Allow 7.62x51/54mmR to One-Shot-Incapacitate (OHK) Torso Within 100m

[untold gate]

It doesn't make much sense that a G3 will OHK within 20m but an FN MAG or M110 SASS firing the same cartridge will do at most 87 HP of damage to the same target. The 20m rule also feels like an inconsistently applied half-measure that does not fully address the issue.

Giving all full-calibre weapon platforms a guaranteed OHK capability with a torso shot within 100m (more extreme option could be 300m) would give these weapons a seriously meaningful advantage over their more ergonomic and easier to use intermediate cartridge competitors. It would make MGs, DMRs and Battle Rifles significantly more viable and tangibly threatening knowing that it would take only one shot to put a player down. It would also buff across the board factions who rely heavily on this calibre for their weapon platforms.

This would provide a much more prominent pay off for dealing with 7.62-based platform's objectively inferior handling and It would solidify and emphasise their medium-long range superiority over intermediate cartridges.

The damage values for 7.62x51/54R seems somewhat arbitrary and could do with some refinement. This might prove an unpopular idea but It's more to see what people think of the current 7.62x51/54R damage value balance with an extreme suggestion to garner opinion.

[faint tree]

It doesn't make much sense that a G3 will OHK within 20m but an FN MAG or M110 SASS firing the same cartridge will do at most 87 HP of damage to the same target.
Yes!
guaranteed OHK capability with a torso shot within 300m
Dear god no!

[royal lion]

Yes it is def inconsistent, but jeez, 300m??? That's wild

[dim bronze]

I wish we could have slightly more granular damage model/system for character body parts.

[untold gate]

300m is probably a bit extreme for this game but i've played a lot of Post Scriptum (WW2 Squad) over the years and it's the norm for full power rounds to OHK up to 300m and further so it's just weird when that doesn't happen commonly here. and that game has infinitely more forgiving gunplay than Squad.

It could probably work fine within 100m for the context of Squad.

[untold gate]

i think upper chest/neck should probably be one shot because lungs/heart/neck but maybe that would take away from the importance of an aimed headshot i dunno

Allow 7.62x51/54mmR to One-Shot-Incapacitate (OHK) Torso Within 100m

[wheat blaze]

the addition of the one hit kill had nothing to do with the weapons caliber. it was introduced to compensate for the horrible handling of battle rifles during the ico playtests and it stayed like that until now.

since then the handling has improved and it will improve further if the ue5 gunplay is not changed so imo they should either remove the one hit kill and just give the guns very high damage or the current damage should be applied to all weapons with the same/similar caliber (762x51/7.62x54r)

[violet briar]

I think the best solution is just give every 7.62 the same one hit kill within whatever it is now. Simple as

[faint tree]

Well, not 7.62x39. But x51mm+ yes.

Regardless of whether or what to do about the OHK, it's odd for BRs, DMRs, and MGs all firing the same round have drastically different damage profiles

[dim bronze]

Yeah, I'm more along the lines of models like with Vic's; HP levels relative to the limb/part with passthrough to the next bit.
So a head or neck for eg would have relatively low HP, but torso, legs would be higher, maybe arms, feet and hands in the middle somewhere.
So not one-shotting, but hitting 'vulnerable' parts.

[burnt sparrow]

In PS that is all bolt actions or similarly slow-firing rifles that need 1hko to keep up with the viability of smaller caliber automatics

If you apply that same logic to Squad where a G3 or MPT-76 is not that much less effective at throwing tons of lead downrange quick compared to a 5.56 AR which has a 2-3hit ko, then you will massively overbalance 7.62x51 type rifles

The damage model pre-ICO was perfectly fine... I don't know why the devs are wasting their time tweaking what doesn't need to be tweaked

[violet briar]

Yes I meant by 51 sorry

[violet briar]

MEA was easily one of the LEAST played factions pre-ICO here in Australia

it definitely needed SOME kind of buff, but you could well argue its too much currently

I have no problem with more weapons having higher damage models for chest shots tho

[worn wren]

The system is already is capable of being granular, it just isn't used much.
There are values to control base damage, the multiple for hitting different areas of the body, when the damage falloff from range begins and ends, and the likelihood of damage causing bleeding. All of that can be done on a per weapon (or per caliber, indirectly) basis.

Everything they need to differentiate weapon damage exists.

[burnt sparrow]

MEA was played about the same as other factions with similarly limited layer selection. Remember we didn't have the option to choose faction on maps prior to 7.2 way after the ICO.

Sure MEA was less popular but it wasn't bad by any means

Play rate before most servers switched to the new voting system meant very little tbh

[violet briar]

I’m not gonna argue with you I’m just telling you how it is, in Aussie servers, admins would straight up skip MEA layers or leave them out of rotation.
And you saying “it wasn’t bad” really doesn’t mean anything. The popularity speaks for itself.

[worn wren]

I don't think its a popularity thing if the admins skip the layers.

[violet briar]

They did it cause it would kill servers

So yeah, it is

[worn wren]

most factions "kill servers" outside USA/RGF/USMC.

[violet briar]

Yeah cause they’re less popular