USA reworks, changes & additions

[prisma pecan]

Weapons

• Add back the secondary GL kit using a M4 + M203 + M150

• Add a M240L, picture #1, for Light Infantry and Air Assault

• Change the M18 white smoke grenade for a more accurate M83 smoke grenade, picture #2

• Add the suppressed M110 SASS to Air Assault unit

• Add a M14 EBR as an alternative DMR, picture #3

• Correct the model of the AT-4, M136 does not have a folding grip, picture #4, or rename the M136 AT-4 to M136A1 AT4CS-RC, picture #5

Vehicles

• Rename M1A2 to M1A2 SEPv2 for a more accurate designation

• Add a MK19 variant of the M1126 Stryker APC, picture #6

• Add a M1117 APC, picture #7, Light Infantry only

• Replace the M939 trucks with M1083 A1P2, picture #8

• Add a M1129 mortar carrier, picture #9, Motorized only

• Correct the TOW HMMWV designation from M1151 to M1167 TOW

• Add a M1152 HMMWV troop carrier variant, picture #10

Battlegroups

Armored

2x - M1A2 SEPv2 (1 on 10min delay)
2x - M7A3
2x - M113A3 M2A1
3x - M113A3 Logi
3x - M1083 A1P2 Transport (1 on 6min delay)

Air Assault

• Rename it from 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment to 101st Airborne Division 1st Brigade Combat Team or 101st Airborne Division 2nd Mobile Brigade Combat Team for a more accurate depiction of Air Assault unit type

1x - M1A2 SEPv2 (30min delay)
2x - M1167 TOW
2x - M1151 M2A1 CROWS
2x - M1151 M2A1
2x - M1151 MK19
3x - M1152 Logi
3x - M1152 Transport (1 on 6min delay)
2x - UH-60M
1x - UH-60M CAS

Combined Arms

1x - M1A2 SEPv2 (15min delay)
1x - M2A3
1x - M1126 M2A1
1x - MATV TOW
1x - MATV M2A1 CROWS
2x - MATV M2A1
2x - M1083 A1P2 Logi
3x - M1083 A1P2 Transport (1 on 6min delay)
1x - UH-60M (6min delay)

Mechanized

1x - M1A2 SEPv2 (20min delay)
3x - M2A3
3x - M113A3 M2A1
3x - M113A3 MK19
3x - M113A1 Logi
3x - M1083 A1P2 Transport (1 on 6min delay)
1x - UH-60M (15min delay)

Motorized

1x - M1A2 SEPv2 (20min delay)
2x - M1128 MGS
1x - M1129 MC
2x - M1126 M2A1
2x - M1126 MK19
2x - M1083 A1P2 Logi
3x - M1083 A1P2 Transport (1 on 6min delay)

Light Infantry

1x - M1A2 SEPv2 (20min delay)
2x - M1126 M240
2x - MATV TOW
2x - M1117
2x - MATV M2A1
2x - MATV MK19
2x - MATV M240
2x - M1083 A1P2 Logi
3x - M1083 A1P2 Transport (1 on 6min delay)
1x - UH-60M

Support

1x - M7A3
2x - M1126 M240
2x - M1064A3
2x - M113A3 M2
2x - M113A3 MK19
1x - M1167 TOW
2x - M1151 M2A1
3x - M1083 A1P2 Logi
3x - M1083 A1P2 Transport (1 on 6min delay)
2x - UH-60M (10min delay)

[charred ridge]

JLTVs should be in here too, the supposed successor to the humvee but its moreso complementing it in current army service, can at least spread them out in light infantry and air assault BGs

[latent loom]

They got fucking killed by Kegsbreath 😭

[charred ridge]

cutting down on procurement spending yet still spending similar amounts of money on the military, dark magic over here

[latent loom]

Me when I have to cancel all of the good modernization projects cause I'm bored

[coral wyvern]

Maybe bring back M4A1 to rifleman kit?

And additional raider kit with buildable ladder (like sandbags at sapper's kit)

[prisma pecan]

Breacher kits should be added to all factions with ladders and smaller explosives, will make a post about it later on

[prisma pecan]

Maybe Air Assault and Light Infantry only

[candid canyon]

I still don't really understand the aversion to M4A1 for US Army when other nations already have full auto capable, 800RPM+ C7/8, EF-88, M27 with high RoF. The 'balance against AKs (and other 650RPM weapons)' argument hasn't really aged well in my opinion.

[candid canyon]

The return of the M203 would be appreciated. I miss the quick reaction time given by the UGL. The setup for the standalone M320 can be annoying and it's a shame they lowered the HEDP amount back to 10 from 14.

Maybe they could add the M320 in a UGL config but I know that's uncommon due to bulk and weight even if it is technically possible to mount. However it's not like that's really an issue in-game.

M4+M203+ACOG is just a vibe

[prisma pecan]

M4 + M203 + ACOG is a vibe

[old fjord]

For the AT4 the best solution is to get rid of the foregrip, since the rest of the model would be inaccurate for the M136A1 AT4CS-RS, like the missing rails and the different venturi in the back:

I made this post about it a while ago: https://discord.com/channels/91294111071469568/1283958727686492190

Also the M136A1 has different velocity of 220-225m/s vs the 290m/s of the older M136

But they did finally fix the inaccurate name with the v9.0 update

[prisma pecan]

Yup good point

[old fjord]

I do think they should still add the M136A1 AT4CS-RS in-game along side the older M136 and maybe have it replace the M72A7 for light inf and AA

[old fjord]

what about Elcan SpecterDR 1–4x optics for a few kits in Light inf and AA sub-units, like SL, pathfinder, and maybe AR? 🙂

[prisma pecan]

Could work

[tropic dirge]

So what's the difference between the m240b and L in the game? Just a different model?

[old fjord]

looks cooler 😎

the M240L can have a shorter barrel, so less wall collision, but obviously that is barely a benefit in-game. Its also lighter IRL so maybe less sway, but again that doesn't really matter in-game for MGs as much as a rifle for example.

[prisma pecan]

M240L has a shorter barrel and stock, which makes more sense for Air Assault and Light Infantry units

[old fjord]

Maybe they could give it a slightly faster reload due to the lighter weight compared to the M240B

[tropic dirge]

i think thats make sense

[old fjord]

What about the M3A1 MAAWS for light inf and air assault?

[pearl venture]

All seem pretty reasonable, isnt a suppressed m110 already on air assault?

[pearl venture]

Imo should be for marines instead, MAT-V for army

[old fjord]

yeah they do

[prisma pecan]

wasnt it just for Light inf only ?

[old fjord]

nah, it was always LI and AA

https://www.joinsquad.com/updates/squad---v8-2-release-notes

[old fjord]

thoughts on replacing the MBT in motorized with the M1134 🤔

[prisma pecan]

damn im blind lol

[prisma pecan]

Hmmmmmm

2 MGSs + 1 M1134 ?

could work

[old fjord]

yeah but the M1134 would have 1250hp, so not one shotable by MBTs

[prisma pecan]

yeah would work

[old fjord]

although if OWI does add it, it would probably have to RTB to rearm after firing both TOWs

[pearl venture]

just give them all strykers along with a with a humvee or stryker logi, maybe also a dragoon. give it that Stryker brigade combat team vibe

[old fjord]

dongie is a dragoon hater 😢

[pearl venture]

🖕

[old fjord]

🤤

[pearl venture]

bushmaster II 🤤

[old fjord]

volume warning:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/M1296_Stryker_Dragoon_Firing.webm

[prisma pecan]

No

[prisma pecan]

What the fuck dude?

[old fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-mean-yes-you-meant-yes-is-that-what-you-meant-right-correct-gif-16023931

[prisma pecan]

Fuck you too then 🖕

[prisma pecan]

I mean

[pearl venture]

lol

[prisma pecan]

NO DRAGOON

[old fjord]

so M1304 instead right? 🙂

[prisma pecan]

No

We dont need another autocannon LAV

Unless its LAV III for CRF

[old fjord]

but they could give the 30mm more damage and then we have basically another CTAS lol

[agile kindle]

Buut it's badass

[prisma pecan]

Buut we dont need it

[old fjord]

we don't need any of these things in this post, but we WANT them

[prisma pecan]

My post and I dont want it

No for real now we dont need another LAV with an autocannon

We need the HMG strykers to not have overheat applied so fast

Or completely remove overheat if we are getting bullet deviation

[old fjord]

and if they ever add the Mk-19 stryker they need to add RWS reloads because its gonna have to rtb after firing 48 rounds. It would basically be a TAPV without the MG.

[latent loom]

These are brand new though

[old fjord]

it was a joke

[prisma pecan]

Just give them 96 rounds honestly

[old fjord]

tell that to OWI that gives the TAPV 32 rounds lol

when its is supposed to be 96, since that how many rounds it gets irl

[pearl venture]

just reload the mk19 smh

i swear there was a crows MK19 on a MAT-V, not sure how that one worked. i dont think you could reload it

[prisma pecan]

There isnt CROWS MK19 in vanilla maybe a mod

[pearl venture]

yeah im probably thinking of GE

[charred ridge]

they both use JLTVs, they both can have em just like how they both get the humvee and MATV, however the marines do have some interesting heavy weapon variants of the JLTV that could be added specifically for them

[charred ridge]

and proper hedp armor pen inshallah

[old fjord]

How do we feel about handheld 60mm mortars as a specialist kit for light inf and air assault? 🤔

[pearl venture]

Meh

[prisma pecan]

Imho not needed

Would be worse version of a Grenadier if you ask me

[old fjord]

it would definitely be map dependent with it obviously favoring more open and longer range maps. Also dependent on how much ammo it would get. But I think on some of the more open maps it would be pretty powerful spamming HE and Smoke where ever their SL is putting markers without the need for a FOB.

[latent loom]

Grenadier could do its job but quicker

[old fjord]

yeah, but with in 400m and in most situations within line-of-sight

[latent loom]

I mean at that point why not just call in some help from a mortar fob?

[old fjord]

yeah they could, but in pub games that isn't always built. Now if their were a mortar kit it would be more likely

[latent loom]

Itd be way too limited tbh

[old fjord]

I feel like it would be a kit that would be more effective at supporting the squad in terms of anti-infantry fire power compared to any other kit like MG, AR, marksman or sniper.

And you can still have a grenadier AND a mortar kit

and like i suggested it would be a specialist kit so its not taking away from LATs or grens

[latent loom]

You do have to consider that it could only be used on flat terrain right

Which is much more constricting than a grenadier

[old fjord]

yeah but you don't even need line of sight and it will have way more range

[latent loom]

And you can exactly shoot it from the Forrest

[charred ridge]

i think itd be easier to explain grenade slingshots for the CRF than whatever that is

[latent loom]

Why are you derailing discussions?

[latent loom]

Okay so

Why are you posting CRF stuff in a USA rework chat

Well there's no need to be a dick about it

It's not gonna get enough eyes if you just post random suggestions in unrelated discussions, it'll get more views if you make your own post about it

Yeah no problem

[storm fern]

Would be great, the Russian grenadier is already able to use a mortar, so why not the USMC too?

[old fjord]

it might be a technical limitation but they should add the secondary MGs for the open top TOW humvees since they have them IRL:

probably only the M240 version for in-game

[old fjord]

And it will probably never happen, but I just want the M141 BDM to get added. It’s barely in any other video games:

[kindred isle]

I still stand that armored should get a msv :p I'd increase the apc count to 3 though

Air needs to lose the crows, cas should be named DAP

Combined should not get the tow matv, and instead another m2 Stryker or a 240

No complaints on mechanized beyond missing at least 1 m1064a3 mortar carrier

Honestly I'd rather ditch the delay tank spawn for an immediate 3rd mgs or 2 of the suggested stryker-at's with the tows

Replace the 2 matv 240s with crows m2a1

I'd replace the 2 mgl m113's with 2 open top humvee versions

[fresh lichen]

So now that PLA has been updated to use modern equipment, when will US factions receive the same treatment?
Mind boggling that they still use burst rifles/carbines when most other modern factions have full auto capable standard issue rifles.

M4A1 was officially adopted by the US Army beginning in 2014 during the PIP to convert M4s to M4A1s, which completed in 2018.
Meanwhile the QBZ-191 just added for the PLA only began rollout in 2019, which would replace older rifles gradually.

M4A1 for all.

[kindred isle]

What would you offer Pathfinder(Raider) kits

[tropic ore]

Remove them and make a Breacher kit with a shotgun secondary, small C4 and collapsable ladders

[fresh lichen]

Why do they need a special weapon to the detriment of every other role? They already have like 4 frags. It's also a pretty useless role that just takes slots away from something useful (Rifleman with ammo bags).

[tropic ore]

Pathfinder was added to be a conventional counterpart of a Raider kit for commendations

Scrap Pathfinder for bluefor and give them a Breacher for every battlegroup type

Instead of having a shitty Rifleman variant with no ammo bags

[old fjord]

Pathfinder can get Elcan Specter 1x-4x

[tropic ore]

Collapsable ladder would be a new game mechanic aswell and you can give it to Breachers and Raiders

Simple ass thing but nope… Pathfinder exclusive to Air Assault and Light Infantry

[tropic ore]

It can get binned fuck that stupid ass role

[old fjord]

yeah, im not a fan of the role either

[fresh lichen]

I hate arguments that are basically "no, you can't give this much needed buff to all these roles because then this one other role won't be special."

[old fjord]

especially when OWI removes M4A1 from rifleman to make pathfinder more special

[fresh lichen]

Collapsible ladder could be pretty dope though and open up some interesting plays for clever SLs.

[kindred isle]

wo wo wo, stfu about putting words in my mouth there idiot

I simply asked what would you give them as a replacement, never did i state that im against M4A1 standarization

so calm the fuck down

[kindred isle]

Should the Breacher kit kinda fill the rec role for Bluefor standard factions? that'd make some nice uniqueness between blue vs red "raider"

[fresh lichen]

USMC should also get some updates. They should mostly be using M27 IARs now, with perhaps corpsmen and other non-infantry roles still having M4/M4A1 (we know the Marines are broke bitches).

[tropic ore]

Bluefor would get shotgun secondaries while redfor “Radiers” get more frags and stuff like AKS-74U with a RPK-74 mags

[kindred isle]

I enjoy standard AK platform with those phat mags

[tropic ore]

PLA would be “unqiue” because they are redfor but get a shotgun secondary

[fresh lichen]

I think it should boil down to conventional vs irregular, rather than BLUFOR vs REDFOR.

[tropic ore]

RGF and VDV would have more frags with a mix of RGD and RGO

[kindred isle]

China has flamethrowers still ;D

[tropic ore]

Not a breacher tho

Would be a cool specialist role tho

Breacher would be under Direct Combat roles

[kindred isle]

Flame breachs, right?

[tropic ore]

Doesnt work like that since Russia for example does not use shotguns for breaching, only started using those for drones

And it would make factions different from eachother

[fresh lichen]

Conventional armies should get breachers, while irregulars get raiders. Some exceptions could exist, like with Marine Raiders or VDV.

[kindred isle]

Raiders need AT nades back for non-conv teams

[tropic ore]

Thats pretty much what I said

Marines also get Breachers

Marine Raiders is SF not a role for grunts

[fresh lichen]

I think AT nades got taken out because their damage broke.

[tropic ore]

Yup

[kindred isle]

yup

bring em back! would help with non-conv raider roles, whilst conv raiders should get impact nades, with the role replaced by breacher? for some blue conv factions

[fresh lichen]

But yeah they need fixed and brought back. Imagining them in an urban environment where sometimes it isn't possible to bring conventional AT to bear due to minimum arming distance is a terrifying thought for armor.

[tropic ore]

Basically it would be like this

[kindred isle]

wait... why u got 2 discord accounts D;

[tropic ore]

Breacher role, shotgun secondary, small breaching charge, collapsable ladders:

• USA
• USMC
• AFU
• ADF
• BAF
• CAF
• TLF
• PLAGF

Raider, SMG/Carbine weapon with or without suppressors, extra grenades, small breaching charge, collapsable ladders:

• PLANMC
• PLAAGF
• RGF
• VDV
• GFI
• WPMC
• IMF
• MEI

MEI and IMF get AT nades back aswell

[tropic ore]

Technically three first two were banned by discord for saying a number thats under the minimum age requierment and discord bots are fuckin stupid

[kindred isle]

I was like "he blocked me, why he responding"

[tropic ore]

Im a new dolphin

[kindred isle]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-blingee-dolphin-picmix-gif-12978169509439366364

[rancid stirrup]

what number

https://tenor.com/view/ferass18-gif-7869831930024597864

[tropic ore]

How many times i kissed your dad

[kindred isle]

so 1,218,251,984 times

[fresh lichen]

Let's hope OWI are being good little devs and are actually paying attention. US rebalance is overdue.

[tropic ore]

Yes

[tropic ore]

USA atm is fine

[old fjord]

just give M4A1 and call it a day

[tropic ore]

IMF, MEI, RGF and VDV need player model reworks, IMF battlegroups need a rebalance 5 BMPs is insane

[fresh lichen]

Yeah I'm not talking about model rework. Just rebalancing (e.g. M4A1).

[kindred isle]

battlegroups in general need reworked

[fresh lichen]

I've noticed there's certain Armored groups that have wheeled logies and others have tracked. Seems like it should be one way or the other.

[tropic ore]

Every battlegroup with tracked logis should get 1 wheeled logi on a delayed spawn

[fresh lichen]

Seems fair. All groups should have minimum 3 logis... distribution of tracked/wheeled and size should be balancing factors.

[kindred isle]

I think Armored should get no wheeled logis, but instead 4 tracked, with an MSV

They should have a slow resupply but an immensely strong but slow open

[languid cedar]

awesome suggestions

too much yap

[north mountain]

Scar H and M4A1s

How tf is there no suggestion of a Scar H

[charred ridge]

because neither the army nor the marines use the SCAR H besides it being used by socom

[north mountain]

Really? Damn

[tropic ore]

Because I do my research when posting about factions, and SCAR-H isnt used by grunts

[opal cosmos]

Dude give all the US Kits the M4A1, (almost) all the Marines the M27 (+ accurate accessories like foregrips and suppressors too thanks), and all the ADF grip pods and Spectre's.

I mean it's not like all these nations have had these items issued out as universal for nearly a decade now or anything...

[opal cosmos]

Also, with adding the M1117 Guardian, I believe those were retired several years ago.

[tropic ore]

Good thing game isnt set in present day then

[fresh lichen]

What is the established time frame right now? Anything earlier than 2019 and China shouldn't have their new guns...

[tropic ore]

Loosely modern

Thats the period

[pearl venture]

Still used in MP units

[kindred isle]

it was 2010-2019ish

i think they shifted it with the creeping updates to a more 2015-2025

Time to give Marines ACV-30's

😛

[fresh lichen]

If only; initial operation isn't slated until this year unfortunately.

[pearl venture]

move every factions time frame to 2025 and future proof everything like the player models. Keep the old loadouts for support.

[old fjord]

OWI has never stated a time period for Squad, except for Ukraine which they said was early 2022.

[fresh lichen]

Everything should be early 2022 then for balance.

[old fjord]

well it doesn't have to be everything

you can have some sub-factions be old and some be new

[pearl venture]

Squad isn’t set in our universe so i don’t see a problem for Ukraine 2025

[old fjord]

well OWI said, in this facebook post, they might add more modern battlegroups with western equipment in the future, but that was a while ago and plans might have changed: https://www.facebook.com/JoinSquad/posts/-we-recently-announced-that-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-are-joining-squad-later-/1788330035275261/

Q: Any other future plans you can share?
A: We can't confirm this yet, but in future updates, more specific battlegroups focused on post-2022 operations, utilizing western-supplied equipment, may be added, as well as a potential minor faction focusing on less conventional aspects of the Ukrainian armed forces.

[pearl venture]

Hopefully that ain’t happening

[old fjord]

i don't see a problem with it, especially if it adds some unique weapons that we probably wouldn't see otherwise, like CZ bren, etc...

[noble rampart]

Squad takes equipment from various periods and mixes it together for balance.

They don't stick to '2022' or just one year, they stick to a range.

It is easier to design factions that way.

[old fjord]

yeah, OWI has intentionally never really stated an exact time period for a reason, so they can add what ever they want

[tropic ore]

Nah was always loosely modern

[kindred isle]

that was modern :*(

#feelsold

[pearl venture]

I mean its a old ass game, id assume if they had the time they would add more modern stuff

[kindred isle]

2020, or we nuke USMC armor D;

[fresh lichen]

USMC without armor would help diversify it from USA though. Although it shouldn't happen before Javelins I think.

[pearl venture]

Nothing wrong with that

[old fjord]

well you can keep USMC armored as 2010 with M16A4s and have other units modern

like they should make USMC Light inf, air assault, and mechanized modern and everything else old

[pearl venture]

Mixing up factions with different guns i don’t really like. Having alot of fun using M27s then getting a older gun on a battlegroup that should be modern kinda sucks

Should be standardized for all factions

[old fjord]

they aren't getting rid of the M16A4 since they sold skins

[pearl venture]

So give it to support

[old fjord]

and it is stupid to get rid of content

[kindred isle]

M16A4's were still prevalent up to 2018

(in support role)

[fresh lichen]

M16A4 could be retained as alternate role loadouts.
e.g. Medic 1 with M27/M4A1; Medic 2 with M16A4 + scope

[pearl venture]

Squadlead could get a M4A1 probably

[old fjord]

M4A1s are pretty uncommon for USMC infantry

[pearl venture]

They are used quite a bit? Squad leaders still have them and some squads only operate them i believe

[old fjord]

vast majority are still 3-round burst M4s even today

[pearl venture]

Nah

[charred ridge]

armored and support should get older infantry kit, should imo be a thing for most conventional factions as another incentive to play them

[rancid stirrup]

i say we give everyone m14s to spite the burst haters

[old fjord]

it is kind of hard to find pics where you can easily see it say burst on the side, but here is one from 2025:

i'll try to find more

Like M4A1s do exist, but like 99% of M4 variants you see are 3-round burst M4s

and the M4A1s are hand me downs from Recon Marines who switched to M27 RWKs

[pearl venture]

So i don’t see the issue with one kit getting a M4/M4A1

[old fjord]

IMO the kits, like HAT or CE should get 3-round burst M4s maybe with suppressors, as seen in the pic, since the M4A1 and M27 would still perform about the same any way and the M4s should be given to a kit to downgrade their anti-infantry capability if they are carrying another weapon that is powerful, like MAAWS, M32, etc...

and if you want to give SLs something cool or unique, they can get M27 RWKs, since they are more common than M4A1s.

This image is from 3rd Battalion, 2d Marine Regiment in 2025:

[jovial cargo]

Suppressors are a cancer that needs to be cut out of squad asap

[old fjord]

the main problem is the sound or lack of it

if they fix that, it wouldn't really be that powerful

like it is barely audible at 200m

[jovial cargo]

And until they rework sounds, which will probably take a few years considering we are talking about OWI, its better to remove them

[old fjord]

this is about how loud it should be btw: https://youtu.be/UsxMo_Fx3kk?si=FLjgO0ZgxBMN0TjD&t=42

[tropic ore]

Oi mofos this is for USA not USMC

[old fjord]

Add the GSS sight for the M320A1 and also add underbarrel M320A1s:

probably won't be added but the M106 Bursting Obscuration Hand Grenade
(BOHG) would be interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJZTrHlHMtI

[kindred isle]

give my HEDP nades proper pen

[old fjord]

https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/1r7oac1/there_is_no_logical_reason_for_the_us_army_and/

[charred ridge]

dang thats fresh

[kindred isle]

Well

He isnt wrong

[noble rampart]

Tbf, US Army and USMC need small things here and there that's it. He's right, they're in a great place atm.

Just the M4A1 and I'd say the new trucks and it's okay for now.

[opal cosmos]

Well they say that then add the QBZ191 and Sprut SDM1, which are both like 2023 issue. So it is if you're not NATO apparently...

[tropic ore]

QBZ191 is from 2019 and SDM1 is 2020

[fresh lichen]

QBZ191 was only unveiled in 2019 with use in high-tier military units, with general rollout to regular army not until 2021-2022.

[fresh lichen]

Info on SDM1 is sparse, but it looks like trials were 2019-2020 (unveil date being 2016 for reference), with it "still being prepared for service" as of 2022. From what I've found it's still not in service.

[tropic ore]

Yeah and OWI likes to look at dates when it was shown first

Not when it was issued

[fresh lichen]

Strange. Some things that are unveiled never see service.

[kindred isle]

and yet the BMD-2 is still nowhere

[fresh lichen]

It's definitely a weird philosophy.

[opal cosmos]

I heard the BMD-2 was pretty rare tho

[kindred isle]

BMD-2 is the meat of the VDV

There's significantly large stores of BMD-2's

[opal cosmos]

OK

[kindred isle]

vs a BMD-4

[opal cosmos]

I certainly doubt its rarer than a BMD 1 that I can say

It will never stop being funny having insurgent fire support with heavier armour than the VDV support.

[kindred isle]

BMD-1's were very well phased out before 2000

with dust stock

[opal cosmos]

And as for that then why does the US Army not have the M4A1s yet. Those were unveiled when the game was still in beta.

[kindred isle]

old balance

Keep the Auto M4's for certain kits to balance US strong vehicles

(back yonder)

[tropic ore]

^^^

[opal cosmos]

Yeah. Probably need it now though. The US Combined Arms is possibly the weakest out of all. 1 IFV is not great

[kindred isle]

Bradley's are overhyped still

they arent kings anymore

Bradley needs reload rack for his TOW akin to the Ukraine vehicles

[opal cosmos]

The other thing that confuses me is how the Stryker needs a crewman to drive and gun, but the ZSL does not?

[kindred isle]

also can we get the Dragoon?

@tropic ore add Dragoons D;

[tropic ore]

No

[kindred isle]

T-T

[opal cosmos]

Dragoons are pretty new. Would still be fun to have though.

[old fjord]

Dragoons are like 2018

[opal cosmos]

Didn't the Dragoon replace the MGS kind of?

[kindred isle]

Motorized should lose the M1A2 and gain 2 dragoons 🙁

[opal cosmos]

I thought production began pretty recently?

[old fjord]

yeah, but there was a year or two where they were both in service together

[old fjord]

that is for the M1304 30mm

which is a different vehicle

[pearl venture]

Dragoons are being phased out in favor of ICVVA1-30mm

[opal cosmos]

Oh right

[kindred isle]

that's just an upgraded Dragoon, still a stryker platform

Dragoons were fielded 2017, and ramped up since, and are now being ramped out for the ICVVA1-30mm(which is like a BMP-2 vs BMP-2M example)

I will gladly take Dragoons for motorized USA

[pearl venture]

Im just saying, dragoons are way more iconic and fit squad more. Id happily take it

[opal cosmos]

They'd also balance the Motorized more. Maybe trade a MGS and a .50 for 2 Dragoons?

Keeps both vics in service and levels out compared to other factions?

[tropic ore]

Remove tank, 2 MGS, 2 Dragoons, 2 .50 RWS and 2 MK19 RWS

But meh Dragoons kinda mid

[opal cosmos]

That'd work well.

[tropic ore]

Another LAV variant

Kinda boring

[opal cosmos]

Aren't they just a larger LAV?

[pearl venture]

Don’t forget the Stryker with a mortar or TOW

[opal cosmos]

Stryker mortar would be crazy good.

[tropic ore]

Stryker is based on LAV 3 hull

[opal cosmos]

Side by side the Stryker is a fair bit bigger

[tropic ore]

But honestly Dragoon is not needed

[pearl venture]

If it doesn’t have airburst it would be decent

[tropic ore]

Just buff M2 RWS Stryker to have a longer burst before overheating

[rancid stirrup]

and not cost 10 tickets ‼️

[tropic ore]

And replace 7.62 Stryker with MK19 RWS with proper HEDP penetration

[kindred isle]

with a bushmaster 2

30mm, superior US AP rounds

[tropic ore]

Meh

[kindred isle]

this would be my ideal idea for motor

I'm also convinced with discussions with players ingame

Armor should get 4 logis and MSV(nearly for every conv faction)
They should have a strong, but slow Opener with weak follow-up logistics

[agile kindle]

Aren't MH60 DAPs exclusively used by the 160th SOAR
I don't think it fits in the game's setting unless you include a SOAR partner force like Ranger Regiment

[loud wing]

Those are great ideas, actually, but I'd more see around US's primary weapon selection.

1. Reverting M4 to M4A1, BUT!:

1. Nerfing ALL the 5.56 Carbines in the game, by increasing their vertical recoil(Just removing foregrip from every kit exept for Raider can do) and MOA to 3.5.
2. Decreasing the effective range of 5.56 Carbines(that being M4A1, C8A3 and M4 UpgradedKits) from 345-500m, to 295-480m.

That way, US Army will have a great CQC Perfomance, as AR should have, but worser at ranges - compensating it with either ACOG's and precision shooting, or overwhelming firepower by ROF of their weapons and resorting to specific kits, such as Gunners and Marksmans.

2.**[RADICAL] Making XM7 their primary weapon. **
Base Damage 125
Min. Damage 35
Base Damage Distance 182 m
Min. Damage Distance 550 m
Head Damage 340.5
Shoulder Damage 70
Calf Damage 56
Forearm Damage 47
Rate of Fire - 699(?)

So, by all means - that's a battle rifle instead of carbine... which would perfom slightly differently from other Battle Rifles.
Concidering that it recieved a lot of positive and negative reviews - definetly has some things that making it not ideal and not all-around weapon.
Since it uses .277 FURY, rather then 7.62x51 - it shouldn't deal as much as other BR's(and due to reviews of soldiers - it's not as great in their own field), but it's still a BR that penetrates and packs a punch.
Plus that with not as great ergonomics and ammunition capacity(20rnd instead of 30) - you'll get less CQC oriented BLUEFOR Faction, that relies on vehicles a lot.
...just a problem because it's pretty much making US into TLF with better vehicles, but for TLF I got separate fixes in respectfull thread.

2.5[RADICAL, BUT INTRESTING] - Tandem Primary Weapon Selection(a.k.a. combination of previous ideas)
Similarly to how:
AFU got Malyuk and AK-74
PLA and PLAMC got QBZ-191 and QBZ-192

US Army could get M7 and M4A1 as their double weaponry, aviable mainly for Rifleman and SL kits(The rest by default get either M4 or M7)

M7 - for longer ranges, better suppresion, and better damage per shot. Recoil makes your shoulders collapse, but does the job
M4 - for shorter ranges, better firerate output, and lesser recoil - recoil makes you fire and readjust more concistently, but you lack penetration and damage over ranges.

[north mountain]

All 5.56 rifles in game have realistic depictions of recoil when compared to other cartridges ingame. Their recoil does not need to be increased. Your proposed changes to 5.56 range and recoil would mean that it would play almost identically to a 7.62 rifle, which would make zero sense whatsoever.

As far as the M7 goes, you're wrong. It would outperform every other battle rifle in-game. .277 fury outperforms 7.62 nato for all intensive purposes, ballistic coefficients especially. The only downsides to the cartridge, as far as its implenation into squad would be concerned, do not exist. Not only would it shoot way further and harder than 7.62 nato, but it would retain way more energy at range, at a much flatter trajectory.

The rifle does weigh a metric fuck ton, so increased weapon sway and handling would make sense. (But not if the newer shorter barreled versions are implanted instead)

[loud wing]

Fair points all... hmmm. I do still kinda feel like carbines should have slight recoil control isssues... no idea why

It could be intresting to also play around ROF's being overboard

[tropic ore]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[kindred isle]

I'd be all for M7 family being given to Airborne/Infantry battlegroups now that the timeline is pushed to 2020

integrated suppressors

[north mountain]

?

[agile kindle]

Eh M7 is only recently getting proliferated, back in 2020 it was still T&E iirc

[kindred isle]

And that's why i said airborne/infantry only

[agile kindle]

Actually no, I don't think it was even around

NGSW ended in 2022

In 2020 it was still in trials