More Command assets

[grim lotus]

In my opinion the commander could have a lot more assets to make him more useful.
As of now, the commander can only do something every 15 Minutes and his options are very limited.

There are many option that would give the commander so much more options for the field for example:

-Cluster ammunition from an airstrike or artillery
-Laser guided ammunition from the drone or an airstrike (before the introduction of laser guidance) they could be aimed with a camera on the vehicle (the drone/aircraft).
That would give the commander more variety in his assets to attack enemy´s

-supply drops from a cargo plane, a cargo plane could fly over a FOB and drop a large amount of supplies, either chosen by the commander or premade, with a flight path made by the commander with the ability to shoot it down before dropping the supplies.

-calling in non respawning vehicle like: Tanks (only 1), light Vehicles perhaps with Tows/RWS or open top, supplies trucks or other vehicles map specific.
That way the commander could balance the playing field for example: if the team voted for Air assault and the enemy has an armored battalion and the team needs more armor or rather anti-armor vehicles, the command could call in another Tank or Tow cars to deal with them, the possibilities would be endless.

[idle acorn]

Honestly sound cool, especially with supplies airdrop, could be really useful in a situation when it is impossible to deliver any supplies via logi vehicles

[keen geyser]

Supply drop would requier supply crates, with that you can effectively do the same with a heli so no to supply drop commander asset.

If its a commander asset you basically have 0 risk to dropping supplies on a position so even if they get destroyed team doesnt lose anything.

[young stirrup]

All these ideas would probably be viable after cmd overhaul

[keen geyser]

Not the supply drop one like I mentioned, its a risk free way to deploy a FOB and personally dont think that is a good way of doing it

[idle acorn]

You can always put a risk to it, as it was mentioned before, youll be able to shoot the plane down before it drops anything, you can easily put 15-25 tickets there, and there you go, you have a risk

[young stirrup]

Nah, I still think any asset should be based on points. Points you get from capturing and holding objectives over time.

So a supply drop would only have the* consequence of deducting points which would be required to call in any other airstrike or artillery

But as I said, they're all viable only when the entire commander system is reworked

[keen geyser]

Or just dont have a gimmick cmd callin like supply drop, we have helis for that

[young stirrup]

Not if you're a mechanized or armored faction

[keen geyser]

Only armored doesnt get helis

[young stirrup]

Besides, it's a good way to have a quick supply drop in a remote area if everything else is destroyed

[young stirrup]

My point still stands

[keen geyser]

Its an ass mechanic and risk free

[young stirrup]

Re-read what I said

[keen geyser]

Again i do not agree with having a commander ability to drop a supply crate

[idle acorn]

Wouldnt say its ass, and its going to be just cool to add some new interesting mechanics to the game

[keen geyser]

So if a team loses all of their logistics vics they get awarded with a magic supply crate that can be dropped anywhere on the map

Ass mechanic

[young stirrup]

To each their own, but the "risk free" would be changed if it'd be destroyable like a crate.

[keen geyser]

Literally a crutch for shitty teams that cant keep their logis safe

[young stirrup]

In turn they'd lose "cmd points" to call in airstrike or artillery.

[keen geyser]

Fuck them cmd points, SQ44 already has the best commander mechanics and should just copy that shit over to Squad

[young stirrup]

Yeah ... well, game is mostly pubs. Most of which are clueless to tactics anyway.

[keen geyser]

Thats not a really good argument

Making the game easier again for players that refuse to learn

[young stirrup]

Only it is, I'm not gonna entertain the ppl that are willing to throw the entire game risking essential vehicles.

But that's besides the point

[keen geyser]

But you trust a commander to drop supplies where you need them

[young stirrup]

Because that's mostly myself

[keen geyser]

Ah now we get to the abusing the mechanic part, you can literally drop yourself a supply crate where you want it and then build it

This is why commander in Squad is ass compared to Squad44

[young stirrup]

That's the reason not to have it in game? Because it can be used to build your own shit? What ...

[keen geyser]

You are giving yourself a free FOB

[young stirrup]

Almost as comparable to the MSV honestly

[keen geyser]

Your cmd points are still risk free

You do not get punished other than “oh you gotta wait a lil longer for that CAS now”

[young stirrup]

You're overthinking it, do you really think ppl wouldn't notice a massive crate with a chute attached to it landing someplace?

[keen geyser]

MSV is worth 20 tickets your supply crate is worth some cmd points

[young stirrup]

And a fob if they build one

[keen geyser]

Yeah if

It is still risk free

[young stirrup]

And if they don't build one, the opposing team can blow it up

There you go, solved the problem

[keen geyser]

And your team doesnt get punished making it risk free yes

We do not need a supply drop call in

We need supply crates for logis and helis

[young stirrup]

The only consequence would be less points to call in an airstrike or artillery

Which is not nothing

[keen geyser]

Just proving my point

You gotta wait a bit longer to call in other shit

Supply crates for helis and logis > parachute supplies from CMD

[young stirrup]

But we haven't discussed how to implement it

How many points it's worth etc

[keen geyser]

And for your comment about armored not getting helis, thats the tradeoff for armored

You get armor and firepower but you lose the air mobility

[keen geyser]

Tbf i dont even want to discuss that because i dont want it in the game

[young stirrup]

Just because it's overpowered and there's no "consequence" to it, it's a bad idea?

When we haven't even talked about how to implement it in order to balance it out with other things

[keen geyser]

No i think its a stupid commander ability in general

[young stirrup]

If it was up to me, I'd remove the entire cmd system. But that's my opinion

[keen geyser]

With physical supply crates helis do exact same job and better because they can do it far more often

[keen geyser]

And I respect your opinion but I dont agree with it

[young stirrup]

Ok well, I said what I needed to.

[keen geyser]

CMD in my opinion should be only 1 person and not a squad and should be similar to Squad44 commander that has multiple jets and arty options + UAV that can be moved around if needed not just on 1 path

[keen geyser]

🤝

[grim lotus]

You also have no risk in using the UAV, should it be removed because of that? Obviously no.

Saying that there is no risk is false, the risk would be that you used the wrong commander action when another one would be needed.

[keen geyser]

There is a risk of your UAV getting shot down and getting a longer cooldown

Dropping supplies is risk free since idk who in their mind would look for a plane dropping supplies in time

Dropping supplies is a bad mechanic and I stand by it now im done with the topic

[grim lotus]

To quote yourself: "even if they get destroyed team doesnt lose anything."

[keen geyser]

They lose the ability of a recon UAV

Dropping supplies they dont lose anything since they still have logis and helis

And again im done with the topic so please stop tagging me

[daring crater]

Could see having an armed UAV and unarmed UAV, unarmed being the normal timing and armed being simillar to the airstrike timer.

Supply drop i think could be cool but it would have to be a slow chute and noticeable that its coming in (even still require players to interact with it when it comes in to unload) and be limited on how much supplies it has. even then only on the large maps. Should also be an aircraft that could get shot down

[west pelican]

Yeah god forbid subfactions have unique benefits