OPTIMIZATION REQUESTS

[frigid gale]

and what you said in response to my original message was clearly not useful

[carmine tree]

Actually, my messages are useful because they add context and facts that most people ignore. I’m explaining why FPS drops after an engine upgrade like UE5 are expected, how to differentiate between real game bugs and hardware limits, and why calling the game ‘poorly optimized’ for that reason is misleading. That’s not just opinion—it’s based on engine mechanics, patch notes, and observable player data.I’m acknowledging that some users may have worse experiences, but my point is helping the discussion by separating drama from facts. If helping people understand why they’re seeing lower FPS counts as useful, then I’ve contributed more than just complaining, which seems to be the majority of posts here.

[frigid gale]

why are you using chat gpt for your arguments

[carmine tree]

Using ChatGPT, what’s next… accusing me of cheating at life because I can explain FPS drops better than you?

[frigid gale]

you are using chat gpt, It doesn't show you are typing in the channel and your english is differentiating between messages

[carmine tree]

My English might vary between messages because, surprise, people don’t talk like robots. who could've tought of that

[frigid gale]

my argument was never about fps drops it was just about your useless message, remember you were the one that agreed with me in the first place

[carmine tree]

And english is not my native

but i am trying my best , unlike you

[frigid gale]

what ever makes you happy

have a good day

[carmine tree]

I agreed on your statement that no one is actually reading patch notes

I agreed with you once, ''so now I win’' ahh move. Sure, I agreed at first-but that was before the conversation actually had context and facts added. My point is , people will complain about anything, let that sink in.

There always will be crybabies that will find even the tinies bug and call this the end of the world.

Everything is exaggerated

[frigid gale]

english isn't your native language and judging by what you have said in response to me I don't think you understand what I am trying to say, even after repeating it several times

So just for next time if I am trying to help someone please don't come in with a silly message that doesn't provide any assistance

even if it means you agree with me

[carmine tree]

So even if I agree with you, my explanation of context and facts counts as ‘silly’ and ‘unhelpful’ unless your word is the only one here ? Interesting logic. Well guess what Sherlock, you are in a discord server and you can't tell people to shut up and not participate in the conversation. God forbid people live in a democracy and expressing their oppinions.
I understood your point perfectly, which is why I addressed it with actual reasoning about UE5, hardware limits, and player complaints. I guess providing clarity and perspective now qualifies as trolling.

[frigid gale]

this message was not helpful

that is the message im talking about

all the other stuff you said, cool, some valid points

[carmine tree]

Sure, it’s cheeky - but it was pointing out a fact: most people complain without reading patch notes or instructions. The humor doesn’t make the observation any less true. If pointing out reality counts as ‘not helpful,’ then apparently constructive honesty is now considered as ''offensive''

[carmine tree]

Also we are pissed off from hearing people complains about problems that doesn't exist, it's what I was tryna say. Maybe that's why I answered like that.

[frigid gale]

yea well you have to deal with it

you dont actually have to read it

you can ignore it

[carmine tree]

how can you ignore every 19/20 messages

[frigid gale]

by clicking off of the squad discord server

[carmine tree]

I am actually here in this chat about real problems with the game and all I am hearing about is ''mY FpS iS LoW SiR''. So yeah , I am not clicking off any buttons

[frigid gale]

alright but helping is more useful then a silly message

[carmine tree]

define silly message

[frigid gale]

[carmine tree]

what's so silly about it , can you elaborate

[clever crest]

That's the realest problem, they intended to rebuild the game to make it more viable but released it way earlier than needed and cut of a large part of the player base. And there's no short-term way to fix the problem now....

[carmine tree]

That's the reason for UE5 upgrade - for better coding and actually being able to fix the game.

[clever crest]

The idea was that the code launches with eu5

For the most part at least

[carmine tree]

Well Rockstar's idea was to release GTA 6 this year but you see - they delay it for 11th time. But they delay a multi billion game , not squad with 6 million players. Also we can't compare rockstar huge company to OWI

[clever crest]

Sure they can upgrade or what not. But it was meant to launch with a good framework(new framework was built by yandere dev)

[frigid gale]

you're being sarcastic and posting a image of a goblin crying

you cant tell you were being serious

[carmine tree]

I'll tell you what - game companies DOES lie. Hardware companies - they lie too. Everyone is lying in this world ^^

[clever crest]

Squad wouldn't fall off if they delayed it more, it wasn't a life or death situation

[clever crest]

So? Thats a problem and rn it's the biggest problem with squad

[carmine tree]

So posting a meme and being sarcastic automatically makes my point invalid? Interesting. The ‘goblin crying’ was just illustrating the drama I was talking about - it supports my argument that people complain about nothing. You can call it silly, I call it visual context. And yes, I was being serious about the actual issue

[carmine tree]

Nvidia also lied about their 5000 series gpu performance, but people still buying it. If you are judging by the 2000 mixed reviews from yesterday - this is not a point.It means nothing.

[clever crest]

What's your point here? We need to hold them accountable and talk about problems??! You can't just say ahh well they all lie

[carmine tree]

But they do lie ? Aren't they ? Everyone does. How could you hold them accountable ,all you can do is boycot the game I guess

[frigid gale]

alright whatever man 😂

[carmine tree]

I mean , it is what it is 😄

[clever crest]

So we just shouldn't recognize that bad performance is an issue, just because they lie.. Also we aren't boycotting the game they are boycotting us 😭

[carmine tree]

Recognizing the issue doesn't have anything to do with agreeing the overblown drama... I mean , yeah , they are not saints rn in the player's eyes but what can you do...

[clever crest]

It's not overblown, it's the worst corporate decision in the history of squad

[carmine tree]

The move to UE5 was necessary because UE4 lacked some of the tools developers needed to fix long-standing issues. Naturally, upgrading to a more advanced engine comes with some performance cost, but it also enables improvements in graphics, gameplay mechanics, and future updates. I guess this decision is about long-term benefits for the game rather than a short-term problem for some players. Even if the game isn’t ‘perfect’ yet, switching early allows the developers to start fixing core issues. Probably waiting longer would only delay those improvements and could make it harder to adapt existing systems later. Who knows , there should be a reason for anything. I don't think they did this for money, did they ? The game costs the same as before

They did what they did - there is no going back , wheter people like it or not...

We should somehow accept that fact and not overthink it.

[clever crest]

They needed to cooked their code for eu5 more, this way they released an unoptimized pile of garbage which might get optimized who nows when, and with all of the changes the switch was probably made to appeal to the COD refugee player base which they got by falsely marketing the game in the first place..

And that player base brought them, and will bring them money..

Neither the game nor the community was ready for the switch, they were probably pressured by the looming BF6 and general unhappiness with squad...

And now there's no going back...

[carmine tree]

it may feels premature, but releasing early on UE5 isn’t automatically a failure. Engine switches always require adaptation, and initial performance drops are expected. The developers likely prioritized moving to UE5 to access tools.As for attracting new players, yes, expanding the audience can generate revenue—but that doesn’t negate the technical reasoning behind the switch. UE5 enables improvements that weren’t possible in UE4, which benefits all players eventually, not just newcomers.
but that’s exactly why they had to do it now. The longer they stayed on UE4, the harder and riskier the transition would become, especially with BF6 on the horizon. UE5 is the future, and switching sooner rather than later lets them start building on it, even if it means short-term pain.
I definitely don't claim that it's their smartest move - but it is what it is..as you said there is no coming back.

Personally I also preordered BF6 (70$ for god sake...) , but that doesn't mean that I will spend more time there , than here.

[clever crest]

You can develop EU5 squad without switching? Long term benefits don't really matter when you scammed a large portion of your player base out of the game...

And for the it is what it is part, it's not because OWI has a history of money centered decisions... Which is why we need to apply pressure so that their next move doesn't completely wreck the game

[carmine tree]

You can’t fully develop and ship Squad on UE5 without switching the live branch eventually. Running two parallel builds (UE4 & UE5) isn’t sustainable for a small studio-it doubles QA, patching, bug tracking, and costs. That’s why most studios bite the bullet and move the main game once UE5 builds are playable. On the other hand , If they never switched, people would be calling Squad sooner or later - a dead game stuck on old tech

[carmine tree]

Btw , I don't really care about OWI decisions - if their product is good I will buy it even if it costs 150$

When I like something - I will do anything to get it , if it's worth it.

About the players that bought the game in the last couple of months or a year -- yeah , they should be compensated if you ask me... It's not fair buying the game yesterday ,running it - and tomorrow you wake up with update that ruins your experience. It's just not fair.

[clever crest]

What does this have to do with anything? And you will care when they do stupid shit which affect YOU(like they have)

[clever crest]

That's not gonna happen, that's the issue

[carmine tree]

For 2 years I am really happy with Squad , no matter the bugs or anything . The experience you get in this game for ME personally is amazing. There is no other game like this one

I don't get ''ARMA'' as an answer , please.

😄

ARMA is also a good game - but nah , it's not mine.

[clever crest]

That's great but you can't pretend thet there isn't a problem next to you and be like "the leopards won't eat my face..."

[carmine tree]

I dont want to sound stupid ,but I do not see any major problems with the game itslef and its gameplay.I see bugs and issues in multi billion games ,but that doesn't make them bad in any way

[clever crest]

It doesnt work for a large part of the community... It's either laggy or not playable rn at all

You don't see them cause you probably have a great rig....

[carmine tree]

They should do a report tool about the community's hardware specs

[visual rain]

is that not the point of this?

[carmine tree]

I bet my balls that 40% of the players still got their 10 years old gpus

[misty swift]

The most common GPU of Squad players is a 3060

[clever crest]

And?? They said the performance would be same!

Hell even better

[carmine tree]

"We are talking for the wolf ,and he is already in the cage"...

Nahh , in my language sounds better

[carmine tree]

It will be , just probabbly not right now

[clever crest]

They said it will be on launch? Also what's the player base with the shit GPUs supposed to do, stroke our shit while it takes them another year to fix it, while they could've just pulled one more year of behind the scenes development?

[carmine tree]

Every UE5 game (Fortnite, Ark, PUBG) had rough starts, then improved. Short-term pain

Let's see what this ''hotfix'' is all about

[clever crest]

That's not what they told us... And squad isn't squad 2, it ain't a new game at all... You can't shadow ban a large group of players from the old game hopping that they can play the new one in a few years..

[carmine tree]

1.3GB update ,wonder what is it about

[tribal fulcrum]

I have really bad fps with med to high end rig too. None of my friends can play it after 9.0, FPS is halved, gpu vram usage doubled, image looks too soapy to play and the framerate softlocks around 91, no difference between graphic settings affect the FPS and I have barely any cpu usage.

[tribal fulcrum]

My GPU is barely 3 years old, most of the people have 5 years old stuff if u check steam stats. So no, your argument is invalid.

[carmine tree]

Keep in mind that 3 years old GPU from low-end tier is worse than high-end class GPU from 8 years behind. So yes , it is completely valid.

What is your GPU ?

[clever crest]

If he ran the game before UE5 the argument is completely invalid

It doesn't matter what his GPU is

[tribal fulcrum]

Yeah no, average is 3060. Not a low end tier.
I rock a 4060 I rounded it to 3 years old but checking the release date, 2023. With a r7 5800X.

The game is mostly CPU intensive though

[carmine tree]

Are you aware that 60 series of any Nvidia GPU is the low end ones ?

[tribal fulcrum]

But I don't see that anymore with this update. Now I barely get 10% usage out of it with TM.

[clever crest]

It doesn't matter, if they ran the game before, they should run it now

[tribal fulcrum]

What do you call a entry card then?

[tribal fulcrum]

Agreed.

[carmine tree]

By the law of the customer protection - yes

By the law of hardware utilization towards newer engines - no

[tribal fulcrum]

60's are also mid ranged. Not low end. And the cpu should be just fine at 1440p but it's scraping the bottom with my framerate and soapy image in game these days sadly.

[clever crest]

Then utilize a new engine.. IN SQUAD 2

[tribal fulcrum]

Yeah but doing this was probably cheaper than having a new title. Also harder to optimize the spaghetti codes probably, so I expected issues. But not unplayability for half the player base and better frames for the other half? Also playing only on official servers such as 44th and BB. So performance there should be decent.

[carmine tree]

It's not half ot the player base

The player base is 6 million people

[clever crest]

Fair, but they knew all too well this would happen

[tribal fulcrum]

Idk fam

15k concurrent is not 6mln, you take the pre ico in as well?

I'm talking about daily active players, to iterate.

[carmine tree]

I guess they are fixing the issues one by one

[carmine tree]

About the daily active players - they are even more now , at least in Europe. I barely can find empty server

[red echo]

While I'm having FPS issues in Squad, I have better graphics and a more stable frame rate in Arma Reforger...

[tribal fulcrum]

Check steamdb. Same player amount count. I'd link it but can't. There's a drop from 26 and 1th/2nd after 9.0. @carmine tree Also nice name

[lean fjord]

Offworld just pushed an update that fixes some array out of bounds issue, which might cause crashes even with your kind of new high spec hardware. If that doesn’t fix it you might want to run some proper stability check tools like Prime95 or ycruncher, which actually tests whether calculations are correct.

[tribal fulcrum]

Sick pics my dude

[red echo]

Thanks!

[tribal fulcrum]

Also

[carmine tree]

Well ,it's a major update ,don't expect for things to improve instantly. The servers being down is enough reason to have drop now.

[tribal fulcrum]

Servers were down for what, couple hours at most? How is this even related lol. You're nitpicking.

And for the funny event it was 3 days at most and players were still on their fav servers. Numbers keep circling around 15k more or less if u check the timelines. I just hope they take a better and more focused approach towards optimization.

[carmine tree]

I don't think this has anything to do with optimization. It's end of the summer , many people starts to go to school , university. Some of them are at war, some of them not. Surely the new update has some impact on that - but not that big. I mean , 2400people are not that much. Also there is a major campaign in World of Tanks , many people won't skip this, BF6 is coming out in 1 month too

Give it a time , it will heal

[tribal fulcrum]

If only the reviews and discussions weren't full of optimization requests and "bad fps"

[carmine tree]

A friend of mine gave negative review to the game saying his high end hardware was experiencing stutters....
His high end hardware: rtx 2060

[limpid rivet]

its better they have update the game befor bf 6 release :=) push the game

[limpid yacht]

ADD DIRECT 11 please developers alot of players have poor graphics cards

[spark nexus]

Not everyone has any knowledge about game dev...

You are the one trying to make a fight, get lost man.

All they complain about is "mY gAmE rUns vErY pOor nOw, ThEy rUiNeD iT"
But they are right. They are literally describing their current state of game, not what it can offer in future but what it does now.

Lumen is not used in Squad and Nanite is not forced, you can make an UE5 game without Nanite.

[spark nexus]

He's hitting language barrier and can't understand us, I don't know why he insists to be right while he isn't...

[spark nexus]

They did not delay it for 11th time LOL. The hell are you talking about?

[spark nexus]

They are not lying, they are just not pointing out that they use MFG in performance comparisons even tho its listed there but in smaller font but it's marketing so you can't do anything about that.

[spark nexus]

PUBG is not using UE5...

UE5 was made for Fortnite in mind, that's why Lumen and Nanite perform well there.

Also sorry yall for spam but I was busy with stuff.

[thorn lion]

https://tenor.com/view/made-up-making-things-up-misinformation-spreading-misinformation-lying-gif-5615616319157116451

[spark nexus]

More like Chat-GPT making things up for him that he will Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V here xddd

[carmine tree]

More like not.
More like you are just not ready accept the facts

[carmine tree]

Many complainers would never understand that. They are too busy to complain about what is not right, instead of what is improved

[carmine tree]

Guess what, surprise ,surprise ,surprisee - not everyone is having problems.The people with problems are significantly low amount.It looks like they are alot because they are in the discord servers trying to find attention and support.

[carmine tree]

"He isn't right only because I say so" ahh comment

[spark nexus]

The people with problems are significantly low amount
You kidding right?

[carmine tree]

Yeah, maybe you should go into the game's server browser and check that for yourself

Log into some match ,ask the people

You are not seriously judging by the 10-20 people complaining in this forum,do you?

[carmine tree]

Should I explain to you how these reviews are biased

And are bonbardment and not legit one

Show the positive ones btw

[spark nexus]

You literally believe that your silly comments with this ragebaiting images are so useful that it's just pathetic because this doesn't provide anything to the players expressing their experience with that UE5 update.

[spark nexus]

10-20 people? Where did you count that?

[spark nexus]

The positive ones are the blue ones that are outnumbered by negative ones in last 3 days.

[carmine tree]

Based on that guy's statistic screenshot , 30k people are significantly low number than 174k positive ones, 2k negatives from the last couple of days is just ash in the desert.Is math illegal in your school or what?

" 3 days"

[spark nexus]

The update literally came few days ago

[carmine tree]

3 days

[spark nexus]

Again, UE5 update released on 3th September

There's no single positive review after 9.0 update.

[carmine tree]

So what ? Does that change the fact that rest of the people that didn't edited their review are fine with the game?

[spark nexus]

People recommend going with low settings (since that's the most reasonable option to do so atm), then cope and play the game.

[carmine tree]

People get angry bout the new update - the only thing they do is making a bad review

[clever crest]

my 1650 is a cooking utensil when i open up UE5, now as far as i understood, OWI said EU5 would improve performace in Squad for EVERYONE, but the more that i scroll i cant find this claim...

[spark nexus]

Well that's how reviews work LOL

[clever crest]

this is some clockwork orange shit. I KNOW they mentioned they would help out lower end players but it doesnt seem its there...

[carmine tree]

Saying that only because 2500 negative reviews the game is worse doesnt mean anything

[spark nexus]

Users reviewed the 9.0 update, simple as fuck. In the day of update the negative reviews still outnumbered the positive ones.

[clever crest]

it does mean a sizable part of the community got fucked over

[spark nexus]

Of course it does? Why would it not? Those reviews aren't botted but made by real players.

[carmine tree]

How do you know?

[spark nexus]

Because the playerbase for Squad is so niche???

Most people never heard of Squad and most likely never will play it since it's a mil sim which is not a popular genre.

[carmine tree]

Im giving you example...one person from a group of friends cant run the game anymore due to outdated hardware - his other 2 friends leave a bad review too only because their fun is being interrupted because of that 1 guy.

The russians are typical example. I know them in my blood

[spark nexus]

Another made up thing?

[clever crest]

its mostly potato players like myself, the question is was fucking over us justified or nah

[spark nexus]

Where did that come from?

[clever crest]

most of those reviews are legit

[carmine tree]

From a real case

[thorn lion]

"The Russians" are you my racist uncle at thanksgiving?

[pallid oar]

[carmine tree]

No, I am russian myself

I know my nation

[pallid oar]

Most self aware Russian

[carmine tree]

Aside from that , we are united people and we do like to play in groups/friends wheter its CS2 or Squad...

[spark nexus]

CS2

[pallid oar]

Another game in the dumps

CSGO was king

[carmine tree]

So now we are skipping the fact where that came from or what?

[gusty cairn]

Why do ruzzians are still have access to Steam and discord ((

[pallid oar]

Wow

Not all Russians are evil

[spark nexus]

Yes because you said it's a real case based on stereotype. You don't know each Russian people lol.

[carmine tree]

I do know our gaming russian community, like wtf are you even on about?

[gusty cairn]

Yes , but they all have to carry their responsibility

[pallid oar]

They just need to take out you know who

[spark nexus]

Even if you right, the two other friends still have** full right to put a negative review** if the game doesn't let them play together. That's the way of expressing their game experience.

(Maybe bolding the text will get some sense to you.)

[carmine tree]

Maybe bolding the text doesn't help you understand how biased reviews are working and how true they are.

Ruined experience doesn't mean bad game

[clever crest]

all reviews are biased

[spark nexus]

Literally^^

That's the point of reviews.

[red echo]

Seriously, what's up with OWI fanboys who even support OWI to scam their players? 💀 💀 💀

[carmine tree]

My experience is ruined by everyday factors but that doesn't change the fact that the game is fine

[spark nexus]

The game is not fine for them. (I'm still talking about your example)

[carmine tree]

That doesn't mean its not fine for everyone else

[pallid oar]

Bro, it’s insane

It’s a hive mine I swear. It’s like if you got lucky enough for the game to run well on your shit you just need to defend the game and screw everyone else.

[red echo]

What impresses me is that it has more upvotes than the creator of the comment, I mean, wtf💀

[spark nexus]

And where did I say that it's not? Some people can tolerate stutters and low fps but that doesn't mean the game is fine.

[carmine tree]

If it runs on the most of the systems - then probably the issue is not within the game but more like with the older hardware.That game went to a completely different engine

[pallid oar]

I just see it’s a complete gamble

People with good rigs people with bad rigs it doesn’t matter

[carmine tree]

Tolerating stutters coming from the game and tolerating stutters because your hardware is barely holding togheter on the newer engine are 2 different things

[pallid oar]

I saw a guy say his 5090 has problems

[carmine tree]

No wonder...with Nvidia drivers

[pallid oar]

Then I saw a guy say his 2017 can handle it well

2070

[carmine tree]

My 7900xtx handles it just well

[spark nexus]

You act like AMD drivers are fine lol.

[carmine tree]

They are, its not 2018 anymore

To surprise on all of us - they are

[spark nexus]

I had RX 6600 XT since 2022, I upgraded to 4080 last year

[pallid oar]

Nvidia drivers are fine

[carmine tree]

Many people complained about driver issues with 5000series gpus

[spark nexus]

Both are having issues, it's also game dependant

[carmine tree]

My last Nvidia gpu was 1070ti

[pallid oar]

Yeah 50 series started off bad

[carmine tree]

I had 7700xt for 2 years, and this year upgraded to 7900xtx - no single bsod ,crash or whatsoever for all of these 3 years of AMD use.So I can say they have pretty solid drivers.When it comes to their Adrenaline software - yeah it have a lot of stuff to fix

[spark nexus]

Which got fixes months ago when Nvidia pushed like 5 hotfixes in 1 week. They haven't been more stable than ever.

[carmine tree]

I can't comment on this, not really familiar with how Nvidia works rn.

I guess they will be fine, since people spend huge amount of money on their new cards :))

Btw , hours ago OWI relesed hotfix

From what I understood there was improvement in stuttering at one point

[spark nexus]

I already tested it in Jensen's Range, still stuttering when bringing up PiP scope.

[carmine tree]

To be honest, since the last playtest(the 2 hours one) and these 3 days since the release ,the game runs without any issues as of performance,stutter

It have visual imperfections

For some reason, when I am scoping - my fps doesn't drop but instead increase a little bit

On UE4 when I used scope it decreased with like half of the fps

Overall I have 120-130fps on 1440p epic settings,native fsr 3.1

[spark nexus]

That happens when TSR is used, DLSS4 or FSR4 drops fps when PiP is active since it upscales both pictures whereas according to my thesis TSR upscales only the PiP one hence the higher FPS.

[carmine tree]

200-230 with fg

The blur when scoping in and out is insane ,and when you are in vehicles and watching out of the window on desert maps the picture is too bright and dimmed and you barely can see anything

Also when you are scoping with certain weapons you can see some strange honey-like web on the scopes

[stone violet]

im still using a 7700xt and im happy with the performance

[carmine tree]

Other than that I have no issues with the game

[spark nexus]

That's an auto exposure/eye adaptation issue

[carmine tree]

Its a great 1440p card ,I had the Asrock white one , solid gpu for its money

[spark nexus]

That's on purpose

[carmine tree]

-1 issue then, Its just this what I noticed ,never knew it wasn't an issue lol

[stone violet]

what bothers me more is theres a lot of stuff that modders made which couldve been added to vanilla a long time ago that still isnt added

theres a lot of factions and maps which have been finished for a long time ago and they just sit around rotting because they're unofficial so nobody plays them

[carmine tree]

Today I did an experiment with older AMD drivers (25.6.1) instead of 25.8.1(current) because of different reasons but anyway I had them I decided to try the game, It crashed on the first launch

I believe the gpu drivers has a lot to do with people problems

Maybe its not optimized for gpus from 1000,2000,3000 series yet , who knows 🤷

[carmine tree]

Btw you are in the GTHH community,and you should best know in what state a "not-ready" game is.

So calling Squad UE5 unfinished game is not really right. Its more like unpolished 😁

[carmine tree]

Anyway I think people should choose it as an option on/off

[spark nexus]

GTTH is in Pre or even Alpha state and it's not even out, the comparison you are trying to make there is pointless.

[carmine tree]

People are making things up and trying to sound like Squad is in Alpha state

[spark nexus]

People say that other people should choose ICO as an option on/off...

[carmine tree]

I am an alpha tester in GTTH and I am aware

[spark nexus]

I have never said that Squad is in Alpha state, you have reading comprehension issues dude.

[carmine tree]

I never said you did , many others are acting like it is. You are missing the point, r u sure you are not the one with comprehension issues ?

[spark nexus]

No one acts like Squad is in Alpha state but act like the 9.0 update is rushed and need hotfixes now until it's completely playable.

The 9.0 got completely rid off UE4 version which was stable and now it's gone.

[carmine tree]

Last I checked they did a hotfix 3 days after release(just hours ago) , so I am not sure what are they whinning about.I'm not defending OWI but they didn't even gave them a chance.

And they are just starting to fix issues,

[spark nexus]

You still don't know why are people complaining???

Welp go read then.

[carmine tree]

From what I heard and read until now - people with low-end hardware are complaining the most.

[spark nexus]

I hear people having stutters, blurry textures, netcode issues, game bugs with like incorrect vehicle spawning, tanking performance when there's foliage and many more.

You are the one believing that people with low-end hardware are complaining the most...

Get outta of bubble man.

[carmine tree]

People are having stutters,blurry textures and many other issues and game bugs in every other game.I just don't get people who still doesn't get the fact that there is no single perfection in this world,let alone a videogame.
It's not about believing,it's about observation - if you don't believe ,well just go read the threads in this server. You will see for yourself the majority of players who complain are the ones with gtx 1000 series .
More like you should leave the bubble

I saw vehicle tires get blurry and acting like crazy when popping it. Is it the end of the world?
No
Does it mess that much with your gameplay?
No
Just get over it , it will be fixed

I don't know why is the drama

[spark nexus]

Just get over it , it will be fixed
If the world would be perfect I wouldn't worry about it but it isn't so you need to put some pressure on company to give devs time to fix that thing. You are missing the whole point once again.

[spark nexus]

The picture describes everyone's feeling when talking to you lol.

[carmine tree]

Maybe I was wrong ,actually the only perfect thing in this world is how perfectly this picture describes how I feel talking to you.
Also you are confusing being realistic with being believer that you can put a pressure on this game company.

Let that sink in

[spark nexus]

The negative reviews can lead to that, never heard of Cyberpunk 2077 launch?

[carmine tree]

The world before 2000 negative reviews: 🌎
The world after 2000 negative reviews: 🌍

[spark nexus]

So we are talking about world now? Dude you are going off-topic now, just give up and stop making people expressions of their gameplay experience irrelevant.

[carmine tree]

So we are talking about cyberpunk 2077 now, instead for Squad? How are these 2 games comparable?

[spark nexus]

We were talking about putting pressure on company lol, you can't read once again xd

Put my words into Chat-GPT maybe it will help you understand.

[carmine tree]

As I said , 2500people vs 175k people only on the steam platform,can't put any pressure.Again you are daydreaming

[carmine tree]

Is that what you are doing?

[spark nexus]

The number will grow if they don't keep improving game's state.

[carmine tree]

They are improving it , what are you even on about?

[spark nexus]

I don't use Chat-GPT at all.

[carmine tree]

Then where that came from ?

[spark nexus]

They didn't even addressed the issue of TPS instability in the latest patch notes.

[carmine tree]

Oh wow, they didn't fixed the whole game for only 3 days , what a shame

[spark nexus]

#1230645447270465657 message You have a "—" symbol there which is not on any keyboard and Chat-GPT always puts it in it's output text XD.

[carmine tree]

You really believe they will fix 5 years of issues in just 3 days

Do you?

[spark nexus]

No one said that they should fix the game in 3 days.

You are making things up

[carmine tree]

Then why is this crying all about

[spark nexus]

I'm done talking to you, you don't read at all...

[carmine tree]

Crybabies are very real and persistent in this server. You must be blind or smh

[carmine tree]

Аre you even adequate ? People type em-dashes all the time manually or with autocorrect. Using a punctuation mark doesn’t magically make it AI generated text. You should really go out of your bubble of conspiracy.

What's next , aliens?

[spark nexus]

Dude you don't read again XD, the symbol is a long dash, not a double one or anything. — & -- & -, see the difference?

Try pinging me once again and I will block you, I don't want talk to you and will recommend to anyone else to do the same.

[carmine tree]

"Oh no, I will tell my friends not to play with you" ahh response...grown man btw

[carmine tree]

You've never heard of a MAC ,did ya ?

[pulsar sparrow]

5800x
32gb@3800Mhz DDR4
1080ti 11GB

Frame issues since last patch (from 70-90 to 50 stable, no matter the quality settings or resolution)
Frame gen pushes them to around 70-80 with UI glitches, ghosting and smearing.

[limpid rivet]

Good hardware the Game improv No stutters any more ❤️ ultra Low Hardware year6-8 years old have hard times. Grafic in Low Looks Like Grafik in High ue 4. Ue5 Go Level up. With the time . 🙃

[limpid rivet]

Play in Linux Not Support the game 😄

[limpid rivet]

You need to wait Implement xess 2.1 . Will by better then fsr 3.1 🙃

[spark nexus]

You know that games usually run better on Linux right? Just not so often when you have Nvidia GPU tho

[jolly crag]

32GB DDR4
AMD 6650xt
5800x3D
on SSD (and cache cleared)

1440p native
lowest settings

avg 40-70 fps

[carmine tree]

I also have half the performance with 7900XTX ,I think it's expected behaviour when you are jumping to a newer engine.Hope they fix it as far as much this is even fixable.
By the way isn't 1080Ti out of support already?

[teal jacinth]

All Low Settings , No Frame Gen , No DLSS , No AA
before 40fps

after GPU overclocked , maxed out = gained: 5fps = 45.

still un-playable , textures still look like dog pukes ( no matter i set medium/high )

[carmine tree]

what is your gpu if it's not secret , and how much ram do you have ?

.

.

looks like it's some chineese camapign to troll the review system

[teal jacinth]

i3-9100f , 16gb ,1060 6gb i can run smooth at all high with 80-90fps before UE5 , but not i can't even get through the main menu without crashing

[carmine tree]

now how much fps do you got

[teal jacinth]

barely over 30

[tribal fulcrum]

I strongly recommend you to sit it out and calm down, you been scating on this forum for a cpl days now. Game runs fine for you, get out of the optimization requests thread. If you can’t handle the reality that for some people the game barely runs now. I have a better rig than you and it’s not playable for me. Glad it works for you but yeah, you’re starting to sound like a broken record broski.

[rose marlin]

i5-12400, 4070, 32gb have 60-80 fps in low settings (mostly 60)

[tribal fulcrum]

Similar with my rig. Welcome to the club.

[carmine tree]

If the game is unplayable for you on a stronger rig, that’s a legit issue. and I never denied thoose exist.Reporting issues is useful, doom-posting isn’t. If you were familliar with the whole chat - you would know that I also reported issues. Can you elaborate on your issues so we can know what to look for? :))

[carmine tree]

Also I never said the game runs same as before on my rig. I said it's playable. If you are not ready to accept other people's issues too , then you shouldn't be the saying who can post here and who not.

[frigid gale]

You will have to wait for them to optimize for those types of frames unfortunately

[carmine tree]

I wonder if they gonna do it at alll

[frigid gale]

Make sure to play on full screen and apparently medium graphics has a lot more performance

@carmine tree what are your specs our of curiosity and what is your current FPS compared to ue4

[limpid rivet]

AMD works on Bring fsr 4 to your gpu. With that you can Go to fsr balance. To get in ultra 1440 p AVG 130 pfs.

[static cosmos]

130 fps with fsr balance?

strange

[carmine tree]

7900XTX + 7800X3D , In UE4 I had 150-190fps depending on the map ,1440p Epic settings. In UE5 I have 110-130fps at most without framegen

[frigid gale]

Is that consistent across all maps or just certain maps

[limpid rivet]

I Play on ultra 1440 p with frame Gen 120-200 fps fsr 4 nativ AVG 150 fps . Shadow and global Illumination on high. 9070 xt

[carmine tree]

AMD said that it will try to integrate FSR4 for 7000 series but due to the older architecture that is missing ''some components'' - I doubt they will do it actually

There is already FSR4 for 7900XTX on linux , but the performance drop is huge , so I don't see any sense in doing it. Even if it's possible to run FSR4 at 7000 series with decent performance - I doubt they will do it

[frigid gale]

.

[carmine tree]

across all maps , It's strange that I don't have lower or higher fps than that, maybe only 1-2 maps that are with kidna lower 90-120fps but that is momentum drop

[clever crest]

i dont think anything is consistent across maps rn, i run al barsah at 40 - 50 FPS with a 1650

while stuff like Harju goes 20 30

[limpid rivet]

Go medium settings and dlss 🙂

[frigid gale]

That's actually not terrible

[clever crest]

its not, if they optimize the maps low end players might have a go at it, only thing is thats gonna take a while

[limpid rivet]

Yes harju is the Most demanding map right now. Need more optimisation

[clever crest]

ill by a new GPU by then, at least the performance will be better

[limpid rivet]

Fsr 4 Performance Looks better then fsr 3 in quality . And i thinkt it will run Same speed.

[rose marlin]

Dlls is blur, unplayable

[limpid rivet]

You usw the sharpnes filter ?

[rose marlin]

Tsr

[limpid rivet]

Ore you Play 1080p ressolution?

[rose marlin]

Qhd

[limpid rivet]

Dlss works better then tsr

And in nvidea Treiber Go latest dlss version

Sharper and less trailing effect

[rose marlin]

I test dlss and haven’t changes on fps, only blurry players

Idk how it work🫠

Sry my english is bad🫠

[frigid gale]

So from my experience and from the people I have played with, some people with lower/mid/high tier GPUs have had mixed performance, a few of them with lower tier and mid tier have had benefits and some of them have had less performance. The people that I played with who have higher tier GPUs have noticed much less performance. I play on a 9070xt 7800x3d, 32gb ram. In ue4 I could easily hit 200 FPS maybe more if I played around with my settings. UE5 I have definitely noticed a significant loss in performance, I have lost around 80fps on certain maps and almost 140fps on others. I think it's mainly down to foliage

[limpid rivet]

Looks Like you in CPU RAM Limit If No more fps

Xmp Profile you loading the ram?

[clever crest]

usually if you can run it your better off with UE5, however UE5 made a lot of people not able to run the game properly

a large part of complaints come from people not changing the settings enough tough

[rose marlin]

Yeah

[frigid gale]

Also I found that full screen gives a slight increase in FPS, turning off in game frame gen also gives me more FPS, running quality in fsr gives me more FPS. Noticeably in task manager all of the usage seems to have switched from my CPU to my GPU. GPU now runs at 100% whilst my CPU runs at around 60%

[limpid rivet]

12400 only 60fps ITS Bad !

[carmine tree]

From all of the above - I only experience the more fps with FRS native 1.0 , quality is like the same as of quality ,maybe slightly worse - but zero performance gain in quality over native . Balanced/performance and ultra performance are crap as hell. But my gpu doesn't have FSR4 so I guess this is the reason

[static cosmos]

Lies

there are more frames on stock

[limpid rivet]

Yes i think 12400 musst have AVG 90 fps

[static cosmos]

more

[limpid rivet]

There are Something wrong

[limpid rivet]

No thats Not the reason. You must by in CPU Limit If you chance the settings and get No better Performance .

[carmine tree]

It's 7800X3D , how is it limiting it ? Also there is performance gain but when I choose performance/balanced or ultra performance - yet the picture gets really bad

it's just between the quality and native there is no performance gain and really slightly noticable picture quality difference, can't even say a difference

[static cosmos]

7800x3d may be limited only by ram

[limpid rivet]

Yes i woud Not Go under Qualität

[carmine tree]

I run at 32GB DDR5 6000MT/s

[static cosmos]

zentimings?

[carmine tree]

2 sticks

30CL

[static cosmos]

or it doesn't work for you

[limpid rivet]

If you have AVG 120 FPS all fine 🙂

I Not Like fsr 4 Qualität better nativ. Because vegitation Looks Not that good one Qualität

I better usw AMD frame Gen

[carmine tree]

It works actually , it's just that there is no difference between these two, everything else seems to work. Between FSR and for example other AA method settings - there is only noticable difference with the picture quality - not so much on the performance

[limpid rivet]

With fsr 4.0.2 They fix the vegitation Not Look so good.

[static cosmos]

can give screen from zentimings

[limpid rivet]

But ITS Not Implement right now in the triber settings.

[carmine tree]

wait , lemme download zentimings

[limpid rivet]

Nice build !

[static cosmos]

trfc big

[carmine tree]

I'm using the EXPO 1 profile

[static cosmos]

know how to change timings in bios?

[carmine tree]

yeah but I don't bother with them anymore since it's a lot of work to make them not crash. Especially i don't want to mess with voltages

[static cosmos]

tras 48
trc 84
trrds 8
trrdl 12
tfaw 32
twtrs 4
twtrl 16
twr 48
trtp 12
trfc1 560
trefi 65535

only change this timings

[carmine tree]

wouldn't that cause a crash since it will require more voltage than 1.4

[static cosmos]

due to the VDD voltage of 1.4 I doubt it is M-die or A-die

[carmine tree]

how to check it

[static cosmos]

only TCL depends on voltage

[static cosmos]

make trfc 416

if it boot = a-die

if it not boot = m-die

[static cosmos]

the timings that I wrote do not depend on voltage

[static cosmos]

Kingston in new revisions put there both hynix a-die and hynix m-die

[carmine tree]

it's M-die

hynix-M-Die

[static cosmos]

sure?

[carmine tree]

i can try to confirm this with software but pretty sure google is not wrong

[static cosmos]

I wouldn't trust ai

[carmine tree]

according to Thaiphoon Burner

[static cosmos]

ok

m-die

[static cosmos]

this timings can work for m-die

[carmine tree]

will be the performance gain even significant to justify bothering with manual tunning ?

[static cosmos]

yes

[carmine tree]

jeez

[static cosmos]

this is 5700x3d stock

this 5600

this 5700X3D OC

23% increase

and better results 0.1% and 1%

[carmine tree]

what settings, and gpu ?

resolution ?

[static cosmos]

1080p low settings 5700X3D

and gpu 7800xt

[carmine tree]

That makes sense now

I am having around 120 and 110 solid fps on 1440p epic settings in UE5 , Will there be a difference at 1440p ?

[static cosmos]

do it, we'll see. But it will definitely be better

[carmine tree]

Hmmm , I will try that

[clever crest]

theres weird stuff, so shit GPUs can run the game just make sure the uncapp texture pool size ISNT on.. Because shit GPUs wont laod textures fully this way which means it wont clog your VRAM... Also it would appear folliage taxes AA much more than buildings and other models

[static cosmos]

Samsung b-die

Cool

[misty wind]

This is from the FAQ that just dropped
"Visually, the “Medium” setting in UE5 provides higher quality than the “Epic” setting on UE4. The "High" and "Epic" settings on UE5 fully utilize the power of the modern GPU generation and are not recommended for previous GPU generations."

[vague mulch]

Squad got the best PiP implementation now. It's nearly perfect and performant.

[rustic bolt]

Yeah, i have noticed too the great performance of PiP now. Feels unreal tbh, i don't really know what kind of sorcery they are using to render two images without noticeable performance impact (at least for me)

[carmine tree]

scoping also improves my fps by 10-20

[rustic bolt]

for me +-10

[rugged moat]

My 5060 Ti runs the game worse than my 3060 Ti.
i5-14400F, 16gb DDR5, RTX 5060 Ti. Optimization/compatibility issue?

[carmine tree]

If it was optimization then your 5060tj shohld handle the game even better

I would suggest you trying run the game on previous WHQL drivers of nvidia and see if that helps

[carmine tree]

.

[spark nexus]

Does your 5060 Ti has latest drivers?

[limpid rivet]

Owi Text tagt rtx 5000 Serie have a Problem . With next triber get a fix . Report IT to Nvidia

[tribal spoke]

Just fix your game noobs

[arctic aspen]

i9 13k 4090 max settings.....no issues
Looks great

[carmine tree]

Simmilar boat here. The game is great 👍 They only need to adjust skins and eventually add more

[arctic aspen]

Bro, after not being able to play after the 1.12V Update do to a dogshit graphics card...actually, I didn't even know what a graphics card was for when I bought that PC

I went with a 4090 and chose to not have to worry bout it for a while. 0 regrets

[carmine tree]

Еxactly.That's why people should generally upgrade from time to time.Not worry about optimization and jumping to a newer engine.It's the same as when you buy the newest Playstation or Xbox every few years.As an AMD user I can say that 4090 is the best graphics card out there

I was an 1070ti user couple of years ago...some of the newer titles were running good, some not...I get pissed off and upgraded to 7700xt and a year later now with 7900xtx so I don't bother with system requirements and to be able to handle unoptimized games.

Can't wait for 9080xt or xtx card from the 9000 series

[pulsar sparrow]

I think 1080ti support just got discontinued, last driver 28th of August

Yesterday I had fps issues, now the game crashes after 2 minutes uptime

[devout escarp]

i9 14900k - gtx 4080 super & 64gb ddr5 ram. Scopes are broken. They blur out everything else around them. ADS with scope removes volumetric fog. light rays when there is no entrance for it in some buildings. Games runs worse now then when you added helo's. I shouldnt need DLSS to run the game and when i turn it on it drops my frames by 20-30. Please add other forms of AA, like the game used to have. Lighting tends to tweak out at certain angles. for example peeking around a corner , light is completely different then standing 2 ft away from that spot

[harsh plover]

so basically the game has lost aprox 50% of their users due to this new update

crazy

[devout escarp]

@harsh plover they also gave us child soldier arms again and weapon sway acts different again

[harsh plover]

oh

gameplay is broken

cool

[arctic aspen]

when I run comps...and I'm new....I dont spaghetti that hard...

5.56 doesn't recoil that bad...ever...not even with a 249 saw full auto...

[pulsar sparrow]

I mean not really. I still think the transition was poorly executed, not well tested and maybe even unnecessary

[red echo]

since June of this year start to fall the player count

[pulsar sparrow]

You can't attribute that to the UE5 update though (which is just a week old). Overall it's an upward trend and always has been. The lowest recorded playercount of the last year is higher than the highest playercount (free weekend) in 2022

[red echo]

Of course not, but currently, given how the UE5 update came out and the amount of negative reviews Squad is getting due to performance issues, it could accelerate its fall.

[pulsar sparrow]

It is a hit to popularity / playercount at least, I agree that much.
As someone who personally suffers from the switch (can literally not play at all) it's safe to say I don't support it.

I see why they did it, I just don't think they executed it well and personally just don't think it was a good decision. But I said the same about the ICO

[red echo]

The thing is that with ICO it's different, it altered the gunplay, but you could continue playing the game, in this case, it caused performance problems making it impossible for many to play, even having high-end PCs.

[carmine tree]

Probably devs optimized the game for the latest drivers

[carmine tree]

2000 people with negative reviews are far far away from "50% of its players"

[spark nexus]

Game can't be optimized for drivers, drivers exist to optimize games by altering the way game executes OS GPU commands...

[carmine tree]

Correct

Then drivers of 1080ti are not optimized for this game,and they won't be since its unsupported

The greatest gpu of all time is now unsupported

That's just sad

[teal jacinth]

anyone used Intel Arc B580 for squad / dayz yet? please tell me how good it is

[limpid rivet]

Better buy used 3070 . You can usw dlss . And have more power then B580 🤔 because fsr 3 Not Looks good vs dlss

Only Point 580 habe 12 Not 8 GB v RAM

[clever crest]

My frames drop by 10 when inside vehicles, are they PIP

?

[misty swift]

The game has the same and even more AA options than in UE4, what are you talking about?

[carmine tree]

ehm , I think people overreact when saying fsr3.1 doesn't look good vs dlss - I mean yeah DLSS is better but FSR is not bad at all

[limpid rivet]

I had a 3070 and updated to an AMD 9070. If you don't mind the flickering, image instability, then FSR is fine up to the Quality setting. But even then, you can already tell that the DLSs image is sharper. With each subsequent downgrade, DLsS increases its advantage.

[spark nexus]

FSR is bad, unless it's the FSR 4 version.

[carmine tree]

It's pretty fine

[teal jacinth]

Game crashed after i switched to full screen mode

Now i cant fucking get into the game because it blacked out everytime i clicked onto the screen in fullscreen mode

great now if i tab out when ingame it crash too

best fucking development , very smart cana'indian

[limpid rivet]

Looks like a Personal Problem. Because No one have the Same bug 🤔

[carmine tree]

Wait. , you did whole meme for that ?

[red echo]

I found it on Reddit from Squad

[carmine tree]

Lol , they did a whole meme

Some people are very childish

[tribal fulcrum]

Some do. Please don’t generalize a statistic.
My game hates tabbing in and out but hasn’t crashed to that yet. I play on FS.

[tribal fulcrum]

You’re still here like a broken record telling people that the game runs well on ur end and everybody else is just poor or it’s a issue on their end? Takes some dedication.

[carmine tree]

That was like yesterday or the day before.Are you by any chance living in slow mo ?

[carmine tree]

We never heard of an issue like this one , did we ? If you are aware of another people that reported this exact issue please send a proof because obviously most people missed that. If you are suggesting that this particular crash issue where it "locks" your game is considered as a part of the other reported crash issues then you are the one having problems with generalizing things .

So please stop trolling , you are doing it again...like a broken record
If you don't think everyone has a right to express opinion and state the facts in order to solve a potential problem then I suggest you to not interfere any further.

[spark nexus]

Weren't you negative about people expressing their opinion about the state of game in steam reviews?

[carmine tree]

What this has to do with real game issues ?
I was negative about people who complain for no reason and who wonder why they can't run the game anymore with gtx 1060 .
Also I was never negative about people expressing their oppinions.That's on your side.

[spark nexus]

For you it's not a reason but for others it is. This is called being subjective.

[carmine tree]

How is even reasonable to hope for the game to run with the same performance as before on older hardware.Even high end rigs are suffering rn

[spark nexus]

That's the whole point lol.

[carmine tree]

By suffering I don't mean the game crashes etc.(and yes there was high end rigs that crashed which is legit problem) I mean decreased performance which is normal with the newer engine

[spark nexus]

Well it isn't, Valorant got even faster with newer engine, you are missing the point that newer engine didn't fix the issues like stalled single threading which are caused by unknown thing and which causes bad performance while not utilizing the hardware for it's max power.

[carmine tree]

Many AAA games have bad performance due to not being able to utilize the hardware.

A lot of people reported for increased performance than with UE4.At least the people who I meet across the game and people from YouTube,and some of them in these discord servers

Some with high end rigs, some with older high end parts

What I noticed is that people who often have problems are the ones with 4050,4060,3060 ,1650 and many other 1000 series cards

A player today reported that his 3060 is running with increased performance which is great

[rugged moat]

I’m still frustrated my 5060 ti is running the game worse than my 3060 ti

Good thing nobody wants to buy my old pc

[carmine tree]

Isn't 5060ti on a 8pciex

8bus or smh

8 lanes

[rugged moat]

I wouldn’t know.

[carmine tree]

Just check it

Gpuz

[rugged moat]

Would that be the cause of poorer performance than the same card 2 gens ago?

[carmine tree]

Yes

X16

Is better than x8

But i am not sure if the 8lanes was for 5060

5060ti could have normal 16 lanes as any other gpu

Lemme check

[rugged moat]

I can put a pc together but I’ve no idea how each components work. If you can check I rly appreciate it

[carmine tree]

Brother, bad news...

Its using pciex 5.0 but with 8 lanes

[rugged moat]

Why…

[carmine tree]

On paper pciex 5.0 with 8 lanes should be the same 32gb/s as pciex4.0 16 lanes

Does your motherboard supports pciex 5.0 on your main gpu slot?

If it supports only pcie4 then your gpu works on 8 lanes only

[rugged moat]

But now my question are the devs gonna make the game run better on 5060ti or should I just take it back

[carmine tree]

And its literally half the performance

[rugged moat]

Lemme see

[carmine tree]

It should already run better than your 3060 ti

If your gpu is using only half of its lanes due to motherboard limitation - then that is your problem

Download gpuz ,its 10 20mb file

Open it and you will see your operating lanes

[rugged moat]

I think you struck oil

[carmine tree]

:))

If your motherboard is only pcie 4.0 - then bad news - you need new mobo

Which supports pcie 5.0

What is your motherboard model

[rugged moat]

Checking

B760 series but I’m trynna find out which model

[carmine tree]

You should have pcie 5.0

[carmine tree]

Gpuz

[rugged moat]

Bus specs vs graphic interface version

[carmine tree]

Not cpuz

To show your current

[rugged moat]

This doesn’t show my current version of the motherboard?

[carmine tree]

U sure you have installed your gpu in your first slot ?

Nevermind

Your motherboard doesn't support pcie 5.0 🙁

[rugged moat]

Check ur pm

[little frigate]

Just fix everything, its a joke i'm playing goose bay with 4060 RTX in 10-20 FPS

Idk what more I can change on my settings to improve a bit the performance, I'm playing everymap in between 40-80 FPS, I wouldnt mind playing 80, if there were stable, but there are not, cant right click without FPS losses, at least 5 of 6 times I do right click I go from 80 to 20 FPS. Goose bay is the worst map for me, there's no way I'm playing this in 20 or less FPS, having Nvidia 4060 RTX and AMD Ryzen 5 8500g im supposed to play at least 110 stable, i'm playing non stable 60fps everything on low

I think everything needs to improve, we dont want skins, we want to play properly

[haughty dove]

ULTRAWIDE FIX

[young lion]

Go to your config file and try messing with the quality there are some things there that you can’t mess with in game but can there

[little frigate]

What u recommend to change? It doesnt matter if im playing on high or low, same issues

[young lion]

Reflection foliage and terrain quality set it to 0 instead of what ever values it was before

I’ll make a bat file that edits the config file and makes it easy to understand what each thing does later and post on GitHub

Use DLSS balanced

Idk ab frame gen i dont have it

[little frigate]

Using this already, but ty for the answer

Someone told me than frame gen is not working properly so idk

[young lion]

I’m on a 30 Series card so I can’t use it 😭

[young lion]

Btw if you edit settings in game afterwards it will reset the settings to the engine default

[little frigate]

Well, i'm on 4060 and playing so fked xdd

[young lion]

I’m able to squeeze 90 fps on yehorivka or wtvr

Mess with the config file most options in there you can’t touch in game it’s stupid

[little frigate]

Maybe its something wrong on my computer, but idk

[little frigate]

I will ty mate

[young lion]

No I also got 25fps as soon as the update dropped if you look at my message history you will see that

I’ll drop my graphics settings in a bit if you wanna try?

[little frigate]

yeah ofc

I'm watching my task manager, 85% GPU 1 Nvidia 4060, CPU 64% and GPU AMD Ryzen 5 0%

[young lion]

Is low latency in game enabled?

[little frigate]

yeah

[young lion]

turn that off it supposed to make it use less CPU

Takes a good 10 frames from me

[little frigate]

this is me right now on Narva

[young lion]

Ya turn that low latency off

[little frigate]

still 41 fps

[young lion]

Only use the Nividia driver one

In nividia control or nividia app

[young lion]

Not a magic fix but it helps

[red echo]

The game consumes at least 9 GB of VRAM, that's why it has problems

[little frigate]

Turned that off but still on the same ammount of fps, i started the game on 90 but now is like this

[red echo]

The game itself consumes at least 9 GB of VRAM.

[little frigate]

idk what it means, should i change mine or theres any solution?

[red echo]

Your graphics card, how much VRAM does it have?

[young lion]

false

[red echo]

I've been testing and it always consumes more than 9 GB of VRAM, brother.

[little frigate]

But there are ppl playing 110 fps with the same graphic card

[young lion]

[ScalabilityGroups]
sg.ResolutionQuality=87
sg.ViewDistanceQuality=2
sg.AntiAliasingQuality=3
sg.ShadowQuality=0
sg.GlobalIlluminationQuality=0
sg.ReflectionQuality=0
sg.PostProcessQuality=0
sg.TextureQuality=0
sg.EffectsQuality=0
sg.FoliageQuality=0
sg.ShadingQuality=0
sg.LandscapeQuality=0```

[little frigate]

Shouldnt be this bad

[red echo]

Wait, spanish?

[little frigate]

yep

[red echo]

Vale, te explico brother, el juego consume mas VRAM que la que tiene tu GPU, varios usuarios han comentado lo mismo, por lo mismo tu GPU le pedira memoria a tu RAM y por eso provocara lentitud

[little frigate]

Pero hay gente que me ha dicho que con la misma grafica juega a 110

[red echo]

seee.. es un tema complicado con Unreal Engine 5, algunos juegan a mayor tasa de FPS, otros apenas y llegan a la nada misma, espera

Mira el ultimo video de Slorgs por ejemplo, tiene una 3080 y sufre de tirones

la optimizacion de Squad en UE5 es lanzar una moneda al aire

o te ira bien o te ira mal

[little frigate]

Osea que no tiene solucion por mi parte si no que depende mas de esta gente, porque obviamente una grafica que tiene menos de un año no voy a cambiar xd

[amber fjord]

Subject: Severe FPS Drop After Latest Update

Hello Squad Support Team,

I am experiencing a significant performance issue after the latest update. Before this update, my game was running smoothly at around 90 FPS without any mods. However, after the update, I am only getting 33 FPS, which makes the game almost unplayable.

Here are my system specifications:
• GPU: NVIDIA RTX 3050 6GB
• CPU: Intel Core i5 13th Gen
• RAM: 16GB
• SSD: 512GB

I have not made any other changes to my system or settings. The FPS drop happened immediately after updating the game.

I would greatly appreciate any assistance or guidance on how to resolve this issue, as it significantly impacts my gameplay experience.

Thank you very much for your support.

[amber fjord]

I also get very low FPS.

[red echo]

Pues andamos en la mismas, no te preocupes, por mi parte me anda la mayoria de juegos genial, incluso Arma Reforger que tiene mucho mayor tamaño en mapa y en cuanto jugadores, asi que solamente nos queda esperar a que OWI empiece a trabajar y por mientras jugar otra cosa, lamentablemente

[amber fjord]

If the company can’t fix this, I won’t be able to play the game anymore.”

[little frigate]

Bueno, pues muchas gracias por la respuesta, me tranquiliza un poco, literalmente ahora mismo me vibraba hasta el chat ingame / Ty all for your responses 🙂 I will be reading u and testing what u told me

[amber fjord]

I don’t know why everyone is experiencing the same problem, but there are multiple complaints on my AR server. I don’t know what to tell the people there.

[little frigate]

And one thing more

my friends told that this is not normal

this supression

there's a guy there

[amber fjord]

“I don’t even know, even in training the FPS is supposed to be good and above 90, but I’m getting 33 FPS there as well. This is a problem, and I don’t know when it will be fixed. If there’s no solution, I would like to get a refund.

[little frigate]

Me too, but I have 1.6k hours on this game so...

[amber fjord]

Me too, I also opened a private server and I have 1,900 hours on it. Those were good days.”

[teal jacinth]

idk , i re-verfied and checked launch paramenters nuttin else reporting back wrongs , only in full screen mode crash me with everything i do , clicking crash too

borderless mode doesn't tho

[cobalt dagger]

while your card is a 3050 and sounds much closer to the recommended specs (3060) than the the minimum specs (1060), if you look at benchmarks you'll find the 3050 performs surprisingly similarly to the 1060. this is to say, given the new requirements it is not surprising or strange your performance is so poor.

[cobalt dagger]

it is unfortunate and im not here to defend or justify the changed requirements.

but changing settings can only go so far, that gpu is very slow. it used to keep up in UE4 because UE4 was more CPU heavy than GPU heavy. this is no longer true and that difference isnt unique to squad.

tl;dr it doesn't sound like anything is wrong. it sounds like you're in the unfortunate group of people who's PCs aren't strong enough anymore.

[limpid rivet]

I have Play the ue 5 playtests with rtx 3070 . I have Drops to the 50fps Mark but normal AVG i get70fps in Low 1440p dlss Qualität.

[frigid gale]

The game just got upgraded to a new engine you're going to have FPS drops. Optimization is probably being worked on as we speak

[spark nexus]

Because those are budget GPUs that most people buy, no one normal a non geek won't buy 4090 or 5090 just because, it's not worth for them and it's true.

[carmine tree]

Its worth it every penny ,if you have them money ofcourse.I would buy 4090 over any other card over and over again

[spark nexus]

Again, the most purchased GPUs are RTX xx60 or RX x600 you can believe it or not but that's a fact.

[carmine tree]

That's fine. Doesn't change the fact that they are on the lower end and struggle in the most demanding games at certain conditions.
Personally I was wondering between 4060ti and 7700xt 1-2 year ago and went for 7700xt cuz it was same money with overall better performance.But then I got pissed off from me being limited by a gpu and just bought stronger one.But that's me

[spark nexus]

if RTX XX60 or RX X600 can't do 1080p with 80 fps or higher on native on high settings in a game then there's an issue.

KCD2 does like 71 fps on stock RTX 4060 on 1080p Ultra

[carmine tree]

They probably should do certain amount of advertised fps when they are first launched , no one is guarantee you what will happen with the performance after 5-10 years when games are already progressed with advanced graphics

You can't expect newer games from 2025 to run with the fps of an 2020 game on the same 2020 gpu for example .The difference between squad and other games is that its not a sequel

But yet the engine change is also not small

I personally never saw Squad as an game used for benchmarks or advertised by gpu manufacturers

As you said its a niche game

[misty swift]

Industry performance standart is 60 fps. Games are developed based on this. Everything beyond that is subjective personal preferance.

[spark nexus]

Yes but the point was that first entry GPUs can easily do 60 fps at 1080p

[carmine tree]

They need to fix their minimal sys requirements. Obviously 1060 6gb won't be able to run this game without super tweaking game options and oc

[opal sand]

Yeah true, engine change is big, but Squad used to run 80 fps on medium for me, now it’s 30 on low. That drop feels way beyond just new engine... heavier graphics,” it’s more like an optimization issue

[spark nexus]

Are you sure you are not VRAM limited?

[carmine tree]

Maybe not so good optimization with newer engine explains that drop

Its a mix of circumstances,not just one thing

Saying that only bad optimization can do this is not really true

I lost 30-40fps from UE4 to UE5 too

But its still playable somehow

Can't you increase somehow the shared vram or smh like that

Im sure you can do that for ram via pagefile size

But not sure if there was an option for vram too

Make sure you reinstall the game if clearing cache doesn't work

And configure your settings and resolution to ultra low

Do you have by any chance only 16ram?

My game uses 16 ram , there should also be some ram space for your OS as well and background process

[teal jacinth]

i got 350$ which CPU should i get for the 5060 ti

[carmine tree]

Your budget of 350$ is only for cpu ?

[teal jacinth]

yes

[carmine tree]

Do you want it for gaming only or for gaming/work/video editing?

[teal jacinth]

mostly for game but also like , not getting black screen or freeze when i tab out , everygames i play if i tab out too much during playing it just start lagging out or cause fps drops and CPU increased it usage badly

[carmine tree]

Do you have by any chance intel cpu right now

What is your current CPU model right now?

[teal jacinth]

a i3-9100f

[carmine tree]

It's not that much of a powerfull CPU but I doubt the freezing and crashing is coming from the cpu

these BSOD usually come from RAM or your PSU not enough. I guess you are monitoring your CPU temperatures and they are normal , right ?

anyway , if you want an upgrade for your CPU I would suggest you 7800X3D or 9800X3D

but it's an AM5 and you will have to change your motherboard and ram as well because i3-9100f is on LGA 1151 socket which is completely different mobo

I bought the Gigabyte B850 Aorus Elite Wifi 7 Ice mobo for 225$ , 2x16 DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 kingston fury for 130-140$ , and Ryzen 7 7800X3D for 300$

[teal jacinth]

hmm

[carmine tree]

~650$ costed me upgrading from AM4 mobo , ryzen 7 5800X3D and 2x16 DDR4 3600mhz

when I sold my old parts - only the CPU I could sell for 220$ 😄

the motherboard was 150$ brand new(ASUS TUF Gaming B550 Plus WIfi II) and sold it for another 70$

and the ram for something like 50$ too, I gifted Light enhancement kit with it too...

around half the money I got from selling my old platform

but the R7 5800X3D alone is expensive because it's rare in our country and it's really hard to find one

it still keeps it's price around 450-600 BGN Which is 225-300 euro - for second hand without warranty 😄

If I were you - I would collect money and buy completely new build

you mentioned that you have 5060Ti , but how many watts is your PSU ?

did that happen when you bought your 5060Ti recently ?

[teal jacinth]

i just bought the 5060ti itself , wanna buy each parts slowy and complete it

i think a 1000w could do the job

for the 7800x3d

[carmine tree]

I mean what is your current PSU?

And did you already installed and using the 5060ti ? Because you mentioned crashes,black screens, etc.

[teal jacinth]

650w

[teal jacinth]

nope , still using 1060

[carmine tree]

Try reseating your ram sticks or removing one of them to check if the issue persists

your 650w psu is more than enough to handle i3 and 1060, ofc if your PSU is not faulty or deffecting in some way ,but I doubt that

defaul your bios settings , reseat or remove ram sticks

i mean , try every stick in slot 2 and4 (if your motherboard have 4 slots)

it could be faulty ram stick

Tbh , 7800X3D is a bit overkill for your 5060Ti , but for future upgrades on your gpu is perfect.

instead of an 7800X3D you can get something like Ryzen 7 9700X

For more balanced build

Overall , 5060ti is 1080p gpu and for 1080p gaming you don't need that much of an build.Ofcourse buy an AM5 mobo with more features and good ram so you can have headroom for future upgrading - because you will need one soon or later

If you mind buying stronger gpu in the near future then you should go for 7800x3d

[carmine tree]

Everything is fine, except maybe reconsider buying an CL36 ram kit, find something with lower CL number

[spark nexus]

There isn't unless you have HBM in your GPU which would mean old GPU that wouldn't handle UE5 anyways.

[carmine tree]

Oh , I see...

[slow drift]

📖 Quick Guide: Check if You’re CPU or GPU Bottlenecked in Unreal Engine Games

1️⃣ Enable the performance display
• Open the console in the game (~ or ` key).
• Type: stat unit

•    A small table will appear showing:
•    Frame = total frame time
•    Game = CPU game logic (AI, physics, etc.)
•    Draw = CPU preparing draw calls
•    RHI = render interface (CPU/driver)
•    GPU = rendering time on the graphics card

2️⃣ Interpret the results
• Values are shown in milliseconds (ms).
• To convert to FPS: FPS = 1000 / Frame(ms)
Example: 10 ms ≈ 100 FPS

🔹 Case 1: GPU Bottleneck
• GPU ms > Game ms
• Example: Game = 7 ms, GPU = 14 ms
👉 The GPU is the limiting factor.

🔹 Case 2: CPU Bottleneck
• Game ms > GPU ms
• Example: Game = 13 ms, GPU = 9 ms
👉 The CPU (often one main thread) is the limiting factor.

🔹 Case 3: Balanced
• Game ms ≈ GPU ms
• Example: Game = 10 ms, GPU = 11 ms
👉 The system is well balanced.

3️⃣ Ultra-short summary
• Type stat unit
• Compare:
• Game > GPU → CPU bottleneck
• GPU > Game → GPU bottleneck
• ≈ equal → balanced

DLSS reduces the GPU's load by rendering at a lower internal resolution before upscaling it. However, if the CPU was already the bottleneck (e.g., at 1080p), reducing the GPU's load will change nothing: the CPU remains the limit. DLSS is very effective at overcoming a GPU bottleneck. If your CPU is already maxed out at a low resolution, enabling DLSS will provide little to no FPS gain.

[jolly crag]

reminder that steam charts doesn't account for regional playerbases or any number of confounding variables; not trying to discredit OG topic discussion but add nuance

[teal jacinth]

ok so i checked everything , the ram doesn't show anything weird after i cleaned the slots and put it back , tried cleared CMOS , and re-installed window , cleared game cache , and yet.

it still fuckass

😭

[carmine tree]

You tried only with 1 ram sticks?

[teal jacinth]

1 stick amkes eveyrthing slow

[wind gazelle]

Wonder why

[carmine tree]

Is your problem slow pc or unexpected crashes?

[teal jacinth]

un

[carmine tree]

Send picture of your pc inside the case

[wind gazelle]

Sort of scared of what she's gonna post

[carmine tree]

I mean , not for anything else but I just feel the urge to look inside that pc case - I know something is not right

[wind gazelle]

A fucking blown capacitor

[spark hatch]

I’ve got

Ryzen 7 9800X3D
RTX 3060 12GB
32GB DDR5 6000 MHz

I bought the CPU a few months ago specifically for Squad.
Before UE5, performance was stable and excellent — 90–100 FPS without drops, and never below 75 FPS when scoped.
After the update, I honestly don’t know how to play anymore, especially on maps with a lot of vegetation.
Most of the time FPS stays around 60, and when scoped it drops to the 50s.
On top of that, I’m getting stutters, even though I’m playing on the lowest graphics settings with DLSS enabled — which, to be honest, just blurs the image and makes it less sharp.

[carmine tree]

Gpu bottleneck

9800x3d is overkill for 3060

Your cpu is underutilized

Due to the gpu bottleneck

I suggest you saving some money and buy stronger gpu in the near future

[limpid rivet]

Frustrating stutter when going through doors/openings - RESOLVED / they fix it seace for this post

[limpid rivet]

https://discord.com/channels/91294111071469568/1413907243971248128

[pulsar sparrow]

It's getting worse by the minute.. Tried clearing cache, resetting drivers, fixing shader cache size, msi ab unstucked, mouse polling rate decrease..
Is anyone with a pc older than 3 years just fucked now?

[red echo]

It's because of the memory leak

The game doesn't know how to manage the VRAM of your GPU well, and it starts to consume to the point of asking the system for RAM.

[cobalt dagger]

that's not what memory leak means

it does that behavior, but that's the wrong term. the assets are in ram because it cant move them to the GPU, not because they go from the GPU to RAM.

a memory leak would be if the usage increased over time without constraint. not what's happening here

[magic oasis]

im scared of updating my gpu drivers, b`cos those vibecoders make drivers that burn my v-card for sure

[tribal fulcrum]

Same. Baffling.

[lime shell]

intel arc b570, amd ryzen 5 7600, 32gb 6000mts ram, and please add xess 2

[valid olive]

OPTIMIZE VRAM USAGE AND A LOT OF THE ISSUES LISTED WOULD BE GONE

[undone reef]

I keep having stutters / fps drops, 13700h, 4070m
skorpo is the map
from 90-110 to 15fps

[limpid rivet]

Vram 8 GB need to Play on Low settings https://youtu.be/Tg0eC2An5a8?si=QjAiC2_mgWtR10Mq

[still holly]

Not every setting has to be set to low to play with 8GB vram. The texture setting is the most important one to save vram, changing that from mid to low saved around 700mb for me.
And the game went from unplayable to alright performance.
It's not always necessary to put textures on low if you only have 8GB vram, I recommend using a HUD (msi afterburner's on screen display comes to mind)that displays vram usage, so you can see for yourself if the stutters/bad performance is caused by the vram overflowing or not.

[undone reef]

I am not running out of VRAM

Steam overlay confirms I am not, so does nvidia

[spark nexus]

You have 8 GB of VRAM and you are hitting close to the limit since it says 7.5/7.8 GB, thats just a difference of few hundred of megabytes.

Sometimes it can peak about that few hundred megabytes so that's most likely what's happening.

[undone reef]

it never went above the limit

[spark nexus]

Because it physically can't lol

[undone reef]

even in that case, if I can not run this game at 1080p medium settings with 8 gb of vram, the devs have failed to deliver.

[spark nexus]

Are you sure that you are not running some stuff in background like web browser?

[undone reef]

I will repeat again, I am not running out of vram, it is 7.3GB.

[spark nexus]

VRAM usage may vary like I said, with 7.3 GB it's not dropping fps is it?

[undone reef]

yes it is, this is not about vram, stop saying that it is.

if it was vram, these issues wouldn't happen when I run it at 720p low.

[carmine tree]

I haven't played for a week and just joined random match on yehorivka, is this game optimized and it looks awesome or I am fooling myself? It looks much better and smooth from 1 week ago

[remote elbow]

PLEASE OPTIMIZE THE GAME

cant even enjoy it properly after ue5 updt

[limpid rivet]

You try 720 p . And get the Same 15 fps? Strange bug 🫩

[cobalt dagger]

yes it can, when it goes over the "limit" on steam overlay you start using RAM as shared memory to bridge the difference

[spark nexus]

I know that already, it just when it's VRAM limited, it can't go over it (the VRAM number)

[cobalt dagger]

wym it cant go over the number

[spark nexus]

if the person has 8 GB VRAM GPU then it can't go over 8 GB and say 9 there, it will simply increase RAM usage and cause stutters/lower fps

[cobalt dagger]

you're wrong here

it says 9 if it wants 9

[willow trail]

squad uses ram for vram when vram is fully used?

i mean sending shit from ram to the gpu takes a while i would guess. so no wonder it blows up fps.

[cobalt dagger]

not squad necessarily but the rendering pipeline knows to put things in RAM if they cant fit to GPU yet. CUDA for nvidia, i forget AMD's

[spark nexus]

This is how memory managment works in general, if VRAM buffer is filled, it goes to RAM, if RAM is spilled then it goes into pagefile (disk space acting as RAM) and that's it, sometimes some game crashes when there's no pagefile at all.

[cobalt dagger]

yep, better than from disk but this sort of issue is what causes the pip stutter from my testing

[willow trail]

thats actually wild ue5. just lower the quality instead of putting stuff in ram

[cobalt dagger]

it does do that too

[spark nexus]

UE4 was doing the same thing

[willow trail]

no chance if ram filles it goes into storage bro

[spark nexus]

?

[willow trail]

disk space

that is so slow

thats like 100 cycles to get data from no?

[cobalt dagger]

iirc right now the mix of ue4 assets and ue5 optimizations have things really messy and as they remake textures/assets for ue5 it should improve. but idk 🤷‍♂️

[spark nexus]

Yes, that's why it's last resort

[willow trail]

might as well put it in a harddisk lets see how that goes

[spark nexus]

it's useful for data that don't need to be fastly managed

[cobalt dagger]

google/research SWAP memory

[willow trail]

games should be able to run with 16 gb of ram and 8gb of vram without filling imo

[spark nexus]

Squad does run tho, it just on some maps it has memory leaks.

[cobalt dagger]

8gb of vram doesnt work for high texture resolution games. the issue is there's a bigger spread of hardware capabilities than ever before

[willow trail]

i know. the game just needs to lower the setting

[cobalt dagger]

serverside mem leaks iirc

[willow trail]

tell the user fuck you get a better gpu or survive with lower settings

[cobalt dagger]

nothing of such nature has been reported with credibility on the client

[willow trail]

bro wha

how?

what does the server store that would lead to memory leaks

[cobalt dagger]

the server is far more complicated than the client

[willow trail]

is it tho?

[cobalt dagger]

literally all player data, map data, sound system data, etc etc etc

[willow trail]

map data?

[cobalt dagger]

vehicle data

[willow trail]

why doesnt the client store the map data?

[cobalt dagger]

both do

[willow trail]

?????

for anti cheat?

thats why the server stores map data?

[spark nexus]

How else would you move and tell server at which coordinates you are at?

[willow trail]

i asked because it didnt make sense.

[spark nexus]

It did make sense.

[cobalt dagger]

how would the server validate user input/packets, simulate movement, and update entity positions without knowing map geometry

[willow trail]

so anti cheat...

[spark nexus]

Anti cheat is completely irrelevant

[cobalt dagger]

sure that's a component

but it's more fundamentally about just having enough information to do the task required

the server isn't a P2P relay between clients. the server is the ground truth mediating 100 clients with varying latency, sequencing their actions, executing them, and updating the clients with whatever new/relevant info they need

[willow trail]

p2p isnt safe

i mean i guess you could make it safe. but forcing people to p2p each other means alot of network strain per client

[cobalt dagger]

p2p netcodes have been moved away from for good reason

[willow trail]

i still wonder where the memory leak is but whatever. i am not into graphics programming but for example if i enter a scope. is it exploding because its rewriting all of the vram?

[willow trail]

its kinda based but kinda not also privacy gg

everyone knows everyones ip very incredible

you could have a server in the middle to hide ips but eh

[spark nexus]

Because it needs to re-render stuff, if you are VRAM limited it can take time to load up all the stuff and draw 2 pictures at once

Images need to be synced and not face any visual issues.

[cobalt dagger]

if the stutters you're referring to are the 7fps 1% lows and minimum fps (red line) dips, i would guess this to be the cause first:

idk how chunky your laptop is but if the CPU is very hot you may experience it reducing clock speed as stutters. the screenshot shows it at 3.17GHz, that cpu should be capable of 5GHz with sufficient cooling (you probably wont get this in a laptop ever, but 3.17 is quite far). it isn't able to run at its full thermal load, and when it hits a soft limit it interrupts and reduces speed.

you are correct that the system shouldn't stutter except for possibly during ADS with pip.

[cobalt dagger]

steam does this to pretty great success. its why playing indie games on steam usually (if they used the api instead of rolled their own) dont leak your ip

[spark nexus]

I do even wonder if he is even under AC connected, because it would explain a lot xd.

[cobalt dagger]

memory leak just means you asked to have some memory for something, anything big or small, and you never give it back when you're done. so the program has a pattern of asking for more and not returning it, the system obliges, and eventually resources are exhausted

usually they happen when there's a different issue causing the system that asked for that memory gets broken in some way and you "forget where it was".

e.g. you're storing a list of people's bullets, but some bug causes you to forget what mid-way and just restart/remake the list. the old list still exists somewhere but never got cleaned up because the system managing it broke

[spark nexus]

Sometimes it can be just an innocent small loop that can get big over time

[cobalt dagger]

yeah it doesn't matter how much you lose at a time, just that the pattern exists. because if it exists the resource exhaustion is eventually inevitable

[limpid rivet]

12 of 16 gb use look in task manager how much used

ant the other one 0.6 gb of 16 its if it full

then this will by used . but thats slower

why legs

[cobalt dagger]

what? sorry im not sure what this was relevant to can you refresh me

are you asking why there is shared memory in use?

[limpid rivet]

no why there legs with 8 gb

[cobalt dagger]

....?

[limpid rivet]

squad need more then 8 gb v ram

to run smooth

[cobalt dagger]

im so lost

are you trying to assert that the vram requirements are wrong because you're using 12gb instead of 8gbm

[limpid rivet]

squad use more then 8 gb on high settings 1440p

[cobalt dagger]

well yeah of course it uses more than 8gb on high settings? i think at max settings it tries to use 14-15gb

[limpid rivet]

if you onlky have 8 gb the game use the normal memory and thats slower

[cobalt dagger]

sure, IF you dont lower your settings to lower the vram usage

im really confused what the point you're trying to make is. to me you're just saying "you need more vram for higher settings", am i missing something still?

[willow trail]

max settings its giving my gpu a hard time.

i have a 20gb vram gpu i think its throtteling it reaches at max 88 celsius on the hotspot. most places 80 which is fairly reasonable. so it kinda sucks i gotta use high for a 100% smooth experience.

[cobalt dagger]

88 at hotspot isnt throttled

[willow trail]

i know

[cobalt dagger]

oh ok i see wym

[willow trail]

thats why its weird that its struggling

my cpu is on 70 max

[limpid rivet]

https://discord.com/channels/91294111071469568/1416858742263386122 7.3 its running out !!!! it start go in to you memory ram !

[cobalt dagger]

bruh he dont stop

[red echo]

So when is the optimization update coming?

[sharp pagoda]

in ue{+1_version_from_now}

[astral turret]

its already wayy more optimized compared to ue4

[kindred gulch]

I cant even run the shooting range anymore 😩 its so stuttery

It says the minimum is 6gb vram i have 6gb vram but its trying to draw 12 gb vram according to steam performance overlay

[misty swift]

Resolution and graphics settings?

[kindred gulch]

All low 3050 6gb oc edition and i5 9600k also oc

And dlss

[thorn lion]

Did you clear squad cache?

Game will run like total crap

[misty swift]

RESOLUTION?

[kindred gulch]

1920x1080p?

[kindred gulch]

How do i do that again i did it during the playtest but not since

[spark nexus]

Win + R and type %LocalAppData%/SquadGame/ and nuke the Saved folder

[kindred gulch]

Its smoother now but bruh

Standing still btw

[spark nexus]

Those poor 6 cores lol.

[kindred gulch]

Hopefully this gets more optimized in the future im gonna have to delete squad 😭

[severe glacier]

d3d12 caches stuff in vram when it is not needed, so whilst you are using more than 8gb, it doesn't mean that the game needs more than 8gb.

[limpid rivet]

I have never stutters only after IT Go to 15.6 GB of 16 ist stutters

[still holly]

how the hell do you get squad to overflow your vram with a 16gb card

[clever crest]

Generally squads more optimized now main issue is the VRAM leakage

Maybe someone more technical could know why it happens and why it jumped VRAM usage THAT much

[misty swift]

Nanite requires more vram than the old solution.

[clever crest]

Nanite should be saving up VRAM as far as I know. That's like one of it's main selling points

[misty swift]

Compared to having the old engine render every mesh at infinite distance, it probably does.

[severe glacier]

other way around, nanite uses more memory in exchange for being faster for higher quality meshes at distance

[sleek zenith]

this is the optimisation update 😂

[limpid rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAMGTlWwg68 THE GAME NEED OPTIMISATION in V ram use. there are a lot of player with 8 gb gpus.

[thorn lion]

Too bad nanite is not being used properly

[limpid rivet]

Why you think?

[thorn lion]

Modders have mentioned that it does, let me find the quote

[spark nexus]

Is it gonna take a week to find it xd?

[thorn lion]

3 weeks infact

[spark nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/l3gacord-stare-laughing-emoji-blue-slime-gif-14668909583579328987

[sleek zenith]

what happend to DX11 AND DX12 options in settings?

[spark nexus]

it's DX12 only now due Nanite, VSM and others.

[misty swift]

Dx11 is obsolete

[sleek zenith]

dx11 for squad ran better then dx12

for me anyways

[misty swift]

On ue4 it did for some, this is irrelevant for ue5 performance

[wanton juniper]

This game is now unplayable on my 7900gre

[sand spruce]

When you aim down sight, the pip scope is literally a second camera angle placed on top of the normal camera angle. I believe the game renders both views separately and simultaneously (hence Picture in Picture) which is why performance is so bad while ADS. They attempted to add a setting that removed the normal camera angle while ADS and just made it a black background around the scope but it had a lot of issues and bugs.

It is amazing but on a lower end gpu it'll cost you 30% of your 99th percentile fps.

[still holly]

yeah, it eats a lot of cpu time

[oak cave]

Does anyone play on a 4060 laptop with 140 TDP at (2k) 1440p? Is it normal with DLSS? Balance/quality, what is the performance?

[half folio]

either there really was no thought behind adding pip or it was an honest "go fuck yourself" from devs

cant see it any other way
the old system worked fine, looked okay, new one didnt bring anything meaningful to justify the performance hit and looks like ass

[red echo]

Technically, that's what they've said and done since the release of UE5, no update, news, notice that they're going to optimize and fix Squad UE5's problems, nothing, They just keep promoting Squad as the best, when it doesn't even meet the technical specifications they put on Steam.

[sand spruce]

The old pip worked the same way, the game was just "easier" to run then.

[half folio]

it wasn't pip before ICO :/

and i don't really care that "the new recoil system needs PiP to work" or whatever their excuse is, the performance hit is NOT worth it

[limpid rivet]

I don't expect any further performance improvements. If anything, maybe there will be better RAM utilization to prevent stuttering. AVG FPS will Not Go better .

[half folio]

as i said, big f u to players from the devs
thanks a lot guys

[red echo]

Yep :/ they turned Squad into Star Citizen, anyway there's the Operation Harsh Droostop project, and Arma Reforger

[half folio]

OHD bad

[mossy harness]

bruh, I get more frames and stable experience on Star Citizen 💀 (bugs aside lol)

[spark nexus]

also Star Citizen gets new performance updates lately like Vulkan rendering so that's pretty cool

[carmine tree]

The Squas has improved a lot since the last hotfixes

[frigid gust]

Good boy

[thorn lion]

@static cosmos Do you rate PC Builds, I threw this together for a buddy and figured running it past you would be wise
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dankdud/saved/wLqsnQ

[static cosmos]

The build might be cheaper. For example, the Crucial can be replaced with an Adata 960. An 850-watt power supply, if not future-proof, would be more than sufficient for the build. A 550-watt power supply is more than sufficient for the build.

the rest is generally excellent

[thorn lion]

I looked for a lower watt PSU but only found jank brands for about 50-100 usd less so I just grabbed that one because it was rated good in the psu cultist website.

Thanks man

[cobalt dagger]

dont gamble on cheap PSUs. best case you save $20-40. worst case it fails in a way that fries your whole system and the company wont cover the warranty for it

oh nvm i think i misread what you said? switched off the jank? idk

statement still true :)

[thorn lion]

Yea i couldn’t find a lower wattage that was not jank

I dont feel bad about goinga bit higher on PSU unlike some builds that have like a $200 case or a liquid cooler

[dapper hamlet]

OWİ ANANI AVRADINI BAK

[glad shuttle]

ilginç

[tame junco]

@void valve

As a Community manager, can you tell us if the team has any plan how to optimize the game?

People have to believe in something, even though we get hotfixes, we don't know what all the work behind the scenes is aimed at.

Maybe optimization roadmap or something.

And list of the bugs that is known and in the work.

Sorry for the ping, but community needs some information directly from the studio.

[red echo]

At this point, ping is necessary... We have not received any official message.

[hollow delta]

It seems like the devs aren't doing anything to really improve the game and fix the bugs. They forget about the new content and take the whole team and fix the game. You know that after the graphics engine, there were many more problems with the quick release of this new graphics engine update.
If you want money, we can make a donation

Envie uma mensagem em "the game is horrible"

#squad-general

[lapis whale]

I’m sure people have said this before, but Narva framerate is owchie and there’s quite a bit of stutter. I’m just hoping that the map gets a UE5 performance makeover sooner rather than later. I’m not asking for an extensive Basrah-esque overhaul, just some time taken to bring its performance on par with several other maps.

Granted, maybe my experience is unique and other people aren’t noticing much of a performance drop on the map.

[limpid rivet]

https://youtu.be/24r67QROzms?si=uwZSk4XAWJ5KMMLY

[tame junco]

Yeah, I saw it
Nice, driver crash bug

Was anything else mentioned?

[spark nexus]

just yapping

nothing else important

[hollow delta]

I want a refund

[red echo]

So... When exactly are the devs going to say something or are we just screwed for not having a 5090 as players?

[kindred gulch]

I tried again today so much better i got good fps and ue5 fixed my problem with combat before i couldnt see anything at long distances so i had my best game since i first started the game in 2022

There was some problems with the scope the snow texture would like glitch into my scope

[royal trench]

@quartz spindle give us ability to turn off pip

@void valve

[royal trench]

my bad twin 🙏

[split badge]

Streets of tarkov, runs better than narva for me. An incredibly detailed map with dozens of ai and 15+ players with 1000+ items thats spawn and are lootable runs better than a baron map with no interiors and 720p textures. Crazyyy

[stark berry]

Please utilize X3D processors

Running Ryzen 7 7800X3D with Radeon 5700XT 8gb graphics

I used to run 90-150fps on medium-high settings depending on map + arty and mortars but on UE5 on all medium settings barely runns 60fps at all

[static cosmos]

you have gpu bottleneck

[kindred cedar]

Any txt files to gain more fps ? Please help me

Or any files to implement

[spark nexus]

There's nothing like that.

[sleek zenith]

vram is your issue

squad is very vram intesive

try decrease texture settings and see if that makes a differences

[thorn lion]

Oh theres something like that

[spark nexus]

For squad to gain FPS? Not really, maybe forcing lowest scalability graphics values but other than that I doubt anything else works.

[thorn lion]

He is talking about .ini

Those are text files that decide what does or does not render

[spark nexus]

I know what he's talking about.

[sand spruce]

Our .ini will be wildly different based on the hardware we have and will probably run poorly for him. Best to just hit the default button, run the internal stress test. Launch training on Jenson's and test/tinker from there.

[misty swift]

Which fog?

[sand spruce]

Guessing he means the "fog" from global illumination while indoors looking outdoors

[frigid gale]

regardless of the bottleneck X3D cpus have taken a hit since UE5

there has been a big decrease in FPS

some maps I have -30 or -20 and others I have -100

its pretty crazy lol

[misty swift]

This has nothing to do with your cpu, its just that your gpu is the bottleneck now

[frigid gale]

My GPU shouldn't be bottle necking

I'm running a 9070 xt

If you are referring to the other guy then yea maybe

[misty swift]

The gpu should always be the bottleneck at more than 1080p

This is normal

[frigid gale]

I did notice that my CPU and GPU usage has more or less switched around since UE5 with my GPU running closer to 100% and my CPU running around 30-40%