General "Is this Intended?" Thread

[inner hinge]

Oh, interesting! Thanks for the info.
I browsed a bit from there, and haha: https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/pull/2030#issuecomment-3235808186

It's a bit annoying it's still there after more than a year. I guess it's "only" a nice display feature that they could make possible to switch off on some modpacks.

[hazy hornet]

Terbium solution processing line doesn't seem to be a loop even though it looks like its intended to be

Has a net production of chlorine and a net negative of calcium

[supple dew]

This recipe gives 1 chaff, not 2, with LV and MV. I think it's because the second plant-ball is considered a byproduct. Is this intended? It doesn't really feel right. Compressing the balls is already a major pain at lower tiers. It feels like it should be rewarded if you do it this early. Especially since it doesn't change progression, and there are 2 balls.

[vernal pulsar]

this is a gtm issue

%t gtmi

[zenith condor]

Report issues and/or missing features for GT Modern to the repo so they can be fixed.

[pale veldt]

if it wasn't intended, why not return two in the first output in the first place?

[tribal scroll]

if it wasn't a byproduct, it would have been 2 in the same slot
probably intended, but who knows, maybe not

[amber cypress]

i'm pretty sure that's intended yeah

[half flicker]

is this intended?

[twilit oracle]

base gt recipe

so yes

[half flicker]

no reason to do it in assembler

[twilit oracle]

you'll also see that in gratings

[half flicker]

which is the base

assembler

[twilit oracle]

both

both recipes are base gt

[half flicker]

why

[twilit oracle]

no idea why they did that

it just is lol

[half flicker]

im gonna go complain

[tribal scroll]

wait until you hear about every pre ass line motor, robot arm, piston..

[twilit oracle]

at least those have reasonable times and voltages

10 seconds at iv is wild

[tribal scroll]

probably because these recipes were created long before the crafter existed, and even then, a crafter is harder to automate

think about standalone gt

[shrewd hedge]

Multiblock assemblers in the late game. They craft 512 frames at once, and at UV it's usually in 2 ticks

Back in nomi I re-coded all my recipes to use the assembler. It was faster than auto bench crafting in molecular assemblers

[twilit oracle]

Matrix

We got matrix

[shrewd hedge]

Idk how fast that is. The lazyAE crafting multiblock in nomi was slower than 256 parallel assembler

[twilit oracle]

Assembler matrix is insanr

[tardy kelp]

hundreds of recipes at the same time all running at 5x accel card speed

[tardy kelp]

I am going to assume there's a config that disables the regular crafting recipe

[pale veldt]

you can theoretically play base GT with no AE at all

the assembler is easier to scale if just by giving it a bigass input hatch and placing a trillion ingredients in it

I believe all components that you need at scale have assembler recipes?

[inner hinge]

There is no reward for reaching IV circuits (or any of the following ones). From LV to EV included, you had a reward of +5 XP levels.
I mean, I get that it's not that useful of a reward, but why drop it midgame?

[inner sierra]

May I have the possibility to copy that excel sheet

Nvm found it

[supple dew]

Is it intended that a Numismatic boiler produces energy at a much lower rate?

The Numismatic dynamo gives 2500 RF/t
The Numismatic boiler gives enough steam at 140mB/t

While the basic charcoal burner boiler also produces steam at 140/t
But the steam dynamo gives 40RF/t

It just seems weird that the rate doesn't scale up.

[copper trench]

Sorry if this has been gone over, but EMI Crafting Tree recipe mode is not picking up any of the items in my AE2 storage. Not sure if this is intended or fixable, I've gotten so used to using it with my crafting station setup. Not the biggest deal, but would be nice to be able to do it.

[tribal scroll]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ae2-emi-crafting-integration

[copper trench]

Thank you!!!

[tribal scroll]

if you need emi crafting tree when you have ae2 maybe you should rethink some life choices

but that's not for me to judge...

[barren willow]

And rush autocrafting

[tribal scroll]

oh didnt notice

[copper trench]

I mean I don't need it, but I've gotten used to using it

[barren willow]

Valid

Comfort in the known

[twilit oracle]

That's uhhhh

Fabric

unless the mod dev put the wrong mod loader in lol

[tribal scroll]

[copper trench]

another one was found thats for forge, going to test it out. https://gitlab.com/talchas/ae2-emi-crafting-forge

[twilit oracle]

nice

[flint trout]

stone button with water in cutter is cheaper faster and uses less energy to produce 4x the amount than using distilled or lubricant??

[unkempt sequoia]

that sounds an awful lot like someone forgor

[flint trout]

it also can't be done by hand, which fair enough, but then making a lever is apparently only craftable by hand which seems a bit strange

[twilit oracle]

They are all procedurally genned lol

Cutter recipes

[wooden prism]

Prismatic Crucible icon is missing, version 0.13.3

[amber cypress]

does this problem persist on a world restart or game restart?

[wooden prism]

Game restart fixed it, weird

[amber cypress]

Yeah I've noticed that myself a few times

Wacky greg thing I think but nothing to worry about

Just visual

[unkempt sequoia]

but then why are they so inconsistent

it like reeks of them all being procgenned except for the one with water

[flint trout]

only HV item/fluid passthrough blocks are craftable but the entire range of voltages are listen in EMI and the recipe tree defaults to LV

[noble onyx]

you don't need any pass through hatches - just use an LV machine hull to get AE2 into the clean room

[flint trout]

jokes on you I'm not using ae2

I like the greg logistics

and the ae2 conduits are ugly

[tribal scroll]

let's see how far you can get without ae2

[noble gull]

Post updates regularly I want to see when your head explodes

[flint trout]

eh if I eventually have to use it so be it, but for now I'm having lots of fun building a mess of pipes and wires

I did also make one exception so I could set up an amethyst farm for passive steel. but once I get to mm I can throw all that away

[flint trout]

oh minor possible bug, if you have an ender hook active when you teleport through a waystone you'll go flying off towards where you hooked

not a big deal

[swift laurel]

this also works when using the gateway portals in the end btw. very funny to just start flying as soon as you teleport

[vernal pulsar]

the gtm devs tried a moni run without using patterns (not even full ae2-less) and gave up so good luck with that lmao

[flint trout]

so I've been told

[twilit oracle]

I wish you luck

And patience

[inner hinge]

I am failing to see the link between amethyst and steel. What am I missing?

oh, is it to get the 1/5th of iron? you play withouth HNN for infinite iron or something like that?

[barren willow]

expert mode doesn't have hnn

[shrewd hedge]

This looks weird

[lament musk]

That's what the recipe is tbf

[shrewd hedge]

what does it even do? it seems to give nothing in retrun and it doesnt even use a miner

[twilit oracle]

Changes machine state

Says so quite clearly

New type: Normal

[shrewd hedge]

ah

[inner hinge]

I found a sheldonite vein in the end.
EMI pretends it should have palladium ore (50% as frequent as sheldonite in the vein, if I read this "chance" properly), but I had none (and I have several hundreds of the other ores).

Is this intended? should I try finding more veins?
I mean, I don't need Palladium at the moment, and I guess its dust can be obtained through other ways, but I was surprised so I report it

[swift briar]

Ferroboron ingots say "Disabled item" but not only can you make them, you have to in order to make a t5 microminer.

[vernal pulsar]

what component specifically needs them?

[unkempt sequoia]

doesn't the fission reactor controller need them

[swift briar]

Yeah, it's the fission reactor controller, it's just buried a few levels of dependencies deep. The direct item that calls for it is the Tough Alloy Ingot.

[shrewd hedge]

it's a rare ore in the vein

I emptied two veins and only got like 150 palladium ore compared to several thousand of the other ores

you're mainly supposed to get palladium as side drop from ore processing or doing platline AFAIK

[halcyon solar]

tuff cant be turned into tuff dust ?

[twilit oracle]

that aint so tuff

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[inner hinge]

Indeed, it's quite rare, but in the vein I encountered, there wasn't a single one. I've since found veins where there is some, so it was maybe a single occurrence. Maybe some minerals are only there after a certain depth inside their own vein, and that end island was not deep enough and the vein was cut short, I dunno.

[twilit oracle]

Odd, ive always gotten 100s of raw palladium

Wait did moni nerf the vein

Grr

[meager kindle]

i found out that if you arc furnace the maintenance hance you get more resources than you actually use, you get 16 steel instead of 9 but if including the wrought iron, 11 and you get 2 tin instead of 1 tin

[stone condor]

(expert mode) the quest for wrought iron requires the molds quest, but iron nuggets (and therefore wrought iron) can be crafted directly?

[dense iron]

Is threshhold export bus bugged? I can't select more than 64 items

[stone condor]

also is it intentional that mining hammers take 10 durability for each mine and not 9?

[amber cypress]

no but its a greg bug

[stone condor]

ok

[tall sun]

im on expert mode, this recipe gives 4 raw ore blocks. the 3 vanilla ones can downcraft back into 9x raw ore but the raw tin cant?

[tribal scroll]

why did they not remove vanilla unpack recipes

[shrewd hedge]

Robot arm cannot be applied to a pull side of a dual input hatch

[halcyon solar]

fusion reactor outputting to the wrong output hatch

does coloring not work on donuts?

[tribal scroll]

output hatches do not care about color, do they?

just lock extra hatches with water

[twilit oracle]

They do

In gtm 7.5.2

[halcyon solar]

i had to do that

but its so annoying

coloring should solve that

[tribal scroll]

i used to place reservoir hatches instead

wait

that only solves input

[halcyon solar]

yeah

[halcyon solar]

what version is gtm on moni 13.3

[halcyon solar]

i feel like electrical steel should have a circuit number, it conflicts with graphene + tungstensteel

[rotund olive]

noted

although you should prob just use an alloy smelter /j

[rotund olive]

ok so xefyr says to use blocking mode

[halcyon solar]

I do but blocking mode allow same is bugged

[rotund olive]

uhh @eternal vault wanna help them?

[paper bridge]

just don't use allow same for now and multiply patterns for parallel instead

[halcyon solar]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[halcyon solar]

theres a hidden quest thats preventing me from completing the chapter :(

[lapis plume]

Ender eyes still have the vanilla recipe (in NM) making the end accessible in MV

[elfin apex]

If it's NM only that's fine. If it's also in HM that would be problematic.

[twilit oracle]

Hm has the vannila recipe but blaze powder is hv

Doesnt change anything really

[elfin apex]

Blaze powder is blaze rod crushing from HNN tho?

Also

Lost Cities brewing stands can be downcrafted into a blaze rod.

[twilit oracle]

Dang lost cities, but anyways doesnt the cake need other hv stuff too

[elfin apex]

It might yeah. Is Black Steel HV?

Forgot my tiny laptop's charger at my gf's and I'm not home for 2 hours so I am very limited on how much I can use it until then.

[wicked chasm]

Black steel needs a mv chemical bath to cool it, whether or not it needs hv ebf to cook it it still feels like mv lol think I "skipped" to the end asap both times I've ran through hm

[elfin apex]

It needs MV, cupronickel coils. Just checked the KJS files.

[inner hornet]

Causality Exempt Monic Heavy Plating is researched with itself. I guess its to force using the omniscience research beacon but Ill write this here anyway, in case not

[amber cypress]

it is to force the ORB yes

[elfin apex]

That's intended.

It's causality exempt, after all.

[tribal scroll]

another one bites the dust

what concerns me is that not everyone uses discord and can ask that question

there's probably players who are genuinely stuck at this

[unkempt sequoia]

i'm pretty sure there's a quest that not-very-subtly hints at it

i believe its the quest for the ORB itself

something like "this may be useful for things that can't otherwise be researched" or whatever

[elfin apex]

Causality Exempt plating is directly connected to the ORB quest for that exact reason.

[wise root]

Tier 4 rocket does not have a Trinium coil requirement (for the dark solarium engines) so I could not make it when I made cryolobus.

[pastel ledge]

There is no way to craft EnderIO Player Tokens and subsequently no way to give clear glass or fused quartz the not solid to players effect

[inner hinge]

The quest "Muliblock Madness" is unlocked as soon as you can craft all the weird alloys needed in their casings in the Alloy Blast Furnace.
However, to validate the quest, you need to craft a Parallel Control Hatch, the lower of which requires LuV circuits, while at this point you can only craft the IV ones max.
Which is a bit surprising in itself, by the way, as they require the circuit one tier higher than their respective names.

[paper bridge]

LuV circuits only require nano which is typically unlocked before the ABS though

circuit tiers are not directly tied to progression tiers which is confusing

[vernal pulsar]

circuit themes are tied to progression tiers

[paper bridge]

yes that's why it's confusing, the tiers are labeled by progression tiers but the themes are not

[inner hinge]

The Alloy Blast Furnace (which is what I assumed you meant by ABS) and the Multiblock Madness quests are in the Scaling up tab, arguably among the last ones.
In this tab, the only circuit from the nano theme is the first one.
I mean, a little bit of back & forth between tabs is not that much of a problem, I was just a bit frustrated that the multiblock quests did not warn me that I could at this stage build the multiblocks, but not really use their paralelizing power

[elfin apex]

Alloy Blast Smelter, so yes, ABS.

[inner hinge]

oh, I mixed my naming?

indeed, sorry

ah, Electric Blast Furnace

that's where my mistake comes from

well, the difference between a smelter and a furnace, for a non-native speaker, is tenuous at best 😄

sorry about that

[wise root]

I cant control conveyors (only tested mv) on pipes with redstone using a machine control cover. They only update their redstone state when I right click to check their status, I even tried placing a lever on it but it does nothing.

[wintry nova]

Are soft mallets mentioned in the QB? Like using them on multis and such

[barren willow]

yes

you can ctrl+F and search for it

there is a quest for them

[wintry nova]

Ah ok my friend had troubles with the steam multiblocks since he said soft mallets weren’t mentioned

First time gregger btw

[barren willow]

It's in "the factory" chapter near the alloy smelter

[wintry nova]

They must’ve missed it then

[jovial venture]

this cant be right, coke recipe makes creosote, not phenol

[unkempt sequoia]

aren't there multiple recipes and one of them makes phenol

[jovial venture]

no, 2 makes creosote, the other makes coal gas

[wet trellis]

that recipe got changed from outputting Coal Coke to outputting Coal Fly Ash Dust

no the QB still hasn't been updated but they know about it

[jade stirrup]

I can make red steel in cupronickel coil EBF even though EMI says I need kanthal minimum

[wicked chasm]

you might be getting a temperature increase from voltage overclocking that allows you to make it

[jade stirrup]

might be. I did it in a HV EBF

didn't know overclocking increases temperature

[tardy kelp]

coil tier is just the max temperature
higher voltage lets you hit those limits

[weak lily]

flux capacitors not being upgradable to new tiers anymore

[cinder osprey]

Are upside-down greenhouses supposed to grow crops outside of the multi?

[tribal scroll]

plants just grow towards the sun, that's what they do

[elfin apex]

It's the funniest bug in existence LMAO.

[cinder osprey]

its regrowing its hair

it doesnt want to be bald

[eternal vault]

GTM doesn't have an easy way to force multiblocks to be built upright in KJS

[twilit oracle]

.allowExtendedFacing(false)

Its part of the multiblock builder

Both can use it

[eternal vault]

And I assume this was only added to the documentation recently?

[twilit oracle]

That with the NON_Y rotation state

[twilit oracle]

Oh its not in the docu lol

I should fix that

Nega told me

[eternal vault]

No, non_y allows the multiblock orientation shown in the above screenshot

It just disallows the face of the controller to face up or down

Multiblock rotaters gonna cry in anguish in one of the upcoming updates now that I've learned this information

[twilit oracle]

That with

Extended facing false

Both are needed

[eternal vault]

Ok that was unclear to me until now, thanks for the clarification

[twilit oracle]

I wanted to do docs for multiblock related stuff but onion told me to wait till the rework in 8.0

[cinder osprey]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

WHY DID I SEND THAT SCREENSHOT

Woe is i

I have become death, destroyer of rotated multiblocks

[distant pagoda]

When I update and my sixteen sideways greenhouse break, I will blame you and you alone

[wet trellis]

now the whole world knows >:3

[weak lily]

please noooooo

[eternal vault]

#2576

[junior patio]

Monifactory Issue Tracker

Issue #2576

Force upright Greenhouses

Created

<t:1776484853:D>

Status

Open

[distant pagoda]

I'm glad I have the freedom to not update

[tribal scroll]

crime scene

[wild fractal]

no fun allowed

[twilit oracle]

I have the freedom to change code

As do you

[cinder osprey]

I can't believe such evil is allowed to exist

[distant pagoda]

Then that is changes I have to maintain if I do update and I'm trying not to repeat my naphtha mode run

[weak lily]

these 2 quests being locked to LV while the tool one is free to be done at any tool tier
not everyone needs power storage at LV and it doesnt make any sense to have to make these just for the quest and never use them does it

[wild fractal]

Same thing as LIO blocking the thermal powergen line when you can just put a converter on a dynamo and not waste resources on LIO sooner than needed (it gets much cheaper after making a bender)

[weak lily]

that too

[wise root]

Text on the blast furnace for when you have no outputs is too long

[elfin apex]

I think that's a GTm bug?

[wise root]

ya probably, ill go post it on their git

[hot dune]

cryogenic fluorine?

[jaunty sapphire]

in the recipes for PE/PVC/PVA/PTFE that use ticl4, is PE supposed to be on a different p-circuit than the other 3? mildly annoying to need an extra input hatch on lcr lol

[paper bridge]

it makes no sense realistically but sometimes it just be like that

[twilit oracle]

%t realism

[zenith condor]

the true meaning of GregTech... If that's the true meaning though, why not just play real life?

[twilit oracle]

[paper bridge]

j*b application 🤮

[jovial venture]

shouldnt this be a bath recipe?

[jovial venture]

extended cant take auto complete cards

[wet trellis]

yea they know i think
idk if they planned on fixing this tho

[jovial venture]

bruhhh

[elfin apex]

It's surpriaingly hard to fix.

[wet trellis]

withers why are you a simp /j

-# if you don't get it read your name quickly

[jovial venture]

is it intended that light cracking steam and hydrogen are on the same circuit?

[wise root]

Is it normal for frames to become translucent when pipes are added to them?

[elfin apex]

Interesting. That's the secondary layer only displaying.

[paper bridge]

you can use spray colored inputs to separate them if you want to do all cracks in the same cracker

[jovial venture]

i was using a quad hatch for hydrogen and steam, so i just used single out instead of quad out and locked the output

[cinder osprey]

assembly line gratings can either be done in a crafting table or in an iv assembler for 40 seconds with no benefit

[tardy kelp]

The assmebler recipes for many things that can be done in a crafting table are from base Greg.
It's just the config option that disables the crafting table recipe is not enabled.

...actually isn't that the default normally?

[tall sun]

Ferroboron has no circuit in the mixer

The steel + boron inputs from these two circuit ONE recipes mix into ferroboron

miserable

this needs a circuit ( can work around it by not using circuit 1 )

circuit 1 makes mud..

[tribal scroll]

so many discoveries at once

did you write a script to check for conflicts?

[tall sun]

no

we've had our mixer constantly have recipes crossing over we jsut clear it and requeue everyhting i just wanted to figure out what it was

[elfin apex]

The humble blocking mode:

[eternal vault]

Gonna make a tag for this given how often it comes up

Huzzah

%t recipeconflict

[zenith condor]

TWO recipes' inputs combining to run a THIRD recipe instead is NOT A RECIPE CONFLICT!
You need to learn to USE BLOCKING MODE!!!

[tall sun]

the humble parallel preventer

the whole point of circuits is to prevent this, solution should not be blocking mode rather a recipe update

[twilit oracle]

the humble multiply your recipe

[tall sun]

that works but the root cause is a recipe that needs a circuit\

[swift laurel]

im quite certain this is incorrect. Circuits were added to make sure all recipes were consistently possible by themselves. For example: Recipe 1 requires a + b, while recipe 2 requires a + b + c. In this case, recipe 2 will sometimes just be impossible to run, and circuits were employed to prevent this. The described behavior of recipe 1 + recipe 2 running recipe 3 is not the purpose for circuits existing.

[eternal vault]

Yep.
There are recipes implemented by Gregtech Modern itself (as in, recipes that Moni does not change at all) that exhibit the behavior PrismaticVoid references.
If you have an issue with this type of behavior, you'd best report it to them directly instead.
One example of this are the mixer recipes for Indium Tin Barium Titanium Cuprate (LuV superconductor) and Bronze.
Circuits were made to prevent the Bronze recipe from running when attempting to run the superconductor recipe.

[tall sun]

its not combining refipes though

hold up

dirt + water with circuit1 makes mud. this is a subset of the ingredients for fertilizer which becomes impossible if you try to make it on circuit 1 even though it specifies no circuit

you can work around it by using another circuit, but that would quite literally be the point of the circuits as you said right?

ill take a look over there anyway thought they might have been moni recipes

[eternal vault]

The trick is to not put these two recipes in the same singleblock mixer, or input bus if you're using a multiblock.

There are ways to avoid every recipe "conflict", you just have to use them.

[weak lily]

LuV coils?

yoo uh anyone know what could have caused me to have 600 buckets of dihchlorobenzene even tho i make it nowhere?

[inner hornet]

Polybenzimidazole?

[weak lily]

that's chlorobenzene into nitrochlorobenzene into dihchlorobenzidine

so no dihchlorobenzene

btw is there really no oil cracking IV multiblock

i cant see a parallelable cracker

[inner hornet]

Biggest bottleneck for transcendental ingot… i have 64 cracker with uev16A and omnium coils and its still not enough sometimes

[noble gull]

LCR

[twilit oracle]

make it

the cracker is a gcym multi

it IS the multiblock upgrade

like abs

thats why there is no parallel abs in base gt

[weak lily]

there's no singleblock cracker tho

the real thing it brings is lossless cracking

[twilit oracle]

chemical reactor

[twilit oracle]

thats the upgrade yes

the abs is an ebf upgrade but its not 1:1

[weak lily]

ig

but like man, we even have assline parallel

why not the cracker

[twilit oracle]

real

i was just giving the base gt reason

no idea why moni says no

[distant pagoda]

Given how strong oil is atm, I doubt Moni devs would be itching to give it anything else to be stronger lol. But I'm no Moni dev so idk.

[elfin apex]

Maybe the actual solution is to not use the cracker in an endgame line?

[twilit oracle]

the solution is not using the machine for the job because the intended gameplay is to spam the same machine we've spammed forever, losing product?

that doesnt make sense

Not An Assline and Mabs was made because the machine for the job was too slow

and they have become some of the most beloved moni multis

[elfin apex]

I mean the solution is for us devs not to use it.

LCR is lame too for reference.

[twilit oracle]

ah

[tribal scroll]

💚

[high ravine]

Advanced microverse type sensor have this as desciption of redstone mode

[twilit oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-andy-dwyer-parks-and-rec-parksandrec-my-bad-gif-10672222362693713795

[hot dune]

why it look like that

[nocturne basalt]

Is it intended that the rock breaker recipes just aren't usable on the various planets like mars? Should I go report that as a bug?

Specifically, issue is that water freezes near instantly on them.

Which means the recipes which pretty much all need in world water are effectively unusable

[distant pagoda]

Can't you just use the multiblock one?

[nocturne basalt]

I mean, you can.

But the multiblock is much more expensive than the singleblock machine

Should they just be gelid cryotheum or something similar to the netherrack recipe being different cause you can't use water in the nether?

[weak lily]

plasma generation in jei displaying in EV tier when the plasma turbine starts at IV tier

[tribal scroll]

what? that's just how much power the recipe makes

turbines parallel this recipe

iirc

[weak lily]

oh what

[elfin apex]

GTm bug, no idea why.

[elfin apex]

Yeah. They parallel the recipe until they reach their EU target value. Like comb gens.

[weak lily]

yeah i finally understood that though i have another question now
why is the recipe EV base
you cant put an EV rotor holder on it anyways so its always gonna be 8x paralleled at base

[elfin apex]

It could be .5s at IV true

[eternal vault]

No, they are usable.
In an oxygenated environment water does not freeze.

[wet trellis]

circuitless (C0) recipes conflicting with a recipe with a Programmed Circuit is not a problem unless you're trying to run the C0 recipe in a C1 machine. this is why it's best to separate them.

(idk why Discord put me up there but whatever)

actually

%t add C0 Programmed Circuit Zero (C0 or Circuitless) recipes are recipes that don't require a Programmed Circuit. However, just because you can run these in a machine that has its Programmed Circuit set, does not mean you should, as there can be conflicts. It's best to treat Circuitless recipes as just another Programmed Circuit, hence "C0".

[zenith condor]

Created tag c0.

[wet trellis]

enjoy

[wet trellis]

hey so uh, Neutronium / Enriched Naquadah doesn't provide a speed bonus, it actually just raises the minimum reactor tier by 1 and doubles the MEU required to start, is this intended
i mean it's nbd if it's meant to be the same speed but just using less of the more expensive material but
something about this feels wrong

again if Fusion OC worked as intended it would act the same way it does here anyway

so it probably is intentional but i just wanted to send it because
A. it made me laugh
and B. only you devs know whether or not it was intentional

[amber cypress]

fusion oc is Wacky

[wet trellis]

yea true

like i said tho, because it increases the reactor tier required, it would work the exact same way in CEu, with one less OC for all cases

but yea this is funny

is it just meant to increase the reactor tier required, in order to properly handle the Enriched Naqauadah / Neutronium?

[amber cypress]

honestly just using neut is the best play

it's neut-positive

[wet trellis]

yea ik

but yea it was probably intentional but fusion is weird

[amber cypress]

but yeah i think the idea is just using less of the more expensive material

[wet trellis]

regardless that's also it
we have both
MoniFusionOC
and
MoniParticleAccelerationOC

so uh
have fun with those

[amber cypress]

what

they OC the same way

[wet trellis]

yes i know

but it's just two sheets showing the two tabs

%t moniparticleaccelerationoc

[zenith condor]

angelthedemongirl

Red = Incorrect displayed time
Green = Correct displayed time
(Hyperdegenerate Matter has the correct duration it has listed in EMI, I just didn't want to add Helical and all of its possible tiers onto the list too)

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From #monifactory · May 16, 2026, 7:54 PM

[amber cypress]

oic

[wet trellis]

-# also feel free to ping me if there's ever a change in the Fusion recipes
-# this is already based on the 0.13.1 recipes but i don't think anything in either tab changed in 0.13.2 or 0.13.3

[amber cypress]

ogey

[wild fractal]

There is no tuff -> tuff dust recipe

[tribal scroll]

damn thats tuff

[hardy hornet]

it is entirely impossible to avoid the nether due to MV emitters requiring a flawless emerald

[dusty swan]

What about villagers?

[hardy hornet]

that'll get you emeralds but you need flawless emeralds. only way to get those is direct from ore or with an HV machine

okay wait i forgot there are modes besides expert

this is probably an expert mode issue specifically

[dusty swan]

Ooh wait you'll get those from the ores indeed. Yeah my bad I just woke up i guess

[hardy hornet]

no worries

[elfin apex]

There's no OW emerald ore?

[hardy hornet]

not that shows up in EMI, just nether and mercury veins, and i certainly haven't found any while wandering around the overworld

[twilit oracle]

No

Never has been

[hardy hornet]

yeah i'd assumed that was definitely intentional

just seemed odd flawless emeralds for mv emitters are the only thing you strictly must get from the nether, and then you only need two

[twilit oracle]

You can get antimony from overworld?

[hardy hornet]

comes from realgar in copper tin veins

not a ton, but yes

[twilit oracle]

Oh right

[elfin apex]

I mean honestly I'm so used to needing zinc from the nether that I forgot you can skip that.

[twilit oracle]

Realgar is so bad i alwags go to the nether lol

Also ore proccing tin for zinc kinda sucks

[elfin apex]

Right, right. You can oreproc tin for zinc. This isn't Frontiert, and you don't need zinc before you reach the nether anyways.

But isn't sphalerite (zinc) also good for gallium?

[hardy hornet]

it is, thermal centrifuge recipe

i've been using bauxite from mica veins

i'm not avoiding the nether bc i think it's efficient, i just don't like the nether and wanna see what i can get away with

apparently not many people do that lol

[elfin apex]

Nether is just kind of necessary anyways.

Only source of netherrack IIRC, and you need it for some recipes.

Plus, lava is kinda neat for T2.5MMs, which are easier to scale than HNN.

[hardy hornet]

lava and dust in a chem reactor makes netherrack

and then you can rock breaker it

at ev, but yknow

[elfin apex]

(Wait no, T2.5MMs are technically lava positive through magma blocks, right.)

[elfin apex]

Nether-locked recipe.

[hardy hornet]

ah

then yeah it'd just be dust and lava

[elfin apex]

But if you use T2.5MM's magma block mission, you get a decent positive magma loop.

In exchange for T2.5 repair mats ofc, which you can HNN easily IIRC.

[hardy hornet]

for a slightly more cursed version, you can synthesize magma from sulfur, carbon, and some plant balls starting in HV, should be something you can set up to run passively

[elfin apex]

LMAO.

WAIT.

Oh yeah in NM you can nether skip through coins.

But uh... How did you get sulfur for rubber?

[hardy hornet]

uhhhhh

steam centrifuging galena iirc

yeah, steam centrifuging impure galena piles

it sucks but it is, technically, sulfur production

later it was electrolyzing galena, and then EBFing galena for better efficiency and a nice pile of silver byproduct

[elfin apex]

I see.

Once you get your hands on early MMs or ash production you can get better sulfur IIRC.

Honestly, considering that 2 flawless emeralds is the only thing you strictly need the nether for, I lowkey want to find a way to make the pack beatable OW/void only now.

[hardy hornet]

i would love to be able to do that in a way that's clean without changing balance, the question is just. how lmao

[wet trellis]

not a bad idea to make the pack beatable OW-only tbh
now Void only? not a fan of that idea

imo you should still have to go to the OW for a while even if you try immediately setting up your base in the void world

[elfin apex]

OW/void as in OW + void.

I feel like a fun post-1.0 update could be a "skyblock" toggle that makes void only possible.

But, and take this as an official statement:
The Monifactory team will not make any active effort towards supporting void-only/skyblock playthroughs of the pack during the beta phase.
-# Anything post-release is also purely hypothetical and not guaranteed.

This is a level of scope creep I feel will be easy to stick to.

[wet trellis]

aaah

[wet trellis]

the bolded text is based

[elfin apex]

I would love an official skyblock support, but it is like negative priority.

[eternal vault]

Void world/Skyblock is totally possible in NM thanks to Monicoins lol

has been for a while

only annoying part is the regular Skyblock part of grinding basic resources such as Iron to make the tools and bounty board to start buying ores but I made a minimalistic map that lets you skip that part

[rotund olive]

are you suppose to be able to use zinc to make chains, should mention I have create installed

[rotund olive]

is it intentional you need the 2 turbines to complete this quest?

since you need this to get the grinder and foundery(or however it is spelt) quests

[wet trellis]

yes HOWEVER i am under the opinion that this should also allow any GT Steam-producing thing except the Heater

[wet trellis]

but yea if you look at the ratio listed that's why it takes two

[rotund olive]

I do think GT steam turbines should be able to complete the quest

I didn't want to waste resources on the 2 RF turbines (I'm doing a NM no rf run for context)

[wet trellis]

well they gate the Steam multis so you don't even need power for those

why they require strictly POWER generation is beyond me

[rotund olive]

maybe just don't gate the steam multis behind them but ig most people are going the RF route

[twilit oracle]

the only steam multi that needs power is foundry

lol

[rotund olive]

the foundry needs power?

I thought it only needed steam

[twilit oracle]

ah, no it just needs a lv machine

to make it

[rotund olive]

yeah

back to working on my quad-steam-grinder

[golden tide]

(hard mode?) there are two ways to create an advanced magnet upgrade. one method requires LV for the enderio vacuum chest, or you can make one out of a pickup upgrade pre-steam age if you loot some enderpearls from lost cities

is the magnet upgrade intended to be gated to LV?

[radiant sequoia]

copying over from the general chat where i first posted this:

"the hv gas turbine, and the hv steam turbine both count as some of the machines needed to unlock the HV Age quest, but the HV combustion engines do not count towards the quest"

"looking at it its the same for MV tier too
i think they maybe just got missed in the 'whitelist' for the quests en masse
i cant see a reason why they shouldnt count"

[hardy hornet]

i keep hearing you can make nether quartz out of glass but i don't have that recipe, is that intended because i'm on expert?

[swift laurel]

iirc nm only recipe

[wet trellis]

Exclusive to NM and HM uwu

it's disabled in EM specifically

from what I've heard at least

[hardy hornet]

cool so i'm not crazy lmao

thought that was the case

[wet trellis]

when i say "from what i've heard", i mean that i have done both NM and EM, but i haven't done HM

[mossy raft]

idk if it was allready mentioned but the new zpiglin and drowner HNN cant be used in higher tier machines only the single block one (i think it falls under "smaller things")

[rotund olive]

wdym higher tier

[mossy raft]

the multiblock ones

even in NEI it only shows the single block one

(i'm super bad at remembering names of machines xD)

[rotund olive]

so there isn't a recipe for the multiblock HNN machines?

lemme check

[mossy raft]

let me get a screenshot, i exited my world so it doesnt come to a grinding halt xD

[rotund olive]

hmmm

[mossy raft]

yeah

normal ones have a section for the multiblocks

at least the predictions do have the multiblock section so maybe its just an oversight

[rotund olive]

probably the latter

I doubt this is intentional

[mossy raft]

well, i'm gonna wait for a fix before fixing my HNN stuff, i'm not setting up a ghetto single block machine XD

[rotund olive]

#2623

[junior patio]

Monifactory Issue Tracker

Issue #2623

Gave ZPiglin and Drowned Sim Supercomputer Recipes

Created

<t:1780495472:D>

Status

Open

[rotund olive]

when this is merged they'll get their recipes

[mossy raft]

thanks

[inner hinge]

#moni-help message
UHV transformer recipe is different in crafting table and assembler : UHPIC vs UXPIC chip, which is a somewhat significant difference.
This is the only tier this happens. (IV to UV don't have crafting recipe (only assembler), all other tiers use no chip or the same on in both)

[zenith condor]

201007244

Wait what. Am I noticing only now that sometimes the power chip needed for a transformer varies between the crafint recipe and the assembler recipe?

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From #moni-help · Jun 3, 2026, 3:44 PM

[wet trellis]

all instances of Bronze/Steel/Aluminium/Stainless Steel in Sophisticated Storage and Sophisticated Backpacks and the equivalents in Functional Storage have had their textures and names swapped back to Copper/Iron/Gold/Diamond for the former and Copper/Gold/Diamond/Netherite for the latter
idk when this changed but i think it happened in 0.13.4 or 0.13.5
-# me when KubeJS is just bugged for me LMFAO

the recipes remain the standard Moni recipes for these things too

so Diamonds and Netherite aren't even used in their named upgrades

[wet trellis]

@elfin apex have any comment? uwu

[elfin apex]

Can you tell me which version it happened in?

Also FUCKING WEBLATE!

[pastel ledge]

The singleblock loot fabricator from HNN can still produce guardian scales despite them being depreciated, It also now has two identical recipes for wet sponge. These issues do not affect the multiblock loot fabricator, just the singleblock version.

[wise root]

Advanced Microverse Type sensor is talking about the color of the crucible

[drowsy fossil]

The Quest about Cleanrooms says that any kind of door is allowed, but using the sliding Ad Astra Doors will not work

[twilit oracle]

they are 9 blocks, the limit on cleanroom doors is 6

and it counts both blocks of each door as one

so turns out to max of 3 normal doors

[ornate frost]

Hello! Is it intended that zombified piglin and drowned don't work in the simulation supercomputer in 0.13.5?

[inner hinge]

is it normal that grinding or scrapping an UHV machine hull yields neutronium and not manyullyn?

that's a weird way to acquire neutronium

[wet trellis]

no but working with recycling is a pain in the goddamn ass

[wet trellis]

just ignore this recipe and produce Neutronium the old-fashioned way

[inner hinge]

I know, but apparently this recipe is still there in the last version so I thought I would report it

[wet trellis]

i just don't think it's very high priority rn

[twilit oracle]

thanks for reporting

[twilit oracle]

I'd rather the report and be able to put it on the list if anyone has time to fix it

than to not have it at all

[elfin apex]

@twilit oracle you're the specialist aren't you?

[twilit oracle]

it's a matter of not being able to use replaceInput with recycling

easy fix

[vernal pulsar]

fixed in dev

[inner hinge]

Yet another questbook weird thing: On the progression tab, the Eleventh microminer has UEV circuits (Optical processor mainframe) as prerequisite (only show when you mouseover the T11 MM), but that circuit is not necessary at all to make this MM. I know, I have done it already and still don't have null (so no hyper RAM, so no Optical Mainframe). In the Home Stretch tab, the quest is validated though (they are not linked). T11 needs UHV circuit, not UEV.

[reef stream]

no simulation supercomputer for this, is this intended?

[rotund olive]

fixed in dev

someone forgot to add them

idk who

[twilit oracle]

ill take the blame

[reef stream]

https://tenor.com/view/sonbrero-son-sonion-blasterdoll-gif-10302947654662408028

[reef stream]

Ok thanks

[rotund olive]

https://giphy.com/gifs/son-itsburger010-sonion-vB6Yf0DYFWLjEgpScJ

[hardy hornet]

electrolyzing apatite doesn't give oxygen?

[reef stream]

Isn't that silicon dioxide? Whats the white dust

[hardy hornet]

my game crashed when trying to load a world to check and i gtg but it should be calcium

[wet trellis]

intentional BUT yes this gives Phosphorus instead of Phosphate

not that you should be complaining

uwu

[wet trellis]

bwaaaa it doesn't subtick OC...

[rotund olive]

is that a maxed out rock cycle simulator

making netherrack...

[wet trellis]

Sulphur, no further comment.

[rotund olive]

ah that makes sense since you don't have HNN or Petrochem

but maxed out RCS

is a bit overkill

[wet trellis]

%t hikari

[zenith condor]

it's overkill until it's not

[wet trellis]

but not even that applies because it's not overkill to begin with

[rotund olive]

it's not...

[wet trellis]

but yea this thing should be giving me 16384 recipes at once

[rotund olive]

wait why does the RCS not subtick OC

[wet trellis]

no idea tbh

i think it's something that has to be enabled for each multi

[rotund olive]

isn't RCS moni exclusive

[wet trellis]

i know that in 0.12, the Simulation Supercomputer (now Quantum Computer) and Loot Superfabricator (now...whatever it is lmao) also didn

't

[wet trellis]

yeah exactly

[rotund olive]

let me get on my main PC

I'll try to enable it for the moni exclusive multis

[elfin apex]

The lack of subtick is unintended but makes sense.

It's a one-line change in machine def.

[rotund olive]

we should make singleblocks have subtick /j

[wet trellis]

yea
i could honestly PR it for all custom multis except the PrismaC and Microverse Projector

hold please

[wet trellis]

just gotta figure out how to make a PR kekw

[rotund olive]

join the ranks of

https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md#basics-of-git

[wet trellis]

small question
does GTRecipeModifiers.OC_NON_PERFECT_SUBTICK also imply non-perfect OC in general

[rotund olive]

judging by the name

probably

[wet trellis]

just wondered because i don't see it in the 3 places it's present

[twilit oracle]

give everything perfect oc subtick

/j

[rotund olive]

OC_PERFECT_SUBTICK is probably what the LCR uses

[twilit oracle]

also should this be in #moni-dev

[wet trellis]

ye uwu

[reef stream]

Make singleblocks rise from their downfall again

https://tenor.com/view/ksi-floating-high-ascend-flying-gif-6255124189148414041

[twilit oracle]

kill singleblocks

[wet trellis]

real

kill EV+ Chem Reactors and LuV+ Everyone Else

[inner hinge]

Hmm, wrong. Darconite yes, but not Hyperdegenerate.

(the rest is correct)

[elfin apex]

A GT modpack with only multiblocks could be funny NGL.

[wet trellis]

real

[wet trellis]

also i think i fucked something up along the way

[amber cypress]

greg multiblock madness????????????????????

[reef stream]

Fix oreproc bottleneck before that

Or tbh something that would tell the multiblock to cycle between the given ores would be enough

[twilit oracle]

threaded multis

to be clear this is not happening thou i wish it would

[reef stream]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-is-often-disappointing-marvel-mcu-gif-16316172

[reef stream]

Recipe

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-ffxiv-final-fantasy-xiv-final-fantasy-14-ff14-gif-10167608605026655705

Oh wait thats actually a word

Oh nvm actually

I think i made the mistake here

Why did i think the word must be written as recipie

[vernal pulsar]

reci🥧

[tame prairie]

is it intended for the duration to complete 1x and 2x wires on the wiremill to be the same?

[wet trellis]

yes?

because the 1x recipe makes 2

which can then be turned into 1 2x wire

2 1x Wire = 1 2x Wire

[tame prairie]

oh im dumb, thanks for clearing that up

[tribal scroll]

and the pack is just 2x2 multi blocks with 1 energy 2 io and controller for every singleblock

[inner hinge]

Huh? I don't get it.

[reef stream]

nah was my mistake forget bout it

[icy star]

We have the issue in TFG

I think the fix was to add the material info argument when redoing the recipe

[twilit oracle]

ic

[inner hinge]

My Progression tab has been marked as validated when I did MAX age, while the chest is not done yet. Weird?

[wet trellis]

that's a linked quest

it's actually a part of the Endgame tab

[inner hinge]

ooh

[inner hinge]

Oh, I managed to trick the ORB into working while not consuming any resource

I cut the wire powering my HPCA

they are not consuming power nor PCB, but the ORB is stuck mid-cycle and is emitting its blue laser

it's not only a graphical glitch, as I was able to craft my Causality Exempt Monic Heavy Plating

(I was planning on waiting for every ingredient to be in the Assembly Line before powering the ORB again properly just for the time needed to make one plate, but the assembly line unexpectedly started crafting...)

[elfin apex]

Fucking... COMPUTATION.

@amber cypress

[wet trellis]

10/10 coding on the ORB and TES am i right

me when the ORB shuts off my PSS

kekw

[elfin apex]

ORB?

[wet trellis]

referring to a bug that happened in like the beta versions or whatever

i think the ORB shut off the PSS by accident instead of the TES doing that

[elfin apex]

Oh fair.

[wet trellis]

btw in the 0.13 world i just cheated in a Creative Computation Provider because the Computation fucking refused to work
it was 8 passively cooled HPCAs and with the TES there's literally nothing being eaten specifically for those HPCAs so...

but yea computation can fuck off

[elfin apex]

Yeah we spent a WHILE connecting them all in the dev run. Fuck CWU pipenet.

[wet trellis]

Computation is a mechanic of all time

[inner hinge]

Uhmmm, exactly how buggy is this TES thing?

I've just tried completely switching over to it, and I have many of my old machines that now have this behaviour :

it seems breaking them and putting them on again fixes it, but I cannot be forced to do that everywhere the tiniest thing has broken down

I also have to reconfigure all their covers in the process...

[amber cypress]

hmmmmm

that's odd

shit so it's not notifying the machine that the charge has happened

shit

balls

hmmmmmmm i think i've fixed the functionality itself but it still shows the Insufficent Inputs widget

[pastel ledge]

The widget sometimes fails to disappear once the problem has been fixed

I think that might just be a bug in base GT

[amber cypress]

maybe...

[elfin apex]

It is. Happens pre-TES too.

[amber cypress]

in that case i'll just make a quick release of monilabs as is with the fix i just made

[inner hinge]

Sorry to uncover weird stuff

[amber cypress]

nah its good actually

[primal brook]

apologize if this has already been asked but I was messing about with ore processing set ups and noticed that endstone dust comes from macerating any lead ore instead of just endstone lead ore. is that on purpose?

[golden tide]

very interesting, the same is true for osmiridium ores

[wet trellis]

AlmostUnified bug]

it affects GT ores

when it REALLY shouldn't

it's also why, when cooking shit in a regular ass Furnace, you can switch to 2x output on your ores

i don't think your specific instance has been reported admittedly

but looking at this'

i just know it's caused by AlmostUnified freaking out

[hot dune]

hi just curious what is tes

[barren willow]

best to ask in the help or main channel

but it's the creative energy multi

transdimentional energy singularity

[hot dune]

fun

well it seemed to be mentioned a lot here

[inner hinge]

I reported this for ruby (and another one I can't remember) in 0.13.1, I dunno if it's fixed in later versions.
Would you like me to check all ores next time I'm on my laptop?

[wet trellis]

well you don't have to report them individually

it's just a general issue with AlmostUnified

EVERY ore is affected

[inner hinge]

Oh ok. As far as EMI was concerned, it only showed the problem for a few specific ores. Because the recipe used the ore tag and not the specific ore encased in a specific stone.
But I don't know what AlmostUnified is, so I trust your judgement

[wet trellis]

AlmostUnified is the mod that merges a lot of stuff

unfortunately it also merges every single ore

[elfin apex]

0.13.6 will be the last 0.13 patch before 0.14.

If any of y'all know about simple bugs or critical issues requiring an urgent fix, let us know NOW.

[pastel ledge]

Guardian prediction recipes in the singleblock loot fabricator

you can still make the depreciated guardian scales, and there are also two identical copies of the sponge recipe

it should not be possible to get a depreciated item through normal means

[wet trellis]

already known

[twilit oracle]

still thanks for saying it

[crisp ferry]

Very very minor thing for the website https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/releases/tag/untagged-bca7a6b4efedc059fa42

Is a 404 page

Not sure if this is the proper thread for it but i did want to note it

[rotund olive]

@elfin apex prob should check this out

[tame prairie]

is it intended for laser io nodes to not be able to directly input fluids into super tanks?

[golden tide]

should work fine, however super tanks have an output side and by default do not accept fluid input from there

check in the super tank "change directional setting" gui

either that or just change where the output face is with a wrench

[tame prairie]

ahhh, gotcha. i had to place it from the side as a workaround

[whole moth]

Substation uses IV circuits, but the quest is locked behind LuV circuits

Indium Concentrate is stated to use a Chemical Reactor, however uses a Mixer

[cursive ember]

Emergency Items timer is extremely difficult to read at all GUI scales

[paper bridge]

Just noting here that a player had a weird issue with ae2, the system would push crafts but all except the first set of items simply got voided. The thread leading to this point: #moni-help message
It was resolved by reinstalling, i don't think it merits a fix but it's worth keeping in mind for the future

[zenith condor]

jamiro0931

reinstall worked, got the angel ring back too

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From #moni-help · Jul 8, 2026, 3:15 PM

[whole moth]

Active Transformer quest is locked behind Advanced LuV Materials but doesnt require any as far as I can tell

[golden tide]

you need niobium titanium for the IV power transformer

[whole moth]

ah thanks