WPMC vehicle and weapon overhaul

[sage shuttle]

too many random ARs to replace M4 with magpul, magpul AR is fine
otherwise sure I wouldn't be opposed

generally

[somber cipher]

The Magpul ar should be given to a cartel Faction

https://discord.com/channels/91294111071469568/1390820346893963314

[sage shuttle]

I think magpul AKs should replace zenit

[sage shuttle]

eh disagree

[somber cipher]

Magpul is ugly

[somber cipher]

Strike industries is better though

[somber cipher]

Seems the Magpul fans showed up

[clever ermine]

copium

[somber cipher]

Til You cant compile your suggestions

[clever ermine]

still copium

[somber cipher]

In what way you Azov fanboy

[clever ermine]

copium too

[somber cipher]

How is calling out your questionable belifes copium

[clever ermine]

no copium

[somber cipher]

So you want a unconventional faction that tries to be a conventional faction but falls flat on its face

Cause thats what the current PMC faction is

It desprately needs a rework

[clever ermine]

still better than your suggestion

no tank = no win

[somber cipher]

Bruh

They were orginally not supposed to have tanks

[clever ermine]

and

this is game

without tank you will lose

[somber cipher]

And FPV drones dont make up for it?

Stronger AT doesnt make up for it?

[clever ermine]

no

[clever ermine]

no

[somber cipher]

Who cares?

[clever ermine]

you care now

[somber cipher]

I dont

The PMC faction sucks

[clever ermine]

with your suggestion it will suck more

[somber cipher]

It wont

You asshole

[clever ermine]

it will

[somber cipher]

God

You are an asshole

[clever ermine]

dont cry

[somber cipher]

I aint

Im just saying the truth here

You didnt give my suggestion a chance

[pseudo charm]

Nobody cares. This is a different Thread.

OP has viable suggestions. Tanks dont win Games. They consolidate Wins that are already happening.

Now unless you have meaningful input it would be better to just leave the Topic.

[somber cipher]

Thank you

[bitter spruce]

The M60T does need to go

And add the M1117 90mm

And there are games that are won without the use of MBT's 💯

People that cry "no tank = no win" are the same people that cry about tracked logi's

Also get rid of the air strike

If they're fighting the US Army or the USMC they shouldn't have an air strike command asset

[somber cipher]

I have it on there 🙏

[buoyant hull]

tracked logis are dogshit my man

[dense bane]

I call bullshit on that. The people who cry "No tank = no win" are people who only play tanks, The people who cry about tracked logis are everyone else

[tulip trout]

Tbh ddm4 would be good to replace the 101 with. Its iconic, and when would blackwater ever carry anything from izhmash

[sage shuttle]

PMCs did loads of stuff with AKs they were just never Russian
Always some other flavour of European or American

I'd support a changed AK that's not all zenitco

[pallid wasp]

Need ARMS rails on our rifles

[somber cipher]

Regardless the game needs to be less tank focused

[somber cipher]

OWI shouldn't have been scared to make the PMC an entire light infantry faction

Without a tank

In its current state the PMC faction has a confused identity

It's an unconventional faction forced into being a conventional faction

And it can't do either

It's weapons also don't make much sense, the Magpul M4s/M16s should be moved to a different faction while DD, KAC, and SCAR Ls should take their place

Too much of their gear is copy pasted

It's boring

[somber cipher]

And before anyone points out that the KAC and DD M4s would still be a copy paste, at least they wouldn't be an eyesore to look at

Like I'm sorry Magpul is ugly as hell

[pallid wasp]

Consider: ARMS rails like earlier GWOT

[sage shuttle]

Magpul is fine and it's there already

[somber cipher]

Thats also not a bad idea

[somber cipher]

It looks so ass though

[sage shuttle]

not really

[pallid wasp]

It does

[sage shuttle]

could be worse

[pallid wasp]

Magpul couldn’t make something that doesn’t look like dogwater to save their lives

[sage shuttle]

lmao

lmaooo

[somber cipher]

Magpul looks like painted nerf guns

[zealous kayak]

This is false, USMC light inf unit can win without tanks

[bitter spruce]

Just played a game yesterday as the WPMC and won without taking the MBT out of main

[bitter spruce]

it's the same mindset

[buoyant hull]

Its the direct opposite

[somber cipher]

I wana see some people here argue in favor of the current PMC faction

[buoyant hull]

WPMC is fine. Does not need tons of random new guns.

Also doesn't really need all those vics, don't see what they'd realistically contribute.

WPMC is not top tier, and that is fine.

[somber cipher]

They don't really need a tank though

[buoyant hull]

They should get 3-4 tanks imo

And tracked logis

[somber cipher]

Why would a P<C have tanks

[valid plover]

Because other factions have tanks and even Wagner PMC have tank

[somber cipher]

Okay but this faction is inspired off black water which didnt use tanks and was more of a QRF

And just because other factions have it aint a good excuse

By that logic should the US army have handheld drones

[valid plover]

True, but even Blackwater in Iraq used tanks, but very little.

[somber cipher]

They didnt

[valid plover]

yea why not

[somber cipher]

So The convential faction should have unconventional stuff

Your fine with the US essentially having no downsides?

[valid plover]

no they do but most of blackwater was doing is Protecting officials and transporting funds

[somber cipher]

Show me an image of a Blackwater operated tank then

If it was something they did

[valid plover]

In my opinion, the US Army should get the new SIG MCX SPEAR. Assault rifle

[somber cipher]

Thats a video game screenshot from that Wii game Black Water made

[valid plover]

with the m4

[somber cipher]

And the other is from Tankfest

Dude

[valid plover]

because what i say before they dont fight big Battles their job is Protecting officials and transporting mony

[somber cipher]

Wait until the army cans it in a year

[valid plover]

No they will not cancel it it will be with the m4 as the main weapon a lot of people liked this and requested it in the US army

[somber cipher]

M10 Crews loved the vehicled and look where it is now

Point is why does every faction need a tank

Especially unconventional?

[valid plover]

Let's put it on par with the rest of the factions.

[somber cipher]

And it can do that with really strong AT?

[valid plover]

and why you would remove ak101 the best thing that owi do in thier life

[somber cipher]

Can you read?

Im not asking for the AK-101 to be removed

Im asking for Western furniture on the AK-101s

[valid plover]

What is the difference they look similar

[valid plover]

is this 1 use ak47 bullets 7.62x39

[somber cipher]

Holy shit I KNOW

These are the images of what Strikes Product looks like on an AK-103 which is similar to an AK-101

[valid plover]

In my opinion, WPMC does not need to be changed in terms of assault rifles.

[somber cipher]

Magpul is ugly as shit and the Zentico should be saved for a wagner faction

Y'all have no taste

KAC looks better

[valid plover]

i will give you something more cool for wpmc

replaces the mp5 for Crewman and pilot with M4 simon offense the mp5 should be for MEA crewman and pilot

and replace the black humvie with this ATLAS APC
CIVILIAN EDITION (BLACK)

[somber cipher]

We should have longer DD guns

[buoyant hull]

longer sucks

[somber cipher]

It doesnt

[buoyant hull]

would need to compensate for longer guns with more mbts tbh

[valid plover]

we have M16 Wormpool

[valid plover]

this should be for ukraine faction

[somber cipher]

And it looks ugly

[valid plover]

it not that ugly i see it nice

[buoyant hull]

Wormpool best gun

[valid plover]

i see them look good

[somber cipher]

Magpul looks like nerf guns

[valid plover]

this will be so cool

[somber cipher]

And why cant they use Caimans alongside their humvees?

[valid plover]

will be so cool with Cadillac car

[somber cipher]

Its not a bad idea

[valid plover]

thank you so much

[somber cipher]

But It shouldnt replace their humvees

[valid plover]

Many factions have Humvees and the Ukrainian faction should get a Humvee and this Atlas armored vehicle looks very nice

[somber cipher]

Why are we balancing around a potential Ukrainian faction that might not even happen

[buoyant hull]

normal matv will suffice

[valid plover]

Many people are asking for it and it won the vote between Germany, France and Japan.

[somber cipher]

That vote was rigged

[valid plover]

1160 votes people love Ukraine even I am not from Ukraine and I love Ukraine

[somber cipher]

It was rigged

people posted it in Ukraine groups to get it mass voted

[valid plover]

who that happen

[valid plover]

hahaha np bro people love it

[valid plover]

im sure the same happen with germany

[somber cipher]

If they add Ukraine it better be something like this

No M4s, No Leopards, Domestic gear/upgrades should be the priority

[valid plover]

so good

[somber cipher]

Okay so you agree

[valid plover]

and this

[somber cipher]

FUCK OFF

No

Give it to PMC

[valid plover]

bro they have M16 Wormpool

[somber cipher]

Remove it

The Magpul weapons are ugly

[valid plover]

they have m4 wormpool and so many m4

[valid plover]

bro they add it to PMC they cant remove 2 guns bc that

[somber cipher]

They can

Replace them with the much better looking KAC or DD m4s

[valid plover]

M4 Wormpool
M16 Wormpool

[somber cipher]

And they're ugly

[valid plover]

Ukraine uses this a lot.
Daniel Defense, M4
KAC SR-15

[valid plover]

not that much i see them good and normal

[somber cipher]

Ukraine doesnt need M4s. Hate to say it the real life Ukrainian military is boring

It should be a fiction Ukraine where their Military Industry took off

[valid plover]

they use m4 so much
Daniel Defense, M4
KAC SR-15
and other like this

[somber cipher]

Then Ukraine would become another US copy and Paste

[valid plover]

they get it from the west

[valid plover]

not that much they have ak74

[somber cipher]

Uuuuughhh

I dont even know why I bother at this point

Fine

You get your shitty Ukraine faction thats just a copy and paste of the US with some aks in there

Only a faction people will play cause of larping reasons and not because its an interesting faction

You want that?

[valid plover]

i was think you with ukraine side

[somber cipher]

I want a Ukrainian faction that is interesting

Not a US copy and paste like so many other people want

[valid plover]

yea give them the most cool guns

[valid plover]

bro ukraine have the US guns

[somber cipher]

Did you not understand what I said earlier? If a Ukrainian is added to the game the best option should be a scenario where their domestic military industry took off

I.e a Ukraine that has next to no western gear

[valid plover]

My brother, Ukraine is currently in a difficult situation and its local industry is not flourishing. It is taking weapons from Europe and NATO.

[somber cipher]

OHM MY

DUDE I AM SUGGESTING A FICTIONAL UKRAINE FACTION ESSENTIALLY

I have said that multiple times now

One where their Military industry took off and they have a bunch of domestic gear

[valid plover]

My brother, the Squad game is realistic, and people want something as close to reality as possible. This will be better, trust me.

[somber cipher]

No it wont

The playerbase is stupid and wants a copy and paste US faction

[valid plover]

This is your opinion

[somber cipher]

Dog if it's just gonna be the US with a different coat of paint people will stop playing the faction in a year

[valid plover]

This is your opinion. I have never seen in my life an American soldier using an AK74.

[somber cipher]

OH MY GOD

JUST

PLEASE

READ WHAT I HAVE WROTE

[valid plover]

i read it Calm down

[somber cipher]

I feel like a broken record here

I am simply suggesting a Ukrainian faction thats actually unique instead of the boring real Ukrainian military that all use M4s and couple of AKs and are covered in multicam

[valid plover]

This is your opinion and I do not agree with it. I like realism.

[somber cipher]

Sometimes realism is boring

[somber cipher]

Especially if it causes factions to feel the same

Sorry that I dont want samey feeling factions

[valid plover]

np bro i like realism more your idea good

[tulip trout]

Pmc doesnt need more tanks, they need emplaced mortars back. Giving them only a truck was big L

[valid plover]

yea they dont need more tank m60 is good

[somber cipher]

No it's not

The PMC doesn't need tanks

[somber cipher]

And I think we should experiment with factions that dont have tanks

[buoyant hull]

It needs a lot

[somber cipher]

Yeah they def need some scars in there too

[somber cipher]

God I spent time arguing with the stupid Isis guy again

[frosty coral]

Yes. Remove the Best stuff lol

[somber cipher]

What best stuff

[frosty coral]

Gl

[somber cipher]

Did you not read any of the other images

I just want it replaced with the Milkor

And not have it be a c&p of the turkish one

[frosty coral]

Its the exact same fking thing gameplay wise lmao

[somber cipher]

I know

I just want them to have their own unique model

[frosty coral]

BRUH

[somber cipher]

?

[somber cipher]

Is that a bad thing?

[clever ermine]

Maybe you need to check emojis under your post

[somber cipher]

The player base is stupid dog. This faction uses an unreasonable amount of copy paste equipment that it's a question to why they even made the faction

But no players want another faction that plays exactly like the others

Except with minute differences that don't really change all that much

Every faction has to have an MBT even when it doesn't make sense

Heaven forbid we experiment with different play styles and what not, no every faction has to play like US or Russia and if it doesn't it has to pushed aside cause some people can't be half assed to learn how to have a different play style

It's always meta this or meta that

[clever ermine]

well well well

[somber cipher]

What

[clever ermine]

you are not "player base"?

[somber cipher]

I am fucking sick of you dude

You meta players are what will be the death of the game

"im gonna bring up no points whatsoever except tanks good and that their ugly copy and paste weapons are also good"

[sage shuttle]

kinda arrogant to think that the problem is them being stupid
and not like
your idea
have you considered that

I mean I don't care either way I just think that it's kinda like, an odd way to look at things

[somber cipher]

I have and alot of people elsewhere think its generally a good idea to actually commit to the QRF, fast attack force

Instead of this weird pseudo conventional force that doesnt feel all that fun to play with

Also again the meta players are essentially killing this game

Who dont want to adapt to a different playstyle at all

[frosty coral]

I’ll answer you here

@somber cipher

[somber cipher]

k

[frosty coral]

Pretty much all the cool stuff on page 1 is what you want to remove.

The AK is just way too clean and plays very nice

Same with the M4 style rifle

[somber cipher]

Im mostly suggesting visiual changes for those two rifles

[frosty coral]

Ehh. Imo Not worth the effort then

[somber cipher]

I mostly think Zenitco proudcts should be saved for more redfor factions if you get what I mean?