Reduce Gun Sway When Aiming Down Sights

[quiet bison]

Responsiveness in ICO times is a m4 556 has a recoil like being a POAW guy weighing 50kg as a male

100% they are just wait

You are a number guy

[grave spear]

How much longer? Because it has been a whole year so far.

[quiet bison]

Which is normal because „new players come by and test the game for a few months“

But yo a** and mine was here much longer in this game before ICO

so what’s the point strap man

You win for a short period „new players“ but who don’t really stay

They don’t even know and care about updates

[grave spear]

So it is normal that the game keeps breaking its peak player counts while increasing average player counts, while people leave?

[quiet bison]

Game engine etc squad had it flavor

[grave spear]

What makes you think people aren't staying?
I mean at some point the line should start going down.

[quiet bison]

You trust numbers too much 🤣

After a „update“

Just wait

You don’t see the other side how many said this isn’t it

ICO changed too much instantly

Without showing or preparing

But hey you know what

??????

[grave spear]

You have to trust the numbers when discussing players counts, because no one is going to be able to hand count the number of players.

[quiet bison]

2027…..

A R M A 4

🍝🍝🍝🍝🍝

So you have 2. more years to lick on ICO

[grave spear]

I'm confused as to how and why ARMA 4 came up.

[quiet bison]

You forgot what I told you about arma

[grave spear]

I remember, but what does it have to do with this conversation?

[ocean glacier]

Yeah just play the RNG and hope for the best

[light magnet]

🤓☝️

[grave spear]

👀

[torpid granite]

The best thing is, we, the olympians 2025, will not complain about the changes. 😄

[vernal sinew]

Dang so much for "Not changing making big ICO changes"

"Make Weapons feel more responsive overall" is a huge change

[forest tartan]

this is singlehandedly best change it doesnt make sense you have to wait to stabilise gun for 3s at full stamina after walking

[vernal sinew]

Crazy that people just want to stop moving and ADS and shoot without waiting for 10 seconds

[vernal sinew]

Super use-full feedback and criticism, thank you

[uncut basin]

its not feedback, its joke about our defenders of invalid combat

[uncut basin]

there are guys who answer skill issue for every ico thread. this is a joke image about them

[vernal sinew]

Ah i see

[proper plank]

@quiet bison i got the patch notes selling 2$ per line

[quiet bison]

I got them before you mate thanks for your offer

Time to remove these ICO boys

[lusty gorge]

It’s not our fault when someone boldly displays the skill issue. Not every critique of ICO is a skill issue tho. Using that just shows you don’t understand the opposite side tbh

Wanting changes is fine, most of us have advocated for some of the very changes that are incoming.

But if you spam useless critique like “revert ICO” and post clips missing every shot in your mag then you’re gonna get clowned on.

[uncut basin]

so there is no revert ico spam a long ago, but skill issue clowns still there, and it means that THEY are dont want to understand opposite opinion

thats it

[lusty gorge]

Are you kidding or do you just not read islambek’s posts

I would understand if you didn’t, the boy is a rambler

[uncut basin]

half of them i saw and dont remember delete ICO screams. Many toxic troll messages - Yes

[lusty gorge]

He could run a campaign on revert ICO, that was his whole schtick.

There was no nuance of conversation with him.

[uncut basin]

so no negative in this situation

[lusty gorge]

Hell, we only recently moved on from suppression being vaseline-eyes

It’s not like this conversation has been detailed from detractors. Just hatemail echochambers

[uncut basin]

dont get

[lusty gorge]

Up until a few months ago the discussion around ICO was all noodle arms and vaseline in your eyes

They want the whole package reverted

The main arguments against it being “my soldier is fat now” or some dumb shit like that

[uncut basin]

Suppression effect must be equal to X scopes and collimators. Or being reworked, thats my take

[proper plank]

Eh to be fair ico itself was kind of a skill issue they shrunk the skill gap cause turbos were farming too hard

[lusty gorge]

Eh, ceiling didn’t lower though. Just other skills became emphasized so skill levels did drop initially

But yes suppression was a way to give nubs a use

[proper plank]

Naw ceiling definitely lowered as pro farmers were already doing those other skillsmaxxing

[lusty gorge]

You were punished harder for being unprepared. You could get away with a lot more just by having good reactions and flicks pre that wasn’t relevant any longer.

There were definitely annoyances getting used to the changes and required you to play much more cautiously which does have its downsides

But the good players are still able to carry rounds—but less so off of aimskill alone.

Regardless though, I’m glad they’re moving away from that stupid crutch on the PR pips and stability

I think we can all be happy about the reduced destabilization from movement

[proper plank]

Basically the skill floor was higher there was a bare minimum amount of aimskill required but it wasnt a lot. Flicks could do you well in a lobby of pubbies with low aim skill but it was the last line of defence in a good player pyramid
Most good players avoid cqb when possible to the high trade percentage. The amoint of flick shots in actual comp matches was decidedly low since it was all good players and kills were usually decided far before the reaction test phase.

Ico didnt add any new mechanics that were difficult but conquerable to increase any skill gaps just removed aspects which is why the skill gap itself shrunk. Dont sprint a lot and dont move arent hard tasks to pull off.

[uncut basin]

all i want.

its just funny, when you decide to supress bushes as a milsim joke, but you literally cant land a 50m multiple shots in one bush when you ads walking, so suppression effect doesnt work because of it.

[lusty gorge]

There’s more than that that I want

Guess that makes me more anti-ICO than you 😎

[honest forum]

tbf the chracter be swinging the gun around like its their penis trying to control it

[grave spear]

"so there is no revert ico spam a long ago, but skill issue clowns still there, and* it means that THEY are dont want to understand opposite opinion***"

I think all the people you're talking about understand the other side's opinions, but understanding is distinct from agreement. All of us at one point or another have said "X should be adjusted," and/or "Y shoudn't be a thing."

I say "skill issue" to the situations/videos where the problem is clearly the player. If you put up a video of you playing a mod with no ICO and miss 17 shots in a row while A-D spamming, if you walk yourself off of roof accidentally and die to fall damage, if you press the reload key by accident while running across the street and die; those are all skill issues. ICO can't reach into modded gameplay and make you miss your shots, push you off a ledge, or press buttons on your keyboard; those are on the player 100%.

[visual latch]

More then one year and ico gunplay is still a mess , .....hopefully ceeg deliver something on 11.11. , what can make both sides happy.

[torpid granite]

This, but there is also the issue of comparison. RO and ArmA are the only games that i can think of with similar gun behaviour compared to ICO. Well there is also Trespasser lol. Excluding VR stuff obviously. All other games follow a simple formula that deviates very little. So 15 years of having fun in any other game leaves a blueprint for fun. Lile Transformers movies. Explosion was cool 50 years ago and its now even better, therefore all movies that are hard to watch are unfun, because no explosion=no fun. And its borderline impossible to change someones habit and experience if the person doesnt want to.

[proper plank]

But at the same time sometimes paths arent tread because lazy its because they arent fun. Different doesnt always mean good.

[torpid granite]

Its because it works and sells. Why complicate it and risk it, you want masses.

[lusty gorge]

It'd be like Michael Bay directing an A24 film.

Different audiences want different experiences.

[foggy dew]

Arma III has good sway mechanics I feel like, since you can also use different platforms for support which lowers your sway. I wish Reforger had something similar, but the sway in Reforger is really little and the mounting system is a little janky

[grave spear]

Different doesn't mean good, but it also doesn't mean bad either.
I think it makes it a lot less believable when people say, "I don't want game X" if they're constantly saying, "Well game X does it like this so Squad should do it too." Same applies for people who complain about Squad not being more like ARMA.

[quiet bison]

Arnodildow , poaw strap head man , pickachu man nvvy back at it again

Never shot a rifle … their hands never touched even a weapon … these types of s**y boys talking about recoil or sway or suppression

Incredible … where time brought us arguing with some guys who wanna sell us Vaseline eyes and wobble gobble realistic gun play

Leave this alone they saying the new suppression gave a nub a new duty 🤣🤣🤣

They never adress a smart change to ICO they wanna sell us ICO is perfect …

What about the suppression Vaseline eyes getting interrupted if you scope in

[quiet bison]

What about this

There is so many guys here bringing so good informative arguments about ICO

None of these s*y boys is bringing a change

If you ask them it’s perfect

[proper plank]

Some people just want a 1st person version of xcom theyre just too scared to say so

[quiet bison]

Let’s see what this guy CEEG will show us in future … I told poaw weeks ago get ready for changes

He didn’t wanted to believe me

[proper plank]

Well there was that big leak about how melees getting buffed so we got that at least

[quiet bison]

I told them weeks ago months ago all they can say it’s calling everybody out with “skill issue” while I was the one here showing videos of perfect ICO wobble gobble gameplay

[quiet bison]

It’s not about leaks here poaw nvvy arnodildow etc they will see that this isn’t going this way or at least not continuing like this

Just wait a bit more … Vaseline eyes and tarded gun play will come to an end … we never wanted running and gunning we never wanted assassins creed jumping and sliding … but we never deserved the shitty ICO gunplay like the current state

[grave spear]

You forgot which one of us said that.

[grave spear]

I also really hope the characters you replaced with asterisks aren't "ex."

[proper plank]

well there's 2 of them so yeah that seems the obvious choice.

well we get to see those 8.2 patch notes in 6 days so it's a comin

[flat gorge]

people who think ICO is perfect how it is they’re delusional

[quiet bison]

You feel touched ?

[visual latch]

2 more days until ceeg will hopefully leak ico 2.0

[proper plank]

Nov 20 8.2 launches patch notes on the 19th

[uncut basin]

wdym, update patch note will realise 13 nov?

[wanton skiff]

what???

[proper plank]

yeah bro didn't you know?

[visual latch]

To u have some source ? I only heard about the halloween stream

[proper plank]

? Yeah of course I got source

I also leaked the last release date if you don't believe use the search function you'll see

[uncut basin]

nope

[grave spear]

They're removing a bunch of suppression effects, and upping movement speed/stamina regen.

[frozen sun]

You dislike other people spreading false information to the point that youll enter an hour long debate. So why do it yourself?

[lusty gorge]

Because it’s funny.

[grave spear]

Because that is clearly a joke.

[quiet bison]

UE5 gun fight tuning

🎅🎁

Santa is comming

Donald is already here but let’s wait for another Donald

Enough with this wobble gobble BS and Vaseline eye sockets

[grave spear]

They're removing suppression blur.

[quiet bison]

I don’t trust none of you

Anything what comes out of you

[grave spear]

They're also increasing movement speed, and stamina regen.

[quiet bison]

Let’s see if Donald is making the game a man’s game how it was or still stupidly whacked it like ICO

[grave spear]

They're decreasing fall damage as well.

[quiet bison]

Vaseline eyes 🤣🤣🤣 and Parkinson shooting

Imagine man 5m wobble gobble shooting hip fire or aiming

„… but it’s a 7.62x39mm man „ 💀💀💀

HAHAHHAA

9mm Pistol …. 💀💀💀

MG ? 💀💀💀💀

„……It’s realistic…..“

„ But squad isn’t meant to be realistic „

[grave spear]

MG's are having their recoil reduced and are going back to 2 MOA dispersion.

[quiet bison]

Says the guy who never touched a weapon lord have mercy

Your time will come

[grave spear]

I wasn't the one who said that.

[quiet bison]

Every V will get F‘ed one day

Trust me the time is comming

You and all others arnodildow nvvy pickachu boy

Etc. Etc

You gonna be back here arguing with us

How squad faded away

For you

Because none normal player who enjoyed this game

Loved ICO like you

Because you are special

And for special guys like you we gonna find you a new game

[grave spear]

I do have an actual question:
Why do always talk about gay sex and seeing other men in a sexual manner?

[quiet bison]

You will get me in trouble soya

It’s time to leave

For me

Have a nice day

I don’t like your tactics

It’s not my kind of style

I have a thick skin a huge tolerances not like you

So I just back up for my safety not to get into trouble with a softy

Because softies like you make this here not communicative or call it what ever

You still not man enough when I asked you soemthing and you didn’t replied to it but arguing about stupid stuff like this … you are a softy with nasty tactics … you’re lucky because it’s the internet a safe world for guys like you

Remember this even it’s me or you nobody care the F About any opinion here

Sorry that I said man idk what you are I just assume it

God bless you see you end of December for the news 📰

[visual latch]

8.2 will have a new feature , it will disappear all of this pokemons

[grave spear]

nvvy is the pokemon guy

I'm the statistics guy/scientist/archivist for @quiet bison

[torpid granite]

what if we keep playing? 😄

[frozen sun]

Dont get too excited.
Baron said in the Q&A live stream a while back that individual domains of the ICO will be addressed individually.
This update will make some minor changes to guns that will improve the ability to shoot after maneuvering.
Nothing else has been confirmed so nothing else is coming.

[torpid granite]

My bet is less misalignment when full stamina, faster or less fiddly ads, maybe faster ads movement, maybe less ads sway when moving. Stuff that makes you wait weird amounts of time.

[frozen sun]

And those words out of your mouth...

[torpid granite]

What do you mean? 😄

[remote solstice]

1 more day 👀

[remote solstice]

Oh my god Christmas came early

I'm rocking with all that tbh

[proper plank]

yep any second now they're gonna light up announcements

fo sho

[remote solstice]

It ain't the 13th tho?

[remote solstice]

😂😂😂

[proper plank]

we'll see usually they do the patch notes a day early

[torpid granite]

It will be on the 13th to commemorate 13% knife speed increase

[remote solstice]

I see what you mean about islambek @grave spear he definitely makes some "colorful" arguments

[remote solstice]

It seems like sometimes you'd oppose arguments for these changes being made

But fuck it all in the past, I'm just excited for squad

[torpid granite]

I dont get any benefit from opposing changes. I can only try to understand and explain to those who oppose everything thats new. If the changes dont suit me, i will simply stop playing and do something else.

[quiet bison]

You can save the game somehow in ICO only and invite these soyboys like poaw and co to play with you

We ain’t gonna miss you

Here at all

[quiet bison]

Another colorful outing like poaw 🤣 lawwwdddd have mercy leave us alone with that topic

Let’s hope for fixed gun fights no more ICO wobble gobble … boys and gurls … Santa is comming