#nerf hamon?
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if you've been here longer then try and prove the fact you are and stop making such ass claims
Insane amounts of accusations
never that serious
one sec
King I legit suggested thta vampires lose their resistance 2 because it was too broken, I suggested that hamon gets is healing redesigned because it was too broken
Ok then
maybe instead of taking that amazing gif you have out of context try reading the fact i was replying to messages sent after i woke up the next day gng
mine is the white
How about we stop then
never that serious.........
Holy shit, there's too much to read...
i dont think the "needed hamon nerf" was that serious that you had to go on a generational track of multiple days of crying about the "needed nerf"
the yap is most from dog
caillou n i givin rotp some spice
never that serious..........
are you his boyfriend too?
poly relation?
Sure
ouuuuuuuuu
hes lashing out at anyone now ๐๐ญ@flat rose
i wish i had that many men to myself
hes losing it
are you not the guy responding instantly the milisecond 'hamon' is mentioned
cone on bro
WE.LOVE.HAMON
Keep the conversation on topic and be meaningful discussion, if your response is "look at this dude ๐๐ญ" Then it isnt and I will lock the suggestion recieving messages, as it is just chatting that could be done in any other channel at that point
no ill lock u
in my basement
until u decide u wanna join the conversation in a meaningful way

He doesn't try to listen and debate opinions, but rather mock it and mostly asking for fights when presented a discussion
i will say it again you are new to the mod
meaning you dont really know what you talking about sadly
I know what im talking about because its what im seeing, and sword has seen it too
sure wtv you say
And if you actually slightly understand my messages, im not talking about the mod, but rather how you don't want to hear opinions from actually constructive discussions from people like godday and dogger, making this suggestion useless, as you're making it like that.
i do not take opinion from people who never even once did pvp
this is pvp talk not pve
Thats the proof you're not understanding my messages
They aren't opinions, they're facts about your actions
btw tell me when you want to 1v1 i will use only hamon
I thought you could "easily clap" me with vampire freeze only
well this is not about vamp
its about nerfing hamon
Yeah you got scared anyways 
I agreed to your freeze only challenge, not anything else
no no agree to hamon
come on
i will not use any stand
just hamon
as long as you dont face a actual decent player using hamon i would simply ignore you okay
Ignore me when im not even talking about hamon?
Im talking about your ignorance and total mockery of opinions, discussions, arguments that are possibly, and most likely constructive
fellas, I will close this thing if y'all keep this up
just wait for the server to open if you want to fight
geez
That sucks cause this chat could've been an actual genuine criticism on hamon and given people an opponent to discuss
this thread is gold ๐ญ
I thought we agreed on the fact that whilst hamon only needs some true damage nerfed, the reason vamp is bad is because it hasn't gotten reworked
Big agree
this thread is trash
ah another hamon main
vamp healing get outclass by hamon , hamon 2 tap pretty easily, hamon has more long range move while vamp only real good move is laser and cost a LOT of blood that is really hard to get at max compare to hamon where u click once to get it all back
hamon has better speedboost compare to vamp
"I thought we agreed on the fact that whilst hamon only needs some true damage nerfed, the reason vamp is bad is because it hasn't gotten reworked"
youre blatantly being ignorant
you the only one who agreed bro
theres no point in communicating with you
nobody answered you
You mock everyone who doesn't agree with you
read this maybe?
"the reason vamp is bad is because it hasn't gotten reworked"
nope
weever dont bother
im not rotp pvp player at all
next thing you know hes gonna mock you and make a gif out of you
so just like danny got it
Nah he different
when will it get nerfed?
mb buffed
i said 'when'
vampirism will get nerfed or maybe buffed or hamon will MAYBE BUFFED?
but you know dog its okay i saw you fight and all you do is use sendo ground attack and spam it to win
so i see why you dont want it nerfed
bro thinks i personally know standos schedule to tell him when its gonna be reworked....
youre a manchild
grow up....
lol
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i saw you fight bro you just spam ground attack
of hamon
you dont even use your stand
no wonder you wrote a whole book to not get it nerfed
Caillou went from "i can solo hamon uses with vamp freeze only" then dies to godday and starts this whole thing and he wont even acknowledge people's discussions on the post:s objective
yeah cause i then played hamon and destroyed him while he played vamp tw?
or i destroyed people with hamon only while they use stand?
if you think for a second you might realize 'oh wait why can hamon user kill a stand user mmmmh must be pretty strong'
but no you cant
And you think that is that a good enough reason to mock and ignore objections against the post
its not mocking its just you personally do not pvp
and when i ask to show you you run away
so why should i bother talking to you
Sub powers have a lot of abilities, and they're made to be used
Bufdy
I dont need to pvp to see when youre mocking someone and ignoring their opinion
do you remember jonathan being able to kill jotaro?
or jonathan killing josuke?
i dont think so
I didnt, i just simply agreed to your freeze only challenge, however, you might have thought that i would beat you, so you dont anymore
your just embarrasing its okay bro
dont speak in here if you dont test it out first thats all i ask
Hamon is a very strong power in the jojo verse, it's stronger than a lot of stands
You dont realize how strong it is
said where?
please show me the panel saying this?
By comparing the feats and scaling of a stand to hamon
if vamp truly stronger than hamon, dio whould have killed joseph even when he infused hermit purple with hamon around his body
part 1 dio almost killed jonathan i hope you know this
instead you got dio second guessing on what he was gonna do, which he never ever showed again after that interaction
right?
part 1 dio won to continue the plot
he still almost won?
you could say the same to jonathan winning that last fight
except for when he needed to blow up and sever his neck for the hamon to not kill him from one gut punch?
winning
yes
Jonathan was so nerfed for the plot
not this am talking about
Like how someone strong as him loses to dio's severed head
If you realize, dio only needed a few punches to die because hamon is the power of literal sunrays, dio's weakness
Vampire 's weakness
And dio was a prodigy in vampire mastery
straizo quite instantly using laser?
A normal vampire would easily succumb to an injured william zeppeli
who's gonna win, a vampire or the fucking sun itself
Dodged by a non trained hamon user who didnt even use hamon to dodge
joseph who is the strongest hamon user overall
we acting like he did not beat pillarmen
straizo getting them lasers redirected using hamon
by joseph yes
who got one of the highest iq
?
yeah bro
Joseph vs straizo in the bar was mostly the guns, grenade and the mirror
If straizo would not have used a satiporoja scarf, he would have been severely hurt, but not dead as Joseph's hamon was still really weak
When have i said that
is both jonathan and joseph beat dio then clearly something is wrong with dio
joseph didnt even have enough hamon knowledge in the straizo fight to beat him
straizo killed himself
Post training joseph would, but pre training joseph is NOTHING against dio
hed run
i mean yeah true
still joseph end of part 2
i mean actually
but still
if the forgotten hamon of joseph part 3
with his iq
who hasnt used any hamon after part 2
got dio scared to touch his booty
then we can agree that an apprentice hamon user could defeat a vampire
bro we all know that josepg
Thats waht i said
because over the years of no usage the hamon degrades
(who defeated fucking kars)
like muscles
A normal vampire would easily be defeated by an injured william zeppeli
like bro
not even killing him though
we acting like joseph did not beat pillarmen
yes
no hamon master doing ts
beside joseph
lisa lisa?
Someone that almost died to wamuu would not defeat a freaking god
she would have whopped ass of the 3 pillermen besides kars in a 1v1
who else is beating wammu lol?
tell me rn another hamon user
beating him
caesar simply ran out of durability on his soap gloves ofc ofc
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Yes, caesar died but in the pillarmen's territory
Even in their territory, caesar was close to defeating wamuu
caesar died cause he got cocky, mad and not in the right space of mind when fighting wamuu
ts pmo
you pmo
Out of 100 fights, caesar would win a maximum of 50-60 fights
am arguing with people who think every hamon user is like joseph
yeah we really did not watch part 2 bro
BRO
i am arguing with a galvan
Im losing my formality soon...
bro you read part 8 and confused it for 2 sybau
MAN WE ARE SAYING EVEN A WEAK HAMON USER CAN DEFEAT A NORMAL VAMPIRE
all the village vampires were actual fodder imo
HAMON IS LITERALLY TOUCH TO WIN
dogshit
not exactly
HAMON IS ABOUT REACHING THE VAMPIRES WITH THEIR WEAKNESS IN YOUR HANDS
Are vampires weak to sunrays? Not exactly. -Caillou
watch part 1 again
Im not saying that its just one hit
Did dio survive a lot of hits?
yes he did
Hitting a vampire with constant sunrays are gonna kill them
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He did not survive a significant amount of punches
By significant i mean what a wrestler would need to win agaisnt another wrestler
You brought the canon discussion, bou
We are talking about hamon in jojo
well you do pvp yourself
so i will hear you out
danny your acting like dio did not survive multiple hit of hamon
"I thought we agreed on the fact that whilst hamon only needs some true damage nerfed, the reason vamp is bad is because it hasn't gotten reworked"
You're mocking my opinion now, even if it doesnt have anything to do with rotp pvp, but proving how vampires can be defeated with a few sunrays (weakness) by referencing JJBS, and I've given way more than enough proof of that.
pillermen are strong in the mod fym
I will say it again
bro youre genuinely never gonna be happy unless vamp and pillermen heavily power creep hamon
sybau
i was against a kars cd
please
He did not survive a significant amount of punches
By significant i mean what a wrestler would need to win agaisnt another wrestler
clapped him up with like 5 metal overdrive
i pray every day that sword byte closes this ass thread and bans you from suggesting
bro you pvp against 2 halves
you fight against jonathan pre hamon
@winter merlin do you agree
your ass literally all you do in pvp is spam ground hamon attack
yes
to win
i do
bum
Kars flash is literal stun and just use the barrage after it
dio got his arm chopped off, split in half and then should have died to getting his guts blown out by hamon
but lived to continue plot
your defending like your life depending on it cause you know you gonna lose with hamon being nerfed
since you get carried by it
Let's keep this professional and stop mocking
because i was fighting an mr as sc?
i saw him play and all he does is use ground hamon
Was that a lot of hits? Tell me
i dont like playing sc or cd
from base mod
oh wow
3 moves at my disposal as silver chariot
leme actually NOT use my sub ability
like 3
maybe 4 if you count the flower that took his eye out for a quick second
"this guy brought a gun to the battlefield, but we only chose to bring knives! He's a bum!"
yeah try to win without hamon for once
oh mister ts
delusional?
i was beating your bf up with no hamon
no ts
no vamp
the only one delulu is you remembering only losing once to godday...
i literally was beating godday with pure stand?
ahh right the best fight of who can land more punches and finishers
peak enetertainment
i still won?
like
way more
idk why you glazing him
like i said hamon carry most fight
like that one time he let you kill him cause he accidently pressed the ts button?
oh wow
bro cant believe his bf losing to me
if you enjoy 20 minute fights go to eyes of ender
its okayโค๏ธ
so now youre being homophobic???
to my pookie?
sigh
must get a mod involved
cant believe we're homophobic in the big 25
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keep crying your bf lost bro
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smh its funny
Didnt caillou specify in his "5-1" "i won agaisnt his ts stands"
poor dog
using no ts
get out you were not even there
Calling that out and godday not using ts is crazy
stop im almost crying from these insults
I dont need to have watched a fight if doggerton, who has, is telling me godday refused to use ts, yet you specified that he ws using ts stands for more "glory" if you may call it like that
anyways dog like i said i was winning like 80% of the fight with no hamon on both side
not using ts
Sendo needs a placement nerf, thats what he said
you (dont) deserve it)
no you simply did not watch the fight
its okay tho
i did....
he refused to use ts when he was vamp and had 9 seconds and you were hamon
be so duduz
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yeah thats his problem?
i beat him straight punch with hamon
like yeah?
water found in ocean
a quite easy fight too
youre lost dude
He literally nerfed himself in the greatest way possible
Greatest as in quantity
thanks for specifying for him
might make it easier to digest
thats cool bro
should had used it idk what to tell you
i still won almost every fight where it was only stand anyways
so your point?
My point is that he refused to use his strongest move, that was buffed thanks to vampire, while you were using your strongest moves
Try to fight fairly next time
strongest move being punch?
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this is why i ignore you
talk to talk
Oh you mean yourself
stop talking please
Im saying
He wss heavily handicapped
You should have handicapped yourselfm
Im gonna go for now
read this bro?
@winter merlin be sure to stay formal and show lingual and mental superiority
lmap
your funny bro
this is what happen when someone is being delusional guys
guys remember to take the pill of the morning
You show lesser formality, as you resort to insults and are closed to open, constructive opinions
Cyall for like 2 hours
yeah because all you do is literally talking over things you were either not there or never tested yourself
its like talking to a wall
When did i talk about hamon mechanics and pvp strengthe
I mostly started with references of your unformality
Hamon takes time to get to healing 4 while vampire at full blood is passive regeneration 5. In normal difficulty. It would take you atleast 4 normal punches from a max hamon user which even in canon seems to be pushing it #jojo-canon-discussion . In hard difficulty vampire has speed 4 while hamon has speed 3 always
yo bro can you tell the delusional guys i literally won most fight using stand only both
hes getting annoying
Idgaf
I don't see the point but ok
in the long fights
Even you saw that the fights are edging
do you not remember our sp hamon vs tw vamp
i was outhealing at some point
long fights hamon clear
for heal
food+ regen
With the guy who does slightly more damage winning, like I was able to land more hamon punches and won those encounters. Against vampire it's again just edging the vampire till they can't defend themselves
They have to rely on time stop
Yes I lost blood
yeah exactly vamp get trash at some point
thats my point bro...
Right but what's the issue
It's meant to abuse Ur stand stamina and or the 9s which neither of us time.stopped cus of the other people playing
takes 1-2 sec to do
I do agree with this kinda
yeah ik we both did not use ts
I think you should be unable to charge it when attacked
It would encourage vampire to be more aggressive aswell
Which they can afford due to infinite stamina
While the hamon user has a harder time running away to recharge it
We suggested the nerf to it https://discord.com/channels/912347321633755156/1364545958649532416 already
I think it will be fine
when will you do the dmg nerf
to all hamon dmg
I listed it there too vro
I mean sure? Again if you can just ignore the stand and land the normal punches it's cheese
But I think that's more of an issue of stands not passively blocking all hits
they should be able too lol
Idk this could be indirectly fixed in the future
well blocking will be more skillfull ig
They do but I mean hit boxes and allat bs
Idk it's kinda weird
In our encounters id just be able to land more normal punches really
Legit the most prominent kind of pure PvP if you just want to compare numbers
i did not even know that the stand could even passively block hamon attack
did not even realize
They block all attacks
@flat rose his point is, hamon, a weakness of vampires, has strong points, while vampires with their innate talents, have their strong points (stamina and timestop)
Again blocking is just there for heavy punches
yeah pretty much
Even tho I think it's useless kinda for SP or TW
barrage need to be more useful
Since their heavy punches can't be punished
Even if you do block it it's so fast that both of you can just do it again
ask godday or me we will both agree that a hamon vs vamp stand fight
vamp get destroyed
Which is imo fine, I think that breathing should be stopped when taking damage
Could provide more of a chance
Cus again you are supposed to be aggressive as a vampire
Its like saying "i use water pokemons because i encounter more fire pokemons often"
would make it a bit more fair yes
oh so now you agree wow
a while ago you made it sound like he could win with vamp
I don't think he did
If you say that only for hamon you didnt get godday's and my point
he said only reason i won was cause you did not ts
I do not agree
Hamon IS made to destroy vampires
I mean maybe? Time stop doesn't really matter if it's 5s or 9s against humans/hamon users
yeah i can just stand jump in your ts
or wait til it ends then ts
Id you wanna try in a bit in free but I gotta eat
True but it's still suggested that you do TS
Vampire however, have abilities to defend themselves against the sunrays in someone's hand (their weakness if you didn't get it) a ranged laser, and a talent for almost infinite stamina and a 9 second timestop
yeah i meant like ts then stand jump then stop ts
A big part of time.stop stand PvP is counting the other dudes seconds
Free laser
try it out๐
If he stand jumps
you should really play and try it out man
I know it consumes a lot of energy if held for a decent while
Again the stand will either deflect it or the other dude will fall before it hits
Lead aiming
It's a risky ass move
you should join us man
i really wanna see your word into action
I can't VC tho, parents are getting political
Bro I'm going to fucking school after 6 months of December
who has a lot to say about hamon
Bro I'm hosting??
yeah ik ik
Ofc I'm gonna join
I just gotta make it cracked
i want to see him see how hamon is not busted as he say
its supposed to be busted as he said
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I mean in terms of healing?
Idk stands vary
hamon user cant even see the stand........
Idk maybe some stands, its magic Vs magic
yet alone stand just block it
No hamon can interact with stands
They are both life energy
In part 3 Dio used knives to kill Joseph because he was gonna blow up if TW touched hamon infused hermit purple
Erm obviously make it so hamon users under 4 hearts fill their bar up slower since yo they would panic and not be in the right place of mind to breathe normally to charge hamon
good idea for once
W
Vro no
Bc it nerfs hamon but sure
Yessss
Hats what I'm saying
When was it canon? Actually they would really only lose when they couldn't breathe
But the only thing that stops that is freeze which is ass
straight buns
Maybe if we had neck wounds and shif
nah fr
That could be a cool thing
Maybe just a custom effect where your lungs or air pipe is fucked could be cool
Idk how the fuck you'd determine it but it's not a bad idea
maybe like
where the vamp aim
if he aims at their mouth
it stop their hamon
or something
idk
if they aim the leg they cant move
Ive said many times he's being informal, disrespectful and closed to open constructive opinions
Yes, and i have said it, i know i am correct with my references to JJBA, and i never have talked about hamon mechanics or barely about ROTP, the only stuff I've talked about is your disrespect and how vampires are weak to hamon (sunlight power) and using references from the show.
you are mad because i said that you dont pvp(that is true) meaning you cant really have a opinion constructive while you never even did a actual pvp and this post is about balancing (pvp)
I dont really care about pvp
I have not shown signs of anger, and i am not angry.
theres nothing to talk about its fine
once you have done your testing and test with a player please give me a good opinion about what you think
yeah i will just ignore it its fine
anyways i can play now btw
bro thinks hes part of the team
its been 2 hours vro
he asked me to play?
Why cant you read...


