╙🖇mods-making-discussion

[visual carbon]

what i mean is: Anomaly is the base. just overstating if sounded unclear

[misty mulch]

because gamma changes/overhauls/has so many overlapping modded systems

[cunning wigeon]

Well I was planning to make a sub mod of my weapons mod that covers gamma so yeah I really need to learn before I take on like BAS

[visual carbon]

yes, so the modder needs to be aware of that. making the mod overwrite that or even asking for the player to change a mod off if needed.

[misty mulch]

bas is in gamma

[visual carbon]

you're still welcome to show us what u make bud

[visual carbon]

unticked, but true

[misty mulch]

no, it's there

[quasi narwhal]

yo guys, does anyone know how/where I can change the PDA messages/news X axis?
maingame_pda_msg only has each component of the msg individually, I wanted to move the whole thing (preferably via script)

[visual carbon]

unticked by default

at least mine was

[misty mulch]

gamma uses a combination of 2021 BAS + selected guns from 2022+ BAS

[cunning wigeon]

Yeah but gamma also includes some weapons that isn’t in bas right?

[misty mulch]

yes

[visual carbon]

it's there but disabled

[visual carbon]

mine was disabled since install

[misty mulch]

my screenshot is from the most current default gamma installation

[visual carbon]

idk man, i've installed new and fresh this week and it was unticked idk why this matters anyway

[misty mulch]

because @cunning wigeon said he wanted to do gamma as a warm up before tackling bas, to which i replied, "bas is in gamma", to clue him in that gamma is not going to be less work than doing bas

[misty mulch]

soooooo yes bas is in gamma?

gamma uses a combination of 2021 BAS + selected guns from 2022+ BAS

not really sure why this needs to continue

if you expanded the Gameplay section, you'd see 2021 BAS there

[visual carbon]

???? are you okay man? i didn't said it wasn't

[visual carbon]

i only said unticked but true, not that it wasn't there

the base gun pack is the 2021 but most of the patches from external mods are explicit to these other ones that are unticked

in case we enabled them, i'm talking about these only

[cunning wigeon]

No sorry I meant gamma second and then bas sorry

[visual carbon]

even mags redux have such patches

[slow nexus]

[regal bolt]

@random fulcrum
Test #5

First is with, second is without the mod

[random fulcrum]

gahdaym

[slow bolt]

bro the frames

[random fulcrum]

dude trust it was worse before

oleh reported 144 to 100 just by having the mod enabled

geo reported from 30 to 12 just by having the mod enabled

and now there's no ghoulish performance impact

[edgy salmon]

I made a new variant of an existing gun. Can someone help me make it use a modified texture for it please?

[regal bolt]

AW has usually 40 or below for me.

During recording it drops to 25 there casually

That's why I never recorded the barrier defence, as much as I love it

[remote hamlet]

Where would I get a list of npc IDs? I'm trying to spawn a Stalker that has no ai

[orchid wharf]

How can i use weapon stats editor? If i try to use it in game - nothing happens
May be i need to do something?

[random fulcrum]

it saves when it wants to

[worn bobcat]

is it too aggravating that the pack faces differently than the rest

[old berry]

you should probably change the colors of the sides to be darker

[worn bobcat]

never made game icons b4. should probly look at this thing at the actual 50x50 pixel size

[regal bolt]

how could i make the gun look more "longer"? it looks like its from COP or something

[celest forge]

It's the angle

[slow bolt]

What is that supposed to mean

[regal bolt]

how could i make it more like this, what parameters should i play with?

[regal bolt]

angle of what exactly?😅 just cant seem to get it right.

[slow bolt]

well first of all bring it closer to the camera

then turn it to the left a bit

done

[regal bolt]

still looks like a clump of junk in my hands

[slow bolt]

Turn it to the left

Also, every rifle is a clump in your hands

[pulsar flame]

Can anyone send me the IDs of all the pill-based medications in the game?

Looking to make some adjustments to the amount of uses they have for added realism

For example, giving 5 uses to sleeping pills instead of 2 cus there are 10 pills and the player takes 2 at a time

I’ll probably change the prices for them as well

Open to suggestions for that if anyone has any ideas

[slow bolt]

Open debug and write them down

[pulsar flame]

The debug menu?

[slow bolt]

yes

[pulsar flame]

Sure I’ll do that

[pulsar flame]

how do I find the IDs for the medications in the debug menu?

nvm i found it XD

[slow bolt]

this aint the support channel

!support

[queen pine]

@pallid stump If you have a question or need help with G.A.M.M.A., please use the correct channel for your problem:

For vanilla G.A.M.M.A. modlist (this means that your modlist is unchanged and untouched): #🔨base-gamma-support

For custom G.A.M.M.A. modlists (this includes mods added by yourself and also mods that are disabled by default in G.A.M.M.A.: #🔨modded-gamma-support

If you are having issues with the installer, or with your G.A.M.M.A. installation: #1026866080347603065

Any other channel ARE NOT support channels. If your question is a support question, you may be asked to go to the proper channel.

[hoary sorrel]

Can someone help me unpack the .db files?

I'd like to import the meshes into Blender.

Problem:

• When using "db_unpacker_all.bat" with admin privileges, it creates an empty "_unpacked" folder in System32.
  Console Message:
• "a subdirectory or file ._upacked already exists. Press any key to continue..."
  What I've tried:
• Editing the .bat file by redirecting the location but it just won't unpack the files using the converter. Changing the location where the folder gets created, but still empty.
• Disabling Antivirus and setting exlusion for the entire game folder.

[slow bolt]

In system32? What

There ain't no way built in unpacker in tools section doesn't work for ya

[hoary sorrel]

I can show you lol

@slow bolt DM'd you

[slow bolt]

Don't open with admin privileges?

Paths in the bat probably are relative

So if opened with admin it would try to do its job in system32 by default. Weird

[hoary sorrel]

@slow bolt I cannot believe this

It worked

I'm gonna go die now

[slow bolt]

Bruh

[hoary sorrel]

I'm so used to opening everything with admin

[pallid stump]

hey can anyone help me get my custom audio files to play correctly in game? related to something about ogg comments and SAVandT whatever those two things are

[slow nexus]

wat de fuc

cant you just copy another pack and skew your pack image over the other one

its not that hard

[worn bobcat]

yea probly idk what im doin

[slow nexus]

ere

[misty mulch]

https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/sdk/sound-editor.html this link probably gets you marginally lcoser

[misty mulch]

https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/modding-tools/savandt.html this is SAVandT, it's a sound editing tool

[slow nexus]

rehehe

xD

[random fulcrum]

does the box read "CRINGE" or is this a "L is real 2401" situation

[slow nexus]

cringe

ill make a mod that just adds a juul to the game

fk all you

takes batteries

buy the pods at traders

xd

[regal bolt]

Isn't it Camel?

[worn bobcat]

im gonna make it say cringe now

[random fulcrum]

oh you're right i do read camel now

[regal bolt]

You know, the brand of cigs that had the aroma filled plastic bubbles in the filter that you could pop so the cig would be in another taste? (Menthol, blueberry, apple. Whatever the fuck they made lol)

[regal bolt]

I believe this is the blueberry pack even lol

Not like IRL, but in game XD

Fuckin' morale boost XD

[worn bobcat]

i need appropriate smokes to go w my estrogen shot before going north of the barrier

[slow bolt]

You see what you want to see

[random fulcrum]

didn't even know about the camel brand honestly

[slow bolt]

This is some rorschach test

[regal bolt]

I mean. It's not really advertising itself out there. It's a cigarette brand

[pallid stump]

Thanks Veerserif!

[slow bolt]

FYI you dont need an sdk

[misty mulch]

yeah check the second link

[pallid stump]

Thanks Screw

[regal bolt]

Hey Mirrowel. Which mod was the fix for geiger counter?

[slow bolt]

fix?

[regal bolt]

Radiation overhau-

[slow bolt]

fix for what?

[regal bolt]

For the Geiger not showing the rad patches

From this mod

[slow bolt]

nah

those are fake radiation areas

[regal bolt]

Not really. They do work

Just are not shown by the geiger counter until you are irradiated af

And that only shows on the body scan

[open oasis]

are you referring to this? #🔨base-gamma-support message

[regal bolt]

Huh. Will check it out. Maybe that'll help me out

[slow bolt]

oh shit i keep forgetting

[small thistle]

I want to replace the hands in the exo PС3 wood suit (something like that), in the console I saw that the suit is called exo_dolg_wood, I searched on this modpack and couldn’t find the config file for this armor and so the question is where else can I look?

[regal bolt]

This is the file that you can find the suit template, but there are multiple files that have it in them that change the stats

Gotta check 'em all I suppose. You can do that with the search engine in Notepad++

[small thistle]

Thank you very much, I'll look in that direction

[astral dome]

We’re achieved a native stalker anomaly 1.5.2 multiplayer.

Base server is a peer to peer, now it’s just supporting 10 players max.

This potentially can properly work with gamma and other modpacks. Videos soon.

[random fulcrum]

wow real cool now imagine the waves of people complaining that gamma doesn't launch and 99% of the cool mods don't work because it's done on edits to the vanilla engine and is gonna be very likely closed source

and that is IF this one is actually real lmfao

57th time's the charm

[astral dome]

Nah bro

We’re using a updated redemonized fork of the engine

So it’s potentially possible to test with all addons from moddb

Supported whole 1.5.2

[limpid rose]

If you can make peer-peer hosting stable running off of Demonized’s modded exes, that’d be wild. I still have my concerns regarding save-state, synchronization and scripts etc. But I’m sure we’ll see that all soon enough.

Looking forward, good luck!

[slow bolt]

This dude again lmao

[astral dome]

We’re making it from the scratch, so it’s in early beta now. We need to synchronise all stuff in game, it needed time.

Right now supported all locations, npc’s, quests,

Players rn can shoot, walk, drop items and you can see it ingame

[slow bolt]

@random fulcrum

@undone lily clearly he isnt

[astral dome]

Screwyou literally

[slow bolt]

dats my name

[astral dome]

I doesn’t meant a name

[slow bolt]

I know

[limpid rose]

[slow bolt]

@surreal gust you wanna try again?

[astral dome]

Yea invite here more your toxic friends, instead of the modmaking discussion

[slow bolt]

Yes, i think i will

Well its a scam, so i dont think that fits here

either way lets hope grok doesnt forget this time

[astral dome]

Why it’s scam, you think that all that i said is fake?

[random fulcrum]

after the last 60 times it's almost as if there was a pattern to it you know

but yeah trying to dive into the gamma market is indeed a pro business move

[slow bolt]

Yeah, i wonder why it is

[random fulcrum]

it's a hard play

i must commend that

[slow bolt]

At least change your name

[astral dome]

At least just fuk off)

I’ll do all in my direction

How i want

[slow bolt]

You'd like that wouldn't you

[random fulcrum]

i'd say that's a powermove but coming from a snake oil salesman idk

[pulsar flame]

Hey guys, so I made a fairly simple mod that just adjusts the number of uses that each item has. However, some of them don't show up properly on the UI - like Yadulin and Bread Loafs - and either don't show a number, or don't show the right number of uses for the item. Anyone know what might be causing this? Here's the script:

Also, my mod currently overwrites everything else, so that's why I'm not too sure why this is happening

[random fulcrum]

dltx is loaded alphabetically after the .ltx file you're overriding

there might be a file that has a name that allows it to load after your mod

[pulsar flame]

how can I make this one the last mod that's loaded?

[random fulcrum]

think mod_system_z_item_uses.ltx would be loaded after your file

please don't z stack

[pulsar flame]

I won't

what if I just named it z_mod_system_item_uses.ltx

should that work?

[random fulcrum]

that doesn't work

the engine needs mod_ to be placed at the start

[pulsar flame]

ah alr

so then mod_z_system_item_uses.ltx should work?

[random fulcrum]

it's mod_ the file you're overriding _modname.tx

[pulsar flame]

oh alr

[random fulcrum]

the modname part is what determines the load order

[pulsar flame]

do you know what the last character that's loaded is?

or is it just z?

[random fulcrum]

idk

but z stacking is the easiest way out

and also the worst

and cringiest

[pulsar flame]

ye ig imma just use mod_system_zz_item_uses

I'm not too experienced

this is my first mod

so it should work for now

well

the first mod I've made

I've modded the game before

and modified some files

but I haven't made my own until now

I'll give it a try and let u know if it works

thx for the help

huh

seems like that didn't work either

gonna try z stacking cus it looks like its been done in a LOT of places

it doesn't look great

but tbh i don't really care as long as its functional

alr so looks like using 6-7 z's worked

nice

now if anyone knows the very last character that gets loaded (if it isn't z) then that would be very helpful so that I don't have to z-stack

anyone know what it is, if it exists?

[hardy hound]

i dont think so

[potent delta]

Z-Stacking is kind of a blight, tbh. Makes mod look ugly and makes the 'directory name is too long' issue way more common.

Necessary evil, but still ugly.

[pulsar flame]

I'm aware, but I don't know any other way to do this, and z-stacking works, so I decided to just go with that

[undone lily]

But does it have a launcher to sell your UE game ?

I smell a fuckery once again

Pay wall for beta bla-bla-bla

Stop talking about your project unless it’s released, completely free and open source

Otherwise here’s the door: 🚪

[astral dome]

Sell what?

My project release in my discord for free tho u've seen that

[old berry]

why are you so hostile with him grok?

[undone lily]

Brother, do I really need to post that article about you and your scam ?

[wary scroll]

Let's fix this here for everyone
@astral dome do these things
1 finish your project
2 release it
3 on open link (free completely free)
4 then come here
5 ask again
6 they will check
7 they will use the source
8 they will add you to main creator of this
9 the end

If ="no"

Get OUT
I really hate scammers

[undone lily]

https://imgur.com/dPjLroB

[random fulcrum]

guy's a household grifter

and people keep falling for his scams because everyone wants coop stalker

he's been doing that for years and making bank on it

[undone lily]

Basically switching from one project to another just to ask for donations

[old berry]

the lore thickens

[undone lily]

And it was all based on a leak btw

[wary scroll]

It's even way more worse than GTA v reshade pay wall

[undone lily]

Like; take the work of someone, don’t improve the multiplayer code but steal more things from other people (Anomaly) and ask for money by adding a paywall through boosty to get access to the builds

It’s like if I took all the modders work on anomaly and make gamma launcher accessible behind a paywall basically, but worse

[random fulcrum]

and done time and time again

[undone lily]

So yeah, as long as you don’t talk about your project, I don’t see any reason to ban you, I can’t deny you the access to gamma if you shut the hell up about your scam

[random fulcrum]

but yeah tapping into the gamma server was a powermove for drowning in cash

[undone lily]

Im strict with rules

People can be a pro Nazi IRL and access to GAMMA as long as they don’t promote Nazi ideology here, that’s what I mean

[astral dome]

there's no paywalls in my project

[undone lily]

That’s one less chance here

Say my project or my discord again and you go poof

[astral dome]

and we improving our net-code

ourselfs

[undone lily]

Nice. Where’s the GitHub for the engine modifications

[astral dome]

i can't open it cause it's undone

[undone lily]

Cool. Come back when it’s done

And don’t talk about your project or your discord until then

[astral dome]

when i see that mod is good i'll open

don't talk about paywalls

[undone lily]

Basically if you use this server as a platform for your project, you’ll be banned

Already did that for the INC guy (UI project for Anomaly)

[astral dome]

lol people anyways be known about my project and discord without yoi

i didnt tried to invite people from here to me

[undone lily]

Ok cool then why are you here

[astral dome]

i'm here for gamma

[undone lily]

Nice then don’t talk about your project until it’s done with a public open source

[astral dome]

and possibilty to port it in future

[old berry]

what

[random fulcrum]

would've preferred the hash functions guy on the multiplayer case

[surreal gust]

nah

[undone lily]

As I said, I’m strict with the rules. If I start banning people « cause reasons » then rules are meaningless

[surreal gust]

i don't people using assets (free ones, like x-ray omp)

but charging people for it (money, money) cause your project has anomaly in the title isn't normal

they already did the radmp scam, which was some random cop coop

now they're back again doing it for anomaly

[surreal gust]

only certain people got access to this to make the project more believable

it was free at some point (some guys told me)

[open oasis]

Bean made over 100 thousand rubles from this scheme
no way bro has made $6 💀

[wary scroll]

Hi
Just a little question
How can I change weather colors ?
Should I use weather parameter system or need to change it in another way
For example I don't like rainy weather 1 cause much blue-ish

Or cloudy 1 cause of pink tint in deep of clouds

[surreal gust]

The weather editor only saves configs with the parameters you applied

You need to directly edit the .ltx file for that specific weather

[obsidian grove]

i figure its sarcasm but if not its actally almost 1200usd lmao

[summer girder]

The bank converted my 1.2M rubles into $10

[obsidian grove]

Ah okay lmao I just googled it 💀

[fair canopy]

you can buy a gun in tarkov cheaper than you can get a bag of chips in the sates

[potent delta]

Bank controlled by Sid.

[sharp bobcat]

hey, can you change any settings in difficulty.ltx? i made changes but it doesnt do anything in game

[limpid rose]

Is there a file somewhere that contains comments for functions in Grok's ballistics? Looked through Gboobs but can't really find what i'm looking for

[slow bolt]

doubtful

[open oasis]

mirrowel keep fighting the good fight in that furry portrait mod comment section know i stand behind you

[sudden inlet]

Um, hello, where can I find do trace function put its output?

[hardy hound]

aw hell no

[open oasis]

that's the one lmfao

[slow bolt]

yooooooouuu

fuck

I frantically went there and checked

[celest forge]

I'm not a fan of furries myself, but it really shows what are the priorities and allignments in this community

Nothing that was not expected.

[open oasis]

do explain 🤔

[fair canopy]

whats there to explain. i dont even need to go into the comments of that mod to know what it's going to be like

hell even just the reactions should tell you enough

[potent delta]

Hello, I am a furry and have quite a bit of experience being an internet punching bag. :)

We're not all like the stereotypes you hear about. In fact, very few of us are. That's the issue with vocal minorities. They create an untrue presidence that becomes the expected norm for those outside of your culture.

That being said, y'know the shop keep from Darkwood? The bandaged up wolf dude?

I expect 'furry stalker' will have a very similar vibe, which is neat.

[slow bolt]

That game is a fever dream

[potent delta]

The good kind. It's one of the few games that can still spook me.

[fair canopy]

Isn't furry stalker just gonna replace all the stalkers with anthropomorphic animals?

[hardy hound]

grok probably removed it due to backlash

[slow bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/889271736154087454.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=Real

[potent delta]

I doubt it actually changes any of the actual models. It just seems to be portraits.

[valid hull]

Hey guys, does anyone have the experience of developing his own mod for stalker? I wanna make a addon for Gamma but need anyone who knows how to

[slow bolt]

pins has modding book

[valid hull]

What? Who is pins?

[slow bolt]

It a legendary dude from around here

Really famous

They were known for having all sorts of guides

[valid hull]

Oh my bad

I apologize

[regal bolt]

Hey guys

I've seen in some configs a few days ago that artifacts can be tied to anomalies in terms of their spawn places

is there a list of debug anomaly names somewhere?

If yes then I may be able to make a list with specific anomalies spawning specific artifatcs (Space bubbles spawning compasses, gravitational anomalies spawning antigrav + ballistic res artifacts etc.)

Instead of making the artifacts completely map reliant

[potent delta]

Technically they are already tied to them like that, but the thing is that the tier of artefact is map reliant.

The more 'north' a map is, the higher 'tier' artefacts the anomalies can spawn.

You still aren't going to find a Snowflake in a Burner anomaly.

[random fulcrum]

ye but the thing geo is saying is that you can get anything from any anomaly

[potent delta]

As far as I am aware, you are limited to the pool of artefacts from the family of the anomaly, not including perkifacts which are basically universal.

I might just be suffering reading comprehension anomaly but

That sounds exactly like his goal, which is already theoretically achieved

[random fulcrum]

nah that's how it worked in vanilla

in gamma it's just map tiers

[potent delta]

Ah, I see.

So Geo wants to mix the two.

I'd be down, tbh.

[summer girder]

I mean, if someone puts Wolf in Anomaly
You know I'm gunning him down

That do be an incredibly toxic comment section
Bert asked a good question though

[regal bolt]

I can disprove of that in a few minutes

[last valve]

@undone lily simply fix the problem idk whats so difficult

[magic bridge]

Honestly I would say for the bumpy ground thing maybe the simplest thing would be to simply smooth out the hitboxes depending on the severity of the bumps

[regal bolt]

just copy whatever True Stalker did to fix it

[slate basin]

wheelchair-accessible zone

[noble plinth]

What i can tell from the bumpy thing, is that it's not affected by going faster, it infact makes it slower

[brazen lark]

FOV also has a part to play in the bumpy feeling. You can refrence an old video of mine here to see it in more detail. It's an original anomaly issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxBet8HGVzs @undone lily

[magic bridge]

Like if it's just a bunch of little 2-3 inch humps just smooth it out so it walks smooth

[tame carbon]

Bumpy ground like walking on stairs ?

[magic bridge]

and if it's more severe then let it reduce speed

[undone lily]

Could imply engine modifications

[noble plinth]

I assume it's not possible to make player hitbox like slightly floaty above the ground?

[regal bolt]

ah shiet

[ruby widget]

i noticed this issue as well and thought of the counterstrike dev blogs, idk how stalker works but over there the stairs are essentially a flat ramp from the hitbox perspective

[distant thicket]

this

[potent delta]

Just go through every single map file and smooth everything by hand.

[distant thicket]

clip the bumpy stuff off

easier said than done ofc

[undone lily]

Yes but we aren’t gonna edit maps to fix that

[tepid crypt]

Make an april fools update for GAMMA to make all maps flat

[velvet folio]

What if you try to 'reverse' the problem ? Like could you 'elevate' the palyer hitbox from the ground by 3cm permanently ?

I don't know if I am clear x)

[distant thicket]

well thats your fix though

[undone lily]

For doors yes, but not for slight bumps on the ground on the outside

[tame carbon]

The offset would still affect the camera though?

[distant thicket]

otherwise maybe an instant step could fix it? Like how cs stairs used to work

[undone lily]

No that’s a stupid way to do it

It’s like :GAMMA doesn’t work, change your computer level of fix

[hearty stirrup]

wasn't that what stalker devs did at a time?

[velvet folio]

better a really small cam off set than getting slowed down for no reason, no ?

[potent delta]

You'd have to shrink the player's hitbox in order to make sure you can still take cover behind the same things without your head hitbox poking out when it normally wouldn't.

[undone lily]

Yes that’s more or less what is needed I think

[brazen lark]

Ah apologies. It happens will small steps up in verticality as well like the sidewalk bumps sometimes too. Thought the input would be nice!

[undone lily]

Well I can try reducing the fov to see if it has an effect

[distant thicket]

its stupid in the sense that we are modding a game and not making it, but normally thats the proper fix

[velvet folio]

shit you are right, also I need to cover more, kinda dead if not x) and I ded a lot xD

[tame carbon]

Next patch notes:

• Removed feet

[potent delta]

"Sorry boys, budget cuts. Hand over your feet."

[crystal torrent]

player stalker now has a hoverboard replacing each foot

[brazen lark]

93+ Is the breakpoint I and others have found for some funky stuff. I still play above it nonetheless for nasuea reasons.

[undone lily]

Like I’m actually starting to wonder if this happens in base Anomaly

[brazen lark]

It does

[potent delta]

Remember that Stalker uses vertical FOV. ~57 is ~90 in most other games.

[distant thicket]

base anomaly, base stalker

[limpid quarry]

rocket boots mod soon?

[distant thicket]

it sucks

[distant thicket]

360 is the best you can see all around you

[potent delta]

I'm actually kind of curious now if lifting the player's hitbox from the ground by 3-4 cm would also solve the issue of taking 'fall damage' when you run too fast.

[velvet folio]

More like :

• Next Patch
  -> Added a new item : Hover boots
  Let's you levitate 5cm ups, no longer slowed by terrain but watch your head when you try to cover 😛

[edgy ermine]

just revamp the whole map to remove those bumps

ez

[random flame]

what about reducing the size of the hit box that actually interfaces with the ground? can you change the shape of the hit box so that the "feet" are narrower meaning its less likely to hit something jutting up from the floor without allowing you to walk too close to walls by not shrinking the "body" hit box?

[potent delta]

Easier said than done because the map editor for Stalker is so archaic and aggressively anti-user.

[distant thicket]

just make the whole map 1 dimensional

[edgy ermine]

nah its ez

[velvet folio]

more like increase the damage then xD

[gray marlin]

Doesn't this bug stem from CoP itself?

[edgy ermine]

YES

[gray marlin]

[edgy ermine]

best idea give this guy mod

[distant thicket]

no bumps

[quiet linden]

Sounds like what they did for doom 1 lol

[edgy ermine]

make the whole map flat

[potent delta]

Make the map smoother than the brains of the regulars in brainfart

[edgy ermine]

all the maps flat

[distant thicket]

bold of you to assume they still have brains

[tame carbon]

Overkill fix: Both legs are fully simulating collision on each step taken like those procedural animation projects

[random flame]

lmao

can the shape of the players hit box be changed?

[velvet folio]

Better watch for all the corps on the ground then xD

[potent delta]

That might work if the actor actually had a proper model the game cared about. Instead, you're a rectangle that slides around.

[brazen lark]

A very clausterphobic 57 compared to being able to see what's around me at 103. But even 57 doesn't feel like Sieges 90. Which is should in direct comparison.

Even 93 is nice.

But I get very sick at lower FOVs

[tame carbon]

Even better, I can finally bend a knee supporting my body on top of the mountain of corpses I dragged together while the other is on the ground

[potent delta]

It's nice until you bump into a wall before your weapon reaches it because the camera gets set so far back into the viewpoint.

Anything past like, 70 makes melee a nightmare.

[brazen lark]

Not a problem with proper HUD fov and ads scaling/zoom

[distant thicket]

70 is the perfect value

[brazen lark]

not in my experience.

also messing with the raise weapon mod fixes it

😄

[potent delta]

I play 60-45.

I'm also heavily blind so

[brazen lark]

Exactly! To each their own. That's why I'm glad it's even an option. In the modern world of titles still being released at like 60fps lock and no FOV options.

Alright I'm gonna quit clogging this up now o7

[ruby widget]

at least the stairs on some maps, would go a long way

[lofty dune]

the 'walking' hitbox could be something different than the shooting hitbox, like in portal the physical player hitbox is different than the one that effects physics objects. Could be something similar in stalker, hence no change in the bug

how does the step-up logic work?

[shut bridge]

Am I remembering correctly that the player is always slowed down when walking over slopes?

[lapis escarp]

I know nothing about making video games or coding so forgive me if this question is dumb.. Is it possible to change all surfaces/stairs that do halt your momentum with stairs/bumps that doesn't. I feel like if every staircase was exchanged with example the one that is in the merc base in dead city, at least the stairs would be fixed. I'm assuming this would take alot of work though?

[potent delta]

That would require literally doubling the amount of collision calculations per second the game has to make. x-ray is already being stressed as it is.

[lofty dune]

I'm asking if that's how it works, I have no idea how x-ray works

[potent delta]

The issue is that some stairs are slopes in the map collision, and some are actually stair-shaped so there's tiny 'walls' that you bump into between each step.

[lofty dune]

Apologies should've clarified

[quaint moon]

Is there a chance that the problem is in the levels themselves, which were ported from old games?
I don't remember getting stuck on steps in locations from Call of Pripyat

[restive crater]

Isn't x-ray derived from the original half life engine from back in the day? Just a heavily modified one? Or is it entirely from scratch

[lofty dune]

Yeah it happens in rostok but not in CoP areas

[lapis escarp]

Can modders add these slope hitboxes to other staircases that doesn't have them?

[tame carbon]

Then if the player collides a 'wall' that's what kills momentum ?

[potent delta]

It's a mixture of different move speed in Anomaly/GAMMA which changes momentum and such, and potentially more accurate collision on the model's hitbox itself but the maps still being chunky.

[lofty dune]

It's based off gold source?

[potent delta]

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/X-Ray_Engine

[foggy barn]

Thats what i was going to say was its the collision because from what i read is that is 2d triangles on 3d surface that calculate how much push is need ro keep the player from falling through the map or just going up slopes

[tepid crypt]

No

[lofty dune]

I was gonna say that didn't sound right

[white rivet]

No idea how modding works, but is it possible to make the player slow down only after X time or X distance of beeing on a slope? Setting it to like 0.4sec would probably ignore all the small junk but going up hills would be slow as usual

[tepid crypt]

If anything it resembles the Gamebryo and Creation Engine, the engine that Bethesda uses, due to it's jankiness and it's anti-user interface

[lofty dune]

This might be stupid but if the floor can have a slope I wonder if there's a way to give the player a slope in the hitbox as like an inverse so it'll just slide over

[mortal trout]

cant u make leg suspension?

[restive crater]

What's the threshold for it to register that it's elevated and maybe discover the discrepancy in which it registers the minimum height of a wall

[tepid crypt]

or we can just do what a guy did to GTA San Andreas and port the half life and half life 2 movement into the game

[lofty dune]

I wouldn't mind source movement ngl

[quaint moon]

In simple words, we need to increase the height of the obstacle that the player can overcome without jumping

[tepid crypt]

imagine seeing stalkers bhopping around the zone at the speed of light

[nimble thistle]

If we could implement a vaulting system it could also work with going over small objects much easier.

[lofty dune]

I think source still has the same problem though with the steps, you'd need to fix the map hitbox mesh

[lapis escarp]

So when running up slopes it would take 0.4 seconds to slow down. Actually sounds like that would work better than how it is now tbh

[potent delta]

Fairly certain the physics engine for x-ray is tied to the ballistics as well. If you changed the physics you'd fuck with the shooting.

[tepid crypt]

with steps, yes, but your character's movement would be consistent

[lofty dune]

Yeah that makes sense

[quiet spruce]

Havent played in a lil bit but i saw a update that added water pooling when it rains. Probably not the isshue but just wondering if it could affect it?

[potent delta]

The simplest solution is quite literally to just edit the map files and smooth over the stairs to make them all slopes. But there's something with baking the map collision that x-ray really doesn't like which is why it hasn't been done yet I believe.

[lofty dune]

That also makes sense, can you add new objects?

[tepid crypt]

what if you just place an invisible ramp on the stairs

as an object

[white rivet]

Sounds reasonable to me, especially if it also gets rid of slowing down on small stuff

[potent delta]

[lofty dune]

Instead of changing it, adding in a 8 poly slope wouldn't be too bad

[distant hedge]

I know!

[potent delta]

If any of you can fix it and make it run without errors or fucking up AI patching and shit, be my guest. Upload it to ModDB and rake in your e-cred.

[lofty dune]

Oh yeah ai pathing right

[tepid crypt]

I would let others make a bugfix for my mod

[restive crater]

Ah yes, the wonders of the Ukrainian game engine, where you can have full living AI environment, but can't run over a pebble

[lofty dune]

Pretend to make the fix and when it doesn't work someone will fix it

[potent delta]

If you run too fast you take 'fall damage' because of how the game calculates friction. What do you expect?

[tepid crypt]

That's x-ray engine spaghetti for you

[spare marsh]

program the feet of the player to have a bunch of tiny pistons that can compensate for bumpy terrain

[lofty dune]

4x4 shoes

[nimble thistle]

Is there anyway you can have objects be ignored by collision? I mean for rocks and stuff ? If it's map geometry though...you can't do that.

[potent delta]

Got them all-terrain heelies

[lofty dune]

I think it is map geometry that is the problem

[restive crater]

Worked with unity, source, and Unreal, but x-ray is the true unreal engine in the fact you can create the most insane bugs I've ever seen

[potent delta]

It takes incredibly little to make the engine just give up and crash, and I love it.

[nimble thistle]

Then ya unfortunately the only solutions I could imagine would be implementing a vaulting system and by doing so you can have it also implement a small object collision hop over system I mean they designed the same system to be able to jump on The ledges I assume you can do the same thing for hopping up over smaller objects correct? And you can just have it basically have no animation time and you should be able to then just be like you're running but it would just skip over it

Otherwise ....map cleanup

[tepid crypt]

and we'll never see the light of the day when GSC just decides to fix all of it because they switched to Unreal 5

but knowing how GSC works

I bet they will butcher up Unreal 5 too

[restive crater]

I still think we should try to find the thresholds for what's considered a wall first

[lofty dune]

I think people suggesting the non instant movement slowdown might actually be a viable solution

[fervent quarry]

Delete gamma and fix the issue at its core

[lofty dune]

So fork anomaly yet again?

What is that 4x?

[tepid crypt]

Or we can just be the bigger men and port Stalker Anomaly to the 4A engine

the engine that was used to make Metro Exodus

[nimble thistle]

I didn't think we had any mod tools for that game though

[lofty dune]

Bruh no

[tepid crypt]

we have, they released it sometime ago

[potent delta]

Legally not allowed. GSC's recent statement states that a game can't be ported to an engine it wasn't designed for.

Forks of x-ray are fine but you can't put it on anything else.

[tepid crypt]

4A engine is technically an X-Ray fork

[lofty dune]

Besides that open x-ray is looking pretty promising

[tepid crypt]

actually yeah

True Stalker used it

[nimble thistle]

But at this point you would have to be pulling over the scripts and you'd have to be pulling over not just the map but like actual environment and sounds ....it would be extremely difficult. And I don't think you could pull off I mean maybe you could pull off the missions but there's so many it would take you a long time you have to have a team to work on it and then to make sure everything's lined up and then modding would be kind of dead for that game because nobody's going to know how to work on that. And there's probably a limit for how many guns you can have and monsters and creatures and then the creature systems too you have to bring that over there's so many things that would probably be not viable.

[tepid crypt]

True that

Then I suppose the other option is

making the xray engine cry as we kick it into a working and non-CTD position

[lofty dune]

Y'all would be better off waiting for S2

[tepid crypt]

I don't have high hopes for it

[lofty dune]

Then porting it to a4

[finite tide]

@undone lily can you tell us some of the things you have tried? Re player movement

[lofty dune]

Well they said modding was gonna be supported

[nimble thistle]

It's rough but they will fix it up. Last demo was received very good by a lot of people far better then last year's.

[tepid crypt]

Developers say a lot of things nowadays sadly

Skull and Bones incident

[tepid crypt]

I hope it doesn't share the same development history as Stalker SHOC, because then it would mean that Stalker 2 for the majority of it's development cycle was a glorified tech demo

which at one point was more sophisticated and elaborate than the final release of the game

Build 1935

never forget

[blazing crown]

What was so much better about it?

[tepid crypt]

Two things. The A-life was very buggy, but better and the atmosphere of the game was imo superior

[nimble thistle]

They have a full studio now Lots of devs working to fix this mess up. Stay positive. This isn't a 2077 situation

Hell remember witcher 3... Look at it now modding heaven

[tepid crypt]

Hmm yeah

[nimble thistle]

Back on topic. What is the ratio the player slows down from hills or slopes. There has to be a script tied to player movement? (Mind you I never dug into Stalkers code)

[blissful tartan]

Try TF2 approach make the model look like stairs but make it like its a straight ramp

[nimble thistle]

Question. Is there anyway to explort the map into a 3D editor,smooth it out and re implemented back in?

[worn fiber]

How about trying to find where the movement acceleration for player character is and crank it up so that we instantly move at top speed for each stance?

At a small sacrifice of some inertia in movement that might help.

[nimble thistle]

If the slope code movement is tied to the engine then no. But if the code is separate then yes we could in theory skip inertia slow downs if we put in a degree required for the slope to slow the player down

[uncut lichen]

I'm trying to run through this issue in my head before going to bed. IIRC you can see this issue often when going up staircases. I almost wonder if the game keeps calculating that your feet are running into a wall and there in reduces your velocity.

Is there any documented methods of looking at the source code for GAMMA / CoP?

oh nvm theres a ton of pins. maybe I trawl through tomorrow

[novel merlin]

@undone lily Just spitting ideas but maybe it could be handled by full-stop coming only by hitting completely impassable obstacle or lack of input from the player, otherwise terrain merely slowly slowing down that movement? In case of bumpy surface, since the bumps are quickly cleared, the movement then could be slowed down only so little it'd be less noticeable. Downside to be tested: whether it wouldn't make the player character move too much as if they're sliding on ice in general on uneven terrain.

[undone lily]

Editing actor hitbox

[finite tide]

Some games use a "navmesh" type system that the actor actually walks on. Envision like a layer of glass that the actor walks on. Smoothing all the bumps out

So stairs are actually a ramp etc

[long nebula]

how low level is your control of the player's movement? assuming you can perform a physics cast with the player's hitbox along a certain vector and then get metadata about the cast (how far along it came, where it collided, what are the normals of the colliding surface etc), you could implement a full move and slide which would slide along surfaces, up slight bumps and snap along stairs

[long nebula]

this is essentially how physics based player controllers normally work, but i don't know what anomaly/xray currently uses

[limber lantern]

what if we fly

(i know nothing about modding)

[undone lily]

The engine code is available here: https://github.com/themrdemonized/xray-monolith

[worn fiber]

I don't think it's a hitbox problem. We get a slowdown when the character has to step up the edge like stairs not a slope. And it seems that we lose all horizontal speed at that moment. Same goes when we step of the edge. We instantly lose all horizontal speed and fall straight down even if we are sprinting.

[undone lily]

All the actor related stuff is here https://github.com/themrdemonized/xray-monolith/blob/all-in-one-vs2022-wpo/src/xrGame/Actor.cpp

I think it’s a matter of phbox somehow

[long nebula]

loving the mix of naming conventions xD

[worn fiber]

In source engine there is no slowdown on stairs and there is even a separate parameter of how high the character can step up. If you set the values high you can step up over a 2m walls without a slowdown.

[summer girder]

#📢announcements message @surreal gust thoughts?

[worn fiber]

The physics for player in xray engine is just weird.

[surreal gust]

To fix this

Ya gotta recompile the levels

Ya gotta place the invisible clips on the stairs to smooth movement

You can edit maps in blender too, but that may mess up with lighting

Blender method is more acceptable since you don't have to recompile ze levels using this method

[long nebula]

what the hell does g_Physics' "jump" float mean...

[undone lily]

This engine has been edited by hundreds of people over the course of 15 years

[long nebula]

tell me about it

working with one of those is literally my day job :p

i'm gonna to give this a look in an ide

[undone lily]

Yes this is the nuclear option, but I’m sure something can be done on the actor hitbox side

[undone lily]

Oh

[long nebula]

we have fun :p

[undone lily]

There’s also that file https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/blob/main/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/G.A.M.M.A. Actor Damage Balancer/gamedata/configs/mod_system_actor_hitbox.ltx

Which edits the actor hitbox

Tried to modify it, didn’t help much. Perhaps someone will be luckier than me

[worn fiber]

I thought that's only for taking damage.

[surreal gust]

cform is probably editable with blender too

xray tools can edit level files

[undone lily]

Yes it plays a role for damage

[surreal gust]

using the sdk to just fix 1 problem isn't my thing, tbh

probably when i decide to replace the shitty trees with new procedural ones

[worn fiber]

I despise the existence if these two lines:

[undone lily]

Trees are fine. Tbh the maps issue is mainly about being too flat and not having enough details / objects. But I also know xray maps maximum vertices count issues

[undone lily]

Well you can edit them

[surreal gust]

That's why I'm planning to use hd assets for my level

Terrain can't be really improved, I can edit it

[long nebula]

if (g_Alive())
{
  if (mstate_real & mcClimb && !cameras[eacFirstEye]->bClampYaw)
  accel.set(0.f, 0.f, 0.f);
  character_physics_support()->movement()->Calculate(accel, cameras[cam_active]->vDirection, 0, jump, dt, false);
}```
tbh this looks like it handles all the movement for the player?

in g_Physics

the character_physics_support() part

i haven't actually looked at much of the code, it just seems like the obvious entrypoint?

you have shit like setting a oof when you land a couple lines down too

[undone lily]

Yep that’s for sure

Might be about Accel stuff actually

Because every time we hit some shit, we are slowed down a whole lot

[long nebula]

that calls this

which implies to me that a rigidbody is being rawdogged for the character controller

because of that apply force

[undone lily]

I think I have been looking into hitbox the whole time, while actually what’s needed is playing with accel factors

Because the issue is to be slowed down

[long nebula]

i'd be more worried if this is a rigidbody

[undone lily]

Not feeling the geometry

[long nebula]

rawdogging those is the easiest approach for making a controller work

but making it behave well with things like stairs is, as you've noticed, a bitch

i wanna check where gravity is applied tho

[undone lily]

Stairs is annoying but I can live with it

[long nebula]

cuz if it's a rigid body then the player should liberally be sliding down slopes?

[undone lily]

Being slowed down in stairs is good thing

The problem is being slowed down by small objects on the ground like rails

[long nebula]

i know

i'm just listing examples of what other things easily break with a rigid body

[worn fiber]

And I got laugh at when I talked about player's movement acceleration speed.

[undone lily]

And I am fucking sure, 100% guaranteed that it’s some bullshit from Call of Misery

[undone lily]

True I didn’t see that

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/blob/d5d412744bc6add8a9136fade7c9358fe75267ad/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/158- ABF - Jurkonov/gamedata/configs/creatures/actor.ltx#L2

Oh wait

What is that shit

[long nebula]

oh god that's a flashback xD

[undone lily]

actor_terrain

[long nebula]

i don't know what i'm seeing

i haven't looked into how ltx files work at all

[cyan plover]

why are half the comments in that script broken

[undone lily]

Could be ph_crash_speed as well

https://github.com/Grokitach/Stalker_GAMMA/blob/main/G.A.M.M.A/modpack_addons/158- ABF - Jurkonov/gamedata/configs/creatures/actor.ltx#L2

[worn fiber]

That's when you start to take fall damage.

So you get slowdown because of damage.

[long nebula]

grok, thank you for making me open this can of worms

this actor code is beautiful

i haven't seen an update loop receiving a u32 before

[surreal gust]

if ya want to fix the problem

ya gotta either recompile the levels

or

use the blender method

you just can't spawn scene objects

that's impossible

[long nebula]

or fix the player controller so it ignores bumps?

which is pushing the problem away, granted

but if the player controller is a rigid body, i feel that warrants giving it a look anyway

[worn fiber]

I'm mad that there is no parameter for actual walk acceleration speed. "walk_accel" is a top speed not how fast you reach it.

Just GSC things.

[long nebula]

void CPHDisablingRotational::Reinit()
{
    CPHDisablingBase::Reinit();
    dBodyID body = get_body();
    const dReal* rotation = dBodyGetRotation(body);
    const dReal* velocity = dBodyGetAngularVel(body);
    Fvector vrotation;
    vrotation.set(rotation[9], rotation[2], rotation[4]);
    m_mean_velocity.UpdatePrevious(vrotation);
    m_mean_acceleration.UpdatePrevious(*(Fvector*)velocity);
}

this is called after every movement tick

what the fuck is that set on line 8

[cyan plover]

magic values that noone can find the origin of, no wonder the game crashes so often

[long nebula]

what are those pointers

who owns them

oh that tells me a lot xD

[cyan plover]

[long nebula]

ah, it's a 3x3 matrix?

no, 4x3

dMatrix3 is 4x3

so they're just setting yee yee ass rotation matrix things

tho who the hell stores rotation in a 4x3 matrix

quat or 3x3 is the only thing i've seen

[cyan plover]

overengineered to hell so noone could figure out the code except the developer to secure their job

[long nebula]

again, mood

i'm used to working on this wavelength

[upper flax]

[cyan plover]

[upper flax]

time to untangle thousands of hours worth of code cowbweb

[long nebula]

i got stories

void CPHMovementControl::JumpV(const Fvector& jump_velocity)
{
    m_character->Enable();
    m_character->Jump(jump_velocity);
}

float CPHMovementControl::Jump(const Fvector& end_point)
{
    float time = JumpMinVelTime(end_point);
    Jump(smart_cast<CGameObject*>(m_character->PhysicsRefObject())->Position(), end_point, time);
    return time;
}

i like the shift in parameter names :D

(whatever you do, don't question smart cast, or why jumping has 5 overloads)

[cyan plover]

this is reaching yandere simulator level of code, or probably worse already

[long nebula]

wait, how is avx even factored into this?

vectors don't look like they're using avx instructions

[long nebula]

yandere sim is bad, but for other reasons

[long nebula]

i'm not going to look into this further, it might actually be handled and vscode didn't pop it up because of project config things or whatever

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY JUMP FUNCTIONS

[upper flax]

[long nebula]

    void JumpV(const Fvector& jump_velocity);
    void Jump(const Fvector& start_point, const Fvector& end_point, float time);
    void Jump(const Fvector& end_point, float time);
    float Jump(const Fvector& end_point);
    bool JumpState();
    ///
    bool PhysicsOnlyMode();
    void GetJumpMinVelParam(Fvector& min_vel, float& time, JumpType& type, const Fvector& end_point);
    //returns vector of velocity of jump with minimal start speed
    //in min_vel and correspondent jump time in time
    float JumpMinVelTime(const Fvector& end_point); // return time of jump with min start speed
    // input: end_point and time; return velocity and type of jump
    void GetJumpParam(Fvector& velocity, JumpType& type, const Fvector& end_point, float time);

from the header

[cyan plover]

when you absolutely need to confirm that the player jumped

[upper flax]

just making sure

[surreal gust]

this will probably require engine edits

[long nebula]

it would, yes

definitely

not sure how doable that is

[surreal gust]

engine edits = scarier than mapping

[long nebula]

fair

[surreal gust]

i'm playing IWP rn

[cyan plover]

might as well rewrite the engine at this point if most of the code looks like this but idk if that goes against their new engine related rules

[surreal gust]

nah

use xray 2.0

[upper flax]

i raise the biggest toast to the eventual genius who'll be able to take care of this

[surreal gust]

(cancelled stalker 2 2011 build)

[long nebula]

@undone lily so it's a no to anything that'd require engine edits?

[cyan plover]

was anomaly made before it released?

[long nebula]

doesn't matter much tbh?

anomaly merges all the games cuz they're all in xray 1

you can't "just" do that with a new engine

unless they were very nice and careful about the way they designed it

[long nebula]

from what i understand anyway

[acoustic glen]

I'ce always found it funny how trying to sprint up stairs slows you to a crawl... and sometimes even triggers alert state of nearby NOCs

[cyan plover]

i hate allying with the military cuz i have to go up to the third floor to talk to the main guy

[long nebula]

the hardest part of living in agroprom, fr

[worn fiber]

If it is possible to get rid of jump landing slowdown, we can bring bunny hopping into STALKER.

[cyan plover]

imagine hl2 backwards jump acceleration in gamma

[long nebula]

yep, player controller is defo a rigid body

having discovered wtf ode means

[worn fiber]

Skill based movement is a dying thing in modern FPS games.

[long nebula]

looking into ode now, apparently it is meant to support fps chars

just not sure how good it'd be compared to rawdogging physics

[undone lily]

You can edit the engine easily. You just need to compile the exe to test it out

[long nebula]

For the ability to climb stairs or overcome small, steep obstacles it is useful to use a ray for "feet", and a spring to push the character upwards (with some damping).

sounds like our problem exactly

[long nebula]

yeah, but is that solution viable?

[warm lion]

Is it the terrain that slows player movement or objects on the terrain? Haven't played recently @undone lily

[undone lily]

Indeed. Engine is edited on a weekly basis

[long nebula]

continuing the plunge

[worn fiber]

I think engine editing is our only solution at this point.

[undone lily]

If you find something fancy, you can do PR and it will most likely be accepted

If you need help setting up VS to compile the exe just ask me. But Demonized made it much easier

No VS2017 Necessary anymore

[last ore]

might be totally wrong, but based on the games i work on i would search for something like a gravity value

[long nebula]

gravity is taken from the world

what about it do you think could be an issue?

[misty wadi]

is there a mod to play co-op with friends?

[long nebula]

no

[last ore]

it might effect the force that is needed to get over an obstacle

[long nebula]

idk chief, fiddling with gravity'd mess up a lot

[last ore]

true

[long nebula]

and hardcoding the player to avoid it would be an ugly af hack

[cyan plover]

could it be step height, if such a thing even exists in this engine? i know you cant really get over obstacles in unity if your step height is too low

[long nebula]

and i don't like those

[surreal gust]

dammmmmn

the details are insane

[long nebula]

it doesn't, because rigid body physics

[surreal gust]

jamming, misfire, ammo type differences, dynamic boolets

[long nebula]

that's why i'm proposing rawdogging shapecasts

but even just making ode work properly would be good enough for a start

[cyan plover]

is the collider of the stairs and odd surfaces just bad then? and the engine doesnt know how to handle those to make the playe rmove on it smoothly

[long nebula]

since i think if we follow the wiki's solution, that could fix things

i need to look into if that's being done atm

[vital perch]

Yo, question, is it handling the player pawn moving over the bumpy ground the same way it handles the player pawn going up a ramp? Or is it a unique issue?

[long nebula]

the colliders are accurate to the meshes, far as i know

this fucks with pure rigid bodies because they get stuck on those easily

that's why you normally rawdog shapecasts to bypass those

[last ore]

though gravity works in combination with mass. maybe something like making the player char lighter. but idk, never worked on the stalker games myself

[long nebula]

it is, it's all pure rigid body physics, from what i see

[long nebula]

again, feels like the wrong way of going about it

[cyan plover]

what shape does the player rigidbody have? is it accurate to the body model?

[long nebula]

@undone lily ?

i'd guess a capsule

but i have no idea

and knowing xray

[cyan plover]

in unity a capsule also gets stuck in tight spots so maybe thats the issue then

[long nebula]

if you don't do the thing i said you should do, yes

it's not so much the capsule's fault, it's still the best shape to use

it's just how you use it

[vital perch]

I wonder what kind of change having the base of the capsule being wider would be.

[long nebula]

if you make the "base" wider, it ceases to be a capsule

a capsule can only be defined as a combo of radius and height

[cyan plover]

yeah youre making a cylinder at that point then which gets stuck even more often

[long nebula]

change that and you mess up all the equations

it'd also get fucky with things like crouch states

[summer girder]

Is a capsule dynamic enough of an object to squash and stretch (See: Low crouch allowing you to basically crawl under stuff you normally wouldn't be able to fit under/in)

[long nebula]

ye

[summer girder]

Neat

[long nebula]

you make the height smaller

or set up a different capsule for crouching and crawling

and toggle which is enabled at any given time

assuming they all have the same lowest point, that feels like the safest solution

not an expert on physics tho

[surreal gust]

the helicopter is on my ass

[vital perch]

Fair, I’m more thinking of trying to find ways to have player pawn just glide over divits on the ground, so either by having a wider base, or maybe even avg height from a few different contact points

[idle oasis]

shake it off

[undone lily]

I’m really not sure tbh

[surreal gust]

at least they don't have aimbot like they do in anomaly

[undone lily]

Another way is to edit the accel factors / friction

[drifting lotus]

what are the friction values

[cyan plover]

gamma helicopters are so bad, i was able to take one down in cordon with my crappy sniper at the place where the repair guy and trader are at and i hid in one of the buildings while reloading

[river holly]

I've seen this with stairs I guess. The stairs to bar in rostok for one are horrible, however there are stairs in the game that are fine to run up and down, so it's probably just the geometry of those bar stairs in particular, we can't change that geometry can we?

[undone lily]

Yes nothing was done to improve them

[undone lily]

Sure the geometry plays a role

[cyan plover]

but what makes the rostok and agroprom stairs worse than some others?

[river holly]

Do we have ways of seeing the difference between the stairs? I don't know what tools are available. But I imagine figuring out what that difference is might help somewhat

[hidden shoal]

the cement factory stairs in jupiter are def gonna be a good place to test stuff i think. just especially miserable due to the raw height involved

[summer girder]

Would you be thinking of the good stairs being in: Zaton, Jupiter, Outskirts, and their dungeons?

[last ore]

what if the capsule would hover with some distance to the ground with the player model just getting an offset to touch the ground. speed might not be slowed down that much that acceleration must create a new momentum

[long nebula]

love this part of the actor's per frame update

@undone lily does the actor script apply only to the player or to npcs as well?

[long nebula]

no

[river holly]

Honestly I cant remember right now. I just know I've out loud said "wtf are these stairs fine but those aren't" 😁

[summer girder]

Okay so, for a little context

[river holly]

It's not one of those weird directional things is it, where approaching a geometric shape from certain directions is bugged.

I've seen that screwed up in code before

[summer girder]

If you play Rostok in Shadow of Chernobyl, or Cordon in Clear Sky
The stairs are fine
It's COP that introduced whole new maps

[cyan plover]

its the shape of the mesh collider that most likely causes the player to get stuck. the steps are too steep, thats probably the main reason.

[long nebula]

it's using the ODE library for rigid body physics

so i'm very doubtful

[long nebula]

the main reason is that it's just applying a force to a rigid body and calling it a day

no care taken for bumps

[river holly]

Fair enough just throwing out things I've seen effect this in other engines etc

[long nebula]

http://ode.org/wiki/index.php/HOWTO_upright_capsule

what should be done

and probably isn't

i'm looking into it

[cyan plover]

yeah sounds like a good fix, i hope it works

[long nebula]

not promising jack diddly, i'm still looking at the current impl

handling these things like this isn't a secret among low level people, so i want to know what's currently being done

[river holly]

There's some issues that have been posted on the Godot GitHub to do with ODE rigid body and getting hung up on collision boundaries.

[long nebula]

m_bOutBorder = !!(input_packet.r_u8()); nice

i'm guessing to guarnatee a 0/1 value

[river holly]

Looks like changing the margin and or physics material is the fix for those instances

[long nebula]

first negation transforms 0 -> 1, !0 -> 0, second negation therefore transforms 0->1, 1->0

so it does 0->0, !0->1

cute

[long nebula]

could be

not that i know what a border is

        bool new_border_state = character_physics_support()->movement()->isOutBorder();
        if (m_bOutBorder != new_border_state && Level().CurrentControlEntity() == this)
        {
            SwitchOutBorder(new_border_state);
        }

right after movent is applied in the physics update

OH

level borders

this is how level transitions are handled

magical how that's in the actor.cpp

[worn fiber]

Need to find something about landing slowdown.

[cyan plover]

i wish i could walk past level borders and get some of the loot the dead enemies drop lol i hate it when it doesnt let me get to them, especially when the monoliths attack at the border to the radar

[worn fiber]

That's the main offender.

[long nebula]

you can disable automatic transitions

old stalkers had you manually confirm wanting to transition

[long nebula]

it is, but it being there isn't incorrect

i don't think we want to make the PC be able to bhop

it also isn't the issue for bumps like rails

it's an issue for going down stairs at best

from the way i understand the problem anyway

[cyan plover]

going up stairs too

[long nebula]

but i don't see how landing slowdown would affect that

[worn fiber]

I want to be able to bhop and test if that solves the problem.

[long nebula]

i'm not sure if you're landing

[worn fiber]

Also need to check how the step up the stairs work. Could be a small jump with a landing slowdown as well.

[long nebula]

could be

that's what i'm trying to figure out rn

void CPHMovementControl::UpdateCollisionDamage()
{
    //reset old
    fContactSpeed = 0.f;
    gcontact_HealthLost = 0;
    gcontact_Power = 0;
    const ICollisionDamageInfo* di = m_character->CollisionDamageInfo();
    fContactSpeed = di->ContactVelocity();

    if (block_damage_step_end != u64(-1))
    {
        if (physics_world()->StepsNum() < block_damage_step_end)
        {
            fContactSpeed = 0.f;
            return;
        }
        else
            block_damage_step_end = u64(-1);
    }

    // calc new
    gcontact_Power = fContactSpeed / fMaxCrashSpeed;
    if (fContactSpeed > fMinCrashSpeed)
    {
        gcontact_HealthLost =
            ((fContactSpeed - fMinCrashSpeed)) / (fMaxCrashSpeed - fMinCrashSpeed);
        VERIFY(m_character);
        m_character->SetHitType(DefineCollisionHitType(m_character->LastMaterialIDX()));
    }
}

landing code

i think

[worn fiber]

What file are you looking at?

[long nebula]

phmovementcontrol.cpp

this calculate is the entrypoint
void CPHMovementControl::Calculate(Fvector& vAccel, const Fvector& camDir, float /**ang_speed/**/, float jump, float /**dt/**/, bool /**bLight/**/)

from actor.cpp's g_Physics

and i'm quite sure this is where wasd control and jumps come from

having checked actor.cpp's normal update loop

[worn fiber]

Like I said before another issue is that if we walk off the ledge, all our horizontal speed is gone as well. Even if you were sprinting. This also can reset our movement speed.

So I'd say there are two problems.

[long nebula]

yeah, because snapping isn't implemented

ideally, after the "normal" move and slide procedure, you would do a raycast downwards if the ground some distance

and snap the capsule to the ground if it's found

this allows smooth traversal down stairs

but obviously can't be too strong, or else it becomes impossible to jump

it also should only be done when velocity.y < 0, such that you can actually jump

oh my lord

person writing this does NOT know about bit flags

[upper flax]

[long nebula]

okay, if i'm understanding this right, you have an actor and whatever the normal npcs are, they both use movementcontrol to interface with an "actual" character controller

which then actually interfaces with physics?

so i should be looking into one of those

[worn fiber]

I don't think NPC use the same movement rules and physics like player.

[long nebula]

i hope not

but this makes me think otherwise
void CPHMovementControl::Calculate(const xr_vector<DetailPathManager::STravelPathPoint>& in_path, float speed, u32& travel_point, float& precision)

[worn fiber]

Because as long as their navgation allows it. They can phase through the walls.

[long nebula]

it's possible that that's unused tho

i saw some networking code lying around too xD

[long nebula]

it could be they're not using forces

if they get a path, they follow it

[cyan plover]

stalker gamma multiplayer confirmed

[long nebula]

but if they get an acceleration, they use physics

that falls in line with the physics body only enabling if you add a force

[long nebula]

ye, after i'm done with this, i'll set that up too

[worn fiber]

NPCs have separate movement speed values in m_stalker that are different from the actor movement values.

[long nebula]

yeah?

so?

[unreal leaf]

Yeah the IsGameTypeSingle compares these IDs. Probably just leftover code

[long nebula]

yeah, the path one doesn't use physics

[long nebula]

defo

[cyan plover]

artefact hunt sounds like fun

[unreal leaf]

Capture the Artefact lol

[worn fiber]

My theory is that NPCs just float from one navigation point to another one. And if the path says to fly up or go through the surface, they do exactly that.

[long nebula]

yes

that's what i'm saying

[unreal leaf]

imagine Capture the Flag but the flag slowly kills the holder with radiation :D

[cyan plover]

also deathmath would be crazy, imagine everyone having gauss rifles

or rpgs

[worn fiber]

Just go play stalker multiplayer.

Experience the jank.

[long nebula]

oh my god

it took me forever to realise this was misspelled

in the movement controller

[cyan shard]

and the "Shedulers", there are typos everywhere

[long nebula]

i hate people using public vars outside of the .cpp file they should belong too

[unreal leaf]

If this is about trying to fix the slowdown when walking up surfaces and such, Id sayy look into ActorCondition.cpp maybe something will jump at you there

[long nebula]

it makes it so hard to track causality

[long nebula]

i feel like the issue is not using snapping and sliding against small bumps tbh

but yeah, could be, thanks

[unreal leaf]

Maybe but this slowdown offurs when walking up stairs too so, when is snapping ever used?

Is snapping even implemented in the game?

[cyan shard]

for npcs maybe

[long nebula]

i don't think so

that's the issue exactly

[long nebula]

npcs don't follow physics, from what i can see

or from what i'm guessing, rather

[unreal leaf]

Shouldnt be too hard to implement id guess,

[long nebula]

they just get a vector of points from the gods and follow it

[long nebula]

yep

but i'm still reaserching this shit

[long nebula]

again, i think

i'd need to power up vs and put some tactful breakpoints to be sure about anything

god this is a mess

[unreal leaf]

Is this your first time looking at the stalker source?

[long nebula]

yep

[unreal leaf]

heh

[long nebula]

i've only heard stories

[unreal leaf]

wait till you have to work with the rendering :D

[long nebula]

i have enough of that at work, thank you

i do love how some patterns are similar tho

forward declare vars and "actually initialize" them with function calls

[undone lily]

Multiplayer left over

[long nebula]

we have way more macros tho

[undone lily]

Original games have death match

[long nebula]

why do they copy accel, which was passed by value, into another vector...

[undone lily]

OpenXRay might support death match again at some point

[undone lily]

On which engine / game you work on ?

[long nebula]

in house engine

at a company called guardiaris

we do military sims

can't say much more :)

[undone lily]

👍

[long nebula]

that's a new one

[worn fiber]

Like ARMA or better?

[long nebula]

arma is a commercial product

we work with actual militaries

[undone lily]

Oh you mean Tarkov

[worn fiber]

[cyan plover]

[fossil lava]

im worried that the problem from #📢announcements might be caused by DN... in that case its unfixable really

[long nebula]

yeah, exactly

[undone lily]

DN?

[fossil lava]

Deez nuts

[cyan plover]

[cyan shard]

ban him for a thousand years

[worn fiber]

[candid vector]

@fossil lava (1a1n) has been muted for 30 seconds for reason: deez nuts

[long nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092

[worn fiber]

[cyan plover]

[summer girder]

Worth

[cyan plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-yoshi-mario-discord-gif-12444703281338986867

[cyan shard]

ok so whats the current consensus on how this works?

[dense meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-gif-1693187712214218511

[long nebula]

there's not really a consensus

i'm looking through code, not sure about anyone else here

[cyan shard]

I feel like there is no partial collision detection being done at all, and its just slowing down the actor, doesnt matter if its a wall or step or what

[long nebula]

and i feel like the issue is that a rigid body is just being expected to magically handle uneven terrain and stairs

[cyan shard]

but if you collide against a wall, you dont know you still have some velocity since you are still colliding and cant keep moving

yeah exactly, it just doesnt take care of this at all

[meager jacinth]

I always thought the slowdown made sense honestly. Have you ever tried to sprint full speed over uneven terrain or up stairs ?

[long nebula]

i don't mind it

except for stairs

[summer girder]

Found the guy that doesn't run upstairs irl

[long nebula]

yep yep

and even then, there's ways of going fast on rails

if you know how to use your legs

fuck me

ooh, that's from ode

update: mass defo exists

[undone lily]

Mass is used mainly by the physics engine to manage anomalies, ragdolls etc

[long nebula]

💜

what is a clamb supposed to be...

clamber?

[undone lily]

Every object has a ph_mass defined

[undone lily]

No clue…

[long nebula]

this set seems like the most telling, maybe

it still tells me nothing

also, is it an issue that i'm just spamming here with code analysis?

you can give me a thread to post this shit in

    //deside to stop clamb
    if (b_clamb_jump)
    {
        const dReal* current_pos = dBodyGetPosition(m_body);
        dVector3 dif = {
            current_pos[0] - m_clamb_depart_position[0],
            current_pos[1] - m_clamb_depart_position[1],
            current_pos[2] - m_clamb_depart_position[2]
        };
        if ( //!b_valide_wall_contact||
                //(dDOT(dif,dif)>CLAMB_DISTANCE*CLAMB_DISTANCE))    //    (m_wall_contact_normal[1]> M_SQRT1_2) ||                            ]
            dFabs(dif[1]) > CLAMB_DISTANCE)
        {
            b_clamb_jump = false;
            //    dBodySetLinearVel(m_body,0.f,0.f,0.f);
        }
    }

yeah, probably climbing?

given they're checking if y has surpassed a certain max height

[summer girder]

Might as well "spam"
Maybe someone else may see something you don't

[undone lily]

Imo the easiest is to setup console commands with multipliers, compile exe, and test stuff by making the multiplier vary while playing

[long nebula]

it's honestly just how i work best

just pull someone over and start complaining about stupid shit

[undone lily]

Climbing could be ladders related

[long nebula]

i may have to

[long nebula]

it could