╙🖇mods-making-discussion

[summer stream]

btw ill show the results of combining normal and normal detail

even in preview it looks very nice

so now i'ma uhh

uhh..shit

ill look at normal

[naive snow]

That'll spit out a normal, so it's good

[summer stream]

very.

very nice.

absolute cinema

i can work with this

[sonic bolt]

does anyone know where the actor legs for the ecologist exoskeleton is? Can't seem to find it under mod 236

[summer stream]

this was normal detail

[undone spruce]

nah mate at that point id just wrestle with substance painter or smth

[summer stream]

go into actor legs ltx and look what model it uses

[undone spruce]

Open the dds on xnview and isolate the channels

[summer stream]

nah

[undone spruce]

That's too olive

[summer stream]

because THAT'S how the normal came

god damn it ron

[sonic bolt]

Found it, thanks

[summer stream]

[summer stream]

if it works it works

i'll use X and Y to do Z

sounds good enough

wait

[undone spruce]

why is it green tho

[summer stream]

do i look like i kno

[naive snow]

So you know that black outline you sometime get around icons and things with an alpha channel?
That's because, when saving the image, sometimes the program doesn't know what to assign for background, so by default it does black:
You can use the dilation filter to propagate the last pixel of the image outward:
You get way nicer cutouts for icons, leaves, transparent stuff. Real useful

[summer stream]

using that for later too

since i always did slight shadows beneath icons

[naive snow]

Did you run it through the same normalization filter?

Both of your normal maps should come out the usual lavender purple before you combine them in substance, and when they come out of substance painter, they should still come out lavender purple

[summer stream]

nnah

i didnt

i wanted to look at how it works

first

and yeah

[sonic bolt]

Is this why I got the weird white outline for my STG icon

[summer stream]

green channel DOES come with purely black channel

[summer stream]

mhm

[naive snow]

When you get an olive/yellow map, it's usually because you have black in your B (same as when the slider is at 0, vs 1, which is purple)

[summer stream]

[naive snow]

Yeah probably

[summer stream]

alright i remade them

with normalize

[naive snow]

That looks proper and nice

[sonic bolt]

Photopea seems to negate the issue entirely for me afaik. Was able to do some icon edits without a white outline behind the text like with Athi's scope icon text

[summer stream]

photopea is
interesting

[naive snow]

Yeah softwares, will sometime fill the background black (which is less noticeable sometimes) or white (which is more jarring)

[summer stream]

also that white channel

[naive snow]

It averages what's closer to your image (if you have more black, it puts a black background, etc)

[summer stream]

negates all of the problems with

cut off

[naive snow]

You mean like cut lines on your models?

[summer stream]

it looks VERY
very clean

[summer stream]

yep

w/out normal detail

with it :

(it's not visible)

[naive snow]

Yeah, you where basically missing one of the direction information for when the lighting hit your model

[summer stream]

i love this

ok this normal will make me go crazy

clean and proper

[naive snow]

@celest forge Get your ass in here and learn, so you won't complain next time that I'm not teaching you

[summer stream]

nah bro

he won't listen

knowing juan it's small chance

he can just read this whole convo

[naive snow]

It feels like your hands touched a very hot surface, that's a burn on your prints

[summer stream]

or you're just

old asf

still the hand looks pretty good

[naive snow]

Nah like gettin older you'd have less blood presure to your finger tips, you'd have whiter fingers at the ends

[summer stream]

i have the same fingers as her

[naive snow]

Looks great with the detail

[summer stream]

does that mean i have burned my fingers

[naive snow]

Maybe your folks burned off your fingerprints, the perfect crime

[summer stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986497966107947049/1319016504246669394/RDT_20241217_2341055755542884020939763.gif

[naive snow]

Now fix the gun so it looks proper

[summer stream]

but mister burn

i don't want to :(

this gun doesn't deserve love

like mw guns does

[crimson salmon]

The m3 model looks better anyways

[naive snow]

Aren't you doing it on a commission?

[summer stream]

no

it's not really a commission

i was just asked to

but

well shit i need to make it properly

[naive snow]

Then just do it to prove to yourself you can do it

[summer stream]

btw do i do something with alpha channel

or just let it be?

[naive snow]

For the bump?

[summer stream]

for this

it has roughness in alpha channel i think

yea

[naive snow]

Oh then you can use that + the old blue channel to get some nice definition and results out of your specular channel

[summer stream]

im doing that

thanks burn

we are doing this bih again

[naive snow]

You can also use the blue channel if it's a metallic map to get some nice color hues or contrast in your base color map

[summer stream]

it is metallic map

mag doesnt have it sadly

time to clear up this mess

where did that come from

[naive snow]

Probably a temporary file of somesort I'd guess

[summer stream]

ah

high-poly mesh for baking maps

google is fire

[naive snow]

Oh that's neat to have

[summer stream]

substance painter can use obj for that

or any other mesh

[naive snow]

Did the model come with a bunch of extra texture maps or just those?

[summer stream]

lots of stuff

3p is like a proper normal

but for third person ONLY

nmt is used for first person

[naive snow]

Interesting

The good thing is now with those normal maps and everything, you could bake yourself a nice ambient occlusion map and a cavity map, get some really interesting details going

[summer stream]

i am going to look forward to it

[tardy flicker]

Is it possible to revive a corpse with a simple script or is the only easy option to delete the corpse & spawn a new entity? I'm not sure how I can select the corpse for deletion if anyone can help figuring it out

[naive snow]

Corpse revival is extremly complicated, better off getting a fresh new body

There's some things to assign and do when it's a story or important npc however

I believe that there's a blog post somewhere on google on how to do it for important npcs like Beard

[summer stream]

i love how many depth the xNormal does

[naive snow]

depth?

[summer stream]

yea

like slight depth

it looks much smoother

like if it adds actual AO

OH YEAH MW NORMAL HAS THOSE

THE PROPER Z CHANNEL

IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL AO HOLY SHIT

[naive snow]

It never was meant to be an AO

[summer stream]

I'M SUCH A FUCKING DUMB ASS

[naive snow]

Most game now don't really do baked AO, they leave it to screen space ambient occlusion instead

[tardy flicker]

Okay thanks, I'll see if I can find it 🙂 is for a mutant so not standard stalker npc. From what I can tell mutants don't have a critically injured state I could set instead of death but I'd love to be wrong

[summer stream]

mw maps does have separated AO i think

like mw19

[naive snow]

Haven't disected their models at all so I wouldn't know

[summer stream]

ima show you mw22 and mw19

i have a lot of assets from there

mw19 :

first - color map
second - metallic map
third - roughness/specular
fourth - normal
fifth - ao
sixth - no actual idea

and now MW22

red channel :

blue channel :

looks like this

(mw22)

red channel and blue channel :
(mw19)

looks like this

oh wait there is HEIGHT OPTION??
HOLY SHI

[naive snow]

Yeah those are just normal map channels

[summer stream]

proper ones

that's the reason i love mw maps

they look clean and proper

fuck i forgot to invert

ahuhuhu

lovely

[crimson salmon]

You don’t have to invert mw maps

Depends

If it looks correct without inverting

Dont invert

[summer stream]

i said that

to bf2042

inverted UV maps

[crimson salmon]

Ohhhh

That

[summer stream]

fucking shit face Y

[crimson salmon]

I thought roughness

[summer stream]

na we good

dont worry

i love that roughness ill just combine it with metallic and AO

[crimson salmon]

In one tutorial I saw a guy mix specular roughness and glossiness into one using rgb channels

[summer stream]

was it

lunatic?

[crimson salmon]

Yeah

[naive snow]

Fun little trick you can use with metallic maps, you can drive some hue adjustments up and down through it to get that kind of tempered steel effect

[summer stream]

i did play around with hue

like a lot

pretty fun

for some reason magazine keeps shitting itself

idk why

[naive snow]

I'll usually multiply my base color with the AO at opacity 65 or 70% sometimes.
Use the roughness map, invert it, use an adjustment level layer on it, remap towards the center and use that as a multiplier on the specular layer. Combined with some funny blending mode like soft light for the metallic map remapped too. Finish it off with a contrast layer and your get some really nice results in the specular of your bump

[naive snow]

What do you mean shitting itself?

[summer stream]

this

[naive snow]

My guess is that you have overlapping UVs

[summer stream]

uhhh

ima just do it separately

[undone spruce]

turn wireframe on

[summer stream]

no
(idk how to)

[undone spruce]

but yeah theres something black massive in it

[summer stream]

massive you say?

[naive snow]

Ah, the bullet

It's the bullet that's mapped there

[summer stream]

oh fuck

yeah i saw that

ill remove it

[naive snow]

You'll proably need it, so best to remap it somewhere it doesn't hurt

[undone spruce]

display settings on the right buttons, scroll down and youll find it

[summer stream]

nah

we don't have separate texture for it

so rn we just cope

[summer stream]

danke

muzzle

[naive snow]

I mean, just scale it and put it in the same texture as the magasine

[summer stream]

are you fucking with me

it's just those two

[undone spruce]

send it

[summer stream]

no

i already fixed it

aaand i need to fix the rest again

that will be fast

[undone spruce]

just move the two vertices

uv deform aint even a real thing

[summer stream]

yea it is

done

all patched up

[crimson salmon]

Hooray

[summer stream]

somewhat proper texture

WHAT THE FUCK

WHY IS IT ON A GRIP

huh

[peak quest]

is "hit_power" the damage of a bullet?

[summer stream]

that AO looks rather interesting

[summer stream]

yes

well it's a multiplier

the actual damage written on the gun

it just multiplies the dmg on the gun via the multiplier on bullet

example
gun has 0.76
which is 76 dmg
bullet has 0.9 multiplier
76 x 0.9 = 68,4

that's basically how it's done in the most simple way

[peak quest]

trying to make it to where AP 4.6x30 will kill on headshots

[summer stream]

there's GBO but i dont count that

[summer stream]

@naive snow whaddaya think of that AO

[peak quest]

i still dont even know how armor hitboxes work

with tagged patches sometimes the patch will tell me i shot them in the left eye

is thatafuckinghitbox

[summer stream]

kinda

[peak quest]

well shit

thats cool?

[summer stream]

that AO looks VERY

very strange to me

[peak quest]

yea 4.6 ap should have 1 tapped there

so im gonna try and make it so

[crimson salmon]

It does

Looks kinda like roughness combined with normal in some way lol

[summer stream]

but NO WAY IN HELL
THAT LOOKS MUCH FUCKING BETTER

LIKE GOD DAMN BRO THAT STOCK IS SO JUICY

[peak quest]

is k_hit the bullet multiplier?

[summer stream]

yes

[random fulcrum]

damage in its most basic form is still just hit_power * k_hit

that's universal

[summer stream]

i dont like the way GBO does dmg so

its easy to calucate it using simple form

[random fulcrum]

ye i always refer to that formula as "potential damage"

[naive snow]

I'll have a look in 20 minutes, putting the kids to sleep, but real quick it does look off which points me to your normal maps supplied maybe having some issues

[summer stream]

they have Y inverted but it shouldn't be a problem

the reason could be alpha channel

[summer stream]

not the channel, but UV

ill remove alpha

[crimson salmon]

Sweet

[summer stream]

removed alpha

ill load in new ones

yea the reason IS alpha

aaalright there WE GO

THAT IS SO FUCKING GOOD

we are balling baby

yep

@crimson salmon whaddaya think

[crimson salmon]

Looks pretty nice

I can’t get over the rails though

[summer stream]

just

just don't look there

[crimson salmon]

It’s definetly more accurate to the real life version

Than mw3

[summer stream]

i'm happy with the result

time to get it out of substance

[fair canopy]

Probably easy enough to fix those rails

[summer stream]

make a new model

that's it

or just

[fair canopy]

Nah

[summer stream]

cut them in pieces by two

subdividing n shit

[crimson salmon]

Just realized most of the newer kalashnikov products have simmilar grip patterns

[summer stream]

i think it came from

AK-308?

i remember it having that

[crimson salmon]

The am 17 and amb 17 have that now

[summer stream]

damn

[crimson salmon]

I wonder if it’s that effective

[summer stream]

grip could be better

[naive snow]

Looking pretty good, excited to see how it render in game with everything

[summer stream]

we will see

time to scale it down

also burn i BEG YOU
teach frosty how to make proper bumps

[crimson salmon]

What is he doing wrong

[summer stream]

alpha channel gone

[crimson salmon]

No wonder all his addons look weird

[naive snow]

Hmmm? What's he been doing?

[summer stream]

this

(for some reason alpha channel just disappears in thin air)

so u will see this bs

[naive snow]

That just means all of the lighting hitting on the weapon will be off

[crimson salmon]

How does one fuck up this badly

[naive snow]

Make a proper bump and show him

[crimson salmon]

Even my first try at textures didnt go this badly

[summer stream]

it's FROSTY

[summer stream]

I SHOWED HIM

I ACTUALLY DID A GUIDE

ITS STILL THE SAME

[naive snow]

Boyo be cutting corners

[crimson salmon]

[naive snow]

Did the guide include the shenanigans of putting the ao in the green channel

[crimson salmon]

I actually never put ao in green channel before

[summer stream]

nah

[crimson salmon]

I thought it worked like that

[summer stream]

it's only for EFT maps

[naive snow]

Clean up yo guide and add in the normalization step

[summer stream]

there is a different process of making normals

[crimson salmon]

Cuz of that one asphalt texture in anomaly

[summer stream]

he won't have enough brain cells for it

[crimson salmon]

Where parts of it were pitch black

[summer stream]

so the thing i showed him is fine

[crimson salmon]

It was fixed in sss

[naive snow]

Fair enough

[summer stream]

i did my tarkov weapons the same way

so it should look MUCH better

[crimson salmon]

Frost posts weapon slop like every 2 days or something

[summer stream]

[naive snow]

Now just gotta get that same look in-game. Shouldn't be too hard, just gotta fiddle with the spec of the bump

[summer stream]

ima work with that

use AO, use roughness and metallic

what do i use for it tho..

[naive snow]

I'll probably attempt to make a substance painter export/import template eventually

[summer stream]

it's pretty easy to make one

i did it

[crimson salmon]

True

[naive snow]

Start off the roughness, it's the closest thing to a specular map

[summer stream]

but you need to MIX it

[summer stream]

how do i apply the rest

like AO and metalness, which effects

[naive snow]

I'd probably multiply the AO on top of it, 65% or something

Metalness I'd set it as soft light or something with a low opacity, just to get a bit more shine on those metal bits

[summer stream]

as you say

[naive snow]

Do the same multiply of AO on the base color

Slap on a contrast layer after all of that, crank it up a bit to get some nice values and add a level to remap the values to normal range

[crimson salmon]

Saving this for later might come in usefull

[summer stream]

ill just

give photoshop 2025 to frosty

his photoshop broke

[naive snow]

Send me a set of textures and I'll make you a little example of what I'm talking about

[summer stream]

hold on i need to scale it down first

[naive snow]

Scale it down?

[summer stream]

yea since

it's in 4k

and the og textures are in 2048x1024

[naive snow]

You should probably setup your substance to be as close as possible to your original file size. Otherwise you lose a bunch of detail and things become blurry upscalling for nothing

[summer stream]

na it's all fine

dont worry

[undone spruce]

this the best photo i can take of guns with maxed out game

and 3 fps

i need a studio

[summer stream]

thank god i can play at maxed out graphics like mad freak and do shit

i should probably lead this pc to the one who has bad ones

[undone spruce]

i just need an gpu

[summer stream]

@naive snow so do i apply AO to base color?

or do i apply it to roughness only?

[naive snow]

I'd do both to varying degrees

[summer stream]

let's try both

[summer stream]

how does it look like

i did only 20%

since it would make the texture WAY too dark

[naive snow]

It adds a nice a little touch

[summer stream]

true

[naive snow]

You could also tint it, brown-ish to get the look of dust if you don't like ''gun oil'' black

[summer stream]

na it's fine

[naive snow]

How's your specular map looking?

[summer stream]

im doing color map rn hold o

looks pretty good

roughness comes first, after that goes metallic with soft light on opacity 35%, ao with multiply on 20%

[naive snow]

Can you show only the red?

[summer stream]

do i make AO have more opacity?

[naive snow]

That's coming along great, nice gradients, some decent small and mid level details

[summer stream]

oh yeah tbh about thm's

meowie showed me some good stuff

[naive snow]

You could try some 50% on the AO

I'd add a contrast adjustment layer on top

[summer stream]

is it good?

[naive snow]

You can look at a histogram to see how far appart your values are

[summer stream]

red channel fully or only some of them

[naive snow]

Only ever on the red

[summer stream]

alright this is how red channel looks now

[naive snow]

Now you can add a Level adjustment layer on top and bring up those values higher if you want some shine on it

[summer stream]

nah im fine with it

some of the spots slightly white, good for me

very nice thing

[crimson salmon]

Looks fire

Can’t wait to see what it looks like in game

[summer stream]

basically im working with 4 maps at the same time

ao, metallic, roughness and normal

fun

[naive snow]

Welcome to being a texture artist, we do that shit all of the time

You could go crazy and generate a cavity map from the normal map, get even more detail that way

[crimson salmon]

Using what?

[summer stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212847167073550387/1388504688420323498/attachment.gif

no thanks

[summer stream]

so basically i'm now a junior

[summer stream]

or whatever is the lowest level

i forgot

[naive snow]

Plenty of software do that, xnormal either the software or the photoshop plugin can do it. Substance can do it too.

[naive snow]

Yeah pretty much

[summer stream]

height map

[crimson salmon]

And then how do I add it to bump?

Ohhh

Height

[summer stream]

YIPE-

[crimson salmon]

I mean I could use height but it’s going to be on like

Barely useful

[summer stream]

height map is used to fix some problems on bumps

but cavity map?

never heard of it

[naive snow]

You could change the specular to be lower to emulate rough edges, or higher on metalic parts to do rough metal. You could also desaturate and brighten up slightly the base color with it to make edge wear

[crimson salmon]

Evil mishchiveous map that wrecks your entire model

[naive snow]

There's a 100 different ways to use information maps, it's up to your imagination

Cavity maps are just a type of map, you don't have to use them as is, you can use them to mask out other layers or drive information

[crimson salmon]

You ddidnt answer the question if this is better

For normal

[naive snow]

I guess? I don't know what you're trying to emulate or do

[summer stream]

bottle

[naive snow]

Ah a silencer grip

[crimson salmon]

you said something about height being too intense

Causing normal to be bad

[naive snow]

Well part of it is going to be your normal map, you'll have to use a pretty good texture resolution, good filtering, probably even BC7 if you can for the DDS and use something like kaiser filtering to keep it nice and sharp. Most it will come down to a good normal in your bump and some nice specular work

[undone spruce]

the shittiest pictures ever, but they oughta work

[summer stream]

[undone spruce]

im ready to send it, just need to find a good place to upload, and write the discord text

[crimson salmon]

I use box and bc7

I’ll try kaiser

[naive snow]

Box is pretty blurry

[crimson salmon]

Dunno it does the job for most textures

I’ll try using kaiser more

[summer stream]

@naive snow his bump is fine now
lets see what he does (frosty)

[undone spruce]

now imma play some motor town

[summer stream]

alright almost all of the bumps done

red channel looks like this on every bump

aaand that's the LAST bump

time to do the same to color maps rq

that's done

this will be fun to look at

[naive snow]

Found an old example of bump I had done for the toz-34
Cleaned up the layers and renamed them so you could see what was what. Once you've found a setup that works, you can pretty much apply it to whatever and even automate it somewhat.

[summer stream]

🔥

thm file done

time to look.

yep

we cooked

looks MUCH better

[naive snow]

Was it meant to be this gray?

[summer stream]

..yea

i can just darken it down

not a problem tbh

[sonic bolt]

will I have to edit textures to stop a gun from being so glossy?

[naive snow]

Slap a contrast layer on the base color and crank it up

[summer stream]

bump

lemme just uhh

use paint for that

since only that thing does BC7

[naive snow]

The brighness isn't as much an issue as the fact that it ALL gray, I expect different shades like on the mag, stock and scope

[summer stream]

oh yeahh

about that

also it doesnt have dither color from bump

[naive snow]

Neat little trick you can do, you can use the metalness map into the mask of a Level Adjustment, allowing you to ONLY brighten up or darken down metal bits

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/content-warning-yes-ok-dance-nice-gif-9985387461070341950

let's try that

but despite that

i'm pretty happy with the result

[naive snow]

Yeah it's coming out great

Turns out the model wasn't so shit after all

[summer stream]

and it was just me

harsh truth

w/o metalness

w/ metalness

yea that looks much better

we doing that

[naive snow]

Makes those scratches really pop

[summer stream]

50% opacity with soft light

[naive snow]

You learning

[summer stream]

fast learner

HOLY SHIT

that's w/out

THAT'S WITH

THAT'S A SUCH FUCKING BIG DIFFERENCE DAMN

literally reaching the level of good textures

magazine looks funny

[naive snow]

Doing good textures is just about learning to play around with your information maps

[summer stream]

ur right

[naive snow]

You can always remove parts that you don't like, it's yours to do whatever

[summer stream]

nah it's fine

let's look at it now

[crimson salmon]

Any tips for doing that I am creating my own textures for a weapon

[naive snow]

Depends on what you're making. Just getting and baking proper information maps is going to get you 70% of the way there

[crimson salmon]

A weapon that looks decently used but not alot

[naive snow]

Yeah but is it all metal? What type of metal? What bits are going to get the most wear and tear? What part would rub against a holster, mechanism or on the floor? Is there a direction to the metal or is forge casted?

Those are the kind of questions you have to answer to get convincing textures

[summer stream]

burn ur ready to see it?

[naive snow]

Show me the money lebowsky

[crimson salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

Looks pretty good

[naive snow]

I'd still play around a bit with the base color and specular, but overall that's pretty gud

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

i did my job

i did the first GOOD texture

[crimson salmon]

I think I did wear as accurate as I could, 75% of the wear I took from references rest I left up to my imagination

There are barely any references of a a really worn version

[naive snow]

Wear is just one part of the equation, most of it comes down to having good UV unwraps on your model, good texture baking to get the most information you can, then just applying smart materials and proper filters if you're using Substance or whatever

[crimson salmon]

The model I took from a fallout mod

Most of the wear I did manually

Best control is if you do it manually

[naive snow]

Did you maybe invert the ambient occlusion texture on it or put it under the Level+metalness?
There's some odd bits on the magazine and stock

[summer stream]

no i think i didn't

i didn't put it UNDER

i put it ABOVE

like every time

[naive snow]

Did your level brighten up the metal bits?

[summer stream]

no

i only touched roughness

[naive snow]

Oh you left the base color as is?

[summer stream]

Oh yeahhh

magazine

[summer stream]

yep

[summer stream]

metalness was just

roughness but inverted

it didnt had proper metalness on it

but eyyy

look at the texturee

[sonic bolt]

Bruh they won't even pull out the guns for me to fix

[summer stream]

drop em to them

[naive snow]

Cause here's a tip, when doing worn metal, rough bits will shine brighter than the rest. Whereas on your model, it's like a coat of paint worn off on a dark polymer plastic or something. Example, I usually do this when I'm painting miniatures

[sonic bolt]

Pulled out another gun, that seemed to fix things at least

[summer stream]

ehhh

the result is good already

so 50/50

the wear still looks good on it

[naive snow]

but it could look better

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/done-enough-serious-seatbelt-neck-gif-16791786

stop making me go over this again

[naive snow]

Fine, have it your way, but I expect the next gun to be fucking mint

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-cavill-генри-кавилл-gif-243016223201247058

as you say

ill work with SWM models rn

this entire week will be related only to them

[crimson salmon]

how does this for roughness look

[naive snow]

Too much the same level of details, it's all very subtle medium fine details, too many repeating patterns, you can clearly see the repeating noise used which doesn't make sense

[crimson salmon]

ill try to increase tiling

[naive snow]

I'd expect to see fingermarks, smudges of fingerprints all over the barrel where it would be gripped. Some worn scratches with more contrast on parts of it, either sculpted in the normal and then used on the roughness or something

[crimson salmon]

does this look better?

[naive snow]

That already looks better to me. Hard to say really without seeing how it's applied on the model

[naive snow]

You can also use the curvature map to put some grime and dirt in creases of the model, break up the roughness another way

[crimson salmon]

hmm i was thinking of doing that earlier

[summer stream]

question
what this could be, AO?

[naive snow]

Thickness map

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-thanos-meme-reaction-gif-23812090

dang

[crimson salmon]

make it more rough or less rough in crevices?

[summer stream]

and this is uhhh...

[naive snow]

Usually used for creating subsurface effect, but you can use it to drive red shades/purple shades on the albedo to fake blood flow

[naive snow]

Curvature map

[summer stream]

funny how it's

[crimson salmon]

more or lesss rough in crevices?

[naive snow]

We often drive roughness via a curvature mask, so that makes sense

[summer stream]

ima use it then

[naive snow]

Looks good. Maybe not make every edge wear to be rough, you can make them shinier instead, worn metal tends to become polished with oils

[crimson salmon]

i do lol

that isnt edge wear

its only modifier to roughness

[naive snow]

Looks decent

[crimson salmon]

i paint all edge wear manually

alright now i gotta do this to the base texture

and redo each step

again

[naive snow]

You can just toggle the layer to impact your base color and drive brightness that way if you want to drive other factors with it

[crimson salmon]

maybe

i think base color is good as it is

let me double check what i t looked like in game again

[crimson salmon]

this is what it looked like when i finished earlier

[naive snow]

What kind of conversion are you doing from roughness to the specular of Stalker?

[crimson salmon]

invert roughness

[naive snow]

But that's just a Glossiness, stalker talkes a specular map

Do you not remap it or anything?

[crimson salmon]

nope

i can mix it with metal

[naive snow]

A specular map doesn't react the same as a metalness.
You have to understand what the difference are between those type of maps.
Roughness is how polished a surface is
Metalness describes what part of an object are ''pure'' metals, painted metals don't count.
Glossiness is the inverse of a Roughness
Specular map is how much light a surface will absorb and reflect.
You could have a very low specular surface and have it be super shiny and polished, or you could have also a super reflective and very mate object.
A specular map doesn't translate to roughness/glossiness/metalness, they each represent their very own thing

[crimson salmon]

so how can i turn my roughness into spec

[naive snow]

Black painted metal will tend to have a low specular response (which is probably why your model is seemingly working, because your very rough roughness map made it a very low specular)

[naive snow]

There's no easy way or sure way, you have to author it yourself

[crimson salmon]

i think just inverting it does the job well enough

i can allways edit levels

make it more intense

[naive snow]

You can mix and match the different type of maps and get a pretty good result generally

[crimson salmon]

thanks for the help

ive been doing these textures for like 2 weels allreadu

[naive snow]

Don't give up, your first try will never be the exact look you had imagined and never as great as you wished it would be

[crimson salmon]

yeah

lemme show you my first try at it

this my 2nd

and i think itll be the final

[naive snow]

But keep at it, you'll figure out tricks, your own methodology and eventually you'll get where you want

[crimson salmon]

this was my first try

2nd try i started using more noise and grunge

[naive snow]

Nice details on the racking bolt and ejection door

[crimson salmon]

they were a bit absurd

tbh

the actual gun wouldnt have it scratched that much there

i meant

im not sure, until tarkov adds it

apparently it is going to be in tarkov stated in the tarkov wiki

[naive snow]

Yeah, but it's the fact that you thought about those details that count. Narration, as stupid of a term as it is for a weapon, is important to make belieavable shit

[crimson salmon]

true

i used actual references this time

[naive snow]

Yeah that's a nice reference, you can see that the fire selector is the bit that gets the most action and the head tempering happening at the muzzle break

[crimson salmon]

i got to see the gun from multiple angles in the vid

very useful

but besides that vid there arent many others

theres a 2nd one in pristine condition

but that ones a newer model of the weapon

[summer stream]

hehe
silly skin spores

aaand fingers having even more details
funny

[crimson salmon]

roughnesss is starting to look like this

[summer stream]

stupid question

where does this come from?

the actor effects

is it a mod or i'm just insane

since looking it up at mo2 shows only cooking overhaul

[crimson salmon]

lmao

[summer stream]

that shi is funny

[crimson salmon]

i mean

it looks like

its a mod that adds mp40

[summer stream]

i need to make fomod for it

[crimson salmon]

great i need to reexport and rebake all textures

[random fulcrum]

vanilla anomaly, it's enhanced recoil

[summer stream]

ah, thanks
i'll make it as another plugin

[random fulcrum]

but it's vanilla stuff

it should be included

it's a toggle ingame but vanilla behavior nonetheless

[summer stream]

i'll put as non-mandatory thing

[random fulcrum]

like honestly my guess is that it would even have problems if it doesn't have the enhanced recoil profile

if it's enabled ingame

which you can't blame as user error since you provided the mod without the necessary files at that point

but i'm guessing there

[random fulcrum]

???

[summer stream]

don't mind me
it's like 8 am and i didnt have a good sleep

[crimson salmon]

i did not sleep at all

textures are finished now time to import them into the game

very nice naming scheme

[summer stream]

fartshit

[crimson salmon]

i either type shit like that or

asdasdasdasdasd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212847167073550387/1388504688420323498/attachment.gif

[summer stream]

mine is in their own folder

[crimson salmon]

i have folder

substance paint export

and theres baked and finished in it

[summer stream]

🔥

rate this fomod

[crimson salmon]

zip bomb/10

yeah roughness looks better now

thats enough texturing for me

time to torture myself even more by animating

[crimson salmon]

ill do these rail textures later for u so u can make it tacticool

[summer stream]

thanks mate

[crimson salmon]

np

[dapper basin]

Why XML have something like this? how do i see it?

[crimson salmon]

cyrillic i think?

[dapper basin]

wdym?

[dapper basin]

asked chatgpt for it, At least i know alittle bit Thanks for point that out

[pine hatch]

каладуду там модель гамна

[summer stream]

Я сделаю их неё конфетку

ты тут мне не пизди да

[pine hatch]

а уже усё

поздна

https://tenor.com/view/ralsei-bongo-bongo-ralsei-gif-19500621

[humble parrot]

Anyone knows what to edit in the files to change the static magnification on the ACOG from 2.8 to 3.5 or 4x?

[crimson salmon]

deltapeak

[pine hatch]

[sacred token]

Its because you opened the file in the wrong encoding. Use Windows-1251

[mystic solstice]

You have seen the LV naming conventions? (above)

[lilac ibex]

shaderminifier but manual

[barren spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-roblox-gif-24643449

[mystic solstice]

in my headcanon it's not about minifying but just how you think when writing shaders 😆

[opal void]

To trzeba było podlewać, kurwa

Mi tam rosną

[long basin]

anyone know what's the range of these values

I messed around with it already and it goes way overboard in game

I just want to adjust them slightly

[hot salmon]

Broken beyond any repair, but you can find info about real numbers somewhere in the configs

[frosty dagger]

I'd like to increase my carry weight somehow, does anyone know what I can do to edit the game's files? Can't find a relevant config, or the files for backpack so I can adjust their numbers, or anything else really.

[sacred token]

Well, if you need an addon which increases the carry weight you can use this: https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/tosox-mini-mods-repo, the 500 Weight Slider module

[misty mulch]

That 500 Weight slider minimod may completely break the stat display in GAMMA 0.9.3

because Carry Weight Slider, my repack of what RavenAscendant wrote #╙🖇mods-making-discussion message, does the same thing and it also completely breaks stat displays

[sacred token]

interesting

Which stat display exactly?

[misty mulch]

editing this aspect of the UI seems to completely break GAMMA's new number-based stat display, so I would advise against it

[misty mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928715640968212582/1358087316505104536/image.png?ex=686dd520&is=686c83a0&hm=463ea2e033461a4cc5202a23e4403a67113381d74acb286e639d58d9a80b7078&

[sacred token]

bruh

skill issue tbh

[misty mulch]

gamma 0.9.3 breaks a lot regarding UIs honestly

poke around in it at will https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/tree/main/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/G.A.M.M.A. Accurate Defense Values

[sacred token]

clamp your values kids

yeah nah, I won't patch shitty gamma code

[misty mulch]

i figured not lmao

i tried to figure it out too and gave up very fast

[misty mulch]

0 to 1, you'll want to read grok_actor_damage_balancer.script to understand how GAMMA uses these values

rads protection is

all kinds of megafucked tho

[sacred token]

just updated my gamma installation and it looks good for me tho

[misty mulch]

oh neat

that's even in the version of your mini mod pack that's in gamma

[next zinc]

O MY FUCKN GODORO

[tacit surge]

Dont help Maka, help me

[frosty dagger]

Thank you, that works perfectly!

[summer stream]

Это че за предательство

[barren crown]

where is the link to frosty's suppressor guide

[summer stream]

what are you trying to do with suppressor

set it to a gun?

[barren crown]

add it to a gun

yes

[summer stream]

get stalker icon editor from here

its in English

then find ui_icon_equipment.dds in your anomaly files

[barren crown]

not the icon

im talking about the model

[summer stream]

oh

you mean to a MODEL

[barren crown]

i remember there being a guide by frosty

[summer stream]

what gun is it

[barren crown]

to do it

[barren crown]

Grach

his tutorial works with any gun though

[summer stream]

yes

if it has wpn_silencer in it

(additional bone)

[barren crown]

yeah im trying to get the bone

i know how to code it so it has suppressor functionality

[summer stream]

alright so

[barren crown]

i just need a guide video how to weld to armature

[summer stream]

go to your model and select the skeleton

provide me with screenshots since i don't have pc on me rn

that would be very helpful

[barren crown]

ok nevermind there is already a fucking suppressor model on the gun

[summer stream]

[barren crown]

the code is just not there

[summer stream]

good for ya mate

just add the config and u good

[barren crown]

thank you teivaz

what were the statuses again

1 is integral and 0 is not there

what is 2

[summer stream]

available

you can set it

[barren crown]

ok

its default 2

but the fucking details page on the gun

HAS NO 9MM SUPPRESSOR

i need to do magic

[summer stream]

Sir

isnt there an upgrade for it

check it

[barren crown]

let me see

if there is i did all of this for nothing

[summer stream]

but yeah that would be pretty good if you would do it by yourself

you will learn some stuff about it

[undone spruce]

who cares

[summer stream]

dltx is pretty funky

[naive snow]

What do you need help with?

[barren crown]

i already did it a couple times

[summer stream]

[undone spruce]

anyone can uuh

[summer stream]

a modder

[barren crown]

just forgot after every time

[summer stream]

(me)

[undone spruce]

thread a barrel

[barren crown]

i made the Mjolnir suppressed mod ffs 💔

[summer stream]

good for you

[barren crown]

too bad it used the old deleted one

[undone spruce]

put a silencer on a slamfire shotugn

[barren crown]

you mean the gamma "slamfire"

aka the mossberg by soulcrystal that is very fast

[summer stream]

man ill just wait when i get my karambit

[undone spruce]

no

like

whats the shotgun you gotta move the barrel backward for the shot to hit the pin

[barren crown]

cobray terminator..?

or whatever

idk which one that is

[undone spruce]

a slam-fire only shotgun

what a stupid term

[barren crown]

name it and i might

[undone spruce]

no thats it

slam-fire only shotguns

like the cobray is

[barren crown]

you can

it will just look stupid

there is no terminator mod though

so i cant

[undone spruce]

if we could make a shot delay on anomaly, it would be feasible

[summer stream]

special delay made via scripts

funny

[undone spruce]

nah i was not born for coding

[undone spruce]

i kinda want to do it tho, double action animations suffer with immediate fire

[summer stream]

you can just lower the rpm

[undone spruce]

its not that

its mostly that we can only use 1 or 2 frames of animations to any kind of pre-fire action, hammer dropping, cylinder turning and what not

its pretty imperceptible

[lilac idol]

double action type of animations aren't worth it imo

not even for a frame

[haughty ridge]

Does anybody know how link a right texture for a legs in swm_visual_body?
Because if i remove a hud_hands file, legs texture does not appear...

[undone spruce]

i'd like to at least show some part of the gun moving

[lilac idol]

I mean yeah I get that

but it's still not worth it since the gun fires the moment you click

without any sort of delay input it's useless and sort of bad

[undone spruce]

yeah, thats the point

i will however see if i could inject a hud animation for empty clicks

[lament current]

colorant

just need to paint color on the character... digital warhammer painting XD

i cant decide. if i want a border around. or its cooler just clean.

[undone spruce]

For all effects the mod's out

https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1392269443438084227

now i cash in on the modder' babes

[slow bolt]

ooh, interesting

[sonic bolt]

Does anyone know why my weapon positions keep resetting even after I change them?

[fair canopy]

Probably not enough zs

[sonic bolt]

do I have to rename it into mod_system_zzzzzzz_mosin?

[tardy flicker]

Does anyone know if fakedeath is limited to zombies or would it function for other mutants? & if not is there some other way I could force a mutant into death/ragdoll animation without actually dying?

[slow bolt]

Z's are in front

[sonic bolt]

Wait, so not like this?

[slow bolt]

nevermind, that is for scripts

i forgor

mod_system has to be there unchanged

[sonic bolt]

I stuck it into another small DLTX I had that was working and it still didn't change

[novel ruin]

Mooooore z, i guess, since gamma have a mod that also change npc wp position by frosty

[sonic bolt]

That finally fixed it 😭

[novel ruin]

[slow bolt]

Looks reminiscent of early 2000 hud

[lament current]

yeah, i dont really like the detail on the icon. i like silluhette more..
its all very preferencial... i made a many different types.
probably just gonna upload a archive. so theres something for everyone

[slow bolt]

ooh, can you show?

Also, may i suggest something?

#1137162280816099450 uses same BHS textures, but needs one more bar

[lament current]

yes please suggest away i would like that

[slow bolt]

a bar for surgery.

so just add one more bar texture to all your .dds

unless this is not a standard bhs .dds format

[lament current]

actually i did write you about BHSRO. because i cant use it properly.. i get a blur render error.
i would love to use BHSRO.. actually i tried this anomaly build to be all around your mod.

[slow bolt]

blur render error?

did you write on moddb? i rarely check that

[lament current]

in the comments, i wrote 3 mods. that uses r_blur.
to figure out a fix... but its okay. i also miss my comments in moddb all the time.
Regardless. i would love to make this BHS to be a BHSRO hud.
it would be a honor to work "with" or contribute to yours ^^

[lament current]

ill install BHSRO again. and get the error for you.
🙂

[slow bolt]

Yeah, chuck in #1137162280816099450

it works for anomaly and gamma without issues

first time i am hearing of the blur error ngl

[lament current]

i must hate myself. now wanting to make my own large mod combination. and make mods for it.
but its a fun challenge..
ill find the error, and put it in there.
when i get BHSRO working for me (im stupid)
ill try and make it work with it.
but im very beginner at this whole thing. 🙂

[lament current]

this one i was aiming at codec kinda MGS1 for ps1

[slow bolt]

Oh this looks familiar even

[lament current]

yes i used another BHS as a template to learn how to do it.

[slow bolt]

its the same kek

here you can see what i mean by another bar

the blue one

[lament current]

kekyea, i had to learn from somewhere.
just understanding how sidHUD works with BHS.
to show radiation. was a headache for my beginner state.

[slow bolt]

that one you jsut posted and removed is good

[lament current]

yeah im looking for the updated one 2 sec.. and thank you

[lament current]

i want to try and see if i can figure out to make a callback function. so the icon is "animated"
im considering buying like a qulity toy soldier figurine.
so i can set it up in different poses. like wrapping a bandage, moving etc.
taking picture of it.
and draw on top of em on my ipad.
this is all still just a concept.
i have to learn each step to actually create it

[slow bolt]

Oh, yeah it should be possible

well, not just should. it is

But the entire hud would swap

at least, in the current way how BHS makes the hud

Ngl make a couple that are exactly the same format

meaning the same dimensions and everything. Just different poses

Swapping the hud based on item use is not hard at all

You can retrieve the item used and match the name or functionality and swap the hud to the one that matches

would need an upgrade to the BHS UI - but i assume reworked has exactly that

[lament current]

hmmm, yeah is sounds realtive straight forward... ill have to look into it somemore. so i can make it a reality.
maybe ill focus first on making all the BHS icos in same format.
and possibly also try and make something thats a little different in placement. as BHS.
just to not copy others work too much.
but the template is just so damn good

then when i have a solid design. ill look into the coding stuff

[regal bolt]

Hey guys, just wondering
how can I change the amount of health that NPCs have?

[sonic bolt]

I'm getting a crash upon attempting create an extended mag for some of Frosty's Tokarevs. Dunno why since I just did the exact same thing I did for the Steppe Eagle extended mag I did and there were no issues

It also didn't create a new mag entity

Turns out I needed to name my LTX "mag_" instead of "mags"

[summer stream]

huh

[unborn crest]

what format do I need to save textures in?

[hot salmon]

It depends

[unborn crest]

❓

[hot salmon]

just use R8G8B8A8

If you don't really care about size

But i use DXT3 or even DXT1 for not important textures

[lilac ibex]

[slow bolt]

No

Don't do that

Use dxt3

It's the proper format

Rgba format is not compressed at all and will impact performance

It's terrible

[weary root]

I use DXT1a for solid textures or ones that don't need semi-transparent alpha, like grass and trees, DXT5 for bump, bump# and things that need semi-transparent alpha, like glass imo it's reasonable mix.

[slow bolt]

UI elements are also not massive, but even they result in over 1mb textures

Just for simple things

You can't really see the difference between them

You need professional software to spot

[weary root]

yeah imo uncompressed is only good for lut atlas from sss, rest could stay in bc1/bc3

[unborn crest]

@weary root Can you send me terrane textures?

[weary root]

sorry but nope

they are same ones as in aydin

and somewhere above i posted yantar that was missing in aydin

[summer girder]

I mean there's the recoil mod too

[summer girder]

⬆️

Take a peek https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1258234075819544768

[crisp burrow]

Mine reduces the screen shake by half in the G.A.M.M.A. Enhanced Recoil\gamedata\configs\plugins\grok_bo_enhanced_recoil.ltx

My mod does not change the recoil of the weapon itself. It only changes the shaking of the screen itself.

[summer stream]

prichina tryaski

[crisp burrow]

опа

[summer girder]

None of those gifs.

[crisp burrow]

варн за хуй стоит понял

да я вообще то с этого канала его и взял лол

[summer girder]

[crisp burrow]

одним можно, другие идут нахуй. как всегда

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-pool-gif-5317389617313406478

[summer girder]

Надо сдавать своих
Всех

[summer stream]

Не будь мной

[sonic bolt]

How do you guys get this menu to show up in blender?

[sonic bolt]

Looks like it'd make things 10x easier lmao

[lilac idol]

n

[summer stream]

shut up

[lilac idol]

[sonic bolt]

Found it, thanks

[ocean ermine]

is there a library for all the animations and textures i can access?

[safe nimbus]

Question for anyone who knows anything about .thm files. I edited the 12k_mount.dds file for Frosty's Saiga Duo mod, and there's still a slight halo. I'm not very versed in .thm files vs. .dds, so if anyone could give me some advice on how to fix it, that would be great. Also, texturing for gimp. I'd like to make where I edited more smooth and uniform with the rest of the body.

[summer stream]

THM files makes the DDS files use the bump they were written for.

If you want to make it less shiny :
Put OrenNayar Blin and material weight on 0.

And set the flags for bump file like this.

It won't shine like a bitch.

Plus will look better.

[safe nimbus]

That's what I'm aiming for.

[summer stream]

But you have one problem :