╙🖇mods-making-discussion

[misty mulch]

oh also this message wasn't for you, check the reply target

i was confused why you were showing the tooltip lol. thought you were just proving the mod worked

[regal bolt]

Oh XD

Also the changes to the armor itself are done, but the injection failed

None spawned the armor

[misty mulch]

are you sure they spawned the right visual

dux adds like... 3500 visual variants

[regal bolt]

That is peregrine tho

[misty mulch]

oh lmao

rip you ig. are you playing on easy

actually

hmm

[misty mulch]

no no

i'm thinking, what if peregrine doesn't use the visual model stalker_ecolog_peregrine

[regal bolt]

No fucking way lol

[misty mulch]

can't assume

[regal bolt]

Uhhh

[misty mulch]

oh hmm, guess he does

so that's good

are you playing on easy?

progression mode off for drops?

[regal bolt]

Yeah, and outfit drop is on full, not progressive

[misty mulch]

otherwise you've got shit kicking in that reduces the chance of you getting the outfit

[regal bolt]

Easy-Tourist and outfit drops to full

[misty mulch]

then either you are exceedingly unlucky or it's broken

[regal bolt]

Shit

[misty mulch]

!mo2search // use the file searcher, make sure your death manager override file is loaded

[queen pine]

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[regal bolt]

Wonder how the previous version worked

[misty mulch]

may have to click "refresh" if you just enabled your mod

[regal bolt]

refresh?

[misty mulch]

wrong filename again.

[regal bolt]

What?

How?

[misty mulch]

mod_death_generic_geo_skat-9.ltx
NOT

mod_death_outfits_generic_geo_skat-9.ltx

[regal bolt]

Wait what?

But the file it relates to is called death_outfits

[misty mulch]

it's got nothing to do with the filename.

[regal bolt]

Okay

[misty mulch]

it's the chain of "how are the files fed into the engine", NOT "what's the filename i'm targeting"

that's why i kept telling you, you can't just guess what the prefix is based off the filenames, and that it's better off copying the filename structure from an existing DLTX file

[regal bolt]

Like that?

[misty mulch]

should be, yes

no idea if that newgame loadout injector works

if it does, then you're lucky

[regal bolt]

Mo2

[misty mulch]

ah. hmm. problem. first, delete the broken first file, why's it still there? we want to keep things organized.
second, your mod_death_generic file NEEDS to come below the one from GAMMA Armor blahblah. Otherwise, its changes overwrite yours (last file alphabetically sorted, wins, for DLTX)

[regal bolt]

Soo should I change that to g_geo instead of just geo so it would be in alphabetic order...?

[misty mulch]

that would work

[regal bolt]

Okay. Got the file structure revised so I don't have old-unedited files in there

Shit

I was suppposed to rename it

Yeah no. After renaming the file it still does not work

Tested out ecologists as well just to make sure it doesn't not spawn due to fixed loadout or something

I'mma go grab a bite

Okay. Back

Also

Are you sure I don't need any specific tools to make this work?

[misty mulch]

you shouldn't

[regal bolt]

Hmmm

You sure I shouldn't use @ instead of !?

Also there was a way I was able to get it in the game

[misty mulch]

you are not creating a section, you are overwriting a section, so you use !

[regal bolt]

Shiyon made the literall copy of the death_outfits.ltx file and just copy pasted peregrine_player_outfit into it, changing only some Ecos wearnig NBC suits

Is that not an easier way? And how did that work but the "correct" dltx doesn't?

If you wanna make sure everything is properly set up the archive's here

[misty mulch]

i'll be honest i've spent like four hours on and off and I want a break from this

[regal bolt]

Fair. Wanna continue tomorrow?

[misty mulch]

no man

i have given you a lot to start already

[regal bolt]

Okay. I'll see what I can do with it

[misty mulch]

and i generally spend less time on this server on the weekends anyway

or at least i'm trying to

[regal bolt]

Welp. I guess I took some of that

sorry

[misty mulch]

eh it's friday still

[regal bolt]

Oh. Saturday here already

Didn't realize it's so late...

Fuck.

Okay. Goodnight. Sorry for taking up so much time

[misty mulch]

gn, come back with fresh eyes

[regal bolt]

Welp shit. Gonna go to sleep...

[undone lily]

@celest forge You know that adding 3DSS code within your Steyr Scout mod is fucking stupid right ?

just make it optional, just make a 3DSS patch, just require 3DSS to be installed for the patch to work, aka use good modding practices instead of lazyness

[celest forge]

Good aftertoon

I hope you're well too

I didn't really want to give the mod more requirements

[undone lily]

That's not how modding works, especially when it's about dependencies you don't own at all nor contributed to

[celest forge]

Since 3DSS is the new fad that everyone is moving into anyways I figured I'd start converting my guns to it

I wanted to update the Scouts since Meowie did his retexture of it so that seemed like a good first

[undone lily]

Just do some patches for it, and if that means you are gonna add the 3DSS code in all your mod, well, it makes NO SENSE

[celest forge]

I will convert all my guns to 3DSS, eventually, yeah

[undone lily]

because it means you need to maintain the 3DSS code in all the mods, it means people need to check what's the version of 3DSS YOU CHOSE for whatever reason, it becomes a compatibility nightmare

covnerting doesn't mean you need to put the 3DSS code inside the mod

98% of your downloads are due to GAMMA

[celest forge]

Or I could have a separate upload with the updated scripts and just tell people to get that and put it at highest priority

[celest forge]

How is this relevant

[undone lily]

Cause your genius idea causes problems with GAMMA

[celest forge]

I didn't make that mod for gamma

[undone lily]

I'll handle it on my side anyway

[celest forge]

[undone lily]

ok ok

if you want it to be like this. So be it.

[celest forge]

Be like what

You're the one being super hostile to me rn

Calling me names and stuff

Do you want me to ask you permission to update my mods or what is the point of this

[undone lily]

If that would have been the case, I would have asked it first

no I'm asking you to mod your stuff properly so that your mod can stay in GAMMA

and doesn't cause issues with the community altogether

[celest forge]

I mean I'm sorry the update caused issues

But again, I didn't make the gun for gamma, now, for that I don't mean "I don't give a fuck what happens to GAMMA because of it or not"

Just that I don't I have to cater to making my guns in a certain way because you put them on GAMMA

[undone lily]

Also, Meowie and Andtheherois already converted your ported models to 3DSS iirc

[celest forge]

Because then I'm in a condition when I can't do what I want with my mods before asking you or making sure it won't cause issues with GAMMA

which seems hardly fair

[undone lily]

It's not only for gamma, it's in general: don't put dependencies in your mod, because it becomes a nightmare to manage for everyone not only gamma

on top of you having no fucking right to do so

[celest forge]

You literally were throwing around the fact that my downloads are because of you in my face

So don't make it a general issue

[undone lily]

Yes, meaning that your mod is a sucess here, meaning, don't fuck with gamma in general

I don't have time for debates

there's no debates to have here

[celest forge]

This is not a debate dude

Again, i'm sorry that I caused the pack issues

But it seems hardly fair that I have to make my mods in a certain way or not for a pack that I didn't make them for

I can try and make it an option tomorrow

[undone lily]

The problem is if one starts putting dependencies in one mod, others will follow and then you have a bunch of guns mods with shaders code that gets unupdated and cause problems which needs manual patching. I don't mind manual patching, but only when there's a good reason, and putting 3DSS code inside your mod isn't a good reason

[undone lily]

again, it's not only for the pack

[celest forge]

I literally started to get how 3DSS works this morning when merging Meowie's stuff with mine

[celest forge]

Your issue and unprompted attack towards me is

You could've been more civil about it

I get the frustration but you're acting like I wanted to actively cause you harm or something

[undone lily]

Sure, it's 8:00, had a bad night and woke up to this, I'm grumpy

sorry about this

meanwhile I'll find a temporary solution

[celest forge]

I guess I can just

Delete the scripts and shaders folder

And make the base thing a dependency

Which I really didn't want to do

But whatever

[undone lily]

well worst case you can put the scripts in a seperate folder, but then give the actual 3DSS version in the 3DSS folder name, even so I can't really recommend it, this way people know which version of 3DSS you have in your mod and can choose it or not

and if you do, then you need to properly credit the people behind 3DSS

but as I said, better add a dependency, unless you brought 3DSS code some modifications

in which case it's better to contact the original author so that he can bring the modifications to the code directly

[celest forge]

Done

3DSS is now a dependency

The main mod doesn't have any shaders or scripts anymore

[sour salmon]

[undone lily]

Very nice, thanks a lot 🙂

[regal bolt]

Hey Grok, Hi Juan!

[open oasis]

grok went in full force

[regal bolt]

Yeah

I'm reading now about Lua and there are some interesting things I could use for a script to basically play a roulette, and if the randomized number ends up on the specific one I chose the armor will drop

You know. I wanna make this compatible with Gamma for everyone, not a overwrite

and to be compatible with some of my future armor edits, if I make it

[sour prawn]

yo man im averaging 80 fps on vanilla gamma

sometimes hit 100

is it good or low

and not going down below 75

[regal bolt]

Very good

[sour prawn]

cus i was averaging 30 fps on modded bro

crazy stuff

[open oasis]

good job

[sour prawn]

time to mod

[delicate orchid]

Hey everyone 🙂
I know that It’s possible to edit some of the suit stats like burn protection and so on.
I wanted to edit the suit stats from the isg seva suit but every changes I made were not working…

Anyone any idea? 😶

[regal bolt]

Yeah. I guess I could help

[regal bolt]

So what exact changes do you want to make to the suit?

[misty mulch]

Not that simple, because you'd have to patch the entire mechanism of how armor dropping works

[misty mulch]

Also pop quiz time: variable, function, if/else statements, you got those down?

[regal bolt]

Trying, but I can't even understand the damn manual for Lua

Reading this shit with no prior experience is like reading in another language

I mean... It quite literally is isn't it?

[misty mulch]

Yeah don't read the manual, it assumes you already understand how to program - find and do a beginner course on Lua

[regal bolt]

Fuck. 4 hours again in the dirt...

[misty mulch]

I bet you you can finish that codecademy tutorial I linked yesterday before its free trial finishes

But you want a free course that teaches you how to set up a Lua interpreter, so that you can instantly start trying snippets of code on your PC. not the kind that's like a reference guide where you're only reading

[regal bolt]

I mean I have no idea what I even want at this point besides the armor itself

[misty mulch]

I mean you seemed pretty gung ho about redoing the way armor drops on death, which would require scripting changes to make happen, so...

If this doesn't interest you that is also fine, don't force yourself to make a mod you don't care about

[regal bolt]

That I know, but I already have an idea how to, due to having Momo's example

JUst the question if it'll work tbh

[misty mulch]

Can you link me to this example

[regal bolt]

I have no idea where it was in the dc, but I can send over the .zip with it

And before you say anything let me explain

local tyraels_odds = 208
local templars_odds = 26
local play_identify = true
local can_disassemble_tyraels = false
local identified_woodlands = {}

local function loot_the_thing(obj)
    if not obj then return end
    if obj:section() ~= "exo_merc_wood_outfit" then return end
    if identified_woodlands[obj:id()] and identified_woodlands[obj:id()] == true then return end
    identified_woodlands[obj:id()] = true
    
    local cond = obj:condition()
    
    local tyr_odds = math.random(1, tyraels_odds)
    local tem_odds = math.random(1, templars_odds)
    
    if tyraels_odds > 0 and tyr_odds == 1 then
        alife_release(obj)
        alife_create_item("tyraels_might_outfit", db.actor)
        if play_identify == true then
            play_sound("tyraels\\identify_item", 1.0, db.actor, true, 1.0)
        end
        return
    end
    
    if templars_odds > 0 and tem_odds == 1 then
        alife_release(obj)
        local templar = alife_create_item("templars_might_outfit", db.actor)
        if templar then
            local cobj = level.object_by_id(templar.id)
            if cobj then
                cobj:set_condition(cond)
            end
            if play_identify == true then
                play_sound("tyraels\\identify_item", 1.0, db.actor, true, 1.0)
            end
        end
    end
end```

This part of the code looks like it would just make the drop of `exo_merc_wood_outfit` have a chance of removing the `exo_merc_wood_outfit` and replace it with `tyraels_might_outfit` / `templars_might_outfit`, with a very low chance of 1 to 208 for Tyrales and 1 to 26 for Templars

Question is if I can just cut out the templars_might_outfit part out of it, and replace tyraels_might_outfit with peregrine_player_outfit

[misty mulch]

yes you could

obviously you could also change out exo_merc_wood_outfit for something else

which i would encourage, since there's only one model that drops that

[regal bolt]

Yeah. That would be changed for military_outfit

[misty mulch]

would suggest, for testing, making the target armor type something very very common

[regal bolt]

I mean Skats are pretty common on military

so that would even make for a perfect test example

[misty mulch]

i also assume you are not also lifting the discovery sound files? in that case just delete the if statements

[regal bolt]

Yeah. That would be deleted becuase that armor is not supposed to make sound on drop lol

[misty mulch]

i mean that only plays if the variable play_identify is set to true

which it shouldn't for your purpose

but for cleanliness, if there is a variable you are never going to use, don't keep it

[regal bolt]

Yep. The least amount of lines possible

Also one more thing

If I make multiple mods using these scripts will they work with themselves, even if they overwrite the same armor?

[misty mulch]

i also belatedly realize there's something else your armor needs which this mod demonstrates: parts

[regal bolt]

Wait. It doesn't inherit these already from the skat-9?

[misty mulch]

no. only ONE version of a script file can run at any given time. if you make Armor A that has version A of armor_might.script, and Armor B with version B of armor_might.script, only one of those scripts will run, so you'd only get one of those armors appearing

[regal bolt]

So if two armors with the same script for the same armor are running only one of them will be utilized?

[misty mulch]

yes.

you would have to rewrite the script above to factor in multiple targets/multiple potential armors

[misty mulch]

i am uncertain of this

[regal bolt]

Understandable. Will check during the next testing

Okay. brb. Will go to the bathroom real quick and get to rewriting this code once I get back

Also what is this for?

[misty mulch]

ask momo not me

[regal bolt]

And is the line 8 even neccessary if there is only one armor in this specific script?

[regal bolt]

Okay. So it looks like this now

Oh crap, error on line13

[misty mulch]

what's the error

[regal bolt]

here's the fixed one

There was tyraels_odds instead of geo_odds. No biggie

Do you think this will work

?

[misty mulch]

don't ask me lmao just try it

[regal bolt]

Okay

[misty mulch]

fyi. to test this i would set the chance of you getting your special outfit to "certain", because then you can see if the script actually works, without having to go "hmm is it not dropping because i'm unlucky or becuase it's broken"

you can always change the number later

as an exercise in understanding lua... i will leave it up to you to figure out how to make the chance of dropping your outfit 100%

[regal bolt]

Just change the local geo_odds from 208 to 1?

I set it to 10 for testing and I still regret it. around 50 soldiers with 9 skat-9s XD

[misty mulch]

yes

[regal bolt]

Would changing the value now to 1 and refreshing the game through F7 > F5 work?

[misty mulch]

idr

try

[regal bolt]

Sure

[misty mulch]

i mean for these little things.. .just try it

[regal bolt]

Yeah. I guess I should stop with the "Will this work" and just start to experiment with shit on my own

Will ask Momo about line 8 later I guess tho. Wanna know what it did

And no. The script failed

[misty mulch]

well, what's the error

[regal bolt]

I have no clue, but it doesn't spawn

Got 3 skats and 0 were the "geo" variant

[misty mulch]

probably because your script only includes the function but never actually tells the game to use the function

[regal bolt]

Gimmie a sec

[misty mulch]

so, going back to why i kept saying "do you know what a function is": think of a function as a reusable snippet of code. on its own, it won't do anything. you have to tell the computer "hey, actually use my function (optionally, with these inputs)" before anything happens

[regal bolt]

And how do I tell it to use that function?

if obj:section () ~= "military_outfit" then ?

[misty mulch]

look at the bottom block in tyraels_might.script

[misty mulch]

no - an if/else statement merely tells the computer, "if X condition is met, then do Y thing". that is used to check the condition of a variable, that does not tell the computer to run things automatically

[regal bolt]

RegisterScriptCallBack ones?

[misty mulch]

specifically the one inside function on_game_start()

which you must keep because of the way Anomaly works.

[regal bolt]

Oh

Okay. Let me read those and cut off the not usable ones

[misty mulch]

this fyi is the documentation for script callbacks and how to make the game run one of your functions when some in-game event occurs https://igigog.github.io/anomaly-modding-book/scripting/callbacks.html

i provide it as a reference for you to figure out which parts of the function on_game_start() ... end block to keep

[regal bolt]

That'll come in handy!

[regal bolt]

Okay. Give me a few minutes then please ^^

[misty mulch]

not as handy as learning functions, variables and if/else statements

[delicate orchid]

I want to make it pretty much the Same as the Merc ACE Suit with a slight better BR Class and better Rapture Resistance

Do u know which ltx. File I need to edit? Or how does it work? 😱

Thx for your help :)!

[regal bolt]

Will be back to you once I finish with this

[slow nexus]

Is there a tool anyone has been made to position ui elements visually?

or do i have to write my own

[misty mulch]

need to make a dltx override, instead of directly modifying an ltx file

[regal bolt]

Okay

I've read about the callbacks and from what I've gathered I only need those since the rest is deleted

[neon kite]

Gday. So after looking through many post through the discusion logs in relation to my question im still stuck at figuring out how to change a weapons toolkit requirement succesfully. First tried going to a mod I knew contained all the vanilla weapon ltx files; EFT reposition; and selected the one I wanted to change. Booted it up but no dice, I then figured it might be part of a dltx ![wp_] file and tried searching for my directory to find it. no dice finding anything like it. Maybe i missed a step but im still scratching my head to figure out what mod is preventing the ltx change I tried.

[regal bolt]

Aaaaand it doesn't work

I just realized geo_odds was set to 10 instead of 1. I'm stupid...

[misty mulch]

there's definitely a bunch of dltx files overwriting repair types for weapons

[misty mulch]

so make your own dltx that loads last, put the changes you want in there. what is your current dltx override file?

[regal bolt]

And somehow that wasn't it...

[random fulcrum]

remove the end at line 18

you can spot errors by running scripts ingame

[regal bolt]

How?

[random fulcrum]

run_script script name

in console

[regal bolt]

Oh

[regal bolt]

The whole line or just the end?

[random fulcrum]

is there anything else in line 18

[regal bolt]

So the whole thing Yeet!

[misty mulch]

fyi the issue here is that the script gets there and that single end tells it to expect the end of a new block that doesn't exist

so the game goes "this script is bullshit" and stops working.

[regal bolt]

Hmmmm

[slow nexus]

"stalker lua" ~ it dont bite

[random fulcrum]

it's good

[regal bolt]

But it doesn't work

For one reason or another

[random fulcrum]

how does it not work

are you not getting rng

[regal bolt]

It should spawn the Geo variant for every Skat-9 it spawns

it's 1 to 1

For testing

Also what do ~= and == do?

[random fulcrum]

comparison, one makes sure it isn't and the other one makes sure it is

research

the homework

[misty mulch]

bro this is why i keep telling you to pls find and do a beginner course in lua so you know some basic programming concepts
like what a function is, what if/else statements (and other loops) are, what's a variable, what are basic operators

this is so that you can fix your own problems instead of having to ask someone all the time

[random fulcrum]

see, research

and for the love of god not chatgpt

[misty mulch]

because this piecemeal way you're doing it, you're not learning why things are broken necessarily, only that they are broken. and repeating the magic text snippet only goes so far

and like, i for one will be afk all of next week, i cannot be your personal code mentor

[random fulcrum]

and you can't convince me of being one either

[regal bolt]

Okay

[random fulcrum]

so i'm washing my hands

[regal bolt]

Fair

Let me look up some lua guides on yt

Maybe I'll find something of use there

[slow nexus]

wouldnt a comparison be !=

[random fulcrum]

holy christ just don't comment on it

[slow nexus]

-= is the opposite of +=

[misty mulch]

not in lua

[slow nexus]

lua fuckedxc

[misty mulch]

in lua "not equals" is ~=

[slow nexus]

i hate it

[misty mulch]

[open oasis]

hey so i was using chatgpt to help me build a script and i ran into an error...

[regal bolt]

Are these the things?

[misty mulch]

sure, but try to follow along, don't just read

programming is one of those things where it helps immensely to practice everything you are reading

does it teach you how to get lua snippets working on your own computer

[regal bolt]

I have no lua interpreter tho. Any idea how to set it up?

[misty mulch]

google one

i think there's even some web based ones, which will work just for tutorials and learning

[regal bolt]

I think I've found one

[misty mulch]

yeah that will work for now. use that, follow along your video, if it gives you coding exercises or "homework", do them

[slow bolt]

Just use chat gpt for example

It can tell you what something does or how it works

Don't use it to code for you

[misty mulch]

it can't even really do that

but that aside

[regal bolt]

Nah. I'mma just follow along the video for now

Also parentheses are not neccessary it seems in this one

[misty mulch]

use the parenthesis.

[slow bolt]

It very much can

[tawny stream]

Don't forget to close them tho. That shit will undoubtedly make you sad at least twice

[slow bolt]

Dont use the dumb models

[misty mulch]

no, i mean that LLMs are categorically incapable of knowing what truth versus lies are

this includes chatgpt. it is a fundamental feature of that type of model

[slow bolt]

Yes, but that doesnt mean it cant tell you what the function does in detail

[misty mulch]

it can regurgitate plausible sounding paragraphs, confidently

it cannot know if it is "correct" about the sentence it just spat out

it's been fed enough stackexchange answers that it can guess these things, via the function of "these words usually follow these other words"

that is not the same as it "explaining" how something works

[random fulcrum]

idk like to be dead honest

it's the same speed and total keystrokes

to get a human answer from stack exchange

maybe even less keystrokes

so you're even optimizing THAT

[misty mulch]

and you don't have to constantly double check if it was a hallucination

[slow bolt]

That aint the problem

Unless you are going obscure things like stalker-specific stuff - it wont know so it will bullshit

For lua itself it works very well

[misty mulch]

it's been fed enough stackexchange answers that it can guess these things, via the function of "these words usually follow these other words"
you may as well go to the source

it doesn't "know" anything. llms are incapable of "knowing".

i grant you that it can be a fun little "generate a snippet of something i can't be bothered to create" tool

[slow bolt]

veer, dont go to semantics

[misty mulch]

this is a factual description of how large language models work

[slow bolt]

4o is surprisingly good, and code llms based on 3.5 are also pretty good, though not as much

[slow bolt]

It is. However adding an asterisk to every message grows annoying very fast

[misty mulch]

in a convo with someone who doesn't know what a function is and is asking us to explain every little thing? i think it's a worthy asterisk

[slow bolt]

I treat llm as a person, as it makes much more sense that way. Except a person who will always answer with something, even if they dont know shit

[slow bolt]

For me it works and "knows" very well, as i practically completed a course in Haskell just using LLMs

It can hallucinate. But that becomes obvious when compiler says it literally does not exist - had couple of those

[misty mulch]

sure. i don't doubt it. i would never recommend using chatgpt as an "explainer" for someone so new to the concept of programming, they wouldn't be able to figure out why the compiler is throwing an error

that's my issue here

[slow bolt]

sometimes they can

But if the error is to the code LLM provided - it very likely will go in circles

fixing an error ->making a new error - > fixing it - > back to the first error

[misty mulch]

we're never going to agree so i'm just gonna walk away from this one.

[regal bolt]

I do

[regal bolt]

Being a dyslexic ass it's going to be much harder than it seems

I forgot a single , and broke the code I wrote XD

[open oasis]

real

[neon kite]

to be fair. Im still stuck on figuring out on how to create my own dltx overide file. I have the right click to dlxtify tool so I think im in the correct path but im still scratching my head on where to head next

[misty mulch]

ah, it's actually simpler than that, you can accomplish dltx with nothing but a text editor and careful naming of files

[regal bolt]

You just can't make this shit up xD

[misty mulch]

let's start from the changes you want to make - make an empty text file, and copy paste only the lines you want to change about your target armor in there

[misty mulch]

very normal. i once spent three hours hunting down two commas that broke my script

[regal bolt]

I wouldn't believe you if I never heard shit about coding. Now I feel that pain as I was looking for that for 5 minutes

But 3 hours? Holy crap

[misty mulch]

more really since i wound up going to sleep in the middle

but i had a lot more code to look through

but yes, very important to be precise with the punctuation

[regal bolt]

Yeah... Shit can break not only itself but also the entire code

[open oasis]

fun fact: Lua is syntax not code 🤓 ☝️

[neon kite]

alright, something like this?

[regal bolt]

Do I look like I care about such semantics?

._.

[open oasis]

ecks dee moment

[misty mulch]

sure - so to break it down

![exact item ID of the weapon you want to modify]
repair_type = item_id_of_the_repair_kit

[misty mulch]

are you trying to make the SVT-40 use the Type D repair kit? because that's what the screenshot is saying right now

[random fulcrum]

surely man wants it to be shotgun

[regal bolt]

Actually... Veer. How do I find specific variables? is it all just debug names in game?

And the rest can be done locally?

Just asking to make sure

[neon kite]

aye sir, thats just the base file I copied. I understand I need to change it to shotgun to get it to historic kit. Once I change the file to such what would the next step be?

[random fulcrum]

save the file, enable the mod and run the game

[regal bolt]

I made a script for a number guessing game with the tutorial paused halfway. It works but spews an error XD

I feel like I should stop posting these here

[misty mulch]

save the file with specific file name format:
mod_system_items_repair_zz_whateverthefuckyouwantinthispart.ltx

inside your modding folder, create the following filepath:
gamedata/configs

drop your DLTX file in that configs folder

[misty mulch]

this is like asking me "how do you find every word in a book"

you could but why

[regal bolt]

Fair response. Just asking if there is no singular file which refers to the functions and stuff, like a code library within the game so if somebody needs to pull out a specific thing (Lets say BR calculator function) they'd find that there

[misty mulch]

no.

[regal bolt]

Okay

[misty mulch]

and more to the point, that would be very bad coding practice

[regal bolt]

Why keeping a single text file in a game that explains functions other people made and makes sure none overwrites and stuff is a bad practice?

[misty mulch]

because it closes off the scope of what other people can do to your software. imagine if EVERY single variable you made for a throwaway script or whatever required you to dig all the way into the core of the engine to define a new variable? and that every single variable in the history of development needed to always be documented? you'd never get anything done

[regal bolt]

Okay

[misty mulch]

and it would become so easy to break

you think finding the missing comma is bad, imagine if you had to trawl through tens of thousands of variable names to desperately figure out which typo where needed fixing, in every single place that would reference it

[regal bolt]

Holy shit

[misty mulch]

there's another concept in programming called scoping which exists precisely because you don't actually want every variable in every script ever to cross-communicate

but finish up your course first, this is more like... 201 level

fix your "error: trying to compare string to nil"

[regal bolt]

I don't think I can. I have literally copied the code in the tutorial and it still spews it

[summer girder]

[regal bolt]

Or maybe I'm just missing something

Nope. The code is looking like it was copied and pasted

[misty mulch]

actually your error might be a scoping issue lmao

[regal bolt]

BRUH

[misty mulch]

well. the general rule of programming languages is that you have to compare like with like - you want to compare a string to a string, you want to compare a number to a number. for some reason, the interpreter believes that you are trying to compare a string (your answer variable) to a nil (something that doesn't exist)

[misty mulch]

did your tutorial go over what local does?

[regal bolt]

sets the variables and functions to be referenced only from the file it's in?

[misty mulch]

only from the block it is in

[regal bolt]

OH

[misty mulch]

now look at which block your guess variable belongs to

and where your if statement is

[regal bolt]

XD

Wait

[misty mulch]

can you see why your code thinks guess doesn't exist (i.e. is nil)?

[regal bolt]

That's not the same block?

[misty mulch]

i mean idk, i'm telling you what the interpreter says

i write python, my brain works in indents

[regal bolt]

Question. How do I make the stuff instead of local something else ?

Just leave the space blank or are there other scopes that can be used?

I'mma just keep on watching. Maybe I'll figure it out

[misty mulch]

oh wait i think i know. the clue is in the output

[regal bolt]

Line 17 is literally a copy paste of the code the guy wrote

I changed it

[misty mulch]

your code does not stop to receive input. it only reads the input, once. that's why it only works on the first loop and breaks immediately on the second.

[regal bolt]

Ohhh

[misty mulch]

it'd be more obvious if e.g. you had another print() line that spat out the input

by making your program reflect back the inputs, it helps in debugging because then you can pinpoint where it breaks

[regal bolt]

Added it 2 times, printed once

Why does it try to compare them anyway?

[misty mulch]

because you told it to on line 17?

[misty mulch]

keep watching the vid, i would be surprised if this doesn't get addressed soon

[neon kite]

hey veerserif it all works now. Thanks for being patient and helping me figure it all out. Your the man. Have a nice day

[regal bolt]

I mean. the guy codes in VSC and makes it a CMD game, while I use the online interpreter.

[misty mulch]

same outcomes, different layout

[regal bolt]

How did I do that?

[misty mulch]

what does if guess < answer mean

[regal bolt]

if guess, which is the input (nil?) is smaller than answer, which is a string?

Okay

[misty mulch]

yeah so in order to check if thing A is smaller than thing B, you have to compare thing A with thing B

in addition: does it make sense to ask if guess is less than a line of text?

[regal bolt]

And there is no thing A in the script when it's run

[regal bolt]

I mean
local answer = 60 is there

[misty mulch]

no, you wrote local answer = "60", that's not a number, that's a string (of text)

because of the quote marks

[regal bolt]

Oh

[misty mulch]

that's how you say "the thing in these quote marks should be treated as text"

[regal bolt]

But that doesn't work either

[misty mulch]

i know, because the fundamental issue is that "guess" is nil

i am just fixing another bug you were going to encounter after you fixed that one

[regal bolt]

But the value is there in the box. 57

Should I type "57"?

Oh wait

I'm a fucking dumbbell

It's repeating without a value after I input the first one, so the code is working correctly, it's just that the second guess is nonexistent

[misty mulch]

there you go.

[regal bolt]

ffs

[misty mulch]

like i said, keep watching the tutorial, if the tutorial is setting up an example of a repeat loop that takes input, i would be VERY surprised if it's not going to tell you how to fix that.

[regal bolt]

It didn't

[misty mulch]

(that's because it's not good practice to use a repeat loop to take inputs lmao)

different types of loops are good for different circumstances

[regal bolt]

Can you give me an example of a loop used in Gamma?

(Just curiosity. No need if you don't want to)

[misty mulch]

i found the video you're looking at and he isn't using a repeat loop?

just a set of if/then blocks

[regal bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlvM_gEdgdQ this one?

[regal bolt]

And yes XD

[regal bolt]

but the repeat is at the start of the block

[misty mulch]

then it's possible that this is a difference between the terminal, and that online interpreter

[regal bolt]

No fucking way. Comments

tonumber()

Bruh

let me test that

[misty mulch]

well yeah because you want to make sure your program reads the input as a number

as opposed to e.g. a string

[regal bolt]

No. It's still fucked because the loop doesn't stop. Forgot about that

[misty mulch]

i do actually think this is an issue with the online interpreter

time to buckle up and install lua on vscode

[regal bolt]

Yeah. I'mma do that. Got VSC already downloaded XD

Also yeah. It doesn't stop the loop until the proper answer is given, where it displays the proper message without the error

Which is the ending of the loop

Also I already spent another whole day on this. Time consuming to say the least

[misty mulch]

i, uh, i don't think this is a good series.

no error handling, no input sanitization

hint should probably only 84k views

[regal bolt]

Got any better ones tho?

[misty mulch]

find one with at least 100ks of viewcount? i already sent you a bunch of resources...

and remembering, i don't know lua. i know python.

[regal bolt]

1. The compiler is always right
2. if the compiler is wrong see rule #1 XDDDD

That cracked me up XD

[misty mulch]

i mean i have found a text version of "make a guessing number game with lua" and managed to do that just fine, but that used a while loop (which i think makes way more sense than a repeat loop), but sure

[regal bolt]

So is the code, or it's execution (Compiler) wrong?

[misty mulch]

compiler, i think

i just rewrote it to use repeat and it works. also this is probably no longer stalker related

so time to fuck off and find a more general "learn to program" discussion place

[regal bolt]

Fair

[regal bolt]

I kinda wonder how did the DLTXifying the death_outfits.ltx failed tho

The file had priority namewise with it being mod_death_zzz_geo_skat-9, having a proper DLTX prefix for overwriting ! and referred to proper target section with [outfits_by_visual]

It just makes no sense for it to not work...

[fair canopy]

try mod system

you're probably being overwritten by a higher order dltx file

if mod system doesnt work add more Zs until it does

[regal bolt]

Okay. I'mma try that

Wait

mod_system_death... or mod system_death...?

Nah. Jk XD

[fair canopy]

_

[regal bolt]

Oh. Thanks

That might have been it due to the file I'm trying to overwrite being also a mod_system_ file

Time to test this out once more .-.

Oh wait no

[random fulcrum]

z stacking is the single cringiest fucking thing ever

[regal bolt]

It's not. I mistook it for the -

[random fulcrum]

don't ever do that unless it's a life or death situation

[regal bolt]

I couldn't agree more. 9 z's on a single file looks like the modder was just:

[regal bolt]

I mean. It's not, but if I want to make this mod compatible with GAMMA and other Anomaly instances that want custom armor sets that might be neccessary

So far it looks like this, and I have no clue which is actually used XD

Definetly ain't mine due to me testing peregrine kills, but I can inject that armor into the GAMMA one for now and test it

FOR FUCKS SAKE

Changed death_outfits.ltx to spawn it, and it worked

on the first damn kill

[random fulcrum]

people have been telling you about death outfits

[regal bolt]

I know. I tried to DLTX overwrite into that file

But it didn't work no matter what Veer proposed and I came up with

Is DLTX integrated into Gamma or is it like a thing I should install separately, or did I just fuck it all up?

I feel confused af

If I make a separate copy of death_outfits.ltx in my mod I will render the original death_outfits.ltx useless and anyone who would use my mods would need to disable them in case that was changed until I would push an update to it

You know what? Fuck it. I'mma roll with it

In any case I'll just get the "new" death_outfits off of somebody and push it in there as an update

Now just to figure how to make it drop somewhat consistently, with loners having the ability to use both it or ACE, Giving that ability to mercs as well, but what about military and ecos?

Maybe make it drop from some loner models?

With Eco's being able to trade a skat-9 of any faction for it?

That all can wait. I need to figure out how to display the proper player model for legs now lol

This shit displays the typical sweater XD

[misty mulch]

It is, otherwise half the mods wouldn't work

[regal bolt]

Veer. Take a break man. I don't want to waste your weekend. You said that you wanna take time off for now

[misty mulch]

I double checked yesterday, for death_outfits the root file is definitely mod_death_generic

[misty mulch]

Eh I'm doing other coding shit.

[fair canopy]

ah, then then i think the mod of that is mod_death_generic_zzz_whatever

[regal bolt]

Welp. Can you tell me then if lua will recognize a line of code with a ; at the front?

Or is that just a comment line?

[fair canopy]

comment out

it'll ignore a line that starts with ;

[regal bolt]

Okay. Then that's not it

[fair canopy]

if you do
``[item_section]
variableA

;[item_section]
variableA``

it'll ignore the secion line and overwrite your line

[misty mulch]

that's not a lua comment, that's an ltx config comment

[regal bolt]

Uh huh

explains why Lua uses --

but there was a semicolon at the end of ... = io.read();. What is it for?

[misty mulch]

idk

[random fulcrum]

signifies a new line idk

[misty mulch]

goes back to why i think that video tutorial was not good

that ; was unnecessary

[regal bolt]

Oh

Good to know

I heard that some language required ; at the end of all lines to indicate their ends. Is that a myth or is it true for a specific language?

[misty mulch]

true for a bunch of programming languages that aren't lua

[regal bolt]

That must be tedious

[regal bolt]

You know what? I'll just play the game for a few days while thinking on this

Maybe I'll come up with a way for it to be properly acquireable for all factions

[regal bolt]

Hey @vernal epoch mind if I ask you something?

[vernal epoch]

shoot

[regal bolt]

Why did you make overwrite files for the death_outfits instead of dltxing that? It didn't work or was it just easier to do?

[vernal epoch]

Easier to do

[regal bolt]

Okay

Also thank you for "showing me the ropes" of armor modding ^^

Same goes to you Veer and Momo for your countless hours spent on assisting me with learning

[lethal garden]

Can anyone tell me what this section of a weapon ltx does? The $spawn section.

[surreal gust]

That's an option for the level editor

It's used to spawn that object in the level editor

[lethal garden]

Ah i see!

[slow nexus]

So i was modding the pda for a bit of fun and i noticed something interesting, I had extended the geometry to the side of the pda screen and mirrored it so the geometry goes under the thumb and you can see my reshades clock being projected onto the surface of it in game haha

[summer stream]

Gonna leave this for later, since im falling asleep.
So the problem in here is shown on screen, but if I look at blender everything is good, nothing is wrong or something, I have a feeling that i fucked up with bones or something else

[ocean harbor]

I'm working on a mod that lets you smoke cigarettes by a campfire without using a match. My current approach (tried a few) is to unhook the itms_manager.actor_on_item_before_use and put my own callback function in place. This function first checks if you're trying to use a smokeable item, and if you're standing near a lit campfire, and if so, it adds 1 match to your inventory. Then it calls the original itms_manager.actor_on_item_before_use function (which should handle the check for matches and then do the things for actually smoking the cigarette)

Problem here is:
If you have no matches and are near a fire, the game gives you 1 match as expected but still says Matchbox is required, and doesn't smoke
If you have exactly 1 match and are near a fire, it works as expected - you are given one match, cigarette is smoked, you're left with 1 match
If you have more than 1 match and are near a fire, you are given the match as expected but the total count still goes down by 1, so it's like it's using 2 matches for some reason

code :

It seems that actor_on_item_before_use is the thing that checks if you have the appropriate tool and handles all that logic, so I thought that having my code run before it would work, but I must be missing something

[torpid magnet]

hi, where can I get the standard gamma files? thought they were all in folder "mods", but I looked for detectors .ltx and couldn't find them. are some files packed into .db archives, like an anomaly? where are they then?

[summer girder]

Gotta unpack Anomaly, this will roughly double the Anomaly install size

[regal bolt]

hey Momo. Quick question about your Tyrael mod. You made these files for the leg display and some other stuff, but do I need a separate LTX to display the legs if I already have an LTX in the same folder, just different name if I DLTX it?

Oh wait. Nevermind

Also you have comments in cyryllic...?

Why can't you- Wait. Does DLTX not work on specific files or sum shit?

[summer girder]

Are you not supposed to have a ! in front of [ for DLTX stuff
<- has not read a word of the modding book

[regal bolt]

! is for overwriting. Momo there tried to create something that would need a prefix of @

[slow bolt]

Dont need @ to create

[regal bolt]

Question is why didn't it work (Like with my @[outfits_by_visual])

[regal bolt]

?

[slow bolt]

@ is to create if it doesnt exist, and overwrite if it does

[regal bolt]

Yeah

[slow bolt]

you dont need anything if section doesnt exist in the first place

[regal bolt]

Oh

Interesting

[slow bolt]

tldr dont use @

[regal bolt]

What about the ![outfits_by_visual] fuckery?

[slow bolt]

It overwrites if it existed before

throws error into console(non-critical) if it didnt

[regal bolt]

I mean. Take a glance at this and tell me why doesn't it work. I think I followed the modding book to the letter in case of DLTXing, named the file correctly, even added the z spam to let it have priority

[slow bolt]

mod_death

ehh

[regal bolt]

?

[slow bolt]

try mod_system first

[regal bolt]

Tried. Also said fuck all

[slow bolt]

i am not sure what prefix it should have

[slow bolt]

What's the original ltx name

the one you are dltxing

[regal bolt]

death_outfits.ltx

[slow bolt]

mod_death_outfits then

try that

[regal bolt]

Tried. Also said fuck all

[slow bolt]

i'd just go to anomaly server and ask there for help with this

[regal bolt]

Okay. Will do

[slow bolt]

idk why you added ;death_outfits.ltx

[regal bolt]

What was I supposed to add- wait. I have an idea

No... That's not going to work

[regal bolt]

I added it to know which file I'm overwriting. Just a comment in case I ever need to look there for something

Also anyone knows what is this line for?

Wait.

There is another file DLTXing the death_outfits.ltx, being mod_death_generic_g_a_m_m_a_no_integrated_helmets_in_armors.ltx . What if I just try to make my file DLTX to that instead of DLTXing directly to death_outfits.ltx?

Or rename it to mod_death_generic_zzz_geo_skat9.ltx...

brb. Gotta try this out. Not sure if I did

Oh crap

Whoopsie. Forgot I was in the middle of working this out XD

[slow bolt]

You cant dltx the dltx

But you can copy and rename to make sure you are right

[regal bolt]

Nah. It doesn't work after the rename either

sadge

Guess I gotta copy death_outfits.ltx and just paste in my personal changes

Throws compatibility out of the window

[regal bolt]

In any case I'm not going anywhere so I can update the files with the "recent" GAMMA ones if need be

Also I must say that MO2 is undoubtedly a very handy tool at locating specific files within the game structure

Also to make a helmet I follow the same steps?

You know. Making a new item with the @ dltx and stuff?

And one more question. To lower the durability of the suit I just lower the immunity values?

Or are they for the item on the ground only?

[misty mulch]

mod_death_generic, checked with LTXDiff

If you check death_generic it's also the file that has #include death_outfits

And yeah I can't DLTX death_outfits either, except for models that are not already included in it. So no overwrites work in my experience

[regal bolt]

I wonder why is that the case...

[misty mulch]

I have a hunch about csvs but we will see when I have time to test

[regal bolt]

Okay ^^

I made parts and speed to my armor, now how do I couple it to the suit? (or rather in which file do I look so I know how to reference these. Will the game recognize them itself? it's somewhere I have no idea about or...?)

Nevermind! The game recognized some of it, but uhhh... This happened XD

Did I make a typo...? Gotta look into it

Yes I did lol

Welp. Off to the races now that it's fixed. Another test run

Also suprisingly renaming the suit (Debug name) didn't fuck up the game, just removed the item

neat

(Along with my artifacts on the belt)

Hell yeah it worked!

And the custom description is in place as well

Just gotta fix the damn weight, 'cuz for some reason I keep forgetting about it

Also for suit upgrades. I want the last branch of the skat-9 upgrades (life support etc.) to be like doubled. How do I make that last branch copy itself?

Just do it this way?

That didn't work

Hmmm. Okay. Nevermind. Time to make the death_outfits.ltx and the drops

Or no

Time to make a helmet that will be used in tandem with it'

Battle_helm edit time!

[misty mulch]

i may have got the death_outfit dltx working

maybe

i was definitely getting loner novices dropping m50 gas masks

[regal bolt]

This specific ltx worked?

Nevermind. I'll test it myself after I get thhe helmet done

Also isn't deletion handled by !!?

Again. Nevermind. Will test

[misty mulch]

that is for sections, not specific fields

[misty mulch]

read the comments in it before you ask

[regal bolt]

I've read them. That's actually why I asked

Disregard it anyway. I'll run some tests when able

Also one more thing. Why helmets have no fire_wound_protection specified in their LTX?

Is it replaced by hit_fraction_actor only?

[calm epoch]

Hey guys, the question is about voice actor, what is the name of the file responsible for the moment when a new gun is pulled out and merc says for example "not bad" and the russian voice says chiki briki or laughs etc, couldn't find the file, maybe somebody knows the root?

[naive snow]

Doom like inspection is the mod that does that first pull out inspect animation and probably the voice lines

[calm epoch]

I see, thanks, would lurk there

[lone thorn]

yo, in gamma is there separate mod that force the number of artefact slots for outfits? i cant find any way (including making separate mods for armors on top of load order) to change number of slots, but any other changes like weight or resistances are working just fine. im really confused and my autistic brain made me stuck with this shit for like 2 hours xD

[naive snow]

Some outfits might have a DLTX that changes the number of artifact slots.
If you've made a mod system to change that just add some ZZZ in the name so it loads first

A lot of armors have their artefact_count changed in either the BR_class_rework mod or in the no_integrated_helmets_in_armors mod

[misty mulch]

grok's doom like weapon inspections

check its files

[lone thorn]

well, doing changes in both do just nothing, that's why i was thinking about something else hidden in some really weird place

[naive snow]

Just look for the outfit name via Notepad++ search in all file, you'll see where any DLTX are writting to that section and overriding the value

[misty mulch]

you can't just change the .ltx, you need to make your own DLTX patch that overrides it
you could edit the existing DLTX patches but your changes would get undone every time you update GAMMA

[lone thorn]

yea i know all that
actually i have found source of my problem and it was another mod where i just didnt expect these changes, so case closed

[misty mulch]

like Burn said - make sure your DLTX patch loads last, the game loads DLTX patches in alphabetical order

[regal bolt]

I'mma die when I finally find it lol

[hardy hound]

did you filter by file extension type

[regal bolt]

._.

Fuck...

[hardy hound]

example

[regal bolt]

I just realized it looks through .ogg files even XD

[regal bolt]

Thanks ^^

That's a lot faster

Weird

Helmets have no set br_class

Or that's just wrapped around somehow terribly hard to find

Neither in o_helmets, mod_system_items_armors_br_class_rework nor mod_system_items_helmets_psy_boost

You know what? Let me just try and make a helmet without specifying the br_class. Maybe it's the hit_fraction_factor...

That actually would make sense considering that hit_fraction_factor would be it now that I compare the file stats and ingame stats I've written down...

Gotta look for fire_wound_protection tho if hit_fraction_factor is the BR qwp

That makes no sense. No helmet has fire_wound_protection or br_class. Where tf do they pull the ballistic resistance stat ingame from then... Ouuta their asses?

Fuck it. We roll without it.

Worst case scenario it will have battle_helm br stats, which is more than fine

[misty mulch]

nothing in the game uses br_class so it doesn't matter

[worthy fiber]

it is based on hit_fraction

[misty mulch]

all of it is hit_fraction_actor

[worthy fiber]

you can see how i edit some values of armor #1244709304431284294

ball res is based on bone_protection_koeff as i remember it basically means that armor's ball res is based on an armor value of the bone that is defined in damages.ltx

[misty mulch]

yep. adb only uses bone_koeff_protection values for bone armor and hit_fraction_actor for AP res

[regal bolt]

So to leave it this just like a typical Sphere M12 helmet would I have to set
hit_fraction_actor = 0.7
bones_koeff_protection = actor_helm_battle
and that's it?

No fucking around with calculating BR class for it and stuff?

Because rn I'm calculating this exact shit for radiation. I came to a conclusion that
radiation_protection = 1
in the armors .ltx file would equal to ~3875 mSv rad res ingame

Compared helm_battle and exo_helm and they both have similar values in the end for x, where "stat in file * x = stat ingame"

[worthy fiber]

there is how br class is determined

[misty mulch]

we keep telling you, stop trying to design armors based on what the stat card output will be, just make it similar to armors of the class you want

stick to the actual values that matter, don't bother trying to figure out what the stat card output should be

[regal bolt]

Thing is there is nothing even close to that, so I'm making my own XD

[misty mulch]

then start reading it as "if the shot doesn't penetrate this helmet, it does x0.7 times damage"

WAY more useful than br shit

[regal bolt]

Oh. I don't really care about BR at the moment. As long as that can be tied to the bones_koeff_protection it's out of my mind. I was talking about the rad res rn. Sorry for misunderstanding ^^'

But I was quite suprised to see no stats for it. Just saying

[worthy fiber]

it would be good it was like that
coz 1 additional point of br class can make huge sense
anyway dont worry about it too much

[misty mulch]

it's frustrating because we collectively spent like 4 hrs on friday with you going over all of this shit with you for armors

it is exactly the same for helmets

[worthy fiber]

bone armor value * 0.8

it is how it will be displayed

and how it will work

[regal bolt]

Okay. Seems fair

[worthy fiber]

adjuster is 0.8
the same for helmets

[regal bolt]

Sorry. I guess I was on a chase after something that shouldn't be there in the first place

[regal bolt]

Hm. Okay. That's interesting

[worthy fiber]

do you use momo's accurate stats mod?

[regal bolt]

Yeah

Why?

[worthy fiber]

just wanted to know you prevent incorrect displayed stats or not

[regal bolt]

Fair. Thanks for the consideration ^^

Okay. Does this look fine? Am I missing anything?

[regal bolt]

Also do I need a separate file for the helmet or leaving it in the same file as the armor will do the trick?

(Excluding the xml text of course)

[regal bolt]

Fuuuuuuuuck

Worst thing? I don't even know what it means lol. I guess something with the XML file ending

[regal bolt]

I forgot a / at the </string_table> to close it. Time to test if that was it

IT WORKS! HAHA!

[open oasis]

LET'S. FUCKING. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[regal bolt]

Now I gotta fix the category and repair kits

[random fulcrum]

it just needs to have a deepfried icon to make it properly stand out

[regal bolt]

?

Ngl I kinda just want the same icon, or the same helmet as icon, but with the ecolog written in the place of SOP

But I can't do that right now as my phone is dead

And by dead I mean dead-dead. Not battery discharged

And I gotta make it compatible with headgear animations

I love that mod

but it recognized this as an M40 gas mask XD

[lethal garden]

Hey guys! How do I remove the particles that artefacts emit?

[regal bolt]

Seeing shit like this in code makes me giggle. I fucking love it

[slow bolt]

I leave those all the time

[regal bolt]

I know and I love you for it XD

Just makes me chuckle to look through and see that I'm not alone in not understanding/ worrying about half of the code XD

Time to fire up the game and see if my custom armor pieces are recognized by the other stuff now.

Wish me luck lol

Another success, and another failure

Helmet is recognized as "Heavy" category, and I calculated the stats properly.

Yes. The Psy and Rad res are supposed to be that high. That's the whole gimmick of this armor

The rest is thrown out the window

Oh and ballistic res

Also the parts are in place. I did not screenshot that. dammit

I gotta figure out how to actually make it work for the animated headgears now

That may be hard, due to no info on thebattle_helmet in the files besides this

item_visual                 = dynamics\weapons\wpn_headgear\battle_hud.ogf```

But I'll manage. I can't give up now. Too deep in this shit to give tf up

Can anyone reccomend any software to open up an .anm file to watch it?

[celest forge]

Blender

[regal bolt]

Welp. Nevermind. Not going that far

I'll just guess lol

Or try all of them

I guess that... should... work

Eh. We'll see

[open oasis]

bro is documenting every single step of the journey and i'm invested

[regal bolt]

Glad you like it

[regal bolt]

Tbh I'm just bored and I don't wanna feel alone

Also typing here about it all works well as a "rubber duck" technique. The more you talk about the coding the more ideas and fixes come to mind

If it was called like that. I think it was

Anyways! Back to the code. Time to test this bitch once again

Fuck. Still defaults to m40 for some reason

Wait up. Right. How would it even recognize the damn mask

Gotta figure it out

[ember herald]

Holy fuck, So the pinned messages are a little overwealming. Is there any way to quickly edit damage values of guns? If not I just wont worry about it. I just found some overtuned weapons mods that seems to be mirrored in damage value.

[random fulcrum]

change hit_power

each value is the damage the gun will use on a given gameplay difficulty

easy through master

[ember herald]

And where can I change that? Do I NEED some program or can I literally find it in a text file?

[random fulcrum]

open the gun's ltx

in any text editor ever

[ember herald]

Oh wait. Cant you do it in game? Or does that not work?

[random fulcrum]

no

[ember herald]

OKay so the f7 weapon stats thing doesn't do the thing

Thanks a bunch 🙂

I found a 5.56 that hits at 42 per shot which is 7 more than every other 5.56 There is a 6.8 that hits at 23 in a rifle caliber I wanna edit those and a couple revolvers. got a 357 caliber one doing 102 per shot where the 50 caliber version hits for 68. Weird shit

[random fulcrum]

poor guy

[ember herald]

oh its absolutely needed too. that 357 is VERY prevalent in my game and I consistantly get one banged by it.

[random fulcrum]

what happened to that default discord profile picture guy that did some kaze emanuar shit to the engine

@summer girder

[summer girder]

Gah damn

I hope he cooks more

[regal bolt]

Aaaaand I'm stuck. I have no idea how to make the headgear mod recognize my geo_battle_helm...

I could ask the creator I guess

But first a damn break. I've been on it for far too long in a single sitting

@crisp oxide Hey man. Are you the one who made Headgear animations mod?

[crisp oxide]

Ye

[regal bolt]

1. I love your mod. Sorry. Just had to say it. Makes the game 100x more immersive to take of the helmet to smoke a cig

2. Could you help me with making a compatibility patch for new helmets? I made one on the base of Sphere M12 as you can see above, but I had no luck implementing it into your mod

Instead I just get the M40 animation

[crisp oxide]

Ye
I made it so that if there are no dedicated animation for a helmet it defaults to m40

What is your helmet section name in config files?

[regal bolt]

You mean the debug name?

geo_helm_battle

or [geo_helm_battle]

[crisp oxide]

Noice

I'm kinda busy rn
But I can write quick explanation later

[regal bolt]

Sure! Just ping me once you get it and I'll try to implement it. Thanks for your time ^^

[crisp oxide]

Np
Always happy to help

[regal bolt]

Okay. Now that this is postponed I guess I'll get to making the DLTX for drops.

[ember herald]

Got a question cause I am dumb.

If I have a gun added through a pack and then download the same gun fromt he same mod author in just a single yet more updooted version of the gun does it make a second gun? Or by putting the single mod at the bottom of the list does it overwrite the gun in the pack of other guns?

[regal bolt]

ANOTHER HELL YEAH!
@misty mulch Thanks for revising the mod_death_generic thingy! Now I can make poor Peregrine drop the armor! ^^

[obsidian void]

Probably, I'm not exactly sure how that works

[regal bolt]

Just gotta now implements the parts for the helmet properly

[ember herald]

Also I am very confused by this. SO I am trying to edit the damage values of a weapon I think 6.8x50 cal should hit harder than 5.56x45 I change the hit impulse to the same as another weapon whos damage I want to immulate and it gives me a COMPLETELy different value.

Do I need to edit the ammo?

[obsidian void]

Probably, I'm not exactly sure how that works

[misty mulch]

Hit_impulse is "how hard should this ragdoll NPCs", k_hit is the actual damage multiplier for ammos

[surreal gust]

Becoming the next tomygd

[regal bolt]

Done and done. I forgot to add ![con_parts_list] at the beginning of the file XD

[misty mulch]

Damage is, roughly, gun hit_power * ammo k_hit

[misty mulch]

Whichever mod has the higher priority number in MO2, overwrites all other files with the same name

[ember herald]

Where do I find K hit? 😮

[misty mulch]

ammo config file

[random fulcrum]

in the ammo file

[ember herald]

Hmmmmmm

[misty mulch]

See my second msg though

[ember herald]

![ammo_vanilla]
ammo_6.8x51_ap = 5, recipe_ammo_0, casing_r5,3,powder_3,4,bullet_r5_ap,3

It dunny have K_hit

[misty mulch]

Wrong config file

[ember herald]

o.o

[misty mulch]

You're looking at recipes

[ember herald]

Not this?

[misty mulch]

I don't know, I don't use that mod. Keep looking

[ember herald]

OOPA!

I fount it

Yeah idk man the 6.8 dealing 28 damage needs to change

Thanks for all the assistance!

[misty mulch]

Remember that everything in the game has a base health of 1

More or less.

[ember herald]

Oh. Cause I was about to tripple it to try and "Fix" The number

Almost

[misty mulch]

Ignore whatever the fuck is on the stat card, balance it by calculating gun hit_power * ammo k_hit

[random fulcrum]

and dividing by 1.5

[ember herald]

Got ya. I wanna make it round about the same power as a 7.62x51 Just a little less. Maybe like 6 damage or so less.

[misty mulch]

Yeah close enough

[random fulcrum]

because otherwise the weapon's shown damage will be still off

[ember herald]

OOh nearly perfect. 47 for the cqb version and 54 for the sniper. Thats not terribad

[deep sentinel]

got a stupid HUD modding question - how would I go about moving these messages to another position on screen? using an unholy amalgam of zver for main hud, aydin's tweaks for inventory/dialogs/etc, cold system, bhsro and dynahud so i have to sorta throw together my own patch, everything's in place how i want it except those infernal messages if i can somehow figure out what xml tag or mcm setting i need to move them

[tropic stratus]

is anyone making a mod for the SR-25 animations?

or in general gun animations? i noticed that most guns dont have ammo checking animations, and am pretty sure all dont have jam animations

[celest forge]

There's a lot with unjam

[tropic stratus]

i dont doubt it lol, was just curious

[crisp oxide]

in short

(u probably know how dltx work, but just in case will make more detailed explanation)
you can create file in the configs folder with name mod_system_mymod.ltx
and add there a section with your helmet name and _headgear_hud at the end like so:

[geo_helm_battle_headgear_hud]:helmet_headgear_hud

helmet_headgear_hud at the end shows that your section inherits from helmet_headgear_hud with all it's params
helmet_headgear_hud section is inside gamedata/configs/items/items/item_headgear.ltx file in Headgear Animations mod. You can find all other animation descriptions there

I kinda wish it was better structured than this, but It was my first mod so I was just figuring out how to do things through trial and error

[next iris]

Hello guys

Where is the mesh for this house on Kordon village located? Its the one which spawned merc armor in vanilla.

I am missing a a texture and I want to know which one is it.

[regal bolt]

Will try this in a few minutes. Thanks for explanation ^^

[surreal gust]

That's compiled into the level

You can't locate it

You have to decompile the level and get its sources from.

[next iris]

So jank.

Is there any guides on X-ray 3d import-export? Especially for blender and stuff.

Or atleast specs, what they have to be, etc

[surreal gust]

I said you need to decompile the level, blender x-ray tools cannot do that.

[vale knot]

Unfortunately these are positioned only by the engine, no way to move them without editing the engine itself

[undone lily]

I'm wondering how hard it would be to display an image of the armor + an image of the helmet on a 3D model next to the inventory. Basically matching the equipped gear

It would have no purpose though xD

I guess the hardest part is taking blender pictures of all armors + all helmets in a pose that allows to super impose the helmet over the body image (basically hide head of the character when doing blender renders of the armor, hide the whole body when doing blender render of the helmet, display an image at the right of the inventory base on the armor, same for the helmet and a naked face if no helmet is equipped)

Immersion: 100

[summer girder]

Like Minecraft

[fair canopy]

[noble coyote]

How difficult would it be to adjust npc stalker movement speeds? I'd like them to match the player (from what I understand the npc ones were increased at some point).

[regal bolt]

Wish I could do that

[torpid badge]

Is it currently possible to have an armor with more than 5 slots using basic gamma? Or will the inventory UI need a rework to support that?

[fair canopy]

There's a mod on moddb thst let's you see more slots

[deep sentinel]

good to know, thanks - i was able to fix my problem with Dynamic Aspect Ratio Tweaks, just using it to set the offset of the messages list, so i guess my problem is solved for now 🤣

[next iris]

Yeah it was unrelated, I just went on substituting the textures until it worked, without decompilong. Blender import export I need to create new decor .ogf files, unrelated. They have to have some physics

[regal bolt]

Hey. So I just finished doing this as I forgor, but now that it's done I'll go and test it, and dw. I have probably way less experience than you, and you did an amaizing mod, while I really just copied an armor and changed it's parameters. Keep up the gods work brother

Okay. So now it works, but displays an ACH-7 animation. I think I can take it from there tho ^^

Just gotta change the Item visual probably ^^'

Hell yeah! We got it to work! Thanks man ^^

Now to incorporate a mask overlay...

Hmmm

There is nothing in the mod I use, but there may be something in the anomaly configs I can use to make the helmet tap into it

[simple scaffold]

dltx this: https://github.com/Tosox/STALKER-Anomaly-gamedata/blob/v1.5.2/gamedata/configs/plugins/actor_effects.ltx#L28

or the very similar file that groks/nav's masks uses instead of that one.

or both, that should be fine too.

[regal bolt]

Thanks for the tip-off, but I still have no clue what am I looking for besides maybe something referring to "HUD", "Overlay" or "Mask" (in the overlay sense). You sure it's these?

These maybe?

Also I have to set up the DLTXing tool

[slow bolt]

you dont need a tool

[regal bolt]

You sure?

[slow bolt]

You already did a DLTX file, and without a tool

you really dont need it

i dont even know what it does

[regal bolt]

How will I know how to name a patch for some other mod besides the mod_system_namehere deal?

[slow bolt]

Dont think a tool shows you that

[regal bolt]

Isn't it made for this purpose?

[slow bolt]

by asking

eh i guess this is the only legitimate use it has

[regal bolt]

Wait. Hold up. I can stick anything in the DLTX'ed file? Even if it refers to multiple mods?

[slow bolt]

other that dltx-ifying conventional mods

[slow bolt]

yeah

Its all combined into one file in the end

[regal bolt]

Wow. Neat

Convenience

[slow bolt]

that is how the game always did it

[regal bolt]

Faster to read configs off of a single compiled file than to look through over 500 directories in all the mods I suppose

[slow bolt]

imo it does symbolic links, which is effectively the same thing

[regal bolt]

Ngl whatever it does it's an efficient and useful way ^^

Does that look correct, should I remove the ! or...?

[simple scaffold]

the highlited bits, those are texture names that match up to the mask overlay. the red bits are the section names of the helmets.

[simple scaffold]

and discord did the not scrolling thing again.

looks ok.

that file is it's own root.

[regal bolt]

So far for compatibility I made this

[simple scaffold]

do not try and use mod_system this file doesn't ahv system as a root.

[regal bolt]

Oh

[random fulcrum]

damn that empty inheritance won't make the engine throw a fit?

it's extremely uncomfortable to look at

[slow bolt]

Momo is uncomfortable

keep it up

[simple scaffold]

IDK about the engine but i also don't like it.

[regal bolt]

mod_actor_generic_geobattlehelm.ltx will work then?

[random fulcrum]

actor_effects

[regal bolt]

Clearly doesn't with this for example

[simple scaffold]

mod_actor_effects_thing.ltx and it needs to be in the same folder as actor_effects.ltx

[slow bolt]

you dont have : with nothing

[regal bolt]

Got it boss

[slow bolt]

in the pic momo replied to - you do

[random fulcrum]

yeah the : signals you're inheriting from something

[regal bolt]

OH SHIT! I did that intuitevly XD

[random fulcrum]

that may or may not make the engine trip

[regal bolt]

My bad. Fixed already ^^'

[simple scaffold]

well the top part goes in system, the overlay part doesn't.

Nothing in configs/plugins is part of system. 90% of the files are thier own root.

[regal bolt]

Folder path is in the green if you want to make sure

[regal bolt]

So if no inheritance the semicolon is not a welcome sign. Got it