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visual verge
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RE: British.
We dont use the M72 LAW at all. It was the M72A9 (HE Warhead) and was out like candy from old stock to be used as a wall buster in Afganistan/Iraq. Then we got the AT4 CS for that role.

Actual AT in the British military is:
Squad/Section LAT = NLAW
Squad/Section HAT= Javelin

OWI will never implement Javelin so the BAF will continue to be shit with all of its strengths removed but weaknesses included.

stuck meteor
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Also it seems the brits used the L1A1 AND the M72A9 in afghan. You can tell the difference by the yellow band (yellow band = M72A9, No yellow band = L1A1 LAW) @visual verge

visual verge
# visual verge

The picture on the right is from the British Army website. We literally do not use any AT systems other than the NLAW or Javelin.

stuck meteor
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yeah i know

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but you used to

visual verge
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True, the L1A1 was brought out of storage from the 91 gulfwar

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I doubt you will be able to find a picture of a L1A1 in use when multicam was issued though...

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OWI need to have a serious think of how the want to have the BAF. Right now its just a mess.

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I agree remove the M72 and the AT4.

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You could have:
HAT Javelin
LAT NLAW
Alt LAT Matador AS
Or
HAT NLAW
LAT NLAW
Alt LAT Matador AS

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The TOW emplacement is the most out of place bit of kit, we had literally thousands and thousands of Milans pre 06-07 so either use a Milan emplacement, have a Javelin emplacement or have none at all and extra NLAWs like you said.

pure wolf
visual verge
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Was literally about to type that out myself

pure wolf
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Irl doesn't mean shit and that's a pretty bad way to make up for having bad armor

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Don't know but having the lat be an nlaw would be pretty broken especially if they were to get a javelin as a hat

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When did brits stop using the law or at4

visual verge
visual verge
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Because OWI wont implement that anyway

pure wolf
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I wasn't critiquing what you said just the part about having a hat kit as javelin and lat as nlaw

visual verge
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Exactly

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The NLAW is already nerfed 😅

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I honestly think @stuck meteor has it right just get rid of the LATs and have more NLAWs to compensate for the Warrior.

unborn cypress
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Or you just buff the warrior so it's playable.

visual verge
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Also get rid of the emplacement TOW or at least swap it to a Milan

visual verge
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Turkey doesnt have a HAT so why should the BAF have a LAT

unborn cypress
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Because the LAT is a more important kit than HAT.

visual verge
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So the NLAW is the LAT

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Solved

unborn cypress
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And it does LAT damage?

visual verge
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Not the BAFs fault everyone else LAT is shit

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Everyones IFVs are better than the warrior...

fading cypress
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Honestly Britain getting a bunch of HATs would spice it up, but it would probably also result in enemy armour getting absolutely gangbanged by infantry AT.

visual verge
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Asymetrical balance

unborn cypress
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The asymetrical balance is the warrior playing completley differently from the others and brits having no close range optics.

visual verge
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Nah

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We dont issue LATs

unborn cypress
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If you made the the warrior actually good but still unique the faction is more interesting.

visual verge
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So why have them at all

fading cypress
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Because they're a critical role in this game?

visual verge
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Remove the TOW, bring on the extra NLAWs

unborn cypress
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That's just a buff because the TOW is situational.

visual verge
fading cypress
visual verge
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Next generation LIGHT ANTITANK Weapon

visual verge
unborn cypress
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You can re-jig the AT roles and have maybe 4-5 N-LAWs doing about 50-75% more damage than the LATs currently do as a fire support kit then 2-3 Javelins doing HAT damage as the specialist role.

visual verge
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They will never implement a Javelin

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This is the biggest issue with the BAF

unborn cypress
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They've modelled it and are discussing adding it but for some reason they think it'd be unbalanced.

visual verge
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I doubt it will happen

unborn cypress
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In how you play AT atm it wouldn't even be that good.

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Since it requires a lock on and there's plenty of areas in the game where it wouldn't connect. You could also just limit the range, etc.

fading cypress
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40mm HEDP isn't DP in this game.

visual verge
unborn cypress
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The only reason they'd add it is if it could top attack.

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If it was only direct fire it'd already be in the game.

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To?

visual verge
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BAF

fading cypress
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And I'm saying replacing the LATs with like 5 HATs would result in armour getting properly gangbanged.

valid cedar
unborn cypress
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Without a warrior buff that'd still suck for the regular units.

visual verge
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Exactly

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Its asymetrical balance

valid cedar
# unborn cypress So?

Those things all have serious balance ramifications, especially since several conventional factions don't have access to equivalent (or near equivalent) systems.

visual verge
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You mean like the BAF dont get a ATGM car

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Or ATGM ifv

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No way

unborn cypress
fading cypress
valid cedar
visual verge
valid cedar
# visual verge Ofc what does that have to do with anything i said though?

Because what you said implied that balance isn't a concern because BAF lack other systems, despite the constant complaints about the BAF as a faction (suggesting that it does matter when factions lack equivalent systems), or that the Javelin would be a needed correction (which doesn't apply to the other factions that use it, the USMC and USA).

unborn cypress
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Asymmetric equipment is good as long as the equipment is good and the factions end with a roughly equivalent power level.

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The warrior is not good.

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Turks losing their HAT and having meh armour is made up by... getting an MGL. Not worth it.

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Militia is a good asymmetric faction. They lack optics and have weaker vehicles but they usually get more vehicles, get cheaper and unique buildables, get loads of close range infantry AT and have really good close range guns.

visual verge
# valid cedar Because what you said implied that balance isn't a concern because BAF lack othe...

Think you have the wrong end of the stick.
What im getting at is prior to 2006 BAF had a full range of ATGM vehicles and Emplacements ALL of them were scrapped when the Javelin was brought into service and the NLAW handed around at squad level.

So ingame the BAF have no IFV with atgm, no atgm car and the ifvs gun is shit. The infantry are running around with M72s and AT4s the BAF never used too.

So unless we introduce the Javelin and have it fireable from land rovers/emplacements whatever they will always be unbalanced against another side as they are lacking a key piece of AT kit.

The infantry are issued NLAW at section level 2 per squad, im not suggesting every squad get one but this needs to be increased to balance the lack of a decent IFV.

This creates asymetrical balance.

valid cedar
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I think it'd be fine to give the BAF Milans or w/e.
The BAF used M72s and AT4s in the time frame Squad loosely follows.
But I think the Javelin would likely be an overcorrection to very specific issues with their IFVs, and require changes to to AT infantry versus vehicle balance in general if it was made available.

visual verge
unborn cypress
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The lower pen won't matter except vs the front of the T-62 and the sides of tanks.

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Cus tank sides have loads of armour for some reason.

vernal minnow
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The problem with realistic balancing is that weight and damage isn't considered. LAW is the weakest and lightest launcher.
LAW weight around 3kg and AT4 7kg. You should get 2 LAW for each AT4.

The same problem exists for MAAWS vs RPG-7 Tandem. Why do 84mm MAAWS get the low caliber velocity but have the same damage as 105mm RPG-7 Tandem.

dreamy ridge
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For the majority of situations, a competent warrior UA crew can and should be able to beat pretty much any other IFV in a head to head fight

If not, it's just a skill issue (I really hate the phrase but it's true)

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Bro what are you even on

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4-5 NLAW for combined arms british would make them by far the best anti-tank faction in the game lol

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And not in a fun way

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You'd need to nerf the NLAW and make it slightly stronger than a LAT (probably around the same damage as a tank shot?)

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But 6-7 for air assault is mental

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Don't forget that BAF has arguably the strongest or second strongest MBT in the game in terms of anti-armor

dreamy ridge
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Since when does PMC air get 6 HATs? I thought it was 4 HATs

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Well that's also ridiculous and should be nerfed