╓☢stalker-chat

[hasty sun]

[lethal steeple]

otherwise the t4 plate always loses against a cell

and the cell is a perkifact, which are supposed to be gimmicky and never good enough

[dusk vessel]

Even an empty provides more bal res

[sick yoke]

it would be bad if people became invincible or something (just hard cap at 90% anyway)

[lethal steeple]

as opposed to an item you have to invest a shit ton of materials towards

[formal mountain]

i should be able to hit 75% with compass and the plate

[lethal steeple]

not only all of that shit but as the text says it doesn't provide any bonuses to your head

which is just crazy

[formal mountain]

oh wait

welp.

i forgot about no head hehe

[dusk vessel]

Ai doesent aim for your head at least

[celest sparrow]

I don't really understand this distaste towards being hard to kill when the End Game will always be focused towards to the player being able to overcome any obstacle with ease

[dusk vessel]

They still hit it though

[formal mountain]

welp doing it anyway, if i'm getting shot in the head my bad

[random grail]

The only good thing about t4 plate is that kuznetsov gives it for bs docs

[celest sparrow]

"Game boring cause I can't die!"
Yeah no shit, you're at the end of the game

[sick yoke]

i mean i personally wouldn't want to become literally invincible to bullets because BR class has no cap and thus brings me to over 100% br%

kind of ruins the point of playing if that happens

[lethal steeple]

multiplicative scaling will never get you to full invincibility so long as all the factors are capped

you know

balls * impact

[sick yoke]

especially if it's possible to get earlier than literal endgame

[dusk vessel]

It used to be way easier to get a compass

[sick yoke]

which it probably is now that i think about it

[dusk vessel]

Cheaper recepie and it was sold at jupiter

[sick yoke]

off the top of my head i think exosuit and something like, plate, empty, wrenched, morphine gets you over 100 or pretty close

[celest sparrow]

it really will only be possible with the NOSOROG due to how the Northern Factions use AP, but it defeats the point of having the best Armor in the game when you still need the Artifacts to increase your BR Res cap

[lethal steeple]

there's really no way to justify mobs using ap ammo when the issue is conveying information properly

how are you supposed to know that mobs will use ap and completely bypass an entire defense mechanic

[sick yoke]

i mean in the hypothetical scenario of BR class giving uncapped bonus br% reductions

[celest sparrow]

You don't

[formal mountain]

mobs use ap?

[sick yoke]

i'm pretty sure that setup would make you invincible

[formal mountain]

wdym

[dusk vessel]

Any high rank stalker will use ap

Some factions always use it

[sick yoke]

and that's like, obtainable pre-bs

[lethal steeple]

yeah it's 75% of why people always say br class is redundant

[formal mountain]

oh yeah i know that, i was wondering what mobs meant

[hasty sun]

I crashed and now my NV goggles are gone 🤨

[formal mountain]

i thought something like mutants using AP somehow

[dusk vessel]

Enemy npcs are mobs too

[lethal steeple]

fuck would mobs mean

[celest sparrow]

you are never told that Monolith / Sin / UNISG always use AP regardless of Rank, there is no way to know

[lethal steeple]

bro expecting a minecraft creeper to show up

barrier defense against the illagers

[formal mountain]

i don't call them mobs wtf

😭

[dusk vessel]

Player vs dev perspective is always funny

[lethal steeple]

and i mean we did talk about it with grok

or at least i did

a lot of times

back when i was still in testers

[celest sparrow]

Like you could hint towards it via dialog, but it doesn't really fix the issue of BR Class becoming irrelevant when reaching the North

[formal mountain]

you'd assume so tho, except sin

[lethal steeple]

why tho

[formal mountain]

cuz they are late game factions

[dusk vessel]

There is like one medium suit that has 48 br class and getting that early on is a huge help down south

[lethal steeple]

why would one assume as such when before going to the radar a dude with an m4 would never make me bleed and would take a lot of hits to put me down

[formal mountain]

idk don't mind me too much

[dusk vessel]

Even then you still take a decent bit of damage on non pen shots

[lethal steeple]

but suddenly after encountering monolith the same m4 just makes me explode in gibs

[quasi python]

i let 3 missions expire and im now negative rep with my own faction

[celest sparrow]

I bet the average GAMMA player doesn't know why they Bleed

[lethal steeple]

let alone know that bleed is randomized

[formal mountain]

^

i have absolutely no idea

maybe cuz armor gets penetrated

nvm then

[sick yoke]

you guessed right lol

[celest sparrow]

oh guys but gamma is so peak and is good game design and shi better than sdalger 2, should have followed their steps

[formal mountain]

i think i read it somewhere tho tbf

[dusk vessel]

It was said earlier

[steep elm]

Gonna be real chief - I 100% prefer Gamma's gameplay to Sdalger 2's.

[iron notch]

I mean to me the only possible explanation was that they were using AP, then confirmed by looking at the AP ammo stats, and I assumed they don't only drop AP for balance reasons

[steep elm]

I put over 300 hours into Sdalger 2.

[formal mountain]

S.d.a.l.g.e.r. 2

[celest sparrow]

the ammo they drop is not correlated to the ammo they use

[timber flicker]

is there a way to make the radiation bar dissapear? i wanna actualy use the geiger counter

[dusk vessel]

He didnt say that

[iron notch]

But I'm in the minor "can actually read and think" category so what do I know

[dusk vessel]

They dont only drop ap for balance reasons implies he knows they all use ap but wont all drop ap

[iron notch]

Literally what I said "for balance reasons" jesus learn to read

[dusk vessel]

Since yes it isnt correlated

[lethal steeple]

did you know that you could save and load repeatedly to fully remove bleeding

because it gets randomized on game load as well as when it procs

[iron notch]

Your name suits you @timber flicker

[timber flicker]

?

[celest sparrow]

who is to asssume that it isn't for balance reasons

some people actually think that the ammo they drop is the ammo they were using

[timber flicker]

wtf are u a doctor for snakes?

[steep elm]

Huh, I didn't know this. Interesting

[formal mountain]

I'VE DIED TO RELOAD BLEED

[timber flicker]

i eat sand AND I LOVE IT

[formal mountain]

LIKE AN HOUR AGO

[iron notch]

Soz you got flak meant for the other guy

[formal mountain]

TY TEMPORARY SAVE

[timber flicker]

thats what u get for cheaping out on bandages

[dusk vessel]

I dont think ive ever saved while bleeding lmao

[iron notch]

Although it would have worked out perfectly

[celest sparrow]

There really isn't a way to tell if a Stalker is using AP unless you actually look into the files

[formal mountain]

temporary/autosave, wasn't me

[dusk vessel]

Ah

[formal mountain]

i've went on red bleed in like a 1s and usually don't carry torniquets

[celest sparrow]

or you just happen to connect one thing with another which most of the player base won't

[dusk vessel]

Theyre cheap to make

[formal mountain]

yeah but i always skip on them

[dusk vessel]

Bandages are abundant on dead stalkers and it takes some syth only

[formal mountain]

bye everyone peak is done downloading

[timber flicker]

why wouldnt u bring bandages, hella cheap weigh nothing, they are ugly but das bout it

[formal mountain]

i have 20 bandages, i said torniquets

[timber flicker]

why do you need a torniq

just spam 20 band

[formal mountain]

red bleed.

[dusk vessel]

Bruh

Brain damage

[lethal steeple]

bandages are as bad as br class because the animation is longer than most bleeds will ever last

and it takes 20 seconds to fully run its course

[formal mountain]

am i not getting something

[celest sparrow]

like really, do you think people will know Mercenary will start using AP around Veteran / Expert while any other Faction outside of Monolith / Sin / UNISG, will use AP at Master / Legend
while it could be common sense to relate high ranking stalkers with best ammo, you simply will never know

[dusk vessel]

I always craft all my bandages into tourniqs

[timber flicker]

yeah fker ur lucky enough to get med tools

im sitting on my 20 t3 tools

[iron notch]

It's incredibly obvious that what they drop has little to no relation to what they used when alive, just saying

[celest sparrow]

or how every Faction uses Slugs in Shotguns due to how Buckshot works against the Player which is pretty ass

[dusk vessel]

Lucky? They hard spawn in agroprom underground

I always grab them

[timber flicker]

thats the first time i hear bout that

[celest sparrow]

It's not obvious, I quite said that people tend to believe that what they drop is what they use

[timber flicker]

ive been away for a short while and so many new things

[formal mountain]

FINE OKAY

[timber flicker]

groks gotta chill

[formal mountain]

i'm opening baldur's gate for real

[timber flicker]

i hope baldur doesnt open

[astral panther]

Well damn

[celest sparrow]

You have to expect the average GAMMA player is a moron not by choice, but by design

[timber flicker]

the heavy bleeds are calling for you

[iron notch]

I dunno how you can come to that conclusion when they don't always drop their weapon and armour

[sick yoke]

People do still think ammo drop is related to ammo used, I have to wonder how they rationalize enemies dropping all 3 ammo types at once

[formal mountain]

i think people are very mean most of the time towards the average player

[formal mountain]

how can someone reasonably think that after a few hours of play makes me want to die

[celest sparrow]

a life make enemy switch ammo to fit their need

[timber flicker]

any smart stalker will load multiple types duuuh

[celest sparrow]

You heavily underestimate how creative people can be when it comes to trying to understand how the game works

[iron notch]

Games shouldn't pander to morons, that's half the reason old games were better than today's garbage because they didn't treat the player like an idiot that needed giant quest markers and yellow paint everywhere

[dusk vessel]

Worst part is that modern games are correct about it

Gaming is mainstream nowdays

[celest sparrow]

I'm saying the average GAMMA player is a moron cause GAMMA does such a shit job at explaining most things

[timber flicker]

i mean yeah they got hella ego and think they are above everyone what else do you expect from discord servers

[iron notch]

Doesn't mean developers should add to the enshitificasion of the world

[dusk vessel]

They treat players like an idiot because in 75% of the cases its gonna be correct

Just look at any modern gaming forum

[celest sparrow]

You can't expect everyone to understand the game as fast as you
You have to treat people like they are idiots because most of the time, they will be idiots

[iron notch]

So what doesn't mean you have to pander to them

[lethal steeple]

making things consistent and easily conveyable to the player is enshitification of gaming and pandering to morons that's crazy work

absolutely crazy work

[sick yoke]

It doesn’t pander to morons

[timber flicker]

you can treat em like ones or you can be nice knowing they dont know shi about the game

[tough quail]

look at what i got, ultra rare firearm

[iron notch]

Thankyou

[dusk vessel]

They would rather look up a guide on the internet than just read the quest in the menu

Thats how bad it is

[sick yoke]

It’s just entirely convoluted

[lethal steeple]

lmfao

[cursive bone]

is it usually fps draining if warefare is turned on specially on laptop?

[formal mountain]

uh...

💀

[tough quail]

time to bring this to fight monolith

[celest sparrow]

GAMMA just does a lot while doing the bare minimum to explain how it works to the player

[lethal steeple]

bro goes on a diabolical tangent about being able to think and read

[sick yoke]

Chat man that was sarcasm

[lethal steeple]

and then pulls that

[novel sierra]

No bro I disagree. I think it explains perfectly fine.

[iron notch]

Exactly that's the whole point of a game like GAMA

[novel sierra]

It used to be just online only. Now it's in game too

[sick yoke]

What determines damage

[tough quail]

what sidearm do i bring to maximize yeehaw

[cursive bone]

why would gamma needs to explain things to players? a gamma player can read if he knows how to install the game

[dusk vessel]

Im losing braincells good night

[timber flicker]

chiiiil babygurl

[novel sierra]

Few things.
Barrel, ammo used, gun itself

[timber flicker]

i can spare u one of mine(got 3)

[novel sierra]

Are you sure?

[sick yoke]

Ok what determines the damage stat

[celest sparrow]

#╟🔰☢newbies-chat being a thing and people not knowing there are Guides within the PDA they could read to understand the mechanics GAMMA introduces

[dusk vessel]

U got any left!?

[thick sedge]

I think it's obvious that warfare mode greatly impacts to fps for a laptop

[formal mountain]

i will say barrel ammo and gun damage stat

kill me if you must

[timber flicker]

i think il be fine with 2

[novel sierra]

The gun itself. Grok decided it

[dusk vessel]

Every gun has a set base damage and every ammo has a set multiplier

Its pretty simple but most players will never know

[lethal steeple]

because the ammo modifier is a hidden number

[sick yoke]

Ok then what does hp ammo do if the gun determines the damage stat

[novel sierra]

So in other words I was right

[iron notch]

Man back in the early days I would have to ride my bike to the local EB Games or the library to find magazines or talk to someone if I got stuck on a game, if someone is really struggling they can just look it up online and if they are to dumb to do that then they should start counting rocks as a hobby instead of ruining it for everyone else

[dusk vessel]

x1.64 dmg

[novel sierra]

The damage of the gun is arbitrarily decided?

[timber flicker]

the gun knows how much damage it does because it knows how much dmg it doesnt do

[celest sparrow]

guys my deer hunter deals 606 damage but it didnt kill the military in 1 hit? like what the freak

[cursive bone]

what about PC? can a PC manage the fps drop with warefare turned on?

[novel sierra]

I was right. Why did you pass aggressibley react?

[astral panther]

Stalker gamma jeopardy game session 😂

[formal mountain]

multiply the gun base damage

[lethal steeple]

there is no way this guy is real dude this shit is mental

[novel sierra]

AP value?
Armor of eenmy?
Hit location?

[thick sedge]

it could with a good CPU

[celest sparrow]

explain why the Mosin has lower damage than other 7.62x54 weapons

[lethal steeple]

that's a crazy ass crashout and a crazy ass thing to crashout over

[celest sparrow]

[iron notch]

I know right

[cursive bone]

dang gamma really is comparable to triple A

[sick yoke]

Pkm hell

[celest sparrow]

or why the Korth 6" has higher damage than other .45 ACP pistols

[novel sierra]

What is so unbelievable to you?
That someone this old is playing GAMMA?

[timber flicker]

maybe ladyboy?

[dusk vessel]

The SR1M kit used to bring it up to the same base damage as rifles

Not anymore though

[novel sierra]

My theory is that It's decided by Grok.
It's an arbitrary value decided by those who put that gun in the game.
Also for balance reasons.
Tier B weapon, can't be as good as Tier D

[cursive bone]

does all of you use F1, F2 ,F3 for healing keybinds? or do u have other set up? just asking since im using small keyboard so its kinda hard to press F1

[lethal steeple]

nah the whole angle of good game design being pandering to morons

[thick sedge]

warfare mode is buggy as far as I'm reading almost everywhere here lots of NPCs marching for war is definitely stressful

[dusk vessel]

Then why are 23mm shotguns in B tier

[timber flicker]

when is grok adding realistic real time bullet physic going trough metal then flesh

[dusk vessel]

[celest sparrow]

All I'm saying is
GAMMA poorly conveys the information needed for the player to understand how things work without having to look up a Guide
cause apparently it is a good game when you can barely understand how the game works and need to ask strangers and look up information to understand it

[novel sierra]

What does that Gun Kit even do?
It just says it modifies a bunch of weapons. Not specific

[thick sedge]

nah add item to wheel via backpack, then hold Z key, a quickwheel with my heals pop up

[cursive bone]

yea... i saw the npcs spawning in front of me and we keep getting raided by military at cordon

[formal mountain]

i agree

[novel sierra]

I do.
Small keybard?
Buy better one

[cursive bone]

ohh yea i forgot that

[tough quail]

surely this will help me storm pripyat

[timber flicker]

brother how small is that keyboard that its hard to press f1 lmao

[cursive bone]

keyboard without numpads and arrows

[iron notch]

Yes its called intrigue and mystery, everything doesn't have to be spelt out in black and white

[novel sierra]

It's not game design. It's literally everything.
Average person too dumb to do X
Make X more simple
End of story

[novel sierra]

Insufficicne

[sick yoke]

This man would rather play with anomaly ui

[cursive bone]

i have to press Function key simutanously with number 1 to make it F1

[timber flicker]

all u doing with that lever action is ticklin chimeras, that 23mm is gonna do sum dmg tho

[celest sparrow]

intrigue and mystery when I shoot the enemy 20 times and they didn't die so I get upset and throw a tantrum in #╟🔰☢newbies-chat before I am explained how armor works

[sick yoke]

Where everything is determined by bars because it adds “mystery and intrigue”

[thick sedge]

I have a 65% keyboard to play this and oh boy wish I'd just use an office 100% keyboard because F1 means you need to press Fn key first

[novel sierra]

I don't know

[cursive bone]

i do that a lot and i finished gamma 2 times now

[lethal steeple]

i defended stat bars because of compatibility and that the all the numbers is just straight up ui gore

it looks awful

[timber flicker]

why do you need f1?

[novel sierra]

How that game mechanics work SHOULD be explaineed

[sick yoke]

Actually we just shouldn’t have a ui anymore because that makes it too explainable and understandable

[iron notch]

Again if thats how someone reacts they should start counting rocks as hobby

[timber flicker]

ewww stat bars are awful

[cursive bone]

gamma preset in healing

[thick sedge]

I don't, it actually softlocks my character and had to reconnect the keyboard

[dusk vessel]

Thats why you should play games blindfolded

[thick sedge]

there's already quickwheel

[dusk vessel]

More mystery and intrigue

[sick yoke]

You get me so well

[timber flicker]

oh rigght

[novel sierra]

I think bars look better too
But let's be hoenst here.
The gumbers are SO MUCH more clear

[cursive bone]

HEY GUYS what about RMB simutanously with the small top button in the left side part of youre LMB, can you shoot while holding both button at the same time?

basically double zooming and shooting

[lethal steeple]

is mystery and intrigue going to be 2026's funny buzzword

[sick yoke]

For gamma yeah

[lethal steeple]

yeah but it's, you know, something which people didn't understand so it's made simpler, therefore it's pandering to morons, do you happen to be a moron

[thick sedge]

owned

[sick yoke]

2025 was game that doesn’t fake survival so this is probably an upgrade

[timber flicker]

its gonna be memmory

[novel sierra]

I already explained this earlier.
EVERYTHING must be pandered to morons.
OR else you're gatekeeping potential customers and therefore $$$

[celest sparrow]

It's how it should work if the means to provide it are there
Shadow of Chernobyl gave the player the option to skip having to fight the Military in the Cordon Bridge if they figured out how the Electro anomaly worked
Figuring out how things work in terms of gameplay via trial and error is good game design

GAMMA doesn't really have any of that for most of the things it introduces outside of the established Stalker formula

[grave pivot]

Stalker had a stash for me. Fucker led me to a bloodsucker nest

[sick yoke]

Oh we should remove indicators when you get hit btw

Mystery and intrigue

[grave pivot]

10,000 curses upon that stalker's bloodline

[tough quail]

hes probably already dead

[novel sierra]

Hmm.
Well can't you read ENOUGH on the PDA?

[iron notch]

literally explaining enshitification of games

[sick yoke]

You instead just keel over and die to invisible damage

[lethal steeple]

the damage indicator in anomaly is hideous tho it could be done away with

[timber flicker]

tbh id love it if grok removed the radiation notifs bars ect and force us to hold a gcounter 24 7

[novel sierra]

It tells you how to repair guns and armor

[thick sedge]

enshittification is a word? the more I know...

[celest sparrow]

Then it's really just poorly conveying the information to the player because you have to read a guide to understand how it works

[dusk vessel]

You shouldnt be able to open your inventory outside of opening stashes and traders

[novel sierra]

It's unavoidable

[dusk vessel]

More mystery and intrigue

[novel sierra]

I simply disagree my man

[lethal steeple]

he once had a meltdown over people saying the geiger was pointless because the bar was there

[thick sedge]

mystery and intrigue a new year lingo

[iron notch]

agreed or at the very least have it it beep in your pocket and have to pull it out to really so how bad it is

[patent zinc]

alright dumbass question, SVDS retribution, anyone know what keybind im looking for to use the canted sight, both the sight swap and grenade launcher keys set to V dont do shiiii

[sick yoke]

Not knowing what you’re carrying is pretty mysterious

[novel sierra]

I don't think having a game so complicated taht it needs guides to explain mechanics is bad.
It's not poorly conveying.

[celest sparrow]

like even in the Trilogy, they had to explain it to you how the PDA functioned and what it could do
you even had popups for basic movement

[timber flicker]

lol

[celest sparrow]

It is bad lol

[novel sierra]

It should be V
Aim down the sightr then press V

[celest sparrow]

If someone can't figure it out via gameplay and they have to read several things before they can fully understand something, then it's poorly designed

[novel sierra]

So let me see if I understand what your complaint it

[tough quail]

?

[patent zinc]

ive attempted that, starting to think imma have to accept it dont wanna work

[tough quail]

i think you remapped the button

[dusk vessel]

Even in some 2003 games it was pretty handheld in terms of story. Literally invinceable for the first level

[timber flicker]

yeah i would love it if the rad spots were random too on every new playtrough

[novel sierra]

Are you saying taht you WANT GAMMA tohave in game tutorial sections?

[patent zinc]

ive remapped both sight toggle and GL to V at dif times neither did shiiii

[sick yoke]

People don’t know that they’re already being added

[tough quail]

whack

try mapping underbarrel to something else

[novel sierra]

Because in my opinion, that would be 100 X more bad than just an optional reading secion

[timber flicker]

there are tuttorials in game alr no ? ive had like 30 pop up when im fighting someone

[sick yoke]

Shhhhhh don’t tell them

[patent zinc]

yeah no dice

[thick sedge]

shhh just disable new player experience in mo2 trust

[dusk vessel]

Gamma players on their way to close the popup tutorials without reading them so they can ask how the game works in this server

[timber flicker]

yeah i probably should, ive been playing gamma for years lol

[sick yoke]

That makes it funnier when they ask

[lethal steeple]

npe is so well crafted tho like dead ass it's a really good writeup on everything it has a pop up on

[celest sparrow]

It was being considered but dropped in favor for the popup Tutorials NPE offered, which a lot of information was able to be condensed while appearing when the player did something related to that mechanic
It tries to remove the need of having the player look into the PDA and expect to find the Guide section in order to start reading how everything works

[sick yoke]

Oh right I wonder if it’s ever explained how to dodge giant slams

Probably not

[timber flicker]

will grok add spicy scene with sidrovich? him eating the chickon

[dusk vessel]

I read through all of it once just to see what it says

[thick sedge]

I haven't had that

[dusk vessel]

Its decent information

[iron notch]

i thought i read a log from him like a year ago that the geiger counter was going to beep from your pocket, what happened to that plan?

[patent zinc]

take back what i said it started working

[lethal steeple]

explaining the giant stomp dodge is kinda complicated tho

in simple terms

[dusk vessel]

But im afriad the people who need to read said information are the same ones who wont read it

The people who will take the time to read and understand are the same ones who can figure it out on their own given some time

[timber flicker]

jump when his hand is almost on the ground ?

[dusk vessel]

Its nice to have for them though

[lethal steeple]

true

i concede

[tough quail]

i can only dodge the ground slam the exact moment it hits the ground tho

[dusk vessel]

Jump when his tail hits the ground works for me

[celest sparrow]

It sure is, even if other information is left up to speculation

just how Rad Res works

thanks Grok, very cool

[lethal steeple]

not the rads res iceberg

[timber flicker]

hes got 2 tho, so the right tail i focus on isss?

[lethal steeple]

not even a can of woms

woms yes

[timber flicker]

i love woms

[lethal steeple]

or a rabbit hole

a fucking ICEBERG

just on rads res

[celest sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-dead-bite-gif-6930506623365380019

[sick yoke]

Ah fuck that’s right rad res exists

[dusk vessel]

Coffee my goat in this game

[timber flicker]

fk coffe, it doesnt hit, i love fent tho

imagine a stalker just fent folding by rostock checkpoint every mornin

a bump to start the day

[thick sedge]

coffee is cheap fent is not

[sick yoke]

Explain rad res without pointing to anything out of game (impossible difficulty)

[timber flicker]

=it is cheap if u find it

[thick sedge]

finding... the fent?

[dusk vessel]

Brewed coffee the most expensive part by far is just the water

[thick sedge]

maybe

[sick yoke]

That and npc armor

[tough quail]

hm exo helm or apocalypse helm

[timber flicker]

ofc theres daily fent fold find events

the FFF

[celest sparrow]

GROK EXPLAIN WHY I HAVE 120% RAD RES, AM I INMMUNE TO IT?

[dusk vessel]

Apocalypse for style points

[thick sedge]

can you even get fent from drug runner stash you illegally open

[timber flicker]

yes and you give others cancer

[thick sedge]

FREE AIDS

[sick yoke]

(You’re not) 👍 real

[timber flicker]

dont u bad mouth my boy aids

[tough quail]

aidsmaxxing

[grave pivot]

you're probably wondering how i got into this situation.

[timber flicker]

@mint horizon

[celest sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDitj4qE5A

[timber flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1285118594576945163/1453522309523706089/youtube-ebnYbhU9ukA.mov?ex=6955aaa3&is=69545923&hm=5d3f99050460613c403fa5bb73fccf694a4a4b8bf725d1e45b57e78eeafef9a7&

[sick yoke]

Honestly I think npc armor is functionally impossible to explain and it’s really dumb

[timber flicker]

its a force field

[dusk vessel]

I noticed it works differently from player armour when doing simulation

[grave pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/chica-toy-chica-fnaf-foxy-freddy-gif-938004550236127790

[grave pivot]

theyre all looking at me like this

[celest sparrow]

it's like the division

[thick sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/274965772055609344/1406082152545783818/crazy-cat.gif

[celest sparrow]

npc no take damage when armor
shoot until no armor
no armor mean damage

[dusk vessel]

That npc armour breaks after a few shots

[timber flicker]

npc shoot you once you no head game over

[grave pivot]

"theres a group of soldiers there."

"naw naw twin, you chucked a grenade at us."

[thick sedge]

no head? :(

[timber flicker]

unless ??

ey yo

[celest sparrow]

ah shit but it's good game design when I need someone to explain me whey the Military guy I shot in the head 7 times didn't die
I hit the clavicle

[steep elm]

Damn, guess I missed the party right outside the Garbage train yard...

[steep elm]

just aim harder

[sick yoke]

Me when I shoot enemy with screen helm with 9x19 fmj and they don’t die despite screen only having 11 BR class and 9x19 fmj having 19 ap

[thick sedge]

the military guy with a cyan beret with just tanked 5 shots of 9x19 FMJ what do I DOOOOOO

[celest sparrow]

me when br4 ammo

[grave pivot]

Me when i unload 8 12 gauge buckshot shells into an enemy's torso and he doesnt break a rib

[timber flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/bullet-gif-8246875

[steep elm]

Clearly berets offer extraordinary amounts of BR

[distant elk]

im doing this quest and i kill the guy from the start of the game if you side with the stalkers...what do i do after i kill the dude 2 times?

[grave pivot]

A monolithian in fucking exoskeleton tanked 5 shots from my 7.92. his head should be GOOP by now

[sick yoke]

Titanium skull like the terminator (unironic, you have kvmas installed)

[celest sparrow]

how did they cut the bullet open tho

[timber flicker]

magic

[celest sparrow]

and the gun like thats crazy

[timber flicker]

only the fent wizards know

[scenic depot]

yeah i dont think the kvma models are accurate to the npcs actual stats

[timber flicker]

if you wanna know you gotta fold with them for a day

[scenic depot]

dont use em

[dusk vessel]

There is a big burer in the back

Kill him

[thick sedge]

grok please add gibbing so I know I actually one shotted a man

[distant elk]

oh okay

[timber flicker]

they should make the 50 callls 1 tap either way

[celest sparrow]

the time period where a bandit was unkillable

peak kvma

[dusk vessel]

The guy you shot was just an illusion it was a controller

[timber flicker]

a brother would be a smoothie if he gets hit by one of them big boys

[sick yoke]

Old versions of Kvmas were so incompatible with gamma that leather jacket bandits with no helmet actually had an unreasonably high armor pool

[dusk vessel]

Mirage is the name for a reason

[sick yoke]

Funniest shit ever

[thick sedge]

that's no armor that's willpower

[timber flicker]

i wonder if theres a tank mod

[formal mountain]

This cannot be real

[celest sparrow]

he is real

100%

[sick yoke]

I’m sorry

[formal mountain]

Nah, C-consciousness device

[sick yoke]

It’s not ragebait 😔

[timber flicker]

i think everything just overpens the meatbag so nothing does dmg ? and with the power of radiation it just heals up? like ghouls from fallout

[sick yoke]

I know that’s ragebait

[timber flicker]

i would never bait

[sick yoke]

I’m still kind of annoyed by it though

[formal mountain]

Can we trademark intrigue and mystery

[dusk vessel]

Thats the point of bait

[timber flicker]

oh ur back, did baldus gate 3 not open ?

[formal mountain]

I'm crying

[formal mountain]

I realized it's 4am and shouldnt start a save

[dusk vessel]

You shouldnt be able to see what your characters stats are

[sick yoke]

Baldus gate 3

[dusk vessel]

For intrigue and mystery

[formal mountain]

My beloved

[timber flicker]

baldussy

[thick sedge]

baldur's gape

[sick yoke]

Where every character is bald and their quest is getting their hair back

[celest sparrow]

I think I do remember someone saying how AP was bad for Mutants because of overpenetration which is funny as it is correct but not in the right way

[formal mountain]

You need god nvm

[tough quail]

bald ur gae

[formal mountain]

😭

[sick yoke]

Underpenetration actually

[iron notch]

100%, yellow paint, quest markers, dumbed down mechanics the list goes on have all added to the enshitification of games

[scenic depot]

I agree gamma is very obtuse but it's only gotten easier to understand

There's in-game tutorials now aren't there

[formal mountain]

I agree with yellow paint but quest markers?

[dusk vessel]

Or how the helicopters have no armour

[thick sedge]

the power of the absolute made me aids free fucking all origins in bg3

[timber flicker]

they dont tho

[sick yoke]

Oh yeah that’s right

[celest sparrow]

what if gamma was acute though

[timber flicker]

its carboard

[formal mountain]

Funniest shit ever

[sick yoke]

Helicopters are literally just an hp pool

[timber flicker]

what u think russia can afford metal ?

[iron notch]

Whats the point if im told exactly where to go and what to do all the time may as well watch a movie

[dusk vessel]

I had assumed the helicopters had armour but its just an hp sponge

[formal mountain]

Just tell someone "oh yeah they are a mutant"

[dusk vessel]

When i was new anyway

[timber flicker]

they gave their troops plastic plates for their rigs xd

[celest sparrow]

Holy fuck don't let this guy play any videogame ever

[sick yoke]

Mutant helicopters

[distant elk]

yeah 2 of then

them

[timber flicker]

yooo new mutant, spinning giant that flys

[scenic depot]

No quest markers is only fun if the game provides enough context clues for the player to find their own way there and not just wander aimlessly

[formal mountain]

I read from someone a cordon heli got killed by the vortex anomaly

[iron notch]

You are the reason Ubisoft had success in this market

[formal mountain]

Literally wtf

[celest sparrow]

yeah it's nice when it does so

[sick yoke]

Ubisoft
Success

[celest sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191157234261033150/1402045900876156948/togif.gif

[dusk vessel]

Yooo plot of cop

[celest sparrow]

This you

[timber flicker]

are u saying the heli was alive ?

[celest sparrow]

I don't even have to try

[dusk vessel]

Finally

[sick yoke]

I uh, I don’t think you know what success is

[timber flicker]

that shit is the most adorable thing ive ever seen

[formal mountain]

Yes it's a mutant

[sick yoke]

Yeah it had a family you fucking monster

[timber flicker]

fk it

[formal mountain]

Fucking monster.

[timber flicker]

twist it

pull it

[formal mountain]

Freedom Fucker

[timber flicker]

LMAO

[formal mountain]

Sorry i had to

[timber flicker]

thats good

[celest sparrow]

It must be hard for you to be happy when it comes to playing videogames

but that's okay grandpa

[timber flicker]

after years of duty i tried the lesbian freedomers, i quit after 10min

[celest sparrow]

take your meds and get some sleep

[sick yoke]

But yeah we should revert the stats back to bars

All of them

[scenic depot]

I did that with mods lol

[sick yoke]

Even artifact stats

[dusk vessel]

For the mystery and intrigue

[scenic depot]

I can still see the % by mousing over

[sick yoke]

Armor and gun stats too

[timber flicker]

brother how thefuq am i suppost to tell what it does and how much it does if its a blank bar

[scenic depot]

the numbers in the inventory by default is eye gore

[formal mountain]

Literally. I've come back and it's like heaven, fuck that bars

[iron notch]

Would rather be grandpa than an ipad baby

[dusk vessel]

But then also make the bars not correlate to the actual stats at all

[formal mountain]

Gave me cancer

[timber flicker]

dmg - ////////////// could mean 1 or 100

[dusk vessel]

Peak game design

[sick yoke]

Oh and none of the bars should actually be accurate to the boost you gain either

[timber flicker]

lemme cure u

[sick yoke]

Yeah you get it killian

[distant elk]

whats the best way of killing him?

[formal mountain]

How

[timber flicker]

chemo ofc duh

[sick yoke]

That’s good game design right there

[scenic depot]

Gun

[formal mountain]

[celest sparrow]

Yeah yeah whatever you say grandpa

[dusk vessel]

Wait until his shield is down and magdump

[sick yoke]

Why aren’t you developing gamma

[dusk vessel]

Also keep moving

[celest sparrow]

back in my days ahh

[timber flicker]

i was a brick 9999 baby, life was amaizing back then

[dusk vessel]

I have a job

[celest sparrow]

you can make more from mining bitcoin from gamba players

[timber flicker]

u can laugh all u want but that brick game handheld was the bomb when i was a lil boy

[distant elk]

he summons anomalies lol

[formal mountain]

No inbetween, either a dumbass or cancer2™

[celest sparrow]

he's just old

[formal mountain]

My gameboy and psp

[dusk vessel]

Thats why i said keep movin

[sick yoke]

Anyway I think it’s funny just how much qol has improved gamma but we shouldn’t have any of it because that removes the mystery and intrigue of the game

[timber flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/tetris-brick-game-gif-25526478

[formal mountain]

Were THE SHIT

[timber flicker]

in my stomache

[celest sparrow]

this goes so hard

[formal mountain]

Bro i would bring my gameboy at school and feel like a god after leaving and waiting for my parents to pick me up

Playing super mario land 2

[timber flicker]

yeah ikr i had one i loved the tank one and tetris , fk the snake man shi was rigged

[dusk vessel]

Im having way too much fun with this i should be sleeping

[timber flicker]

go sleep

[celest sparrow]

playing Mario Kart DS during recess

[scenic depot]

is the mystery and intrigue in the room with us

[dusk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1085656974676475947/1452161296148725840/togif.gif

[timber flicker]

u want me to hold ur hand ?

[timber flicker]

cute pussy

[formal mountain]

Me when Mystery and Intrigue™

[dusk vessel]

I wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot pole

[timber flicker]

fair, i could have some dissease, i dont even know

i wouldnt touch myself without a 10 foot pole but here i am

[scenic depot]

walking into a burner because i want to find out how much fire resist i have. i love mystery and intrigue.

[distant elk]

awww oaky

[sick yoke]

Your pda shouldn’t work because that makes the game more mysterious and intriguing

[steep elm]

Sure would be a shame if your PDA takes a bullet for you and suddenly stops working

[dusk vessel]

Imagine gamma realism edition where you have no hud and 30kg carry weight

[timber flicker]

oh ur one of them stat bar enjoyers ?

[formal mountain]

Magic teleport shouldnt exist, walk from cordon to cnpp for fun thrice cuz quests say so

[dusk vessel]

Also die in one shot

[sick yoke]

No map, no task checking, no relations checking, no taskboard, nothing

[celest sparrow]

BAD GAME DESIGN

Figuring out why the Burer is killing you by interacting with it
GOOD GAME DESIGN
Reading 120 pages on how Mutants work before playing the game

[scenic depot]

yes i love stat bars because they're prettier

[timber flicker]

u like the longer ones or the shorter ones ?

[formal mountain]

I think the PDA guides are cool tbh

[grave pivot]

20 bloodsuckers. There were two military guys that were taking on half of them. Absolute units, i say.

[formal mountain]

Unlocking the entries after the first encounter

[scenic depot]

a healthy middle

[novel sierra]

What?

[timber flicker]

i imagine my stalker dude just googles the shi he just saw like- tall lanky fker who goes invisible stalker.help or sum

[sick yoke]

Rad res is unexplainable ingame by current gamma standards

[lethal steeple]

i made the original accurate stats mod and i defend stat bars because of mod compatibility reasons, not further diluting ui mod creation (i.e. make a version for everything else, and one exclusively for gamma), and because numbers just look awful and extremely noisy

[formal mountain]

Uh?

[novel sierra]

Is it really so complicated?
I'm on a new run of GAMMA first time in like a year.
Never had a problem with Rads at all

[sick yoke]

Aka explained dogshit awfully

[scenic depot]

and real talk the bars are easier on the eyes and its typically much faster to take stock of your stats with bars vs numbers

[sick yoke]

100% rad res doesn’t make you immune to rads

[novel sierra]

Similar. Apocalypse then switch to Spartan. Spartan shoulod be best in game

[sick yoke]

Because uh

[celest sparrow]

yeah it hints you to know more about the mutant by reading the PDA Guide and interacting with it
instead of "you should have know how this mutant works before you encountered it. What are you, stupid?"

[timber flicker]

so 0 numbers just bars that could mean 1 or 1000 ?

[sick yoke]

100% protection doesn’t actually mean 100% protection

[scenic depot]

the numbers should be readily available if needed but man the default gamma stat screen is so horrid to look at

[lethal steeple]

why the fuck would a bar mean 1 or 100 when it's a fucking scale brother what are you saying

[sick yoke]

Very cool and understandable

[formal mountain]

Counting bars is literally cancer, you're wrong

[scenic depot]

who said counting

[celest sparrow]

spitting bars tho

[scenic depot]

bars are for a quick ez peek

[lethal steeple]

also tooltips are a thing

[novel sierra]

IS IT REALLY THOUGH?
You shoot armor.
It gets damaged according to body parts.
Beeger Booolet and Higher AP values damage armor more.
Once Armor Broken?
Then do HP damage.

[scenic depot]

check tooltips if you want numbers

[distant elk]

big boi down...can you repeat this?

[lethal steeple]

sleep/thirst/hunger displayed their number value when you hovered over the bar

[timber flicker]

u right im sorry, lemme kiss u on that hot mouf

[lethal steeple]

the other bars could've done so

[formal mountain]

That's fine then, i don't remember shit from last gamma run

[sick yoke]

.338 federal is one of the biggest bullets in the game

[timber flicker]

theres one thats bigger

[sick yoke]

Yeah which is why I said one of

[novel sierra]

If that's true then the obvious answer is that 9X19 FMJ doesn't do enough damage to 1 shot a man with a headshot

[celest sparrow]

You're really only digging yourself deeper by saying you figured this out by yourself

[timber flicker]

cmoon man u had to ask the name of it

[sick yoke]

It does

[celest sparrow]

as if Armor systems are a very common thing in FPS
as if Stalker ever worked like that

[timber flicker]

for some reason stalker makes my nuts sweat

[novel sierra]

what's kvma?

[dusk vessel]

Just add the armour system from cs

Avoid headache

[celest sparrow]

[formal mountain]

Add more headaches duh

[timber flicker]

cs? ewww

whats next, we add friendly mutants?

[grave pivot]

I love learning

[scenic depot]

from what ive gleaned from lurking in this server for a few years is that all of the calculations in gamma are terribly overcomplicated and never really boil down to anything as simple as this, even if it might seem like that from a surface level

[dusk vessel]

Play as sin

[steep elm]

Bittersweet this is, considering what's to come soon

[celest sparrow]

it used to be worse by the way

[timber flicker]

oooookay buddy, just bcs i dont play ur edgy 12yr old faction doesnt mean u gotta be a dik

[novel sierra]

KEK!
I didn't know this.
I never play with Heclicopters on because they are simply annoying

[sick yoke]

Oh yeah pretty sure it’s also completely unmentioned that helmets reduce the flinch and blurriness from getting headshot

[celest sparrow]

They don't tho

[dusk vessel]

There is also rng is there not

Can be 10 or 11 bullets on the same enemy

Or even 10 or 12

[scenic depot]

perhaps

[timber flicker]

u know nothing kilian

u know no spells

[celest sparrow]

Only when it comes to dealing "blunt" damage

[formal mountain]

How are you supposed to know that, WHERE

[celest sparrow]

I have the math available cause I'm a fucking gamma chud

[scenic depot]

mystery and intrigue

[timber flicker]

u know it by getting hit in the head ?

[dusk vessel]

I havent dug into details im making assumptions

[sick yoke]

They do pretty sure? Grok brought that up during the godforsaken “blackout on headshot” conversation

[celest sparrow]

They don't afaik

[lethal steeple]

grok's word cluelessblind

[celest sparrow]

AP Values
k_ap = k_ap / ( 1 + dist / 200 * ( air_res * 0.5 / ( 1 - air_res + 0.1 ))) * isg_res * silencer_boost * difficulty_multiplier[game_num] * invincible_mult * 0.80

Damage Value
shit.power = wpn_hit_power / ( 1 + dist / 200 * ( air_res * 0.5 / ( 1 - air_res + 0.1 ))) * k_hit * custom_bone_dmg_mult * custom_bone_ap_scale * 1.1 * sniper_bad_bone_shit_reduce * barrel_condition_corrected * sin_res * difficulty_multiplier[game_num] * ammo_mult * silencer_boost

have some math

[formal mountain]

The gamma iceberg going from one side of the earth to the other

[timber flicker]

anyway , how yall queeens doing today?

[sick yoke]

PTSD

[celest sparrow]

wait I forgot the nonpen math

[sick yoke]

Sniper bad bone shit reduce is so real

[lethal steeple]

bottom of the abyss layer has "multihit being called a feature and justified as being bullet fragmentation"

[celest sparrow]

shoot guy till dead

aim for head

you win

[formal mountain]

Wtf is multihit

[timber flicker]

how did u get a pic of me ?

[scenic depot]

the setting i always enable when starting a new zomboid run

[sick yoke]

It’s simultaneously complicated and just stupidly unexplained

[formal mountain]

So do i

[timber flicker]

bullet enter body, bullet hit bone, bullet rico and hit more

[lethal steeple]

bullets don't always despawn when they hit something and if this happens then the bullet will continue to hit other hitboxes inside the model

[celest sparrow]

shit.power = shit.power * custom_bone_hitfraction * math.random(25,100) / 1 (No HP Penetration Penalty) i found it damage when the shot doesn't penetrate

[lethal steeple]

he knows too much

[sick yoke]

Oh yeah math random

We’re really cooking now

[novel sierra]

Wow that look compliated. No thank you

[formal mountain]

That is... Stupidly simple but also why

[sick yoke]

Anyway what the fuck is sniper bad bone shit reduce

[celest sparrow]

ah shit i can deal 0.03 damage or 0.05 damage

[timber flicker]

imo grok should add most realistic bullet physics to the pack and burn everyones cpu so only the elites can play gamma

[scenic depot]

I do think having that little bit of rng makes it feel less gamey

[celest sparrow]

Sniper Leg / Arm Damage Penalty

It's the anti leg meta for snipers

[novel sierra]

are you serious?

[timber flicker]

imagine how nasty it would be to create some sorta virus that attacks the memmory frying it in this economy

[novel sierra]

Please tell me you're joking

[scenic depot]

that's crazy

[hasty goblet]

Finna become hated by everyone when I make a borderlands style damage numbers mod for gamma

[sick yoke]

Oh right

[lethal steeple]

this is an ancient mod tho

[novel sierra]

so all of the guns deemed "sniper rifles" do reduced damage to arms and legs compared to other guns?

[sick yoke]

Ok but that’d be cool??

[timber flicker]

can you make an apex legends one ? i wanna see like numbers fly above heads

[celest sparrow]

I wish it worked for gamma and im too stupid to make it work

[novel sierra]

Please tell me you're joking

[celest sparrow]

[lethal steeple]

it doesn't work right away with gbo but it doesn't need that much work

[scenic depot]

the damage numbers are just more math equations floating above bad guys

that would be so funny

[celest sparrow]

yeah

[sick yoke]

I’m joking about joking about that being a thing

[hasty goblet]

I will make the numbers wrong but seem plausible. The damage to the community will be irreparable.

[novel sierra]

Fuck you

That's stupid as shit

[celest sparrow]

oh but this information can be known by simply playing the game, right?

[sick yoke]

Good

[novel sierra]

Why would they do that?

[dusk vessel]

Do SMG deal higher damage to limbs like in pubg

[celest sparrow]

no

[lethal steeple]

mystery and intrigue

[sick yoke]

That’s so based

[scenic depot]

most likely to nerf them since they're so good

[dusk vessel]

Aw

[celest sparrow]

Shotguns do have a minor AP increase with legs

like buckshot

[timber flicker]

we are all mentaly ill ppl fighting eachother, i think we should unite instead of fighting

[scenic depot]

would probably be busted against exos

[novel sierra]

Then why not nerf the actual damage

[lethal steeple]

hey don't fret tho bolt actions aim in faster!!!

[dusk vessel]

Speak for yourself

[sick yoke]

Leg meta but it doesn’t work 👍

[lethal steeple]

please use bolt actions!!!

[timber flicker]

ur the most ill of them all

[formal mountain]

I think we should fragment and fight more!

[scenic depot]

to reward having AP ammo and hitting shots i guess

[novel sierra]

I dunno
I use SVDS

[formal mountain]

I use 416

[scenic depot]

vs cheesing legs with lower tier ammo

[novel sierra]

I can reliably 1 tap headshot anybody

[blissful ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-cat-shaking-cat-alien-cat-gif-17719290639671130907

[novel sierra]

Almost anybod

[blissful ivy]

On gah?

[hasty goblet]

I only select guns based on coolness.

So obv I'm using bolts and lever actions

[timber flicker]

i would if there wasnt a better option right around the corner

[sick yoke]

Oh yeah legs take like

Super reduced damage anyway

[scenic depot]

Yeah but if you're ammo is dog it wont matter for high tier armors

[timber flicker]

but why

[celest sparrow]

grok swears on the leg meta being a thing

[blissful ivy]

Dont shoot leg, unless its only option

[scenic depot]

which i think is why its a thing

[sick yoke]

Anon what’s the multi again

[formal mountain]

Shooting at someone's leg through some metal wirefence

[hasty goblet]

Full cowgirl load out with lever action rifle, 1887 shotgun and single action army

[blissful ivy]

Glonk isnt always right, leg is not meta

[timber flicker]

every staker got like prostetic legs or sum bs?

[formal mountain]

Surely by Tomorrow they'll die... Of boredom

[sick yoke]

I’m vaguely thinking 0.4x but I don’t remember

[scenic depot]

just to be more punising and keep high tier ammo best option for fighting endgame stalkers

[distant elk]

dude just got 30k from that quest lol

[celest sparrow]

he will be right once he makes a poll

[sick yoke]

It’s probably 0.7x

[lethal steeple]

uhmmm what "better" option lil bro are we forgetting about the +5 to ap too??

[novel sierra]

That's stupid

[timber flicker]

did stalker launch for u or is it still crashing ?

[dusk vessel]

Because the majority is always right

[formal mountain]

I'm sleeping with my cat next to me

Being all happy

[sick yoke]

Torso I know is 0.9x

[novel sierra]

ALTHOUGH, I don't disagree with SIN having 65% ward save

[timber flicker]

ah yes the +5 pen that does nothing

[celest sparrow]

it's like .5x~

[sick yoke]

Because lol

[novel sierra]

I just think the 65% number is too high

[dusk vessel]

Whats head btw?

4x?

[sick yoke]

It’s just damage reduction for sin

[lethal steeple]

365

[novel sierra]

No way. Maybe 2.5

[dusk vessel]

Sounds right

[sick yoke]

3.65x unless you hit jaw

[hasty goblet]

And R700 has the cleanest scope in the game

[dusk vessel]

365 adds up

[formal mountain]

You made that up

[sick yoke]

In that case it’s 3.0x pretty sure

[lethal steeple]

jaw is 300

[celest sparrow]

yoo the days in a year

[novel sierra]

Ward Save is damage reduction.
But in a cooler diction

[scenic depot]

need some jaw

[timber flicker]

by the time a sniper shoots once ive alr loaded him up with 10-20 boooolets

[sick yoke]

I wish

[timber flicker]

i love bats

[lethal steeple]

365 damn she's fine

i know he says 9 i needed to make the pun

[celest sparrow]

guys did you know the toe has a .3x multiplier

[formal mountain]

That is completely made up. How can we have so much jank but jaw and head having different mumtiplier

[timber flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kung-fu-ai-orange-cat-fight-gif-8725930490492900021

[formal mountain]

[sick yoke]

Again, I wish

[formal mountain]

Fever dream coding

[novel sierra]

SHould we go to France and harass Grok in person?

[lethal steeple]

take a look inside grok_bo.script and be amazed

[sick yoke]

From what I remember the fingers also have different multi from the hand

[timber flicker]

wait hes FRENCH?

[sick yoke]

Or the arm or something

[hasty goblet]

0.299 if you hit pinky

[formal mountain]

NAHBH YOU'RE LYING

[lethal steeple]

mystery and intrigue on why the torso has a different multiplier than clavicles

[novel sierra]

At this point, that's unironically autism

[timber flicker]

i gotta burn my pc

[dusk vessel]

People forget its a modpack not a full game

[formal mountain]

WHAT

[sick yoke]

MYSTERY AND INTRIGUE

[dusk vessel]

Gut shots vs torso

[formal mountain]

MYSTERY AND INTRIGUE™

[scenic depot]

not to le compare everything to le tarkov but doesnt tarky have seperate damage for mouth/eyes/head etc

[sick yoke]

No

[timber flicker]

nvm memmory too expensive cant burn it

[dusk vessel]

Also diff values im guessing?

[lethal steeple]

mystery and intrigue on why the left thigh used to take more damage than the right thigh

[formal mountain]

No, armor protection and hitboxes

[steep elm]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-angel-ange-orange-gif-5468331840099331877

[novel sierra]

what's the source of mystery and intrigue?
Like where did that meme come from?

[sick yoke]

Unironically mw2019

[scenic depot]

close enough

[timber flicker]

bcs it was thicc duhhh

[scenic depot]

maybe same idea

[hasty goblet]

A surprising amount of influential people in the stalker sphere are French

[steep elm]

The Zone, stalker

[dusk vessel]

A guy said it earlier unironically

[sick yoke]

That one snake doc guy said it earlier

[celest sparrow]

mystery and intrigue when the K98 doesn't have a +5 AP bonus but the K98 Forester does

[dusk vessel]

For reasons that games shouldnt guide players

[scenic depot]

is this real

[sick yoke]

Yeah

[scenic depot]

its so outrageous i believe it

[novel sierra]

OH.
I thought it was a thing taht Grok said and it caught on as a meme

[lethal steeple]

and that justifies hitbox multis how?

[timber flicker]

like that +5 actualy makes a diff

[steep elm]

Can't help it if one thigh is more dumby thicc than the other

[grave pivot]

Will a Giant's groundpound be negated if you jump?

[novel sierra]

just abbreviate it

m&I

[grave pivot]

Dealing with the giant in X-18 or smth

[dusk vessel]

It doesent justify anything, just explains why

[lethal steeple]

it's not like you could group damage multis into nice and easy to understand groups

[novel sierra]

it does, but timing is VERY SPECIFIC

[sick yoke]

Stop thinking that dumbass shit is outrageous because it’s only rageous

[lethal steeple]

not really either like

why

[scenic depot]

autism

[dusk vessel]

Its janky because its not a full game

[timber flicker]

theres a giant in x18 ?

[novel sierra]

But guys, OG STalker games also had insanely complicated hitboxes. Nobody shits on those

[dusk vessel]

Its not any justification just an observation

[formal mountain]

@novel sierra

[grave pivot]

Smth in dark valley

[novel sierra]

Like, I know SOC had torso vs. gut vs. upper and lower leg

[lethal steeple]

nobody is crazy work

[sick yoke]

Oh right there’s also no location on the body that an enemy takes 100% damage

[lethal steeple]

hitboxes are the same across xray engine

[sick yoke]

Because torso is 0.9x

[hasty goblet]

Plenty of games have this level of weird jank shit, it's just that nobody usually cares

[sick yoke]

👍

[lethal steeple]

the trilogy had fingers set to 0x

[novel sierra]

Fuck you

[lethal steeple]

imagine that

[novel sierra]

I hate that

[timber flicker]

well yeah they got skin

[scenic depot]

i dont think there's any complaints about having seperate hitboxes moreso the weird damage modifiers that sometimes seem overcomplicated for no good reason just to add complexity

[dusk vessel]

In cs with an awp you can oneshot someone in the finger but not arm

[formal mountain]

That is mildly infuriating

[dusk vessel]

So even the biggest fps have jank

[novel sierra]

going to shit and shower

[dusk vessel]

It just is what it is

[novel sierra]

come back later to kek

[timber flicker]

do both at the same time and save a alot of time

[sick yoke]

Does cs2 still have the stomach take more damage than the chest

[dusk vessel]

Yes

[timber flicker]

no

[sick yoke]

Lol

[dusk vessel]

No it does

[timber flicker]

it doesnt

[tough quail]

no spartan yet, hopefully soon

[timber flicker]

check the notes

[formal mountain]

Civil war

[sick yoke]

Duality of man

[hasty goblet]

Isn't this because all enemies have like 10hp and it's all just damage resist that makes them take a different number of shots to kill?

[dusk vessel]

What fucking notes

[timber flicker]

bruh

this dude

revoke his license to say facts

[formal mountain]

What notes tho

[timber flicker]

bcs he aint

[sick yoke]

1.0 (functionally 100 anyway)

[timber flicker]

the notes bruh

idk what other name there is for them notes

[lethal steeple]

nah it's just obtuse ass design

[sick yoke]

Not the point though, I mean there’s no location on the body that doesn’t modify your damage in some way

There’s no 1.0x multi

[formal mountain]

1.0 hp seems a bad idea to me anyway, but i'm not a game dev

[sick yoke]

Which is hilariously dumb

[lethal steeple]

damage got lowered by 10% across the board and then a 1.1x multi was added across the board and then it was removed

[dusk vessel]

You have to be retarded or something

Because youre just wrong

[scenic depot]

the numbers

[timber flicker]

ey u dont need to be a chef to understand if the food ur eating is shit

[timber flicker]

okay mr what notes

[formal mountain]

Don't they cancel each other out

[lethal steeple]

not at all because it's the same as 100%

[sick yoke]

1.0 and 100 are functionally the same in terms of hp anyway

[dusk vessel]

Gut shots take more damage in cs

Always have since go

[lethal steeple]

nah 90% x 1.1 is 99%

[timber flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-gif-4600576945121607652

[scenic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-halloween-decoration-electric-shock-electrocuted-electric-chair-gif-3437669759357101102

[grave pivot]

Ground stomp damages me while im in midair

👍

[scenic depot]

yeah

[formal mountain]

What the hexk

[timber flicker]

kilian rn

[dusk vessel]

Your name is very accurate please never change it

[sick yoke]

You have to be ascending in your jump when the slam hits

[formal mountain]

Ty, didnt know

[timber flicker]

xd

[scenic depot]

INTRIGUE AND MYSTERY

[sick yoke]

Yeah

[lethal steeple]

bro misquoted it

flay him

[scenic depot]

I've been misquoting this whole time

[timber flicker]

fk does flay mean ?

[scenic depot]

And I will continue to do so

[dusk vessel]

Hes doing a spinoff on it

[timber flicker]

just electric chair him

[formal mountain]

Whip thingy

[scenic depot]

skin go bye bye

[timber flicker]

the ball on a wire thingy?

[sick yoke]

To be fair that’s just jank and not an issue with gamma design I think

[timber flicker]

flail?

[lethal steeple]

remove skin

[formal mountain]

Idc even, it's funny to Just know about it

[marsh bridge]

https://medal.tv/games/stalker-anomaly/clips/lODiVNT4ttil992Bw?invite=cr-MSxGZWMsNDI4NjQyNTQ2&v=30

[hasty goblet]

No flaying is like separating the layers of flesh with a blade

[dusk vessel]

In cs2 gut shots do 125% damage

[formal mountain]

As long as gamma is fun

[dusk vessel]

What fucking notes bro

[grave pivot]

I see

[timber flicker]

ahhhhhh

[hasty sun]

Oh my Remington might finally be done for

[inland totem]

what in the fucking is this?

[scenic depot]

notes app, check yo phone

[sick yoke]

Oh right

[formal mountain]

Secret blue screen of death

[scenic depot]

epstein file

[dusk vessel]

always the people who know the least yapping the most

[timber flicker]

LMAO

brother is gonna go crazy looking for the notes that dont exist lmao

[steep elm]

is he asking what an SKS is

[lethal steeple]

same notes makes us laugh, makes us cry

[sick yoke]

Does the r700 still have its integrated scope only or does it get scope compatibility

[timber flicker]

serial killer silencer?

[grave pivot]

Your tip works

[steep elm]

Serious Kills Sussy

[grave pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-hl3-half-life-3-hopium-hope-gif-7246120153840726923

[timber flicker]

chope

[lethal steeple]

based double poster

[steep elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848792745736142849/1443318802828755096/Fortnite.gif

[hasty goblet]

Integrated, you can't change it. (Why would you tho?)

[hasty sun]

https://tenor.com/view/fentnesday-gif-9363009065696255998

[sick yoke]

Ah ok

[timber flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-meme-gif-16600799326842403384

[sick yoke]

The dvl still has a reason to exist

Vaguely

[dusk vessel]

is that the bolt action 308

[marsh bridge]

im so ready

[dusk vessel]

without any scope

[sick yoke]

The d tier green one yes

[dusk vessel]

i dont think ive ever used that one

[sick yoke]

It’s kind of pointless anyway

[dusk vessel]

it is

[scenic depot]

Gun

[steep elm]

I really, really, really wish the magfed snipers (mostly bolt-actions?) had better reloading animations. I feel like I'm watching a geriatric patient reload when I watch 'em.

[timber flicker]

past midgame bolts are gea

[dusk vessel]

kar98 with 7.62x39 swap is okay

sin gun

[scenic depot]

CQB bolt action

[lethal steeple]

it's funny because the r700 and the dvl use the 106 animation set

[scenic depot]

I need the lowest muzzle velocity you have sir

[lethal steeple]

if you pay attention you'll notice it doesn't fit the model

[dusk vessel]

another thing with bolt actions

[timber flicker]

i would reload like one too if i had a chimera running towards me

[dusk vessel]

you can increase the rpm

but the animation stays the same

[steep elm]

it's the same reload animation for the Scout and K98 Forester as well, no?

[dusk vessel]

so you cant even take advantige of a fast rpm bolt action because the character takes so long to scope back in

[timber flicker]

have u heard about noscope?

[formal mountain]

The spas and benelli reload has different timing after the third shell goes in for some reason

[marsh bridge]

this is why you use mosin and only mosin

[sick yoke]

The 20rnd r700 uses the reload animation of a 2rnd shotgun

Surely there is no clipping

[steep elm]

I love the Mosin, but I also don't like how you reload the entire clip if you only fire one bullet

[marsh bridge]

mosin is mosin

[scenic depot]

really needs bullet counted reload