It is too strong. Takes too many hits to kill, tow does wayyy too much damage, and in the mechanized faction US army gets THREE of them meanwhile you dropped the amount of armor of every other faction.
#Nerf the Bradley
pliant crow
jade verge
Other factions get really good IFVs in their mech units as well.
sinful crescent
Not calling for a ZBL nerf being super quick
Double the amount of AP though it does less damage and like 300 rounds of HE
Also USA Mech is very meh with tracked logis
pliant crow
It takes 3 shots to kill a Bradley with a tank no other IFV besides the shitty uparmored warrior is like that
In those 3 shots a Bradley can shoot two tows that don't have the RNG of Russian tows literal straight line
iron notch
The LAV 6 also takes 3 sabot shots to kill.
The Bradley is also burning after 2 shots and can be ammo racked in 1 shot
They’re slow and have to reload their tows. If you know where to aim with the tank you should never lose to a Bradley. You can 1 shot its ammo rack or you can disable its turret and avoid getting towed.
little wigeon
They’re slow and have to reload their tows. If you know where to aim with the ta...
bradley cannot be 1 shot ammo racked if it is facing armor/facing front
willow crater
yes it can george
little wigeon
yes it can george
there is a plate that is gimmick coded to allow no shots through behind the engine. it can not
must be a side shot
willow crater
little wigeon
little wigeon
https://squad-armor.com/vicPage#BP_BFV
see the plate labeled
MI Veh NoPenetration - 0mm
willow crater
ive ammo racked the bradley from the front before
pliant crow
Yes but the Lav 6 doesn't have tow missiles and it can't shoot behind itself
little wigeon
side shot. go test it in game that plate blocks shots
gentle musk
ive ammo racked the bradley from the front before
same
willow crater
you sayng im lying?
little wigeon
im saying you're mistaken where your shot landed or the game has a bug because it was programmed by the devs to not let that happen
gentle musk
im saying you're mistaken where your shot landed or the game has a bug because i...
iq?
little wigeon
im just telling you what the vehicle model looks like
go report frontal ammo rack bug if you can reproduce it
little wigeon
go report frontal ammo rack bug if you can reproduce it
dont get me wrong, it could be a bug. heli pilots are supposed to be invuln and that was bugged for a while too. but dont get upset with me that there's literally a "nopenetration" plate there
willow crater
the mod for training is not updated to ue5 yet ill circle back when it does
fresh brook
It is too strong. Takes too many hits to kill, tow does wayyy too much damage, a...
what the hell are you talking about bradley is already underpowered
there is no fucking way i should have won this battle, especially after both of the ATGMs missed
the M2A3 in this game is slow, weak, and awkward, while in real life it's able to disable a T-90
little wigeon
there is no fucking way i should have won this battle, especially after both of ...
they're shooting you with frag you can hear it pop next to you
the gunner was a bot thats why you won
starts with AP and goes to HE once you're engined
fresh brook
the gunner was a bot thats why you won
i mean yeah i can definitely tell the gunner screwed up but still, it's crazy how we won that fight
little wigeon
dont call a vehicle underpowered because it shot you with peas by accident. if he kept shooting AP you die
fresh brook
eh idk ive played with the Bradley (and didnt spin my turret 360 looking for the enemy) and lost to IFVs that should be weaker
little wigeon
the gunner was a bot thats why you won
sounds like he probably ran out actually and was trying to wheel you but who knows
little wigeon
eh idk ive played with the Bradley (and didnt spin my turret 360 looking for the...
its ok to still think its underpowered, everyone has different opinions about the vics. but that clip isnt good evidence
fresh brook
bro why cant i send a link
fresh brook
in that same match we destroyed another bradley
little wigeon
just watched it
little wigeon
trust me im not here saying bradley needs a nerf. but its not underpowered either
yeah
fresh brook
sadly with the update all the vehicles became kinda shittier
little wigeon
tow vs no tow is always going to go to the tow
fresh brook
with the new acceleration and handling
fresh brook
tow vs no tow is always going to go to the tow
yea true
little wigeon
i disagree. nobody is used to them but once they are it will be fine
everyone is relearning the muscle memory is all
net positive in my eyes
the mobility boosts are insane
fresh brook
the vehicles are objectively slower though
little wigeon
even if its not "faster" or more agile they're all way more capable
fresh brook
cornering, acceleration, climbing
little wigeon
climbing slower but way more consistent and way steeper angles
fresh brook
it's kinda shit though you have to just hold W to accelerate, if you tap A or D your velocity goes to shit
little wigeon
TPS has hellish effects on vehicle handling. i think once server performance improves and people have had another week or 2 to adjust there will be far fewer complaints
little wigeon
it's kinda shit though you have to just hold W to accelerate, if you tap A or D ...
yeah i think they need to tune things up a bit more. some vehicles are still really weird with gear shifts
but i def dont want it going back to how it was
fresh brook
if you want to make a slight adjustment in your path say bye to the speed you built up, youre gonna go from 60 kph to 20
the abrams feels like a t72 now
little wigeon
dont get me started on the mbt stuff. way too off topic for here
fresh brook
but i def dont want it going back to how it was
i think it was perfect previously. with wheeled vehicles its fine, but tracked stuff is a nightmare
little wigeon
bradley is fine. safe from ammo in front, not super fast, well armed and armored
ivory pawn
If you’re in a tank, you turret the Bradley and out maneuver it.
jolly trench
If anything the Bradley needs a buff
I.e the atgms need to function like the BMP-2M where it doesn't need to reload
little wigeon
I.e the atgms need to function like the BMP-2M where it doesn't need to reload
give them less of a crazy firing delay would be my tweak if you wanted a buff
ivory pawn
I.e the atgms need to function like the BMP-2M where it doesn't need to reload
It does already
jolly trench
Oh wait fr?
novel spoke
“Just make everything shit and turn the game into Warzone plz”
broken cove
Bradley is meta with the new update,you basically get a very mobile ifv that almost has a health of tank,shit ton of HE and 2 best ATGMS in the game.The only downside is 70 ap.I think bradley is perfect where it is right now,fast,fat,deadly.
dusk crescent
Oh wait fr?
yes fixed in atgm update
frozen sleet
bradley is underpowered
long bane
Bradley is meta with the new update,you basically get a very mobile ifv that alm...
There are no good atgms currently, and it is lound and slow. Its average.
rugged laurel
yes fixed in atgm update
"fixed" and "atgm update" are 2 words that should not manage to go together but in this case I have to agree, although anoying that you have to fire all tows in order to rearm
dusk crescent
"fixed" and "atgm update" are 2 words that should not manage to go together but ...
This is fixed now as well
as of the most recent patch
broken cove
There are no good atgms currently, and it is lound and slow. Its average.
Have you played the bradley in UE5?its crazy agile now bro,and yes the american BGM71 IS the best tow because it can be actually very accurate at hitting targets without the bullshit shake like kornets and likewise atgms have
long bane
Have you played the bradley in UE5?its crazy agile now bro,and yes the american ...
No tracked vic is agile in UE5 due to bad breaking and turning performance, compared to wheeled IFVs
broken cove
Its two times as fast as it used to be and three times the speed of an abrams now
dusk crescent
Have you played the bradley in UE5?its crazy agile now bro,and yes the american ...
Laser guided missiles can be fired while still on the move and don't get caught on terrain. It's still a tradeoff, I wouldn't say Bradley's ATGMs are all that strong especially only having two of them
It's good if you can send two back to back, certainly
broken cove
Laser guided missiles can be fired while still on the move and don't get caught ...
You almost never fire a laser guided atgm on the move because they are atrociously shaky,i only ever saw it work once with a range of 101 shooting sharply upwards.Kinda a useless feature to have,id rather have shot accuracy then gamble every time firing on the move,besides they do get caught on terrain because you lose LOS of that laser you lose your missile
broken cove
Right.
dusk crescent
It's not about going full bore speed
But Bradley can't really do that. Has to stop, and ATGM requires time to switch to (unfolding mechanism)
broken cove
Has to stop is a good thing
dusk crescent
BMP2 can basically missile dump if the range is right and you have a good corner to play off
broken cove
BMP2 can basically missile dump if the range is right and you have a good corner...
Bmp2 CANNOT missile dump
dusk crescent
No launcher can ripple fire anymore.
broken cove
It can barely hit 1 missile and then reloads for another 15
dusk crescent
2M, apologies
broken cove
No launcher can ripple fire anymore.
BMP-2M can and BMD relatively decently good at it
broken cove
yeah its still an atgm
broken cove
Its like a 3 second reload
dusk crescent
BMP2M can
broken cove
Yeah thats the difference
dusk crescent
anyway this so beyond the point
broken cove
Thats why BMP-2M and M2A3 are the two goats of tracked ifvs
dusk crescent
Bradley ATGMs are not that powerful, wire is not less erratic than laser guided frankly
both are shit :^)
broken cove
Yeah cuz atgm rework
Is rather have the less shitty one
And call it the best of all shits
dusk crescent
If you think so. I wouldn't say either is better, they just have different utility.
They do the same damage, minor diff in penetration which isn't practically felt
broken cove
the difference is that the one is way more accurate while the second one is mildly better close range
dusk crescent
I think you're just wrong on that
broken cove
I mean at the of the day i think that Bradley is a top 1 tracked ifv
dusk crescent
Bradley ATGMs are not that powerful, wire is not less erratic than laser guided ...
hence why I said
neither is really more accurate than the other
just different behaviors
dusk crescent
I know how they function, perhaps user issue
broken cove
Lol
dusk crescent
you laugh but its true, both are equally shit accuracy in that either one is easy to miss with because of wobbly
broken cove
Ignorance is key
dusk crescent
ah yes, must be ignorant to have a different opinion :microwavebrain:
little wigeon
wire is a little easier at distance bc you don't have radius to hold.
laser is better with clutter.
both have strengths in different situations
dusk crescent
both missiles can be compensated for midflight but wire has RNG wobble where Laser has a predictable but oversized spiral
Accuracy isn't a stat you goon
broken cove
Accuracy isn't a stat you goon
dusk crescent
wire is a little easier at distance bc you don't have radius to hold.
laser is ...
this
little wigeon
laser can spiral to terrain, wire can sag into terrain and snap. sometimes both shit
dusk crescent
its basically just do you want:
- must stop
- long launcher readying
- wire can break on terrain
- more erratic wobbles
or: - can be launched while moving
- no launcher readying
- wide spiral
broken cove
Except more erratic wobbles is not a thing
dusk crescent
if you're familiar enough with the flight mechanics of either you can be as accurate with either
broken cove
And long launchers readying is a pre-fix
dusk crescent
yes it is, wire literally wobbles on rng
wire spirals predictably
it's too wide of a spiral, but it's predictable for certain
little wigeon
wire do be wobblin. bgm not as much as konk but it wobble
broken cove
since why you have to do a lot more to keep it consistent and actually hit your target
Because it either overshoots undershots or lands
little wigeon
you dont. just hold aim high away from terrain until the rocket is close. its literally that simple
dusk crescent
also true
broken cove
you dont. just hold aim high away from terrain until the rocket is close. its li...
when did i say anything about terrain
little wigeon
you dont. just hold aim high away from terrain until the rocket is close. its li...
you get some extra control authority when you move the rocket so this makes hits more consistent. less wobble in maneuver
dusk crescent
george is right
you'll hit more successfully with both if you can properly dunk it onto target
it's harder, but if you can do it consistently, it will behave better for it
little wigeon
when did i say anything about terrain
terrain should be why you're missing most of the time unless its a skill issue 🤷♂️
broken cove
I dont see how a spiral is better than a wobble.
little wigeon
thats not what im saying. im saying the difference doesn't really matter you can mitigate the wobble and spiral by snapping
broken cove
Spiral cannot be mitigated?what?
dusk crescent
the spiral is not as significant an effect on flight as direction to laser
little wigeon
spiral is significantly reduced when the rocket is turning
dusk crescent
think of spiral and wobble as "idle" animations
if you can prevent the missile from being "idle", they are not as significant
little wigeon
if i said wobble a lot i mean it interchangeably with spiral
broken cove
Wobble goes up down left right you go down up right left spiral is a fast circle that cannot be mitigated
dusk crescent
this is starting to get off topic tho
wrong twice
anyway point is
bradley TOWs are good, but they're not blatantly better than laser/redfor equivalents
it's a tradeoff
I would rather see other IFVs just brought to the bradley's level than to see the brad nerfed tbh
broken cove
I never said they are wildly better,all i said is that a BGM71 on a BRAD is better than a kornet on a BMP2 because of the firepower it outputs
and accuracy it has
dusk crescent
neither of those things are true
so
gg
they do the same damage, penetration difference is negligible in practice
little wigeon
and we said firepower is same besides ammo capacity which yeah duh and accuracy is not meaningfully different
dusk crescent
neither are more "accurate", just different flight models. you might find wire guided easier
and thats valid, but that doesn't make laser less accurate
re: don't nerf the bradley thats stupid
broken cove
re: don't nerf the bradley thats stupid
Agreed
dusk crescent
if anything it should get a proper reserve ammo pool
broken cove
🤝
dusk crescent
and other IFVs should have issues with them fixed to get them in line
remove overheat from BMPs or I riot
willow crater
@little wigeon when I was talking about ammo racking the Bradley from the front I believe the hull was angled down like in this picture. Never knew about the non pen plate
median oar
Seems all IFV have nopen behind engine, It's just that bradley have a gigantic engine.
The blue part in the circle probably should get removed
plush cloak
starts with AP and goes to HE once you're engined
He most likely ran out of AP
little wigeon
The blue part in the circle probably should get removed
if you remove those, EVERY IFV with an ammo rack gets 1 shot by the most mildly competent gunner. they're really important for survivability balance
median oar
if you remove those, EVERY IFV with an ammo rack gets 1 shot by the most mildly ...
It would be like ZBL08. BMD4M is probably the worst with no plate at all
little wigeon
It would be like ZBL08. BMD4M is probably the worst with no plate at all
bmd is definitely the worst. one of many reasons nobody plays vdv 
i could be down for slight changes that make skilled weakspots like zbl, but it also kinda makes sense for Bradley to get the extra survivability for the reduced mobility