OPTIMIZATION REQUESTS

[rotund echo]

Maybe you can run Factorio ?

Or some lightweight game

League of Legend will most likely work

But asking a 100 players 20km² map like Squad to run on this is very optimistic

[austere tree]

Wtf

[rotund echo]

Yea

While searching for benchs I found that his AMD CPU was comparable to an I7 3700 or something

so it's not even bad

It's just

Squad is too memory constraint for it to work

Hence why I answered with an NVME drive plugged into a PCIE slot, but after checking for PCI gen 2 speed it appeared to be useless

Even that Russian RAM magician won't be able to save that DDR3

Can still ping him for funzies though

[hexed tapir]

For the record the system runs War Thunder on Movie Quality at 80FPS

Arma runs very well with little to no issues and i can slam Crisis 3 at 40FPS stable on High Quality

Ironically when Squad is behaving itself and not doing stupid things with the audio thread it averages 80 FPS during arty bombardments in squad on high graphics. I'm pretty sure the issue is just shit optimization in Squads backend code.

The Wargame series: Runs fine with no issues. (60-120FPS)
Mechwarrior Online at Max Graphics: no issues or stuttering (60-80FPS)
Hell Let Loose: 60-80FPS High Graphics No stutter
Space Hulk Deathwing- Enhanced: 60-80FPS (occasional stutter on Max Graphics)
Battlefield V Max Graphics: 60-80FPS No stuttering
Just Cause 2: 60-80FPS on High settings no noticable issues

Hell, Cyberpunk didn't give me this many issues.....

GPU usually tops at around 53C usually less (I have adjusted the cooling to be a bit more aggressive)
CPU looks at the game and simply laughs (tops out at 60% usage even when the game locks up and just keeps chewing away and the temp don't even go any hotter than 53C

The Temps were pulled after playing Squad on High Graphics for over 4 hours straight.

and the fun part is the Heat Sink.... its STOCK

[crude jolt]

upgrading the system is not an option optimizing the game is

[crude jolt]

but NoOoOoOo It HaS tO bE yOuR rIgS fAuLt FoR gEtTiNg LoW fPs It SuReLy CaNt bE sQuAd HaViNg ShIt OpTiMiZaTiOn!!!!!

[austere tree]

@crude jolt yeah sure. Just optimize your Squad, bruh, that's all

[static cosmos]

yesterday a guy told me about bad optimization of the game, he had 7800x3d and 60 frames in the game.

then it turned out that he didn't even have the xmp profile enabled

[fluid frost]

Nah but real bro I have shit performance with a decent rig ahahah

[static cosmos]

Should the game be optimized for such people too?

[static cosmos]

I don’t remember, what the configuration you have?

[fluid frost]

3060 ti, 11th gen 11700k i7, 16 g ram

Basically tried a lot

40-50 fps max

1440

Medium graphics

I think dlss is on

Other apps are closed

[static cosmos]

3060ti not enough for 1440p

[fluid frost]

Really?

[static cosmos]

Yeah

[fluid frost]

What would you recommend?

For an hpgrsde

Looking to upgrade in my gpu tbh

[static cosmos]

here a person on 10600k has 80-100 frames in the game on average, I don't think the problem is in the processor

[static cosmos]

What kind of motherboard do you have?

[fluid frost]

May you give me some time to look for that? I do not remember it on top of my hesd

[static cosmos]

Win+r msconfig32

[fluid frost]

Yep

[fluid frost]

im pretty sure its a shitty mother

[static cosmos]

It’s not the motherboard

[fluid frost]

oh shi

[static cosmos]

Do you happen to have a computer from thunderbot?

[fluid frost]

thats the only thing that closely resembles a motherboard

[fluid frost]

alienware

dell

[static cosmos]

I advise you to reassemble the computer in general, in fact, the motherboard from alienware is terrible

[fluid frost]

well you see i am not a quite expert in that, and since its especially a alienware, they have some weird shit going on

i would have to watch yts tuts

[fluid frost]

would you know if theres any websites that check for compatibility for the parts i have?

[static cosmos]

You can install any video card. But I still advise you to reassemble it, because updating it is such a hassle

[fluid frost]

You are saying to reassemble the motherboard, as in getting a new motherboard, correct?

[static cosmos]

buy conditionally b650, 7600 or 9600 and ddr5 6000 cl30

socket is already outdated lga 1200

[fluid frost]

I will note this

this would visually improve performance?

[static cosmos]

Yeah

[fluid frost]

all compatible and workable for my type of alienware, correct?

[fluid frost]

so, cpu, mother and ram alr

[hexed tapir]

The last game log for Squad (Running Steel Division Mod) 90% of the errors I'm Seeing are AUDIO errors....

[exotic sand]

This is not a request, just a data point for consideration

I recently switched from an i7 9700k to a 5800x3d, it seems the increased L3 cache has made an enormous improvement to frame consistency (my average FPS did not increase much on my 1080 Ti). I get a consistent ~90 fps on populated servers on most maps (110+ on smaller maps) and very rarely experience frame drops below 70. On Fallujah, one of the least performant maps for me, I get an average of around 70 fps but still rarely get frame drops below 70.

[latent shoal]

This is common with AMD FX CPU's, this line of CPU's has had major trouble with Squad(And other UE4 games) that have more complex soundscapes. The FX line of CPU's have trouble processing the amount of sound sources etc Your best bet is to find the Audio Quality setting, and turn it to low. This doesn't change the audio quality itself, just adjust the sound source/sample limit to something a little lesser.

[scenic parrot]

brother is runing amd fx cpu rip budy

[scenic parrot]

i had i7 3770k and i can tell you squad wos not runing too good on that cpu stuters all over

[hexed tapir]

I only have issues under surprisingly specific circumstances, otherwise the game runs at anywhere from 60-100FPS(settings dependent). Honestly the fix should be simple. They have had YEARS to fix what should be a quick patch fix. My question is this: WHY IN THE HELL HAS THIS NOT ALLREADY BEEN PATCHED?

Check: is AMD processer? Y/N= Y. Then run X config..

Though disabling Windows 10's gaming mode did help quite a bit....

[hexed tapir]

Now it just hiccups a bit then moves on

[rotund echo]

UE5 is the ultimate justification for most of the tech debt.

Public game should swap to UE5 not in too long

And UE5 is said to mostly help with stutters more than FPS, according to interview

[hexed tapir]

Honestly? Squad should have stuck with the Refractor 2 engine. less issues, same graphics capacity.

Then again, EA has a history of ruining things for everyone. I miss Battlefield 2142

[misty swift]

Squad never used this engine nor is it a modern game engine.

Claiming that it could deliver a similar or better result than UE5 makes no sense at all.

[static cosmos]

Here you are talking about refractor 2. And the same Project Reality works poorly with old processors. The same thing happened with Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl mods, where processors with weak single-threaded performance had terrible fps

[hexed tapir]

The same setup I am still running now is the one I was running when I was playing PR, FPS was higher, Lag spikes were far less frequent. and for me and my AMD it DID run better.

Only thing that has really changed is the Windows version....

and getting more ram

[static cosmos]

I don't know, on Xeon for example people suffer in Project Reality

[austere tree]

You forgot that, for example, PR is 1kk triangles game, Squad is 10kk triangles. Also ofc ue4 is devil's creation.

[hexed tapir]

Seems to me its more a case of the coders not taking advantage of available hardware capacity. Tried the UE5. and nearly doubled my FPS in the training zone. same rig same setting, half the lag no dropped frames and the engine is actually using my GTX 1070 to process things instead of trying to cram everything through a single core like a socially inept Politician.

First time I'v ever seen it go above 20%

[rotund echo]

Btw @latent shoal , there is one thing I am curious about regarding optimization

From the interview, Norby explained why render distance was as low as 200m on Fallujah in UE4. Reason beeing that if you render a building, then you have to render all of it, including sides and windows you cannot see because they are either at another level or another side.

He also explained that Squad in UE4 uses dynamic shadows instead of static shadows for widows in buildings for exemple.

He explained that the reason for using the dynamic shadow that are less efficient than static shadow was that static shadows had to be done manualy by employees and the sheer number of shadows to makes for every window and tree of every map made that impossible.

My question is, if the dynamic shadows are used instead of static shadows for shadows that are actualy permanent (the sun never moves so the light source remains the same for the whole time on a round, doesn't get obstucted by clouds either)

Why didn't the devs generate static shadows out of dynamic shadows ? For each layer of every map.

It would have been a single cost once and then in game you just charge the generated static shadows from the disk when loading the map and you're done. You don't have to dynamicaly recalculate them.

Said generated static shadow could be used for everything that was actualy static. Like windows, trees, buildings, and whatever is immobile.

And then keep using dynamic shadows for player characters and vehicles

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.
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Also, i'm anticipating the critic, but who cares about a sun moving as the game passes or clouds obscuring it. Who cares about changing lightning during the game when the average duration of a game is about 45 or 50 minutes. Sound like a lot of headaches to me just to achieve something with little interest

[latent shoal]

To my knowledge, Some dynamic shadows within Squad UE4 are set with a transitional distance to static shadows. I haven't checked in a long time, but this should still be the case in quite a few instances, it's just Dynamic shadows is the primary.

UE5 changes a lot of aspects about shadows and has a lot more granularity when it comes to dialing things in, while being more effecient in quite a few areas too, in terms of application into level design, as well as overall rendering.

[rotund echo]

Ty for your answer

How would you compare the upcoming Dune Awakening to Squad ?

Dune is built on UE5, and it intends to let dozens of players play into a shared map. To my understanding, it is a mix beetwin Rust, Foxhole, PlanetSide 2.

You build a base and craft equipements and vehicles like in Rust, the final goal is to fuel a common war effort like Foxhole, war fought at third person on a big map with many players around objectivs, like PlanetSide 2.

While beeing very different from Squad, it intends to be a large scale PvP game built on UE5, so it might be comparable

I'm curious as to how Dune will fare performance wise.

I downloaded and ran the benchmark and had fairly good FPS without using frame gen nor upscaling, but the benchmark didn't include scenario of fights (so no effects) nor a large fight either

[latent shoal]

It's hard to really gauge things, since information on Dune Awakening on the technical level isn't really out there yet. I would assume technically the game will be closer to Mortal Online 2(Another UE5 MMORPG) rather than Squad, and will be utilizing world partitions for the extreme map scale and breaking up the map with server clusters to prevent 100s of players being in a single node(instance). Squad is still utilizing levels, and doesn't need to focus on world partitions or server clusters for the current scale of the game.

To my knowledge, there's only been really limited testing and no real stress testing of Dune. So can't really say how performance will be, but Mortal Online 2 can give and idea on how things might turn out, which is a hit or miss experience, depending on the player density and how much bandwidth backend systems are hogging. Like Planet side 2 and Mortal Online 2, you'll have players popping into view when crossing nodes, and potential node crashes if too many players concentrate into a single one. In very large player battles, I would expect degraded performance.

Dune Awakening will have the advantage in terms of baseline performance from the map itself, since it's quite barren and not object dense, the density will come from player structures, which if a zerg clan builds a giant compound or city, then I would expect performance to be terrible in that specific area.

[wraith compass]

whats ur setup? iv got a gtx 1070 and i7700k and gave up trying to play this game a while ago cus of stutters etc. but really want to play it

[hexed tapir]

AMD FX-8350
32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 803MHz
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. 970A-DS3P (motherboard)
4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (EVGA)
500GB Western Digital WDC WD6004FZWX-00BKVA0 (SATA )
5Tb Western Digital WDC WDS500G2B0A-00SM50 (SATA (SSD))

She's old but still works very well.

Honestly I think the devs are confused as to how I can even run the game. 30-40FPS with the now occasional drop but somehow UE5 runs better than UE4....

[static cosmos]

because UE5 uses the cpu better, surprisingly?

UE4 relies on single-threaded performance

[hexed tapir]

Kinda dumb that programming always seems to be 3 stages behind the Hardware when it comes to development....

[rotund echo]

It's not dumb it's just logic

Developpers works with the hardware they have at the time

And because developping is long, beetwin the moment they start working and the moment the thing release, several years passes so of course there is a lag beetwin hardware and software

Also most devs, specialy the smallers teams, work with an engine someone else made

So all the talk with optimization actualy happens with the persons who make the engine. The game devs who uses an engine they didn't made can optimize with the tools they are given, but it's not like it's a good idea for them to rewrite the engine

[static cosmos]

By the way, my fps has increased on the new playtest.
In 1440p resolution without upscaling here are 184 frames, on the previous playtest there were 110-130 frames

[rotund echo]

The reason game still heavely relies on single core performance to this day is because intel froze the progress for a good decade at 4 cores. Improvements only came from clock speed and ipc

And before that was the same. Few cores, best vector of progress was making the core betters, cause we couldn't just make more of them

Then AMD came with Ryzen on a multi die design and it completly changed this trend.
Having more cores was the main vector of improvement

But that change still is relatively recent

[hexed tapir]

True, But you should take the time to properly learn what the engine is capable of prior to using it. That and most developers assume that Intel is the be all, end all of processers.

[rotund echo]

According to Steam survey intel still has 60% market share on the cpu side

Which is actualy kinda crazy given how hard it got shit on by AMD ever since Ryzen 5000. Ryzen 3 gens ago was already better than intel in gaming

[hexed tapir]

The real issues tend to not be on the programmers but the Corpo "Leadership" pushing to cut development time and therefor not allowing them to properly work on the backend coding. Hence why the modding community generally has a much better "Product" at the end of the day.

[rotund echo]

?

Who plays games made by suchs companies today ?

Nowadays indies games have never been better and AAA have never been so low

[static cosmos]

There is nothing on the market except unreal and unity.

[hexed tapir]

Anything with EA involved in it falls into the category, Nintendo, Ubisoft, Blizzard...

[rotund echo]

Pretty sure factorio runs on something else

[static cosmos]

Are we talking about engines that can make a game like Squad? Or about every one that exists? Like Gamemaker

[hexed tapir]

Hence why there shouldn't be any excuses for not knowing how to maximize the backend.

[hexed tapir]

Factorio is basically pure C++ with a bit of Allegro[liballeg.org] library for audio and cross platform.

You could run the game on practically anything that can read C++.

[white jay]

does higher AA quality/samples have more or less blur and should i have one or the other higher or lower

[rotund echo]

Depends on what type of AA you are using

I personnaly think you shouldn't use AA at all. The type of AA to be the least performance costly is also the one which tends to blur more.

From my experience not running AA on Squad on both 1080p and 1440p resolutions, the aliasing is very noticeable at 1080p but way less noticeable at 1440p

Im a fps enjoyer though. I would always go for higher frames instead of better graphics untill I hit a fps threshold after which I feel like more is unnecessary.

For reference, every game that is fast pace, 1rst person or 3rd person, I aim for 240 fps

For literaly everything else, like many colony sims or RTS, I stop at 120.

I run a 7900 XTX

Needless to say, the only time Squad runs at 240 fps is in offline Jensen. In game i have around 120 but that's far from the 236 frame cap

[hexed tapir]

I get 20-40FPS, and I think the devs are confused as to how I'm even getting that much on a AMD FX-8350...

[fluid frost]

Has this new update for ue5 changed performance in a better way?

[rotund echo]

Yes

On a few things but not fps though

[white jay]

does anyone know why my mic stopped working? now it is making a big static white noise sound and i hear a faint chatter from radio broadcasts and music in the middle east

[scarlet mist]

I have about +-20 more fps but visuals are way better

[fluid frost]

20 more fps and good visuals is nice

[dense rampart]

It’s a mix between good and bad for me. Last play test was perfect this one I kept going down to 5 fps and back to 80

[tiny plank]

Yeah, increasing resolution has the effect of reducing the need for AA and vice-versa

[tiny plank]

Anti-aliasing in Squad includes Temporal Anti-Aliasing by default, unfortunately this type of anti-aliasing takes previous and new frames, and combines them

The effect is that the image becomes more blurry in motion

And since your screen is always moving in Squad, you're gonna basically always have this blur xd

[tiny plank]

I dont think that makes sense... We had 6 core processors for longer than 10 years now.

Also Squad isn't reliant on a single core like people here seem to think, a lot of Sqaud's code IS multitasked. In fact, Squad itself launches like hundreds of threads. The problem lies more with different threads relying on each-other too much and going into deadlocks. So the Async programming in Squad is shit.

There is also other dumb things they do, for example Squad does some weird stuff with memory that makes Windows Defender Control Flow Guard heavily throttle it.

And surprisingly disabling mutlithreading makes performance in Squad better (again because threads rely too much on each-other and go into deadlocks)

[static cosmos]

Synchronizing multiple threads with the main application thread

in the squad. isn't it?

the game uses 8 threads, and the main load is on two

[static cosmos]

the game can be called single-threaded, although it does transfer small tasks to other threads

[tiny plank]

well it creates a lot of threads

[white jay]

so no matter the setting it will be more or less blurry?

[slow pendant]

In ue4 at least we can fully turn off AA which makes it jaggy but very clear... In ue5 that option goes away entirely so best to get used to it

[sleek zenith]

RIP 1080p gaming

[austere tree]

Are you sure? Because in current version of ue5 you can turn it off

[slow pendant]

Yeah but I tested quite extensively on the first play test and disabling it entirely led to the rendering being extremely messed up. Not jaggy... Like it was rendering at 640x480

[austere tree]

looks like low screen percentage maybe

I guess it's alright now

Well, trees and shadows are awful, but overall is ok

[misty swift]

Yeah because you have to set the resolution right.

[misty swift]

No, with DLSS it is not more blurry than UE4

[tiny plank]

no aa = less blurry, but shimmery

[tiny plank]

DLSS adds blur in motion usually

it does sharpen TAA but its fake effect

[misty swift]

You ignored the last part of my statement here.

[cobalt relic]

I'm shocked that my graphics card is running at over 90% usage, along with the CPU, and the FPS is high too. I never had this issue in a warehouse map on Unreal Engine 4.

On the shooting range made with Unreal Engine 4, I used to get 60–70 FPS

[steel walrus]

UE5 uses more resources so some may see a FPS increase some may seen a drop in fps

[rotund echo]

Big news actualy. The main factor limiting fps was the game's inability to tap into the hardware

[teal wing]

I'm using a 9070xt and performance was much better this test but still unplayable. hoping for fsr4 support soon

I would like a smooth 60fps instead of a choppy 70

[austere tree]

wtf even rx6600 is not that bad

well maybe THAT bad, but its rx6600

[slim path]

idk why the frame gen dosent someone can tell why? I got 4060

[teal wing]

f in the chat for you my friend that 4060 is trash lol

[rotund echo]

4k ?

[fluid frost]

hows the performance in playtest 3#

[magic elbow]

very bad, more bad than the first PT for me

[fluid frost]

What’s ur hardware

[magic elbow]

3700x 32gb ram ddr4 2060 super

@fluid frost

[fluid frost]

I see

Well the map u played was always unoptimized so

[magic elbow]

My ggame when i unscope

[vague mulch]

We have implemented an introductory option for replacing Picture in Picture (PiP) scopes for players with lower end computers, or anyone that feels the significant drop in FPS when using a PiP scope. This setting will be available for anyone to enable in the settings menu.

finally! bring to life pseudo-pip that was work in progress some time ago

[thorn lion]

Holy based imo

I am very surprised

[dull token]

yay, always had the feeling PiP was set in stone and they wouldnt budge.
Glad it happened.
I'm fine with no PiP at all

[thorn lion]

I am no longer surprised

There were big perf differences on the range this guy noted

[dull token]

wait, new pip ?

i thought they let you remove PiP

[latent shoal]

A second option was added, that is basically PiP for potato PC's - Where the optic is still PiP, but the peripheral view isn't being rendered.

[dull token]

Ohhhhh, interesting, so one camera, instead of two (i wonder if you can still call it PiP then 🤔 )

i'll take the no Pip at all :D, FPS and peripheral view. wait now i wonder ...
if i misunderstood, and you dont have the choice to remove PiP, basically like it was before. If so i'm dumbfounded 😄

cant post links ? ok,
So reading the post on the PT squad discord, this is so dumb

Just give us the option to remove PiP entirely, instead of creating YET another useless feature. it was fine before and better in any way shape or form and dont destroy perf
You had the zoom, the fov, the peripheral vision, it was blurred so you have a periferal vision disadvantage but still awareness, not being lost when zooming in. Like i dont get it...

[magic elbow]

You might as well put back the old aiming system which was more optimized and is much better than the PiP

[latent shoal]

Squads gunplay consists of many systems, that are tied to the weapons aiming view(PiP). Stabalization, suppression, movement etc that affect eyebox, eye relief and overall weapon alignment and stability. Which each optic has their own FOV, eye relief and eye box.

Adding a 2D option, would entail a complete separate ICO, to branch off of the main ICO, to accommodate mechanical differences between PiP & 2D. Which means it would also mean two separate gunplay systems would have to be maintained, and would also mean constant iteration and balancing with every content update with weapons, to try keep a semblance of balance parity between both aim views.

It would also take a decent amount of development resources and time, to even try achieve something like this. Other games can offer PiP and 2D, due to being a lot more simple under the hood, mechanically.

[dull token]

yeah well, that is something they brought on themselves adding PiP, which ihmo was wrong from the start, so it's fair to say it would be impossible to manage, well, it'd be nice to see them finally admit they were wrong adding it in the first place, but similar to ICO, it would be hard to justify all the development cost to add ICO and remove it, which they can't and basically had to nerf it to a basically barely manageable(aka virtually removing most of it).

basically go from left to right, same FOV, apply all the ICO thing if you really care, all the things that would apply in the new fake PiP, apply it with the blurred side before ICO scopes

[violet steeple]

basically

[glass python]

I'm no dev but isn't it possible to include a resolution slider for the world around the scope? It's out of focus and blurry anyways, so having it at 100% seems like a huge waste of resources.

I also believe UE5 (and even UE4) has a Dynamic Resolution blueprint that automatically lowers the resolution to target a specific framerate. Can't this be used either to improve the performance?

[rotund echo]

No offense but did the devs study the case of PlanetSide 2 ?

It's kinda similar

PlanetSide 1 and 2 lived off a solid niche of fans for literaly 2 decades I belive. The developpement team was small, the game concept was unique.
And I mean unique literaly. Nothing like PlanetSide exists.

Then

They did something amazing

While the game was unique enought to live off for years by literaly not doing anything to it, just maintaining the servers

The devs started to invest their efforts into things no one asked for

To bring up a new vision no one understands

And after brutaly murdering the game for years

Ppl started to be fed up with it

And once the players cross the line

They don't come back

And now the game is on its deathbed, merging servers to try to extend its lifespan

One core exemple of things PlanetSide 2 messed up realy badly was the flight system for its aircraft

The fly system of PlanetSide 2 was pure, raw genius

Simple, yet effective. Accessible, yet very skilled

So what did they do this masterfully crafted, beautifull thing ?

They butchered it mercylessly by messing the mouse inputs.
Basicaly, they wanted to bring in new players from consoles. So they changed the perfect mouse control to some horrendous joystick emulator

And, just like this, in a single patch, they forever killed their flight system

Squad is very similar to PlanetSide 2 in thoses regards

No one asked for ICO

No one asked for the ATGM rework

Yet, now they exists, and the game is forever different to what players used to like

Btw, on thoses topics.
Imo, you could argue ICO makes the game different, but maybe better on some aspect

But I think the ATGM rework was a straight downgrade in every aspect.
You could literaly roll back the ATGM to how they were before and the game would be better

Some might argue ATGM needed this nerf, but imo, they didn't. Cause their logistics cost and stationnary nature were downsides big enought to compensate for their strengh already

but anyway

[steel walrus]

How does any of that have to do with optimization lol

And 1. ICO isnt being rolled back, its here to stay and will be iterated on
2. ATGM rework makes the ATGM's more realistic (or was supposed to, seems they've made them less so)
3. You say the devs should study planetside 2 but then also say they killed the game??

[latent shoal]

The view outside of the reticle, is the main scene, that the PiP scene renders from. Lowering the outside resolution scale, would cause PiP to lose resolution, despite the independent PiP resolution setting being a thing - So to prevent this, it would require a bunch of prioritizing between different passes and insert the new functionality of downscaling the main scene while in ADS, while keeping resolution scale independent between scenes, without negatively impacting each other.

It could be done, but this in itself, could have performance draw backs, additional frame ghosting and a variety of other things, especially if playing with upscalers like FSR or DLSS.

[glass python]

Got it. But so wait, this new implementation where the outside world is black, how does that work? The scope itself became the main render scene here?

[latent shoal]

To my knowledge, the scope itself is still rendering from the main scene information, just the main scene is being culled in a separate pass, post PiP render, so it's almost like having a single scene rendering, even though it's not.

I'd have to double check

[slim path]

very bad

[sleek zenith]

pretty gud

[rotund echo]

Well yea study a case of failure to not repeat it, what's surprising here ?

Although, rest is wildly off topic

On the topic of performance though, PlanetSide suffered from terrible pop in issue.

They didn't have nanite or anything.

The game had the tendency to render players and players assets all at once. One second you see nothing the next 50 planes pop 800 m away from you.

Squad don't have a similar problem this bad but i'm glad render distance is finaly adressed

The reason I rambled off topic though is that I realized that even if the devs actualy manage technicals wonders by having no render distance issues at all and peak performance, I still wouldn't get back to play the game.

The gameplay has been murdered way too much

[fluid frost]

How has the gameplay been murdered?

[rotund echo]

ICO + ATGM Rework

When I play im pretty versatile. Can do anything but I don't want to be a Inf SL cause that's too much of a burden. Can play all vehicules including helis, play ATGM sometimes

And before ICO I used to play inf while waiting for my vehicle to spawn. Cause i'm still a vehicle player mainly

After ICO I would rather just afk in base, it's actualy funnier to stay in base waiting for your asset to spawn rather than to play infrantry

Same for ATGM

Before their rework, they were very efficient and balanced.
After their rework they are a net loss of ressources. In time, manpower, and logistics.

Like you tell me I have to drive a logi truck across half the map to then set a FOB (20 tickets risk btw), place a 600 construction asset, dig it with my shovel, load 500 ammo in it for a single shot, all for said shot to be completly unreliable ?

Hell, just take HAT kit and drive a quad, you will have better result than an ATGM.
EVEN with said HAT also been nerfed compared to before because of ICO

At least if you die with HAT you won't cost your team 20 tickets. 6 at most if you die and loose your Kord
You also won't stuck a logi in a corner of the map nor risk a heli pilot to die

[slow pendant]

Best not to take this optimization thread in that direction. The doom and gloom crowd will latch on and it'll derail this thread. There are a bunch of "you're killing the game" threads already in this feedback channel, would suggest asking there

[spark nexus]

so if it can be done then it should be done or get rid of PiP otherwise, it's performance tanker and really makes infantry gameplay worse in general

worse fps = worse experience, i even often play with vehicles with my friends because its more fun and game doesnt perform worse

its all buttery smooth and aiming through guns on vehicles like RPGs don't have PiP, how that so? OWI must have missed that smh

[latent shoal]

This is why the introductory solution has been added, it's PiP for potato PC's, until Full-PiP itself, undergoes more planned optimizations, as UE5 development continues, or the introductory solution is further looked into.

[spark nexus]

welp, it works worse than the RPG scopes that are on some vehicles tho

[teal wing]

it's not the devs really it's the people higher up.

devs are just employees

[rotund echo]

No ?

That might be the case for large studios directed marketing directors who are driven by money hungry shareholders

But both Squad and PlanetSide 2 are small independant teams

That excuse don't work for everyone

[half folio]

so about the scopes
what's the point of having some scopes be objectively worse and provide smaller picture?
it's one of those cases where sure, u could say it's like that IRL, but then SQUAD is a game at the end of the day and gameplay matters more
it's a horrible balancing feature (if it's that)
why not have it be consistent between roles?

nobody's gonna be like "i'm glad i got the smaller picture scope because this is how X is in real life"
more like a frustration that ur at a disadvantage and it's because of what? something that nobody really cares

ik this isn't really related to optimization but it's annoying and feels very inconsistent unless let's say that specific optic is what you used IRL during your service

most players here are just players
gameplay and better balanced game > realism for most in here

[rotund echo]

Let's be real, the real, hardcore, sweaty milsimers play Arma

So idk why Squad made the radical turn that ICO is

Trying to appeal to players that don't play your game while pissing off players that actualy play your game

There is a reason why I played Squad and not Arma

PiP is yet another feature of "realism" no one asked for, that accidentaly killed fps

I must say though, there is one role in the game who won after ICO and that is marksman.

Before ICO Marksman was just a meme. "Just get a scope on your rifleman kit" kind of thing.

After ICO and PiP marksman with its real 12x + zoom actualy became usefull

[steel walrus]

I'm sorry but they are right, devs are simply just employees, whatever the higher ups say goes. If the OWI CEO said to drop UE5 today they would have to go for it, Planetside 2's dev team is also a publically traded company who also have to listen to higher ups, neither of them are indie teams.

Either way I have to say this is still not related to optimization this is just arguing nothing that matters

[latent shoal]

The design decision for Optics, within the ICO - Was for them to be the most authentic implementation of PiP on the market, with this entailed that each optics real life characteristics, when it comes to eyebox, eye relief, lense quality, magnification and FOV, to be as close as to 1:1 representation, of their real life counterpart, as usability/playability allows.

Apart of this design choice, was to also show the difference between each optic type and their respective generation, and that weighing in on the player, when it comes to faction, role and kit choice.

Unfortunately, that means for optics that are quite poopy in reality....are quite poopy in Squad, such as the PU scope. And factions that rely on older generations of optics, also have a poopier time.

Every optic in Squad, was acquired and accurately recreated in Squad. As this ICO teaser image, shows some of that in studio.

[half folio]

that's just no

you're using the scope in a poopy way, the scope is fine

[latent shoal]

Eyecups suck for peripheral vision in reality too. If anything, the PiP potato option, is actually more authentic when it comes to eyecups, since proper use of one, you have basically 0 peripheral vision

[half folio]

because you stick your face to it
that's how you use it, and you get bigger picture

[half folio]

what's the point when u gonna have zero peripheral vision anyways?
just put ur face closer to optic as it is done irl
and save yourself the trouble of ugly blacked out background

[latent shoal]

Putting your eye closer to the optic lens, isn't always a viable option in reality, especially when it comes to soviet era weapons, still relying on fixed dovetail rails and butt stocks. You can't really adjust the optic position or buttstock freely within individual length of pull, to maintain eye relief and eyebox/exit pupil threshold.

Which is one of the reasons eye cups became a thing, since not only did it help with light causing glare issues, but also helped the shooter maintain their eyeline, within the eyebox threshold. Anyway, the way optics are set up mechanically and how each variable(Eyebox, Eye relief, Exit pupil, FOV) and how these things affect other things such as magnification, ballistics and visual recoil, it's actually a pain in the arse to adjust optics, especially when their specific formula, is set up for a completely different set of variables. It's not just a matter of, moving the face(or in this case, player 1P camera) closer to the optic.

I suggest reading this, to get an understanding of how the optics work in the game. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hr1U2o4q_RDoH4YoT2mxgfx1D7AMP_qFzIB78WcUfRI/edit?tab=t.0

[rotund echo]

That's funny to hear cause when someone say that the chinese bias is due to Tencent devs and mods are realy fast to answer that Tencent has no role in the decision making.

So what ? Then no one have to take accontability for decisions ?

[tiny plank]

Don't forget the fucking Heli rotor just clipping your TOW's wire when TOW hits it...

Also 3 logis to 2 logis downgrade xd

That 3 logis to 2 logis has downgraded games so much... Same with giving every faction so many vehicles now that it's not that crazy to suddenly see like 20 squads, with only 3 full INF squads

[rotund echo]

Yea ofc I didnt forget
ATGM rework broke ATGM so hard a heli just has to tilt his nose toward the incoming missile so that the missile dies on its rotor

[tiny plank]

Don't forget that the spread of ATGM is literally fixed distance of your monitor, not even something that becomes lower as the missile flies, making it ridiculous at long ranges

[rotund echo]

Said spread shouldn't even exist btw

Some argue it's for "muh realism" and yea sure in reality ATGM wiggles a bit but it's barely noticable

So why even bother simulating it

There are a few decisions like this I will never understand

As far as I know Abrams still reloads 1,5 seconds faster that everyone else, for no reason

The chinese ZBL IFV are still the only IFV in the game to have ATGM while beeing considered an equal and balanced counterpart to a LAV6, CROW or BTR82, for god knows why

[tiny plank]

Well it wiggles a lot relative to the size of the ATGM, but the problem in Squad is that the ATGM is hardcoded to wiggle some distance on ur monitor, which means that the further it travels the worse the wiggle is in terms of a physical size like metres

[rotund echo]

50 cm is not a lot lul

[tiny plank]

Tencent making China OP tbf, ZBL's are literally tank killers in this game

[tiny plank]

yeah that's the thing at 1km range in Squad the spread becomes like 5 metres or something

[rotund echo]

A good 5 m or more yes

Your missile wiggle so much, if you aim centermass of a tank, the missile can decide to either miss the target by flying over it or plunging straight into the ground

Pretty crazy how random and unreliable they are

Dont even try to shoot at a hull downed tank the chances of missing are higher than the chances of hitting, on a stationnary target.

And im not even taking about dealing dmg aka penetrating, im talking just hitting the target

It's pretty crazy to think that even at 1000m range, a skilled HAT player will have better consistency shooting a 80 ammo ordonnance than a guy praying for its 500 ammo ordonnance to connect

[steel walrus]

Tencent has a minority stake in the company. Also once again this has nothing to do with optimization requests

[latent shoal]

Lets get this thread, back on track thanks. Create feedback threads or utilize general channel for unrelated topics.

[fluid frost]

i would prefer having stable 80 fps and loosing some gameplay

[limpid rivet]

playtest tilltomorrow

the solution they give its black outside of scoope

from 90 fps to 130 fps in scope

because the game only need to render on picture then 2

[rotund echo]

#1230645447270465657 message

[slim wolf]

Oops

[vernal sable]

stop legs and body sticking through walls which never got fixed from day 1.

[fluid frost]

anyone seeing increased performance or loss in performance

[steady badge]

I tell you why Squad is running like shit. If you use admin cam and look under the map, you will see that they just reused assets and didn´t cut away the parts that are under the map. They are all being calculated too. They all have texture, collision masks and are taking away computing power. Devs that don´t know this is bs can´t fix things in the future. After being Admin on an official server I am so done with OWI. Admin tools are pathetic and amateurish. You have to buy extra software to track cheaters and trolls, you have to hand in clips for everything that gets a ban and you get the worst of all tools and type in everything in console. Then you have to figure out who has messed with the ini files to just get all trees to disappear on screen and gets no detection by anto cheat... It´s such a mess and OWI won´t adress or fix it. There is no way for an admin to detect ini file changes, unless you get a gut feeling and accumulate 20 videos of sus gameplay and waste weeks on tracking that one player... I am so done with squad. Uninstalled after 6k hours and admin work.

Why should I wait? For them to add denmark royal army before fixing simple bottlenecks or fix the driving mechanics? Have stupidly unbalanced layers with one side knowing the map layer after the first flag and the others have to cap the next two before they can point where the have to go in raas? For them to add new cars and make them drive even worse than before?

Arma reforger did it, trees and fences break down, aquaplaning while raining, interior where you can move around... it´s amazing. Squad looks and runs like absolute garbage and even dated on UE5. OWI is a group of enthusiasts and not real game devs. Sunk cost is what keeps people with the game. Reforger was an eye opener. It´s not perfect. It´s arma but by god is squad shit.

[latent shoal]

The parts of static meshes that are under the map, are culled natively by Unreal Engine. Negligible performance impact and is common practice by pretty much any game studio using Unreal Engine(and any other game engine), to have aspects of SM's under the landscape. It's unavoidable and would be highly inefficient to cut every SM Instance to conform to the landscape surface, when it's automatically culled by UE itself.

Better admin tools are on the to do list, has been some prototyping on improved systems and features, just not a super high priority compared to other things in the works, currently. But is something that will come in the future.

Ini exploits to alter LOD Bias of trees and foliage is fixed in UE5, simply due to new tech being utilized. Makes it impossible for ini exploits to remove these, because traditional LOD pipeline is not being utilized anymore.

Driving mechanics are still being overhauled within the UE5 update, Squad no longer utilizes the redundant PhsyX systems, but Chaos systems, which is still being fine tuned and worked on in the UE5 builds - Which will address a lot of the clunky aspects of UE4 Squads physics, once it has been properly dialed in.

Layer balance is actually something being looked into heavily, I can't give any more info on this, but is being discussed and worked on, with the help of communities.

Minor destruction is something that is being looked into in the future, whether or not it will be technically viable for Squad, is another story.

Wet, muddy, dry surfaces etc already have their own unique physmat characteristics, for vehicle traversal - Just was limited with how PhysX handled specific things, should see some improvements as Chaos phsyics are dialed in.

Everything you have mentioned, is either being worked on(in UE5), already fixed(in UE5), or planned to come in the future. I suggest keeping up to date by reading the dev blogs, or video interviews releases, to have a proper understanding on Squads future. I also suggest your read up on Unreal Engine or dabble in the SDK(Both are free) to gain a proper understanding on how things work also, since you are a little misguided.

Try to keep feedback constructive too, ranting and insulting is only going to get you muted or kicked.

[hexed tapir]

Still funny that my 14 year old system runs UE5 better than UE4... That should tell you how bad the optimization really is... 15-30 FPS on UE4 30-45 on UE5

[static cosmos]

CPU resources are better used, nothing surprising. Although how it works on Fx

[mossy schooner]

I have an rtx3050 laptop and a Ryzen 5 7535hs + DDR5 4800HZ. I have a problem, low fps, despite the fact that all cores are loaded and threads are also in resource monitoring, shows that the CPU is loaded to a maximum of 50% (sometimes) the GPU is not loaded more than 60%, while in the lobby of the test site everything is ok, the GPU is loaded properly and fps is 100+ and so no more than 55 fps. And the most interesting thing is that the game is playing better on weak systems than mine. Why is it that I'm great at other games, but not at squads? Even the weaker ones are playing better

[noble flame]

في سيرفر الاختبار الخاص بUE5 بنص الكيم والبلير يصير ميقفز او ميتسلق الا اسوي اعادة نزول

باخر سيرفر اختبار صارت هذي المشكلة

[severe glacier]

You are CPU limited in this situation.

Squad doesn't use many threads, so whilst it may seem like the CPU isn't doing much, if you look at each core individually you will see that 3-4 of the threads are pinned at 100%

[quick sequoia]

Please take the time to work on optimizations before releasing. The ENTIRE community does not mind a delay, if the delay will be used to develop improvements to performance.

Getting 70fps-30fps: RTX 3080, i5 11400f, 48GB ram

[static cosmos]

ue5?

[quick sequoia]

UE4, UE5 is getting 55fps and 30fps average

[static cosmos]

can give screen from this programm

asrock timings configurator

for 11400f strange

[quick sequoia]

im not downloading random stuff lol

[static cosmos]

okay, dowload this on official site asrock

version 4.17

need screen like that

[quick sequoia]

ok ill check it out

i dont have an asrock motherboard

gigabyte

[static cosmos]

this works for any motherboard

you have 4x16?

[static cosmos]

8x2 and 16x2

and your frequency is 2666

your memory works in single channel, friend

there aren't even 64 gigs here, like you said

[quick sequoia]

yea i changed it

idk what that all means

what is 8x2

it says dual not single

[static cosmos]

8 gigs x 2

and 16 gigs x 2

[quick sequoia]

oh

[static cosmos]

works in one channel, I assure you

[quick sequoia]

the program says dual tho

[static cosmos]

because you have two bars in dimm2

[static cosmos]

can you send a screenshot from task manager, where is the RAM?

when it's two-channel, it says quad

[quick sequoia]

thats how the youtube tutorials put it

1,3,2,4

[static cosmos]

yeah

your memory works in single channel

[quick sequoia]

how do i change it

[static cosmos]

you can get 8 gigabytes sticks and enable xmp profile

[quick sequoia]

oh they have to be same size

ok ill do xmp

[static cosmos]

or better yet, manually set the timings on the RAM

[quick sequoia]

enabled Xmp and pc won’t turn on

Cleared cmos too

[static cosmos]

what is the xmp of these strips?

make 3200 frequency

maybe the frequency is high on xmp, that's why it doesn't start

[quick sequoia]

ok i turned off xmp and jst changed it to 3200

it works now

[steady badge]

You on 1080p ?

[static cosmos]

Ram setup

[static cosmos]

Better to manually setup timings

[tiny plank]

Nope, 2K

But for me 1080p to 2K has same FPS, I only lose FPS at 4K because shit video card

[steady badge]

what are your graphics settings ?

[tiny plank]

No DLSS, medium on most, no AA, unlimited scope FPS, clarity in scope

No vsync obviously

I have Gsync on though

[austere tree]

So what's the difference

[quick sequoia]

5fps

[last zinc]

Hi guys, does anyone else has an issue with the game starting to run worse and worse with each round played? I can start off playing with 90-100fps, play like 3 rounds normally, than absolutely suffer on maps with many particles like Goose bay to a point where I have normal fps, until I look at certain parts of the map, but when I scope in I need to press my LMB 5 times to shoot once, and than arrive on Harju with a buttery smooth 25fps.

[steady badge]

Maybe it has something to do with your hardware temperatures?

[thorn lion]

Harju is particularly bad

[last zinc]

Fan curves are set up correctly, GPU tops out at 60, which is operating temp, CPU around 65 well within its temp range

[last zinc]

I know that its a map which runs poorly, But when I first load up the game and end up on Harju as a first match the FPS is at least like 60

The game has to have crazy Memory leaks both in the VRAM and RAM like Tarkov

Harju main, 90 fps, first match

the overlay does not show mb

[static cosmos]

what the configuration

[last zinc]

R5 5600
RX 6600XT
16GB DDR4 3000mhz
Latest Win11 fresh install
Latest drivers
ReBar enabled

Played around in the BIOS, went for an undervolt on the CPU, worst fps on harju is now 40, 70+ fps stays for much longer for around 10 minutes now.
Temps are even better now.

Im not sure why the game eats the full VRAM (8gb)
At the settings tab it says it should use 2.5gb

[severe glacier]

the vram it lists is the minimum required for it to function, the engine will cache textures that aren't needed this frame but may be elsewhere in the scene, so that you don't have to load it in each time

so 2.5gb will be active data (mostly) and 5.5gb will be cached textures, shader programs, and models that aren't currently being used, but are stored for when they are needed later.

[last zinc]

graphics arent that impressive to eat the full 8gb up, Lets hope this is fixed in UE5

[sleek zenith]

VRAM usage is a major issue

on my 1660 its always hovering around 50% usage but my VRAM is maxed out

[cosmic prairie]

5800 X3D
5070 Ti
32 gb ram

I'm currently on DX11 but curious if I should switch to 12

[thorn lion]

If you run high Mesh quality you dont crash I was told and i think i tried it and i did not crash

[quasi mauve]

you can try. Could be Lag if you just spawn (with dx12), and for me 0 fps improved.

[faint shadow]

I play on Gtx 970 and i7 7700k 40 fps iż WILD

[austere tree]

What did he mean by this?

[frigid gale]

maybe because you are on a GTX 970

no offence

[timid quartz]

I went from 5800x3d and a rtx 3080 Ti Oc to 9800x3d and RTX 5090 and I still found DX12 to be a bit laggy/choppy. This seems true for my friend with 5900x + 3080 ti oc as well. Maybe DX12 works better with other (Intel?) processors or setups but to me (also reading a lot on reddit) it seems that DX11 is more stable than DX12 in general. Try it and clear your cache + your windows DirectX cache between tries. Also don't just rely on the measured fps (unless maybe you look at missing frames? to advanced for me) but the one you presieve as more smooth (hard with Squad of course as a lot is done online and different maps are better/worse performing).

[crimson kiln]

I'm on GTX 1650 and I can barely run it sadly. This game is tough on medium-low range GPUs but it is what it is. I got it yesterday last day of the sale and except for performance issues it's a stellar game.

[frigid gale]

I just ordered my new PC and I am hoping the R7 7800X3D and 9070 XT will run the game smoothly

so I will keep you guys in the loop

but recently I haven't had too many issues with squad

my current build is a R7 5800X and 1660 Super with 32GB of ram, I was hitting around 50-60 fps yesterday that was until arty hit a superfob and everybody was complaining about FPS

all my graphics are on low and im running DX11

I find it more consistent

as for temps cpu and gpu were around 60-70c the hotspot on both was around 80ish

[static cosmos]

enable xmp profile, bro

you have that pc now?

and your resolution 1080p?

[frigid gale]

yep

I dont see the need to run XMP now because new PC arrives on tuesday

my PC has also developed a few more issues and I would prefer not to mess around in bios now

[static cosmos]

It's a shame you don't enable the XMP profile. Not to mention the BIOS settings.

[magic elbow]

i have a little shuttering when i scope since the last update, im alone?

[mossy harness]

Performance is NOT good on the new test

painfull even

[thorn lion]

PC parts?

[mossy harness]

Ryzen 5800 X3d , 3070 , 32 gb ram

getting 60 FPS is a challenge

[teal wing]

9070xt 5700x3d 32 gb of ram at 3600mhz
not sure of my timings but I also cannot maintain a solid 60 even with fsr

[spark nexus]

what does show stats option say

[noble flame]

In ue5 playtest I soldier couldn't jumb and overcome obstacles or fences

[abstract basalt]

My feedback is: "Optimization" 🙃

Nobody asked for UE5, specially if it just comes worse than what is already

[austere tree]

Actually i asked for this

[abstract basalt]

good for you, most of us just want to be able to run the game like its not a powerpoint slide

[austere tree]

It's better in terms of CPU performance tho

[steel walrus]

it uses more of your entire system, clear your cache and it'll run better

[mossy harness]

Ue5 is hot garbage

and we will be eating it for a while unfortunatelly

[mossy harness]

HELL NO

I lost about half of my frames

I have a "mid range" pc with a R7 5800X3D and a 3070... I lost half of my performance

To be able to play at a decent FPS 60-90, I have to go high and use Nvidia DLSS on ultra performance, which means game gets a lot more blurry and full of artefacts

with a similar setup on UE4 I get 170-200 FPS

30-40

around 80

1440p

Yeah I'm very worried, I like playing squad because I can get consistent good FPS and good gameplay.... now its just good gameplay

3070*

as a game developer I agree, but that's unreal for yo

I know most of it is not Dev fault is just Unreal being Unreal

still get's me frustrated

I cant say for sure, as I use Unity, but my feel with Unreal is that it has too much "On" by default which creates a situation of bloat on the games made with it.

[misty swift]

Yes because Nanite is superior for complex large scale scenes.

[misty swift]

I cant recall any situation where I encountered this issues. The ability to render stuff at infinite distances is a decisive advantage over other technologies for games like Squad or open world games.

Why would I do that when I have a crisp clear image due to DLSS. No one should use TAA anyway, its obsolete. Both nvida and Amd have better solutions.

Show me one open world game with LODs matching the visual quality of Nanite, with no noticable transitions and infinite render distance.

Lol no. Vanilla Witcher 3 LODs look like shit

Even when heavily modded it looks like shit.

Dude you bring up Witcher 3 as an example and when I tell you you are wrong you come with this? lol

Yeah look at the trees at distance, they are low res 2d spreads

No it looks not great at distance. Beyond 300m it looks like a 2005 game at best.

Squad UE5

UE4 Nanite? Are you confused?

Stop spreading lies.

Nanite is clearly superior to LODs in almost all games. LODs can only achieve a similar level by having a lot of fine tuned LODs, which is not practical.

To compare distance LODs to Witcher 3, you should show an image actually showing distance LODs instead of a short range scene btw. It is clearly visible that 90% of the meshes are not rendered beyond 200m, and distance vegetation are low quality 2d textures.

Show me a modern game without it, and we can talk. Unless you do so your claims have no substance.

Your counter argument are 1140x641 images where all distant details had to be hidden by fog and clouds, just proves my point thank you.

Coming up with insults when your arguments are disproved is a really good way support your points, well done and thank you for the conversation!

Like

Are you serious?

You are unironically trolling at this point.

[austere tree]

😁

[mossy harness]

Nanite is Runtime Lod, which we already had with DX 12

[mossy harness]

So what? its the perfect use case for bilboards, you dont at that distance trees are bilboards EVEN ON MOVIES.

[mossy harness]

Arma 3 looks better than UE5 Squad Sorry

and its a 2013 game

Sorry Not sorry

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FqECXOXwXd-JE9xUUNYZ1PRGVyJy-QoQ_tQxKmYuXiCk.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1233b344c68bce6257ac0077019aed877f1095be&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=34303e927a788b55fb109b0f8c5c02a8fac6a574bb628fd4977da256ab7df271

[austere tree]

💀

[latent shoal]

Get this thread back on track, or people will have to be put in the naughty corner.

[static cosmos]

Arma 3 runs worse and looks worse too

In UE5 I have 110-130 fps in battles on 4070 and 12400f (5.0GHZ). In Arma 3 in battles already 40-50 fps stably

56 fps💪

[spark nexus]

it literally is not

Game and Draw threads are 30% slower in total in UE5

[frigid gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA2iQ2o1eAY

interesting video

would remaking the entire game just be easier? 😆

ICO has completely ruined the game

[austere tree]

Just don't forget to save stamina and it'll be okay

[frigid gale]

Yep just to not have the ability to shoot back when I do have the stamina

[austere tree]

But you have

[void blaze]

we need good optimization

[static cosmos]

more data would be needed

because from a simple example: in Squad UE4 my processor uses a maximum of 50 watts, while in UE5 it uses 75-80 watts

also average fps as 0.1 and 1 above on UE5

[spark nexus]

you have higher CPU power usage because its used more and its multithreaded where most of tasks on UE4 were single threaded

[fluid frost]

Clean what cache, mind explaining if you mind?

[thorn lion]

paste %LocalAppData%\SquadGame in windows search bar and delete the Saved_UAT folder

[fluid frost]

ah i see, thank you

[steel walrus]

💔 posting threat interactive images like that means anything

dudes a full time grifter

[steady badge]

i swear to god the game is just rng now, I can spray some dude with the coax of a tank, right next to him and he can still get a rocket off.

[austere tree]

😇

[thorn lion]

Yo its iron condor, where do you play squad now

[steady badge]

It depends.

Just improving so I can eventually return when I am older.

[thorn lion]

Are you still multiboxing?

[lunar fjord]

Will the ue5 version work on 4gb vram at 1080p lowest settings

Would be really nice if the ue5 version could still run on the lowest settings on 4gb vram

I have a gaming laptop thats why

I don’t want to upgrade for just one game

[wind elbow]

I might have a suggestion for helping with ADS stutter. Would lowering the resolution dynamically outside the scope help with that?

I know it definitely helps with FPS but would it help with the stutters specifically

[steel walrus]

6gb of vram is the min

[lunar fjord]

Oh ok well I guess I’ll have to wait a few years for an upgrade to an 8 gb laptop

[lunar fjord]

Or actually I’ll still try to play

Lowest settings at 720p should work

[steel walrus]

I dont think the game will boot without 6gb of vram but i am unsure of that

[latent shoal]

4GB will work, but I would expect potential texture issues(not loading correctly, low res etc), on top of much lesser performance. Will highly depend on your laptops overall specs, since the most important factor for you, would be how stable your 1% frame lows would be.

[lunar fjord]

I am aware of the uncap vram texture poolsize setting which might help with the textures. For fps, I am expecting a playable 30 fps.

[lunar fjord]

I didn’t do the latest playtest but in the one before, I was constantly crashing even on lowest settings

My specs are an i5 11400h, 16gb ddr4 ram, rtx 3050 4gb vram, and a 7gb/s ssd.

[spark nexus]

they are already lowering the resolution outside the scope

[ionic pivot]

My review will remain negative until performance improvements to optimise the game are made.

[steel walrus]

Very nice 👍

[frigid gale]

this is basically what the chat is anyway

I have never seen any devs or mods type anything positive about optimization progress in here

[steel walrus]

You've really not been looking then

[frigid gale]

I haven't been looking for the past few months because before that I never/rarely saw any positive progress towards optimization

I have been in this channel since the start of it lol

and at the start iirc there was one update that was focused on optimization

but since then I haven't seen anything else

[steel walrus]

scroll up over the past 3 months there has been tons of positive comments on it

[frigid gale]

UE5?

or just in generel

dont get me wrong UE5 is a step in the right direction but I have still seen people complain that it hasn't lived up to its expectation.

I have also seen people say their FPS has improved

[steel walrus]

UE5 yeah, its not the perfect upgrade but its an upgrade for many many reasons

[frigid gale]

100% but optimization in general has been poor

[steel walrus]

I personally have lost 20fps but my game has become significantly more stable

[frigid gale]

yes okay UE5 is coming and should hopefully fix that but before that was even announced there was not much focus on optimization

it was more focused on bug fixes which still seem to be a major issue in UE5

[steel walrus]

Yeah I'll agree, but a game like this is in general hard to optimize. 100 players constantly moving in real time with massive battles and whatnot and with the graphics is just a big challenge, not getting the performance we were told we would but I'll take higher stability with a slight fps loss over a slight fps gain with stability loss

[steel walrus]

I dont remember UE5 being the bug fixing update, more so "we'll optimize the game and rewrite the code so its easier to fix these bugs and push out future updates" but the latest playtest showed a lot of issues which hopefully are just from the latest UE build

I think it was 5.5? if not 5.3/5.6

[frigid gale]

think I spoke too soon

must of jinxed it sorry guys

[latent shoal]

Yeh, you might have a rough time with those specs, especially with that CPU & GPU combo. But there's more UE5 optimizations planned before and post release, which might help your situation. But I wouldn't expect a solid 30fps, I would expect fluctuation.

[frigid gale]

Played some squad today on the new pc, obviously graphics were on the max and I was messing around with radeon settings a little bit,

1440p
R7 7800X3D
9070XT
32GB RAM

FPS kept changing between 90-170 I was still getting stutters but they were not as extreme, temps were around 70c. There was a weird issue with the chat where if a message was sent it would flicker but that might just be some monitor settings that need tweaking

the 3D cache definitely helped and its definitely worth investing in, but I still think the game needs some major optimization

[lunar fjord]

Ok thanks

[frigid gale]

this isn't the place for that

I would make a thread if I was you

[misty swift]

1. Offtopic
2. Its the server admins decision

[sand lava]

1440p
RTX 3090 24GB
R9 7900x 12C
64GB DDR5
2x 2TB SSD m2

Medium settings

Lowest framerate on Sanxian (50-90 fps)
Other maps in avg 60-120 fps.

For me it is fenomenal that the game with such a low res textures and models is running that bad.

Offworld - call to Ben Cloward and ask him for help with optimization 😉

Also I dont see any complexity in shaders like vertex painting or parallax occlusion used with terrain.

I wonder what has the biggest impact on perfo right now

[static cosmos]

UE4?

[sand lava]

Yep. UE4

[static cosmos]

https://github.com/irusanov/ZenTimings/releases

dowload 1.35

and give screen

look like problem on ram

@sand lava ?

[sand lava]

Do u see anything?

[static cosmos]

did you check, your video card definitely wasn't loaded to 100%? And it's the processor

Maybe because of the dual-chiplets you had bad fps

6+6 suck

[sand lava]

200FPS on Sumari Bala, 13/98 players - seeding server

[static cosmos]

need 100/100 server

Answer this question. I will help you with the problem later.

[sand lava]

Al Basrah Full Server 60-90fps

[sand lava]

.

[static cosmos]

cpu bottleneck

[static cosmos]

you have ram 32x2, yeah?

[sand lava]

yep

[static cosmos]

can dowload cpu-z and screen spd tab

need to know what the manufacturer chips

[static cosmos]

spd

[static cosmos]

hynix good

[static cosmos]

know how to open bios and change timings?

[sand lava]

what should I do?

[static cosmos]

make the next timings:
Tcl 30
trcdwr 38
trcdrd 38
trp 38
tras 50
tras 88
trrds 8
trrdl 12
tfaw 32
twtrs 8
twtrl 16
twr 48
trtp 12
trfc 544
tcwl 28
trefi 65535

dram voltage 1.4

[sand lava]

Ok thanks Ill check that

[static cosmos]

Although probably in 64GB the chips are A-die, instead of M-die. But in general it doesn't matter

[slim path]

u have maybe something for intel cpu

?

[slim path]

really idk what I can do with it maybe u can help me with that please?

[static cosmos]

what the cpu

[static cosmos]

avg fps in game?

[slim path]

in u4 I got like 100-70

something like that

with high and epic settings but i want like a boost fps for the u5 coming

bc i got like trash fps in u5 many drops more

[static cosmos]

know how to open bios and change timings?

[slim path]

yeah but I dont know which recommend timing I need

[static cosmos]

make frequency 3466
enable gear mode 1

tcl 18
trcd 22
trp 22
tras 44
twr 16
trfc 560
trrds 4
trrdl 6
tfaw 16
twtrs 4
twtrl 12
trtp 8
tcwl 16
trefi 65535

[slim path]

in bios ?

[static cosmos]

yeah

[slim path]

alr one sec ill try it now

[static cosmos]

3600 is impossible to do, because apparently the processor can't handle it in gear 1 mode

[slim path]

Look

Im there

[static cosmos]

click on the timing and somewhere on the right the name should be written in abbreviated form

[static cosmos]

or from here match the names to the timings

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230645447270465657/1397123057369223238/Screenshot_2025-07-22_104742.png?ex=688093be&is=687f423e&hm=0363db04e9f7100237f75251ac01593695b9c1e566122b0e2392532b2fe03f17&

[slim path]

Ohh

Wait I can’t find the gear how I can make it 1 ?

[static cosmos]

near dram frequency

[slim path]

I found a something that

[static cosmos]

memory controller

[slim path]

Yeah now I got 1:1 and 1:2 1:4

[static cosmos]

1:1 make

yeah

[slim path]

Alr i did

Now

[static cosmos]

frequency 3466

too

[slim path]

Yeah I did

[static cosmos]

xmp disabled

dram voltage 1.35

[slim path]

I got only xmp I or xmp 2

Or auto

[static cosmos]

auto make

[slim path]

I did auto yeah what now

[static cosmos]

?

[static cosmos]

and timings this?

[slim path]

It’s in the room called dram ref voltage control ?

Ohh

I found it

It’s called dram voltage 😭

Ok i did rn it now timings

It’s here ?

I making sure that the room?

[static cosmos]

in dram timings control

[static cosmos]

yeah

[static cosmos]

check this.

[slim path]

Alr now scroll down or just change the cas and ras

[slim path]

Nope I can’t see something like that but I have more rooms in there they called skew control and rtl iol control and memory training algorithms

And I got here this

[static cosmos]

or from here match the names to the timings

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230645447270465657/1397123057369223238/Screenshot_2025-07-22_104742.png?ex=688093be&is=687f423e&hm=0363db04e9f7100237f75251ac01593695b9c1e566122b0e2392532b2fe03f17&

[slim path]

It’s it ?

[static cosmos]

no

if some timings are not from the list, then write

[slim path]

Alr so im
Matching now this things in dram ras and all these stuff

[static cosmos]

yeah

[slim path]

I’m trying it now

My pc don’t turn on damn

I understand why bc of freq I turn this little bit more down

[static cosmos]

reset bios

you must have done some of the timings incorrectly

wait, you make 3600 gear 1?

[slim path]

Nope

Now I did 3300

The n1 not working for me

I mean I turn on gear 1 and it’s working for me only with 3300

but

now

its looks like htat

thast

u think its better?

[static cosmos]

3466 doesnt work in gear 1?

okay make 3300 with my timings

[slim path]

dosent work its crashing

[slim path]

this?

[static cosmos]

yeah

[slim path]

but i really dont understand when im settings the tcl al this i cant found these settings

[static cosmos]

Here are the full names of the timings. If you can't find others, then use your browser

[slim path]

okay one min

Like I’m searching the thing that called tcl

And not found it

Also recs

Trcd

Maybe I don’t understand u ?

Where u want me to set all this settings timings

Like here

Or

And when I’m turn dram command rate to 1n my pc crashing

[static cosmos]

cas latency

[slim path]

Ohh so like that look

[static cosmos]

Did I tell you to touch this?

[slim path]

Oops I

I got two things that called Trfc

3*

Make both them 560?

[static cosmos]

trfc1 560

another doesnt work

[slim path]

Alr

I got something that calling tCCd_L

Don’t touch it ?

And I got tWTR

[static cosmos]

I don’t say tccd_l

[slim path]

alr

[static cosmos]

good

tcwl doenst change

[slim path]

yeah idk why I didnt find it

[static cosmos]

CAS Write Latency

[misty swift]

Can we rename this channel to Memory Overclocking 101 lol

[static cosmos]

I don't see anything wrong with that

[misty swift]

This issue wont exist after UE5 release

Then use low shadows?

Where is the problem then?

[misty swift]

Shadows dont lag games, hardware which is too weak to handle it does.

When your PC is too slow to run complex shadows, dont expect it to magically be able to do so.

[broken lance]

I deleted my messages because I am not smart enough to have a debate with you, sir.

I am 100% wrong. You are 100% correct. This will not happen again.

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-facepalm-iron-man-gif-14277099

If you ever actually want to understand what I was saying by "shadows lag games" without having an argumentative response to literally every sentence I say, let me re-phrase this for you Der Shredder: "Shadows are typically one of the most resource intensive graphical option on video games."

But yes, you are right, as you put it, "Shadows dont lag games, hardware which is too weak to handle it does." Most profound quote I've ever read my friend. Genius level shit, my god.

[austere tree]

Epic shadows is an experimental setting for future generations of hardware

I suppose

[fossil shore]

in addition to revisiting the codebase for the new version and trimming unneccessary code spaghetti, could you also spare some time in the future to thoroughly compact the game's file sizes as much as possible?

like make sure there aren't any deprecated, unneccessarily high fidelity, or poorly managed assets, etc. and see what can be done to reduce the footprint of current assets in any way
i'm sure there's already some work in this as far as ue5 is concerned, but personally i would like the game to be very aggressively optimized in this respect and it would make this game stand out from most others for delivering a lot of content in a smaller package. industry par has been unneccesarily bloated for some time

[steel walrus]

Download the Public Testing version of squad and the main version, you'll already see a good difference in size

[slow pendant]

~85GB on UE4
~57GB on UE5

About a 33% reduction. Not shabby at all

[austere tree]

So much space for new maps

And remakes

[abstract basalt]

You're getting a reskinned PMC to play on 2 Maps

[wraith compass]

has this game actually improved in optimisation in the past year. if so ill install it again

[thorn lion]

There has not been an update in that amount of time so technically no, you can jump on the playtest version to see how it runs

[sharp mango]

The recently playtest ran horrible for me somehow. It was worse than 5.5?

[thorn lion]

Did you clear cache?

[frigid gale]

I noticed that in these building specifically that fps drops massively when an explosion hits them, I am assuming this is due to the particles

R7 7800X3D
9070XT
32GB RAM

fps counter in the top right and my graphics are maxxed out, on DX11

[static cosmos]

can you give screen from zentimings

[frigid gale]

zentimings?

[static cosmos]

yeah

[frigid gale]

where and what is that

[static cosmos]

zentimings github

[static cosmos]

allows you to look at the timings set by the motherboard

although I only just now noticed how many particles there are

Apparently the player used a bug with c4 where explosives are duplicated several times

[frigid pecan]

please add fsr 3/4 support

[severe glacier]

There is in the ue5 build of the game, but I doubt they will add it to ue4

[frigid pecan]

):

[mental robin]

optimize for xeon and Intel arc b580 graphics cards

[stone violet]

I don't know if this was said before, but it would be nice if PiP scopes were made optional, so you can just disable them. Obviously the weapon should handle exactly the same as with PiP, just without the double render. Not only will this be homage to PR it will save people's FPS when UE5 comes out.

[static cosmos]

If there is no PIP, you will lose the change of sight magnification without. Also, it is technically impossible now due to the shaking of the weapon. Therefore, PIP is necessary

[stone violet]

No, you can still adjust the magnification, it would just look a bit weird having it zoom in/out. As for the weapon shake it can be translated to shaking of the reticle instead

[misty swift]

This is not possible for technical reasons.

[latent shoal]

Having a separate 2D option, would require fundamental reworks to gunplay elements, to accommodate both optics views independently, while trying to achieve similar functionality. There's a lot of underlying aspects to Squads PiP implementation, that is tied to multiple different aspects of gunplay that affects overall weapon behaviour.

Outside of this, it would cause significant balancing problems, trying to close the gap between the two as much as possible and would increase per weapon balancing time x2, since almost each optic has their own FOV, Eye relief etc etc that doesn't translate well into 2D.

I suggest reading this document regarding Squads PiP implementation, and how it ties into gunplay, top gain a proper understanding.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hr1U2o4q_RDoH4YoT2mxgfx1D7AMP_qFzIB78WcUfRI/edit?tab=t.0

[austere tree]

PiP in this economy? I'll be damned.

[thorn lion]

Pip scopes have the same FPS in UE5 now

Some stutter kinks still need to be worked out but i was getting the same FPS or more while PIPing

[thorn lion]

Also lol the stupid ico sheet, lota yap that ended up to be “we want longer gunfights but have no idea how to get there”

[small coral]

its normal 50-60 fps in squad?

[severe glacier]

map depending, yes.

fallujah will definitely perform at about that level, but if you are getting this on chora or sumari, then you might have other issues (may need to turn down settings)

[sleek zenith]

with a 5060 no

unless ur playing really high

[small coral]

all in low but effect cinematic

[sleek zenith]

oh yea thats probs why

effects take up a lot of performance

especially when shooting, watching explosions etc

[small coral]

and with low effects same performance

[severe glacier]

your gpu is fine, it is your cpu that is causing the performance

[timber current]

5-8 FDPS while ADSing still?

[fluid frost]

what woudl cause bottlenecks, my 11th gen intel core i7-11700f or my 3060ti 8 vram

[static cosmos]

in 1080p - cpu

[fluid frost]

1440?

[misty swift]

On UE5 you will be GPU limited with those specs.

[teal jacinth]

somehow this counted as "a stuck problem" while the wheels aint sticking into the car like disabled people , great job at making ur game

[limpid rivet]

Fsr 4 work now on amd 9000 cards in Squad .

https://youtu.be/o_Du_Vec3Bk?si=1bc5gvOesx9nB0sz

[frigid gale]

I'm not sure why but it seems stutters have returned to my game again. 1st clip was after I lowered graphics to max and 2nd clip was on max graphics. The stutters started about 3 days ago I haven't done anything apart from install the squad playtest.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
AMD Radeon 9070XT
32GB RAM
2TB WD SN850X SSD

[frigid gale]

Just want to add onto this, CPU max temp was 68 degrees and GPU was at 50

so its not overheating

[limpid rivet]

7800x3D and that big stutters 🤮

[frigid gale]

Yea pretty unfortunate, just bought this pc a month ago and put it together. I'm hoping UE5 sorts these issues but from what I have heard its not too amazing

if you don't mind can you tell me what settings on AMD you have enabled for squad?

[vague mulch]

in the playtest the performance is actually better when using pip scopes - devs are delivering

[spark nexus]

sorry to disappoint you but it wont, unless they got some secret build that they didnt share on OPT

[frigid gale]

just have to stay optimistic (pun intended)

[static cosmos]

can you give zentimings

[frigid gale]

man idk how to do that

do i need to have the game running?

[static cosmos]

dowload zentimings and send screen

need to watch what motherboard make

[frigid gale]

you need my motherboard make?

[static cosmos]

send this bro

[frigid gale]

i keep getting error saying "error opening winring kernel driver"

[static cosmos]

unzip the folder

[frigid gale]

extract or unzip

i dont have an option for unzip

[static cosmos]

Do it however you find most convenient

[frigid gale]

okay then what

it just isnt working

[static cosmos]

open with admin

[frigid gale]

didnt work

[static cosmos]

strange

[static cosmos]

what the version?

1.35?

[frigid gale]

yes

[static cosmos]

dowload 1.36 beta

[frigid gale]

now it says could not save settings

[limpid rivet]

We will See how IT run tomorrow. If WE have the same perfomance ore not.

[gaunt cradle]

2060 Super
i5 10400f
2x16Gb Ram

Can anyone help me for optimization

[hoary river]

for squad should i buy this specs:
asus dual rtx 5070 gdddr7 OC
2x16 GB 3600 MHZ cl18
i5-14400f

[spark nexus]

its alright but you should get DDR5 ram for the CPU so most likely replace the mobo aswell

[hoary river]

I only want 60+ FPS constantly in full 100 player servers, including when im being mortarred with explosions and stuff going on,

will the ddr4 still be enough?
I will ofcourse enable XMP 2.0

i play 1080p

[spark nexus]

well it should be enough but UE5 might be too heavy

[misty swift]

Should be fine for 1080p. With FG you will certainly get 100+ FPS.

[misty swift]

The issue with his specs for UE4 is the CPU. In UE5 it is less of an issue.

[spark nexus]

UE5 version is like 1 ms less CPU heavy for me, it's not that less of an issue

[misty swift]

He will be GPU bottlenecked, so the rest of the system does not really matter, even when he does not get better performance.

[spark nexus]

His gpu is be overkill for 1080p tho

[misty swift]

is that bad?

[hoary river]

In my opinion and others on reddit, 14400f shouldnt bottleneck 5070

[spark nexus]

at 1080p it will xd

[hoary river]

i asked gpt

[misty swift]

it doesnt in UE5

[steel walrus]

gpt can make stuff up, 14400f will bottleneck anything past a 3070 at 1080p

[hoary river]

In ur opinion im gonna get an unstable fps like less than 60 or above?

[steel walrus]

If you're going to spend the $150-200 on the 14400f id go for something a little older but with higher clocks that is around the same price
I dont think it'd be an unstable FPS but you'd see dips

[hoary river]

im not gonna ask gpt but does this cpu 12400 has the stability issues like 13th and 14th intel has?

[steel walrus]

Do you mean the issue where it kills itself over time or the cpu itself is unstable

[hoary river]

yes

i mean both i guess?

mostly first one

because of the voltage

[static cosmos]

Lately there has been no news about the death or degradation of the 13th or 14th generation. Mostly people were talking about dead Ryzens

I have 14600k and 12400f and it still works great

[static cosmos]

better buy 14600kf

[hoary river]

correct

[random spire]

Better optimize games

[carmine tree]

Can you fix dimming and brightness when looking trough the window in vehicles , and also remove that huge blur when scopint out your weapon

[hexed venture]

5700x3d, 3080, 32gb 3600mhz ram, game installed on m.2 SSD

Performance is WAY under what I would expect. Even at all medium settings (oceans on low, no wake sim) with DLSS balanced I am still barely scratching 90 fps with nothing going on, and during any action the framerate regularly tanks into the 20s and 30s. Input is laggy and feels inconsistent overall. The game performs better using FXAA but the static-y shadows are still present and certain foliage elements look extremely jagged in a buggy way.

I have run through all of the standard checks that I can think of (bios settings, temperature monitoring, RAM speeds set correctly, game on M.2 SSD, freshly reinstalled and cleared cache, etc) and haven't come across any issues.

[verbal topaz]

What version is fsr now? Is it still fsr 2 ?

[silk pilot]

3.1

[hybrid plank]

It's probably not very effective for you guys to collect feedback that way as there's many repeated complaints and it's hard to aggregate for you but still: we would like you guys to actually focus on optimization and gameplay quality improvement fixes and not just in the words - you've been telling us about that for a while, but as a result a majority of crucial playtest bugs are still present and none of them were fixed for the release. You've decided to delay the launch of UE5 - was a relief at first, but we don't see as much of it fixed in fact as you've released it just a couple weeks later without any noticeable difference. Problems are still the same:

• Huge FPS drops when ADS. Poor implementation of PiP scopes - does it really worth it if so many people complain about it during all these years? Ability to disable AA in scopes the "old way" would definitely be better than "optimization" mode when everything apart from the PiP scope picture is disabled (who the hell decided it would be a good option anyway?);
• Crazy ghosting and tracing of objects, especially inside the buildings because of the fog inside, I guess some UE5 post-processing specifics, just at least give us ability to control it.
• Audio glitches with squad/CMD audio switching between and/or coming from one ear. Would you enjoy SLing hearing 10 people speaking from one ear at the same time?
• etc?

Like guys, the average "off-fight" framerate is not exactly the issue. The issue is when you actually play the game, at the crucial moment FPS can just drop from 150-200 to 5-10. Stability is the issue. Actual gameplay is the issue. Those who make gameplay optimizations must just sit and try to play the game. Not all of us own 10k+ rigs to run it like you do. Damn, even quite decent PC builds have bunch of issues with the result of your work. And then you post stuff like "we want to focus on PvE mode". Do you want to go "wanna be ArmA" way or actually focus on things the people like your game for?

[hybrid plank]

I don't know, maybe the playtests were not long/good enough, but releasing it in the current state was quite a mistake. The current negative reviews bombing in Steam and recent server browser hacks can speak for themselves - you're doing something wrong. Listen to your community, listen for the common sense.

[trail horizon]

FYI everyone, Squad 9.0 runs about 30 FPS on a 5090 in 4k, regardless of settings/DLSS and all that jazz I am not sure who thought this was optimized

[hybrid plank]

Also about improved draw distance - armor fights are kinda borked. Two tanks are now trying to shoot each other 2km+ away, but the can't do that effectively:

• rangefinders on vehicles don't work for that distance;
• buildings and other assets are not displayed as well:

So we end up throwing dicks at each other just guessing the distance and whether the armor is behind the cover or not.

[honest current]

Sounds like user issue, I'm getting around 70 fps at 4k with a 4090 and 11900k. That's without DLSS. With DLSS i gain 20 fps only

[trail horizon]

User issues? we playing the same game

[honest current]

Not sure what issues you are experiencing, have you updated to the latest nvidia drivers?

[trail horizon]

yeah

but it isn't like this is new

changing settings in Squad never changed my FPS

like the difference between lowest and max settings is like 10 FPS for me

which is ridiculous

I got no issues with other games, can run practically anything at 4k max quality without dlss

I mean even before I didn't get too much more FPS, but the game never felt choppy/laggy

[teal jacinth]

PC wasn't on full load , or any kind of FPS issues before.

UE5 = Heavily stutters , froze when scoping in , fucked up A-A visuals , texture blurred at high setting ( no dlss , even after dlss )

Spec: i3-9100F & 1060 6gb & 16gb ram
FPS Before: 80-95
FPS After in UE5: 35-60
Both CPU n GPU on full loads ( PC was optimized with atlas os )

[crude pendant]

Id recommend getting Lossless scaling. Imo it works well and feels smooth too after a bit of tweaking with the controls.

[teal jacinth]

i tried LossLess before but yet somehow they looks wors-er n fps still the same after applied ( tried youtube tut )

[crude pendant]

Damn fr? I only got terrible results if my original FPS was like below 20 but then again it’s probably different for everyone.

[misty swift]

I get 2x as much fps as you with a 4080 at high-max settings, there is certainly something cooked on your end.

Since graphics settings have no effect for you, your gpu seems to be finde. Probably cpu or memory issue. What cpu and ram do you have?

[trail horizon]

9950X3D and 128gb ram

and I still load first into the game so ram defo not a problem

[misty swift]

Check if your game is running on the correct ccd

Sometimes, especially with squad, the scheduler messes up badly

Also delete your squad folder from appdata/local

[hexed venture]

5700x3d, 3080, 32gb 3600mhz ram, game installed on m.2 SSD

Performance is WAY under what I would expect. Even at all medium settings (oceans on low, no wake sim) with DLSS balanced (extremely blurry/smudged) I am still barely scratching 90 fps with nothing going on, and during any action the framerate regularly tanks into the 20s and 30s. Input is laggy and feels inconsistent overall. The game performs better using FXAA but the static-y shadows are still present and certain foliage elements look extremely jagged in a buggy way.

I have run through all of the standard checks that I can think of (bios settings, temperature monitoring, RAM speeds set correctly, game on M.2 SSD, freshly reinstalled and cleared cache, etc) and haven't come across any issues.

If anybody has a similar setup and performance tips it would be appreciated.

[frigid gale]

have you got frame gen in game enabled?

also make sure your game is in full screen

gave me more fps

[hexed venture]

No why would anybody enable FG for an FPS game?

It is in fullscreen though

[frigid gale]

you tell me

just run graphics low, would recommend upscaling

if you have the option too

[hexed venture]

I am already using DLSS Balanced which is upscaled and looks like dogshit. I don't think I can comfortably upscale any harder

Even the Balanced is borderline unusable IMO, super blurry for me when you move even a little bit and has tons of artifacting/smudging/ghosting

[trail horizon]

I am running Linux but wasn't an issue before

[misty swift]

Well it is now apparently. Linux is not officially supported anyway.

So this is not a game issue

[trail horizon]

I love when people give this excuse

Reminds me of how modern cars can't drive millions of kilometers like the old mercedeses used to, and everyone just says "people these days don't need to drive so far" yeah, sure

[spark nexus]

im getting similar performance on 4080

[tame quarry]

i have no clue how you got that performance tbh, maybe drivers? ik if they're not 100% up to date this patch it can cause issues. i can run max everything no fsr with my 6900xt and get ~90fps, and it climbs fast if i turn fsr on

[spark nexus]

welp 5090 with UE5 especially on Linux might not be a good idea? what gpu driver are you running there?

[tame quarry]

ok definitely something this patch changed was it upped the VRAM requirements by a LOT. im using 12gb vram on average, compared to about 6-8gb before. it seems that some people with low vram (under 12gb) are getting pretty rough stutters and/or low fps

[trail horizon]

I have no issues with other games so that's really not an excuse yk

[tame quarry]

well bottom line is, either squad or proton (which im guessing you're using to run it) is gonna need to change some things to make them more compatible, and OWI ain't gonna do shit for a while after this major change

[trail horizon]

If anything UE5 should actually run better as it would have more support, Arma Refoger/Space Engineers 2 have custom engines so they have even less support for edge cases, and those work fine for me

[tame quarry]

other ue5 games definitely run fine on proton, so its not like its a ue5 thing; definitely something squad-specific, but it could be so many things cause practically everything about rendering changed in one update

[trail horizon]

I don't even think it's a linux-specific thing, I hear optimization problems even from people using Windows all the time lol

Like people who were running 100 fps before now do 30

on windows

[tame quarry]

the only times i've heard that about v9 release build is when they're running 6-10gb vram cards

ue5, especially nanite, EAT ram

[trail horizon]

yeah I think they will fix whatever mess that is there, given that even emotes are currently bugged kinda shakes the screen around

[trail horizon]

idk I do not have an issue in that department

I loved the fact that there is finally no fog in Squad

it's day and night for a tank

[tame quarry]

yea neither do i lol. but it seems like its def not rasterization, cause i know some ppl with 3080 10gb are struggling with the same stutters as people with 4060 8gb and stuff

[trail horizon]

I am just surprised they released it so messy

Lots of people said it ran better on the playtest

Even looked better

[misty swift]

This is no excuse. You are trying to play the game on unsupported software. You should be happy that it worked at all in the past.

[teal jacinth]

either they fix this issue or i have to pays for a new PC just to play this game with friends

[trail horizon]

With an attitude like that, there's no wonder Squad is gonna be cooked once Arma 4 comes out.

[misty swift]

What altitude? That OWI is under no obligation to guarantee that a game runs flawless on a unsuppored OS? Demanding them to do so is just...wow.

[limpid rivet]

you have a bug !!!! you play in 8700k ? ore 4790 K ?

[trail horizon]

wym? 4k is 3840x2160

[carmine tree]

Well I have 7800x3d and 7900xtx and I get 30-40 fps above you (without framegen) ,so you are just fine

[limpid rivet]

with 5090 ! ???? you must have 100 fps avg

[trail horizon]

hell no not in 4k

maybe with 1080p I would have that but I have a big monitor

[misty swift]

He is running it on Linux, which is not officially supported.

So probably some Linux related issue

[static cosmos]

loh

[limpid rivet]

i have only 600 euro 9070 xt nativ 4k avg 50 fps .

[trail horizon]

damn

I mean I could switch to windows and test it but I haven't opened windows in months since I have no need and this really doesn't seem like a reason to do so 😅

In the upcoming weeks they will probably just fix whatever the issue is and the optimization will get better for everyone

[spark nexus]

i'm just asking, again what driver you are using?

[spark nexus]

true, the custom engines are most likely going to perform better than UE5

[trail horizon]

nvidia-open, it's the only one that works for me on Arch Linux

[trail horizon]

that is the most counter-intuitive thing to me honestly, a billion dollar company can't out compete some indie company's game engine lol

[spark nexus]

i mean UE5 tries to include everything in its engine, it's doomed to have issues like this

you shouldnt go with UE5 for games unless you are very competent dev and know how to avoid its issues

[trail horizon]

yeah I happen to have my own experience with that, I tried building stuff with UE5 and it was hell

I love the concept, but I've used other engines that just seemed much easier to use

[spark nexus]

so did i, there's too much stuff hidden and the default settings sucks ass

[young lion]

Almost convinced ray tracing is on by default

Fire a gun next to any dark surface and for a while after the gun flash is gone you still see the flash in the environment like raytracing usually does

[spark nexus]

thats prolly just frame accumulation, can you post the video of it on youtube?

@young lion

[young lion]

I made a bug report about it and Ill put it there in a bit I’m half asleep

[misty swift]

There is no RT in Squad

[dapper hamlet]

the sound design...you cant tell where the sound is coming from anymore. please fix that as well

[north hinge]

Fucking fix ultrawide

[tender seal]

seriously, especially when the fix isn't that hard

[native gust]

5070ti , ryzen9 , 32 gb ddr5 .
Crash reports every 5 minutes in game.
lagging dlls and fsr , non stop fps drops and enormous freezes (minus 50-80 fps when something explodes or if you switch the weapon) , play dooh ahh textures even on medium / high / ultra settings 👍 , just feels that im playing a fucking GTA 3 mod . Nothing changes when i switch the graphic presets . And yes , i updated all drivers and reinstalled game without mods and what so ever. The previus UE 4 sucked cuz developers cant fix the problems and optimise this game for almost a decade , then they switched to a whole 'brand new' fancy ass UE5 that just made everything worse and didnt bring anything good except for saving my time with crash reports . Thank you Offworld , you're cooking

[crisp umbra]

Pls add DirectX 11 back,12 version not working with old PCs,we have blur textures because of this.This game haved the same problem in 2023 when you deleted 11 version(sorry for mistakes but i think you will understand)

[misty swift]

Dx 11 is not possible anymore. My first gpu, a gtx 970, supported dx12, when someone has even older hardware, they are beyond help anyway.

[quaint laurel]

I can’t even join a server 😭

[storm wing]

i cant even open the main screen

i can just watch the intro

fcking refund my money

[frigid gale]

Ryzen 9 but is it an X3D or what model

[tender seal]

It’s not GPU’s being incompatible, it’s that the api has issues

[frigid gale]

Also a few tips play full screen, turn off in-game frame generation

Also match the FPS slider with refresh rate

If you are using FSR put it on quality, I gained 60 FPS from it

Sometimes the game has to redownload textures so maybe that's why your game might be looking a bit worse

[frigid gale]

One more thing I thought I might add you are correct about UE4 and developers not being able to fix the problems because they didn't have the tools that's the reason they have switched to UE5 so they can actually start fixing the game, you would've seen that if you read the patch notes.

[carmine tree]

Nahhh because complaining is easier than reading bro....they would never do that,at any cost.Who reads instructions and manuals? They are for begginers 🤡

[frigid gale]

Please stay quiet if you have nothing useful to contribute to what I said

[carmine tree]

I literally just confirmed your point that people are not used to read patch notes and instead they are only crying and specializing in complainig instead ,what are you even on about ?

If you are experiencing issues comprehending english - then that is not my problem...at all

[frigid gale]

it wasn't very useful information purely based on the fact that I didn't ask

I already knew he didn't read the patch notes as soon as he complained about UE4

to simplify things I just don't see the point of typing a childish message with the purpose of taking the piss out of other people because its useless to what I was explaining

[carmine tree]

Well you have to understand my point too...because majority of people does not experience any serious problems with the game and they are tired of hearing the same stuff everytime.Let alone the fact that most of them still can't understand the fact that jumping to a newer engine,better graphics has its cost and this costs is called "decreases performance" ,not bad optimization.Does the game needs further optimization? Definitely yes. I am not saying it is perfect,but its is pretty decent.We should start making difference between bad optimization and bad hardware for the current upgrade.They call this "game problem" while its completely hardware one. I saw very small amount of people complaining about real in-game problems such as mechanics,settings, etc.The problems you are referring to I guess...All they complain about is "mY gAmE rUns vErY pOor nOw, ThEy rUiNeD iT"

Everyone who I met across the game for the last 3 days have not much of complains about the upgrade to UE5. It's just the ones that are right now angry because instead of 120fps they get 80fps which is still playable. But this is nothing more than the cost of an upgrade to a new engine - not bad game. The game If not better than before - it is at least the same. From now on - we could only expect better and better game , as you said - OWI didn't had the tools until now. They have it now and we all should expect improvements.

[frigid gale]

The game is poorly optimized though that is the whole reason this thread was made, it's not just a hardware issue at all, some people do have outdated hardware, some people have hardware that should be running the game fine, just because your experience might be smooth other users might not have such a smooth experience. I want to see where you found these "majority of people" that according to you "does not experience any serious problems with the game", I wrote I message to a user to help him with his game, you wrote a message with the purpose of taking the piss, your message clearly has zero regard for people on lower spec PC's because you are thoughtless. Don't tell me I'm experiencing issues comprehending english when you clearly don't understand the point of my message.

[thorn lion]

https://tenor.com/view/think-meme-thinking-memes-memes-2024-gif-6703217797690493255

[frigid gale]

Thank you

[thorn lion]

Lol no positive reveiws yesterday, none yet today

[frigid gale]

I suggest you be a bit more thoughtful about what you type in channels, you might have a good PC now but remember you were running on an integrated GPU at one point. @carmine tree

[carmine tree]

Running the game on iGPU is not possible. If you can't comprehend a simple joke - then you really have comprehending issues with English.

[frigid gale]

Nice one

[frigid gale]

?

[carmine tree]

you literally can't make a difference between a joke and a serious claim. You really tought I ran the game on iGPU ,did ya ?

[frigid gale]

I actually ran the game on an iGPU so jokes on you

you can run the game on an iGPU and it is not enjoyable just a little bit of info for you 🙂

[carmine tree]

so you ran the game on iGPU and then you are whinning about poor optimization ,huh ?

[frigid gale]

I ran the game on an iGPU almost 3 years ago I started complaining about optimization when they introduced ICO

I knew the game wouldn't run well on an iGPU

[carmine tree]

Calling Squad ‘poorly optimized’ just because some can’t hit 120 FPS on UE5 is dramatic. UE5 naturally adds workload with Nanite, Lumen, and higher fidelity assets-Epic even warns FPS may drop on older hardware. Most complaints aren’t about real bugs, just expected FPS drops. I’ve run ultra 80-120 FPS the last three days-measurable, not anecdotal. Low-spec PCs exist, yes, but painting the whole game as broken? That’s just being ignnorant

[frigid gale]

I actually upgraded my rig before ICO was introduced

[frigid gale]

Squad is poorly optimized thats the whole point of UE5

So they can repair the game

I don't think you understand what my original argument was so let me just break it down one more time, you were not helping anyone with your message

[carmine tree]

Exactly.And people are calling the game unoptimized because they experience expected fps drop. For sure it needs further optimization,but its not that bad as people with poor performance describe it

They are being too dramatic, its not end of the world

[frigid gale]

"but its not that bad as people with poor performance describe it" have you experienced their experience?

There will be some people being dramatic about it, that is completely normal but some of these complaints are legitimate

[carmine tree]

Do I need to own every possible pc configuration out there to know what is like getting lower fps with newer updates. Personally I also had some fps drop since the update - is it the end of the world ? NOT . Squad is not the first game that caused this - it will not be the last one as well.

[frigid gale]

Then if you understand what its like getting lower fps with newer updates then you should also understand that people might be having a worse experience than you

All I said was not to contribute to the conversation if you don't have anything useful to say