Pillar men and German engineering

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The goal here is to add more goals, diversity, challenges and gameplay styles to the mod.
Being obviously based on collaboration/fights between players these ideas gives more scenario to a server (vampires and pillar men vs hamon users and German cyborgs or all for themselves).

-Cyborgs:
You must witness Santana's room, this will unlock a new craft which is a cybernetic chest plate only usable by normal humans and hamon users(they will however lost their abilities).It cannot be removed after equipped.

New abilities such as UV light against the undead and riffles that come out of your body can be unlocked by upgrading the armor with various crafts (mainly using iron blocks, netherite ingots and a stone mask for the rarity).

-Pillar men:
Obtained after re using the stone mask as a vampire who has an imperfect aja stone and the 64 human life's achievements reached.

This form consumes less blood bar and can specialize themselves with a pillarmen ability between Santana, AcDc, Wamu and Kars (just like for Hamon in the mod)

Their goal is to become a perfect life form by using a stone mask with a perfect stone of age, but would rather know how you guys feel about the idea before starting to detail more.

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In my opinion, the mod is focused on stands and not on secondary topics,

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clear's throat
Hamon and Vampirism?

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Well, it's a spiritual force like the stands. Mine

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Also the trello does happen to mention a Battle Tendency content update, so I think Cyborgs are on the table

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Good enough

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I like this

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maybe he is confusing it with a normal aja i think the Super red stone of aja is the one that turns you into the ultimate life form

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Imperfect aja could transform vampires into Pillarmen then the super aja would be enough to transform the Pillarmen into an ULF

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Please, I am aware we are making stuff up to achieve pillarmen, but don't call them ascended vampires

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Yeah my bad when I said imperfect aja stone

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lmao, imagine if you don't want to be a pillarmen

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they weren't

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hol up, they murdered the og hamon tribe

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lol

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he killed every pillar man who disagreed straight away

and the hamon tribe were regular humans

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lmao

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That would mean that regular pillar man are just better human that fear the sun and it’s only by using the stone mask that you would get a power

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I mean

pillar men are better humans that already have issues with the sun

[warm pier]

Well guess if this ideas is taken StandoByte could add a pillar men village

Little bit of genocide you love to see it

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well, not the first time

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Noice

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That's for the Perfect Life Form, the an imperfect Aja stone would make sense for a normal Pillarman

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dude

there is just pillarmen

kars race isn't pillarmen if you think it is btw

since he is another species who used the mask

and that in turn is what makes him pillarmen

normal pillarmen is just pillarmen

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Dude...

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Pillarmen were referring to the people in the Pillars, not any singular race, and even before that they are a natural race of vampires, the mask was originally made to combat the sun, which led to the mask using the Red Stone of Aja

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no, the mask was made to unlock the secrets on their brains

which yes, they always had issues with the sun

but at some point he actually heard about the super aja somehiow

which also explains how there is a specific regular stone mask and a modified one for the stone

as we see on his backstory, his mask is the regular one, with no holes

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and they are also not natural vampires

they eated animals like any other

they literally just had issues with the sun, for some reason

after Kars used the mask and was able to do the shenanigans of "unlocking the secrets of the brain" don't ask me why they quote it like that he needed to drink the life force of other beings to survive, as his own wasn't enough

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It unlocked the brain to unlock the body dude

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when did I ever said it didn't ?

probably the bone blade thing is bc of that

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Right here

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but they always had issues with sunlight, that never changed

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I mean, that is literally what it does

whatever comes after, came after

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Yeah it also was made to combat the sun

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it pierces the brain to unlock that

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But failed

It just made them stonger

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not really stated

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I'ma go rewatch the episode rn

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they just say that a genius was born and that he made the mask

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Hold on

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read the manga

is way better

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Here's the wiki quote but it's wiki so eh

In Part 2, it is revealed that the Stone Masks were designed by Kars in an attempt to grant his race the ability to withstand sunlight.

Also I would but I'm reading something else and I'll get jumbled if I read too many mangas at once

Like this one about a mage and this one about someone who doesn't want to be a mage

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Huh

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he later wanted to surpass the sun tho

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Guess I was wrong

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Wait

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I mean, I was also wrong here, they were pretty much vampire

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That'd be right next to each other

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yep

it is 1 panel after the other

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That means he did want to achieve the sun with it

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probably greedy for more power or something

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Ye x.x

Did I just really hate the sun

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ye, this part here

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Interesting

That gives me a great idea

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I suppose vampires just existed forever, just because

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They could have been another ape split off

Like us

But better

Also what do you think about this

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I mean, that is the idea

but it is just weird that they sucked the life out

but eh

if the mask demanded more energy, they probably just needed more to exist by default

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I actually think it was the straightest way that a vampire could drink blood

Through fingers and not biting

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and he also mentions this

so yeah

they just evolved to that

which makes sense I suppose

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Also there is bats that feed on blood so

Not impossible

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Kars wanted to evolve to be the Ultimate Life Form

which is a life form regardless

as stated on his own dedicated page, he still needs to eat and drink

so he is not just a invincible guy

really interesting details

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fair enough

they drink the proteins on the blood

and thats enough to live

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He did achieve it, but lost to a racist and and wife cheater who still manages to be the best Joestar

Duuude

Hear me out

What if like in the mod

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no one can surpass the true ultimate life form

White Man

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Xd

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who calls forth for supremacy

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✋

What if there was a difference between being a normal vampire and being a Pillar man in the mod

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I mean

people probably just want vampire to evolve to pillarmen

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Cause the pillar men actually had a different power set than Dio and Straightso

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and pillarmen to Ultimate Life Form

yea

like

it would be off with the canon

but I guess that is enough to bend

since Pillarmen, or rather Kars race post mask, is different from human vampire

since they essentially come from different races

[warm pier]

First of all who’s the white man ? And secondly I guess regular vampires can achieve Ultimate life form too

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which ?

I was joking because Joseph is English

and white

and yeah, in theory, anyone would be truly invincible and turn into a ultimate life form using the mask and super aja

that is how it is intended to work

but as I mentioned before, Kars race is different from human, so the ultimate life form would be different

just like in Kars dedicated page "Only one Ultimate Life Form exists"

[warm pier]

Oh ok makes sense

And isn’t it because Araki secretly introduced stands?

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elaborate ?

how would stands affect it ?

I don't get what you meant there

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Well if I remember correctly it’s actually Hermit purpul that lifted Joseph’s hand at the end with the aja stone Araki said if jotaro was at that moment he could have saw hermit purple on Joseph’s hand

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doubt that is true

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I mean, as far as it goes, everything seems to make sense

since we do literally see Lisa Lisa explaining how the Super Aja interacts with Hamon

even so that it is used to turn into the Ultimate Life Form

and considering the sunlight and hamon are similar energies

he even says after

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besides, Joseph didn't even awaken his stand anyways

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bruh, "allegedly" and a quora post of a random dude

did he post the link of said interview or is it word to mouth ?

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dude

was checking the aja stone chapter

so the mask quite literally just make them stronger

wtf

the whole reason they want the Super Aja is to push the spikes into their brains

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also, iirc, the Stone had a prophecy that it was essential in defeating the pillarmen anyways. And we do know that JoJo likes to use Fate a lot

here

so it being literally the reason Kars was defeated fulfil it's role

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It’s apparently stated in Jojonium

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I don't remember myself saying that last one.. But I definitely did

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Good morning akechi

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Good... Night? Geno

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Ye, probably this line here

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Evening?

Idk ;-;

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Doesn't really say anything about the Aja tho

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Morning

Its 5 am

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It's 5 am???

Oho

So I'm 4 hours in the future

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Ayo same

[simple zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/za-warudo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-power-gif-14292027

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Guess every citizen of Ohio wakes up at 5 am

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Still, Hamon and Hamon are energies, and Joseph Stand does use Hamon

[simple zealot]

Good morning then ^^

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And you also need to consider that Araki stated "Maybe they could"

He could simply say yes or no, it is his own story, but whatever

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Yeah totally agree for that

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Araki moment

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It just works

[simple zealot]

Don't question his logics

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Bro knew how king crimson worked even before the manga or anime

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About king crimson isn't his ability just timestop for thinking?

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His ability is time prank

He just got a really strong arm that can kill people tho

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And how did he train that arm

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It’s like time stop but it doesn’t stop

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Maybe good

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i think this is a cool concept but for being a pillarman maybe it should be either rng and you spawn as the slumbering pillarman and have to either be awakened by another player or after a set amount of time (maybe if a bunch of mobs die near you like when santana awakens from the blood he is given) or you might have to choose it at the begining with the same stuff i already said

cyborg is cool but seems kinda pointless unless it would be as OP in the mod as it is in the anime

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Like if you become stone and wait for like a real long moment as a vampire and then you awake as a pillar man

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If someone disturbs your sleep you automatically awaken

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I mean, forcing the player to do nothing for who knows how long, and based on rng sounds no fun at all

Even if it was a config

And is not like Pillarmen are even born in rock anyways

[covert panther]

true

Maybe when you spawn in if you are a pillar man a sound of rock plays and you leap out of the stone and awaken

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I guess ?

still, just depending on rng to do anything doesn't sound that much fun

if you could be born as one and turn into one I suppose is fine

but maybe still be a config

since imagine someone doesn't want to be pillarmen and ends up spawning as one ?

[covert panther]

good point

maybe a quest as a vampire?

or a boss battle if those r getting added

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I never got this idea; they pretty much start off as vampires and the stone mask further evolves them
It's therefore implied that pillarmen are evolved humans and you can't evolve twice with the stone mask, thus Dio in part 1 was like a proto-pillar man

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Pillarmen are literally a different race from humans

They act as regular shittier vampires

They eat by sucking the blood of other beings

And then Kars made the stone

We literally all that explanation on his backstory

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I mean from memory, they have the strengths of being more evolved

also I'm mostly using that as reference

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They are just a different race from humans

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because obviously Dio can't just will himself into being a pillarman

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From the get go

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yeah

they're similar enough to vampires though that I can use em as reference

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And the stone mask cannot fully push their brains

Kars says so

Reason why he needs the super aja

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so basically like this:
Human < Vampire < Pillar Man < Stone Mask'd Pillar Man < Ultimate Lifeform

(using the Greater Than sign properly here for once)

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Human < Kars Race < Vampire < Pillar Men < Ultimate Life Form

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I guess ?

Doesn't exclude the fact that they are not the same

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yeah

I just kinda

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Since Vampires can regenrate a lot and stuff

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try to put things in reference

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Do shenanigans for being a undead

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pillarmen couldn't?

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Pillarmen yes, Kars race no

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not like the remaining 4, those guys were vampiric pillar men

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They literally are shittier vampires

They suck the life of other beings and cannot stand the sun

That is Kars race

Thats all they can do

Otherwise it would make sense they could just regenerate to keep fighting Kars and ACDC

But no, they die for real

Again, Pillarmen are the ones in the pillar, which yes, are stronger than regular kars race

But kars race is different from humans, which is also different from regular vampires

Not exactly, the issue is that it couldn't unlock all of their brains secrets, since their bodies are naturally stronger, the claws couldn't push all the way into their brains

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Now, why tossing sun beam into your brain does it ? No idea

My guess is that it weakens them so the claws are able to pierce him

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yeah

that makes sense

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Well I guess this post is kind of useless now

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In all honestly, people keep appearing and commenting weeks later for no rewson too

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Kars is a pillar man

Also idea: pillarmen can't have stands (mostly for balancing and because it wouldn't make much sense)

[simple zealot]

Kars evolved more than the rest of his race using the mask

[simple zealot]

They probably will since nothing ever said pillar men couldn't have that

[covert panther]

More for balancing purposes because if pillarmen are as OP in this as they are in the anime it would be very overpowered

[simple zealot]

The thing is that the mod is more canon stuff than necessary balancing

And since human and animals can use stands there would be no reason another race couldn't

[simple zealot]

bruh

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Kars was born into his race

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no

pillar men shouldn't be

at all

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Pillarmen is not a race

You arent born as one

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ok, what if being a pillarman happened, someone wanted to be one, but RNG didn't allow them to?

the issue is

there's no skill involved in whether or not you randomly spawn with that invisible capability to become a pillarman

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And what about thr opposite ?

You dont want to

But are forced

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I.E. you use the mask and become a pillarman

but you wanted to be a vampire

I'd say

personally

that there would probably be some super brain-piercer mask that lets you become a "pillarman"

still human, just gaining pillar man abilities

with the only holdover from vampirism being the bloodsuck and blood meter

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I mean if kars managed to design the stone mask for ultimate life form, he could pretty easily make one that turn vampires into something near a pillar man

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not exactly

the point of the mask with the stone was to fully push kars, acdc and wammu brains

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for some god knows reason, the super aja, by focusing light gives enough power to push it

my guess is the concentrated sunlight weakens them enough so the mask can push it

regardless, pretty sure in the mod it will simply be a human turns into vampire turns into pillarmen turns into ultimate life form

or cuts pillarmen entirely

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Yeah but like a mask designed to rearrange the vampire brain into a pillar men one

And then having to wait for your entire body to process the change

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I mean, in canon, that is not posible

Since the secrets in the human brain lead to vampires

While Pillarmen lead to Ultimate Life Form

Probably because they are a superior species

Even more when they were referenced as gods and demons

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For sure

But if the player had the talent of Kars he could modify the mask in order to make himself evolve even if it’s not pillar men level right

Not sure but he created the stone mask based on his race’s physiology and it just randomly worked for humans too

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Ah

Yea yea ofc

For the mod sake just toss anything there

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I mean

Vampire horses

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Good point but he meant to make them so he could have made special mask for them

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?

The horses ?

But regardless, human brains are fully touched by the mask claws anyway

So its not like changing how it works would do anything

Since kars race is just shittier generic vampire, they just look human anyways

So is not as if it would change

The only change is that it actuslly doesnt work on them fully

While in humans do

Mf tries to achieve ultimate status, actually makes humans reach 100% of their brain

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Ok that last line made be K.O

He definitely had to experiment on humans first

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It seems more like he did it on himself first

And just really way later he used on humans

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Yk how there were imperfect ajas Kars talked about before getting the super aja which worked on Pillarmen skulls, what if the imperfect aja is needed to bring vampires up to a similar level as base Pillarmen which are naturally above vampires on the food chain? It'd make sense as the vampires would be stronger meaning that their brains would have even more potential which could be unlocked, and since vampires are naturally much stronger and durable than humans, they'd need a stronger stone mask or perhaps an imperfect Aja to make them ascend further, giving them basic Pillarmen capabilities in-which the game will give them the option to respawn as a Pillarmen with their current inventory and stand, meaning that vampires (in-game) would naturally be able to progress into Pillarmen then Kars/Wammu/Esidisi race (they can choose the route) and from then on, they can become ultimate lifeforms

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Low key, I'd just love to be able to become a pillar man/ultimate life form. This is such a good idea, and it'd be really fun to mess sround with

[main ice]

Same tbh, it'd be awesome. Maybe Pillarman and ULF could be restricted to only single-player/offline servers or just servers we make and bring friends into. It could be a configuration thing where you can toggle it to be able to use it in a server or not?

That way we can be as op as we want and still have balance in the game, since it'd be fun to use the broken abilities in a 1v1 with another ulf friend

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Yeah, it should be in the config so you could make it more/less op

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The vampires are already human unlocked brains

There is nothing to be unlocked out of a unlocked brain

the projectiles of a tommy gun aren't infused already ?

since you have the skill that infuses projectiles

then there you have it

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A yes the upgraded cyborg gear will allow you to become a nuke factory, give the nuke to a hamon user and there you have it.

[covert panther]

becoming a pillarman should be an option to spawn as one to begin with (like in ttigraas and origins) and then have to get the super aja and stone mask to become the ultimate life form

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Hum, I guess that could be a way

But isnt that a bit too cheap ?

Since Kars's race is already stronger than human

They are knock off vampires

Without the actual skills

But are already stronger than human themselves

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yeah feels a little cheap, should probably just go down the route of achieving pillarman with vampire

[restive slate]

I agree

I dislike locking possibly important abilities or milestones behind RNG that is either unable to be guaranteed, stupid hard to reroll, impossible to reroll, or both