╙🖇mods-making-discussion

[summer stream]

check dms btw

[proven rivet]

[undone spruce]

forgot to make mags

[crimson salmon]

why do you not like baked lighting

[proven rivet]

are its ok to delete this lol

[summer stream]

dont

dont touch that

[proven rivet]

oh

[undone spruce]

textures on dx9 are a bit weird

but i dont really care much

yeah really showing

[summer stream]

boolet

[proven rivet]

ok its works and not crash

nvm lmao

[summer stream]

[sonic bolt]

WOOD FURNITURE?!

GIMME

[summer stream]

forgot omf file for it

[proven rivet]

its either something error with stuff bc its there

[summer stream]

lemme look at the ogf

[proven rivet]

yeah i forgot to change the animation file directory

it has mas patch

[summer stream]

skill issue

(nah jk u good)

[proven rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[summer stream]

jarvis, deepfry this man's balls

[proven rivet]

soon

if i could fix the damn eye relief

im lazy to add scope models one by one for gamma patch

[summer stream]

what's with the eye relief

[proven rivet]

idk honestly ive tried to make the scope closer and its still like that on some scopes

[summer stream]

avg 3dss

[proven rivet]

amazing

whoa

[celest forge]

Finally

bbq rifle

[summer stream]

gah daymn

bbq

[sonic bolt]

Reminds me of the mustard AK tigerstripe

[proven rivet]

medium rare kilo

[proven rivet]

ooo revolvers i really need more revolver on anomaly

[proven rivet]

how do i make it not compat with any supressor

[summer stream]

remove suppressor name from it

and type in suppresor status 1

which is built in

(NOT THE SECTION OR ELSE IT WILL IMPLODE)

like this

[crisp burrow]

ну похвалите меня, пожалуйста, оно все работает, я маладес😰

[crimson salmon]

what is that pistol with the super extended mag lol

[proven rivet]

it makes the uhh muzzleflash just gone 💀

[summer stream]

sir

then just set 0

smart innit?

[proven rivet]

ok the pic just load

💀

time to test it

ill just fuck it with the eye relief

[undone spruce]

a colt vest pocket

[crimson salmon]

why the extended mag

[undone spruce]

Cause its only a 6 shot otherwise

[sonic bolt]

Is this part of the modding book?

[proven rivet]

ok i think just uploading this is enough first mod i ever do

[summer stream]

yes

[summer stream]

[crimson salmon]

gamma weapons are so inconsistent

some weapons feel too small

some too big

[summer stream]

animators

[fair canopy]

That's what happens when there's no standardization

[summer stream]

true

[fair canopy]

Not even the animation rigs are the same, and then you have some people using thap sized hands or standard vanilla hands

[crimson salmon]

true

if only we had a weapon pack for gamma that was made by a group of people with consistency

[fair canopy]

If only

[crimson salmon]

we can only wish

[fair canopy]

Yup

[novel ruin]

So we gonna have of reanimation of a renaimation on top of another reanimation

[crimson salmon]

dont forget about keeping models consistent

resizing them

m4a1 tactical or whatever it was called in gamma feels absurdly tiny

[novel ruin]

Maybe a general reposition mod fix can do that

Gamma is a lot of mods smashed together with some consistency patched up by Grok and the team

[proven rivet]

where do i put my mod release or ill just wait lol

[celest forge]

Moddb

Or here https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1035807043933720576

[proven rivet]

so ill need just wait for this then

[novel ruin]

Consistency on all area is impossible, especially something that not everyone can do: creating good animation

[crimson salmon]

yup

[fair canopy]

Won't do anything. The hands will still make the gun feel small

[crimson salmon]

yeah the hands in anomaly are a bit weird too

hud and hud_fov issues squish everything and make it look weir

d

[celest forge]

I've seen some people say "I use THAP hands for animating because that's what everyone uses anyways"

[fair canopy]

Thap is a blight

[sonic bolt]

Why so? Cuz of the inconsistency?

[stuck spear]

Are the hand animations done per gun? Or calculated based on gun bones?

[fair canopy]

Per gun

[stuck spear]

ah..

[fair canopy]

Yup

[stuck spear]

hud_fov is a nightmare

[lament current]

Black Carbon Blade, with green camo grip

[summer stream]

wth r those anims

im curious

[lament current]

its a combination of a repos i found and a reanimation i mashed together. cant remember what exactly.. but i can try and figure out.
im typically dumbsmart stubborn. you know i keep trying stuff, until it works. without knowing what i did

[summer stream]

fire

[lament current]

im trying to make a compendium of different knife textures. for the various knifes in the game. ranging from lore friendly, to crazy non lore styles.
when i want to relax, or having a bad day.
painting knife textures always helps hehe

[summer stream]

i literally have mw19 knives and mw22-mw23 in my pocket lmao

[lament current]

we dont deserve the beauty of knives.

[summer stream]

are you su

[lament current]

i wish there were a mod, with hotkey togglers to attack with knifes. with different animations.
and throwing also.
and lock on, doom like but stalker animations of various violent ways you can end a life.
would play amazing into a modpack where ammo and guns are extreme extremly rare

[summer stream]

dang

[lament current]

btw.. could you port swords from cyberpunk?

[summer stream]

i can but why

[lament current]

more reason i should get into learning porting.
i want more blades and swords.. if only i could also pick up plastic bags and kill stalkers with that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX9fUErLu6g

[summer stream]

hitman shit

[undone spruce]

ok, apart from making the fomod script my pack is done

tomorrow i may finish it

[gilded barn]

By any chance, does anyone know where to get the mod that made walking more immersive, the mod where if you're not in combat and you start walking, the character keeps the weapon down without having it on their chest all the time?

[sonic bolt]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/153-dynamic-viewmodel

[gilded barn]

Beautiful...

[languid canopy]

so I got a question for fellow anomaly modders but in base game anomaly you can unpack the gamedate files and config your own gun like for example if I wanted too I can turn a m1911 into a a l96a1 make it do the same damage as or more and use the same sounds and partical effects, is there a way I can unpack existing mods within BAS in gamma? looked into BAS config and weapons data and it doesn't even look like half the weapons that exist in the game are in the folder.

[bronze apex]

do a search in files for that weapon's section name (ctrl shift F)

limit the search to *.ltx files

it might not be added by the mod you're looking into

like the m1014 has it's own mod

[languid canopy]

ahh so everything is isolated thanks bro

gonna be more annoying to build the file but it should work

[tardy flicker]

Is there a way I can add a non-companion NPC's health bar to the companion health bar list on the hud temporarily or would I have to make it a separate hud element?

[unborn crest]

если описание/название предмета в игре выглядит как иероглифы что это значит? Когда появляются иероглифы, а когда вместо текста файловое название предмета?

[random copper]

trying to make a custom poster using the guide in #🤖bot-commands . is the maid_poster_vertical.dds supposed to look like this? i expected to see actual poster images i can overwrite with my own

[proper relic]

Hello. Got the same issue as the EaredGen (can't craft any artifact related containers). I used the sent script to overwrite the one for the Keep Crafting Window Opened mod, but it didn't work for me. Workshop Optimization is installed and is on top of the priority list, I'm playing on the older version of GAMMA (0.9.1). I apologize if this isn't the place for this kind of questions, but it's the only one where I found any mention of this issue.

[drifting moat]

Try this

Disable the other Workshop Optimization mod.

[proper relic]

There is a warning from the Mod Organizer about the structure of this mod. Should I ignore it?

[drifting moat]

Don't

[summer stream]

don't

install like that

[drifting moat]

This has the correct structure

[proper relic]

Got this fatal error while trying to craft a lead-line container:

[drifting moat]

Well it was worth a shot.
Sorry I won't be able to help further. The mod does not support older versions of G.A.M.M.A.

[lament current]

is there a BHS version with "animated" elements.
aking to Tarkov. where depending on you standing up. or crouching.
there is a change of the picture that illustrates the player.
how complicated, would it be to write something.
that checks for actions, and then makes a "animation".
is there something i can look into to learn it...
thanks

[proper relic]

I see. Well, thank you for your time anyway. Guess I'll just buy those instead.

[summer stream]

isn't it an animation but just an overlay just kept in the same position as BHS ui

you just make three different version of them

one with standing
one with crouching
one with laying

you check the status of character if he's laying or crouching

updating the ui

[drifting moat]

IIRC there are callbacks for when the player changes states (Crouching, Sprinting etc...).
Fortunately for you what you're trying to implement doesn't sound complicated at all to do.

[summer stream]

and that's all

[drifting moat]

https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/tutorials/scripting/callbacks.html?highlight=callback#callbacks
or if you're complete beginner: https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/tutorials/index.html

[lament current]

im currently working on a BHS, quickslots hud combination.
and i thought about adding that icon change. i found this awsome reference. that can be used for the linework.
first i think i will try and understand how to move the different stats elements in sidHUD. with xml.
and then look into that callback tutorial thanks.. ill probably be back later if im stupid.. but thank you very much

[summer stream]

the said xml can be found via stalker icon editor

[lament current]

its not in the sidHUD xml that controls the position of the individual stats/bars?

[proper relic]

I've been thinking... Theoretically, I can disable the optimization, craft the containers I need and then turn it back on, right?

[drifting moat]

Yep, that is 100% doable

[proper relic]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[summer stream]

every ui has their own xml for each thing

BHS is the same

[lament current]

at this point. i feel a craving for having the doom guy head on my screen.. even if its a static picture XD

[unborn crest]

If the description/name of an item in the game looks like a random set of characters, what does it mean? Under what conditions do they appear, and when does the file name of the item appear instead of the text?

[summer stream]

russian symbols?

the reason is wrong coding

all of the russian xmls(almost all of them) are using windows-1251

if they were saved in wrong format, it will result in the mess

[crimson salmon]

do i keep this weird thing on the suppresor on the amb 17 that is in the newer versions or do i do it like in the first prototypes?

[undone spruce]

Are you a machinist cutting costs?

[crimson salmon]

no

[undone spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/titans-of-cnc-coolant-cnc-machining-knurling-do-you-even-gif-14567985

[undone spruce]

Then keep it

[crimson salmon]

alright

it wont make sense since this is the prototype version but it looks cool

[undone spruce]

Removing knurling out is the first sign of poverty

[undone spruce]

Then it really depends on how you wanna aesth it, i personally think details like that makes the model less flat so its always good

If anything you change the pattern a bit and think its a aftermaket thing

[crimson salmon]

yeah

i think itll look good in the finished product

the only models that depict the newer versions are warface but i dont like the models/textures from there

[hot salmon]

Can someone explain how install_upgrade() work? Cuz i tried everything, but it does nothing. This script should transfer upgrade from one item to another (CreateTimeEvent add cuz otherwise engine did not register new_item)

[hot salmon]

Just added this and it work now...

[fair canopy]

what are you trying to do anyway?

[hot salmon]

Need PDA to inherit upgrades

after it gets damaged or broken

[rocky basin]

Any mod for rework the skin for toz 194 ?

[hot salmon]

Am i stupid or what?

[summer stream]

so god wont help me
there is 131k animations here

[hot salmon]

ты чё делаешь

[summer stream]

бог
не
спасёт
меня
нахуй

[hot salmon]

[sonic bolt]

Does anyone have an old copy of the MP9's inventory icon? It got shrunk this update and I'm not a fan of it

[fair canopy]

[sonic bolt]

I just noticed 3DSS is responsible for this

[fair canopy]

[sonic bolt]

[plain thicket]

Do trees and other props like vehicles have their own shader?

[barren spruce]

not really

why dont you just lower the hemi from max and then worry about brightening stuff up with shaders

instead of having hemi on max and then trying to figure out how to fix it

😭

these may interest you tho

since im guessing its about branches

[lilac ibex]

deffer_tree_s_- some of the vehicles (VS)
deffer_tree_ trees, some bushes (VS)

deffer_base_bump/flat [+_aref] - opaque geometry (pixel shader)

[peak quest]

If there’s any mp7 enjoyers who use the 4.6 conversion and BIRD bullet icons I made AP icons for https://discord.com/channels/912320241713958912/1232748298503323779

Revising the icon right now because it was darker than I’d liked it to be for some reason

[tardy flicker]

I'm working on a mutant that's panic threshold goes up as hp goes down and it seems to be working but I want to prevent its hp from going below 5% - is anyone aware of a simple way I can do this?
I've tried modifying the 'companions don't die' npc on before hit callback conditions but I can't get it working with the mutant
Edit: figured it out, I needed monster on before hit instead of npc, but now the mutant isn't panicking after this change, weird

[deep edge]

Is it impossible to develop a mod that allows lets the player tell the game to load his map of choice into memory before he warps into the map?
Like, imagine I am in Cordon. I plan to get into Garbage. I'm a minute away from Garbage. I pull up my PDA and I right click anywhere in Garbage and click load map. The game loads the map into the background. When I reach the map transition trigger point, I immediately get warped into the new area, with minimum extra loading.

For that matter, can something be done to prevent the game from reloading the entire map when reloading a save in which the map is the same as the map in which the player was when he initiated loading?

[cursive anvil]

That would be a really smart idea...

[slow bolt]

that is a lot of engine modding

every time you transition the game loads a save

[livid lintel]

someone should replace armor camos with winter ones frfr…. (I’ll do disgusting things for whoever does this)

[deep edge]

Why is it unloading all the assets that it's going to need to load in? T_T

I wonder if it's possible to direct the engine to only unload items from memory
a. if the memory usage crosses a certain threshold
b. if the item does not belong in the present map

Are there any engine modders I can get in touch with to discuss this?

[hot salmon]

To not overload a decade old engine

[celest forge]

If you got enough ram, you could try to use the prefetcher

[deep edge]

The prefetcher doesn't make any significant difference to load times even with 32 gigs of ram.

[kindred topaz]

А чё там, Modded exes поправили, качать можно по новой?

[unborn crest]

it absolutely does not help to solve the problem

[quasi narwhal]

those aren't LODs, that's the good ole gray terrain texture

gimme some sex there's a fix for that

[naive snow]

Holy necro posting

[quasi narwhal]

but yes

what a necro bump

well it was in the MoH thread and thing got sacked so I guess install Aydins Autumn and rip it out of the files

[naive snow]

Is there a .bump associated with the far terrain texture?

My guess is that the spec of that bump is just super high

[quasi narwhal]

nah, it's just a single terrain texture per map and the vanilla one is gray/white

some mods change that, but it affects all ground textures too

#1355286570952950032 message

more context here and a download link above

[naive snow]

Yeah it's broken

[humble parrot]

Hey, is there a way to change the magnification on the 2.8 acog? I need it to be 3.5x or 4x because the 2.8 seems a little useless

[quasi narwhal]

oh, that link was probably mine then

[naive snow]

I might still have aydin's autumn installed hold up

[quasi narwhal]

but iirc it was just the gamedata\levels included in default Aydins autumn

[naive snow]

Pretty darn drastic huh

I thought the LOD maker generated a new one?

[summer stream]

[main plover]

How to spawn companion in debug map?

[naive snow]

Spawn any NPC, use the debug option to Make Companion

[main plover]

thx

[quasi narwhal]

nope, those are after LODs

[main plover]

sim_default_killer123129154891247

is story npc 😐

[quasi narwhal]

like, the render order is:

1. normal ground textures (i.e. ground_grass_...)
2. LODs (the tiled ones that LOD generator handles)
3. this stupid ahh looking texture

[naive snow]

How's it even generated? From the SDK?

[quasi narwhal]

and then the texture from 3 is always applied to the layers 1 and 2, like a slight tone/color change on them

[quasi narwhal]

I have no clue

[naive snow]

If Aydin colored those by hand, he's done a banged up job

[unborn crest]

I still don't understand what is the reason for these white LODs?

[unborn crest]

In this?

[naive snow]

Because this is the texture you most likely have

[unborn crest]

how can I fix this?

[naive snow]

Grab the Aydiin's Autumn textures in the level folder and use those as overrides for whatever your last mod that writes to terrain is

[summer stream]

@unborn crest Хуйней не майся и LOD'ы в максимум поставь

[unborn crest]

всм так и так на максимум и вот так

[summer stream]

Да да да

[unborn crest]

как поставить больше чем в настройках гений?

в консоли тоже пробовал

[summer stream]

Ты ваще на каком DirectX играешь?

[unborn crest]

11, а че 12 надо?

[summer stream]

Не, смотря на твой графон
Я думаю то что ты аж на 9 сидишь

[unborn crest]

че вот все так угорает, даже не понимая проблемы, тут уже выше пояснили что проблема не в дх или чем то
а в текстуре террейна которая белая

[unborn crest]

че смотря?

это тот графон который выйдет если убрать туман

[summer stream]

Я угараю то что у тебя такое

[unborn crest]

че ты угораешь, ебень
зайди в игру убери всю плотность тумана и его дальность на 1500 и глянь еще в демо рекодре

[summer stream]

У меня нету такого потому что у меня нормальные текстуры

[unborn crest]

какие такие?
у меня те текстуры что были в гамме
я и говорю о проблеме гаммы

[summer stream]

Наверное не проблема гаммы?

А то что ты погоду трогал?

[unborn crest]

а чего тогда?

[summer stream]

разраба?

[unborn crest]

гений! как погода на лоды влияет?

[summer stream]

Потому что погода закрывает эту проблему

А так ты сам решай это, исследуя другие моды

[unborn crest]

да но это убогое решение когда после 500 метров уже туман ну бред
и то даже с обычной погодой можно заметить эти белые текстуры в некоторое время и погоду при обычной игре

[summer stream]

Сборка сделана под осень/весну
А ты ставишь лето

[unborn crest]

че сам решай? ты хоть видел что мне отвечали?
тут уже объяснили причину проблемы и ее возможное решение

[unborn crest]

че бл?
какую растительность не ставь будет эта белизна
при чем тут растительность?
у тебя взаимосвязи норм работают?

[summer stream]

Да

[unborn crest]

так весна тоже зеленая и у меня и есть весна скорее кстати

[summer stream]

Окак
Чёт я такой весны не видел

[unborn crest]

хотя вообще в сборке осень основная так то

[unborn crest]

ты в пустыне живешь?

[summer stream]

Нет, в городе

[unborn crest]

а ну ясно, видимо природы даже не видел...

бывает

[summer stream]

Бля и с кем я говорю..

Дед попей таблетки

[unborn crest]

че ты несешь старый?

ты вообще гений, начал срач по поводу моего графона которого даже не видел

[summer stream]

Ну с первого взгляда он не очень хороший

[unborn crest]

I tried reinstalling grass tweaks in the fall version, but there are still white terrane textures.

[naive snow]

You need to make sure that the level files aren't being overridden by anything else. You can check for conflicts in your MO2

[unborn crest]

no, I checked the files of this mod.
and some of the textures are correct, but for some locations they are still white.

[naive snow]

Did you check what the texture looked like in your MO2?

[unborn crest]

Yes, I've looked at the grass tweaks files.

For example, one is correct, the other is still white.

[naive snow]

I meant in your Outliner, on the right side, what's the last mod writting to the gamedata/levels/the name of your levels

Aydinn's might not have all the maps done, could be a possibility. I don't even recognize what that map is on the right

[unborn crest]

On the right is yantar

[naive snow]

Is that part of some mod like extra levels? Ah

[undone spruce]

Have your maps rotated

[naive snow]

This is what I have for Yantar. Guess Aydinn never did that one

[unborn crest]

So he just didn't make all the terranes.

[naive snow]

Maybe or he did them in different season presets, you could try reinstalling it to pick a diffrent season to see if they've been done

[unborn crest]

no

[unborn crest]

I've tried all the options, and unfortunately it looks like Aydin hasn't made new terrain textures for all the maps.

is it possible to find all the textures anywhere else?

[naive snow]

I don't think anyone else bothered making those. Maybe C-Con, but I highly doubt it

You could also have a look at the various texture packs like ATO or Rotten Life

[unborn crest]

They don't have the required textures from the levels folder.

[naive snow]

Then you're out of luck as far as I'm aware. Make your own mod and make them

[unborn crest]

perhaps the only thing left to do is create my own mod
At least now I fully understand the cause of this problem, and I know how it could be solved (so maybe I'll have a desire to fix it myself, but not now... )

[quasi narwhal]

yep, I think no one has ever done those

like, I think Aydins just included one from CoC or something

it's one of those things no one used to notice because fog would cover that texture 99% of the time

but Ascii has plans to rework the way ground textures work afaik

I think we'll end up having just ground textures and LODs after that

[naive snow]

Oh yeah I saw the list from Hippo the other day

[quasi narwhal]

imho best thing to do right now is use the files from aydins autumn as a temporary fix + use ssfx_terrain_quality 40 so that it uses the LODs the farthest it can

you'll barely see the terrain texture after that, even with less fog

[naive snow]

I'll check which maps hasn't had a version made and probably try and do them myself whenever I've got time. In a month's time

[quasi narwhal]

btw feel free to join the server i sent you the invite for, i'll give u the perms there
that's where we ping Huh 5x a day to ask stupid questions

[naive snow]

I don't know if I can handle the sheer brain rot I witnessed in the ccon thread

Y'all proper degenerates

[lilac ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-to-stop-gif-9416155803997449261

[quasi narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333905342844764251/1390371489156563065/nug.gif

[quasi narwhal]

man you should see that server then.... it's uhhhhh... kinda fucked up sometimes ngl

it's all fun and games 'til pipnik starts prompting AI to generate furry images

[naive snow]

As much as I could use some stupid content to take my mind off things, I don't want to lose my actual mind

[quasi narwhal]

it's nice cause in one thread you'll have a decent, intelligent discussion about something pretty complex
then you switch to another thread and babegg is spamming twerking gifs....

[lilac ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/average-conversation-in-this-server-discord-server-donowall-ignored-gif-2054677438560113125

[naive snow]

I've got notary appointments today, so I'll probably have a bit of time before moving day, I'll join then

[summer stream]

"BOTTOM TEXT"

[naive snow]

Huh Yantar do be dark as shit, Aydiin actually made the proper texture

[unborn crest]

fact

[humble parrot]

Hi guys, does anyone know if its possible to change the static magnification on the 2.8 ACOG? I'd like to have it at 3.5 or 4x but got no idea where to look

[weary root]

if you still have sdk editors\rawdata\textures\terrain

[main plover]

Are those maps downloadable?

[naive snow]

Oh yeah I might be running ATO, that could explain it

[weary root]

?

[naive snow]

The map files? They're straight from Anomaly

[naive snow]

I'm loading textures from my Gamma install, so those would be from ATO on my end

[weary root]

blender loads texture from level/terrain/terrain_x_,dds as terrain texture not proper files

buut in sdk you have proper colored files

if you still have that one kryiron shared

[naive snow]

Yeah just checked the file path used in blender, shame I thought Pavel would have made a blending shader at this point for previewing the masks

[naive snow]

Yeah I still have it somewhere hopefully, I haven't modded in a while and had to do a bit of a cleanup

@weary root btw maybe you know, how's the flora variation being done by Ascii? Is it a noise texture that defines the patch or a new texture being loaded overlayed with the masks?

I want to try back again the NPC paths thing since I'll hopefully be able to drive the color/size

[weary root]

i think noise texture since you can scale it

[languid canopy]

anyone here know what mod adds the underbarrel gl to gamma?

[naive snow]

Ah so the same for every map then?

[naive snow]

Which one? For what weapon?

[weary root]

i think yes

[languid canopy]

the 40mm underbarrel gl im going to script in a shrapnel/shotgun ammo for it

but its impossible to find out which mod its added in

[unborn crest]

WOW
I want this for all maps, do I need a sdk or what?

[weary root]

i can send here ones that are missing in aydin if you tell me which ones you need

no point in downloading 20gb of crap for 3-5textures

[unborn crest]

true,although perhaps I would like to have the SDK in stock, but not now.

[unborn crest]

Can you just send textures for all the maps?

[lilac ibex]

vertex shader

its a hash function

deffer_grass.ps - line 136
deffer_grass.vs - line 162

[weary root]

i can try

[pine hatch]

[unborn crest]

DP-27 !?!?

[pine hatch]

yep
now available on moddb

[unborn crest]

is this a separate mod, or part of a pack?

[summer stream]

(он не знает)

[unborn crest]

да прикинь я не чекаю каждый мод на моддб пермаментно

[summer stream]

Да не это

[unborn crest]

а вообще я видел уже дп-27 на аномали в swp, но там он был немного хуже по качеству

[unborn crest]

что же тогда я не знаю? интересно

[pine hatch]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/dp27

[unborn crest]

да нашел я уже...

[summer stream]

Ты там ниче не заметил?

[pine hatch]

да ты заебал

[summer stream]

увы

[pine hatch]

чё там блия?

[summer stream]

[pine hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986497966107947049/1319016504246669394/RDT_20241217_2341055755542884020939763.gif

[unborn crest]

и хули?

[summer stream]

А ниче

Хуй через плечо

[pine hatch]

@summer stream с тебя на будущее ебануть текстурки для свч
а ещё дай мне текстуры камуляжа побратске

[languid canopy]

JSRS adds the m209 effects as well as the vog no clue who adds the attachment tho

[summer stream]

Он меня и так трогает

[pine hatch]

[summer stream]

Я сижу делаю

[pine hatch]

покажи где тебя этот дядя трогает?

[languid canopy]

goin to pull that script and use it as a base for the new round

[summer stream]

Да

[languid canopy]

hopefully thats the right one

[pine hatch]

these effects are also present in vanilla anomaly,
jsrs and other sound mods for guns only change sounds for them, set layers for the echo of the explosion, and also make a mono channel for these sounds

[languid canopy]

so i should just pull the script straight from anoamly

[pine hatch]

not a script
this is all written in the .ltx configs
(more specifically, you can look through the jsrs file structure and see there individual layers in the sound_layers folder and the sound config in weapon_sound.ltx)
you can find lines related to m209 and use their template to add an effect for vog

more specifically - dltx

[pine hatch]

dude, these are caliber parameters

[languid canopy]

im pulling script to change how the round works in game ik thats caliber parameters lmfao

like what

[pine hatch]

but you are talking about jsrs which is generally a sound addon

[languid canopy]

was looking for the mod that adds underbarrel gl's but realised i could just change how the round works in game to create my own underbarrel shotgun

[pine hatch]

create an under-barrel grenade with the same operating principle as a 12-gauge

[languid canopy]

yessir

[pine hatch]

[languid canopy]

some retards said it couldn't be done so Im do it

[pine hatch]

But you will need a script to change the logic of grenade launchers in order to implement the ammo parameter for grenade launchers
otherwise you will receive a single-shot under-barrel shotgun

[languid canopy]

it will be a single shot shrapnel m209 round

[pine hatch]

oh, well, if so then fine

[languid canopy]

trust the process brother I won't disappoint

[pine hatch]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1231639039799464036.png?size=160&name=my+man

[pine hatch]

In general, you can replace the “old” m209 with a new version
so that you don’t have to separately register weapons in the configs (and there are a lot of them)
new ammo

[languid canopy]

im going to make a new folder for it so it can be easily installed from moddb

just pulling script for a base most of it will change

[pine hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[languid canopy]

[pine hatch]

so, just cook dud

just cook

[fair canopy]

[fair granite]

the codes that dictates how much damage a mutant takes on a headshot are on grok_bo, right?

like these

[pine hatch]

u cook too man
and like, did you seriously make separate icons to display sights on weapons?

[blissful marsh]

Greetings fellow staklers, how is it hanging ?

Ive been watching F.E.A.R. and thinking.... would it be possible to implement G.O.A.P. (goal orientated action planning) ???

that would be F sweet

In addition, I have noticed in WarFare thgere are too many "cap points" which leads to (at least in my oppinion) crowded zones and game needing to spawn many npcs to cap said points and can lead to system drag and affects performance the longer one plays...

[lilac ibex]

yes

https://github.com/themrdemonized/xray-monolith - source code
lmk when you're done, i wanna see another goap implementation in xray

[pine hatch]

rudiments of GOAP if in A-Life but has a different idea

[pine hatch]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1231639039799464036.png?size=160&name=my+man

[blissful marsh]

I would suggest: 3 types of cap points, 1: base to trade, spawn, etc. 2: outposts, for every base perhaps 3 outposts in strategic places to control the parameter, 3: forward observatories to give visibility and lift the fog of war and scout enemies and mutants

[pine hatch]

wait...... goap in ix-ray?

[blissful marsh]

some parts dude said

nice but I would love to see its potential 😉

[lilac ibex]

yeah and large soda + salsa

[pine hatch]

It may sound a little stupid, but you can roughly take the behavior from the “gang war” and partially integrate it into the story game
but also make sure that this happens without the participation of the player and with restrictions

[crisp burrow]

Hi!
Does anyone know what to write in the script to play a random audio track from the provided ones, instead of one specific one? Maybe someone has a mod with such a function? I would like to see how it works there myself. Unfortunately, I just haven't found such a thing😰

[blissful marsh]

well in gamma warfare works in icraments of 1-1,5h

than crash

[lilac ibex]

i suggest to implement basic goap, show some progress - then maybe you will find more coders willing to work on it

maybe isobolevski (xray2ue) guy can help you

[blissful marsh]

Nice man, I would love to help but im not that learned in tom coding

[lilac ibex]

rip goap then

[blissful marsh]

i can do script and configs

that basicly micro word 😉

[fair canopy]

Yes

[blissful marsh]

and lear as well

learn*

[fair inlet]

There's a callback for hud sounds added recently to demonized exes

[blissful marsh]

Ill need to find a dude who would know this stuff

perhaps I know one...

[lilac ibex]

RU community has a bunch of talented engine coders

[crisp burrow]

blyaa 4to eto 3na4it😰

[fair inlet]

[crisp burrow]

если я в ltx вот так запишу оно сработает(не сработает.)? или надо отдельный ltx создавать для названий звуков?
[stimulator_sounds]
snd_1 = interface\item_usage\stimulator_use
snd_2 = interface\item_usage\stimulator_use1
snd_3 = interface\item_usage\stimulator_use2
snd_4 = interface\item_usage\stimulator_use3
shuffle = rnd

snd = stimulator_sounds

я чето уже пятую версию пробую и ниче не работает(

[blissful marsh]

But comrade, I do not know ruskie 😉

[lilac ibex]

then you're stuck with original AI /s
don't look for excuses ||/s|| DeepL exists - and it works pretty well

[blissful marsh]

whats that my man, in not deep in to coding

[lilac ibex]

https://www.deepl.com/

[crisp burrow]

https://laratranslate.com/

дипл гавно

а вообще лучше в google ai studio у gemini 2.5 pro спросить

https://aistudio.google.com/prompts/new_chat

[crimson salmon]

normal looks like this because of it lol

[crisp burrow]

бля может я чето не понимаю? может я не в том чате спрашиваю? может вам тут похуй всем на зелёных боровичков вроде меня? куда мне обратиться, чтоб мне хоть раз помогли? или я хуйню спрашиваю? тип это очевидно и я просто безмозглый

[pine hatch]

[lilac ibex]

???

[pine hatch]

daym

[lilac ibex]

ask ru questions on an en server
then be surprised that not everyone understands your language
man, you linked some AI translator - just use it

[crisp burrow]

chel ti...
ya na angliyskom sprosil. ti ugaraesh?

[crisp burrow]

.

[lilac ibex]

da ya vizhu

https://tenor.com/view/fact-fact-checked-alien-fakt-zheked-true-gif-818054962495396425

[crisp burrow]

oi blya... uchitivaya chto dlya etogo okazivaetsya nyzhno script propisivat' otdelniy - ne pohui li che ya tam napisal? ili code tozhe napisаn na fuckin ruski?

[undone spruce]

thats not normal

i mean it is, but

[crimson salmon]

how

[crisp burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093571333054546064/1370286026727231508/togif.gif

[undone spruce]

it look like something is imprinting color on the normal map

actually let me see

ok, it´s not

thats actually fine

[crimson salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-cat-floppy-cat-with-gun-threatening-gun-shot-gif-4877279014428464922

[undone spruce]

the thing is, the resolution is too low and the details are too fine, i don't think it'll be a problem in game anyways

[crimson salmon]

okej

[undone spruce]

its a 2k map, so thats probably fine as it is

[crimson salmon]

ight

[naive snow]

You're applying a world space normal on a tangeant space normal map, that's why it's looking broken and off

[stiff canyon]

with SSS 23 now supporting TAA, does this make a DLSS or FSR mod possible in any way now?

[naive snow]

Not right now, but it's a planned addition to futur version of SSS

[stiff canyon]

ah, nice!

I assume upscaler only?

[naive snow]

probably no frame gen

[stiff canyon]

yeah imo that would be out of scope for SSS but DLSS 4 upscaling would be killer

[lilac ibex]

yes

it takes ~30 minutes to implement dlss/fsr

(w/o scaling ofc)

you will need to scale mv properly (FSR has a motionVectorScale param)

https://github.com/ixray-team/ixray-1.6-stcop - DLSS and FSR, since 2024 ||copy&paste won't work.||

[summer stream]

[lilac ibex]

i successfully implemented fsr in modded exes. its not worth it at native resolution 🤷‍♂️

indeed, it looks better on thin geometry (wires/grass), and it's much slower than your average taa

[summer stream]

makes sense

i saw like one of the person that works at multithreading engine trying to implement it

he said it's not worth it

[lilac ibex]

if you can't hit 60fps without upscaler - you suck 🤷‍♂️

[summer stream]

nah it was just FSR

w/out upscaler

[lilac ibex]

v2 is too smart to use random ass upscalers xd

[summer stream]

that wasnt v2 but the one who paid for the work

[lilac ibex]

and the one who paid for the work doesn't know a lot about modding

[summer stream]

that's right

[lilac ibex]

fixing core issues with dlss

that's how you spot an idiot / nvidia fanboy

[summer stream]

that dude is amd user btw

the one who paid

also fun part accured on the npc side while using it

[lilac ibex]

ixr runs so well i dont even use fsr
taa is more than enough for me

[summer stream]

some npc's had NAN coordinates in them

resulting in absolute massacre on fps

calculating bones of a model that just doesn't exist

150 miliseconds to process it and giving you perfect 4 fps

isnt that beautiful

anyways time to fuck around with UV map because this BF2042 gun had the fucking textures inverted on vertical

[lilac ibex]

dlss can fix it

make sure to suggest it 5000 times

[summer stream]

v2 fixed it anyways

he gave me the test build that fixed those issues

[lilac ibex]

yeah but a*e is a virus, goger

[crimson salmon]

this is exported from substance painter how do i fix

[summer stream]

[lilac ibex]

and its CLOSED source!!!!!!!

[summer stream]

errr....

my argument :

[lilac ibex]

like making it open source changes anything...

[summer stream]

you dont own an air fryer

[summer stream]

ixray is open source but for some reason no tried to implement it

WHAT

[lilac ibex]

yeh, thats what im talking about

"taa is closed source" - bitch, i left the code in ixr repo

[summer stream]

but you're too dumb to implement it

ah

what a beauty

and four fucking UDIM tiles
i'm gonna kill myself (i love bf2042)

[crimson salmon]

bf2042 svch lowk buns

svch from cod is better

[summer stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986497966107947049/1319016504246669394/RDT_20241217_2341055755542884020939763.gif

i can take it from there

would be easier but dude said use BF2042

[crimson salmon]

why

lmao

[naive snow]

How did you make the threading pattern?

[summer stream]

he's an idiot

@pine hatch далпаеп лучше бы взяли из каладуду

я бы не ебался тут

also the textures was inverted on vertical so i had to do the same on original one

[naive snow]

You can probably recombine them into a single UDIM without any overlaps

[crimson salmon]

uhhh i put the patern in mask on a fill layer with lower height and then i did height to normal

[crimson salmon]

yup

theres a app for this

[summer stream]

i can do so

but i did it manually

[crimson salmon]

search up like substance painter texture combiner

[summer stream]

i have one problem :

this shit is old

[naive snow]

You don't need that, just do it in Blender and reexport your fbx

[crimson salmon]

i exported normal in dx

[naive snow]

Your height is probably too strong or your normal output from the height to normal went wrong

[crimson salmon]

alright ill lower it

[summer stream]

should i touch any of that

[naive snow]

Depends of whats in your scene, do you need to have only the selected objects?

[summer stream]

yea, and also i need to combine the UDIM

so i don't need to force myself on doing stuff like doing each thm files

[naive snow]

Just go into the UV layout view and move them back to the first 0-1 UV space

Use the transform option to snap them to 0-1

They should all overlay one another without overdrawing

[summer stream]

uhhh

i may be dumb

[naive snow]

Send me your FBX and I'll do it alongside you, I don't have a gun or example to show you right now

[summer stream]

yeah sure

[naive snow]

is the scope meant to be part of the same model? or will it have its own texture?

[summer stream]

it has its own texture

[naive snow]

So what are you trying to combine?

[summer stream]

base

base 01 and base 02

both r chunky as hell

(base 02 is in 4k)

[crimson salmon]

this better?

[summer stream]

i'm also gonna kms

the dude which ported that model

had it mirrored on Y Axis

[crimson salmon]

lmaoaoaoa

where did u get it

[summer stream]

fucking l4d2

[crimson salmon]

WHY L4D2

[summer stream]

im gonna kill vitalik

[naive snow]

Some engines have upside down coordinates for the Y, that happens

[summer stream]

fucking model from bf2042 comes in ebx

[naive snow]

It's trivial to fix

[crimson salmon]

ts shi sucks

[summer stream]

ts pmo

[crimson salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-cat-floppy-cat-with-gun-threatening-gun-shot-gif-4877279014428464922

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/тряска-не-трясись-причина-тряски-щенок-дрожь-gif-2950925051314759174

[sonic bolt]

Would I need permission from Dux to make a mod that changes the current player models?

[naive snow]

@summer stream Just select the tiles in your UV Editing, move roughly with the move tool, open up the small move at the bottom with the drop down, just move according to the number of tiles -1, -2 ,-3 ,etc
Do it for every tile, and voila

[summer stream]

aight thanks, ill do that to the textures

[naive snow]

Re-export and do whatever you want

[summer stream]

danke

[summer stream]

just realized that normal sucks

[crimson salmon]

yeah

bf2042 is buns

[summer stream]

i want to use

mw3 so badly

this shit sucks ⛓️‍💥

[crimson salmon]

this shwat my svch reciever looks like baking

lowk looks way better

[summer stream]

lowk did this 💔

[crimson salmon]

what enviroment map you use for baking?

[summer stream]

fully white one

[crimson salmon]

how

[summer stream]

i low exposure for it to look better

[crimson salmon]

send me

[summer stream]

i made it?

[crimson salmon]

full white

[summer stream]

here ya go

[crimson salmon]

earlier i was using soft 1 low contrast 2 backs

[summer stream]

put it down this way : Documents\Allegorithmic\Substance Painter\shelf\environments

[crimson salmon]

lemme try it rn

[crimson salmon]

heres the difference

[summer stream]

yep

that's MUCH better

[crimson salmon]

i lowk prefer my way

[summer stream]

[crimson salmon]

ill see what it looks like in game

[summer stream]

yours add more depth

mine bakes on details
rest is being made by bump

ak made this way

[crimson salmon]

iwp textures for referene

reference

i thin in my way itll fit into iwp more

[summer stream]

your choice

[crimson salmon]

im like trying to do a vanilla + weapon pack so i think itll be better that way

[summer stream]

btw you can make your own enviroment map

[crimson salmon]

yeah

they are like just images right?

[summer stream]

exr

made it via photoshop

[crimson salmon]

Okay

ill try making my own

maybe ill even ask lead iwp dev if they could share the enviroment map

not sure if they will

[summer stream]

na u will be fine

i got banned there anyways

but i know a lot of good guys from there, so they will give you one

[crimson salmon]

how lol

porting iwp weapons?

[crimson salmon]

a guy there taught me how to bake

bassically taught me where to look for models/textures

[summer stream]

nah nah

showed a guide how to make proper bump map to frosty

[crimson salmon]

bruhhhhhhhhh

[summer stream]

[crimson salmon]

heres the finished textures btew

[summer stream]

looks very nice

[crimson salmon]

yes

[summer stream]

can i have i- nah jk jk

[crimson salmon]

thanks

[summer stream]

btw that texture does look good

ngl

[crimson salmon]

i can give you the textures just credit me, ill have to do some textures for like rails or some bs

for tactical

[summer stream]

if u want to

[crimson salmon]

when im done

[summer stream]

i'll try to find some proper animations on that bulky boy

[crimson salmon]

im btw the uhh

charging handle can be swapped

to right side

or left

irl

im keeping it on left so i can edit anims to look cooler

[crimson salmon]

it isnt that bulky

i mightve screwed the size

illl make the rest of the textures for it

like the mag

[summer stream]

i hate this gun so much

[crimson salmon]

it looks so buns tbh

[summer stream]

true mate

[crimson salmon]

bf2042 models are weirddd

i looked at the am17 there

its the newer ver that went into production

the picatinny rails in bf2042 are ugly

[summer stream]

so fucking true

time to remake the bumps

[crimson salmon]

wish you luck

[summer stream]

metallic on normal is easy

insanity

[crimson salmon]

bruh

[summer stream]

absolutely sucks

alright finally

bullet

[undone spruce]

galvanized steel casing

[summer stream]

[crimson salmon]

chukervin

[summer stream]

chuvak

i hate it

[crimson salmon]

it looks so ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[summer stream]

goofy iron sights

[crimson salmon]

just take the one from mw3

[crisp burrow]

даааа! я поборол эту хуйню!
вот как заставить воcпроизовить случайный звук напримере трех стимуляторов, которым я прописал выбирать случайный звук из 4ех.
"random sound" для поиска, если кому это тоже понадобится. Инглишмэны - just use translator

Нужно прописать отдельный скрипт под это дело:

local stim_sounds = {
"interface\item_usage\stimulator_use",
"interface\item_usage\stimulator_use1",
"interface\item_usage\stimulator_use2",
"interface\item_usage\stimulator_use3"
}

local stimpack_sections = {
["stimpack"] = true,
["stimpack_army"] = true,
["stimpack_scientic"] = true
}

local function on_item_use(item)
if not item then
return
end

local section = item:section()

if stimpack_sections[section] then
    local random_sound_path = stim_sounds[math.random(#stim_sounds)]
    
    if db.actor then
        local snd = sound_object(random_sound_path)
        snd:play_at_pos(db.actor, db.actor:position(), 0, sound_object.s2d)
    end
end

end

function on_game_start()
RegisterScriptCallback("actor_on_item_use", on_item_use)
end

[crimson salmon]

try baking my way

it could look slightly better that way

[summer stream]

lazy

[sudden inlet]

Как будто это хочется вынести в лтх конфиги и там настраивать, а в коде просто проигрывать звуки когда нужно

[crisp burrow]

у меня не получилось найти как это сделать исключительно в рамках конфига

тут никто не подсказал

[sudden inlet]

Вроде нужна структура типо такой

[stimpack]
stimulator_use
stimulator_use1
stimulator_use2
stimulator_use3

[stimpack_army]
...

А потом просто тянешь весь лтх и с ним потом работаешь как с любой другой.
Тут вообще вариантов примерно 100500 как можно сделать

[crisp burrow]

у меня так почему то не работало

[naive snow]

Fix the normals and adjust that bump and you'll have a pretty decent looking riffle

[crisp burrow]

я как только не пробовал

[summer stream]

that normal sucks BUNS

[naive snow]

No I mean the surface normal, not the one you put in the bump.

[summer stream]

surface..normal

[sudden inlet]

Сори, неправильно прочитал твой ответ
Я просто про то, чтобы в конфигах хранить информацию для каких предметов какие звуки, а в коде самому читать конфиги и их проигрывать

[celest forge]

The humble rifle made out of clay:

[naive snow]

Alright, so you know vertex have a normal direction? Like faces do. Right? Things like soft edges, face weighted, hard edges?

[summer stream]

face weighted, soft edges..

so stuff like this

[naive snow]

Those are creases no?

[crisp burrow]

это да) это я тесщу) плюс там баг небольшой, который мне в падлу фиксить. в анимацию стимулятора уже вшит звук и если подавать звук скриптом, без строки snd, то вопроизводится паралельно еще и звук из анимации

[summer stream]

basically here is vertexes

what the hell am i supposed to do with them

so they wont look like absolute buns

[naive snow]

Hold up, let me load back up your riffle

[sudden inlet]

Звук скорее всего задается в конфиге этого айтема и наверняка его можно выпилить через dltx

[naive snow]

Actually, the face normals are pretty well done, whomever made them knows his shit

[summer stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986497966107947049/1319016504246669394/RDT_20241217_2341055755542884020939763.gif

[naive snow]

So just fix the bump map, maybe play around with a baked ambient occlusion map and composite it on top and you'll have something pretty decent

[crisp burrow]

В конфиге ничего(
Я вот специально тишину поставил, чтобы он ее воспроизводил, а не стандартный звук шприца. А сам звук уже скриптом

![stimpack]
anm = item_rmk_stimpack
snd = ambient\silence
anm = item_rmk_stimpack
cam = itemuse_anm_effects\apteka.anm
tm = 2000
helm = true

![stimpack_army]:stimpack
anm = item_rmk_stimpack_army

![stimpack_scientic]:stimpack
anm = item_rmk_stimpack_scientic

[summer stream]

uhhh

sir

there is no AO

[naive snow]

Just make one

[summer stream]

https://tenor.com/view/done-enough-serious-seatbelt-neck-gif-16791786

and put it into Y channel

[naive snow]

You can do it in blender even if you want

[summer stream]

yea?

[summer stream]

ok that's interesting

[naive snow]

Nah, just multiply your base color with it

[summer stream]

oh ok

ima do that rq

[sudden inlet]

Ну вот про это поле с тишиной, да, че еще остается.
А ты случайно не смотрел в код, может в это поле можно сразу несколько звуков пихать уже?

[crisp burrow]

В конфиге? Я пробовал и через запятую и отдельной группой их создавать и нифига(

[summer stream]

poor
poor magazine.

[sudden inlet]

Ниче не понял ) Если звук тишины работает, то это максимум что можно сделать

(Ну можно еще движок переписать чтобы он несколько звуков там принимал )

[naive snow]

Make sure you're baking the right texture to the right material

[crisp burrow]

Удивительно вообще, что он так не умеет. Я уверен был, что это просто

[summer stream]

rest is fine

only magazine is dying

yea for some reason magazine is fucked

[sudden inlet]

Слушай, а может ты как раз заинтересован такое сделать? )
Сорцы то вон есть, пару строчек напишешь, вмержишь и все будут балдеть от новых звуков

[naive snow]

If you're using Cycles, make sure you have a cage setup

[crisp burrow]

Ненене, куда мне)) Я лошпед распоследнейший) Я умею только спиздить у кого то и переделать)

[summer stream]

это уже все моды на скалкер

[crisp burrow]

ревёрс инжиниринг

[sudden inlet]

Та я те отвечаю, там ваще легко будет
Тем более там скорее всего реально пару строчек

[crisp burrow]

да блен😰 а че делать то? я даже первого шага не представляю

[sudden inlet]

Ну надо найти как используется поле snd .
Если звук чисто в скриптах проигрывается - вообще лафа, чисто туда добавить поддержку нескольких звуков
А если в движке еще какие-то махинации есть, то там тоже поддержку добавить

[crisp burrow]

А как узнать то?😰 Я в такие дебри не залазил никогда. Даже гайдов не читал никаких(

[summer stream]

@naive snow stupid question, but is there a way to combine normal and normaldetail?

[naive snow]

In photoshop or substance, yeah

[summer stream]

so i need to work with photoshop, dang

that will be so much fun

[naive snow]

I guess you could also do it in blender?

[summer stream]

also here is the difference between two :

one is 512x512, other is in 4k

[sudden inlet]

Ну короче открываешь vscode или n++ в папке со скриптами и ищешь в поиске где snd забирается из секции, что-то типо ini:get_string(section, 'snd') или ini:get_string_ex(section, 'snd')

А так, и текущее твое решение тоже балдеж если что

[summer stream]

so i either need to cope or somehow bake it using blender

[naive snow]

resolution doesn't matter, what's the end result you want? 4k or 512?

[summer stream]

uhhh

4k

or 2k just in case

[crisp burrow]

Попробую сейчас поглядеть) Спасибо😊

[naive snow]

Then you'll have to stretch the low res map pretty darn big
Either way, this node setup is mathematically somewhat correct

[summer stream]

now another question

how do i get that normal out of blender

into png or tga

[naive snow]

If you're using substance painter, it would be much easier

[summer stream]

i do have it

but it's

pretty old to begin with

[crisp burrow]

суко.

[summer stream]

still can be used

[naive snow]

Substance does additive normals like a champ and it's much easier to get shit out of there

[summer stream]

well let's try that then

the main question still raised, how to combine normal and normal detail

IN substance painter

because i'm a complete idiot to begin with and only worked with normals, but not detail maps

[naive snow]

Just load one as the base mesh normal, add the other as a texture ressource and put it in a fill layer

detail normals are the same as normal...normals

[summer stream]

but just adds more details to it, right?

[summer stream]

oh that

that works too

thanks burn

[naive snow]

We just refer to them as ''detail'' normals because they usually only contain small detail, creases, pinches or bumps

They can be omitted on low-end platform since they only add detail up close

You wouldn't see skin pores from afar after all

[summer stream]

oh yeah about that

that's from cyberpunk

[crimson salmon]

Ao goes in green of bump

[summer stream]

so that makes A LOT
a lot of sense

yes

it goes in green

[crimson salmon]

okay good

[summer stream]

as burn said previously

[crimson salmon]

it now looks like this

[summer stream]

R - roughness/specular/metalness (or roughness mixed with metalness)
G - green channel (ao, to be simple, or just plain white like tarkov ones)
B - blue channel
A - red channel

[crimson salmon]

roughness inverted dont forget

[summer stream]

i uhh

never did that

since i mix it with metalness

[naive snow]

No, if anything you want it to multiply the red channel

Don't do the green channel, it's for the normal map

[summer stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986497966107947049/1319016504246669394/RDT_20241217_2341055755542884020939763.gif

wait what

[crimson salmon]

i dont get it

[summer stream]

i always thought it went into green channel

mine was always white or had AO

never tried to apply AO to the red channel

[naive snow]

You want to reduce the specular where there's no ''light' so you'd make the specular channel darker in those areas

[crimson salmon]

aaaah

makes sense

[naive snow]

If you start adding the AO to the green channel, you're shifting the whole normal map orientation

[lilac ibex]

[naive snow]

Unless I've gone insane and forgotten how bump maps are composited

[lilac ibex]

R - roughness/specular/metalness (or roughness mixed with metalness)
G - green channel (ao, to be simple, or just plain white like tarkov ones)
B - blue channel
A - red channel

r - ur specular
g - normal z (not AO)
b - normal y 
a - normal x

its plain white in tarkov cause you reconstruct Z from XY

[summer stream]

alright that's

[summer stream]

and Z is just plain white

[summer stream]

pretty good

i can't lie

[naive snow]

R - Gloss/Specular
G - Blue Channel of your normal map (or Z+)
B - Green Channel of your normal map (-Y of DX, +Y of OpenGL)
A - Red Channel of your normal map (+X)

[summer stream]

shit adds so many details i died

[lilac ibex]

yep, and thats incorrect for stalker unless you do reconstruction in pixel shader

[naive snow]

I might have messed up the Y +-

[summer stream]

man i'm so fucking confused

how does correct Y suppose to look like

[naive snow]

No it's meant to be your normalized z...

[lilac ibex]

vec3 normal;
normal.xy = normal_tex.xy * 2.0 - 1.0; //-1 - 1 range
normal.z = sqrt(1.0-dot(normal.xy, normal.xy)); //reconstruct Z

probably dot needs to be clamped (sqrt shits itself with neg/nan values)

[summer stream]

but what if my Z is just black

[naive snow]

It will never be black

It shouldn't ever be black

at most it will be a grey

[summer stream]

well uhhh
these are black

[naive snow]

0.16 linear or something

[summer stream]

(they have black channels)

(at Z)

[naive snow]

Then you're missing one channel of your normal map

[lilac idol]

just invert the channel

[lilac ibex]

xd

[naive snow]

The angle will look off when hit with lighitng because the tangeant will be broken

[summer stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212847167073550387/1388504688420323498/attachment.gif

[lilac ibex]

ain't reading allat. write simple macro to generate Z from X&Y

[lilac idol]

it will be back to normal, at least that's how it was with fallout

[summer stream]

we doin' that then

lemme just compile my brain to even do macro on it

my ass never really worked a lot with scripts

[crimson salmon]

what if regenerate normal using uhhh substance?

[naive snow]

Just recomposite your X/Y and run it through Xnormal's normalized filter, that'll spit you out the missing channel

[summer stream]

man this shi gonna make me go insane

but it will make me do stuff much better

time to get this thing on my pc

[naive snow]

You'll get the photoshop filters out of it

[summer stream]

i saw it

one problem

[naive snow]

Welcome to 91' with that interface

[summer stream]

my photoshop is portable

[summer stream]

(that means some stuff can't properly save)

[naive snow]

You can use this on a normal map missing it's z channel :

[summer stream]

[naive snow]

Just repackage it afterwards in your bump

[summer stream]

holy shit that 2013 TAKES A TON OF TIME TO INSTALL

[summer stream]

i'ma just make a new one no worries

amazing

holy shit that UI IS S OFUCKING OLD

[naive snow]

Told you, 91'

[summer stream]

i love it

[naive snow]

You can right off close it, there's some cool utilities in there, but it's old game dev stuff

the normal to cavity is pretty nifty

but you can do it in photoshop too

[summer stream]

the other question is how do i let it appear as a filter in photoshop

since i already told what kinda stuff i had

[naive snow]

Oh it should install automatically, so just restart photoshop

[summer stream]

still uhhh

na

[naive snow]

Otherwise, just open up the install location and find the photoshop_plugins

[summer stream]

found it

time to force feed it

[naive snow]

Dump those in your photoshop plugin folder

[summer stream]

[naive snow]

Yeah you should have them on a restart

[summer stream]

yep

we're all good

now let's see it in action

[naive snow]

the Dilation filter is one of my favorites for icons and anything with an alpha

[summer stream]

noted

so here is Z channel for normal

looks like this

[naive snow]

Something seems to have gone horribly wrong

what was your base normal?

[summer stream]

it is base normal

it's

base normal

i swear

that's how it came

just bloated

[naive snow]

The base file you got looks like this? Pre-filter?

[summer stream]

it looks like this
without any filters n stuff

[naive snow]

Ah they stored the metalness or roughness channel in there

[summer stream]

yes

different engines

[naive snow]

You could do this in pretty much any engine to be honest

So yeah you can clear out that blue channe l

Run the filter and it should fill it back up with some info

[summer stream]

make it like gray?

[naive snow]

White

Ehhh

no gray

sorry

[naive snow]

127/255

[summer stream]

ran it

dang it

gray it is

[naive snow]

Undo that and put it gray, my bad, I forgot it was meant to be gray

[summer stream]

gray'ed

OOOKAY

THAT DID THE WRONG THING HOLY SHI

[naive snow]

Yeah white was correct

[summer stream]

that scared shit out of me

[naive snow]

I haven't messed around with this since 2002

[summer stream]

oh hey

it ACTUALLY added some details

they were less noticable

[naive snow]

Yeah that works

There's your normal

[summer stream]

before/after

yea i'm running this bih now

thank you very much burn