OPTIMIZATION REQUESTS

[topaz blaze]

Yesterday, I was playing on Goose Bay RAAS with 100 players, running the game at 4K (upscaled) with DLSS set to performance. I was getting up to 115 FPS, and even when I opened my scope, the FPS stayed solid at around 95-100. However, the game was plagued by random FPS drops that didn’t make any sense.

At one point, I was east of the Airfield capture point on Goose Bay, looking in a specific direction without moving my mouse. My FPS was holding steady at 110. Suddenly, out of nowhere, it plummeted to 45 FPS for about 10 seconds, even though nothing was happening on the screen and I was still looking at the same spot. Later, while using the Russian 4x scope, I was getting 90-100 FPS, but then it dropped to a mere 15 FPS for 10-25 seconds before returning to normal.

These random FPS drops nearly made me rage quit, as they were incredibly frustrating, especially since we were pushing a HAB in the trees, and I couldn't help my squad when they needed me most.

[thorn lion]

Are you talking about Squads Nividia DLSS or a 3rd party app?
Did you configure any setting using Lossless Scaling, you have to play with the settings to avoid input lag or large stutters

[topaz blaze]

No, all I wrote is not about Lossless scaling. Just typical Squad unoptimized game

[thorn lion]

Got it, yea its really up to squad devs on how well the upscaling and frame gen configurations work ingame.

I would highly encourage the use of Lossless Scaling tho, worked great for me

[latent shoal]

Optimizations are being worked on, as said already countless times. Optimization is always a focus point, just what is being worked on is not ready for live builds and needs more time to cook. Squads performance issues are deep rooted, not something that can be completed in a short time frame.

[sleek zenith]

Can u plz allow us to turn of contrast shadows on low setting instead of it being forced upon us

[tame tapir]

They alreayd said the wont remove any shadows, it boosts FPS too much.

[frigid gale]

Too much FPS doesn't work well in a sentence about squad

[sleek zenith]

😂 😭

[ruby sandal]

Remove dynamic lightning. Causing shadow jitters and game stutters

[vague mulch]

some guy said that setting frame cap to PiP scopes refresh rate helps in performance, however if you have eg. 60hz monitor, frames capped just a little above 60fps, the 60fps cap on pip scopes looks laggy - thus it would be really nice to have the limits for PiP scopes just a little above refresh-rate, like 65, 80, 95, 125, 149 fps

if it is feasible to have custom frame-caps, it might be worth considering as a solution to poor performance of pip scopes

it might be also good to consider bringing back old fashioned 2d scopes as a low hanging fruit in terms of performance

[ruby niche]

just frame rates, anyway to make them possible

[fiery monolith]

things that need to be fixed are the random dysnc, random frame drops (especially sometimes when ads), a weird lag where ill be running and be teleported back to where i was, and a weird delay in spawns (theres been times where i've tried spawning in and the timer hits zero but i sit there for up to 10 seconds and then i load in

[hazy token]

#'s 3 and 4 are based on the server. if the server hasnt been restared in a while then the spawn timers will desync. thats why most servers restart once a day at least

[fiery monolith]

ok thanks

[rotund echo]

Render Distance is probably one of the worst offenders

Some items from the maps pops in and disappear at barely 500 meters. Sometimes it's a whole house. Most of the time it's rocks the size of tanks.

It's incredibly egregious to shoot on an ennemy at 700 m, watch your shot do absolutly nothing, and then realize you most likely hit something invisible

Its one thing to have LOD and make distant objets ugly, but not rendering them at all directly impacts the gameplay

[frigid gale]

indeed

happens a lot with tank gameplay

[ocean osprey]

Is that a vehicle thing? Because i play on low settings and ive never seen that happen.

[celest knoll]

I've seen it.

[gusty cairn]

As for me the easiest way to optimise the game is:

• reduce max players to 80
• max squad size to 7
• reduce number of ifvs and apc (like max. 2 ifv 1 tank 1 heli 1 rws 1 car 2 loggy 1 truck)
• split large maps into 2 separate maps (like yeho, sanxian, kohat, manic, etc... 90% of the game is around 2-3 objectives anyway)
• remove unnecessary objects from maps (like thousands of rocks on yeho under the map)
• optimise or reduce height difference on maps (as I mentioned several times there's a problem with this in engine that causes massive fps problems, for example Fool's road, small map with low FPS in compare to others.

The more complicate way, but more efficient is to organise massive code review to minimise memory leaks, unnecessary memory usage, unnecessary functions and processes.

Also that will make bug fixing easier.
Fixing some bugs that are older than some squad players will help in finding fundamental problems in games core. (For example

• fantom shooting sounds on rally or fob
• explosion animation for vehicles that was destroyed a while ago
• timer and reloading bug on servers that was not restarted for a 10 and more rounds)

I understand that it is hard to envolve new players by fixing old bugs , but I think it is possible to gather some money from old players that love your game by creating some skins, OOORRR even better :
Premium subscription for players and teams that will allow to create and use in game their own chevrons on infantry and vehicles (something like in arma)

I hope that will give you resources to make game better to play. And I hope you will read this and try to at least think about some ideas.

[fiery monolith]

no

please no premium subscriptions

[frigid gale]

god no

[pastel harness]

💀

it will be squa not squad

it will not help

max 1-5% better fps

[thorn lion]

OWI should not charge players like a Live Service model because the player base already pays/moderates the servers.

[fiery monolith]

the emotes and weapon skins are pushing it, istg if there is a premium subscription i will uninstall

[vague mulch]

Nice plan, but as we all know it’s unrealistic. Such approach would be good but with governmental like programs, where you may may have chance of degrading your product a bit in order to fix it later, a stable founding is needed. With a game the reality is kinda different, and you won’t reduce anything, because it would hurt sales a lot. For new players the bugs aren’t that visible, after you play some time you began to realize what kind of product you bought, so there is no other way than code review, with continuous updates with new content. However I must agree on things like optimize maps, as mappers should also be able to do such thing, instead of making new maps - but such effort should be only put on maps that are most popular first, as it would be even better if newer maps are made with higher performance standards. Maps have the biggest impact on performance.

There are also two other main sources of performance problems - pip scopes and shadows. While shadow performance drop can be mitigated by setting it to low, the pip scope system is something that doesn’t actually have any real mitigation of performance drop - frame cap and scaling doesn’t help much, and gives really bad effect on image/video quality. If we could only have an option comparable to low shadows it would be acceptable, however the only option I can imagine now is to add old-fashioned scopes along with pip (just to not remove already implemented feature).

Shadows system should be also reviewed, as I suspect that the current one might have some overkill features that could be removed - eg. shadows being rendered as far as 8km - this is completely not needed.

Speaking of shadows - the problem that they’re trying to solve is the model visibility in a distance. They’re not just something that looks nice but something that is limiting model visibility - however maybe there other methods of concealing models in a distance, that are cheaper in terms of performance and could solve it

However such workarounds should be an addition to current feature set, so you don’t take anything from the players. The solutions should be consistent with current system as much as possible.

[celest knoll]

NGL this sounds terrible dude. This would just make the game worse to play, hell, this game's niche is large-ish scale combined arms warfare, you would be removing a good deal of that scale.

[rich ermine]

Could i turn down graphical qualities to 0 in user settings and not get banned?

[rich ermine]

i use lossless scaling it works perfectly

[fiery monolith]

What needs to happen is we need to cut down some of the trees on certain maps

[rich ermine]

like i wonder if i can turn this down lmao

cause low and epic look the exact same side by side exept for shadows particles and stuff

[fiery monolith]

Bro that'd be funny

[fiery monolith]

I thought it would look like a ps1 game with the graphics that low

[rich ermine]

i really wish my gpu can play squad with medium shadows as soon as i turn up them shadows it plummets to like 20 fps

[rich ermine]

nope

low looks the same as epic for me atleast

[fiery monolith]

Rip

[rich ermine]

and they dont let us take up the small shadows or whattever its called at low preset

cause "it would give people a unfair advantage"

[fiery monolith]

Bro what unfair advantage would it give

[rich ermine]

more fps lmao

[fiery monolith]

Bruh

"So we don't want you guys to actually play the game without lagging"

[rich ermine]

i have to cap my fps at 30 andmake my mouse motion look like playing on a ps2 controller so it feels smooth

and make

[fiery monolith]

That's tragic

[rich ermine]

and the worst part is that my card is equivelent to a gtx 1660 ti which from vids gets like 80 fps on epic

what has this game gone to in the past 5 years💀

[fiery monolith]

Idk man, the amount of bugs and lag issues that have appeared is actually crazy

[rich ermine]

like 5 years ago maybe any gpu could get 60 fps and the game looked good

but now i struggle to get 30 fps on all low..

[fiery monolith]

Maybe ico messed things up or something, but it doesn't make sense because they didn't do anything like change the game engine or up the graphics or anything like that

[rich ermine]

fsr 3 fg should be here but uh

doesnt seem like it

[fiery monolith]

Damn

[quartz smelt]

Still not fixed....😞

[rich ermine]

my optimization request is that u actually optimize

[cold bluff]

If Battlefield 1 could give me more than 144 fps with mid settings with those graphics, squad should provide me 80 fps average (Larger maps + player count) with this kind of graphics. Squad never had very good looking textures anyway and never had performance issues before the shader update. I could play full server 60 fps+ with 1050ti on my old pc. Shader and shadow update made the game unplayable even with 3050 ti on full servers.

[frigid gale]

I know I have given a lot of shit to OWI about the optimization but I don't think its worth complaining anymore in here

they know they have an issue with their game and they are finishing off the current projects and then going to start working on optimization

at least thats what is being said on twitter

just gotta be patient

How do you think people who play arma feel? those graphics aren't amazing and there is people who struggle with FPS drops and freezing and that game has been out for like 10 years

[austere tree]

My average goose bay experience (ignore the "music")

[frigid gale]

yea goose bay has always had issues

its really incosistent

some places you can get 60-80 fps then you look another direction and it drops

what I do want is a version of goosebay without all the snow

I feel like it would look insane

like a summer enviroment version

[misty swift]

Performance in Squad usually has nothing to do with graphics.

It is because of the CPU load

[topaz blaze]

YESSS, same. Mine goes from 100 to 40 and sometimes even down to 14 fps. This game is just impossible to keep the fps stable

[rich ermine]

it went from 50 to 25 for looking at a building

[sleek zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-its-making-me-cringe-dutch-dying-micah-gif-15428903

[fiery monolith]

My game crashed once because I shot someone

[untold hound]

Is it possible to lower main camera resolution when ads to alleviate stutters?

[silk merlin]

you mean pip scope ?

you can change resolution scaling in pip scopes yes

[untold hound]

no i mean, while ads, lower the res of the out of focus, main view.

but then again, you're viewing the pip scope through the main cam, so probably not

[late totem]

But there is blur around scope, isnt it?

[silk merlin]

Ah, that is not possible

[crisp geyser]

which you can remove btw

[sharp mango]

theres no way eveeryone is havinng problems right?

I mean, squad can't be that terribly optimized?

[tame tapir]

everyone has the problem

[mystic kindle]

Not without cheating

[topaz blaze]

well it is

[crisp geyser]

theres literally a setting in game to remove the blur around scope when zoomed in

[late totem]

when you ads, there is blur around

[austere tree]

Nah

[topaz blaze]

The blur when adsing looks so bad. It's like a layer of silicone, doesn't even look like blur

[mystic kindle]

No, there's not

[steady badge]

Like me

[topaz blaze]

😭

[tame tapir]

Never gonna happen.

[ripe cedar]

Sad but true

[crude harbor]

I’d like to see some optimization for super ultrawide displays. I’ve been playing at 5120x1440 for a few years and in helo you cannot see the console for flight speed and other screens. I’ve learned to deal with it in other vehicles but helo is impossible without seeing speed monitor.

I realize I’m probably in a smaller group that has a display like this but optimization around a supported resolution would be very welcome.

[rotund echo]

MFW when some dude ping Ceeg for optimisation on a resolution 0,30 % of ppl use when 100% of players are experiencing garbage tier frames per second and never seen before pop in issues :

On another note, why do you even use an ultrawide monitor to game on Squad ?

You can't modify the FOV in vehicles and that ratio is bound to mess things

[topaz blaze]

Oh it will, believe

[austere tree]

Just like The Second Coming

[austere tree]

I probably didn't make the best choice... Ryzen 7600 cl30.

[sly robin]

please make it so that you can hit the "Apply" button in your settings while you are in a queue in the main menu

the queue blocks the button and I need to be able to change a setting while I'm waiting

couldnt find a better thread to post this in

[topaz blaze]

LMAOOO

Bro brought that ryzen so confident and all he gets is nothing 😭

Should've brought the x3d's

[crude harbor]

MFW I specifically noted that in my original message. Doesn't mean I can't ask for it. I like using this monitor for different games, and it works well for Squad just not in all situations, which is what I was asking for improvement upon.
BTW, I get good frames on it, usually 100+ , I just want the vehicles to work better, which is what I specifically asked for.

Edit: I see you're in Star Citizen also, are you okay with me using this monitor for that game, or is that an issue for you also?

[rotund echo]

My issue was you pinging Ceeg for a issue a very small niche of players face

I didn't know some random guy on discord could just ping a community manager for whatever he wants

Maybe i'll do it too if it's fine

But now that you mention Star Citizen, did you face any issue when you pilot a ship like the one you described here for helos ?

Cause it's a very similar scenario, so i'm curious what's the differencee beetwin SC and Squad when handling ultra wide monitors

[crude harbor]

I didn’t know pinging him was an issue, saw others had done it and assumed that was the way. Kinda new here but not to the game.

Nope no issues in SC, lots of FOV slider there. Along with a Tobii eye tracker it’s been fantastic as a display. It’s not ideal for FPS in any game but you get more peripheral just not as much vertical. It’s something you adapt to quickly though.

[austere tree]

Well, it's actually x2 compared to my old PC + my motherboard is capable of 7800x3d, so it's not over.

[topaz blaze]

Just played the new update that Squad 44 had. That game is a masterpiece right now. The graphics and performance this game has right now is impossible to compare to Squad.

Ultra settings in Squad 44 on 4K gave me 80-90 fps. Ultra LOW settings in Squad 4K gives me 70-80 fps

[slow pendant]

I did try to warn you to help you avoid buyer's remorse. Unfortunately much like my wife in many scenarios, it appears that people on the internet also do not heed my warnings 😅

[late totem]

btw it's nice framerate in squad

[rotund echo]

No it isn't

He didn't mention what gpu he has but you can see it doesnt go above 70%

[worthy wedge]

pip scope is definetly should change in order to optimization

when i open the scope the fps drops %50 max

[topaz blaze]

Aand the biggest problem with all the fps loss is, the scopes still look like trash even though you give half of your fps away, so bad fps and terrible vision inside of the scopes

So when is the optimization coming? Was it September?

[worthy wedge]

they will add the patch Optimization improved but there will be nothing

[plush bobcat]

fix terrible performance

[solar marsh]

Lol.
Your PC from 00x ?

[rotund echo]

I have a high end build from the previous gen and this game gives me plenty of reasons to uninstall it.

My frames are very decent averaging around 120 fps

But i have 2 to 4 crashs every sessions.

You wouldn't believe how often the game crash

Alt Tabbing sometimes crash it despite running in Borderless Windowed

And sometimes the game crash for no apparent reason

[celest knoll]

That's quite odd

[worthy wedge]

bro what graphics card you have

and what is the resolution of your game

[rotund echo]

Is no one going to mention that the favorite tab in the servere browser has been broken for years ?
Servers still randomly show or hide in that tab despite beeing marked as favorites

[austere tree]

@worthy wedgewhy are you asking?

I mean GPU is not 100% utilized, so it's not affecting performance.

[lone dagger]

this game is need the optimization so quickly

[vague mulch]

Instead we will get another poor performing map like the Al basrah, from the screenshots I can now tell that we will be suffering from poor fps again

New Al Basrah look cluttery as fuck

Idk why mappers are still making this kind of maps - lots of objects, poor performance and gameplay not much better when compared to simpler maps

No, there will be no optimisation upade if maps going to be cluttered this much

[limber forum]

There is a 33% chance my game will freeze every couple seconds for a couple seconds if I have nvidia instant replay turned on. At the same time, I cannot screen record with nvidia shadowplay as it will end automatically the moment it starts. UE4 will crash if instant replay is not turned off, which has to be done with a hotkey because the overlay is bugged.

There is a 33% chance (after restarting my computer) that this wont happen at all.

There is a 33% chance this wont happen for maybe 10 minutes, but an explosion, heli, or any minor stressor other than an empty server will cause the freezing to start.

This never happened before the ICO or during the earlier playtests or in any other game I have, even seemingly more demanding ones. I can also run many other things at the same time as squad, just not this recording software. Im not a computer guy so I dont know if this is part of the games CPU bottleneck thing. Nvidia GTX 1070 GPU, and AMD ryzen 7 3700X 8 core CPU

[rotund echo]

You should give OBS a try.

I use it all the time and it doesn't cause what you describe

[crimson valley]

7800X3D 4070 SUPER AND 60 FPS

I HATE THIS GAME

[rotund echo]

1080p ?

[frigid gale]

be thankful you have 60 FPS

thats playable

[topaz blaze]

A lot of people said 7800x3d cpu's are fixing the fps problem but appearently that's not always the case

[spice atlas]

7800x3d. Yes I am basically between 130 and my 140 cap most of the time now. Usually if it is lower it is gpu. Currently running dlss. It is mostly windows task scheduling messing up cpu cache.

[topaz blaze]

I don't understand life anymore

[fallow shadow]

nah just 2heads playing on ultra settings with dlss/fsr and locked 60fps

also turn off windows game mode

[crisp geyser]

i never drop below 60 in the most intense situations. Generall am 100+fps at all time on any map and any scope at 1440p

[slow pendant]

That's a misconfiguration on your part I think. I struggle to believe that you're unable to break 60 fps with that setup unless you're trying to run 4k or some crazy widescreen mega resolution

[misty swift]

What resolution?

This does not seem to be a hardware related issue on your end.

[misty swift]

It usually does unless they have other issues like obsolete GPUs or wrong setups due to user error.

[proper abyss]

The shadows update, the newer maps starting from Black Coast and the pip scope update all caused significant performance issues. Mostly erratic framerates when looking in different directions, when being in specific areas or when aiming down the sights (pip). This happens regardless of graphics settings or hardware, these issues even happen on the latest gen i7s and graphics cards. I regularly get stuttering when certain software is running in the background and I basically have to shut everything but squad down, maybe to clear memory or stop certain processes, not sure. People have been complaining about this for years now.

[crimson valley]

i set power of gpu to 40% sry for drama xD i thought there was any update that destroyed game

[vague mulch]

Pretty good summary on what are the core issues that have been introduced. The only one that is solvable with minimum effort is to fix the overlly complex maps or maps that have really bad performing spots, and if creating new maps just make it simpler. Rest is a task that would require code tricks that are pretty hard to implement and lies in, let's name it lower abstraction, as we can see how long does it take to fix things like logi bug that we had for months.

For me the most reasonable step that could taken now is to limit map complexity. Simpler maps are quite playable, and we have some examples like yeho, goosebay, albasra etc. The complexity of the map doesn't translate to its 'playability', but framerate is indeed tied to pretty strongly

[topaz blaze]

Where is the big 'Optimization' update? It's almost September, and I'm expecting it within the next few weeks.

[turbid verge]

They said it would happen after the content update in September, not that there is an optimization update coming by september

[candid roost]

Hi there long time player here and just wanted to add 3 thoughts

1. Please fix the bush rendering inside scopes or low grass whilst prone or at the edge of a bush to help with sight picture

2. Add some kind of half ladder / wall vault for the Combat engineer Role or for a squad mate to carry said items (perhaps for a 5% stamina decrease)

3. Small bush / trees Collision boxes need a rework entirely

[hidden basin]

Nah bro we need more skins

[topaz blaze]

Bro I don't care what they said. In the next big update, I am expecting an optimization update, because this game needs it so badly. If they release new maps or rework on maps, it ain't changing much, cuz with this optimization, I ain't playing on any map ..

[fallow shadow]

1. Nah too much work and game code probably won't allow that
2. Nah too much work and game code probably won't allow that
3. They would have to rework every map so that won't happen

[vague mulch]

they would remove old al bashra and replace it with new one, cluttered, possibly badly performing

it's not an ID software developing bsp tree in early 90's, the 'optimization' is not a low hanging friuit anymore, especially on a proprietary, third party engine, only thing that I see feasible is to overhaul the maps, but it would come with a cost of maps not having so much objects (that actually doesn't translate positively to a gameplay) - but maps would not look so attractive on screenshots then

[austere tree]

Based

Damn third-party proprietary engines are a double-edged sword.

[late totem]

haha, yoy mean devs should WORK on JOB? what a joke

[ocean osprey]

The new windows 11 insider update for amd ryzen 4> cpu boosts peformance in the range of 10-30%

24h2

[ocean osprey]

Ryzen 3 and up

Optimization of branch code predicition

[rotund echo]

I dont understand your 3rd point.

When remaking tree and bush colisions boxes, you don't have to reworks all of the maps.

Instead, you modify the assets used in the maps. Then you check that the modified assets isn't messing the map, and you're good to go.

There are like 4 tree chunks assets or 20 bushs assets. No need to check the maps.

Also, why do bushs have hitboxes only on Sanxian ? Is it because they used different assets of bushes or because each and every bush placed on Sanxian is set to have an hitbox ?

As far as I know when you make a map you give it its general shape and then place assets on it.

The assets, be it building, rocks, tree, or mobile things like vehicles can be modified without impacting the map.

Because when you place an asset on a map, you tell the game that this asset is placed at those coordonates with thoses rotations.

If you modify the asset used, all instance of the asset on the map, and others maps, will be modified accordingly without impacting the placement of the asset.

[fallow shadow]

Bro
They had to roll back update that changed how compass looks because that caused crashes for everyone
I refuse to believe that even simplest thing isn't tied down to OWI's spaghetti code

[spice atlas]

Saw some test results last night. Some games respond extremely well. I bet squad won't though. I will be going to 24h2 tonight.

[ocean osprey]

I did see much more stable framerates. 100 player invasion server, directly on top of an arty drop my framerate never dropped below 120 yesterday. Where befpre it would dip to 100s.

It was on yeho though so it might have just been the map. Yeho runs reqlly well anyway. I'll see if it improves peformance in harju and some of the less optimized maps later tonight.

[spice atlas]

Going to get the update right now

[ocean osprey]

Let me know how it goes for you.

[spice atlas]

Took a while to find which insider option to select. Tried beta and it updated the wrong one lol. All done now though and will see soon.

[ocean osprey]

Makes sure you dont opt in to the dev ptogram lmao. I got locked in it somehow and theres no way to get out without a clean windows installation.

[spice atlas]

Hard to know any difference but had an insane arty on narva and fps was around 110. Dipped for a moment to 85 but back to 130 after. Then black coast seemed better than last night.

[polar wave]

110fps that dip to 85, how bad
some of us can barely get 45fps in good conditions in a game

[hot dawn]

Yo, 45 is my max 😂
Usually 30, thats why I’ve spend 1000/1000 hours playing as a vehicle driving
At least, I can drive…

[sleek zenith]

I Went from 85fps-100fps on High settings but since 2.0 my fps has droped to now 40fps now on low settings

its because of the my gpu cache

the textures and or models are onuptimized

leading to my GPU bottlenecking

its a 1660 with 6gb ram

but 6GB only 2 years ago used to be enough

its not like im playing a completely different game i was 2 years ago (except ico 🤪)

[austere tree]

Lighting overhaul and ICO have been a disaster for the Squad community.

[slow pendant]

Can't agree more that they've been bad for mid/low spec machine performance, but for the "community" seems like a broad stroke to paint given that squad continues to grow year on year

[crystal forum]

ryzen 7 4800h
rtx 3050
16gb ram
30-50 fps

[rotund echo]

If you consider ICO is the main reason why modded servers using Supermod, GE, and others who modify the gunplay have so much success then you can't exactly say ICO was good.

If you couldn't mod the ICO i bet there wouldn't be as many players

[bold pewter]

the times i have the worst fps in this game is adsing while using the clarity scope at 125 with magnifying scopes, explosions happening in front of me, and people shooting next to me all at the same time. obviously i know why i get low fps at these times but the difference when i ads and when i unads during the same events my fps comes back to solid 70-80 fps

clarity scopes or scopes in general might need some optimization due to the fact i think it renders more things when you have a 4x-8x and ads like tarkov

[marsh isle]

Hello everyone! Nice to meet you on this discord server and this cool game.
My problem is a low FPS, 38 fps on main spawn and 20-25 fps on battle.
Now my graphic settings is ALL low and screen resolution is 1280 x 720 (its give me +12 fps)
I need just stable 60 fps and not so pixelated game.
I play on laptop (I know about the temperature)

Full HD monitor 1920x1080
I5-9300H 2.40 GHz
GTX 1650 GDDR6 4Gb VRAM (Mobile)
16 Gb of RAM
SSD

[rotund echo]

4 GB of VRAM

Laptop

You're brave to try to play Squad with that

[austere tree]

[acoustic torrent]

with 8.0 update we got XeSS 1.2 (version wasn't mentioned in the changelog, tho it was really easy to check version via in game files and in game), why use 1.2 while Intel has released XeSS 1.3 (4th april 2024) and most recently XeSS 1.3.1 (18th july) XeSS 1.3 has offered many improvements. as these updates are backwards compatible why not update it to the latest version ? We could get better upscaled image with near/same performance

[slow pendant]

Sorry to say but you have no chance to get 60 frames per second with that laptop and squad. Even if they push the "optimize" button next patch, your rig was pretty low end (natural for laptops) when those components originally came out.

[marsh isle]

and I play vr

[marsh isle]

k, but we need to try all what we can use

[rotund echo]

VR at 20 fps ?

Makes you vomit

[marsh isle]

Nah, stable 72 fps on not so simple games

[violet tendon]

Does the game still stutter randomly?

[solid cargo]

They fixed the stutter caused by a network spike if that is what you mean.

[violet tendon]

Imma check it out

[topaz blaze]

fps is still s*it

[rich ermine]

lmao im getting 15 fps while roaming on all low 1080p fullscreen on a global server

why didnt i refund this shitty ass game

the trees arent even showing for me

and im getting 15 fps

I DISABLED THE TREES BRO

and im getting 15 fps

i quit

[austere tree]

You playing on ps4 or something?

[misty swift]

This is a bannale offense btw.

[thin dome]

I also have no trees on some maps and potato textures with directx 12
So I use only directx 11, there are no problems

[rich ermine]

ok sorry ill just get 7 fps now

😍

[frigid gale]

just be patient

hopefully should be some updates for performance from september onwards

[loud isle]

been playing this since late 2020, can safely say the optimisation hasn't been as bad as it is now...

its a joke.

[solid cargo]

The lighting update was the heaviest hit to game performance as i remember.

[topaz blaze]

nooo way

so they will bring out pmc's and after that they will work on optimization

speechless

[sleek cove]

100% on this, I feel the whole community would agree.

[heavy parcel]

"after this next update"
So, a update now with no optimization and then optimization.. Great.

We need bigger & better updates and an insane max serious priority on optimization asap.!

[violet tendon]

The game doesn’t feel smooth at all

At least the latency stutter is fixed

[marsh isle]

When I play on a server with 30 players, everything is fine and I get a stable 60 fps. But when the server is full, the fps drops to just 20-30. What we can do with it?

[rotund echo]

Cry about it

That's the only thing you can do

That, and buy a 7800X3D

To squeeze just a bit more fps out of Squad's poor optimisation

[marsh isle]

thath only you can say here? Not helpful

[rotund echo]

I mean

You know the concept of software bottleneck ?

Basicaly, if a game is coded to only use 4 cores out of the 16 you have, you can't do anything about it except making the 4 cores faster

If you loose half your fps on a full server it's a typical CPU bottleneck caused by the game not using you full CPU power and struggling with the part it actualy uses

I wouldn't be surprised if you tell me you have a Ryzen 1st or second gen.

They are known to have poor single core performance

[marsh isle]

uhh, im ping my own message with my all characteristics.

scroll up

[austere tree]

That's sucks

[austere tree]

@marsh isle here is how relatively new mid CPU performs

Sucks too, actually (if you've ever seen 100+ fps on 100hz+ monitor)

[marsh isle]

cool, but, its too not helpful for me and my perf when my core is suck x4...

[rotund echo]

For your information, I have a 7900 XTX and a 5800X3D

When im on Jensen I run a stable 240 fps with the GPU around 80 to 90% usage

When I join a real game on a full server im barely at half of that. Graviting around 110fps in the good days

[rotund echo]

You are trying to play Squad, a game with 50 players facing 50 players on big maps, which is already pretty challenging technicaly, plus the game's very poor optimisation, and all of that on a frying pan

Don't hope for miracles honestly

[austere tree]

Buy new cpu... NOW!

[rotund echo]

He is on a laptop yikes

Condoleances for that guy

[frigid gale]

how good is the 7900

I am upgrading my PC this winter and I was looking between the nvidia 40 series or a radeon gpu

I dont know much about radeon gpus

[rotund echo]

As long as you dont give a shit about RTX nor DLSS

They are a very good value, if you have them available at a good price

I bought mine about a year ago for 1000 euros. It performs better than a 4080 despite the 4080 beeing more expensive

For prices I recommand using PcPartPicker and for performance just check some benchmarks from reliable youtubers like GamersNexus, Jayz2Cents, Hardware Unboxed...

I also heard that Radeons GPUs lacked some feature streamers may want to use or whatever but I don't care either

As a standard, normi gamer that only care about rasterized true frames without any fancy shit like RTX or upscaling, I found AMD GPUs to be good.

I went from GTX 1080 to 6800 XT to 7900 XTX, completly skipping all of Nvidia's recent bullshit because I didn't want to pay extra cash for Ray Tracing when I can't give it a single fuck

The only thing that you have to know specificaly for Squad is that with Nvidia settings you can change Gamma and cheese the stupid ass fog to see targets clearly at longer ranges.

You can't do that with AMD cards, they don't have a Gamma setting

Other than that, the tendency that globaly don't change is :
AMD cards are always cheaper, and have similar or superior performance to their Nvida conterparts. They also have more VRAM.
So they are more future proof wheras Nvida intentionnaly skimped on VRAM to force their buyer to change their GPUs sooner.

However, the moment you turn on Ray Tracing, both Nvidia and AMD's frame rates crater. The difference is that DLSS became decent and if you use DLSS alongside RTX you can reach image quality AMD can't offer.

There are 2 reasons I don't give a danm about RTX tho.

The first is that I consider Ray Tracing to never be worth the FPS cost. Why would I loose half my frames just to see some reflections on water pools ? Don't care.

The second is that I don't like upscaling. It may be a good thing but I don't like it because I feel the upscaled image is blurry and will never be as sharp as native resolution.

The last reason that I didn't mention is that, when you buy an RTX card, you buy Ray Tracing, however there are very few games that integrate Ray Tracing.
Most of the games you wanna play don't even bother integrating Ray Tracing. Either because they are made by small indies, or because it's just pointless. Like who the fock would care about RTX in a competitive game like LoL or CS GO

Ray Tracing is only a thing for big budgets solo games. That's it

[topaz blaze]

I think the only reason the x3d perform that well is the cache the things have. Even though the game is poorly optimized, the cache makes the game run nicely. Same in tarkov

[rotund echo]

True

That VCache is the reason why some games run incredibly better than on an Intel's

The 7800X is just a good CPU, but the 3D version is amazing

[topaz blaze]

Me with my i9 10900K i am getting 75 fps on low settings with 5.2 ghz

😭

[rotund echo]

Cheh

The cool side effect of the Vcache is that it is thermicaly weak

So it forced AMD to have reasonnable power consumption instead of pushing the clock speeds

Also a reason why the 3D are so power efficient

Because they aren't overclocked

Never been a better time to be an AMD fan

While Intel are melting their 13th and 14th gen processors, facing one of the largest upcoming RMA wave to come, and while Nvidia is literaly incapable of making a relevant GPU except at the ultra high end with the 4090 (if you forget the melting power connectors issue), AMD just make some solid components, for good prices.

Except the 7000 Radeons

That's just yikes

Saw some benchs

Was not amazing so far for the newest gen

The 7900 and 7900 XTX are very good but from the little I saw the cards below like the 7800 XT are just refreshed cards from the previous gen without any noticeable improvement other than the price

Excatly like Nividia's 4060 which performance is so close to the 3060 it may as well not exists at all and it wouldn't make a difference

[slow pendant]

@frigid gale Go to youtube and type "gamersnexus <gpu you are considering>" and watch their reviews. Very thorough and give a wide range of comparisons to similar priced SKUs.

[frigid gale]

so if I'm looking for performance/price then AMD GPUs are the way to go

[rotund echo]

They generaly here, but that heavely depends on your local prices.

What ultimatly matters is the price of the GPU, which you can check with PCPartPicker, and the performance of the GPU in the scenario you're gonna use it, which you can check on youtube on reliable tech channels.

And the most common scenario for a GPU is native resolution, RTX off, upscaling off

Would be cool to know what monitor you have too. Because betwin a 2160x1440x240 monitor and a 1920x1080x60 monitor, obviously the GPU power required differs by a lot

[misty swift]

This depends on your use case. If you want to play games with RT, want to render some stuff in Blender or train an AI model, then Nvidia offers a much better performance to price ratio.

Nvidia also offer better software like DLSS or DLAA that AMD either lacks completely or only offers inferior alternatives.

It also depens on the exact model and category. A 7900 XTX is for example just as expensive as a 4080, but performs worse, while a 7900XT is 100 € cheaper as a 4070 TI and offers similar performance.

[rotund echo]

The 7900 XTX and 4080 are virtualy equal in rasterization. Over games one wins over the other by a few frames but that's it.

1 year ago when I bought my 7900 XTX it was much cheaper than a 4080. By hundreds of euros.

Now that the price of the 4080 got close to the 7900 XTX, taking one or the other is fine

[heavy parcel]

I can't even put into words how much of a priority optimization should be, I know your working on it, but when optimization updates come out I really hope you surprise us and add abilities and stuff to optimize the living cr*p out of the game. Love the game though, but optimize it hardcore.

[topaz blaze]

Yaay play pmc's and fly little birds on new al basrah map with 50 fps 🥴

[vague mulch]

it will be like this

[latent shoal]

Al Bas rework is not next patch

Was just a teaser to show that the most requested map rework, is happening

[topaz blaze]

Still, they come before the optimization because OWI decided OPTIMIZATION was not number 1 priority for so many years

[latent shoal]

Optimization has and is still being worked on. After the September patch, things will be slowly revealed & shown regarding what the optimization patch coming entails.

[coarse sun]

👍

[vague mulch]

Would be see reduced number of objects/draw calls on maps like hajiru or black coast? Or such maps would be still cluttered and poorly optimized?

It’s not about reducing the culling distance, but just remove objects that gives nearly nothing to gameplay, but takes away a lot of frames

[latent shoal]

Draw call management is apart of it, which entails things in the rendering pipeline. Can't really say anything more than that.

[vague mulch]

draw call managment like reduce culling distance even more, so objects would unnaturally pop-in or you will be shooting ivisible walls

instead of just removing the unecessary clutter

i've seen it bro

maps are kinda fucked up by over-enthusiastic mappers

anyway, i keep my fingers crossed, as I've also seen that already that doing any optimisations in already mature project is really hard

what I would do if I have one goal of improving the framerates, I would just remove pip and simplify maps

as major issues with performance are maps, pip and shadows

[vague mulch]

No need to dive much into the code, just keeping in mind how much stuff you are putting into maps might be most beneficial.

Ofc some magic “optimizations” would be nice, but there are many things that just can’t be optimized, or are already at the peak state of optimization, the issue is just how much of those things we have sent to cpu/gpu to calculate.

For theoretical object, even if you optimize calculations as much as possible, the calculations would have to be performed anyway. But if you remove a thing - no calculations can be made, and you magically get your resources back.

But what I’m hearing from you is like someone very talented is working on a breakthrough algorithm like bsp was in the 90s.

I don’t expect it to happen, not in the current state of technology. Hopefully there are areas where devs were lazy a lot when implementing and there is a vast room for optimization there, but on the other hand I heard that everything was made well. Idk. I hope that the squad is a total mess, so there is a hope for optimization. But claims were different.

[heavy parcel]

Every tweet, message or website I go to is a desperate attempt at having their voices heard for optimization.
This should be a main priority, I doubt majority of players even care about new content when they are barely able to play the game.
I have a feeling you guys are taking this request unserious and or not serious enough. I've witnessed first hand people quite literally uninstalling or quitting the game because it is so unoptimized.

I'm not here to speak bad, I love the game, great and all. But we need people's voice heard, they afterall make up your entire game.
Take it serious, step it up and continue on after that. I understand it takes time and all, but postpone the update and focus on the things that matter, I don't think anybody would care if a few things are postponed in favor of a priority which is to optimize the game. All love ❤️
#OptimizeTheGame

[rotund echo]

I mean no offense but

They released the Turks before caring about optimisation

And we are still searching for the players who cared about the Turks

Their priority order is somewhere beetwin "Don't care" and "I know better"

They broke the saying "if it ain't broken, dont fix it" with ICO and subsequent reworks, but any meaninfull bugfix or optimisation improvement are either late or non existent.
2k hours of gameplay over about 4 years. The favorite tab of the server browser has been a living meme for as long as I can remember

Too many months to fix the helicopters teleporting around like crazy. Like yea it's fixed but danm the time it took

They somehow think that releasing new content is the main reason why players keep on playing, and that optimisation is bottom list priority because afterall players don't care about it

But imo that's a mistake. Squad is not Warframe, or any looter shooter that rely on gameplay loops which includes looting, or rewards, or grind that keep the player playing

Squad is unique, and it's a PvP game with 0 grind whatsover. There is 0 difference beetwin a 0 hour and 5k hours player in Squad beside the player's skill

So I do not understand why they think content or gameplay changes are more important for player retension than having a stable, and fonctionning game

The other hypothesis is that they are perfectly aware of it, but adding a bit of content every 3 to 6 months is infinitly easyer than fixing bugs and optimising the game

Which could be the sad truth. Maybe the devs aren't capable of optimising the game or fixing bug in a relevant timeframe

When you have a 50 vs 50 fest on servers hosted by who knows, it would be understandable if the task is hard

But it would be nice to quantify and explain how difficult it actualy is

[heavy parcel]

This post was made 5 months ago, yet optimization department is still slacking.
People have to resort to 3rd party programs or Windows modifications to gain a few more FPS to play the game just slightly easier.

Come on man.

[heavy parcel]

That's what I'm trying to point out they are not taking this seriously and aren't listening or wanting our voices heard just typical 'corporate responses'. I get it it's a big game and UE4 and all that, but for 5 months push all these updates, etc. and zero optimization? Got to be trolling now, no?

[rotund echo]

What do you mean UE5 ?

[heavy parcel]

UE4 my bad.

[rotund echo]

Imo there are some offenders who are worse than other

I already mentionned LOD but I'll repeat myself

I do not understand how the concept of LOD does not some seem to apply to many assets of Squad. The game either renders an objets, or totaly don't.
Yea sure trees have LOD. Cool things because there are thousands of them so you bet it's better if they eat less ressources, byt why do maps like Fallujah have insane pop in issues ? Why do cars and entire buildings stop rendering at 500 meters ?

[heavy parcel]

No community transparency is the thing, we are being left in the dark.
'we are working on it' is all we have.

[latent shoal]

It's being taken seriously, it's been a huge focus behind the scenes. While the next patch isn't an optimization patch, this does not mean it's being ignored until this content up drops - Optimizations have been in the works for months and the reason it's not the next update, is because it's simply would not be ready for a Sept release.

There is a lot of things being done, and after the Sept update there will be more transparency on it.

[autumn sky]

Yea it is not being taken seriously. I have been playing this game for quite some time now, and never have I seen bugs persist like they have been for the past year or so now. Sound bugs, inability to spawn while countdown is zero (or even certain buildings disallowing spawns), reload animations bug, damage not registering on multiple accounts (against helis), and I could go on and on. If it was taken seriously, we would not have to wait over a year for optimization and for a POLL ASKING IF WE WANT IT. OWI only cares about pleasing tencent and has yet to listen to any veteran players besides irrelevant streamers (with whom OWI is actually partnered with). I'm sure everyone knows what streamers/Youtubers I am referring to here. Also, do not forget that they promised content sneak peaks if you left enough positive reviews. IE against steam's policy.

[crisp geyser]

They either have a team making a new game that is undisclosed or OWI really doesn’t care to maintain/enhance their main game. Not sure what’s true. Should not need to go out and buy a 5800x3d or 7800x3d just to play a game from 2017

And even then $500 later and you can’t get stable 165 fps

[quartz smelt]

How is content priority over lag for everyone we have all been lagging for a long time + the 5 months from when this post was even made and you want to release more content before fixing the problem... we even voted on twitter 😒

[crude jolt]

on god bro we'll optimize the game (in 10 years)

[rich ermine]

atleast hes honest that only 4090 users can play this game

😍

[misty swift]

You can play the game with any GPU from the last 3-4 years without issues if you have a good CPU.

[crimson valley]

IS GAME OPTIMISED YET AND WHY NOT? LMAO

[urban palm]

Can you please give me this game, I can't just let it, so I'm playing through cloud gaming.

[rotund echo]

"Without issues"
That's a bold statement considering the ammount of bugs this game has

But yea as long as you have a decent CPU and GPU, the 60 fps should be fairly reachable

I wouldn't call an average of 10+ crashs a week (back when I played every evening) "Without issues"

[misty swift]

Do you run DX12 with an RTX 4000 card?

[rotund echo]

I run a 7900 XTX and I ran DX11 and 12 and changing DirectX didn't seem to make any noticeable improvement

The game is technicaly lame for a very long list of reasons even when it doesn't crash tho

From sound bugs to ennemies not taking dmg to decor not rendering and making you shoot at an ennemy but in reality you shoot a whole house in front of them but that house didn't render at all cause you know, 700 meters

IEDs killing you with a 2 seconds delay and from 50 m of the place you killed the carrier from

Lemme me tell you a funny little thing

I used to play with friends who have low end PCs

The first don't render trees and essentialy has a wallhack because his PC is too weak so sometimes he doesn't render entire forests

And the second

Run at an average of 40 to 60 frames per seconds

But he can instantly tell you if someone used smokes somewhere on the map

Becauses his fps woulds dips below 10, even if the smoke is 2km away behind 3 hills

I often duo crewman with that second friend

And everytime he guns it's funny as fock because

He shoots someone

That target tries to flee and use smokes

My friend then proceed to have sub 10 fps

Along with some freezes

so he can't hit any shot, obviously

And we die

So, most of the times, I get to gun and he drives, that way it's not a big deal if he experience Squad's peak technical performance

And obviously because that game is so incredibly well made

I have frames dips too, but I drop from 110 to 80 so it's manageable

so we chase the ennemy in the smoke

And the thing is

Even when you're deep in the smoke and can't see anything

The smoke covers everything... EXCEPT some effects from ennemy vehicles, like dust from their track on the ground of the fumes of their engines

So i have some clips of me, shooting an ennemy IFV at 200 m, through an entire mist of thick smoke due to us following his exact path while the ennemy driver hold left click the entire time

Truly, PEAK Squad experience

Another great time is when you chill at a repair station

you just watch your bros dig the thing up, and as the SL i just stay in the gun

And then, you hear gunshots

from your own team

And it's bugged sounds of AKs coming from the rep station or the T72 turret

Knowing that the position of your repair station and the radio can be given away by phantom shots in the middle of nowhere truely makes you exhale a long sight

"Just Squad beeing Squad"

[violet tendon]

Please i have a 4090rtx 24gb and a ryzen 7 7800x3d with 64 gb of ram and it stutters like a lot.

[slow pendant]

I would wager it's a computer configuration problem. I have far inferior specs and experience very little if any since they patched the networking stutter thing earlier this year. I recall I read some guides to optimizing windows 11 for gaming and disabled a bunch of features and it seems to have made it pretty smooth aside from squad's general bad performance

[violet tendon]

Already did it. I watched all the guides and all the invidia control panel settings guides

Its only squad all other games run well

I have high fps

But micro stutters every now and then like frequently

Is it asset loading?

[misty swift]

Try DX11

[violet tendon]

I will

Witch would be sad bc i am using a high end machine but ill try

[latent shoal]

if you have very constant stutter, I would suggest turning off shadowplay if you use it or have it activated. It is known to cause issues amongst multiple games, including Squad. If this turns out to be the cause of your stutter, Nvidia has a newer Shadowplay on their new App(Nvidia App).

[violet tendon]

Ill look into it 🙏🏼 thank you

I love this game and it pains me

[rotund echo]

Consider using OBS if Shadowplay turn out to be a problem

I recorded Terabytes of gameplay over the years and the only issue I ever had with OBS is that sometimes I forgot to turn it on or I would rarely have a bug with it. I insist on rarely.

I did crash sometimes while Alt Tabbing to OBS but honestly it's Squad not OBS. Squad crash whenever it wants and alt tabbing doesn't help

[crude jolt]

Upgrade your rig to rtx 5090.
4090 is literally outdated for squad

Its funny how you people think a 4090 could run this game

[misty swift]

Its funny how you spread misinformation

[violet tendon]

Its not funny its sad 😂👍🏼

[crude jolt]

If that makes you sleep ye sure bud

Keep believing the funny lie that an rtx 4090 can run squad

[violet tendon]

I tried to mitigate the problem by capping the fps to like 100 so it doesn’t go all to high and i turned off shadow play

Also i tried to capture it w my phone so u guys get an idea

Im standing in the open here not mutch going on

No programs are running in the background

And it doesn’t matter where i cap the fps it behaves the same

I mean come on what is this

Honestly Im at a loss of words i don’t know what to do i tried all the guides and settings deleted drivers and downloaded them anew. Nothing helps no matter if on high or low settings. I play a lot of other stuff on my pc and no other game has this kind of issue so i don’t think my parts are flawed. Animated background is also off. Core isolation on or off doesn’t matter. Xbox game thing is deleted from my pc. Nvidia cache is emptied multiple times and so was squads cache. Game deleted and dowloaded again. And so on

L

If anyone on gods green earth has had the same problem and found a solution please help

[crude jolt]

What exactly is the problem youre facing

Youre getting solid 100 fps

[crude jolt]

(Good cpu being a ryzen 9 7th gen)

[violet tendon]

Every line that you see going up is a stutter. Now this happens over and over as u can see. U may not see it over the phone or when i would record but whilst playing its really annoying its hitching.

I could also cap it at 60 it doesn’t matter still hapens

If the line is flat u have a smooth stutter free experience

[rich ermine]

rtx 6090 is the recommended for 2k 30 fps (joke)

even if i get 1 fps its still playable if i dont move my camera on 12k ultr

epic*

[rotund echo]

@violet tendon
What is your VRAM setting, how much VRAM does the game eats and did you install it on an SSD ?

Also, big oof mate

Oh nvm the game is eating 13 GB of VRAM which is probably enought to hold the whole map and somehow you still stutter anyway

Yea good luck bro

Perhaps the rumored optimisation patch coming anywhere from in 6 month to never may save you

[misty wind]

I hope they will use the public testing version of the game so they see if any optimizations have any impact.

[violet tendon]

Its on an SSD 😢

If nothing helps imma have to take the L and move on to another game that works properly

I clocked in 600 h would be a shame if i had to give it up

[rotund echo]

I gave up at 2k hours

Just find yourself a better game honestly. Squad isn't worth nor your patience nor your rig that it can't even properly use

If Squad was the same as it was 2 years ago I would still be playing it but for some reason no one knows devs love to make their game worse

[topaz blaze]

U have a bad time when you're an intel user and a Squad player

[violet tendon]

Not mutch different as a AMD ryzen user either

[topaz blaze]

nah that 3d cache of the x3d's pays off

[violet tendon]

Watch the video i sent

Above

[topaz blaze]

that's a different problem I am sure

[violet tendon]

Dunno i only get this in squad and i play a lot of other games on my pc

[topaz blaze]

Squad is so poorly optimized, it's normal

That's a highend pc at the moment, 4090 and 7800x3d

[violet tendon]

That
S why i said its not mutch different in squad as a ryzen user xD

Yes i know and i have more than enough ram

[topaz blaze]

for now anyway

once they optimize it

[violet tendon]

If

[topaz blaze]

in 2 years mby

😄

[violet tendon]

🤣👍🏼

Squad must have. A lot of Spagetti code

[topaz blaze]

probably

mby it's the 4090 aswell that makes problems in squad

squad had a lot of troubles with 4090 users

[violet tendon]

Well people with lesser strong graphics cards seem to have lesser issues than i do lol

[topaz blaze]

Squad is probably not made yet for so high end hardware

[violet tendon]

Only owi knows

[misty swift]

Did you try DX11?

[violet tendon]

Yes i tried it out i think the micro stutters are less frequent with dx11 but i loose 15-20fps whilest looking trough a scope 😂

[violet tendon]

imma see what the so called optimization update brings

[topaz blaze]

optimization is owi's most hated word in 2024

[rotund echo]

Along with ICO probably

[steady badge]

how are people with top of the line cards complaining. I get solid 55-60fps 1440p on 6700xt and i5 10600 after 5 mins of fiddling with graphic settings

[mystic kindle]

Because gpu doesn't really matter

[violet tendon]

Because its not consistent it stutters?!

Imagine getting 240 fps but also a stutter fest is it better than lets say 60 without stutter? I dont think so

[misty swift]

And then you complain about loosing 20 FPS with DX11 lol

[rotund echo]

Because DX11 make him loose 20 fps on top of not fixing the stutter problem

If some ppl stop malding about the fact someone had 2 grands to put into a GPU, maybe they will understand that it's not tolerable to have that kind of issues with the best rig money can offer today.
Specialy since, and some ppl also seems to forget that, Gama clearly said he can play any game on the planet just fine, except Squad which stutters a lot

.
I stopped Squad because the devs just can't stop making dumb design choices regarding gameplay, making everything they touch more random or just not fun to play (ICO, ATGM rework, spray on MBT guns). Bugs and technical issues were just an annoyance because I didn't have have stutters or crazy dips. I do have an inhuman amounts of crashs but I could also forgive that thanks to the gameplay.
After keeping on ruining the gameplay, the only thing left are the bugs. They were always there, but now nothing can make me forget them.

If devs understood their priorities correctly, instead of repairing perfectly fonctionnal aspect of the game, (aforementionned changes) and instead invested their time on what actualy matters, namely the fuckton of bugs and overrall poor performance, the game, even with arguably less content (who would miss the turks lmao) would be in a far better spot right now

Like, imagine investing that much time into making the ICO, only to have half your community play on servers that use mods that either revert ICO or drasticaly change it.

What an incredible waste of effort

Imagine if the time invested into that controversial change was instead invested on something no one can say is a bad thing, optimization and bug fixing

[violet tendon]

I 100% agree

I have more than the minimum to run the game. And squad for me is at this state, a flawed product that was working for me, but they patched it into a state where they damaged it.

But considering the policy i dont really own the game 😂👍🏼

[misty swift]

So he has 220 FPS. Where is the issue?

[rotund echo]

Stutter

As he said since the start

You can reread if you missed that. It was the main point

[misty swift]

No he that DX11 reduced stutter.

You can reread if you missed that.

[rotund echo]

He said less frequent

Not fixed

At the end of the day, whatever the API used, a 4090 can't deliver a stutter free experience in Squad

While, again, it can in literaly any other game

[misty swift]

Which is a questionable assesment since the game runs perfectly fine for me, and I dont have a 4090

[rotund echo]

You can question what you want. The dude literaly posted a video in which graphs showed huge spikes in frametime

I don't know what else you need

[violet tendon]

I dont have 220 fps my guy read again properly please

[rotund echo]

That also

[violet tendon]

I have around 105-120 but i capped it at the stable 100

[rotund echo]

Would be cool if Squad could actualy run at thoses framerates but the only instance it actualy achieves that is Jensen's Range on a solo server

[violet tendon]

But this 100 fps are stuttering without reason no matter if i cap it at 60/80/100

Its always there

And no matter what quality settings

[rotund echo]

Big yikes to cap a game at 60 fps on a 4090 btw

[violet tendon]

Yes

Drivers are up to date

No program is running in the background

Game is on an ssd

[rotund echo]

You're on 4k or 1440p ?

[violet tendon]

Xbox game bar is deleted completely

4k

Dynamic wallpaper is off

Nvidia cache and squad cache are emptied

[rotund echo]

I personnaly don't experience such stutters at 1440p.

You could probably try to run the game at 1440p to see if 4k is the problem

[violet tendon]

Ill try

[violet tendon]

Do you have riva tuner running and a stable line at the frame paising

U notice no hitching or stuttering whilest playing on a server ?

[rotund echo]

That guy plays at 60 fps. Probably less knowing Squad can have frame dips.

Unless he runs riva i don't think he can notice the stutters that much

[violet tendon]

Hmm maybe yes

I spent countless hours searching for a fix

[rotund echo]

But did you try DX11 / 12 / 13 / 9 / Vulkan ?

If you didn't verify your game files 4 times, your drivers 2 times, reinstalled the game 3 times and wiped cache 5 times, you can't say you tryed mate.

That's what I feel whenever i asked for technical issues

As if playing a game was supposed to be a job of bug fixing

That's also the kind of answer I had when I said i could experience 5 crashs per evening on unlucky days

Always the same answers, repeated like mantra chants, indefinitly, in the vague hope checking the same thing for the 5th time might make a difference

[misty swift]

Now you can also speak for me, okay.

[misty swift]

With Dx12 i notice the stutters, with Dx11 not.

[rotund echo]

Feel free correct me and post a graph similar to what Gama did

Don't worry, there is no shame in 60 fps gaming

My 7900 XTX sometimes drop as low as 80

Squad's just bad on this aspect

And some map are worse than others

[worn bay]

I think the production team should let me see your optimization progress and let us know where your problems are. So many players and mod makers will surely understand you and solve the problems with you. When a game production team cares enough about the players' needs, they will definitely reveal some of the progress and difficulties to the players, rather than being the initiator who solves the problem every time the player raises a question. I hope this game can be optimized as soon as possible. Every time I play, there are errors and freezes, as well as sound bugs, which slowly make me lose the passion to continue playing this game.

[violet tendon]

Yes it is frustrating and deeply concerning

L in chatt

[worn bay]

I am a Chinese player. I remember that when I first played this game, I didn't sleep for a day and a night. It was 2019 (I don't remember clearly). The grand battlefield made me obsessed. For this reason, I kept learning various skills, from a newbie who knew nothing to a 1290H game. The game was constantly updated from 5.0 to 8.0. From full of enthusiasm to now indifferent, now every time I turn on the computer, I have to think about whether to open the game of Tactical Squad, because as soon as I turn it on, the computer reports errors, map bugs, asset bugs, sound bugs, flashbacks, low image quality (2k monitor, anti-aliasing is high, textures are high, image quality is very poor), FPS becomes low, I really don't understand what the production team is doing? Or is optimization not very important? A few years have passed, and I have only seen the production team make this game more like a real battlefield sandbox game (I can understand that you want to be more practical, such as ICO), but as a player, a good game is the experience and the repair of various bugs. I can understand that new content is slow, but what I can't tolerate is that some bugs have existed for several years without being repaired.

How long has the sound bug existed? From time to time, there are strange gunshots and cannon fire around me, but no one is seen.

I may be kicked out of this server and my comments may be deleted, but I still want to say that Squad is a good game and I hope to see that the production team is really paying attention to the players' opinions (although some of them are unreasonable). If I am really kicked out, I will permanently uninstall this game because the disappointment is far greater than the hope.

[violet tendon]

I dont see why you would be kicked

[rotund echo]

A chinese player fear of beeing kicked after voicing a negative opinion on a game owned by Tencent ?

Don't want to be mean but there are easy jokes to make about that

[latent shoal]

The game is not owned by Tencent, they have a minority share & a single person on the board of directors. OWI is the primary decision maker in everything OWI and Squad related.

[solid cargo]

This is what Tencent wants you to think 👀

[misty swift]

Or how about you dont speak for others, making made up claims in their name in the first place? This is neither helpful or respectful towards those persons.

[rotund echo]

I mean yea but you could also properly read what ppl post instead of saying something is "questionnable" when it is backed up by a video and metrics. It is equaly as disrespectfull mate

Beetwin some random who says random, barely helpfull stuff and deem a backed claim "questionnable" and the guy who actualy provides meaningfull input, it should be pretty obvious who I would lean towards

Let me remind you that the things you said before starting to get visibly annoyed were :

"Did you try DX11?"

"And then you complain about loosing 20 FPS with DX11 lol"

"So he has 220 FPS. Where is the issue?"

And the last sentence was plain wrong, as Gama said, and as the video shown. Because not only does he not have 220 fps but you phrase it as if he doesn't have an issue to begin with, when he started the conversation with something like "pls guys help me fix stutter"

My guess is that my previous rant about useless answers was quite close to home

TLDR : I wouldn't have been purposefully provocative if you weren't annoying, and if you paid the respect you now want for yourself

[misty swift]

One user is no evidence that systems with 4090s and 7800x3d cannot run Squad, it is just evidence that this user has issues with HIS system.

And since people with similar or worse systems can run the game without stutters, yes, your assessment is "questionable".

[rotund echo]

If you took "4090 can't run Squad" unrironicaly, I'm afraid I can't help

The assessment was that he had stutters. Nothing more, nothing less

[misty swift]

"At the end of the day, whatever the API used, a 4090 can't deliver a stutter free experience in Squad"

Thats what you said, if you mean things like this ironically you should probably communicate this more clearly. Because this statement is simply wrong.

[rotund echo]

I mean that do sound like a joke to me. As if the beefyest card that exist can't properly run a game.

Fair enought in that understanding irony on text from a random on internet can be confusing tho. Understandable. I have thoses troubles sometimes too.

What is true tho is that :

"At the end of the day, whatever the API used, HIS 4090 can't deliver a stutter free experience in Squad"

[worn bay]

What I am worried about is that instead of solving the problem, we will solve the person who raised the problem.

[violet tendon]

If u scroll up to the videos i sent have u guys ever seen something like this. Is it known?

[violet tendon]

.

[rotund echo]

Pro discord tips : dont use the respond feature to ping someone for something unrelated. Instead, use a classic ping alongside a link.

#1230645447270465657 message

[violet tendon]

At the end of the day I can‘t replicate this issue im having in squad with any other game I play, on my pc. So that means to me that my parts are perfectly healthy and it must be something inside squad thats causing this unspeakable instability in fps. If i cap any game at a stable fps the line remains flat. If i do the same in squad u can CLEARLY see and feel the hitching. I have more than enough power to run this game. I even went out of my way to try to tweak my system so it may solve the problem but it didnt. So hours of trying to find a fix on my end, wasted.

[vague mulch]

Would be nice to see just any effort to optimize in upcoming patch. Something even small would be sufficient in order to rise up the morale.

Eg no significant frame drop after opening a map would be just awesome in context of upcoming update.

[solid cargo]

Just set peoples FPS to FPS + 50 like cs go dev did. Didnt solve anything, but morale boosted.

[vague mulch]

I don’t say this particular optimization is easy to achieve, just any low hanging fruit would be nice

[solid cargo]

Yeah i know. Its just to send the message that "we are trying".

I dont wanna ruin your hope, but they already stated that the optimization pack will be the one AFTER this next.

[topaz blaze]

what was that 6 gb update squad jst had

[solid cargo]

I didnt get anything. Are you sure it isnt from a mod?

[topaz blaze]

hm might be

[vague mulch]

modders are already recooking mods for new sdk, it might be due that

in modding hub there is already annoucment of a new version (without details - just there is new version of SDK)

[topaz blaze]

appearently squad has spaghetti code and is not as easy, it's gonna take a loooong time until it's fixed ..

[solid cargo]

I know, but i wasnt talking about bad coding or anything like that. I just related to this joke here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpTBYiUSidA

Like, just make a placebo effect to boost fps numbers and everyone will be happy.

[rotund echo]

Nice ref
But there is no way placebo can make ppl believe that they have 80 fps when they have 30. Contrary to ping where that may work

[tiny plank]

In CSGO's case it was like 300 fps vs 350 fps.

Either way, Squad has serious cache misses causing stuttering

[rotund echo]

Na in CS case it was about ping not fps

[timber widget]

i would really like being able to disable render of world around me when using scores
rendering pip scopes eats a lot of gpu powers, being able to switch to render only scope image with eveything around being black or static texture would be super cool

[thorn lion]

So kinda crazy how FPS got worse this update, right?

https://tenor.com/view/oh-ok-gif-7562907362786808474

[rich ermine]

got better for me

just a little bit

[topaz blaze]

its same for me

[earnest ingot]

Move the server stats back up top please, it strains the eyes going back and forth up and down the screen to know the health of a server as an admin and player. Plus it keeps everything localized at the top so its easier to read and use the new after report functions like the Summary, Scoreboard, etc

this is a picture as an example that would improve the QOL

[hexed venture]

Playing on several maps today with a 24/7 WPMC rotation (I actually saw some of you OWI guys there, good playing with you! ;) ) and performance has taken an extremely noticeable hit across the board in all the rounds I played as of the new update.

I am getting on average AT LEAST 20 fps lower than I did before this update, with frame drops that are more frequent and drop to lower frames than before. Previously I would get 80-100 frames, depending on activity in game, with occasional drops to 40 during heavy load. Now I am getting 40-60 frames, with occasional dips into the 20s, even actually freezing completely on a couple occasions.

I have already cleared the cache, and reset all my settings as they were before. Not sure what could be causing it, or if it could be the PMC faction specifically maybe (I did not get the chance to test on a normal server today, so every round did have PMC in it).

Specs:
Win 10
AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080
32GB RAM
Game is installed on a Gen 3 M.2 NVME SSD
3440x1440p 21:9 Ultrawide monitor

Let me know if there is anything else I could provide that might be of use.

[merry yoke]

Optimize server side as well as client side ? Last time i was an admin it was reallly hard/expensive to find a machine that would get consistent 30TPS ...

[crimson valley]

whats better config in your opinion:

1. RX 7800 XT | i5 13600k
   or
2. ryzen 7800x3d + 4070 super

for 1440p

[rotund echo]

• Not the right place to ask
• Probably option 2
• Wait for 9800X3D, apparently it will be announced soon

Also check benchmarks. Last time i checked 6800 XT and 7800 XT were virtualy identical

[heavy parcel]

Now the update is out.

You going to actually optimize the game? Or you gonna postpone it yet again and put a blind eye to the entire playerbase?

[latent shoal]

As has been said multiple times, next major patch is a major optimization focused patch. There's a lot that has and is still being worked on for this next patch.

[heavy parcel]

Yeah, it has been said, yes. (months ago) I get that I'm just re-pointing it out as 99.98% of the playerbase is going absolute 'bonkers' for the game to be optimized.

Is a public development roadmap planned for community transparency, etc.?

[azure bronze]

There’s been roadmaps in the past but doubt we’re going to get any new ones

Q&As are the best way to get an idea of what’s upcoming

[thorn lion]

The last Q&A was an 1h 30mins of “that doesn’t follow our pillars of development” “that’s not priority” and then saying “Man pads and CAS” at the end

[azure bronze]

Well on stream and the text based ones they collect questions for. Might not be what you want to hear but it still gives glimpses of what they’re working on in the future.

[violet tendon]

We are thirsty for it af

[thorn lion]

What else did the they announce, the aar and that’s it?

[azure bronze]

https://www.joinsquad.com/updates/squad-developer-q-a---march-2024 posted in July: small team looking into UE5, in contact with modders for new content/improving content, better onboarding for new players & better tutorials, potentially thermals for vehicles, commander rework

We did get a teaser for an Al basrah rework too

[rich ermine]

another rework instead of optimization w's in the chats

[azure bronze]

https://x.com/JoinSquad/status/1819010200134668571

Squad (@JoinSquad) on X

Poll results are in, and we appreciate your input. We heard you, and we're on it.

Here's the plan:

1⃣ September: Substantial new content update
2⃣ Following months: Focused efforts on optimization and bug fixes
📝More frequent dev blogs
🔄Regular progress updates

#SQUAD

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 2:00 PM

[hollow kayak]

Better get dem bug fixes out fast, armor is almost unplayable

[vital radish]

Fix your stutters. Optimization went back to Alpha stage with this update. Never had so many frame hitches. Its impossible to use vehicles in this state.
Start listening to your community instead of trying to get money from new players. They wont buy when their "recommended" specs have more stutters than frames.

[hushed cove]

to actually optimize sooner rather than later

[austere tree]

They wont buy
Haha

[marsh isle]

alr, I fix it and up my fps on not so full server, 30 fps to 45-60 fps. I cleaned my laptop.

but it still not stable 60 fps but I can play "comfortable".

[heavy parcel]

That's what we saying no transparency, yes, they do give hints and small things about changes and stuff. But that's nothing, we need like more sneak peaks and stuff. Not just a random poll that doesn't mean it's being worked on.

99.98% of the playerbase is screaming for optimization, yeah, they teased it and said 'priority' I don't see any priority or discuss about this, etc.

As I said on X, I run the game just fine, I don't care less if it's optimized or not, I'm always 80+ FPS BUT I'm saiyng this for the community members that do not have such specs and or the money to be able to afford it.

[violet tendon]

Thats all we got

[heavy parcel]

No way, a poll.

That proves absolutely nothing.

[violet tendon]

True

[violet tendon]

Wana see something funny

[heavy parcel]

I'm sorry, I love Offworld & Squad.
But communication with the community that makes your game what it is. Is absolute dwater.
I only want the best for the game - but we would be going on your side but there's nothing to defend when you've promised this months ago.

[violet tendon]

Fist of all my specs

Second of all hot the game runs

[heavy parcel]

Same GPU gang. 💪

[violet tendon]

On the line each line that goes up is a stutter

[heavy parcel]

Ik.

[violet tendon]

Only in squad no other game stutters like this

[heavy parcel]

Yeah, because they are not taking it seriously.

And when we try to get our voices heard they tell us "it's being worked on".
Well then show us, also your not a Developer why you responding. 😅

[violet tendon]

Im invested in this being talked about so it gets fixed bc i care about this game

[heavy parcel]

Same, but people think I'm just talking smack.

[violet tendon]

Nah

[heavy parcel]

No, I'm trying to get other peoples opinions and suggestions out.
It's called constructive criticism, I only want the best.
But the Developers are not communicating, not being transparent and not only that they don't deliver on promises.

[violet tendon]

Well see apparently the next update is a big optimization update

[topaz blaze]

In 2 years mby

[slow pendant]

@violet tendon frame time being slightly variable is pretty normal in most games although I haven't ever pinned my fps like that. I can't tell from your video, are you experiencing actual microstutters that you can feel even if the graph isn't there, or are you just disturbed by the frame time variance? I uploaded a video of my gameplay on 5800x3d & 3080 combo and while there is frame variance only when it jumps to like 20ms+ frame time momentarily do I actually feel it. Curious what your experience is

[tiny plank]

It depends highly on your RAM, some Windows settings, and some CPU settings. This game is mostly stuttering cause of Windows Defender, hyper-threading, and unoptimized RAM.

[hushed cove]

cmon a 4090 and 100 fps is bullshit

[rotund echo]

In 4k, capped at 100

But yea still pretty cringe

[tiny plank]

I have a 3050, 90 FPS average in most maps before this update, on 2K resolution, no upscaling, but low/medium settings.

[slow pendant]

Are you aware of any proper guides for the windows settings fixes (win 11). I know over the last few months I did a bunch of searching and tweaks to some deeper settings in windows and they definitely helped frame stability. But after I made the changes I didn't bother saving which steps or what websites I read it from. Could be helpful for others if you could share any info

[tiny plank]

Well look up, I already did. Disable hyper-threading, disable windows exploit protection settings for Squad specifically.

[violet tendon]

Yes i feel it. Every time the line has a hick up it has a stutter

I capped the fps at 100 because it never goes below it so to have a stable experience i tried capping it

[violet tendon]

I did a lot of tweaking to my windows 11 to maximize gaming performance

[bold pewter]

their is really bad stuttering in this game for sure

i also experience the same thing

[crude jolt]

The game is running on pure luck

Devs know absolutely nothing about opti

[bold pewter]

i7 9700k 32gb of ram and 3060ti 60-90 fps on low to medium settings 1440p

[bold pewter]

pmc rollouts for me drop my fps by 30 its actually crazy

[tame tapir]

Optimization will come out after vehicle overhaul, helicopter overhaul, emotes, 5 new factions, another emote pack, weapon skins, 2 new factions, and a hotfix.

[outer shadow]

dont forget three new factions

[worthy wedge]

guys devs said optimization will come after gta 6 we have to wait

[hushed cove]

right i had stable 60 now its 45

[bold pewter]

squad gonna be on the ps6 pro by the time optimization update releases

[frigid gale]

I know we get responses from the mods from time to time but I think it would be nice if someone of a higher rank would address these issues and give us an update about it, we know you guys have said you are going to be working on optimizating the game but we have seen no updates about it nor any timeline of a release for said optimization. Every time I have looked at this chat it is just filled with complaints and empty-less responses, you guys have said that every update there are attempts at fixing the FPS and the stutters but this is either ineffective or a lie as shown by the growing complaints. This issue has been happening for well over a year the amount of complaints are increasing and FPS is dropping with every update released. This thread has almost 3000 complaints and issues with this games lack of optimization, people are frustrated and so they should be, a game they paid for and their complaints have more or less been blanked or replied with a useless excuse for the performance of the game.

So with that being said, what have you done to fix the issues and is there an idea of when this said optimization patch with be released?

[bold pewter]

this post was made 04/18/2024 by ceeg. have they done anything since then?

[frigid gale]

as far as I remember only something to stop stuttering but obviously the stutters are back

but this issue has been happening since last year

[violet tendon]

They fixed a stutter that occurred when a player joins the server

[rare creek]

optimize what?

[frigid gale]

https://tenor.com/view/josémourinho-big-trouble-if-i-speak-prefer-not-to-speak-interview-gif-16725048

[sage quail]

The driving is near impossible after this update. It is so laggy and unresponsive.

[bold pewter]

maps, vics, factions, weapons, and buildings

assets and grass

honestly even if its just one faction or map getting optimized a update it will better than what they are doing now

obviously easier said then done but slow progress is better than no progress

[topaz blaze]

*proceeds to announce new dlc's and factions

[rich ermine]

mwah

[slow pendant]

Have you disabled these two functions in W11? I definitely recall having stutters before I tried tweaking a bunch of settings and enabling resizable bar. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/options-to-optimize-gaming-performance-in-windows-11-a255f612-2949-4373-a566-ff6f3f474613

[violet tendon]

Memory integrity is off yes

The other one ill have to check

Also xbox game bar is deleted completely from my system

[slow pendant]

Yeah it's so bizarre because your setup is basically mine but one generation newer and aside from a second or so of hitching right after I spawn in, I don't have any micro stuttering. I wonder if there's something ue4 isn't liking on the 7000 x3d series or if it is a configuration on your rig issue

[violet tendon]

other games on my pc dont have this issue

[violet tendon]

VMP ia also already off

[sleek cove]

@void valve father, please save us.

[frigid gale]

fr

[violet tendon]

Amen

[steady badge]

I'm unable to link directly to the post, but I recommend checking out 'Default Settings Ruin the New Player Experience,' a new post I made under ⁠feedback-suggestions.

I actually wrote this post before coming across this channel, which has been eye-opening. As a Product Manager in my professional life, it's concerning to think about how something as simple as identifying trends in player settings and adjusting default settings accordingly could have such significant implications.

I want to add, this is from someone who has spent around $2,000 in upgrading my PC to specifically optimize for squad. The "tech debt" is referring to single threaded optimization of the cpu. 9/10 you are bottlenecked by your cpu. This is not a gpu issue. Squad runs on a single threaded core, so virtual cores + 3d adds nothing to performance.

[frigid gale]

So what CPU would you recommend

[rotund echo]

7800X3D

I also wish to say

If someone wants to specificaly build a PC to play Squad, to the point of going for a 14900KS with 8000mhz memory cause memory is what matters most (did read that somewhere)

I wish to say to this person that his priorities are dead wrong.

You don't build hardware around burning garbage like Squad, it makes no sens.

Whatever you have WILL be CPU bottlenecked

Cause it all runs on 2 theads

The only optimized way to play Squad is to pour 400 Watts into a 14900KS overclocked at 7 Ghz cooled with liquid nitrogen

Just forget about that and build a sensible PC instead

Squad will stop beeing a joke when devs sort it out

[quartz star]

45-30 fps at fallujah with a 3080 and r9 5900x

nice

[wraith compass]

so u even get slight stuttering? thats something i find with this game. There's not much talk about what things are like with top spec pc's

so what exactly will they have to do to better optimise this game? is it really tough task?

maybey they should do a crowdfund to gain investment on progressing the game, maybey squad 2? i bet people would buy into it because the game plays differently to most fps's. not many mill sim's out there. with a focus on optimising so even players with a gtx1070 and i7700k can play it (like me lol)

[steady badge]

Go to cpu benchmark dot net and look at their single threaded core benchmarks. I went from a 24 core down to a 8 core and gained performance I have the amd ryzen 7 9700x

[glass trellis]

Bring back Blame Vibez channel, would immensely optimize the squad discords communications, and vastly improve the community.

[glass trellis]

@dry stirrup

[steady badge]

same here, ryzen master game mode helped a ton

[austere tree]

And what exactly did u do?

Also has anyone fixed huge stutters in gunner's scopes?

[steady badge]

apply and restart pc and youre good to go

[austere tree]

Wow since I bought a new PC and set XMP (6000 MHz) in bios, it has been running at 4800mhz for some reason...

[frigid gale]

communication between OWI and the community is very poor, an issue that has been occurring over a year and all we get is communication from moderators.

Not just this though but feedback suggestions seems to get no recognition as does bug reports. I know there is live streams but not everybody is watching a livestream showing a Q&A where most questions aren't being asked.

[misty wind]

Does anyone else drop frames when miniguns are firing?

[frigid gale]

I haven't encountered any drops even when firing it myself, I know a few of my friends had a few drops but nothing major

[green fulcrum]

verify integrity of game files and reset cache

[tiny plank]

make sure ur subtimings are good, otherwise no point in increasing freq on RAM

[fervent thistle]

or just press ctrl+shift+esc and than go to Performance tab

[wraith compass]

game still not optimised then? jeez where is all the money going that people have paid for the game.

i can't play the game but i can play aaa games like apex legends and probably others. Surely the dev's r worried about players leaving cus there fedup with graphic issues due to optimisation.

[deep flint]

Optimization with ADS or being in a firefight would be wonderful

[ripe cedar]

I have huge fps drop when it fired

[austere tree]

Me too. But i set particles to cinematic.

[vital radish]

And you will. Each minigun shot creates a particle, and each particle then creates a new impact particle. And these always render full regardless of range. Enjoy no framerate. And they want to move to UE5, GG.

[novel willow]

I felt like I occasionally have just a bit of stutter anytime there’s an explosion but it’s not graphically? Like the first few shots or actions in a battle stutter then my pc catches up but Squad is the only game that does this it’s running in a i7 / 4070.

[violet tendon]

Same here 4090

[frigid gale]

so is there any update on optimization, when could we expect it?

[sweet beacon]

Less than 60 fps the entire game no matter what graphic settings im on😭

[violet tendon]

Crazy

[violet tendon]

Apparently after we get gta 6

[hushed cove]

right i put on ultra with max everything and it’s the same as low settings, if only our GPUs mattered in this game

you could play the whole game with a good cpu with integrated graphics

[sweet beacon]

fr. I dont understand why im getting it so low. My brother has the same build and gets 100 stable😭

[hushed cove]

i have a very mid range build 3060 and a ryzen 5 3600

i get like 48-57 fps during heavy firefights

[sweet beacon]

I have 3060, ryzen 5 5600x but get 45-56 the enitre game. Not even jst firefights

[hushed cove]

yeah unfortunately a lot of games like squad are cpu dependent so we’re cooked

[sweet beacon]

I mean my cpu is decent for cpu based games, but on squad it is ass

They need to optimize it badly

[hushed cove]

instead of saying that they will

[violet tendon]

I get a solid fps with my 4090 all high settings 90-144 fps but the stuttering and hitching is killing me

Oh yes also on 4k

[stoic robin]

In terms of inconsistent frametimes: This video helped me to stabilize the timings and performance in general. Might be worth a try (only apllicable on Windows).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh6hamdxlN0

For Linux the application 'Mangohud' can help to limit the frametimes.

[rotund echo]

MSI Afterburner and Riva are what any "enthusiast" worth anything already use.

Been a standard for a very long time

Also, fyi, The clip gamma posted is made with Riva Tuner and a frame cap set at 100

He still had stutters

[slow pendant]

Didn't you just say your brother has the same specs and gets 100 fps? That would indicate an issue on your machine configuration, not game optimization , unless I'm misunderstanding something of what you said?

[bold pewter]

d

depending on what they do in UE5 you actually would get the same fps more less with the game looking better

[wraith compass]

does anybody find this works for sqaud??

so what im geussing to see if that software works u leave fps uncapped in game and obviosuly v sync off and then apply settings through riva?

also is that software more aimed at offline game's?

[rotund echo]

The classic and should be standard setup is :

V Sync Off
Adaptive sync On (if you have one)
Riva cap a few frames below max monitor's hz

If you have a 120hz+ display, use a general ~118 fps cap and then use additionnal caps for each game if needed. Like 60 fps in some or others.

For special caps sometimes I don't care and use the ingame cap if there is one.

The reason the fps cap should be a few frames below the Hz is so the adaptive sync don't turn on and off all the time

Don't forget, whatever solution you end up using, ALWAYS use a frame cap, even if it's the taboo V Sync. Rendering more frames than your monitor can display is useless.

Only the most stupid of the CS GO diehards degenerates can unironicaly say that sending 500 fps on a 60 Hz monitor give a competitive edge thanks to the few miliseconds of input lag you gain. Disregarding the horrendous tearing that occurs and the waste of computing power.

The truth is, if you wannabe a competitive diehard, just buy a 360 Hz 1080p monitor. And even then you're supposed to cap the FPS.

If no frame cap at all is used, the system will just go full power all of the time, rendering as many frames as possible.

That's why in games it's been standard for a long time to have uncapped fps and V Sync On. So that the average Joe don't render more that he needs, even if he uses a subpar tech like V Sync

[vague mulch]

What I found to good for my 60hz display is 63fps frame cap done via RTSS, pretty smooth, and shutter free, if you set cap liek 2-3 fps above the refresh rate, you won't notice get the scanline issue

[rotund echo]

Most 60 hz don't have adaptive sync anyway

So yea maybe 63 fps cap work idk

Wouldn't recommand it tho

If you don't have adaptive sync nor V sync on a 60 hz the best would probably be to set the cap at 60

144hz are dirt cheap tho, unless the rig is low end I don't see a reason to buy a 60hz nowadays

[vague mulch]

i haven't mentioned bu also any type of vsync is off

just 63frames

[rotund echo]

Well if it was you would have 60 fps. The lowest cap takes priority

[stoic robin]

Why should it not work for Squad? 🙂 The frametime limiter instructs the GPU to not render more frames than necessary. Online or offline does not matter here because it's all happening local on your machine.

I ran RivaTuner with frametime limiter and the frametime graph was just smooth. There was no downside and the game experience was better in genral than without frametime limitation. Less framedrops and if drops occured the frametime stabilization went up way faster.
It will not prevent frame drops in Squad if the hardware can not keep up or there is just too much happening (effects, particles, etc.). Because of the 8.1 update it seems like there are new regions on certain maps in where frame drops happen even though nothing (visually) happens that can explain why. So RivaTuner might not be able to fix this. But in general it will improve the performance. At least it did for me.

Set RivaTuner Framerate Limit to the desired fps you want to maintain in Squad which should not be higher than the monitor refresh rate because of screen tearing. In game you turn off Vsync. Set MAX FPS (IN GAME) to the same as in RivaTuner. And then it's all set up.

Try it out yourself and see if it works. You will not break anything and if you are not happy with it you can uninstall it any time. Keep in mind that this is not a miracle cure and frame drops might still occur because of the nature of Squad. 😉

[violet tendon]

If you have a Nvidia graphics card you can also set a framerate limit in the Nvidia control panel. I noticed that if i limited fps via riva tuner in the elder scrolls online it started hitching every now and then. When i did it over the control panel and just monitored it with riva tuner it went away 👍🏼

[topaz blaze]

It's still impossible to get stable fps in Squad. If I set my max fps to 90, it will drop to 60-40 fps which doesn't make even sense

[violet tendon]

that is true

[burnt meadow]

Ryzen 7 5800X3D
3080 10G
32GB DDR4 3200
990pro

Never really throttles but I still get insane FPS drops and stuttering here and there. Squad is the only game I've had any noticable performance problems on. Most of the time I get 100+ fps but some maps literally jump between 50 and 90 depending on what I'm doing.

PS: If the only fix you guys can come up with is reverting the forced shadow changes, no thanks. Potato minimum settings made people even with ok specs have no choice but to run min settings to have the same advantage.

[austere tree]

Welcome to the club, buddy

[slow pendant]

I really wanna know what I've done differently than others that with almost identical specs that I play buttery smooth at generally over 100 fps regardless of the map. More and more when I see people with good specs saying optimization is needed,I'm feeling like the squad devs need to investigate the OS level interactions that seems to be affecting people's performance, especially with stutters or periodic big frame drops. 🤨

edit : i still think they should optimize the draw calls and overall cpu commitment per frame but it feels like there are bigger underlying issues than what would generally be considered under the banner of optimization

[frigid gale]

yea I dont think devs really give a fuck about this chat anymore

dont think they ever did in the first place

[violet tendon]

Welcome to the club

Have a seat

Make urself comfortable we might be here for a looong time

[wraith compass]

dosn't make u think people like..... where's all the money going from people buying this game

[austere tree]

I've been having problems with stutterers since august i think. Nothing changed in my system.

Or i just don't know

[summer venture]

Ryzen 7 5800X3D
1080ti 11G
32GB DDR 3200
welcome to the club, I average 75fps
changing the settings to a minecraft look alike from high with AA maxed out doesn't change the fps one bit. Also, please fix the random AA turning off between round, its annoying. Ironically I get sub 60fps on smaller maps like Mestia while for example Yeho and Fallujah run the average mentioned.
Tbh I just wished they focused on bug fixes and optimization but they don't seem to care, every update brings worse performance and somehow more bugs. It seems like QA's don't exist or they just push whatever out, blame it on spaghetti code and say its too difficult to fix something since that requires a rework of some other underlying complex problem that no one wants to deal with or whatever. Fix problems, buy assets from modders, maybe people would support you with your microtransactions, the ones that the community doesn't seem to care about much atm.

[violet tendon]

🤡 <-- us typing in this chatt

[latent shoal]

As previously said, next major patch is heavily focused on optimizations. Will be hearing things on things it entails, soon™️

[stoic robin]

Any sources on that?

[austere tree]

He knows the Guy...

[frigid gale]

man the least you can do is tell us a date, what has been improved or changed to fix the issue, remember this issue has been happening for over a year

its always next patch is focused on optimization

its never we plan on releasing it on this date, we have done this and changed this to increase performance

[vague mulch]

But why is there so much mystery around what is being reworked or optimized? If the work already started - what's the point of hiding everything from the players? Eg. let's say OWI is working on issue of opening the map tanking so much fps (eg. in sq44 it's smooth), why not share this info?

I personally afraid that there is not much optimization going on, and the whole mystery that is created is to increase the perceived value of things that doesn't have much value like 'reworking' maps by reducing culling values, so we'll get even more invisible walls. Hopefully I'm wrong, but hiding something usually is a bad sign - indicating that upcoming update won't meet expectations, I don't see any other reason for being so mysterious about such crucial thing, other than to hide something uncomfortable.

In the meantime, the sq44 announcement just dropped: #375730707080806400 message, and yeah, there is less mystery behind 'optimization' - it has been described at a little deeper, thus I could trust those words more that something is actually done.

[stoic robin]

I don't know but I get 'Trust me bro' vibes.

[latent shoal]

Supa sekret sauces. I think next patch being optimization focused, was mentioned in last official live stream. Other than that, my sources are from the team itself, though in internal channels which are under nda.

[latent shoal]

You must be new around here, I only state things that are factual, I don't dabble in trust me bro

Use google next time, instead of asking me.

[latent shoal]

Because everyone who is in the know how, is under NDA. Information has to be approved to be released publicly, things can't be freely talked about, until they're deemed to be ready, by the decision makers. I can say your assumptions are wrong though, very wrong 😉 Unfortunately you'll just have to wait for the green light for things to start being more openly talked about.

[stoic robin]

I don't have a Twitter account so thank you very much for sharing this! 👍

[latent shoal]

Np, you have been enlightened. You could probably find more info somewhere in here, a lot was covered in this stream.
https://www.twitch.tv/joinsquad/v/2194123480?sr=a&t=218s

[stoic robin]

Next time include the source if you state something as a fact so that everybody can be as knowledgeable as you. 🧙

[rotund echo]

So if im correct the poll shown 68,1 % of players said optimization should come first, and the WPCM update which tanked performance even more was released before optimisation anyway

If the WPCM was cooking for a long time and not releasing it would mean not making finished content available I understand that it was maybe better to release anyway, but in terms of timing and meaning it's not great

Also, it's kinda funny to cling onto NDA so hard when someone from OWI forgot about the Steam's TOS a while ago

[solid cargo]

Common man, you cant justify a mistake by another one. You are just being unreasonable.

But i agree with you that they knew performance was a community worry for a long time now.

They avoided the topic for a while, at least since their Q&A when they had a blind eye for all questions about performance.

But i also understand that performance improvements can be tricky. Squeezing extra frames when your software is already somewhat optimized can be hard.
Lets hope they can make this happen or even revert some of the heaviest graphic decisions made back then.

[vague mulch]

Not approving something to be talked about is equivalent of not wanting to talk about something - and I'm pretty sure there is a reason behind it. Hopefully the reason is not something that I assumed in previous message, but I'm basing my opinion on what I know and what I'm let to know, so again - keeping things a mystery leads to this kind of assumptions. Tell me the reasons for keeping it like that or tell me what is being worked on, and I will change my assumptions, as I get hard time trying to trust people who lied previously (eg. on the matter of pip and performance), and I can't trust words anymore. Please don't feel offended, but just understand that we both may have views that may differ just because they're based on different set of information. I would really like to be more optimistic, but due to this 'optimization top secret mystery' I just can't. There is a chance if I (and maybe others) would know the same things that you know, they might be also more optimistic, and have the same opinion, but it's not the case here, so don't be surprised that people don't share your view Dubs - they don't have the same info as you do (assuming you're honest). Simple as that.

In addition, what bugs me - if the optimization is something feasible, it would be natural thing to do in the first place in order to rise the sales, as more players would be able to run the game. Instead we get content, that I'd say doesn't provide as much rise in sales as optimization would do. It's not my product, do whatever with it, I don't have to care, but I'm just concerned what is being actually done and what is said here by "owi representatives".

btw I run the game in 63fps at most and don't really get much from the optimization, however I'd like just to have cooler cpu

[crimson valley]

just buy 5000$ pc for 25$ game and stop complaining guys

[vague mulch]

show me 65W CPU that would run the game in 90fps, I would buy it

[crimson valley]

there are worse problem for world. for example today i disovered im gay after 200 hours in squad

[vague mulch]

where problem?

[floral mango]

TLDR

[misty swift]

Any Ryzen X3D does that.

[rich ermine]

well mosty of em cost over 100

[steady badge]

Ryzen 7600x
32gb ram 6000mhz
4060 rtx 8gb

Game runs fine, but it gets "funky" when theres alot going on, even with the hardware I got.

[cosmic flicker]

all of them

if you have a competent GPU

[latent shoal]

Unfortunately I can't always share my exact source, due to it being apart of conversations in back channels bound under NDA, even if said info is publicly confirmed. Can't share screenshots of conversations within these back channels, as it's in breach of NDA. I'm not going to annoy Ceeg to seek approval to post a snippet of a conversation, when there is a public source out there, which I don't sometimes know exactly where it was confirmed publicly, just know it was - Like this specific case. But a quick search found one of them.

I only ever state things that are 100% confirmed, unless I specifically state it's not or my own opinion.

[latent shoal]

There's no real major negative reason to why things are not being shown or talked about yet, just that it's a multi-layered kind of deal and parts of the optimization efforts are linked to much bigger things that are not ready to be talked about, just yet. I know Ceeg has things planned out to reveal & discuss specific things, just a matter of when he gets the green light to start posting about it.

I myself can't exactly say specifics of what I know, unless I want to be locked to a ball & chain in some dark basement. All I can do is be reassuring, but in a vague way, because that's what I'm limited to do.

[frigid gale]

do we at least have a timeframe of when we could expect this update?

[sleek cove]

It's been a couple weeks since the hired guns update, I think we should get some insight on the next update/project...

<@&323882928541270017> @void valve

[summer venture]

It doesn't

[vague mulch]

there is no x3d ryzen below 105W TDP

im stuck with 5600x and waiting wor something with same TDP

[azure bronze]

7600X3D is 65w

just not sold everywhere

[violet tendon]

U guys think ull be stutter free with a nasa pc 🤡

There is no escaping the fps dips

Ive been there

[vague mulch]

yea ;/

[topaz blaze]

Damn bro I got jealous

[topaz blaze]

can we tauschen? 😂

[violet tendon]

Nah other games work just fine 😂👍🏼

[burnt meadow]

The only logical reason I can think of as to why a simple optimisation update comes with so much mystery is It’s going to co-incide with a Squad Console announcement and we will all be forced to cross-play with console people. Why else would the be quiet about it.

[violet tendon]

Maybe the game has deeper rooted issues that are not 100% sure what the issue is and thus cant make a solid statement at this point

[burnt meadow]

I've been playing since A8 and Squad has always had optimiation problems. It was always kicked down the road to deal with in the future.
I'd be genuinely surprised if they can make a big difference

[austere tree]

can not be...

[frigid gale]

what is this

[topaz blaze]

This has to be the spaghetti coding in Squad the people told us lmao

[misty swift]

Who cares about max. power? My 7900x3d draws 60 watt during gaming.

[sleek cove]

Somewhere wayyy earlier in this thread that photo was posted with an explanation though. I'm not a coder, so I don't know what's going on there lol.

[vital radish]

haha

[sleek zenith]

thats not normal tho lol

[sleek cove]

On today's episode of that's fugged up. That's fugged up.

[frigid gale]

guys we got optimization!

for the m134 minigun gun

😔

[topaz blaze]

ffs I got happy for a sec

The thing is, is OWI not testing their game after making a new patch? I mean the grenade bug is such an obvious bug, which should've been noticed when testing the game before releasing the patch ..

[odd thistle]

I5 10th gen
1650
16gb ram (i dont think its even dual channel)
40-50 fps which i would say is pretty good for my laptop :D

Black coast in unplayable tho

[crimson valley]

if anyone cares 7800x3d + 4070 super solved my fps problems but yea still sometimes some stutters still happens

im going to check on my laptop which i was playing before i bought pc if anything changed in fps

[austere tree]

It's so over...

[vague mulch]

there also others, reported many times and easy to fix (eg. ironsight ak12 handling), however haven't been even touched for a long time

the way how such things are somehow omitted leads to conclusion that actually nobody cares about fixing the obvious bugs, but customers are 'assured' that it's other way - no, it's impossible to trust words after so many lies

[topaz blaze]

That's what I'm saying. Always these small obvious bugs, that happen to stay in the game for soo long, like the sound bugs or getting stuck in the trees. It makes me feel like OWI doesn't check for bugs before releasing patches ...

[vague mulch]

or just people who could fix them, don't work there anymore

[topaz blaze]

Then you gotta find new people or just do it yourself, you can't just leave it in the game and hope that the community doesn't care. They released so many dlc's, with emotes and weapon skins. Where do these go?

The only good thing I heard they are doing is reworking on old maps, in this case with Al Basrah, this was needed, most of the maps are still the same for years, I'd love reworks on Narva aswell and optimization of course

[violet tendon]

We’ll have to wait for the next update and see

There is nothing we can do

[topaz blaze]

Next update, according to the OWI team on Instagram, should be about optimizing the game.

[junior laurel]

where's the post?

[topaz blaze]

This was before the PMC release

[next ember]

At some points in the Fallujah map, main road for example, near Mosque, when I look forward my fps drops immediately. Habs are the same, inside them I have a massive drop. I play with all settings in low, just the dynamic render that I play in high configuration. (Ryzen 3200G, RTX 570, 16 ram 2400hz).

[signal fulcrum]

i mean your pc kinda weak

[winged crypt]

I need Squad

[next ember]

It is but I don't think this is all his fault.

[bold pewter]

well whoever wrote it did say after the next update

[topaz blaze]

Yes, so it should be main priority now

[bold pewter]

yup exactly

[topaz blaze]

So in 2 years

[bold pewter]

shit i should of read further above

lol

didnt realize you were responding to someone

[topaz blaze]

🤓

[wraith compass]

i hope they sort it... the graphics are not even that detailed.... i recon i should be able to play this game with a gtx1070 and i7700k but... it don't and i can play other fps multiplayer games alot better. Optimisation should be there number one priority not F**k*n adding new vehicles and that.. especially when people with top spec pc's that can play online games at 2k fine, have stuttering and that in this game... i really want them to sort it because this mill sim concept is decent. again i say where's all the money going from people buying this game... also there spec recommendation does not matchup to what u actually need to play this game decently

[latent shoal]

You have to realize that most performance issues are not tied to Squads graphics and a persons GPU(Unless you're on a very very old GPU with <4GB VRAM). It's mostly CPU(and is for most games in this day n age) due to the more complex systems, larger player counts, more object density(draw calls) etc That pushes CPU's to their limits.

A 1070 is fine for Squad, if you're playing 1080p and mixed settings. A 970 is enough to play on low settings, we have a resident poopy GPU player @feral socket that does. The issue for Squad is the CPU, it has too much to process and that causes a bottleneck, and thus performance issues. Optimizations have been a focus, well before it was publicly announced that it was going to be a main focus after the WPMC update(if you search this channel, you'd see that it has been mentioned on and off for many months before). The foundational elements have been laid down so full resources can be put on the huge optimization focus.

Another thing, if you're using Shadow play on GeForce experience, stop. It has issues with it's overlay that causes major performance issues and stutters with Squad(and many other games). If you want to use Shadow play, download the new Nvidia App with it, it's fixed and has new overlay. Those with very high spec PC's, this could be apart of their issue.

[rotund echo]

I hope you can sort out this CPU issue.

First, because it is factualy wrong, as far as I know, that CPU is the main issue instead of GPU for most games. It's just not true unless you are Squad and try to have 100 players on the same map or if you are a strategy or automation game with thousands of entities (Factorio, Ashes of Singularity).

Most games struggle with GPU power because there are fewer entities and players but they are more detailed.

Another thing on CPU, and that's the big problem Squad has, is that the issue isn't that the player's CPU's are too weak, the problem is that the game just don't utilise the ressources that the CPU can offer due to a lack of multithreading.

A long time ago, Intel could tell lies like CPU power will scale on frequency and not core counts, but reality is the exact opposite. Frequency has hit its hard limit and the scalable part of a CPU is its number of cores.

But multithreading is a either impossible or incredibly difficult, so good luck I guess

[frigid gale]

I just want to know if we have an expected date for this optimization

[azure bronze]

If you compare against other multiplayer shooters, as long as you’re not cranking up your graphics, you will likely be hitting a CPU limit. Ideally though, you want to have enough frames before you hit that limit that you don’t mind losing some FPS to make graphics look better.

I know that since OWI got a new team that has been working Starship Troopers they’ve picked up some great people who can help out on the optimisation side.

[misty wind]

I've heard that Starship Troopers launched with poor performance

[violet tendon]

Well it did i played it

U can also watch a video from slorgs where it shows it

[rotund echo]

And got completly stomped by Helldivers 2

I remember the 30 fps experience during release too

Didn't want to be the one to poor salt on the wound tho

[azure bronze]

The early access release or the 1.0 release? The update before 1.0, performance was decent but I think some of the new stuff with 1.0 brought it down a bit.

Other than killing bugs helldivers 2 is quite a different game

[violet tendon]

Helldivers and starship troopers are two different games this is true

[magic elbow]

But helldivers is better

[rotund echo]

They are different enought to not be considered direct rivals but helldivers has better performance technicaly and far better steam charts

[rotund echo]

It was a long time ago so probably the first time Starship Trooper Extermination became available.

I tryed it and I remember the game beeing bad at the time. FPS beetwin 20 and 30 and boring gunplay. The kind of game you play less than 2 hours to stay within Steam refund window

[rich ermine]

looks like my rx 6500xt and ryzen 5 5500 didnt get the memo (17 fps on all low) i just want to play this game😭

[rich ermine]

my cpu is also overclocked😤😤🙏🙏

[topaz blaze]

I undervolted both my cpu and gpu. They both perform the same as overclocked but with far more less heat. I can play Squad with under 70-75C° on my cpu and gpu. Pc is quiet as hell like this

[rough summit]

I have a 3060 RTX with a i7-10700k AND 32GB dual channel RAM. How am I getting 40-60 fps?

Mind you; That is on the lowest settings and the game is not smooth at all. Is there anything I can do? Will the game get optimized?

[crisp geyser]

I had a 2070 and 10600k. Sat around the same fps. Upgraded to 7900xtx and 7800x3d and not usually am between 90-150 but sometimes in crazy arty or lots of vwehicles ill even drop to low 60s but very very very rare will I see below 60fps

[rough summit]

So what you're talling me is that I need to upgrade my CPU AND GPU?

[rotund echo]

Yes

[rough summit]

What is a good CPU & GPU then?

that will be good for the next couple years.

[crude jolt]

Buy and use lossless scaling
Itll double your fps

[crude jolt]

A r9 x3d and a 4090 ti

[crude jolt]

Dont listen to the guy he knows nothing

2070 is a decent gpu

[crude jolt]

You dont really need to upgrade your rig and spend hundreds of usd just because you want to play squad
I have a mobile 3050 4gb and a r5 6600h
And im getting over 100 fps (70-80 at least, while having 15-20 ppl around during an intense gunfight and heavy artillery fire) with lossless scaling

Also idk how this is possible but changing the graphics preset will have near 0 effect on your fps

And using upscaling methods do nothing but fuck up your sights (give blurry vision to them for some reason)

You got to either use a program like lossless scaling (available on steam for 7 usd) or upgrade your rig for a couple hundreds of usds

And if you are capable of doing super basic maths you see the better option

If your game uses a lot of vram tho

Dont get into such stuff

Because itll overuse your vram

I changed my in game settings to use cpu more compared to gpu so the app doesnt kill my gpu

Dont ask me the exact settings cuz i dont remember

But ye solution is pretty much this

• dont expect an optimization patch

Its just a wet dream

[bold pewter]

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core 100-100000910WOF this and a 3070ti will do you just right

if you got money like that get a 4090ti

dont spend 300 more dollars on a Ryzen 9 for 2 or 3 more fps

use pc part picker to see if the cpu is compatible with your motherboard

[rough summit]

How much will this cost me

and why not just a 4070? They are about the same price

[bold pewter]

im pretty sure its same performance but if they the same price then fuck it

after further review @rough summit the 4070 is deadass just better

[rough summit]

lmao okay

[rough summit]

MSI GeForce RTX 4070 VENTUS 2X E1 12G OC

is this any good?

[bold pewter]

i mean i got a 3060ti from the same brand no issues so i would assume so

[bold pewter]

12g is the vram, 2x is how many fans, and OC means you can overclock it if you want

[rich ermine]

yours is fine lmao its jusst game optimization hopefully they will optimize it ssoon

[rich ermine]

howss this even possible lmaoo

ima try clearing cache🙏

game set me to high settings thinking i can run allat

im getting 18 fps at 864p

oh how i wish i can refund this game

[violet tendon]

It’ll still stutter

[bold pewter]

everytime they do a major update or hotfix they just need to sneak some optimization

like with this hotfix they did minigun optimization

[rich ermine]

fps optimization?? nah minigun optimization👍

[slow pendant]

I know you're a gamer so there's no expectation for you to understand this but optimization of the mini gun effects is optimization for frames per second

[rich ermine]

im talking about maing game stable fps

i dont expect to be getting ovver 60 fps in a minigun only

[slow pendant]

You're right, they should have changed the gameIsOptimized boolean to true in the unreal engine settings instead of fixing the excessive particles spawning on an effect 🙄

[rich ermine]

yes bro

they shoudlve

[rotund echo]

Cool story fixing an issue with a newly added weapon
But there were other things to do too

[full rivet]

massive code need to fix and need to change coding habit apart direct use of BLUE Print

detailes explained in bilibili. video/BV1tq1cYiEaQ

donot trying tell me this is made intentionally

it's more like a patch for time system that depends on frame rate

which squad certainly needs to fix from their original code

[crimson valley]

buy 7800x3d

i did and im very happy

[crimson valley]

we need more people like you hero

[crimson valley]

link not work for me

[crimson valley]

@topaz blaze can you show your curve with undervolted gpu?

[topaz blaze]

I just copied the settings from a yputube video

Worked fine for me, you got 3080?

[crimson valley]

no 4070 but want to see your curve for learning purposes

[topaz blaze]

Does anyone know which settings in the graphics settings are gpu bound and which one are cpu bound?

I want to keep the cpu bounded settigns on low, so I can give more load to my gpu, which gives me more fps

[latent shoal]

GPU

• Anti-aliasing
• Material quality
• Texture quality
• Anisotropic filtering
• Shadow quality
• Ambient occlusion
• Screen space AO
• Post processing quality
• Color grading

CPU

• Dynamic mesh quality
• Low quality environment

Both GPU & CPU

• Contact Shadows (Low FPS cost, so it being enabled doesn't matter)
• Ocean quality (Mostly GPU until you enable wake simulation)
• Wake simulation (Hits CPU mostly, but is tied to Ocean quality)
• Particle effects (Becomes more CPU involved at cinematic)

[topaz blaze]

Perfect, thx

[latent shoal]

This is generalizing heavily, since it's highly dependent on how specific graphic settings are set up and if multiple settings are just bound to a single menu setting. For example, in some games shadows have separate render distance option, which is mainly CPU involvement, while shadow resolution is GPU - But for Squad is irrelevant due to locked shadow render distance and Shadows option only affecting it's visual quality. But typically rule of thumb for most games is;
If makes game look more pretty = GPU
If adjust render/draw distances, physics, object density and AI = CPU

[topaz blaze]

Good to know. I am playing Squad on 4K with DSR set to 2.25x on a 1440p monitor. Together with DLSS, the game looks and runs better than my native resolution on lowest settings. I usually play with all the graphics settings on low with DLSS set to Quality on 4K, but I can average 95-120 fps, so I thought, O could give away some fps to make the game look even better.

The 4K just puts more load on my GPU, cuz I am CPU bottlenecked on Squad. I9 10900K with RTX 3080

[hollow kayak]

9800X3D about to release reeeee

[topaz blaze]

All gpu's are gonna get bottlenecked with that one 😂