╓☢stalker-chat

[graceful quiver]

Also do it there, not here

[deep wing]

[lethal steeple]

#📢development message this shit is turbo scumbag behavior and the funniest part is that juan and i called it years in advance

but it was an open secret basically and the safest bet ever really

[shadow cave]

Does anyone have any good base suggestions for ISG? I’m getting tired of my Jupiter Underground spot and the Merc base

[dusk vessel]

what is it even about exactly

juan made the original brn180 model i guess?

[near estuary]

talk about doubling down

oh well

I'm sure nothing bad will come from this

[mystic flame]

whatre they even arguing about

[near estuary]

#╟🔰☢newbies-chat message

[dusk vessel]

juan was being a cunt to people but i guess he doesent care

[lethal steeple]

it's not about why he got kicked but what grok did really

but like the last time shit will just be ignored

maybe thrown around as a gag among "truthers"

[near estuary]

what did he do

[lethal steeple]

or well not "last time" because then it was a hissy fit full of threats but he never went along with them

[dusk vessel]

i was mostly asking about the BRN tbf

[lethal steeple]

yeah

i know

[dusk vessel]

since its damage in the ltx is 53 below the other 7.62s

which is 57/58 sometimes 59

[lethal steeple]

grok never cared about permissions

but boy he likes to moral grandstand

[mystic flame]

juan being abrasive and getting kicked, but what does the model being sent to github imply

[lethal steeple]

he removed it from moddb to fuck with gamma

if a mod from moddb is removed the installer dies

until it's mirrored

[dusk vessel]

after getting banned? bruh

[mystic flame]

oh

[lethal steeple]

for a mod he was never asked permission for

[dusk vessel]

yeah i know

[lethal steeple]

and one that he actively didn't want in gamma

[dusk vessel]

hes said in the past that his gun mods werent made for gamma

when people asked about gamma

[mystic flame]

grok do be just doin shit

I was wondering like "juan kick just sounds justified whats the issue" But yea makes sense now

[near estuary]

quite funny considering the reshade incident from a while back
which granted, wasn't the same situation but the charge was the same, having someone's shit without their permission

[dusk vessel]

im pretty sure if it came down to it the brn would just be removed

[lethal steeple]

but muh save retrocompatibility you know

[dusk vessel]

not me starting a new save after like a week of ingame time

never understood why people stay in the same save so long

[near estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-truth-nuke-emission-truth-emission-call-of-pripyat-gif-14229726997207095026

[dusk vessel]

ive never had the issue that an update dropped mid run lmao

[mystic flame]

theres only so much you can even do in gamma

how're people playing the same save for months consistently

[near estuary]

mental illness

[dusk vessel]

i usually stop my runs when i wipe the cnpp

and as a sendoff to the save talk to the wishgranter

[near estuary]

cuz wtf do you do after that

[mystic flame]

to be fair ive spent alot of time doing loot runs for my bad hoarding habit

[dusk vessel]

i mean i do hoard also

but i sell stuff often

[near estuary]

that's what gamma is about

[dusk vessel]

there is furniture for you to build your hoarding estate

its cool

[lethal steeple]

nothing bad will

why would it

only very few people even give a fuck about the actual people behind the mods in the curated modlist

for all intents and purposes gamma is a solo dev passion project, grok did develop everything here

moreover he does provide an easy way to install 500+ mods in one click

[dusk vessel]

making them work together properly is probably the hardest part no?

[lethal steeple]

what's him moral grandstanding and having an infinite ego and shitting on mod authors for not giving him permissions to use their mods and using them anyways going to do to the modpack

there won't be drama

[lethal steeple]

not really

since dltx was made available compatibility between mods basically solved itself

gamma has a trillion patch mods because it's patches for patches for patches for patches that weren't even for compatibility in the first place

but some minuscule balance change

and then the next patch needed to backport some newer feature or something actually broke elsewhere due to the changes and the outdated script

so on and so forth

it's why you get people saying that there should be a gamma lite because at the end of the day gamma is just not being able to sell items, the artefact rework, gbo, and the adb

and the focus on crafting, of course

[lethal steeple]

to add to this, stalker_boss never gets flak from end users

because for all what people care, bro has a massive modpack

[sick yoke]

literally the equivalent of a children's playground fight

[small ermine]

Damn

[sick yoke]

"gimme your toy i want it"
"no i'm not giving it to you"
"well i'm taking it anyway!!!!!!"
"well if you're taking it then i'm breaking my toy so you can't have it!"
"well i'm getting my own toy that's the exact same as your toy anyway!!!! also i hate you and i'm getting you banned from the playground"

[round onyx]

Psystorm hits
In 3 loads I can't run anywhere for cover
Zone hates that run in specific huh

[lethal steeple]

you could simplify wars down to this

[dusk vessel]

yeah you could

some of them are exactly like this

politicians having their playground fights and young men dying for it

[sick yoke]

Probably

Anyway my point is uhhhhh

Grow the fuck up

[round onyx]

Nah wars would be "I don't want you being able to get toys or you might get the toys I might want in the future"

carthago delenda est or smth like that

[atomic pebble]

there a gamba lite, not by the gambas of course, but it exists

[lethal steeple]

i mean color me surprised

of course it exists

people want an official one

[near estuary]

what gamba lite

[atomic pebble]

check the name of the screenshot

[sand lark]

why wouldnt someone want their mod in a modpack? its literally just a free mod they made and uploaded to moddb specifically so people could use it if they wanted to. its not like theres any cash at stake anyways.

[lethal steeple]

etiquette

respect

[atomic pebble]

For thingis like:
His work don't works as intended out of the game where he did the OG mod
He doens't want his resources in other mod because x reason (whatever it be)
Don't receive credits on the mod/modpack where it's his mod
He don't want be related to the devs of the x mod/modpack that taked his mod
Atleast these are the probable reasons that i would have in my mind for these thingis, the mods commonly are totally free sooo imo anyone could do whatever they want while it don't make damage to the OG thingi or it be a bad port

[lethal steeple]

gamma is marketed as a solo project

grok does take donations and you're reminded to donate every time you run the installer

modders might have donation links, yes

but have you EVER clicked on any given mod in gamma's moddb page?

be real

[atomic pebble]

"Mmm, i guess that like 1000 persons worked directly and indirectly in the existence of gamba, including people that already it's dead since 20 years ago"

[lethal steeple]

it's as easy as
"can i use your mod in my modpack"
"no"
"ok thank you for your time"

instead of
"no"
"well FUCK YOU you MANCHILD i'm using it anyways"

which is also even worse than
"no"
"ok" (uses it anyways but doesn't say anything)

like sure it might be "a free mod" but it's still the author's time and dedication to the craft

[sand lark]

if you release a mod for a game for free then it belongs to the internet forever. as long as someone isnt directly profiting from it. grok isnt profiting, donating is optional , also he has worked for a long time to make this modpack work so its not like hes exactly ripping it off and reuploading to make a quick buck

[lethal steeple]

it's just disrespectful

[pearl galleon]

demos "alfa modmaker" fenrus

hes like a warhammer character is hilarious

[lethal steeple]

yeah it's on the internet forever true but respect and etiquette are still required

just yesterday i got a dm from a guy in the anomaly server asking me for permission to use my dltx edit for the 20g slugs i made 4 years ago

he even said that it himself that it was best practice to ask for permission

because of respect and etiquette

[near estuary]

yeah so where do I get it

[lethal steeple]

at the end of the day it's one of those things you can't really understand unless you're part of the scene

like how when artists don't want their art being reposted

[atomic pebble]

Differences between demosfen and gamba:
Demosfen is a alphamodmaker that will stole everything that he wants and will admit that yes, he stoled this
Demosfen is furry
Demosfen implemented new plots and maps to his mod
Gamba is french-made
French government don't implemented new plots and maps to his mod
French government isn't furry (supposedly)

[opaque moss]

[near estuary]

[pearl galleon]

so thats what demosfen means when he says "alfa" huh?

[opaque moss]

"it belongs to the internet" is probably my favorite argument ever ngl

[atomic pebble]

The alphamodmaker never will be forget

[pearl galleon]

alfa modmaker of the ages

[frank oxide]

its still there, Juan just edited the texture to contain a mario goatse, the words "its still my gun" and two dudes kissing among others
shit you usually don't see unless looking at the .dds, playing on dx8/dx9 or ultrawide

the patchnotes for that change just said "cheers"

but! in an event where it would get removed he did get it over to github as contingency

[near estuary]

works for everything

[random grail]

Wait what juan did

[pearl galleon]

he juaned all over the place

[near estuary]

got banned for calling pipnik a nazi
or something

[opaque moss]

yeah exactly, it also leaves a gap for you to feel like you're obviously superior to the other person because you clearly know """how it works"""

[olive ingot]

Hey guys

Does anyone have this weird issue with mouse input freezing every few seconds? The game doesnt freeze, but mouse movement doesnt track.

Also it stops after 2 minutes of gameplay each load, which is x2 weird

It's not an issue with the driver or mouse, it only happens in Gamma

[pearl galleon]

pipnik got achievement: get a kill while waiting to respawn

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[sand lark]

imo if youre not ok with it being shared without permission then dont upload it for free for anyone to take. you dont lose the original work when someone downloads a copy obviously . yeah its good manners to ask but honestly its kind of a waste of time. is grok expected to personally write emails to 500 + mod owners for this modpack? you can still put it on a cv if that is relevant to you in any way, but at the end of the day its a mod that was uploaded for free for other people to use. getting into a modpack as big as gamma increases the amount of people who will play with it as most people dont fuck with making their own modpacks

[pearl galleon]

this is why pipnik is the goat

[frank oxide]

he won't respawn

[frank oxide]

not once mind you

[near estuary]

huh

[pearl galleon]

even his ghost kills beta shit talkers. pipnik is ultimate shit talker of history. he now becomes this server's version of Godwin's law

[near estuary]

oh like more than once

[frank oxide]

since August 2025 there were at least a few allusions to it and a direct spelling recently which got reported to us

[sand lark]

i think people are too touchy when it comes to "permissions" for free mods . like who actually cares anyway. youre free to disagree with me though , i dont have much of a stake in this

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/tuxedo-cat-uni-stare-look-cat-gif-10563445165587254274

[frank oxide]

which you kinda made happen btw

[random grail]

Tbh i never liked juan

[near estuary]

HUH

[frank oxide]

since you brought Pipnik up and Juan in response did the "swastika armband" comment

and that was the reported image

[sand lark]

what am i supposed to do with this lol

[near estuary]

[frank oxide]

because Juan was explicitely told NOT to bring that topic up, same as Whiskey Sam

Sam got the message

Juan held a grudge

[opaque moss]

well yeah, there's plenty of people that have done that. and even then you can just use your eyes and read the "license" section that you can find in most mods where any kind of art is involved
at the end of the day it's all about very basic respect and the fact that you're taking this long to understand it is kinda concerning

[lethal steeple]

bro had to go through the "you're getting exposure!!!" route lmfao many such cases

again dude

have you EVER clicked on any given mod's moddb link

EVER

ONCE

do you even KNOW how made wpo

[near estuary]

did pipnik fuck Juan's mom or something
cuz if you're pissed at someone, why not just call them a retard?

[atomic pebble]

(the 99.99% of people never click it)

[lethal steeple]

a mod that's vital to gamma's gameplay loop

is wpo's author getting ANY exposure

[sand lark]

no need for passive aggressive comments, id rather not live in a post discussion society

[lethal steeple]

ANY recognition

[atomic pebble]

(no)

[opaque moss]

yeah actually why was pipnik being called nazi, I never understood that
he was clearly just a ragebaiter

[lethal steeple]

the one time he changed his pfp to a nazi furry thing

[sand lark]

yes i have many times , though never to donate lol. usually for a better description or something

[lethal steeple]

juan had a crazy grudge against pipnik so it stuck to him insano style

[atomic pebble]

Perhaps pipnik will like Zero Investment

[opaque moss]

not passive aggressive, it's as direct as I can get

[near estuary]

he's probably hiding inside the gamedata folder of ZI

[frank oxide]

Juan was angry at the Anomaly Custom dudes for stealing his shit, he made a blog about it on moddb
At some point there was a discussion between Juan and Pipnik, when Juan brought up Anomaly Custom or something Pipnik just said "based" or reacted with an emoji

that was the first case of "oh so you're a nazi because you approve of anomaly custom"

then there was the profile picture incident, because Pipnik is a retard who makes hilariously bad decisions

Whiskey Sam, another chatter also picked up on the profile picture thing and aligned Pipnik to a neo-nazi because of the anti-furry pfp he had as part of some joke or whatever he was doing

and both Sam and Juan did the nazi witchhunt

[opaque moss]

like genuinely just give it a thought and think about what you're saying

[frank oxide]

Pipnik wasn't a saint because he was baiting interactions or meme spamming, which he eventually got banned for

[sand lark]

well im not "not getting it" im simply disagreeing with the premise, thats all

[frank oxide]

and won't be unbanned because no one will babysit him

[near estuary]

crazy lore

[lethal steeple]

disagreeing with the concepts of respect and etiquette is crazy

[opaque moss]

yeah like what's up with that

[frank oxide]

there were multiple reports made, multiple times both sides were told to block eachother and just go their seperate ways but noo

[uncut agate]

The difference is that GAMMA isn't a standalone file merge of all these mods like has occured in other games. Add-ons included have been downloaded millions of times in some cases due to GAMMA installer and the creators have gained exposure they never would have otherwise. The add-ons themselves are clearly listed in MO2 with credit given.

There is also the argument that that many add-ons are inherently more valuable to the player experience when included in GAMMA as opposed to standalone.

A system like GAMMA would be impossible if every little thing needed permission for "etiquette" reasons. As it stands, everybody involved gets more exposure and donations. It's certainly a net positive.

[sand lark]

what are you talking about lmao

[lethal steeple]

so long as my platform is bigger than yours respect and etiquette be damned YOU should be thanking ME for platforming you and giving you exposure

[near estuary]

next he's gonna say minimum wage employees should be proud of barely being alive because their work contributes to a CEOs bank account

[celest sparrow]

Downloads don't mean much

[lethal steeple]

the entire convo is you not seeing the respect angle

[sand lark]

"exposure" lmao like hes gonna make the news and get headhunted by NASA with a fucking stalker mod

[opaque moss]

it's basic respect for anyone's work and time yeah

[frank oxide]

"just telling a square they're a square"
"swastika armband wearing"

not to mention those "kill all browns" messages he sent, then promptly deleted or saying racist shit against italians i think it was...

then its the usual, chat derailment, gunnutting, offtopic, constant arguments, being insufferable

the only reason he wasn't banned in 2025 alongside pipnik was because Josta was the main driver for reports and looking into Juan, so his ban meant evidence void lol

[uncut agate]

Gets you top of moddb. If you're modding for the love of the game, I'd assume you'd want people to actual play it. More eyes means more donos to support your work.

[lethal steeple]

have the top moddb mods changed since gamma is around

[celest sparrow]

No

[lethal steeple]

exactly

[celest sparrow]

So what they are saying is dumb

[sand lark]

@lethal steeple the angle im taking is that if you require a hand written thank you note with a complimentary blowjob for creating a mod and uploading it for free when no one asked for one, then maybe you shouldnt be uploading it int he first place if it truly means that much to you

[near estuary]

[lethal steeple]

i know a lot of people in the scene that either don't care about download numbers or are actively against being in gamma because it muddies their download numbers

[uncut agate]

You think the top 100 mods haven't changed since being included in GAMMA? That's literally millions of DLs

[lethal steeple]

since they don't know who their audience actually is

[opaque moss]

type of dude that won't even thank waiters lmao

[frank oxide]

so yea, basically shit was meant to happen - just took half a year to come

[near estuary]

yeah it's not like the top 100 mods got included in GAMMA

[lethal steeple]

and the donations thing

like

again

[celest sparrow]

Because it really doesn't give any exposure and at the same time, the amount of Downloads given to a mod doesn't directly support Mod Developers because there's no conversion of leads into donors / supporters
The Top 100 mods have been the same throughout the year mainly because they are already included within GAMMA but also in other modpacks like ????

[uncut agate]

Every single "casual" person getting involved in anomaly modding is another person who will potential support your work

[lethal steeple]

does anyone in this chat know who made wpo

[uncut agate]

Gamma drives more casuals than anything

[opaque moss]

korg

[near estuary]

arti something
idk the full name

[opaque moss]

yeah arti basically

I think his full name was artificic tho

[celest sparrow]

How hard it is to have proper etiquette and respect for other people's work

Maybe you should look into yourself a bit more

[uncut agate]

I'm saying GAMMA drives so many people into anomaly that it's a net positive no matter what.

[atomic pebble]

gamba downloads:
💔 😡 FUCKING SHIT, FUCK GAMBA😤 ☔
downloads by people that actually wants and search ur mod:
❤️‍🩹 KEEP YOURSELF SAFE💯 ❤️ 🥰

[sand lark]

where is it implied that using someones free mod for a modpack is inheritently disrespectful?

[celest sparrow]

But it doesn't drive them into knowing who made these mods at all unless they are looking for proper support

[celest sparrow]

When it is explicitly stated that they don't want their work to be included?

Are you dense

[lethal steeple]

asking for permissions, not being granted permissions, using it anyways

[near estuary]

you really are fighting a losing battle here

[celest sparrow]

Grok once came up and said that he will make a mod because the mod author didn't want their mod to be included, that's just stupid

[lethal steeple]

do you take the entire plate of taste try cookies just because it's free

[near estuary]

or rather

[frank oxide]

"Recognition" of mods and mod creators in modpacks can be aligned the same as youtube reaction videos or shorts

someone takes the original product which took weeks/months to create by a lesser creator or other, reuploads it on a huge following channel and possibly adds commentary (or not) and he gains more views and recognition from it than the original poster

they'll excuse it with "oh but my 750k views makes people go look at their stuff" when its simply not true

[near estuary]

the battle has already been lost

[uncut agate]

Casuals have a conversion rate to hardcores, who are actually the people who donate. But you need that influx in the first place.

[lethal steeple]

bro won't respond to this because you're a mod

[scenic trench]

...
wtf am I witnessing rn?
...
slowly backs away

[celest sparrow]

Yeah which is a really small amount of people

[near estuary]

more like, do you take them all right after their baker told you not to?

[celest sparrow]

out of 500k, you can expect at least 500 to actually give a shit for the mods people have made

[uncut agate]

Sure. But GAMMA has introduced hundreds of thousands of potential entrants. Hardcores don't magically appear. It's like any community.

[celest sparrow]

Yeah, like I said that only a small amount will really care

[atomic pebble]

According to this comment:

OH, A RANDOM WITH A SPECIAL COLOUR TALKS AGAINST MY POSITION
This is so over guys😭

[lethal steeple]

surely bro would argue that nowhere was stated that you must only take up to one, therefore taking all of them is fair play

[uncut agate]

Of course! That's can be said if literally anything, but you NEED a huge population to draw that small % of hardcores from.

[near estuary]

the reddit gambit

[sand lark]

the simple act of uploading a mod for free in the first place counts as consent for it to be potentially added to a modpack. all mod creators know it is a possibility before they upload it so they do it knowing full well what could happen. if they dont know then it is a lesson they will learn for free, seeing as there are no real consequences to literally any of this.

[celest sparrow]

So the amount of downloads means jackshit

[near estuary]

the simple act of uploading a mod for free in the first place counts as consent for it to be potentially added to a modpack
it doesn't btw

[sick yoke]

that is not consent LMAO

[celest sparrow]

which is the end goal of Grok's method anyway as to give exposure

[lethal steeple]

no way bro inserted consent

[near estuary]

you're literally talking out of your ass

[uncut agate]

Bro I feel you are being intellectually difficult. You know exactly what I'm explaining.

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fuck-is-going-on-itstommylove-stalker-stalker-2-confused-gif-1537466113914461076

[frank oxide]

"you'll own nothing and you will like it"

[sand lark]

i dont know why i came here expecting a rational argument from the chronically online,

[sick yoke]

if i take a single picture of myself irl and upload it, i am NOT giving consent for people to fucking dox me LMAO

[sand lark]

you dont own free mods that you literally give to strangers on the internet for free omfg why does no one understand haha this is so sad

[sick yoke]

likewise, if i make a mod and upload it, i am NOT giving consent for people to use it in whatever modpack they're making

[atomic pebble]

"you'll own nothing and und vill be happy"

[near estuary]

makes an indefensible argument
inevitably loses
throws an ad hominem
yep, that fits

[opaque moss]

dawg it's not about consequences or having whole ass legal procedures just because someone put your mod in x modpack, it's about asking the person responsible for adding your mod to remove it and have the bare minimum of respect to remove that person's work

it really really isn't hard to understand

[near estuary]

so anyway guys

is it worth it to grab the low condition heart of oasis from the oasis?

[sick yoke]

saves like, a craft

so yeah probably

[atomic pebble]

I will stole this map from Demosfen that Demosfen stoled from the open source project Call of Pripyat 2

[near estuary]

aight thx

[pearl galleon]

What's funnier is when someone makes an extremely elaborate and high-effort mod, publicly uploads videos of it and then never releases it, not even behind a pay wall. What is the point of blue balling and playing with emotions like this?

[near estuary]

I'm convinced those mods don't actually function

[pearl galleon]

stealing from alfa modmaker transforms you into OMEGA modmaker

[opaque moss]

no it's just that most of the times said authors don't have time or whatever and they don't want to publish their work unfinished

[atomic pebble]

sameeee, many cancelled mods that have great resources:

SGM 3.0: In Spite of The Death
The New Unexplored Path
Terra Incognita
Last Breath
Shoker Weapon Mod 3.0
Last Battle
1984

[near estuary]

1984??

!1984

[dawn marten]

⠀

[frank oxide]

[atomic pebble]

Yeah, there a stalker mod called 1984

has new maps

[uncut agate]

Pre-meltdown?

[celest sparrow]

I know what you mean but this doesn't truly benefit mod authors with the amount of Downloads one gains thanks to GAMMA when it doesn't mean much regarding exposure
Like understandably there's still a conversion of "casual gamers" into "hardcore prospects" but only the widely known mods get to truly benefit out of it

[sand lark]

feels like i could say the sky is blue on this channel and get roasted alive for it lmao . we will have to agree to disagree. at least the name calling was less than usual this time. progress at least

[pearl galleon]

Maybe I will never understand it, I never put permissions on my mods, they are free for everyone, but a lot of my first mods I made were just poorly crafted experiments with other people's mods or games anyway.

[sick yoke]

pretty gray right now

it's very cloudy

[frank oxide]

the sky is dark fr

[celest sparrow]

Like you can have a mod gain 10000000 downloads but only 10 people will care about you and not because of GAMMA

[atomic pebble]

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: "1984" captures the "old-school" atmosphere established in the original game series. This modification covers a period of time set in the USSR in 1984.

The story is based on real events. What happened in those distant days defies any rational explanation; however, we will try to present everything exactly as it truly occurred. It is a mysterious and strange tale, and it is one truly worth telling—a story filled with significant events, locations, and circumstances.

[near estuary]

yeah it was cloudy all day at my place
and now it's night
so it's anything but blue

[opaque moss]

you're just on a different tangent
it was NEVER about whether or not you can do whatever with files on the internet lmao

[uncut agate]

Widely known get priority, sure, but many are widely known due to GAMMA as well. The synthesis of my argument is that rising tides raise all ships. More people, more money, more eyes.

[uncut agate]

But wouldn't this be 2 years before the cnpp meltdown lol

[celest sparrow]

Downloads still don't mean much when it's up to the consumer to willingly look up who made these mods
and from what I've seen is mainly from MO2 to ModDB so

[radiant sage]

this is essentially the same argument as with reaction content

[frank oxide]

you honestly get more recognition for stuff when your mod is made for gamma (or has gamma in its name) than from being included in the modlist as one of the 800 names

[frank oxide]

that's what i said before

its the same shit

[sand lark]

it is my OPINION that once you upload something like a stalker mod to the internet, people should be allowed to use it for non commercial purposes however they want. Grok at least mentions that the mod is the culmination of 500 different mods and that they are not all his own work, and mo2 mostly has links to the mods personal page for those who care to look. imo thats enough for me , you are free to disagree

[near estuary]

an opinion, correct

[uncut agate]

Sure, as people become hardcore, they get deeper into the sauce. A small percent will, but a small percent of a huge potential population is still good.

[frank oxide]

take product > reupload it > get recognition
OP gets shafted unless they really do something outstanding that the community themselves shares around

[atomic pebble]

Yes but this, as any fiction thingi has fiction elements, soooo, is not the zone, or atleast the which we knew first

The maps goes hard

[sand lark]

pretty sure most people come here for the mod itself and dont give a flying fuck about who made what mod , you dont gain anything other than a bigger e-penis

[radiant sage]

I'm just confused what it would have to do with stalker when it doesn't have literally any of the elements in it

[near estuary]

yeah
that's why your argument about exposure doesn't work

[opaque moss]

I hope you understand that I respect your wrong opinion
just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean that you should, it's a real simple principle of life and idc what else to even add to this at this point

[celest sparrow]

the opposites of exposure in the same chat is actually so funny

[blissful ivy]

what the fuck is even going on

[celest sparrow]

"exposure doesn't wortk!"
"exposure does work!"

[blissful ivy]

i look inside for 2 seconds

[sick yoke]

duality of man

[blissful ivy]

and people are yappin about exposure

[radiant sage]

the usual

[blissful ivy]

how did this happen

[sand lark]

the alternative is that they never have a chance to get noticed in the frst place. grok isnt taking anyones recognition, if he never put their mod in gamma then no one would even know about them.

[blissful ivy]

this is not the usual

this chat is dead usually

[near estuary]

life is strange: double exposure

or something

[radiant sage]

fair enough funny youtube man

[atomic pebble]

Chernobyl and some locations, and that's it.
Is similar to the "new games in X-Ray that still are stalker mods", like Left To Die, Awakening 2055 and others that set a narrative totally new in stalkermodding but after all, in X-Ray

[blissful ivy]

so what we are seeing here is a classic case of gamma people arguing over nothing?

[near estuary]

it's always like that until someone flips the shit and starts an argument

[blissful ivy]

so me?

gotcha

[near estuary]

I mean
basically yeah

[celest sparrow]

yeah thanks to Grok we know who is arti

[blissful ivy]

usually thats my job

to make a fight

[uncut agate]

Y'all are sleeping on the fun of arguing over nothing

[near estuary]

this discussion will have literally no impact

[blissful ivy]

no, i start them

[sand lark]

ah yes , i see youve made an argument on discord. unfortunately for you, i added a clueless emoji to your post , thus proving myself the victor

[uncut agate]

No you don't

[celest sparrow]

I mean that's really just Willis

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-a-wall-gif-9702424950693960694

[celest sparrow]

[opaque moss]

"you guys HAVE TO withstand being disrespected of your time and effort because without grok you would be NO ONE"

and he just said it like that without hesitation

crazy

[blissful ivy]

actually, yes, i do, i literally insult people, which prompts an argument, which leads to things like this

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/ja-gif-23934765

[blissful ivy]

[near estuary]

I was crazy once

[radiant sage]

you silly bugger

[sand lark]

societies elite are not in this channel

[blissful ivy]

what?

[near estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911867147788124210/1448823713964490762/NioxSMlF.gif

[blissful ivy]

no youre here, and youre being retarded

[celest sparrow]

It's a case of Willis having another dogshit take no one liked

[blissful ivy]

meaning, its over nothing

[lethal steeple]

stalker creepypasta

dark sky

[blissful ivy]

yeah, being retarded

[celest sparrow]

[opaque moss]

uhhh idk man maybe check out David Hume? idk what else could possibly work really

[near estuary]

light of chernobyl

[blissful ivy]

contradicting himself too

[lethal steeple]

uhhhh

silence of pripyat?

hang up of pripyat?

[blissful ivy]

[celest sparrow]

at least the "you guys are a hivemind" card hasn't been pulled

[blissful ivy]

this is worse than me

[atomic pebble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9_lqwvfSvU

[blissful ivy]

i say dumb shit

[radiant sage]

something something people used to live here now it's a ghost town

[uncut agate]

I'll distill the debate "is not following etiquette when asking for permission of inclusion in GAMMA worth the eyeballs it brings to the modding scene as whole". This of course assume that GAMMA would not be feasible if everything had to be done via "proper modding etiquette".

[blissful ivy]

but im ignorant and say dumb shit

[sand lark]

i can take em ez

[sick yoke]

who? don't care actually, i'm going to steal their work and make it my own content, they posted it on the internet therefore i have the right to do this obviously

[blissful ivy]

take what? an L

[sand lark]

oops responded to the wrong guy lol

[blissful ivy]

[blissful ivy]

[near estuary]

yet

[lethal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/shikanoko-nokonoko-koshitantan-shikonoko-shika-noko-dance-gif-9552389465683762324

[sand lark]

that wasfor the comment under yours

[celest sparrow]

yeah you can take deez nuts with ease

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961687761151221773/1371436905668939836/attachment78789798.gif

[opaque moss]

I'm actually an ai that just rants about shit without making any sense in case you weren't aware

[sick yoke]

damn

[radiant sage]

the echo chamber that is stalker-chat

[near estuary]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546727346355568652/1296950998295777300/giphy.gif

[lethal steeple]

echo chambering against the dude that said posting anything on the internet means giving consent

[sand lark]

yeah you can as long as you dont profit from it, fair use and all

[lethal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sacabambaspis-gif-11126735939965767681

[near estuary]

I would say something but it would be kinda fucked up and possibly get me muted

so uhh

[lethal steeple]

dude i love that fire overlay so much

[sick yoke]

[opaque moss]

can someone escort him to the donations channel and button on the launcher?

[sick yoke]

never mind i get it

[lethal steeple]

i know right one just has to make that one connection

but can't really

[atomic pebble]

Ghost city

[sick yoke]

this guy probably thinks that ai "art" isn't stealing

[lethal steeple]

by posting art on the internet you consent to have models be trained on you

[near estuary]

yup

[lethal steeple]

should've stayed on oil on canvas you fucking prick

[sick yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/vepley-girls-frontline-no-no-nuhuh-vepley-girls-frontlines-2-gif-14193653531631624078

[sand lark]

down with pencilslop , up with ai

[sick yoke]

you took a picture of it therefore you gave consent for ai

[sand lark]

ai is used to profit though so it dont count

[lethal steeple]

unprompted vepley post

[sand lark]

no ones making AI content for free, its all a financial endeavour.

[uncut agate]

It's also actually illegal but is being overlooked because it's an emerging technology that hasn't had proper case law yet

[sick yoke]

no you don't understand, it's "donations"

it's not "for profit"

therefore it's 100000% ok

[lethal steeple]

but what if the genbro says you can donate but doesn't lock their shit behind a paywall

is it fair game then

[sand lark]

usually how it goes. always a lawless hellhole at first, then eventually the 80 year olds in charge of society find out about it and make laws later

[uncut agate]

Typically, it's the next generation, then the generation after that repeals those laws

[blissful ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-you-fucking-did-fuck-you-asshole-gif-678221814522014649

when i smoke near the gas pump:

[sand lark]

how does adding a mod to gamma stop the original owner getting donations from people downloading the mod seperately from moddb without gamma? they are different player bases

[near estuary]

it's valentines day soon
gotta light some candles to make it romantic

[atomic pebble]

This makes me remember smth, i don't know what

[opaque moss]

ok guys we've gotten to the point of the Convo where he was actually just ragebaiting since the beginning

[near estuary]

alexa, play despacito

[sand lark]

wish the new update would hurry up so i can play it instead of sitting here arguing for an hour about nothing lmao

[sick yoke]

that was about ai and not gamma but ok 👍

[celest sparrow]

telling Grok to delay the update

https://tenor.com/view/horse-pixel-horse-fuck-you-fuck-u-horse-middle-finger-gif-15888143319771112924

[sick yoke]

the update's going to get delayed either way

[dusk vessel]

imagine wasting your time this way

[atomic pebble]

u have a lot of games and stalkermods as for don't arguing for this

[sick yoke]

france stops existing in 1 month

[sand lark]

guys you literally have to attack my arguments to beat me instead of attack me personally

[celest sparrow]

what's another 6 months of delay

[near estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/magnifying-glass-gem-gem-alert-spying-gif-8152235274896165137

[sand lark]

thats why i havent stopped arguing, i havent seen anyone beat me yet

[atomic pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1439887056041017495/1448664971356668096/attachment.gif

[frank oxide]

pillii please, that's basically bare ass, people get muted for it

[celest sparrow]

[frank oxide]

smh

[near estuary]

it's difficult to beat a retard in a discussion because they WILL drag you down to the retardation level where they'll obliterate you because they're a much better retard

so uhh

[opaque moss]

[sand lark]

this is the guy lecturing me on respect lmao

[near estuary]

props to you ig?

[celest sparrow]

you just got beat

sorry

[near estuary]

beat my meat

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888516333568925716/1094730113318408252/ezgif-2-5c8025bf76-1-1.gif

[celest sparrow]

[sick yoke]

baited into losing 😔

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[dusk vessel]

its impossible to try and convince you of anything regardless

[sand lark]

if you cant logic your way out of an argument with a retard, then i got news for you buddy

[dusk vessel]

no matter how retarded the opinion

stopped trying years ago

[celest sparrow]

I already know it from him

He does this shit on purpose

[dusk vessel]

ive met people like him

this is what they do in their free time for entertainment

[blissful ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808725050684342272/1435731659311026318/media-iv-text.gif

[near estuary]

"people"

[dusk vessel]

i dont engage lmao

[sick yoke]

you can't logic your way out of an argument with a flat earther

doesn't really say anything about yourself

[dusk vessel]

usually sad and miserable people doing this type of stuff

[sick yoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near estuary]

and you got baited yourself

[sick yoke]

nah

[celest sparrow]

Well he has nothing better to do He already said so

[sick yoke]

just pointing out a fact

[lethal steeple]

flat earth has a ton of potential for sci fi shit dude i swear to god it's just so cool to think what might be past the great ice walls

[atomic pebble]

U just are a looser brat, keep crying, this guy just spits facts, THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!!!

[opaque moss]

it's a messi gif with cheeks photoshopped I can assure you it ain't allat

[blissful ivy]

i have nothing better to do than drink a bottle of whiskey and drive my car, but you dont see me doing that

[dusk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/true-cat-flow-gif-10399068397433480636

[sand lark]

well at the end of the day all i did was state my opinion , and i was clear that it wasnt a fact i was asserting. i just think if you upload a mod for free to a website that hosts free mods for public distribution ,then you cease to have control over how it gets used ( within reason and within the TOS of the hosting website ) that is all

[dusk vessel]

literally just this gif,

[atomic pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992122099843989625/1381967235207135322/Alarming-Cat.gif

[lethal steeple]

oflin finna lock the chat or what

[sick yoke]

it'd be funny

[celest sparrow]

I wish there was a brown role for this chat

[radiant sage]

a discussion doesn't have to end with one side having achieved victory by any means

[sick yoke]

so oflin you should do it

[near estuary]

like 30 minutes late

[dusk vessel]

it wasnt a discussion even its a ragebaiter baiting people

[celest sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255541150144532571/1383889605673091144/pptptptpptt.gif

[dusk vessel]

and it worked even if they want to deny it

[atomic pebble]

Flat Earth in ZI DLC

[near estuary]

stage 1 denial
stage 2 Danielle

[sand lark]

gentleman, this is democracy manifest

[atomic pebble]

Stage 3 danila

[lethal steeple]

aunque me duela
dejare a manuela

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-shock-shocked-flabbergasted-surprised-gif-6472373116831647779

[blissful ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336380532363362304/1344787141523275837/XWyKuU6E.gif

[near estuary]

[blissful ivy]

if i get slapped for that gif

[atomic pebble]

In Return To The Zone there a character with certain name and u could have a kot as companion

[blissful ivy]

i swear

[dusk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/tsuchiya-pushing-guy-gif-4929873

[opaque moss]

btw oflin sorry for the thing from before I let the ragebait get to me😭

[atomic pebble]

If oflin was angry u already would have the consequences before this comment

[sand lark]

i make a lot of people rage around here

must be because of my giant brain

no other reason i can think of

[dusk vessel]

go bait somewhere else

newbies chat

offtopic brainfart wherever

[blissful ivy]

pea brain

[sand lark]

would you believe me if i said i wasnt baiting lmao

[dusk vessel]

just not here

[dusk vessel]

no

[sand lark]

not every opinion you disagree with is bait

[atomic pebble]

yes

[blissful ivy]

disagrew

[near estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/edging-edging-group-edging-chat-edge-edging-club-gif-961634567020148868

[frank oxide]

All i took away from this entire discussion is that:

• Grok still gets applauded and congratulated for hoarding mods that he does not own because the masses don't care and think that he's the mastermind behind stalker
• the little man (modders) don't get any recognition based on it unless someone is specifically interested in looking into said modder work, gets told about it by someone else or learns about it from other sources which is still a low % of users compared to the millions of users that download and play gamma or get introduced to something by video/site/reupload/whatever
• its rare for people to look for donation links to modders because most care about the product rather than the creator but a majority claim they donated to Grok directly because that's the first and only donation link they see on this discord or the launcher. Yes, compiling a mass list of donation links from all modders would be doable but its difficult and there would be too many unrecognizable names for your average joe to comprehend

[sand lark]

at the end of the day oflin is here and if he wants me to shut up the fuck up ill listen to him. but so far he hasnt warned me yet , care to weight in on tonights bullcrap?

good timing lmao

[frank oxide]

then there's that retarded take about "you upload something on the web and you lose rights to copyright/protect it because you uploaded it to the web"

[radiant sage]

that's pretty succint yeah

[lethal steeple]

man i couldn't find the what if it isn't bait mega deepfried warhammer meme

[dusk vessel]

copyright law exists

and its enforced online too, of course

wish it was also enforced regarding ai training models but its not

theyre just stealing it

[frank oxide]

i heard that there were cases on moddb where the copyright takedown shit didn't work because the author didn't state that the product can't be redistributed without permission

[radiant sage]

which in this specific case with modifying existing intellectual property is a difficult discussion

[dusk vessel]

that.. makes no sense

unless the moddb tos says you give up copyright unless stated

[sand lark]

is it against moddb rules to distribute the mods that are uploaded to the site? im not familiar with them and if that is the case then i can see a point against him, but at the actual end of the day, there are like 15 people on the planet who download stalker mods for their own private use without using modpacks like anomaly/gamma etc. there is no "recognition" at stake , there is no financial loss, there is no real loss of any kind so all of this discussion is pointless

[dusk vessel]

on IWP page it says specifically they dont want IWP guns to be ported to anomaly

not like thats stopped anyone

[radiant sage]

"15 people"

[frank oxide]

they still file copyrights and take down stuff

[dusk vessel]

good

[sand lark]

probably not even 15

[frank oxide]

frosty got a ton of iwp ports taken down

[pearl galleon]

Not sure how this all devolved into an argument about the existence of ettiquette, exposure, donations and whatever else. I just think it's a fucking annoyance when I basically have to do double work just to make and release a different or improved version of something that already exists and could've been made much faster but is not acceptable because someone gets their rocks off from denying permission. I will never understand this feeling for respect or whatever it is so my next best move is to observe behavior and stay away from such adamant modmakers who hate work that is built off theirs.

[lethal steeple]

frosty being the good guy wasn't on my bingo card or did i read that wrong

[dusk vessel]

like it or not its their right to do so

[atomic pebble]

I understand ivan, in many cases this practice would get "hardcores" or shrimply casuals not sooo casuals, it's up to opinions if all of these downloads is worth for a small group of people that would be ur fans or shrimply let a:
"Well done", "Good mod", "U are great" or not

[radiant sage]

I think you read it wrong

[frank oxide]

well his shit got taken down by iwp team on moddb, then he reuploaded them on github

[lethal steeple]

ah i did read it wrong then

[near estuary]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888516333568925716/1094730113318408252/ezgif-2-5c8025bf76-1-1.gif

[atomic pebble]

Yeah, that stopped people that want post the addons in moddb

[sand lark]

if they have a legal right to have their work not redistributed then you have a point, but is that the case? not asking to be smart, i literally do not know what the laws in my country says about it

[dusk vessel]

its international

you cant be personally prosecuted if you live in certain countries sure

but it applies on most websites

[sand lark]

rules are not laws

[radiant sage]

[atomic pebble]

i mean

[sand lark]

website rules are not laws i could say

but didnt for some reason

[lethal steeple]

so you're saying you could just drop the n word here

[near estuary]

you could

once

[sand lark]

legally no , its a hate crime in my country

illegal

[radiant sage]

my brother in christ, you ever heard of a thing called terms of service

[near estuary]

it's just like with poisonous mushrooms

you can eat it once

[dusk vessel]

if youre built different more than once

[sand lark]

bro i am in the uk, we get arrested for posting "offensive memes"

[dusk vessel]

youre british? that makes so much sense

[sand lark]

a guy got arrested here because his dog gave a nazi salute

of course im british, i am winning the argument 😄

[atomic pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969924176842473482/1408176216447520991/Screenshot_20250623_011745.gif

[radiant sage]

ah yes, let's throw in xenophobia into the mix

[sand lark]

lmao

where you from

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

[dusk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brain-damage-funny-gif-9567713795855473020

[sand lark]

so many countries have no banter

[dusk vessel]

dont worry its okay, it must be hard being british

wish you a speedy recovery

[sand lark]

your encyclopaedic knowledge of discord memery is not the credit you think it is

[atomic pebble]

I like this map, is sad

[near estuary]

what's it called

[frank oxide]

kinda looks like the map of poland

l2137_poland in stalker?????????

[atomic pebble]

sad

[near estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[lethal steeple]

that middle part with the low resolution hill makes me nauseous

[frank oxide]

the outline i mean

[lethal steeple]

it looks so much like out of bounds territory

[near estuary]

nah
the terrain fits too

[atomic pebble]

this is poland

[frank oxide]

[lethal steeple]

imagine not being able to traverse that and having to go all the way across

[sand lark]

bro is that fucking navezgane from 7 days to die

[pearl galleon]

What would really make sense is if we could keep going past the CNPP and into Belarus

[dusk vessel]

and what do we do there?

starve?

[pearl galleon]

Yeah

[lethal steeple]

make it so the credits roll if you go to the checkpoint at the north of the generators

[dusk vessel]

sounds dope for a black road run

[lethal steeple]

and then the game closes

[atomic pebble]

idk

[near estuary]

peenar

[celest sparrow]

gamma chuds will look at this and say that it sucks

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-steam-happy-steamhappy-steam-funny-gif-3051835105049511162

[near estuary]

gamma chuds are just sad people who haven't played ZI yet

[celest sparrow]

facts

[atomic pebble]

true

[pearl galleon]

ZI vs Misery vs GAMMA vs vanilla purist, who wins in a death battle

[lethal steeple]

i hope zero investment being as big as it is serves as an example to gun retard edgelords that insist stalker is meant to be taken dead serious

[atomic pebble]

ZI

[near estuary]

gonna come down to MISERY vs ZI

[lethal steeple]

and we start to see more light hearted and explorative mods

[near estuary]

dunno

[dusk vessel]

id play ZI if it wasnt femboy gooner stuff

[near estuary]

tradition vs. modernism

[lethal steeple]

the what

[frank oxide]

you say that like its a bad thing

[near estuary]

femboy milk

[near estuary]

[frank oxide]

ah wait

[atomic pebble]

Of which side of poland u are

[frank oxide]

server rules

[near estuary]

didn't know you were chill like that

[atomic pebble]

serious question

[lethal steeple]

zi presents itself in a deliberately ugly way in the same vein cruelty squad deliberately presents itself as an assault on your senses

[frank oxide]

[dusk vessel]

i dont need stalker to be serious but zi is the polar opposite

[lethal steeple]

it's the point while also not being the point

[frank oxide]

who says i even live there

[lethal steeple]

the title of the game literally says "post ironic"

[pearl galleon]

I like the heavier slower (more "grounded" interpretation) of STALKER, it feels more like Tarkovsky or Dead Man's Letters. gritty dark beytah yes. This does not mean silly mods are bad, they are fun but I will not get lost in them or their story. I enjoy the horror.

[frank oxide]

or am i missing something?

[atomic pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-mei-mei-uncle-bao-cat-meme-gif-8149549883384091715

[atomic pebble]

Boss said that ZI is bad by don't being serious

[lethal steeple]

like the opening chapter of zi has you fighting against coomer furries and their sonas

yet it's not furry bait

[pearl galleon]

ZI is what Scar sees after the 3rd emission

[celest sparrow]

you delve into an online community and end up being surprised that it acts like an online community

[lethal steeple]

like dead ass real talk people should take note of some of the things zi does for gameplay

i know it's a joke fangame

but dead ass look at it critically

[near estuary]

love the meta system

[lethal steeple]

realize how unfathomably polished and greatly designed it actually is

[dusk vessel]

thats why i said specifically that id play if it was themed differently ngl

i like how carefree the combat seems

can make different builds and shit

[pearl galleon]

I haven't delved into ZI because I don't find it interesting as a matter of personal taste, but I am always interested to learn about well-designed games. What sorts of good design are we talking? Good ideas and principles can always be used universally.

[atomic pebble]

(a mod make with ACDC and
reverse engineering)

[lethal steeple]

it doesn't have any of the bad shit misery made the norm and it plays better than the original games for one

[opaque moss]

I mean I haven't played it but it does really look like a good and curated shitpost

[lethal steeple]

it tries successfully a lot of mega out of the box shit like character abilities

[dusk vessel]

high quality and effort shitpost

basically is what ive seen

[pearl galleon]

I'm guessing it streamlines and smoothens things that are considered annoying or inconsistent in favor of pure gameplay?

[dusk vessel]

you formed it a lot more polite than me but i fully agree with you

[lethal steeple]

yeah like, again, cruelty squad

which is an actually greatly designed game

behind a purposefully ugly aesthetic

[viral marsh]

whats the name of that run timer i keep seeing

mod

[pearl galleon]

cruelty squad is good but it definitely challenges your neurons.

[dusk vessel]

run timer

there is an upgraded one that goes above 24h also

[viral marsh]

on moddb ?

[viral marsh]

ty

[celest sparrow]

It honestly adds so much to the experience within the context of the mod

"Oh it's ugly and looks like a huge shitpost!"
Because it takes place in an online game where you're bound to find several communities

[sick yoke]

the setting is basically just steam isn't it lol

[celest sparrow]

the left 4 dead steam workshop

[pearl galleon]

reminds me of old gmod machinimas whose stories "took place in gmod" and characters would have to travel to "servers" and of course stumble upon a range of environments. It's a very interesting storyline setting to "take place" in an online setting and transmute that into a physical world that characters must move through

[celest sparrow]

I mean that's really the charm of it

[atomic pebble]

There more shitpost mods in development, like the ones of Andrey Saint (adventures series), and are going to appear several mods with anime thingis because ZI was released and the modders see that the people enjoy that type of thingis

[opaque moss]

I mean tbf I don't think that calling it a shitpost implies it's bad in any way

[celest sparrow]

It's often used as a negative attribute than a descriptor

[opaque moss]

at least I certainly didn't, I actually think that these sort of "curated shitposts" are great for the game's community

[dusk vessel]

stalker was never something that took itself dead serious anyway

so people trying to make it that is just dumb

[opaque moss]

well I mean the mod isn't meant to be taken fully seriously right, like actual question idk how it plays other than the fact that it looks pink

[celest sparrow]

that's quite literally most of the community though

[pearl galleon]

at this rate you should say stalker modding itself is dumb.

If I want perfectly intact ex-soviet retro sci fi shoot-em-up with half lifey gameplay i will play trilogy

[atomic pebble]

grey world + tacticool weapons + serious realistic hd models

[opaque moss]

the stalker modding experience fully depends on which author you get your mods from

that's all

[celest sparrow]

it's post irony
you just have to accept its absurdity

[pearl galleon]

if i want my balls chopped off with a rusty axe, cauterized with an acid anomaly and given 35 respiratory conditions and have my legs broken i play Misery or GAMMA with extra difficulty mods

[celest sparrow]

in a way it is

sorry dude

[atomic pebble]

U should play Prosectors Project and NLC 7

Also DSH

[pearl galleon]

if i want to shitpost and be too fast for z-block and 360 noscope a furry i go play zi

[pearl galleon]

i have heard great things about prosectors but does it have a serviceable english translation?

[pearl galleon]

can you elaborate ( i am retarded )

[atomic pebble]

Yeah

And DSH it's made by this guy

[celest sparrow]

Que dice ahí, no se inglés

[celest sparrow]

The amount of mods that appeal to a single esthetic established by a predecessor while mods that stray away from it are often overlooked or shame upon

While I'm not one to say you should be playing Stalker in one way or another as everyone has preferences, it's rather tiresome to see most of the newly released content appeal to the same audience

[pearl galleon]

So you mean to say, mods that deviate from the regular stalker aesthetic and gameplay are looked down upon? But how can it be possible if zi, anomaly, misery etc got popular? or are we taking into account opinions of purists, whom i ignore

[atomic pebble]

Why not both

[lethal steeple]

dark souls h

dark side hill

[dusk vessel]

my 14 yearold brother decided on his own to try out shadow of chernobyl because it was in my steam family sharing

im letting him play it fully without mods because i think its better this way

if he wants to play again with mods thats up to him

[pearl galleon]

purists are like duty, good for one thing (lore) but try to make them do anything else useful!

[lethal steeple]

my baby sister once asked about shadow of chernobyl and i told her the game was bad but culturally important

[celest sparrow]

There was drama regarding ZI being elected as mod of the year with how much it strays away from Stalker
Which yeah they are mainly purists

[dusk vessel]

funniest part

soc didnt crash once on him somehow

[pearl galleon]

baahahaha. fucking classic. muh immershion. look guys im one of the immershiun elites, i need it like crack, but even i can see the merit of a highly unusual mod

[dusk vessel]

and he enjoyed it so far

but he completely missed the true ending

[atomic pebble]

"Any copy of stalker is personalized"

[pearl galleon]

blessed by the zone

[pearl galleon]

didn't we all?

[dusk vessel]

im gonna have him play cs and cop before any modpacks

since he does enjoy them

just unpromted installed it for himself from my steam family sharing, i was proud

[pearl galleon]

come on, don't tell me you didn't listen to wish granter's sweet, sweet voice on 1st playthrough

[dusk vessel]

i did

i ruled the world

showed him where to go for the true ending, hes in prypiat again

[atomic pebble]

i don't believe that are mainly purists, in that thingi there several haters that are players of mods like Stranger among Strangers and Anomaly

Just another type of the thingi that is far from "pure stalker" but that in that case, dislike ur thingi because isn't their thingi

[celest sparrow]

add in GAMMA players disliking it

[pearl galleon]

so purists and single minded "dark and gritty" people

[dusk vessel]

purism has multiple sides imo

[atomic pebble]

Also, in that "AP-PRO drama" these SaS fans forgot about that that series is that It's boomer (author of Strangers among Strangers) fills his mods of any type of refference, mostly fool refferences that just boomer and their groups of friends will understand

[pearl galleon]

how hard is it to enjoy griddy beytah without shitting on other styles

[dusk vessel]

in a racing game a purist car is where you modify it but to keep the engine and layout the same

you could apply the same to stalker games

but there is idiot purists also who will attack people who dont agree with them

[atomic pebble]

Many people saying that the stalkermodding was dying just by a single mod, included It's boomer (that should have been checked his own mods before of say that ZI is a great example of the decadence of stalkermodding)

[celest sparrow]

ZI is peam

#1 ZI Fan in the GAMMA server

[atomic pebble]

I think that It's boomer just has some type of envy, if u go and ask to any "veteran modder" none will told u that his mods are good, possibly they would told u that his mods are part of the problem

[celest sparrow]

[lethal steeple]

what does this even say anyways

surely there will be someone somewhere that sees the profile picture and would go on a moral tirade

[atomic pebble]

"I really haven't played it. I've only seen it. I only have time for one mod."

[dusk vessel]

its not my theme but i can appreciate a well made mod

[lethal steeple]

oh so yandex ocr got it right

this might make me start to rebuild trust with the machine

[atomic pebble]

Yandex for translate from the russian is better than Google Translator but if u want good translations from the russian to x language u should check x AI, in this aspect, the AI is good

[dusk vessel]

if its something i care about i just annoy one of my friends

and get authentic translation

[lethal steeple]

i do that too

when i add text to my mods i ask someone that can speak the language to translate the option texts

or ask them to proof read yandex translations

[atomic pebble]

I don't have slav friends😔

[lethal steeple]

so far the only word i understand in russian is pomogi

and bratan

[dusk vessel]

privjit

debil

i have 2 ukrainian and 3 russian friends from other spaces

and played a lot of cs in eu server

[atomic pebble]

i understand several thingis in russian, the thingi that scares me is that idk what has the russian but there smth that changes the words and "merge" em or smth, idk how explain it

[lethal steeple]

that happens in every language

less so in internet english because it's normalized but talk to english speakers in person and you see the same thing

[atomic pebble]

i guess that im a skill issue

[lethal steeple]

like if i wrote in spanish i'd try to make it sound neutral but if you spoke to me in person i'd be full on chilensis mode

[atomic pebble]

"gonna"

[lethal steeple]

while still spanish, nothing like spanish

[dusk vessel]

same with german

texting and speaking german is way different

[lethal steeple]

see it's universal

all languages get that

[haughty saffron]

is there a rough estimation for when this update will come out?

[dusk vessel]

when its done

[haughty saffron]

lol

[celest sparrow]

whenever Grok feels like it's done

[dusk vessel]

since youve tested it and i havent kept up with it

will brc have a purpose past cordon now?

[lethal steeple]

if mobs still use ap rounds then brc will continue to be a non mechanic

it's less obtuse

somewhat

[celest sparrow]

Master Duty so use of AP

[lethal steeple]

because then he started adding shit to the formula from different belt items and such

it's a microwalk in the right direction

[sick yoke]

Mw2019 hit markers real lol

[dusk vessel]

thats kinda funny

might try the hitmarker + hp bar and sound effects sometime

[dusk vessel]

thats what i said some time ago also yeah

[celest sparrow]

the increased BRC makes up for it at least

it would be a lot less work if they were using FMJ but I guess it also works

[haughty saffron]

its weird enough that non penetrating rounds can kill you in the first place

[celest sparrow]

but I can see the increase of Exosuits / Skat 9 with thr upcoming update

[sick yoke]

No you can’t

[dusk vessel]

i liked using exosuits some time ago

[sick yoke]

Be real

[dusk vessel]

when i didnt understand belt slot meta

[celest sparrow]

I'm getting 80% DR from a Giant Pelt and Plates

[sick yoke]

Everyone’s going to grind out the unisg nosorog regardless

[dusk vessel]

x18 proto exo my beloved

[celest sparrow]

It's gonna be dogshit so there's gonna be a lot of people disappointed

Grok once again nerfing BR% Artifacts

[sick yoke]

They’ll complain until grok gets pressured into giving it 6 slots back

[celest sparrow]

[dusk vessel]

if you catch me grinding for unisg nosorg know that ive been murdered and replaced

[sick yoke]

No I’m not a human type shit

[haughty saffron]

so instead of br class i should aim to get the most bullet resistance?

if a bullet does not penetrate does bullet resistance even affect it

[lethal steeple]

yeah

your base balls (read: only your suit's/helmet's balls, before belt and boosters) is modified in relation to your br (read: armor+plate brc or helmet if you took a headshot) UP TO THE SAME CAP as regular ballistics resistance

[dusk vessel]

thats how its been for as long as ive played

br class stops to matter past cordon because most enemies are using ap rounds

[lethal steeple]

this, along with mobs using ap rounds, are the reason why you're always told that brc stops being relevant after the first hour of the playthrough

[dusk vessel]

monos for example are garantued to use ap rounds always

same with some other factions

and generally above a certain rank all enemies will use ap

for mercs this is 2 ranks lower

[tidal halo]

Blunt force trauma

[dusk vessel]

broken ribs, internal bleeding

[haughty saffron]

i mean sure but that depends a lot on the bullet

[dusk vessel]

yeah

[lethal steeple]

okay realismotard

it's a game

[dusk vessel]

but its also not a sim game

[lethal steeple]

with poor design on damage

it doesn't apply

[dusk vessel]

its supposed to be a fun gameplay mechanic and as it stands its not

[tidal halo]

TWO OF THEM??

[dusk vessel]

you essentially ignore br class

[haughty saffron]

i myself wouldnt know how to balance it, if you make it so most enemies use ap then br class is useless but if you dont then its op

[celest sparrow]

it's gonna change to Experienced / Professional

[dusk vessel]

rebalance who uses ap

[celest sparrow]

which is funny

[haughty saffron]

as it stands though i do also believe that rounds that dont penetrate also still deal too much damage

[celest sparrow]

as it is unintentional for it be that way, only because Grok decided to have it inherent the Veteran loadouts

[tidal halo]

Gamma simulates limb damage, but for some reason enemies rarely shoot the torso

[celest sparrow]

they shoot center of mass

[dusk vessel]

but are very inaccurate

[tidal halo]

So sometimes you die in two hits from a bandit gun and sometimes, that same bandit will do nothing to you

[dusk vessel]

so they often end up hitting limbs or head

stalker enemies literally got stormtrooper aim ngl

[tidal halo]

They try to, but more often than not your limbs will be shot because of their stupid accuracy system

I'd rather they get better aim while standing, worse aim when shot, bad aim when moving...

[dusk vessel]

always been a thing in stalker games so idm

[celest sparrow]

I mean it's simply game design

[haughty saffron]

you cant make them super accurate either

[haughty saffron]

also the only limb damage that actually matters is head and torso, i dont really bother about other limbs other than legs

[dusk vessel]

i pretty much just push through broken legs

unless im planning to travel distance

[tidal halo]

Legs will affect you significantly

Arms, eh

[dusk vessel]

broken arms, i just start hip firing

[haughty saffron]

if im in combat yess

after, no

[dusk vessel]

torso and head matter because if they run out you insta die

[haughty saffron]

yes and i despise just how much they are damaged by non penetrating bullets, it makes br class even more useless

[tidal halo]

Too bad the head is a weakspot 95% of the time

Unless you have the one heavy helmet in the game that can protect you somewhat consistently or exosuits

[dusk vessel]

bullets come out of your head also

so if you use cover properly the only spot they can even hit is your head

[celest sparrow]

Never have this experience

At least there's Health Gate for Head HP

[lethal steeple]

torso hits have a chance to be redirected to limbs

headshots have a chance to be redirected to the torso

[tidal halo]

I feel like we might as well make all shots just go through an RnG table that determines where it'll go

[lethal steeple]

it used to be that way

a couple of years ago bhs was fully random

then it was fixed

and a couple of days later it was made random again but this time by design

[hushed pier]

Can i modify known recipes at spawn

or do i have manually set item to 0 in ltx folder

[tidal halo]

They found out the game was fun 😔

[gusty grail]

the whacky progress should be fixed in release 1.8.3

[gray ember]

what is the name of the mod that gives character some skills like stamina and carry weight?

[pearl galleon]

theres RPG levelling which comes with GAMMA already or you can look for Classes and Talents on moddb

[round onyx]

fuck

[broken wharf]

Oi, hello lads, any news about estimated date of the next big update release? 😄

[celest sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-aha-meal-eat-gif-24016673

[random grail]

It releases tommorow

[blissful ivy]

surely

[random grail]

P!8ball should he trust me

[weak cobalt]

:8ball: Yes!

[random grail]

See

[thick sedge]

P!8ball should I trust him

[weak cobalt]

:8ball: The future is bleak.

[thick sedge]

what do you have to say now mr/ms bloodys

[random grail]

Pancake trolls lower ranks

[round onyx]

Headshot a bandit
Game crashes
lmao

[random grail]

And mr

[lethal steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/update-game-game-update-gif-13330659533985679719

[thick sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286286510416597022/1461651601105092608/SatonoLick-4x.gif

[steep elm]

wtf, has this thing always been able to use a suppressor?

[valid loom]

As far as I remember, no. At least til now I supoose.

[celest sparrow]

recent thing

which is funny

[steep elm]

Interesting

[round onyx]

Absolute fucking son of a BITCH, no wonder I couldn't find the fucking quest marker if the guy is playing hide and go fuck yourself next to hawaiian

TWO OF THEM

[steep elm]

[sick yoke]

that's a fucking rifle suppressor on a shotgun

[steep elm]

Nahhhh if it fits, it sits

holy fuck I love getting bumrushed by 6 snorks

[tidal halo]

Try two Chimeras in army warehouses

[steep elm]

Q+E strafing on point

[wintry nova]

Time to geek on em

[graceful quiver]

Pretty nice for a place called Garbage

[steep elm]

tru

[graceful quiver]

Which shader mod is this again?

[hasty spindle]

I am FUCKED, guess who forgot to bring explosives to the Pseudogiant

Guess who thought it'd be a great idea to run a sniper/pistol merc run

[uncut agate]

hypothetically, if i wasted a freedomer in AW as loners, then went to the freedom base and got shot at, will I be ok if i leave the area and then come back? I'm at -20 relations from a few... Accidents.

-1000 is shoot on sight?

[steep elm]

Shader mod?

Are you talking about reshade? I'm not using reshade if so

I just have all the drop down menus in SSS ramped up to the max

except uh water surface coverage resolution I think. That's still at 128

[graceful quiver]

Oh it's not a shader mod?

[steep elm]

nah

[lethal steeple]

sss is a shader mod

but you have it by default in gamma

[graceful quiver]

Ye

[steep elm]

tru

[graceful quiver]

Should crank it up then lol

[steep elm]

I just have mine on steroids right now

[graceful quiver]

It does look good

[lethal steeple]

most of the options in sss are super lightweight

i mean the game is cpu bound anyways

[graceful quiver]

As always~

[lethal steeple]

the only really heavy things in sss are indirect lighting and volumetric lighting

[steep elm]

also for some reason disabling Bump Detail, Steep Parallax, Tessellation, Soft Particles, and Volumetric Smoke in the advanced settings stabilized my frames??? Like 20+ fps more

[lethal steeple]

volumetrics vaporize your fps

[steep elm]

makes sense

[lethal steeple]

ye but there's the force volumetrics option

which makes the game look gorgeous imho

but gahdaym

[steep elm]

ayup

which I have active

[lethal steeple]

any lamp heavy area is unplayable

[steep elm]

as well as the volumetric lighting on very high or whatever its max setting is

[lethal steeple]

firefights look fantastic

especially during night or foggy weather

[steep elm]

[lethal steeple]

this is very likely because of overlap with sss

[steep elm]

Guess so

[lethal steeple]

you might also want to check volumetric light, grass shadows (iirc), and ambient occlusion

in that settings menu

[steep elm]

Was trying to see what the hell was tanking my frames (aside from SSS settings lol)

because like

[lethal steeple]

since all of them (minus grass shadows maybe) are already handled by sss

[steep elm]

lowering SSS settings back to default didn't seem to make a difference compared to having them all cranked up.

So I disabled the listed settings I typed out in Advanced settings and voila

[steep elm]

You mean disable 'em in the advanced settings?

I'll have to double check when I re-launch. Bouta head to bed

[lethal steeple]

ye

[steep elm]

aight

I think for the lighting I have Both selected instead of just volumetric or the other option.

[graceful quiver]

Guess I should check/disable those and play around with SSS then

Hmm, I don't think ambient occlusion is in display > advanced

[lethal steeple]

it is

it's in the lighting section

near the bottom

[steep elm]

fugg it ill relaunch real quick to check

[lethal steeple]

vid_restart on console

[graceful quiver]

Oh wait, forgot about SSAO

[steep elm]

So I can disable the sun rays mode because SSS handles it you were saying?

[lethal steeple]

about godrays i'm not really sure to be honest you might want to play around with that one

surely sss handles godrays

surely

[radiant star]

yes sss handles godrays, for once something makes sense

[lethal steeple]

i mean that one doesn't even need a vid_restart anyways

[radiant star]

lets relax now

[steep elm]

and the AO is off by default in gamma.