its main use. I dont know many new players who use the lathe for cheaper screws

[plush cradle]

WDYM it's half screw cost and so fucking fast. Who wouldn't?

[daring osprey]

Yeah that was one of the first things I noticed as a new player

[shy tartan]

When is it ever explained in a pack qb, and most dont looo through emi

The curse of not reading

[daring osprey]

Nobody can save a user from being unwilling to look in emi

[plush cradle]

True

[shy tartan]

Thats true

[daring osprey]

You can put flashing text on the screen saying to do it

[plush cradle]

There's literally 2 tabs for screws, with one recipe in each

[daring osprey]

And they will still just go ask discord

[plush cradle]

It's hard to miss.

It's not like some of those ingredients that have 5 pages.

[tropic tusk]

you could give the lathe a program circuit slot and let it do bolts and screws from ingots

[hidden pewter]

Lathe does Rods from Ingots (config efficiency)
Saw does Bolts from Rods
Lathe does Screws from Bolts
Extruder can do Rods or Bolts from Ingots, but cannot do Screws

I suppose you could add a programmed circuit slot and expand the recipe map for swapping rod/bolt/screw, but that's not something Modern would do by itself.

[shy tartan]

Yeah but extruder also does a lot of other things

While the others are more specialized

[hidden pewter]

I'd go along with this logic here.

File -> Lathe is an efficiency upgrade that comes from inventing Steam
Lathe -> Extruder is an efficiency upgrade that comes from inventing MV

But since Moni skips Steam and fast-tracks LV, the second efficiency upgrade comes quickly enough that the intermediate step isn't around long enough to be significant

The Lathe being ingot -> 2 rod vs -> [1 rod 2 small dust] is something that's gone back and forth since the first launch of GT5. Some versions did 2 rods, some versions did 1 rod dust.

[flat hinge]

Lilith there might be a wacky recipe display bug with ranged fluid inputs/outputs

[hidden pewter]

Ranged Specifically? Or Per-Tick?

[flat hinge]

Withers is seeing ranged look fine in single player but as max non-ranged in multiplayer

Ranged specifically yes

I can't investigate rn bc no computer

[hidden pewter]

dev run?

[flat hinge]

Ye

[hidden pewter]

gdi did the serializer break somehow

[flat hinge]

probably

[hidden pewter]

... hell... how do i test for this in dev...

[flat hinge]

runServer

and runclient at the same time

use lan

That's how I do it at least

[hidden pewter]

Well yes but I needed an enviroment to do that in

server, client, kjs, debug attach,

[flat hinge]

Godspeed

[plush cradle]

Fair. Config makes sense then. Only downside is that the extruder becomes even more of a do-everything machine.

[hidden pewter]

okay, confirmed it loads correctly in single player...

...

[hidden pewter]

Reproduce failed, still shows up correctly on my side

[flat hinge]

[silver hornet]

also happens to me fwiw

[hidden pewter]

inputs and outputs vary by 0.5x-2x

[flat hinge]

Yeah ignore that

That's me being dingus

[hidden pewter]

old loc from the old way of doing it before you switched to the normal ranged ingredient

[flat hinge]

This is single-player

[hidden pewter]

Okay that ain't right

What's going on here

[flat hinge]

@hidden pewter

I'm gonna trick or treat with small children for a bit ill be back later

[hidden pewter]

Okay, Yeah, it does do that on the moni dev server
... It's like EMI isn't getting handed the ranged part of the ranged fluid ingredient wtf

so in multiplayer
EMI gets handed a fluidingredient

but in singleplayer
EMI gets handed an intproviderfluidingredient

[plush cradle]

@old beacon @velvet bolt you sure your script updates the mods properly?

Serverside

[hidden pewter]

I can see the issue present on your server, but I can't reproduce it in a local dev instance server

[plush cradle]

Try lauching latest build both as server and client instead of in dev?

[hidden pewter]

?

[plush cradle]

Download build in #moni-meowdays and run both client and server

[old beacon]

pretty sure?

rm -r config/ defaultconfigs/ config-overrides/ kubejs/ mods/
rm -r ./Monifactory/dist/*
echo "Building server..."
node ./Monifactory/build/index.ts build-server || exit 1
echo "Copying files"
cp -r ./Monifactory/dist/server/* .
echo "Moni server updated to main branch!"
java -jar mods/monilabs-*.jar h

i wipe everything then grab it from a new build

[plush cradle]

Interesting

[old beacon]

I can spin up a server using the gh server files from the most recent action run

[tough cave]

more of a suggestion rather than an issue, but would we be able to add a fluix plate cutter recipe

making a lot of plates is really slow in the early game

same with certus quartz

nether quartz has a block -> 4 plates recipe already

[old beacon]

I have a server running the build from https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/actions/runs/18892280330

@hidden pewter i have server for you if you would like to test with that.

[hidden pewter]

What I need is a local server so I can make modified versions of the GTM .jar file and test against them

So I've spent the last 20 minutes setting that up

[old beacon]

ah

[hidden pewter]

...... and it, once again, worked correctly.

[old beacon]

so is the issue a server issue?

[hidden pewter]

This is the build I downloaded and ran

I have a localhost server running

I have a client running the pack with an attached debugger

Client logged into server

... recipe displays correctly

One of us is missing something and I don't know what

[old beacon]

but when you join dev run server it doesnt work?

when does it not work?

[hidden pewter]

Logging in to your newly hosted server it displays correct

[hidden pewter]

I saw it wrong on the dev run server but I can't connect to that server now

times out

[old beacon]

so it works on the ip i just sent in the dev run channel and not the one for the actual run?

[hidden pewter]

i can't see the dev run channel but you gave me the pelican console a few months ago so I got the IP from there

[old beacon]

ah

[hidden pewter]

Dev Run server is refusing connect rn tho

[flat hinge]

@deft snow

[old beacon]

oh wait you arent a contributer so cant see the channel

[hidden pewter]

lol

[old beacon]

alright

dev run server has been up for 2 days, so its using whatever git was at 2 days ago

[hidden pewter]

In any

• Localhosted server shows up normal
• Freshly hosted server shows up normal
• Dev Run Server shows wrong (or at least it showed up wrong an hour ago, I can't see it now)

I think there's something wrong with the Dev Run server

[old beacon]

which is both different from current git main, and different from that action run

was that recipe updated recently?

whats the file in question?

[hidden pewter]

..... What action run is the dev run server built against?

[old beacon]

none

builds it iteself every restart

[midnight cosmos]

should this be moved to #moni-dev?

[hidden pewter]

I think the dev run server needs a restart

[old beacon]

so it matches dev instances synced with git

[old beacon]

sure

[hidden pewter]

not like, save wipe, but
reload

[old beacon]

that might fix it

yeah

just hitting the restart button should have it rebuild

and the world is unaffected

[hidden pewter]

i have Hit the button

[old beacon]

👍

[hidden pewter]

btw @flat hinge building the packmodeswitcher console command into a -jar run of MoniLabs is beautiful xD

[flat hinge]

Mostly apop's work but I did a fair bit of tinkering

[old beacon]

oh also the new server i made is on NM, dev run is on HM. make sure your client matches

[hidden pewter]

..... Well the new server still let me connect and my client's on HM

[flat hinge]

[old beacon]

alright then

[hidden pewter]

Lmfao

[old beacon]

well its up, try connecting

[flat hinge]

yeah i just uh tell the gradle to make the manifest point to a class that does the pack mode switching

as the main class

[old beacon]

Nega this is non issue. i goofed port forwarding so lilith was actually connecting to the dev run which is on HM

[hidden pewter]

... I feel like I've been chasing a ghost for the last hour and a half lmao

Dev Run Server reads recipe normal
Localhost reads recipe normal

... Either my client is on glue, or something was borked with the last Dev Run Server build and giving the server a kick un-borked it

[old beacon]

i think dev run server just had outdated kjs configs

[hidden pewter]

@plush cradle you were the last person to see the bug before me, need you to reconfirm it (or confirm that it's gone now)

[silver hornet]

i also saw it

i'll try to see if its still there now

should i try normal or hard server?

[old beacon]

HM

normal dev run server

[flat hinge]

I'm sorry

[silver hornet]

still broken

[old beacon]

is your client updated?

[hidden pewter]

how.

[silver hornet]

it should be on latest

yeah im on latest

[old beacon]

lilith you are on the most recent GH action right? not latest git?

[hidden pewter]

https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/actions/runs/18892280330

[old beacon]

alright so that is a difference between you two

[silver hornet]

wait how is lilith on the dev run with outdated client

[old beacon]

ill join dev run from both latest git and the action build

ill see if i have the issue

[old beacon]

if it doesnt cause an error it works fine

same way server was 2 days out of date till now and you were playing it

what recipe is that so i can check?

[silver hornet]

any of the recipes for refined _ antimatter

[hidden pewter]

I restarted my client and it's wrong again

Oh god

[old beacon]

wut

[hidden pewter]

oh this is devious

• Launch Client -> Load Multiplayer -> recipe displays wrong
• Load Singleplayer -> recipe displays right
• Load Multiplayer after loading singleplayer -> recipe still displays right

So if the first time the client sees the recipe is in multiplayer it displays wrong
But if it sees it in singleplayer once it displays right
And it then remembers that correct display if you join multiplayer again

That's so, so wrong but in the sneakiest way

And it means I can reproduce it locally