General "Is this Intended?" Thread

[wind belfry]

Go watch a movie and come back lmao

[amber dome]

its over a day lmao

[frank flower]

just decided to build another lathe and leave that running

and use 2x infinity rods 😦

(in the crafting table)

[frank flower]

same issue with me

[languid glacier]

Yea..

[eternal vault]

Longest-lived gamebreaking bug
That’s been around since the second group finished IIRC

[frank flower]

so it is actually meant to be?

or a bug as xefyr said

[languid glacier]

Yea I thought so

Nomi had it like that too

It's just maxint

Ocable

[cunning tulip]

Can one enable harder mode mid-game? ... I'm still in LV age tho... primarily using greg power only

[frank sage]

yes

[languid glacier]

Yea

If you have anything automated they may break

[paper shard]

Trying to craft basic integrated circuits but this recipe isnt starting the machine for some reason? Am I stupid or `

[amber dome]

are you on harder mode

[paper shard]

no should be on normal mode

[warm geyser]

Wrong assembler

[paper shard]

Does it have to be basic?

[warm geyser]

No

[paper shard]

OMG I just realized xD damn that was stupid so sorry

[warm geyser]

Circuit assembler

[gusty reef]

Advanced Crafting Table does not require the advanced catalyst, yet the advanced crafting table QUEST requires the advanced catalyst QUEST, I am on hard mode is this packmode specific issue?

[delicate pasture]

feel like this should be a check box quest since you can have the multi at zpm pretty easily

i dont want to make a zpm circuit assembler just to instantly recycle it

[molten oracle]

Perhaps byproducts shouldn't come first in the recipe

Attempting to view the recipe tree at all defaults to the ashes

[polar iron]

One of these days I'll remember to see about it getting fixed

[wind belfry]

Agreed exactly what i did lmao

[languid glacier]

Uh no you need the zpm circuit assembler before you can get zpm hatches I think

I recall needing a zpm circuit ass

You can't use the multi because using multiple hatches or amps doesn't boost the recipe tier on large assembler and large circuit ass

[delicate pasture]

uh

i have zpm on my multi

and no zpm circuit assembler

just takes a zpm circ

and its not a prereq for research station or anything since i have those quests

only wetware

[uneven frigate]

yea you dont need the zpm circ ass for zpm hatches

just the regular assembler

for the voltage coil

[delicate pasture]

ye thats all i made for singleblocks for zpm

everything else just got hatches

[uneven frigate]

which is correct, we force the player to make the singleblock assembler

but thats it iirc

👍

[delicate pasture]

ye thats totally fine

i just think the circ assembler quest should be a check

[fair drum]

this recipe in jei for the complex smd capacitors doesn't work

I assume its missing something

I've tried both multi assembler and regular both running uhv

latest version of the pack

[languid glacier]

Fixed in dev

Something europium wasn't registered

[modest vigil]

You can't make barrels in an assembly machine

Recipe doesnt work

[languid glacier]

send recipe

And ur machine

Recipe.maybe conflicting

It'd be nice if you could get the recipe id too

Enable recipe ids in emi config

And hover the recipe item output

[frank flower]

minor spoiler, you need a zpm+ circuit assembler to put in sterlizing cleanroom

and single blocks are easier for that purpose

[languid glacier]

^

[rapid iron]

storage i/o is uncraftable as it requires sophisticated storage's wooden chests

also the Storage Tool

[languid glacier]

blame pansmith for nukingrecipes

[frank flower]

with one uev 16A energy hatch, the max power in is 134M:

when you add a uv 16a energy hatch, it decrases to 71M

is there an issue with using two 16A energy hatches?

[potent widget]

the third circuits are locked behind this quest even though you can make the hv assembler and the SMD capacitor first

[wind belfry]

Is it intended that the void world just randomly switches dark?
my solars go from 0 to 24 to 100 completely random even if i sleep it stays

[weak lily]

ehylbenzene to styrene in a chem reactor with nothing else?

[dry wharf]

makes sense, it gets rid of the extra 2 hydrogen

[uneven frigate]

that's actually how it's usually made irl

altho irl it's a few more steps than just that

[main aurora]

You can make the first MV circuits in the circuit assembler using any type of LV circuit, not only the first type.

[delicate pasture]

The little asterisk means it’s a tag, if you click it you’ll see every lv circuit

[languid glacier]

Yes that's intended

Although

Pansmith pleeeassse give us UC's

[dry wharf]

the Blast smelter does not double yield (576mb = 4 ingots)

[supple blaze]

this is basically how we do it in lab

although it’s much easier in greg

[eternal vault]

Is the Pattern Modifier not good enough?

[languid glacier]

No cus then you have to go and take out every pattern in your system and replace them 3 times per circuit, and sometimes it's a long gap between

and in different patterns all over the place, then remember where they go

I'd rather just pattern a UC once

It's a timesave

QOL

Like ah I unlocked crystal circuits time to go and take every pattern in my system to replace the Nanos, per tier which is 3 times, then remember where they all go back

It would be fine if ae2 took tags or pattern modifier worked system wide without taking things out

[eternal vault]

Yeah that led to Pan making the <Pan’s AE2 with tags in processing pattern recipes fork> channel which was then met with backlash and the UC discussion going dead for the second time

[languid glacier]

Well the fork wouldn't go anywhere without raine anyway and raine is busy

UC just makes everything cleaner imo

Imma make some kinda shifting uc textures for my pack, moni can use them

[uneven frigate]

just passive everything don't use patterns

[languid glacier]

You don't fucking passive the uses of circuits you passive the circuits themself

DEATH!!!!

[uneven frigate]

nah just passive it bro

[languid glacier]

Passive uv forge hammer

[uneven frigate]

if you need it yea

but also would you need a pattern for uv forge hammer

[languid glacier]

The classic automation saying

If you need one of something

Make a thousand

Automate it

Omw to passive every tier of all 30 gt machines

[austere raven]

Normal mode
Sophisticated storage:
Controller is craftable
Storage Tool isnt craftable
Storage Link is craftable

Problem? To use the Storage link, you need the Storage tool
meaning its literally useless, and doesnt make sense to have a recipe unless im missing smth

[languid glacier]

Problem: pansmith

[austere raven]

i mean, technically correct

[frank sage]

In harder mode all is fineru

XD

[languid glacier]

guh

[amber dome]

its the same in harder mode

storage tool is not craftable

[frank sage]

What storage tool?

I remember being able to craft linker and whatever thing that locked drawlers

[amber dome]

thats not what hes talking about

[languid glacier]

No the tool from sophisticated storage not functional

To link the wireless chest controller thing

[crisp field]

Hi guys, how to automate abs? I mean if there is a recipe needs both item and fluid, can ME pattern provider insert both into the hatch and bus at the same time?

[frank flower]

use gt buffers

[crisp field]

Or do I just make tons of abs to passive every alloy

[frank flower]

also, think this question would go on the moni channel, not here

[crisp field]

Oh I forget about it

[crisp field]

Sorry mb, but thanks!

[stone pasture]

Is crude palladium power in hm supposed to be recyclable

You use 2 raw palladium powder 2 produce 1 crude powder

So you eventually run out

[shadow musk]

are you supposed to be able to circumvent this

[eternal vault]

Fixed in Dev 👍

[stone pasture]

the ratio of metallic palladium dust is 2:1, with the ratio of crude to metallic palladium in the sifter being 0.95:1

so you can't setup a loop

you will continuously have to supply crude metallic palladium from a solidifier

which renders the mixer recipe that produces palladium rich ammonia useless

from everything i can gather this is not intended

this is the gtnh recipe which it seems like this one is based off

[stone pasture]

judging by the gtnh ratio, which is about ~2:1 the moni ratio should be 2 metallic dust to 4 powders

[languid glacier]

No it's based on nomiceu

Check nomi ceu not gtnh wtf

[stone pasture]

Nomi ceu is def based off gtnh

[languid glacier]

Ok well does nomi ceu have the same recipe as moni or as gtnh

[polar iron]

i was not aware of this til now tr

[languid glacier]

lmao

[polar iron]

maybe i should go back to making people make individual issues for things lole

[languid glacier]

stop nuking recipes

[polar iron]

go tell sophstorage devs to add a config for upgrade costs and then we can talk

[languid glacier]

event.remove({output:/.*chest.*/})

we do a little trolling

[polar iron]

(we already do that)

just need to make it a bit more specific ig

[languid glacier]

how did the storage tool get hit

[polar iron]

that was tagged under removed recipes for some reason

im just gonna blame leclown

[languid glacier]

fire

[polar iron]

that being said im gonna have remake the recipes from scratch anyways cause sophstorage is stupid and doesnt like replaceinput

[solar shoal]

can i get a cape?

😭

[robust creek]

Don't ask me ask Pan or Xefyr

[solar shoal]

fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

@eternal vault

[robust creek]

Also wrong thread tr

[eternal vault]

I’m also the wrong person to ask, ask Pan

[frank sage]

https://tenor.com/view/directions-roundabout-turning-sipsons-lost-gif-20075150

[stone pasture]

Ill have to check but I'm pretty sure the ratio is wrong since you can't sustain a loop without continually solidifying palladium enriched ammonia

[languid glacier]

well.... check nomi ceu

[stone pasture]

Yeah I will im not at my PC rn

Eating tacos!

[languid glacier]

yum

[fading gorge]

why does the eu/t in the gui and tooltip not match?

my turbine is a lie

i thought i was making iv power but i was making like 1.3 amps hv

[worthy haven]

???

Surface rock go home you're drunk

[hardy hornet]

pretty sure that means your ores are in the roof actually

[languid glacier]

no thats normal

[worthy haven]

That makes sense. I dug up and the vein was, indeed, upward

[hearty nebula]

just making sure, pretty sure this is on purpose but checking

(the hopper cannot send anything into the primitive blast furnace, and the hopper minecart doesn't work either)

[languid glacier]

I think ur not supposed to be able to automate them

it has no input side

coke oven allowed it for a bit but it got fixed

[uneven frigate]

pbfs are not automatable yes

[uneven frigate]

(no it didnt)

[languid glacier]

wdym

yea it did I thought

was bugged

[uneven frigate]

it got reverted

bc it also ended up breaking the coke oven hatches

so now you can use the controller block too

for coke ovens

i disabled it for pbfs

[eternal vault]

It's either fixed in 0.9.5 or dev, I don't remember which :V

[velvet gyro]

ohhh I see

[languid glacier]

its fixed in 0.9.5 iirc?

[round tinsel]

HV Energy Hatch Quest only shows dependencies as HV Machine Hulls -> HV Assembler, even though it requires a Cleanroom to produce for the LPIC's

[stone pasture]

@languid glacier looks like the recipe is the same in nomi hm

[languid glacier]

working as intended

[stone pasture]

that....that doesn't make sense tho

[languid glacier]

yea I dont think its supposed to full loop

[stone pasture]

then why does the mixer recipe even exist

[languid glacier]

clueless

idk

ask nomi ceu devs

or ce even idk how far it goes

[stone pasture]

im like 99% sure its based off of the gtnh recipe which is supposed to full loop with the mixer recipe being used to convert excess palladium metallic dust to palladium rich ammonia

[eternal vault]

I’m looking at it rn too lmao
What should it be, then?

[stone pasture]

from what it looks like, the intended recipe is supposed to produce a surplus of palladium metallic dust

which you then convert into ammonia

the GTNH recipe is 9 palladium metallic dust to 16 crude palladium dust

which is then sifted

[stone pasture]

@eternal vault this is the gtnh one

it looks like it might be intended, but it's definitely weird

from the gtnh wiki

[eternal vault]

So I'll be changing the LCR recipe from
2 Palladium Metallic Dust -> 3 Crude Palladium dust
into
2 Palladium Metallic Dust -> 4 Crude Palladium dust?

[stone pasture]

right now it only makes one dust

it's 2 metallic dust to 1 crude and 3 raw rn

the crude gets reprocessed back into metallic dust at a 1:.95 ratio in the sifter

I messed with the ratio in my world

1:3 is the smallest ratio that produces a surplus

(since the sifter only has a 95% return rate)

[eternal vault]

Wouldn't it be 1:2 that has the minimum for a surplus? since the two crude combined produce > 1 metallic on average, each of which can produce more crude

[stone pasture]

sorry, meant to say 2:3

2:2 would be breakeven except the sifter isn't a guaranteed return

so your system would eventually stall

[eternal vault]

yeye
OK, will do that plus another recipe fix

Actually, how much raw Palladium dust should it give
1 or 2? isn't 3 alot

[stone pasture]

currently the recipe consumes 2, so you could decrease the current consumption to 1 and have it give 2

or keep it at 2 and have it give 3

[eternal vault]

yeah but doesn't the gtnh recipe give 2 raw per 9 metallic

well this isn't GTNH lol

[stone pasture]

nono it gives 16

or wai

you mean the stuff that actually gets processed further right?

[eternal vault]

yes

[stone pasture]

i'm not sure what the overall ratio from ore : dust is tho for gtnh

[eternal vault]

the recipe gives both raw and crude
crude gets reprocessed into metallic
Raw gets refined into actual palladium

[stone pasture]

yea

lemme use emi to see what the ratio is

[eternal vault]

I think the GTNH recipe takes 9 metallic and makes 16 crude and 2 raw

[stone pasture]

yeah, but im looking at the overall ratio of ore to dust

excluding crude looping, the current ratio of PGS dust to palladium dust in hm is 2:1

which seems fair

[eternal vault]

In NM it's 10:1 💀
Moreover, the Purified Sheldonite Ore -> Palladium Dust recipe ratios are 1:2 in HM, but 5:2 in Normal
yeah I'm making the recipe give 1 raw, screw it

Nomi devs probably got the palladium dusts mixed up and switched the numbers

[stone pasture]

thats probably fair considering that looping boosts production significantly

going from 3 to 1 is fine

as long as ammonia stays looped

[eternal vault]

Yep - it should all be changed as you describe in https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/commit/00ffa76cc64bfc5055276714e8f33df3223dd6bf

[stone pasture]

correct me if im wrong but crude_palladium_raw_dust isn't a think afaik

[eternal vault]

goddamnit, the one time I forget to test 💀
fixed it

[frank flower]

shd i report this to gtceu?

[stone pasture]

No, hardmode platline is custom

[weak lily]

the durene to nametoolongium in the chem reactor is present twice

actually it is in the LCR too

with 0 differences

also what in the fuck is the kapton K that comes from it?

[warm geyser]

electrical tape

[weak lily]

never knew that name huh

cool

[warm geyser]

used for the vanilla space suit recipe

this pack changes it afaik

[weak lily]

yeah it's easier in this pack, by quite the landslide too

[frank sage]

Is Primitive Coke Oven supposed to not be able to cook coke out of coal dust?

[fair drum]

is this intended?

even at uhv its 104000 seconds

[eternal vault]

Also, for the Angel ring is it intended to take two T3 EIO jetpacks and two T2 EIO jetpacks, as opposed to two T3 EIO jetpacks and two T3 Thermal jetpacks?

[weak lily]

what about perfect OC?

[wind belfry]

it doesnt tho

[amber dome]

I was wondering that too. I don't think so since the quests are not setup like that

[weak lily]

oh the multiblock lathe cant?

[fair drum]

nope

[amber dome]

angel ring quest requires enderium jetpack

but not the item

[fair drum]

I'm pretty sure on one of the changelogs the angel ring recipe got made easier

so its more than likely intended

[eternal vault]

yeah but it also requires 2 EIO jetpacks and 2 more of the crafting recipe nested into them? it's weird

fuckit
@polar iron

This is also an issue in #556 opened by yours truly

[junior patio]

Monifactory Issue Tracker

Issue #556

[Bug]: Iron Jetpacks inconsistencies

Created

<t:1724212200:D>

Status

Open

[delicate pasture]

is it intended that you can only make manyllyn ingots via extracting the dust and then solidifying

[primal widget]

why is Distillation Tower so early in the QB if you need EV circuits for it?

[potent widget]

the vibrant capacitor bank only store twice as much energy as the advanced version, not 4 times

[round tinsel]

Distillation tower doesn't need EV circuits, it's possible to build with HV and lower materials. I actually did that just last night

Unless this changed in 0.9.6

[supple blaze]

its obscenely useful

[white lodge]

is this intended? arent cables made in the assembler only suposed to cost 35mb of rubber?

[potent widget]

its always 144 of normal rubber, the other rubber you get later is cheaper

as you can see in the other pages

[white lodge]

cant belive i have been reading emi wrong all this time...

[primal widget]

What do you mean? There are EV circuits as requirement

[round tinsel]

is this for hard mode or something? This is the recipe i see

[amber dome]

yeah thats the harder mode recipe

the quests are not very accurate for harder mode

[inner sierra]

I knew something was off when I made my distillation towers today but didn’t know what exactly

[weak lily]

36mb is for styrene butadiene rubber

[white lodge]

Yep

[woeful magnet]

Do recipes on hard mode have increased voltage tier requirements? Can't electrolyze clay dust to get aluminum due to it being MV\

[hearty nebula]

was it not that on normal mode? Anyways what you do in this case is go get sapphire blue/green, there are huge deposits of it, and then electrolyze that for the aluminium

I swear that's the same in normal but maybe not, anyways it's really not hard

[vernal pulsar]

qb asks for 15 microverse casings; basic projector needs 16

[frank flower]

it is mv by default - think moni buffed it by lowering down to lv at normal mode

[vernal pulsar]

matter processor assembly is not in #gtceu:circuits/uv or #gtceu:circuits

[languid glacier]

yeah probably none of the custom circuits are if that isnt

[vernal pulsar]

nope it's just that one

found the problem

[languid glacier]

LOOL

nice

[vernal pulsar]

"what tier is your circuit?"
"uh"

[languid glacier]

questioning tier rn

tier dysphoria

[vernal pulsar]

kross said once not to use ender fluid covers: #monifactory message
are they intended to be used in the modpack?
if not, then their quest (and/or functionality) should be removed

[zenith condor]

kross000

ender fluid covers do not work

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[eternal vault]

#monifactory message

[zenith condor]

omegacubed

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[woeful magnet]

Legend. Ty

[burnt vapor]

Is the new "The Beginning" quest page supposed to have no lines or connections? Looks very odd with bubbles randomly placed

[languid glacier]

uh definitely is

[delicate pasture]

mine also has no lines but i chalked it up to the book being weird post update and me being too lazy to do the profile thing

wait no

the factory looks like this

and i have the beginning which is exactly the same but with lines

and it has the quests completed

[burnt vapor]

Notes: I'm playing on a server on a team with two other people. We just updated from 0.9.5. Its the same for everyone

Also our "The Factory" is fine?

[delicate pasture]

thats weird mine is reversed from that

also on a server

[burnt vapor]

I dunno if progress matters but we are almost done with the pack lol. So we have a ton of completed quests.

[languid glacier]

lol this happened to alot of people

[delicate pasture]

im assuming i have to do the new instance thing ive just been lazy and ignoring it

Wrench doesnt mine omnic coil blocks

[eternal vault]

No, that’s me only applying the tag to casings :V
I’ll get it done at some point

[delicate pasture]

🫡

extremely super minor just thought id note it

[eternal vault]

It’s minor things like this that shift public perception from “one of many issues in a buggy pack” to “a one-off problem that’ll be solved soon enough”

[glass spear]

this liquid redstone recipe only accepts Redstone Ore, instead of forge:ores/redstone. intended?

(it's really a rhodochrosite recipe, I'm just using it for bulk liquid redstone atm)

[weak lily]

shouldnt fission fusion and maybe even microverse be in the second category

[gleaming cradle]

Naquadah processing quest requires all three tasks to complete despite the quest saying only one is required

[alpine crest]

I feel that quest breaks when adding mods to pack. and the mods I added where the one suggested in the github

[wind belfry]

Didnt add any mods and was the same for me

[languid glacier]

Adding mods should not break anything unless you did something dumb, send a log maybe

[alpine crest]

I think it s changing to hardmode that may have broke the quest

[languid glacier]

oh

[gleaming cradle]

The exotic material catalyst isn't centered in the crafting recipe for omnium.

[delicate pasture]

its a shapeless recipe

[vernal pulsar]

yeah but ocd

main menu still says 0.9.6 is the latest version

[languid glacier]

funny

[gleaming cradle]

fair

[vernal pulsar]

is the "deep learner" curios slot supposed to exist or is that a relic from DML?

[hidden ermine]

Supposed to exist i believe. In other packs with HNN, you use it to put the Deep Learner gadget (in this pack it's somewhat disabled? Due to disabled mob attunement)

[delicate pasture]

i dont believe these actually cost a heart of the universe to craft

but holy shit are they expensive

[delicate pasture]

im full of shit actually

forgot about the wafers

[round tinsel]

i put the wrong recipe for my T5 circuits and thought i needed RTM Alloy coils were needed to make them

[inner sierra]

Rtm coils are needed for abs

But circuits I don’t think so

Epoxy it should be

[inner sierra]

my game is reliablyy crashing when I place that cable idk why

green is sifter subnet

im on ver 9.5 im updating rn to see if that fixes it

still crashing

https://bytebin.lucko.me/v1aCbNpPJJ

[eternal vault]

Update to latest MAE2?

[inner sierra]

its using the latest one it says

is it because of the eu p2p?

now its crashing before I can get in 😦

[eternal vault]

Well it looks like it is the result of some interaction between AE2 energy acceptor and GTCEu converter?
Maybe add a Capacitor bank between every pair of those

[inner sierra]

i have a energy acceptor on the cable coming out from the combustion engines powering my ore proc

[eternal vault]

Put a cap bank between them, then?

[inner sierra]

ill try once I have located the backup that lets me get in

looks like its running now but im still scared

[crude basalt]

Is it intended that each tier conveyor cost as much silicone rubber as it costs classic rubber in the assembler ?

[fiery jetty]

Is it normal that the Super Tank (I) can not hold Hydrogen Sulfide but the Stainless Steel Drum can?

[delicate pasture]

There's no 16a UHV hatch. Was curious if this was intentional? I see this issue (https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/issues/542) but no comment on if its intentional or not

[spark tapir]

Wtf is nm voltage?

[hidden ermine]

Supposedly normal mode

[spark tapir]

Those are like for higher tiers and usually cheaper to make in mid and late game

[delicate pasture]

feel like the quintessence infuser should have a quest

[delicate pasture]

weird gap between enderium blocks and atomic casings

[vernal pulsar]

%t hydrogen says a way to obtain it is mixing sodium with water
that recipe doesn't exist - did moni remove or gtm issue?

[zenith condor]

Hydrogen is best being produced by splitting methane (or, at least, mixing sodium with water).
Oxygen is best being produced via cryogenic air distillation (or centrifuging silicon dioxide, see chart below).

https://i.imgur.com/g0Z7wsL.png

[eternal vault]

You can check if it's a Moni or GTM issue yourself if you make a new instance with just GTM and JEI 👍

[uneven frigate]

removed bc OP

do not take lev tags as bible, many of them are for older 1.12 interactions/recipes

[weak lily]

(tho mixing ghast tears with water and electrolizing the salt water is pretty comparable)

[candid echo]

I think the recipe for tetraethyllead dupes lead: 2 lead + 2 sodium -> 4 PbNa alloy, 4 PbNa + chloroethane -> 3 lead dust + 1 lead in the tetraethyllead, resulting in 2 magic lead

[velvet gyro]

lead loop

[delicate pasture]

infinity tools dont consume the ultimate tools used to craft

this is probably some weirdness with gt tools not getting consumed

[gleaming cradle]

Quest for Network Hub requires a optical data transmission hatch but the multiblock itself uses a Computation data transmission hatch

[stone pasture]

is this intended?

crafting table components only need zpm circuits whereas assembler ones require much higher tier circuits

it kinda negates the whole "cheaper" partr

[devout tree]

I just upgraded from 0.9.7 to 0.9.8 (both server and client) and JEI recipe crafting to inventory broke when crafting in a crafting station with connected chest. I noticed the Crafting Station mod was reverted from version 1.20.1-1 (craftingstation-1.20.1-1.jar) in 0.9.7 to 0 (Crafting Station-forge-1.20.1-0.jar) in 0.9.8.

When I manually changed back to Crafting Station version 1.20.1-1 (both server and client) everything began working again.

[eternal vault]

Maybe try updating to 0.9.9

[eternal vault]

No, the assembler recipe is the intended one
Crafting table was in an entirely different section in the long-ass file so I missed it 😭

[stone pasture]

thats kinda painful ngl

1 uev circuit per

😭

and they take 16 of the previous

[eternal vault]

I think the "take 16" part isn't intended tbh
Someone probably changed it for Monium mainframes not realizing it affected the other UEV+ mainframes

[stone pasture]

yeah i'd imagine so. maybe its okay in nm with tank

[eternal vault]

no the recipes are the same across modes

[stone pasture]

im aware, im just saying like infinite fluids means resource costs arent nearly as much of a concern

looks like the loss of mae2 recipes is an mae2 thing, not a moni issue

the actual code excludes the co processor recipes, presumably the recipe tag structure was changed when mae2 updated from 1.4.1 to 1.4.3

[gleaming cradle]

Is it intended that the Larger co-processing units no longer have a crafting recipe?

[eternal vault]

no, MAE2 just made a whoopsie with the latest release :V

update to latest should fix it

or moni dev, that works too

[gleaming cradle]

gotcha, thanks

[golden tide]

Why are the gregtech recipes for AE2 parts (printed silicon, processors, etc.) locked behind IV?

[potent python]

Query: Is the lack of a recipe for the Ultra High Voltage Transformer (UHV 4A to UEV 1A) intended, or an issue I should report to GTM github? It's used in the UHV 16A energy hatch

[stone pasture]

yeah im having this issue too

[muted lantern]

When you are interacting with a furnace and use the "sort inventory" button it will automatically clear your hotbar and include it in the inventory sorting action, which is kinda annoying. Is this supposed to be like this?

[crude basalt]

Is it intended that vibrant alloy is liquid pulsating iron and emerald in autoclave ?

[spark tapir]

no

wt

f

[weak lily]

CTM texture issue?

(HSS-G coils)

[warm geyser]

No

Its supposed to look like that

If you stack them on each other

It just doesn't translate into a top down view

[weak lily]

i mean the fact that it happens on one axis and not the other
that's top down

[warm geyser]

look at the texture on a vertical wall

that'll give you a clue

[cursive moat]

We are not on 0.9.10 yet, and I could have missed the fix, but I have noticed that Moon ores are not ore dictionaried. Moon Scheelite, Tetrahedrite and Stibnite won't process

[weak lily]

multiblock preview has an input hatch on the large extraction machine

[silver heath]

I got a notification for unlocking not NM when I logged in, I'm in NM btw.

[weak lily]

same

[inner sierra]

the blue naquadah processing diagram is different to what it actually does

[glass spear]

loot superfabricator produces 1/4 the dragon scales the base loot fab does. intended?

[spark tapir]

probably not

[glass spear]

I'm asking for an answer, not a "probably" 😛

[spark tapir]

no i dont think so

[delicate pasture]

every other one has parity

make an issue on the github

[weak lily]

why is the exotic materials catalyst not centered and PLEASE tell me that's not intended

[amber dome]

I think the recipe is shapeless?

[gleaming cradle]

Is it intended that the UHV 4x transformer does not have a recipe?

Actually scratch that no 4x transformer past UV can be crafted

[spark tapir]

It is

[weak lily]

ok but the preview is always the same

and i know nobody cares but me

but the autism is strong on this one

[amber dome]

yeah but the point is that its probably auto generated by EMI

since its shapeless

[vernal pulsar]

it used to be centered though
something must've changed it at some point

and i don't think it's autogenerated because the elements are in order

[weak lily]

yeah

im looking for the script

    event.recipes.extendedcrafting.shapeless_table(
        'kubejs:mote_of_omnium', [
            'gtceu:tiny_nether_star_dust',
            'kubejs:solidified_hydrogen',
            'kubejs:solidified_helium',
            'gtceu:lithium_dust',
            'gtceu:beryllium_ingot',
            'gtceu:boron_dust',
            'gtceu:carbon_dust',
            'kubejs:solidified_nitrogen',
            'gtceu:tiny_nether_star_dust',
            'kubejs:solidified_oxygen',
            'kubejs:solidified_fluorine',
            'kubejs:solidified_neon',
            'gtceu:sodium_dust',
            'gtceu:magnesium_dust',
            'gtceu:aluminium_ingot',
            'gtceu:silicon_dust',
            'gtceu:phosphorus_dust',
            'gtceu:sulfur_dust',
            'kubejs:solidified_chlorine',
            'kubejs:solidified_argon',
            'gtceu:potassium_dust',
            'gtceu:calcium_dust',
            'gtceu:titanium_ingot',
            'gtceu:vanadium_ingot',
            'gtceu:chromium_ingot',
            'gtceu:manganese_ingot',
            'iron_ingot',
            'gtceu:cobalt_ingot',
            'gtceu:nickel_ingot',
            'copper_ingot',
            'gtceu:zinc_ingot',
            'gtceu:gallium_ingot',
            'gtceu:arsenic_dust',
            'kubejs:solidified_bromine',
            'kubejs:solidified_krypton',
            'gtceu:yttrium_ingot',
            'gtceu:niobium_ingot',
            'gtceu:molybdenum_ingot',
            'gtceu:ruthenium_ingot',
            'gtceu:rhodium_ingot',
            'gtceu:palladium_ingot',
            'kubejs:exotic_materials_catalyst',
            'gtceu:silver_ingot',
            'gtceu:cadmium_dust',
            'gtceu:indium_ingot',
            'gtceu:tin_ingot',
            'gtceu:antimony_ingot',
            'kubejs:solidified_xenon',
            'gtceu:caesium_dust',
            'gtceu:barium_dust',
            'gtceu:lanthanum_dust',
            'gtceu:cerium_dust',
            'gtceu:neodymium_ingot',
            'gtceu:samarium_ingot',
            'gtceu:europium_ingot',
            'gtceu:lutetium_ingot',
            'gtceu:tantalum_ingot',
            'gtceu:tungsten_ingot',
            'gtceu:osmium_ingot',
            'gtceu:iridium_ingot',
            'gtceu:platinum_ingot',
            'gold_ingot',
            'kubejs:solidified_mercury',
            'gtceu:lead_ingot',
            'kubejs:solidified_radon',
            'gtceu:thorium_ingot',
            'kubejs:stabilized_uranium',
            'kubejs:stabilized_neptunium',
            'kubejs:stabilized_plutonium',
            'gtceu:americium_ingot',
            'kubejs:stabilized_curium',
            'kubejs:stabilized_berkelium',
            'gtceu:tiny_nether_star_dust',
            'kubejs:stabilized_californium',
            'kubejs:stabilized_einsteinium',
            'gtceu:darmstadtium_ingot',
            'gtceu:tritanium_ingot',
            'gtceu:duranium_ingot',
            'gtceu:trinium_ingot',
            'gtceu:naquadah_ingot',
            'gtceu:tiny_nether_star_dust',
        ]
    ).id('kubejs:extended/mote_of_omnium')

i am willing to bet this order is the order EMI used

if i knew how to make PRs on other's projects i would

[vernal pulsar]

i'll do it for you

testing it on my game first

it worked! :D

[vernal pulsar]

@weak lily #1004
there you go

[junior patio]

Monifactory Issue Tracker

Issue #1004

fix omnium recipe

Created

<t:1729624453:D>

Status

Open

[weak lily]

thx bro

apreciate it

[crude basalt]

pbi recipe in iv chemical reactor gives 1008mB of PBI ?

[wicked chasm]

1008 = 7*144, so intended

[crude basalt]

Why 7 ?

[uneven frigate]

closest to 1000

[crude basalt]

Ok so i doesnt make sense, ur just messing with me

[uneven frigate]

ok so basically the chemistry should make 1000

but you're usually making sheets from it which are 144

so instead of leave you 8 short of another sheet

we give you 8 mB free

so that you have an even 7 sheets

[gleaming cradle]

@uneven frigate Did you see the question about UHV+ transformers?

[uneven frigate]

what

oh uhv? yeah we dont generate recipes for those

we only do up to UV

bc UV transformers transform UV to UHV

and UHV is the limit of what we have content for

ask xefyr to add

[vernal pulsar]

Radon Salt has item id radium_salt; which is correct?

[gleaming cradle]

Gotcha, Thanks.

@eternal vault Would you be willing to add recipes for UHV+ 4X transformers so that higher tier energy/dynamo hatches can be made?

[inner sierra]

shouldnt it use 2x more power?

[uneven frigate]

No, fusion reactors do 2x/2x overclocking

see the tooltip

[inner sierra]

right

mb

[uneven frigate]

we have no way to do that with our recipe widget since its fixed for the regular types of OCing

all good

[inner sierra]

its 2am and I actually read it but brain not braining anymore

theres no regulation for plasma right?

atleast not in modern

[uneven frigate]

no regulation for plasma?

how do you mean

[inner sierra]

on the gtnh wiki it talks about optimal flow

but thats nh and not modern

[uneven frigate]

oh no

[vernal pulsar]

petition to make the pasteurized milk recipe not consume the stainless steel plates

also, marshmallows (and by extension s'mores) are gated behind sterile cleanroom because of GT gelatin
would it be possible to make an alternate recipe for NC:N gelatin?

[hearty nebula]

the heck? is this intentional? In playthrough, have tons of requesters built but can't make any more until LuV?

y...
I mean you can do the same thing with the storage bus/interface + crafting card spam so why...

[eternal vault]

It’s intentional.

%t requester

[zenith condor]

pansmith

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[hearty nebula]

awww. I mean ok I was ordering rocket fuel made on demand through a single chemical reactor per circuit card but still.

[strong pulsar]

The hyperlink in this quest takes you to progression tab not processing lines tab

[atomic pumice]

Robot arms regardless of tier always keep only one item supplied if they have a filter.

[warm geyser]

scroll on the item in the filter

[weak lily]

||bad nerf imo||

[hearty nebula]

supply exact is almost always wrong, keep exact is right. for example the use case you are showing, that's a keep exact.

[untold dagger]

Is breaking ME conduit with 3x3 hammer and getting back ony 1 conduit intentional or not?

[polar iron]

The idea of making ae2 unable to have fluids as a output in patterns was tossed around (would allow you to still have the niceties of fluidcrafting, but also prevents fluidlines from being cheesed)

Cause yeah requesters arnt the true issue at hand, just moreso being able to completely ignore passiving

From what I hear gtnh is also having the same issue, so I'm interested to see how they resolve it

Granted above may be the best option

Can think of a bunch of usecases for having fluid as a input (coating wires, machine hulls, assline, tin/sa, etc) but not too many usecases for fluid as a output that doesn't related to cheesing lines in some way lol

[gleaming cradle]

The only thing that I have to counter that is how many one off or single use fluids that get made in chemical reactors that you simply don't need enough of to justify a passive line. But I get the frustration of people skipping large chucks of a game you designed.

[polar iron]

Tbh it's less about "boo hoo my lines" and moreso just patternspam is boring

If a line skip existed that required some ingenuity and creativity, I wouldn't mind as much

But frankly just patterning everything just isn't fun

[weak lily]

i kinda hate that because of the abs but eh, i can just use the tag export bus even though i hate the idea

[polar iron]

Could just have the pattern output the ingot instead

[weak lily]

yeah i know

[polar iron]

And pipe the abs output directly to a vf

[weak lily]

but i've been making a pattern for the hot and one of the vf since i started having to use the vf

though it's not the biggest deal

[polar iron]

Should just pipe directly into the VF, saves computing time and is faster

[weak lily]

im trying to think of something with fluids that this would fuck up but i cant see one rn

[polar iron]

Yeah

[weak lily]

not possible with my setup from an aesthetic standpoint, but no matter

[polar iron]

Enderchest to a vf elsewhere idk

But anyways

Yeah I can't think of a usecase for fluids in output

That isn't just cheese or related to it

[weak lily]

for the longest time i had rubber patterned but that's not a huge loss

not the complex rubbers, normal rubber

i think a big part of paterns being so good is level emitters being gated by stainless

if you just learnt with them from the get go, it would be simpler

[gleaming cradle]

only one that comes to mind is fusions. And even if you remove that you could just create patterns that input into a line of machines that extract -> put into fusions -> solidify.

Also for things like PBI if you left the fluids in input you could just have a pattern that inserts all the necessary shit into a line that then makes it. There are a tone of work arounds if fluids are allowed anywhere in the pattern terminal.

[weak lily]

honestly with the energy cost of starting up fusion, i think that just having every fusion reactor you make be a 24/7 is the best solution, but eh, that might get very extreme

[polar iron]

Fusion patterning is dumb so I'm fine with that

[weak lily]

agree

[polar iron]

Goes against the whole idea of fusion

[weak lily]

starting up fusion every time you want to make a fusion is so stupid i dont get it

[polar iron]

"Why do I never have any energy?"

[gleaming cradle]

Its me I am the dumb. I was scared of running out of arsenic.

[weak lily]

fair

[polar iron]

lul

[weak lily]

but automate mms at this point

[polar iron]

^

[gleaming cradle]

Oh bud way ahead of you this was pre tank

[polar iron]

It's an automation pack, after all tr

But yeah can't really see a good usecase for fluid outputs in patterns

That may be the answer

[weak lily]

yeah
cant you just get arsenic from tank post tank?

[gleaming cradle]

no surprisingly you can't turn arsenic vapor bacK into arsenic.

also this should probably go back to general chat

[weak lily]

my momma a hoe if there's nothing you cant electrolyze into arse

true

[polar iron]

I suppose one could papertrick around it, but it gets to the point it's just slow and unwieldy

[weak lily]

actually
sodium potassium is something that would be slightly annoying

[supple blaze]

my only addition is that i don’t want to passive primal mana just on demand melt it

[weak lily]

cause i dont want to passive every fluid like that that has like 1 use in crafting machines

[polar iron]

lo

[supple blaze]

yeah that and melting polymers on demand is super fast and is nice to have

[weak lily]

i keep polymers liquid

i solidify them on demand

[polar iron]

Just keep em liquid

[supple blaze]

i solidify since it’s faster to melt than solidify

[polar iron]

Or, get this

[weak lily]

eh not a huge loss

[supple blaze]

and occasionally use the sheets

[polar iron]

You could passive it

[weak lily]

[supple blaze]

i have all polymers on passive they just get auto solidified

as a pref

[gleaming cradle]

Fun fact I made a super tank of PVC and PE in MV and then turned the system off once it hit petro chem. I never redesigned it but only used about 1K buckets each.

[weak lily]

i have pet and pvc patterned

[polar iron]

fun gameplay

[weak lily]

wwait no not pvc

only pet

in all honesty the true solution has been here forever but is probably something you just cant do

reenabling channels

[polar iron]

Remove fc?

e: oh

[polar iron]

How would that change anything?

[weak lily]

it makes pattern providers have a cost

[gleaming cradle]

The only thing that does is make setups more awkward and ugly

does not change gameplay except for needing to make more AE2 stuff

[weak lily]

passive setups use a lot less channels

[gleaming cradle]

Again the brain off resistance to this is "lol just make more"

[polar iron]

"Man, this channel system sure is a puzzle, if only there was a completely intended way to make it completely irrelevant!"

The lowly p2p:

[weak lily]

fair but the goal aint really to make it impossible
just to make it less convenient than passive

people do it cause it's easy

[polar iron]

ig, but yeah p2p spam is also ez

[weak lily]

true though i keep having weird issues with them

i litterally logged off today cause i was frustrated at a p2p tunnel that kept saying "no channels"

(i dont have channels enabled)

[polar iron]

ig one could also look at tweaking cpu cost values for recipes that use fluids

[weak lily]

oh yeah also just like
reverting fluid cells to 5 types

[polar iron]

Nah just slap down another drive

[gleaming cradle]

Pan at this point we're just splitting hairs. People will find workarounds for intended game design and even if you flawlessly prevent it the world will just make a lazier idiot. I think its just better to reward for passiving things rather that punishing for not.

[weak lily]

once again that's a thing of convenience

[supple blaze]

i like this sorta since 18 seems op or make cheaper cells only have 5 types up to like 16k

[weak lily]

the goal isnt to make a bad approache impossible
just to make it not worth it

[supple blaze]

then 64+ have more

[polar iron]

Well yeah lol, just a matter of making it more annoying then doing it correctly lol

[supple blaze]

or make fluids take a disproportionate amount of crafting storage

[polar iron]

People will jank, such is life

[weak lily]

like sure i can beat the pack without ae2
i think that's not the design goal
but i wont cause it would suck

[gleaming cradle]

Again people have very different definitions of annoying. So invoke the meme

[weak lily]

lmao

[polar iron]

Tbh I think just barring fluids from being in a pattern output slot would do the trick

Keep it simple, ya know

[supple blaze]

this reminds me of the guy who best e2e without ae2

[weak lily]

anyways going back to my anime good luck gamers

[polar iron]

One could work around it with papertrick hell but at that point, would just be quicker to slap down the line and be done with it lol

[supple blaze]

i SHOULD be paying attention in class but nah

junior level classes are boring

like just give me my bachelors already

[uneven frigate]

mfw i don't passive all the dye colors

[supple blaze]

paper trick is jank but also not worth setting up THST many different ones

who wants to paper trick 15 fluids

[polar iron]

Isn't dye just (color of dye) plus a fluid

[gleaming cradle]

Ok yeah bumping the fuck out of this. Unless theres a better power gen option past ECEs for normal mode blue lenses will be pure hell

[gleaming cradle]

salt, dye, sulfuric acid.

[supple blaze]

is blue the only one worth patterning

[uneven frigate]

you have to use fluid dye to make lenses

[supple blaze]

since i’m about to spring for solars

[gleaming cradle]

For solars yeah you need a ton.

[supple blaze]

pan do you remember the guy the other day who did like full petrochem on like 2 lcrs and one requester

[polar iron]

no but I'm not surprised

[uneven frigate]

xefyr did you see my reply to your fluid veins

[eternal vault]

We could just change the recipe for those in the same update that it happens though 🤷

[supple blaze]

the requester is 🤦

[uneven frigate]

did it work

[eternal vault]

Didn’t have time to test it yet

[polar iron]

This

And tbh it doesnt seem that bad to passive as is lole

[gleaming cradle]

Oh pan I sent you a message about a game breaking thing.

[eternal vault]

Yeah TBH preventing fluids from being a pattern product definitely sounds better than my crackpot idea of removing crafting housing recipe and giving it out as a quest reward

[polar iron]

Lol

Keep it simple, ya know

[eternal vault]

Can’t pattern everything if you don’t have the computer to pull it off

[supple blaze]

crafting housing is now $15 monidollars

[polar iron]

ig could also crank up the cpu costs for fluid recipes to further discourage it

[supple blaze]

how are the gtnh devs proposing a fix

[polar iron]

Not enough to effect people just slapping rubber on wires, but enough to hurt those that would try to papertrick PE

[eternal vault]

The main con of this idea is that it would require a fork of AE2 to pull of since there’s no config for any of these ideas (I checked)

[polar iron]

Yeah it would

[eternal vault]

And at that point ya may as well fix

%t AE2dropped

[polar iron]

Could take the chance to fix the creative crll

[zenith condor]

List of things on 1.20.1 that AE2 would need a backport or fork for:

• Tag support in Processing Line recipes
• Fix for gamebreaking Creative Fluid disk bug
• EMI recipe tree compatibility

[polar iron]

Yeah

[polar iron]

👍 I'll take a look

Prob got voided by msg requests

Fucking hate that "feature"

Yep it did

But yeah @eternal vault perhaps we should take another stab at doing a fork

And by "we", I mean raine

I'm not touching it

And also cause I dont want to melt my brain looming at ae2 sourcecode

[eternal vault]

I won’t be touching it or any mod dev in general. that’s my rule

If you want Raine to do it then ask before you assume it’ll happen

[polar iron]

Well yeah oc

But assuming they would agree, would be the best path forward

Assuming, anyways

[eternal vault]

Yeah it comes across as “This thing needs to get done, let’s have Raine do it”

As if you had assumed Raine were willing before confirming it with them

Same reasoning behind why creating the fork’s CF page and channel before anyone began work on it had a backlash

[polar iron]

Yeah, was prematurely excited, wasn't really thinking lol

Lesson learned and alldat

Anyways, if they are down for it, I'll just pop open a channel and leave them to their own devices like w/ mae2

@noble thicket see above

tldr, a fork of ae2 that doesn't allow fluids to be in the output slots of a pattern, in a attempt to stop the cheese of lines while also not sacrificing the benefits of fluid crafting as a whole.

(prob as a config, incase you want to expand it into a proper ae2mule down the line or whatnot)

If ur down for it, lmk and I'll set up a channel

AE2 Modern Unofficial Life Extension

[gleaming cradle]

-# please leave it as a config so i can play on baby mode

[polar iron]

You literally made this yourself

[gleaming cradle]

yeah i admit my weakness for the convenience of fluid crafting

But if the config is too annoyig to change I'll just deal

[polar iron]

I also had the alternative idea of changing how it handles cpu costs for patterns with fluids

I have zero idea of how it calculates that and I should go read the code before I talk out of my ass tr

[gleaming cradle]

honestly I like that idea And I think i saw it in another pack where 1mb = 1 byte. It would skyrocket late game crafting costs. Throw in a tier cost to CPUs (1k is steel, 4k is aluminum, 16k is stainless etc...) and it would hurt to try and get CPUs to automate passive lines.

[polar iron]

And/Or make it exponential, the guy putting rubber on his wires isn't gonna feel much of anything but the guy trying to pattern PE is gonna implode

[eternal vault]

Yeah honestly a config for CPU cost multipliers for items & fluids seems the best way to do that

[gleaming cradle]

plus tier cost for higher level CPUs

robot arms and the like.

[eternal vault]

Well that’s something that can be done (and is already done) in KJS

[polar iron]

PE guy could try to work around it by doing each step individually or only doing it in tiny amounts

But at that point just making the line is quicker

[gleaming cradle]

Also if you're an idiot and don't passive fusion stuff: europium, duranium, tritanium, darmstadium. (its me i'm the idiot)

[uneven frigate]

tbh passiving duranium is ass but again you can get around it by just sending the output straight to a solidifier

[gleaming cradle]

And the inputs straight to extractors.

[polar iron]

And requestering it wouldn't be an option cause it tries to go as deep as possible, at every step

tho ig maybe one could requester each individual step?

It would have to iterate through em constantly

[gleaming cradle]

If raine ends up deciding to do that fork they could add an exponentially scaling power draw per slot filled in a requester.

[polar iron]

Requester is an addon

But yeah I suppose

[gleaming cradle]

oh right. that complicates things.

again, limited knowledge of the modding scene, apologies

[polar iron]

It's a MIT addon, but still

Don't stress it

Anyways, yeah I suppose it possibly work

[gleaming cradle]

Appreciate you pansmith ❤️

[noble thicket]

I think I'm gonna do MULE regardless, but at this point why not just remove requesters (and crafting cards)? Most of these suggestions are basically just kneecapping requesters into uselessness, but also harming the player trying to on-demand for their own crafting requests (don't know I feel about player on-demanding even, but I can see a use for patterning early stuff in a tier so they can efficiently get to the better recipes). Like is there some reason we want the requester to stick around to run the simplest recipes? At that point it's not that hard for players to just set up a passive line or whaterver

[gleaming cradle]

The main point of the discussion seemed to be that Pansmith wanted setting up passive processing lines to be the most efficient way to do basically everything but maintaining requesters for the intended purpose of keeping circuits in stock. The main pushback to this was things like dyes that aren't needed in large amounts.

[uneven frigate]

just disable crafting cpus

no autocrafting on demand

[noble thicket]

are circuits really that much more difficult to stock then anything else? Like just git gud and make more machines (or make a setup that makes it trivial to add new recipes to the same machines)

[uneven frigate]

circuits are just annoying to passive because they have a super nested crafting tree
also as everyone likes to remind me, covers and pipes in gt are "useless" so sometimes stocking a circuit assembler without having it overflow doesn't always work perfectly

[noble thicket]

GregTech should just be better then

[uneven frigate]

honestly with how bad the mod is i think pan should just remove it from the pack

it doesn't really add anything

and all of its features seem to be jank

[noble thicket]

Moni's still in beta so I think it's okay to just switch to Fabric for MI

[uneven frigate]

true

[polar iron]

We kinda realized that the actual issue at hand is just FC allowing for completely bypassing setting up fluidlines with minimal effort and that it should just be directly addressed instead.

If this happened, would prob couple it with a reversion of the requester recipe

[polar iron]

Should only take an afternoon

[hidden ermine]

Is it intended that the recipe for diamond -> carbon dust inside Electrolyzer got removed in latest version?

false alarm

[indigo rampart]

just making sure, for Ancient Debris, it's intended there's no Stabilized miner recipe for it? since normal mode also spams this I assume

[weak lily]

hastelloy X frames dont see to correctly get dug by wrenches and pickaxes

[amber dome]

Hi

The only fluid I can think of that would be annoying to not be able to craft is sodium potassium

Most of the other one offs can be solved with an extractor + assembler combo pattern provider like we used to use

Some chemical bath recipes might be annoying too like eyes of ender

[plucky zodiac]

As long as it’s configurable I’m cool. But with the way I build it’s more enjoyable for me the way it currently is.

[inner sierra]

If making the line was quicker that would already make it alot more attractive to do. I’ve built alot of lines to passive and it’s sad how slow it is compared to just making 2 multis with a parallel hatch

[hearty nebula]

https://github.com/GregTechCEu/GregTech-Modern/issues/2248 discovered that LCE (large combustion engines) are 16x more efficient than shown in EMI. Not sure if intentional or not. 34x is a lot.

[plucky zodiac]

known issue already, think its fixed in next gtm version

[warm geyser]

Not intentional

[warm geyser]

Yeh i think so

[hollow girder]

Is the machine frame really supposed to cost this much in normal mode?
It's mostly used to make the sequential fabricator. The ender io crafter would be just as good an option if it didn't just stop working randomly for no reason.

[gleaming cradle]

There are two obsidian Dust recipes.

[hearty nebula]

%t pbi_hm

[zenith condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927073124086849577/1124872607993450496/PBI_Hard.png

[indigo rampart]

not sure if intended, but Helical Fusion Reactor power usage is unchanged when parallel is increased

(video shows power usage during 256x parallel, which seems to be same as how much waila shows is saying it's using)

tho with enough given fluid power usage seems more correct?

[amber dome]

It's 128x actually :3

Unless you're using Jean

[hearty nebula]

On diesel

Trying to get to solars before the nerf

[amber dome]

on everything that uses 32 eu/t generation rate

which is everything except jean

ECEs are even more absurd, being 512x more fuel efficient than intended

[hearty nebula]

When I calculated it I did it by net, wonder where I messed up. This applies to the single block gens also?

[amber dome]

This applies to the single block gens also?

Dont think so

[hearty nebula]

Guess that's why my base started running so well after switching

[cloud pawn]

diamond ore vein diagram is broken. This has probably been brought up already a lot lol

[vernal pulsar]

that's the ore vein for the moon
it's broken because gcyr isn't finished

[wicked chasm]

Argon plasma has no uses

[vocal frost]

question regarding tempad optional compat: is it intended that this tempad (whose recipe is EV-gated) can be found in End Cities (this is from the mod itself not from kubejs)? it is extremely rare but I found one while looking for a signalum backpack

the base variant costs monicoins each teleport, I think the idea is that you need EV to make it unlimited but u can actually just find it in end city

[balmy sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294775491559165992/1299802603055743147/image.png?ex=671e8701&is=671d3581&hm=65d798b04c4eda84549989c4c72b3ff6d45c4e8112486d2a06935b6989cb7c0c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294775491559165992/1299802603256811642/image.png?ex=671e8701&is=671d3581&hm=198dcf5e933694e8d20450d3f26ed60bc1f4aed963ff4e9e4b7d17311fad2d25&
the process of making tetra ethlylead has improperly balanced chemical ratios. This could be fixed by raising the input to 8 PbNa instead of 4

[vernal pulsar]

@balmy sleet #1023

let's try that again
#1023

[junior patio]

Monifactory Issue Tracker

Issue #1023

fix tetraethyllead recipe

Created

<t:1729969002:D>

Status

Open

[glass spear]

compressor recipe not only uses 1/4 the enriched sunnarium dust, but doesn't require the sunnarium plate. what's the point of the former?

[indigo rampart]

not sure if custom multi or gtm, but Universal Crystallizer doesn't seem to form with parallel hatch despite the tooltip

[rigid grail]

https://discordapp.com/channels/914926812948234260/1294775491559165992/1300155315387502654

[zenith condor]

uuqq

is auxiliary reaction chamber being gated behind mv intended? why is it placed before mv in the quest line, and why isnt there a recipe for the +100% max output, the recipe only shows the +300%

[[Jump to Message]](#moni-help message)

From #moni-help · Oct 27, 2024, 5:53 PM

[icy glacier]

theres no ctm on antiblocks it looks like it need this mod https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/fusion-connected-textures

[weak lily]

(also if that adds ctm to framed blocks which desperately need that im all for it)

[weak lily]

patterns refuse to contain EV UCs

[silver heath]

the polyethyl cyanoacrylate recipe in the LCR just adds air for no benefit, usually the LCR way should get more throughput at least

[indigo rampart]

I think it's because normal CR doesn't have 4 slots

so really CR recipe should be removed, but LCR is better recipe way for obvious reason of perfect OC for this recipe anyways

[eternal vault]

Already done in dev 👍

[torn canopy]

Completed the pack and all quests - but Genesis and End Game chapters do not complete. Bug?

[supple blaze]

enable editing and look for a hidden one maybe?

[icy glacier]

i think the defaultconfigs folder has a leftover config file from the mod gadgets against grind

[icy glacier]

thats a config option

in the framed blocks config

[weak lily]

holy shit

though i do think the config should be on by default in the modpack

[icy glacier]

change contexmode

[weak lily]

does not work either ways

[icy glacier]

what mode

[weak lily]

detailed

by default it's on full face, which should have worked too

also doesnt connect with other framed blocks if that is the question

though it COULD be an issue with chipped

[icy glacier]

does it work with slabs

[weak lily]

lemme check

[icy glacier]

because slopes is maybe hoping for too much lol

[weak lily]

nope

[icy glacier]

damn

you tried with the mod i sent last time ?

[weak lily]

forgor what that was

[icy glacier]

fusion ctm

[weak lily]

uh maybe i'd need to recheck

[inner sierra]

idk what it is today but my output buses/hatches are kinda slow. they are connected to a interface and usually that has never been unable to keep up. can i speed it up somehow?

[indigo rampart]

ME output bus

or use extended interface since they have more slots for throughput

[inner sierra]

Tried that on my lcr but didn’t change anything. I can try me but I’m not sure if it still voids if there happens to be more than 3 things being pushed into it

[indigo rampart]

Its more than 3 slots, which is why you can use it for microminer and stuff

[inner sierra]

Damn didn’t know that. It just shows 3 so I’ve been avoiding them

[round tinsel]

The Warp Engine Recipie looks correct, but if you try to encode the pattern for it, it replaces the thrusters with 'undefined thruster' by default

[polar iron]

Tbh I wonder if just remaking the thrusters in KJS (and editing applicable recipes) would be better

[round tinsel]

actually i think the recipee might not build, since it isnt working when put in the assembler. I woudl like confirmation from others about that first though

nope i just forgot to add the data stick

[stone pasture]

You can manually replace it. Iirc it's an EMI issue with handling nbt data

[polar iron]

Yeah, you can

It's the same old nbt issue that's been around for over decade

But just for gameplay flow

[brisk socket]

2 small things, but ammonia and dimethylhydrazine require an HV chemical reactor despite the questbook implying you only need MV, and you can do the easier recipe for dimethylhydrazine in a normal chemical reactor

[vernal pulsar]

the QSoC recipe for matter processors accepts liquid tin, while the other recipe does not

[vital merlin]

Is this recipe correct? That means that just for the europium of 1 motor your fusion reactor is running 345 seconds.
One assembler requires 8 motors. So the assembler takes like 45 minutes of non stop processing, and no way to speed it up.

[eternal vault]

Yes, that recipe is the same as it is in base Gregtech.
There is a way to speed it up, though, and that's to make another Fusion Reactor.
If you're struggling with Trinium, then you'll have to upgrade your Naqline - Kaemanite from Microminers and on-demand Naqline are not sufficient.

[amber dome]

Kaemanite from Microminers and on-demand Naqline are not sufficient.

[amber dome]

When I set up fusion I made one of my reactors create europium non stop

Have never had a recipe say it's missing europium and had to wait

[eternal vault]

Glad to hear it works for you.
It doesn't for most - Trinium struggles are something far too many players have complained about.
Hopefully it continues to work until you get the helical fusion reactor, and if not you know what to do.

[amber dome]

64 iridium miners translated to over 10k trinium, would need a pretty juiced naqline to get that much trinium byproduct

Mining rig abuse :3

[eternal vault]

ah, mining rig abuse would do it.
Most don't know about it, and it's not likely for that to remain a strategy for the long-term

[vernal pulsar]

since atomic reconstructor turns sand into soul sand, you can get oil from cobbleworks
base gtm does not have sand -> soul sand recipe

[amber dome]

You can get infinite oil very easily with a rig

[eager star]

noticed some weird inconsistencies between stabilized micro miners and their standard versions and I was told to report them in this thread so here goes

T2: circuit 1 yields ore in completely different proportions (notably only 1 stack of radon salt instead of 2)
    no mission for solidified neon, krypton and xenon
    no mission for dilithium ore
T3: no ancient debris + dense nether quartz ore mission
T4: circuit 1 yields only 1 compressed infinity dust block instead of 32 (who cares though lmao)
    circuit 2 yields 16 dense redstone ore instead of 32
    circuit 3 is completely different? (yields pentlandite, chalcocite and sheldonite instead of osmiridium and irisdosmine)
T4.5: circuit 4 yields an extra stack of dragon breath instead of a stack of dragon scales
T5: circuit 1 yields slightly different outputs (1 extra stack of monazite, 6 osmiridium+6 iridosmine instead of 16 osmiridium, and a stack of fluorite for some reason)
    circuit 2 yields 24 kaemanite instead of 48
    no mission for stabilized oganesson (probably intended since it's a post UV mission)
T6: circuit 1 yields completely different outputs (sheldonite instead of osmiridium, very little iridosmine)
    circuit 3 yields 32 dragon eggs instead of 64
    not a stabilized miner issue but the mission that yields 1 sculk catalyst requires impossible realm data which is unobtainable in HM
T8: circuit 2 yields a lot less dragon scales and no dragon breath (not a big deal since T6 already covers this)
T8.5: pristine matter is actualized into dulysite ore in a hyperbolic microverse projector instead of an actualization chamber
      regular T8.5 miners go in the hyperbolic projector but the stabilized T8.5 miner goes in advanced II```

[indigo rampart]

T3 ancient debris intended to be consistent with normal ye

[eager star]

yeah that seems fair to me

i'm just writing all of them down just in case some aren't intended

some of them definitely look like the outputs were tweaked at some point but the changes weren't carried over to the stabilized versions

t8.5 strikes me as weird because by the time you can actually use it at all, you can already make a stabilized version of it

oh another thing I might as well post here, the amount of lubricant needed to cut perfect gems feels abnormally high compared to flawless and exquisite gems, it's 100 mB vs 1 mB, it's not a big deal but it feels weird having to scale up your lubricant production if all you want to do is break down the extra gems you get along with your perfect diamonds instead of throwing them away

[amber dome]

Can we get an update to add the recipes for later transformer tiers?

not really sure how I'm supposed to speed up my machines past 16a UV

cant craft substation dynamo hatches or transformers

spam a bunch of active transformers?

[vernal pulsar]

random empty space in luv world accelerator recipe

[vital merlin]

Fair enough. Usually I fall into the trap of thinking I dont need thousands of <next material> after i hit LuV since I wont be upgrading that many machines anyway. Naqline is up to date. I just put the thing here because it was the first time in the pack I closed my game while I had to wait for something to finish and there wasn't anything I could do to speed it up; since getting enough materials for a reactor takes more than 45 minutes.
Not sure if you intend to hold hands at this point in the QB, but it seems something else to do would be excellent

[inner sierra]

is it intended for omnium coils to be that cheap in expert?

[lean spire]

I checked the source for GTCEu 1.12 as well, the recipe has always been available in the normal chemical reactor too. In Nomifactory it's removed via script: https://github.com/Nomi-CEu/Nomi-CEu/blob/6bbd2bd826eada4593740e344fccd21cd4651aee/overrides/scripts/Earlygame.zs#L226

[vague fossil]

Small issue that came up, I got booted because I ran out of java heap space with 3.5gb ram allocated... not sure if I should be concerned or not, and not sure how to turn this off if its necessary

I can share the whole log if its needed

[eternal vault]

1. This thread is for issues with Monifactory, not issues you’re having as a result of your setup or Java arguments. Go to #moni-help instead.
2. 3.5 GB is very small for Minecraft. You want 6-8 GB.

[vague fossil]

I see, sorry
Thanks

[tame prairie]

I've noticed all other single block gregtech machines have an arc furnace recipe for recycle purposes. All except for the atomic reconstructor. Are there future plans to include a recycle recipe for this machine?

[eternal prawn]

Is the progression intended to be linear throughout each subsection of the quests as in the chapter Matter-Energy you need MV emitters to craft some items but you don't get MV Emitters until the chapter Early Game?

[whole umbra]

Oxydianiline Sludge has 2 ways to process it... the Distillation Tower method seems to be the intended way, but you can also electrolyze it for a way better output... not sure if this is intended or not

[crystal temple]

Is it intended that crude oillands cannot be centrifuged into ordinary oil, but ordinary ore blocks can?

[eternal vault]

This looks like a GCyR recipe, go tell Screret about it instead.

[vital merlin]

Re-stating an earlier question: Is it intended that the recipes for fluid cells are not visible in EMI ? e.g I need water fluid cell and helium gas fluid cell to make mesol energy cores. I can make them in the canner, but the recipe does not exist in EMI and if I click on the component it brings me to the recipe of an empty cell

[vernal pulsar]

i'm thinking yes, because it'd be a pain to have every fluid cell combined with every liquid in emi
could be wrong tho

[vital merlin]

like we have for buckets ?

Aah I see, there are multiple types of cells for some reason

yeah then it makes sense

[round tinsel]

(Normal mode) UHV+ Dynamo 4A+ hatches don't have valid recipes.
the Substation dynamos rely on transformer recipes that don't exist, and some transformers require small springs, which aren't even implemented

[eternal vault]

Please see https://github.com/GregTechCEu/GregTech-Modern/issues/2291

@round tinsel

[vagrant fog]

on loading the save some Fe Multi P2P tunnels connections breaks it and inserting energy at very low rate . It's so annoying to re-configure broken p2p connections every loading game

[crude basalt]

I have the same thing

[weak lily]

ME output hatches not being allowed in the fracing distill tower

[whole umbra]

i think that is fixed in dev of GTM

kross is the man to ask about that

[uneven frigate]

yes already completely implemented

release soon™️

[opaque fable]

There seems to be no recipe for airlock doors. Is that intended?

[vernal pulsar]

"intended" as in not yet implemented

[atomic pumice]

Converters aren't pushing into my energy network,

[vernal pulsar]

laserio and eio guide books are unobtainable: lio needs an uncraftable logic chip and eio is just straight-up uncraftable

[glass spear]

this is an issue of GTM and EIO conduits not being very sensible together. you need a buffer on the converter to store the energy, because eio conduits don't have a buffer

[vague fossil]

sorry, im a lurker, but i have to ask; what would be a sensible buffer at that stage?

[weak lily]

which stage? early IV? probably a bank of multiple 16x IV battery buffers filled with not lapotronic orbs but vanadium IV batteries, and as soon as you can, a substation

probably like this :
energy gen -> [rf=> converters to eu -> 16x battery buffers -> (converters to rf -> capacitor banks for IO display -> main power conduit net if using conduits / eu multi p2p otherwise)

[whole umbra]

I used lapotronic orbs because they are used in the substation

[weak lily]

i would have but it takes so goddamn long to make them that i gave it up after making a 16x buffer of them

especially with the cheap cost of battery buffers and rose gold + vanadium IV batteries

[amber dome]

Furious Infinity Catalyst quest requires infinity mainframe quest as a prereq, but as far as I can tell its not required?

[indigo rampart]

what was furious catalyst recipe again?

I thought it did use infinity frame

in omnic forge

[eager star]

it takes 2 uev emitters

which only require matter mainframes

yeah i don't see infinity mainframes being required either

[indigo rampart]

huh did it change wtf

I couldve sworn it was like 4 items

[amber dome]

It uses infinity FRAME

not mainframe

[opaque fable]

Why is there a tungsten dust -> hot tungsten ingot recipe in the EBF when I can just smelt tungsten dust into a tungsten ingot in a normal furace?

[amber dome]

As in, it doesn't need UIV circuits

[whole umbra]

the ebf is the GT default recipe, not sure if moni added the furnce one for normal

[amber dome]

I better not have had a furnace recipe this whole time

[whole umbra]

expert does not have it (i already checked )

[indigo rampart]

ahhh I misread

[amber dome]

did not need to touch infinity circuits at all

[vernal pulsar]

are you sure it's tungsten?

[vernal pulsar]

there is no furnace recipe for tungsten in normal either

[polar iron]

nuclearcraft hours

[vernal pulsar]

no idea how that's even there

[polar iron]

thats a ncn dust

hes playing on a server

[eternal vault]

it's a combination of NC:N being shi-T about tags and Almost Unified making NC:N's smelting recipe allow for the smelting of all Tungsten dusts smelt into GT Tungsten ingots

[polar iron]

^

[smoky ruin]

Little texture glitch after the most recent update.

[vague fossil]

little issue, not sure if this has been shown before or if update is already out that fixes this
please lmk if I am and how to fix, i mean no harm

on the other hand, how can I get around this for now? thanks

[whole umbra]

%t rocketscanner

[whole umbra]

wait wtf

[vague fossil]

this is a Large Bronze Boiler

[whole umbra]

oh KEK

[uneven frigate]

banana moment

[whole umbra]

its a known issue, i believe its fixed in the next version of gtm

[vague fossil]

i see

[whole umbra]

I WAS JUST EXCITED TO USE MY COMMAND.. also why did it go weird

[vague fossil]

np lmao
i have no clue though, i guess i just kinda

[uneven frigate]

your message is too long

[vague fossil]

scroll the visible UI

and pray

[uneven frigate]

yeah

[vague fossil]

theres no quest for refreshing the power on your ore scanner, at least in HM 0.9.10

not sure if i should have mentioned this in this post or this one https://discord.com/channels/914926812948234260/1293021606981144587

[vague fossil]

and it existed in normal nomi ceu* i should mention

[eternal vault]

Definitely put it here
and do mention whether or not it was in hard nomi ceu, normal mode is a different beast and has no bearing on the issue

[vague fossil]

gotcha, thanks

[vague fossil]

according to this user from the nomi ceu HM thread, a quest to recharge your ore scanner/prospector power is present (again, in HM)
In moni 0.9.10 HM at least, is it not there.

[stone pasture]

wrong chemical composition

if its hydrochloric its HCl

[vernal pulsar]

is that a moni thing or gtm?

[eternal vault]

Have you updated to latest?

[stone pasture]

not sure

[stone pasture]

not yet

though i can check

[vernal pulsar]

i'll check latest when i get to my computer

[stone pasture]

👍

[eternal vault]

Please do.
If you want to report an issue in the future, you should first check out if we’ve put out a fix for it by updating to latest.

[stone pasture]

ok!

[vernal pulsar]

fixed in latest

[vernal pulsar]

why does dense nether quartz ore exist when its only byproduct is quartzite, which has its own microverse mission?

[inner sierra]

To make nether quartz?

[vernal pulsar]

but there's cobbleworks for that

[inner sierra]

The quartzite is useless

[vernal pulsar]

or does it change in hm/em?

[inner sierra]

I don’t think you can make quartz from glass

But you need millions of nether quartz

I just crush, wash, sift, cutter and autoclave the dust passively

[vagrant fog]

why centrifuge at nuclear fuels are capped to do two at time on 16x parallel hatch?

[eternal vault]

Check recipe voltage tier

[vagrant fog]

says ZPM, two luv 4x hatches, so it can Overclock to Zpm

[eternal vault]

yep, 2 LuV 4x hatches = 8A LuV = 2A ZPM = 2 ZPM recipes

[vagrant fog]

now understand i though it was a bug

[indigo rampart]

wait thats not how it works isnt it

the img also shows max eu/t is 131k which is just 1A zpm, I assume they meant 2 normal luv hatch

but parallel should only utilize up to 1 4 16a energy iirc

[eternal vault]

Idk about the finer mechanics of parallel vs. overclock n' all that
it's within the right ballpark, and Blusiek was asking why there was 2 instead of 16

[whole umbra]

You can't get nether quartz for free in hard/expert

[jagged oxide]

is effortless building supposed to be disabled in expert mode?

[vernal pulsar]

effortless building got removed

[jagged oxide]

Also is there only supposed to be a recipe for sophisticated storage acacia barrels or are all of them supposed to be allowed?

[vernal pulsar]

i believe that is fixed in dev

[eternal vault]

The recipes are still there if you move the items into the crafting table manually, it’s just that not all permutations show up in JEI

[umbral agate]

Are there supposed to be two thorium recipies?

thorium depletes into two things

[ripe charm]

suggestion: General "Is this intended?" Thread should be split into:
General 'Is this Intended?" Thead 0.10.* etc to split up by version/major version. Hard to parse 2000 replies over 2 months

[outer niche]

Version 0.10.0 , in my case 24x Solar 7 connected to capacitor bank .
They produce 24x2048FE = 49152 , Transfer rate should be double that = 98304
In previous version(0.9.10) there was no problem transfering power
After leaving only solar connected to capacitor , the transfer/export is 4x4096FE ,
is max transfer supposed to be 4096 per solar connected or per connection to solar ,

[ripe charm]

For many of the EnderIO conduit things, its per connection. Tested it and 2 connections on 1 VII outputs 2x4096 (2 x the max per connection, is what it looks like.)

If the energy is fully drained out of the solar panels, they of course will only then transfer per tick what they make per tick. ie: 2048. You'd only see the 4096 when there is a build up of internal buffer for the panels and then you use energy so its pulling from the 2048/t it produces, and its stockpile to transfer out a maximum of 4096/t on a face. But multiple faces means that you're transfering out now 4x's its production versus 2x's it production so either way they will drain and then eventually output 2048/t again no matter how many connections you have to it.

so you'd need 12 connections to break even with its 2048/panel/t production, or 13 connections if you want to drain them of excess energy

But this was an intentional change to the ./config/solarflux/panels.cfg
0.9.10:

C "7"={
...
  /* How much FE does this solar panel produce per tick? (Range: [1; 9223372036854775807]) */
  I "Generation Rate"=8192
...
  /* How much FE does this solar panel emit to other block, per tick? (Range: [1; 9223372036854775807]) */
  I "Transfer Rate"=65536

0.10.0:

C "7"={
...        
  /* How much FE does this solar panel produce per tick? (Range: [1; 9223372036854775807]) */
  I "Generation Rate"=2048
...
  /* How much FE does this solar panel emit to other block, per tick? (Range: [1; 9223372036854775807]) */
  I "Transfer Rate"=4096

Which was part of the [0.10.0 announcement](#announcements message):

• Power changes
  • ...
  • Solar panels weakened
    • If your base is currently running on solar power, consider pre-building a fission reactor or some Naq2s before updating.

https://github.com/ThePansmith/Monifactory/pull/1066

• Solars all geenrate ~1/4 previous amount
• Solar energy storage nerfed harder
• Transfer rates nerfed to 2x generation speed

[supple blaze]

why does the naquadah II reactor list a 1A UV dynamo hatch in its material list when it outputs 3 amps of power, unless im missing something

[indigo rampart]

I think it's just because it's acceptable

[outer niche]

version 0.10.1 cant see rescipies for 64a substation hatches in emi

[whole umbra]

are you playing on a server?

[whole umbra]

^^

[outer niche]

yea

[whole umbra]

there is a bug with the current version of GT, you need to connect to a singleplayer world before joining the multiplayer server

to get all the recipe tabs

it should be fixed in the next version of GT