Trainer School vote & discussion

[sly marsh]

Please discuss potential trainer school improvements here.

[muted spruce]

Maybe have it less like a school and more like a karate class or something?

[sly marsh]

Here's a basic overview of the idea through the lens of a potential class:

A Pokemon breeder is one of the teachers, and they teach you about the ins and outs of breeding. They tell you what the destiny knot does, about the power items, and about the Everstone.

[coarse glen]

I was JUST about to mention a breeder class, this would be awesome! Pokemon breeding is the mechanic I get into the most, so having an accessible way to teach people about it would be amazing. Maybe teach them about the Matsuda method and other ways to breed shinies?

[sly marsh]

Yeah I can't believe the masuda method was never mentioned explicitly until Scarlet/Violet

[south trout]

Maybe you could implement an IV and EV class where you can get to know about these and see your stats. That would be awesome.
And I would like to have something about natures too!

[sly marsh]

I think this would be a cool way to fill out your notebook as well, have it fill out certain pages as you progress/skip certain classes

Could put the Pokemon type table in there, breeding info, etc

[south trout]

The type table would be great too, yes! Very good ideas imo

[sleek terrace]

Special attack/physical attack and how to differentiate the two and how to effectively use them

[sly marsh]

Trainer School vote & discussion

[south trout]

Maybe something about tactics or specifics/characteristics about double battles would be great too

[sleek path]

It could be cool if you could change nature at school

[rapid barn]

This would be awesome. Always had a hard time to figure out about how this works

[sly marsh]

You can change natures with mints

[patent fog]

Competitive school

[sleek path]

Ya but like then you have to go and find the mints 😂

[sly marsh]

And you get those from the person who used to be the name rater

[hybrid crest]

will there be special ed classes? That would help trainers like me

[sly marsh]

ed

[sleek path]

Maybe like the school could be a huge tournament

[cold topaz]

I think it’s a great idea. It would really help teach some players more advanced mechanics.

[patent fog]

Smogon ou singles in the school

[sleek path]

🤣🤣 I love it

[rough mesa]

If this were implemented into renegade platinum, I think talking about Acid Rain would be a fun little class

[quick jetty]

This has incredible potential

[rough mesa]

It's still a great idea

Full support

[sly marsh]

totally not stolen from Scarlet/Violet

[distant cipher]

Suggestion, potentially a course on competitive items and potential roles for pokemon (walls, sweepers, etc.)

If it's even possible perhaps an in-game teambuilder that you can use to check the weaknesses and resistances of your entire team at a glance

[ionic heron]

Maybe a class explaining certain strategies like weather teams/stall/hyper offense

[hybrid crest]

i like the whole school/building relationships thing from sv and fe3h. Maybe building relationships would be cool to unlock stuff

[sly marsh]

Also quests

[rough mesa]

That makes me wonder, since pursuit was removed prior to bdsp, would acid rain still work?

[sly marsh]

That was so un-explored in scvi

[fierce vigil]

The bonding with the teachers was one of my favorite aspects of Scarlet and Violet tbh

A shame the game kinda puts it aside so many players not even see them

[south trout]

A mega evolution class could be something too or about alola, hisuian and galar forms

[sly marsh]

I will add, there's a TON of items we want to add to the game, but currently don't know where to add them. This could help

Or idiots like me who don't know what the 20,000 different items/abilities in Pokemon do

[still estuary]

Smogon University in-game

[sly marsh]

just a koffing teaching the class

[naive sage]

I think it'd be pretty fun to have a history class that would explain how Sinnoh went from it's DP/BDSP era to this Luminescent era with all these changes and additions. Don't know what items it could give (maybe Hisui evo items like Peat Block that don't appear normally in Sinnoh, if those ever become usable here?), but I just thought this would be a funny idea.

[sly marsh]

We are adding so much lore

History class would be very cool

[rough mesa]

Some sv items would be cool to see, like the Punching Gloves or Mirror Herb

[south trout]

Breeding class could be named biology class 😄

[native patio]

This is actually a pretty nice idea TTiN, it will definitely helps a lot to improve the Trainer School.

[sly marsh]

There's a lot of stuff in there right now, but it all feels rather cobbled together.

[hybrid crest]

plz don’t add the emotion spectrum tests from SV. I will literally die

[sly marsh]

Got it, adding it for you.

[distant cipher]

There's so much that can be done with this idea lol

[naive sage]

I appreciate the support! I hope you guys can find a way to implement it in-between all this other, more gameplay-based stuff.

[sly marsh]

I wouldn't stress it

I'm looking for things to keep team members busy while we're working on natdex implementation

[naive sage]

You know development's going well when you gotta keep people busy beause there's not enough to do!

[sly marsh]

team is all focused on work or ScVi at the moment, but I'm about to push for getting 2.0 fixed and finished soon

[naive sage]

Kinda forgot about that stuff being a factor too, but hey, it was a nice thought.

[sly marsh]

We're all just Pokemon fans at heart afterall

[naive sage]

True! You don't get 100+ people working on a game for free without them having SOME kind of passion.

[worn wind]

I need shit to write

Am writer, but not writing

[tawny cargo]

Idk if its necessary but it would be cool if the teacher could explain the buffs given to any pokemon you ask them about.

Hard to avoid breaking the 4th wall with this one but they could say things like "Charizard is a Fire/Dragon type with the ability drought."

[sly marsh]

I don't think the fourth wall matters much in a romhack ngl

[karmic oracle]

if one of purposes is "teaching people intricacies of harder battles", then i feel like teaching people teambuilding would be a good thing, tho thats probably hard to do

[sly marsh]

Just talk about getting proper coverage, explain stab, explain different team dynamics (ie making a sandstorm team) etc

[karmic oracle]

that would be a good start

ideally explaining what makes a pokemon fit certain role would be good as well

especially when the aim for rebalancing mons is giving them some sort of niche rather than simply making them strong

[sly marsh]

It would be cool to have some sort of final test that involves beating a niche team, or bringing a 5IV Pokemon with a certain nature, etc

[pulsar quarry]

NGL i love this idea

Sounds very poggers if i may say

[sly marsh]

Pog indeed

[pulsar quarry]

Little Guy

[tawny cargo]

This one idea is probably too difficult to implement but I like the idea of pokemon puzzles. Basically you and your opponent have preset teams and you have to figure out how to beat them with it.

[thick rain]

there should be an npc that has a randomely male or female pokemon and if you beat them with a pokemon of the opposite gender they get pokerus 😨

would be nice to get pokerus somehow for EV training

[sly marsh]

Could you do me a favor

I'm getting ready for a date so I don't have time to search for videos. Could you find me a video of the BDSP catching tutorial

I have an idea

[karmic oracle]

https://youtu.be/rF4oR-xgrLY?t=1591

i assume this is what you mean

time stamped to 26:31

[thick rain]

best i found is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAtnyBINlhM

[sly marsh]

Interesting....

It seems there exists a way for the game to hold your Pokemon in work values

@tame talon when I dm you this is what I'm referencing

[crisp marsh]

I think this is a good idea
Gamefreak always mixing their messages, they want competitive to be more accessible but still use flowery language when describing mechanics

[thick rain]

tru

[karmic oracle]

they pretty much explained things in pretty straightforward way in sv

giving percentages, explaining how things stack

[thick rain]

yo rly?

that's sick

[karmic oracle]

well yeah

[thick rain]

i haven't played yet

i was playing this mod when it came out :o

[karmic oracle]

for some people its probably been news that base crit rate is 4%

and that its 12% for stone edge

[thick rain]

4% seems low

i knew it was but it still seems low lol

[karmic oracle]

well thats how it is

[thick rain]

ye

[karmic oracle]

base is 4.17%, +1 (like stone edge) is 12.5%

[thick rain]

what about scope lens boost or whatever it's called

[karmic oracle]

its +1 to all moves

[thick rain]

1%?

[karmic oracle]

no, +1 stage

[thick rain]

oh oh

[thick rain]

so serene grace air slash + scope lens is +3?

wait air slash flinches

[fervent dragon]

I dont know if this had been said yet, but i like the idea with a gym or science class that explains the abilities Pokemon have in lumi with some ideas how to effectivly use them

The reason for gym class was the idea of solving puzzles using the pokemons ability correctly in battle in order to win

[calm tinsel]

this genuinely sounds awesome and activates my completionist ape brain.

[pulsar marlin]

As an extension to this, if these classes were offering items or whatnot, what would the difficulty be of the breeder gifting a ditto from a different country and language to promote that method of shiny hunting/breeding?

[past cove]

Imagine pressing the down vote option

Quite stupid

[karmic oracle]

They probably have their reasons
Hopefully

[sly marsh]

A couple of them vote no on pretty much everything lol

[past cove]

Quite goofy ahh of them

[night pulsar]

well since youre in a school, you could have some exchange students from foreign countries trade you some different country pokemon

that would make more sense in a school enviroment

[hybrid crest]

foreign ditto pog merci beaucoup

[glass granite]

something I saw with the Emerald roguelike; NPC who tells you what's needed to evolve a pokemon

[rare ridge]

honestly love this idea, I hate having to look it up, it breaks immersion lmao

[hybrid stone]

please have an adult NPC in the school who fails every semester

[ashen ore]

Would it be better to be added to the pokedex along the attack table like ROWE?

[sly marsh]

It would be nice if even one of the no voters actually gave feedback as to why they don't want this

[glass granite]

"School bad"

[tawny cargo]

Must have been team Star

[worn wind]

I don't know if it's fair to call them out. We asked for their votes to tally interest, if they don't elaborate they've still cooperated.

It'll just breed less interest in people expressing pleasure or displeasure with ideas if we make a thing out of it.

[sly marsh]

I just want to know why they think something completely optional should be added.

And the op is Please discuss potential trainer school improvements here.

[mortal cave]

I don't know if this has already been suggested but having a class teach about the stuff that happened in legends Arceus and the lore for legendary/mythical Pokemon would be pretty cool

[glass granite]

I did like the concept of having ||lore classes|| in ScVi

Maybe add in anbin game explanation there of why Incense Burner works to summon regionals not available usually

[sly marsh]

For those who care

Here's the lore

[karmic oracle]

hey it helps with immersion

at least imo

[worn wind]

I am excited to write these tbh

[sly marsh]

||Dialga and Palkia are enraged and causing mischief from their dimension, causing mons from different times/places to be thrown into Sinnoh. The natdex mons are kinda spooked to be in this dimension/region so they're in hiding. If any of you have seen the Shaymin movie, it absorbs contamination and other stuff, so it's absorbed pollen in the fur/on the skin of mons from other regions and this caused it to sprout flowers that are native to those regions/times. Burning them makes the Pokemon feel comfortable coming out of hiding.||

[vast prism]

I'd see interesting a class where you battle with a rental stall team and be taught the value of passive damage 🤔

[vernal cairn]

Add a competitive trainer teacher to teach you the ins and outs of competitive teambuilding 🙂

[minor temple]

yes, this is good idea

[glass granite]

What about teaching about the in-game AI? Like how they do damage calcs and choose their moves

[worn wind]

Oh jesus guys

I want to keep it within in-universe narrative

So yes but also jeez

[tame talon]

I agree with DJ, don't want to break the fourth wall just yet

[glass granite]

"How bad trainers choose their moves" and "how gym leaders choose their moves"

[worn wind]

No yeah it's doable but really high concept

[glass granite]

Yeah, fair

[tame talon]

Fantina > fake outs 10 times in a row

[glass granite]

Fair lol

[fierce vigil]

Have a random student NPC implied to be Dendra :D

[dull zinc]

||Oh I thought it just worked like the Radio did||

[lavish snow]

Given that this rom is meant to be a more advanced game, maybe we should have the trainer school topics be more advanced information about lore and game mechanics that players who are deep enough in to be playing a challenging romhack may not know?

rather than the current "The day care exists! here's an egg!"

just a thought that I'm way too busy to be presenting, much less elaborating on. Brain, please stop procrastinating aaaaaaaaaaaa

[sly marsh]

@dense kelp

[hybrid radish]

could there be an npc explaining how mega evolutions work for us boomers who played pokemon like 20 years ago and haven’t followed the evolution of the game?

[sly marsh]

Why? Mega evolution isn't in Sinnoh

[hybrid radish]

i thought megas were featured in this mod for some reason, I could be mistaken tho

[tame talon]

you give them a stone and as long as it's within the range of the activation ring, it releases gamma radiation and turns them into the hulk variation of themselves until the fight ends.

[sly marsh]

You won't like me when I'm mega

[hybrid radish]

I should get my eyes checked

[tame talon]

you're fine, we get asked this daily