servers create crazy rules. is this normal?

[solid blade]

So.... what is the suggestion here?

[copper ledge]

The Mk19 had an incredibly long range in the game with a spread of about 50 meters, and in the game it is very easy to calculate the distance to any target. This turns this weapon into a real imba. The Hail fires at a shorter distance than the Mk19! Just think about it! Fortunately, this is now prohibited.

And yes. Servers can create any rules as long as it does not contradict the rules of the developers themselves.

[orchid grotto]

No they cant, all servers have to follow standard OWI rules from the COC to have a liscence, servers can have different rules to cater gameplay to what they like and OWI cant remove their liscence for that

[atomic wolf]

Yeah, this just sounds like a rule that these servers want to implement,
Like how some servers say you can't mine or camp between last point & main.
OR, 2x crewmen required for armor
OR, 3x members for locked squads,
OR, Playing active objectives,
OR, 1x mortar squad per team.
OR, HAT Can not be in Armor squad.

This rule aligns similar to what the rest are.

[boreal elbow]

From what I know of the situation, this has become necessary in some communities because of the prevalence of third-party crosshairs that make using these weapons/emplacements as reliable longrange indirect fire options more viable than the devs intended.

If a server wants to ban this use they are within their license restrictions to do so.

[tepid cedar]

mk19 with custom sights is completely broken so it's ok

[main steeple]

Servers can make rules as they want

There is even anarchy servers

Thats non of your business

[dire basin]

Wrong, all servers have to follow OWIs server administration guidelines.

[main steeple]

And what are these OWI guidelines?

These servers do this restrictions to avoid cheating

A lot of players use another programs to shoot MK19 for 10km with radius of 2 m

Perhaps, this is normal?

Even if guy doesn’t use cheats

He is almost invincible

Standing somewhere

And shooting

He can just shoot on enemy positions and kill a lot of people

I think OWI must simply cut the range for these things

[atomic wolf]

https://www.joinsquad.com/server-licensing-and-administration-policies

https://www.joinsquad.com/community-server-ban-faqs

https://www.joinsquad.com/code-of-conduct

[brisk pebble]

people who don't have the creativity to come up with new ideas shouldn't be destroying other's ideas.

[solid blade]

Huh??

About what creative idea are we talking

[brisk pebble]

There are more people complaining and wanting something they personally feel is too overpowered nerfed or erased because it hurts their feelings rather than coming up with ways new creative ways of balancing that are constructive.

[tepid cedar]

I hate it too when people just dislike abuse of game mechanics with 3rd party software instead of coming up with creative ways of "balancing" it

[brisk pebble]

so hes using a mk19 indirectly? you call that abuse of game mechanics? if so bro's just crying.

[main steeple]

No thats ok that weapon can be used indirectly, problem is that players get crazy, as I showed on a picture before

Just google the maximum range of Mk19 in real life

[peak stratus]

1.5km in direct fire, 2.2km indirect fire

In squads, distances are short, so its logical

OWI could balance the indirect fire accuracy for a 10-15m radius

[little idol]

Servers create crazy rules all the time

I once played on a server that had name claim
I named my squad “uh-60” as squad 1
It got disbanded… I thought “that’s wierd” renamed squad “uh-60” again as squad 1. Again got disbanded I thought “I must be getting disbanded cuz I’m missing the M”
“Uh-60M”…
Again disbanded I thought “screw it I’ll just call my squad a random name and claim the Heli”
Did so than had admins in my ear telling me I didn’t have claim
Told admins I named my squad “uh-60” twice and “uh-60M” once and all three times it got disbanded I
Admin proceeded to tell me if I wanted to claim I had to name my squad…. “Heli”….
There rules were I had to be vague in order to claim a Vic even tho I was being 100% clear on what I was claiming😐

So yeah servers create crazy rules it’s normal

[peak stratus]

Had the same, its because they have a bot for squad name claim, and the bot is light so they didn't want to put all of the vehicle names in it, so they just stick with MBT, HELI, IFV, etc...

[little idol]

Lazy imo

Had a server have a rule that had “first names squad has claim” but than an extra rule that if “two squads named the same go for first come first serve” so im squad 3 and 10 mins later a squad 15 joins both of us named uh-60 and he got the Heli and admins said that he got claim cuz it turned into FCFS cuz it was “easier for admins to handle tickets if it was ruled this way”

[peak stratus]

The thing is, you have to make rules that are easy to read, easy to enforce (admin/bot), and prevent exploit. One way or the other, you'll alway have one of these things that is not respected. If you want easy to read and easy to enforce, you'll have exploit, if you wan't easy to enforce and prevent exploit you'll have long rules with lot of exceptions and details, but they wont be easy to read so less people will take time to read them....

[glad ledge]

Man all this administrative oversight, if only there was a way to rule vehicle claiming easily... oh wait

[little idol]

Simple name claim

[glad ledge]

Even name claim gets hectic

FCFS with a PTFO enforcement

[unborn elbow]

If only the game literally already had a claim system

Also PTFO rules blow. They sound good in theory but you end up getting warned by overzealous admins while you’re fighting for their radio.

[glad ledge]

PTFO rules is literally, hey we see you are sitting at main at a Bradley while also waiting for the tank to spawn, don't do that.

[boreal elbow]

I have seen PTFO rules used very differently...

[glad ledge]

I wonder what servers or regions you play on, it sounds horrid

[little idol]

Name claim isn’t hard if a server has BM as they can see when both parties made the squad. Fcfs is “good” but it can turn into 7 players all fighting for the 1 Heli which takes people away from the fight

[glad ledge]

The issue with name claim is that it requires an admin to adjudicate

But otherwise its usually very good

[unborn elbow]

That’s not what they are at all. Hogging claim is a separate issue from PTFO.

Name claim is garbage because

1. admins in game won’t always check BM until you’re both disputing the claim making resolution lengthier than it needs to be
2. the claim system already exists; go spawn and walk up to the vehicle.

7 pilots rarely ever happens. It’s not a real problem. Name claim doesn’t fix it. They just leave the server when they don’t get what they wanted anyway.

[glad ledge]

I happy that you explained how PTFO rules work on the server i staff on

[little idol]

Idk my issue with FCFS is like I said 5+ people fighting over one Vic for sometimes 20 mins. That takes bodies away from the fight
Also I’ve played on servers which start problems with people claiming a Vic if the Heli pilot got out to repair it 😂

[autumn crow]

I much prefer name claim as it results in more consistent teamwork and easier planning. FCFS is chaos only

[little idol]

I couldn’t agree more

[glad ledge]

Depends on the server and community

Another it depends answer, but from going to a server where you had to administrate claim issues constantly because any claim issue was caused by a brand new player to a server where as long as they don't one man, it's fine and not really chaos.

If the players are of sound mind, it doesn't matter if squad 1 or 2 gets the vehicle, as long as they are communicating and working as a team, it's fine.

And if some cunt is waiting at main for 5 minutes, they're AFK! Get someone who's fun isn't so fragile that it relies on getting a specific vehicle.

Also claim rules is inherently biased to people with better rigs.

I knew a guy who purchased a Samsung 990 Pro, just put Squad on it, to get tank claim.

I think it's preference, rather than one actually being better.

[glad ledge]

In summary, sounds like a community of toxic immature people that you are dealing with, my condolences.

[unborn elbow]

Sorry to explain the commonly used interpretations of the rules in this community?

We don’t have PTFO but hogging a claim at main still gets actioned. That’s not generally how the PTFO rules are enforced.

As you already mentioned this is more likely to be enforced via AFK rules. PTFO is more generally used to enforce allowed areas, sometimes against superFOBing gorodok radio tower while it’s a west lane, or going behind lines/main camping.

PTFO doesn’t even solve the 7 pilots problem, so I’m really not sure why you reacted this way.

[unborn elbow]

Best NA teamwork server is FCFS

Name claim doesn’t create or encourage teamwork.

[glad ledge]

Fairo

Was more in comment of people standing at base trying to get claim

And that behaviour suddenly disappears on servers where people are more competent and less specialised (read: more competent and more competent)

[unborn elbow]

Part of it is cultivating a community of teamwork focused regulars, absolutely. But the behavior doesn’t just evaporate, and we get new players all the time.

Of course, we occasionally have some folks who insist on trying to snag an asset. I’ve had people try to walk up while I wait for the heli to spawn and try to steal it, too.

[glad ledge]

And thats a part of the game

To have the anoamlies join

[unborn elbow]

For sure. It happens! I just think the problem is a little overstated.
Even outside of our regulars main hours, we rarely have multiple crews waiting for a single vehicle on delayed spawn!

It’s not that it never happens, but it’s a lot less common than people make out. Perhaps more common in the noobiest of noob servers like potato fields lol.

[little idol]

Some servers have set up squadjs to allow members to make a squad 15 second after match start to allow people to load in and if you try to make a squad prior to count down ending it is auto disbanded and if you keep doing it you could be auto kicked for squad spamming

[glad ledge]

Thats an interesting way to implement it

[little idol]

I disagree 1000%
I’ve played on FCFS and it causes nothing but bitterness as you get those match’s with 5 pilot all trying to get one Heli

Name claim I’d argue has more team work as I’ve played on servers where no one claims the tank so it turns into Fcfs for those Vic’s that aren’t claimed

[little idol]

Baja boys is doing it and it’s great

[little idol]

Unless your stating a great NA server is Fcfs

[unborn elbow]

That is what I said.

[little idol]

All good I just woke up I read it backwards

[unborn elbow]

Name claim is not any more teamwork oriented. They’re just different ways of playing asset lottery

[unborn elbow]

I sure do love implementing all this just to get 80% of the assets working the exact same way they do in FCFS, while simultaneously preventing nonasset squads to be created until an arbitrary time

[little idol]

you have 1 squad or person on the vic and not 4 fighting over it leaving more infantry fighting for points thus making it more teamwork oriented

[unborn elbow]

You’re making a lot of assumptions with this statement like that those people would suddenly decide to be useful if only name claim existed.

People who are willing to stand around and scratch their balls for 15 minutes or more for asset are more likely to leave the server when they don’t get the claim they want than they would decide to go play infantry.

Like I said, best NA teamwork server is FCFS. Doesn’t have these problems on the regular. The claim system has nothing to do with teamwork.

[dire basin]

It promotes teamplay so far that it allows vic squads to do more stuff for the team, because they dont have to be at main at an exact time.
If I take a BTR while waiting for a tank ona FCFS server, it often happens that I have to turn down requests from the team, because I have to be at main in time. On a name claim server I can take a detour to pick a squad up and get it to the objective, on a FCFS server they have to walk

[unborn elbow]

Imagined scenario, again makes a ton of assumptions.

It assumes someone must be waiting to take it from you. It assumes you’re a better crew than the supposed evil guys who might take it if you’re not there. It assumes that your team is better off with the tank sitting unused.

Again, the best NA server for teamwork is FCFS. It doesn’t have these problems.

People still generally respect named squads.

[dire basin]

Thats an assumption, imagined scenario

[unborn elbow]

Rarely do you ever need to sit and wait at main. Most tank crews are doing exactly what you say.

It is imagined. Who the fuck needs a transport in the first 10?

[dire basin]

Backcap rushed by enemy APC, squad lost its logi. Common scenario

for example

[unborn elbow]

Oh, and where are you going to head to pick them up?

Where do they respawn so early with no HABs?

[dire basin]

Rally?

Do you even play the game lol?

[unborn elbow]

What back cap squad has a rally off point that isn’t squashed by the aforementioned APC

Why would that rally be far enough that they would need transport

[dire basin]

What?

[unborn elbow]

This is such a contrived and stupid example. It makes no sense. Take your BTR and go fight the APC.

[dire basin]

I think you did not even understand the scenario properly that I pointed out.

[unborn elbow]

No, you didn’t use arcane language.

It’s obvious, it’s just tremendously dumb.

[dire basin]

Anyway, I know you are bored and want to start an unnecessary discussion about minor details not related to the issue. I am not and I dont have the time right now. So you have to look for someone else for that.

[unborn elbow]

Oh yeah, I’m talking about minor details and wasting time here. Sure. As you took the time to write a paragraph scenario about how FCFS is somehow flawed teamwork destroying bad guy rule.

[dire basin]

🤡

[unborn elbow]

“I have no response! Quick, clown emoji”

Brilliant work from the ever eloquent Der

[dire basin]

Praise the Spere, it is the answer to everything

[unborn elbow]

Try being less of a selfish player going forward. It’s okay if another squad takes the tank because you’re out being useful. You’re spiting your team and that squad to turn down important requests like addressing an APC harassing backcappers.

Part of why FCFS is better is it attracts less petulant and selfish players who think they deserve the toy and while claiming they’re totally there for teamwork

[dire basin]

You are participating in this discussion to participate in the discussion, not to seriously contest arguments. I dont care about that right now.

Have a good day.

[unborn elbow]

Yes, I am the one not participating seriously. I forgot clown emoji was the height of debate.

[dire basin]

🤡

[unborn elbow]

Classy Der does it again. Always a pleasure

[unborn elbow]

Name claim defense so often requires such a self-centered viewpoint. It assumes there are bad actors out there waiting to take advantage at any moment. That you are the good guy who deserves it more. Who would blame you for such aggressive defense of ‘your claim’ if this was true?

But it is not. Our FCFS server is proof enough. Most players do respect name claim. Most players will find something else to do when they see a squad named for the asset they like. Rarely does anyone sit at main twiddling thumbs instead of finding a way to be useful for the spawn delay. The community alone can manage these behaviors as returning players develop a reputation.

[autumn crow]

I prefer name claim as I already said. I do also play frequently on a server that has FCFS but with respectful players...out of 10 servers i frequent this is the only one that it works on. AS we play online there is 100% of the time going to be someone who ruins a game....

[unborn elbow]

So the one FCFS server you play on it works? 100% success rate

[autumn crow]

No, someone always comes along to ruin an otherwise good game because they can.

That last sentence is fact... not opinion. The internet is what it is.

[unborn elbow]

Again I demonstrate the paranoid and self centered view. Always someone out to get you.

[autumn crow]

Have you played online? I rest my case...

[unborn elbow]

Projecting your fear and in turn being one of the problems

[autumn crow]

You can have an opinion btw....but I disagree and am bored of this...

[unborn elbow]

Yes, as I said I play on an FCFS server. Turns out it’s online, I just found out.

Seriously give it a shot, you might find the issue is not as prevalent as it appears.

Just come in understanding that sometimes someone else wins the lotto too. Leave ego at the door. Teamwork is better there than the rest of NA.

[little idol]

The fact you said people respect named squads just supports our claims that name claim is better than FCFS 😂

[unborn elbow]

How would that prove it at all? There are many more downsides to name claim.

The point is that it's not just piranhas waiting to steal your precious tank at all times.

Most people are respectful!

[little idol]

You just like being a keyboard warrior on here all the time don’t you 😂

https://tenor.com/view/piano-bruce-almighty-keyboard-keyboard-warrior-fast-typing-gif-3416345

[unborn elbow]

"I have nothing important to say time to meme and gif"

o7

[little idol]

Says the one arguing about Fcfs and how it’s “teamwork” orientated. Just cuz one server is good at it doesn’t me the new player friendly ones are 😂

[glad ledge]

This is just a shitfight, there's probably no one answer that's correct

Because it's up to so many variables

What what the original post about? 😅

[unborn elbow]

No, dipshit. The name claim side is the one arguing that it is more teamwork oriented.

Neither is more teamwork oriented. It's a different way of playing the lottery.

Seriously one of the least fun people to talk to of any in this discord because of the complete inability to follow a discussion

[little idol]

Bro no one else is argueing that Fcfs is superior you got 3 other dudes all saying name claim 😂

I’ve seen you argue on here like it’s your job on so many posts but I’m the one who’s the dipshit 😂

[unborn elbow]

Yes, you are a moron.