#undo t-72/t-90 reverse speed buff

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safe crescent
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Dont over equalize tanks.. you can balance them via spawn timers, increasing Abrams ticket costs, (edited: fixing frag rounds to not do zero damage to light vics), buffing laser guided ATGMs to be less RNG (they do more dmg) etc.
T-72 does have a smaller silhouette and frag rounds, it is not completely inferior.

Im guessing you didnt want entire teams to suffer because of inferior tanks, but this is BF level of lazy balancing im sorry.

Besides, if reverse speed is such an issue you can add T-80, it has 8-11 km/h up from 4km/h :)

vestal lintel
safe crescent
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oh and 125mm frag rounds should still absolutely demolish trucks, light vics and choppers via overpressure - another way to counter balance instead of equalize

twilit wadi
safe crescent
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ingame frag does 0 (zero) dmg to any vics, which is unrealistic to say the least

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not gonna debate what does more dmg irl :)

wise wraith
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If there is one thing they need to equalize it would be the reload speed though

But Abrams is still OP because of it

vestal lintel
wise wraith
vestal lintel
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T62 is manual loaded 2 piece ammo not exactly fast

wise wraith
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You know, there is realism and there is balance

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Even if an Abrams does reload faster than a T72, it's not necessary to make it so ingame

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Abrams is just OP, and that's it

vestal lintel
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no its not

wise wraith
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It literaly is

vestal lintel
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have you tried getting first shot off?

wise wraith
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You literaly cannot loose any frontal engagement because your reload gives you a dps advantage

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First shot doesn't change anything to it

vestal lintel
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yea it does

wise wraith
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Nope bro lmao

vestal lintel
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just cause you dont know how to face a abrams doesnt mean it should be nerfed

wise wraith
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I dont know on what kind of copium you are

Even if the T72 gets the first shot + another 3 seconds before the Abrams, the Abrams will still shoot 4 shells faster than the T72

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The only engagements I ever lost as an Abrams is when I deadbrained pushed straight and got ammo racked.

As long as you cover your ammo rack you literaly never loose

vestal lintel
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Gun plate or gun sight you can and against a non braindead crew will lose

wise wraith
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That's just not how it works

vestal lintel
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do you just face check every tank you face or ambush/flank?

wise wraith
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A 1,5 sec advantage per reload translate into 6 seconds at 4th shots

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Basic math

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In a classic scenario when both tanks engage at roughly the same timing, all shells pens and no ammo, Abrams wins 100% cause of reload bias

vestal lintel
wise wraith
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It's so obviously OP i don't even know why you're trying to defend it

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And it's not chery picked

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That's easely 60% of the duels

vestal lintel
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99% of my engadgements against a abrams its a ambush

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use your brain

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and reload rate wont matter

wise wraith
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Good for you if you have an intel diff from your team

vestal lintel
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maybe bait the tank

wise wraith
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But do you realize how flawed your reasonning is ?

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Abrams is balanced because it loose in an ambush with no cover, aka the worst case scenario

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How can you talk balance if you chery pick an unbalanced scenario ?

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You're not making sense

vestal lintel
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yes and your in a T sieries tank Why would you EVER engadge a abrams in terms where its favored to win

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called being stupid as fuck

wise wraith
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Because you don't have a choice ?

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I mean

vestal lintel
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99% of the time you have a choice tf

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pick a spot dont move and bait the abrams and with 2-3 shots its dead

wise wraith
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In your reasonning you just assume you're better than the ennemy crew and manage to get an advantagous engagement

To talk balance in game, you have to work from the principle that both team have equal skills

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That's why you're not making sense

vestal lintel
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cause i win

wise wraith
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You're not even saying reload isn't op on Abrams, you're just saying you can work around it by beeing better.

Cool, but that's not the point.

The point is, in an equal scenario, Abrams is advantaged because of reload speed

vestal lintel
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your engadgeing it on favored terms ofc you will lose this is common sense

wise wraith
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If you're just an ego inflated self wonker than claims to wins 99% of the time, cool for you but then your opinion is not of any relevance, and I shall stop wasting my time with you

vestal lintel
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tallest tank in the game btw

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shoot the gun and it cant shoot back not hard

wise wraith
vestal lintel
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dont play pla enough

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shoot the gun and if you cant see it shoot the gun sight not hard maybe learn weakspots?

wise wraith
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Bro I have more than 1000 hours on MBT alone and a few dozens in training

I know the weak points

My basis for discussion was that both crew pens all their shots but no ammo rack

In which case, which isn't cherry picked at all but very common, the Abrams always win because even if it doesn't have the first shot and is late he will shoot 4 shots faster than its ennemy because of an obvious reload bias

That's it

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Also worth mentionning

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After 600 m the dmg falloff make it so 4 shots aren't enough to kill, you need 5

In which case the reload bias is an even worse issue

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Same for ammo racks, need 3 shots past 600 m instead of 2

merry pollen
urban surge
vestal lintel
urban surge
vestal lintel
simple verge
urban surge
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And the reload advantage is abritaty anyway. Removing this advantage would be healthy for balance, without making stuff up.

simple verge
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What would you suggest?

wise wraith
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You dont read at all do you

Just make the Abrams reload the same duration as every tank. That's it

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Also, saying someone is unemployed because he played 1000 hours of a game released 10 years ago just prove you're an idiot

simple verge
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Struck a nerve huh?

wise wraith
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I could play 2 hours a week for 8 years for all you know

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I'm not mad at you guessing right, cause you didn'nt

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Im mad at your 50 IQ remark

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Truely, didnt think about it for a second

simple verge
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“More than 1000 on mbt alone”

wise wraith
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Yea and ?

simple verge
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“Over 1000 hours”

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“On mbt alone”

wise wraith
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So ?

simple verge
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That’s a lot of parts of the game unaccounted for goober

wise wraith
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It could either means that represent 90% of the playtime or that means I played 10k hours

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But since you can't know

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Your remark was just stupid

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But anyway

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You're just another ragebaiter that didn't even properly read Shredder's answer despite merely beeing 3 lines long, so you're blocked

simple verge
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Employment is great for the ego, especially when you can’t compete with a Abram’s

wise wraith
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I'm sorry

simple verge
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That’s unbelievable cope

wise wraith
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But I'm very not patient with dumbasses

simple verge
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You’re a feisty one

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I like that

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Dm me sweety pie

safe crescent
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DUDES CHILLL OUT

merry pollen
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Which is a questionable choice to say the least. I definitely don't like it

wise wraith
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So a T72 has the same reverse as a Leopard ?

What a huge nerf to the leopard

merry pollen
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They even brought it over to all APCs and IFVs

wise wraith
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Yikes

merry pollen
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Idk 1:1 balancing is just lame for this kind of game. Theres no depth to figuring out any advantages or disadvantages if they continue down this route.

twilit wadi
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I just realised that

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Yeah that sucks

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Leo should be better then Soviet Tanks

wise wraith
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I am eager to see the realism nerds cope over the fact that the Abrams and Leopard have the same reverse as the soviet tanks which are notoriously known for their garbage reverse

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But it is fine.
If they keep releasing more soviet based factions, eventualy everyone will have AKs and T series tanks, so everyone will equaly use the same gear, balance problem solved

safe crescent
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while we at it lets buff AK family to 850 RPM fire rate to equalize it with M4s

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and when I scope in the reticle should be acog

simple verge
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We just need t80’s that would be sick

twilit wadi
obtuse meteor
calm grotto
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Imagine having different tanks for different nations, which have different playstyles, advantages and disadvantages

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Almost like it would make factions unique and different from each other