💣tarkov-released

[stark torrent]

Unheard Dog down

nice name

[vivid dawn]

lol

[spring fable]

lvl 1?

ah nvm im stupid

[next reef]

holy fuck that loot

I remember SPT had mods for extra weapon attachments and stuff, is that still a thing?

[stark torrent]

We are going back as the guy i killed

[winged mica]

Indeed

[stark torrent]

We are going to do a better job

[winged mica]

Is the ballistic mask good

It does take fucking forever to unlock tho

[stark torrent]

The skull mask? Not rly

[winged mica]

The smooth one

[stark torrent]

The CQCM Gimp mask , yes

Yeah

better than a helmet

both are class 4 but at least that one protects face

if it's to stop a shot let it be in the face

Skull Mask is ok i guess because it has high ricochet chance

[wintry ridge]

any spt modders? how easy is it to make recolors of armor n stuff

i wanna try making one of the division hunter masks for that chinese ballistic mask

[winged mica]

If you know texture tools and stuff

Its pretty easy

But if you dont then its gonna be a struggle

[wintry ridge]

[winged mica]

And also require Unity technical skill

I tried modding Unturned and its a bitch to do

[wintry ridge]

i got time

[rich venture]

What's the best way to improve tracking and aiming in tarkov

[wintry ridge]

player or bot

[rich venture]

Wdym

[wintry ridge]

like ur aiming or bot's aiming

[rich venture]

Mine

[stark torrent]

Shoot stuff

[wintry ridge]

just do aimtrainers bro

[rich venture]

So I don't miss ez shots or fumble kills and shit

[wintry ridge]

theres not much else to do

its boring as fuck but just play some good music and do it like 20 mins whenever you can

[rich venture]

Alr

Sounds good thanks bro

[wintry ridge]

aim training is so vital but its so damn boring

even the good paid ones are all just tracking dots

finding a good sensitivity is also pretty vital

[winged mica]

no way a Klin is 40k

[edgy juniper]

it aint vital at all 😭

[fervent yew]

you mean you didnt spend your teens trying to make it professionally in cybersports???

[winged mica]

Kedr*

[wintry ridge]

bro when ur like me and you whiff a headshot on a standing target

its vital

[crystal musk]

Are we discussing the importance of low FOV and low sensitivity in first person shooting?

[dapper grotto]

[wintry ridge]

no

just sensitivity

user preference

[crystal musk]

mmm.. not really tho

[next reef]

I can imagine low FOV helping cause targets take up more screen space

[crystal musk]

I'd say you need to move your mouse 20cm for a full 360 turn to have consistency with your aim as a minimum

[next reef]

But also vomit

[crystal musk]

if you ever watch lvndmark you're probably used to low fov since the dude uses 59 or something

[next reef]

I was taught that if you can do a full 360 at all usinh the full length ofyour mousemat its too high

Apparantly I had a stroke whilst typing that

[crystal musk]

you should be able to do a 180 turn in either direction otherwise you won't be able to react if someone sneaks up behind you

[terse pecan]

low sens has always been better for me on aim

unless we're talking a game like r6

or cs

[next reef]

I hate low FOV. 90 is the minimum for me

[stark torrent]

GZ coming tommorow might be a big leap of faith

[crystal musk]

and yeah in games like cs where you basically always know where the enemy will pop up from you can go super low on sensitivity

[stark torrent]

That game didnt look ready tbf

[terse pecan]

in valorant lower sens better aim

[junior inlet]

How the fuck can anyone use an FOV that low

[crystal musk]

Tarkov uses vertical FOV. 59 vertical would be equivalent to 90 horizontal on a 16:9 display

[terse pecan]

i've seen people who do workouts to turn their mouse that play valorant

do workouts while turning their mouse

[crystal musk]

e-sports grindset

[terse pecan]

that's better

mf plays at 0,500 sens

[hushed elk]

[next reef]

Cant wait to be done with Ground Zero as I have no clue where anything is

[terse pecan]

man i hate ground zero

[next reef]

It seems alright.

[terse pecan]

ground zero got me running kits like this

[wanton yarrow]

useless addition

[frozen olive]

GZ is factory (long)

[terse pecan]

the spawns are just ridicilous

[next reef]

Fun how GZ is both Grey Zone and Ground zero. Hehehehehhehehe

[hushed elk]

GZ can be harsh ye

[long reef]

lol. did the team size go up to aaa level?

[hushed elk]

but its rather easy to move around

[terse pecan]

about this btw

like xantares for example

he has game sense

he has crosshair placement

that makes him really great

[junior inlet]

Main reason I loathe it, there's just way too many people for that map

[terse pecan]

12 for a map that small is just crazy

should be 6

or even 5

[crystal musk]

yepp 100% if you already know where to place your crosshair having super low sensitivity will just make tit that much easier to make microadjustments

[wintry ridge]

factory streets

[long reef]

tarkov is using unity? man. imagine how much easier it'd have been on the devs if they went ue4 for 5% instead of the flat fee for unity. i guess they were the first so it would've been hard to justify the expense, however they are avoiding the 20-30% from steam by distributing the game themselves

[junior inlet]

Funnily enough

Probably would be harder

[crystal musk]

you should buy unasked edition to fund their next epic game (which will surely be in UE 5.4 )

[terse pecan]

easier for them

to develop games

i mean models

maps

sure

but harder for audio

and us

[junior inlet]

Not with their skill level

[long reef]

in the short term maybe
but in the long run i heard too many issues with unity involving things like updates and performance challenges

to be fair what they did with unity. i believe it's the best of any unity game

[terse pecan]

their company runs like a really small indie one

[junior inlet]

Then you need to experience more unity games ngl

[terse pecan]

i wish they set their prices that way too

[junior inlet]

I've had this discussion before. Unity gets a far worse rep than it deserves due to how much trash filters out of it

[next reef]

Yeah Unity isn't the complete trash that everyone seems to think it is.

[junior inlet]

Blaming the engine only goes so far when you have shit coming out of it that are pretty well designed

[frozen olive]

Ah you see

Godot

The most based engine for the most Vostok Based devs

[next reef]

Well Godot is the gentleman's choice.

[hallow stream]

i dont know but the game was easier to run 8 years ago than it is now

[spring fable]

Ngl, looking forward to taking that baby out for a spin

[next reef]

Reminder that Godot rhymes with Robot.

[long reef]

you're right. i'm basing my view on a handfull of games. i only created 2d games and tried that with ue4, ngl ue4 is was not made for 2d back when tarkov first started.
i dunno. unity for a 3d game just sounds odd to me today. 10 years ago it wasn't though. i think rust was unity as well... oh yea rust used unity and a rust dev recently told unity to "get fucked"

[crystal musk]

I don't hate unity. One of my favorite games runs in unity pretty nicely

[next reef]

Tarkov?

[crystal musk]

Daggerfall Unity (remake of a game from 1992 or smthn)

[junior inlet]

Ever played Risk of Rain 2?

[long reef]

not yet

[long reef]

the long dark is what i remember the most. they were vocal about the issues with updating unity

[next reef]

I like to think Daggerfall isnt as underground as you think it is.

Crusty old gamers rise up

[crystal musk]

now Iedy bans us for talking off-topic

[junior inlet]

It's pretty good, and it's unity aswell

[next reef]

It was a small segue

[crystal musk]

hopefully

[long reef]

nothing wrong with it. this is like a guess on what engine is better for devs when creating 3d games 10 years ago and who had a better experience, unity or ue4. it's a hard thing to answer

[junior inlet]

Tarkov's main issue is likely that it has years of old code probably sitting around making things difficult for anything to get done

[vivid dawn]

@frozen olive i will enjoy this silly CoD game til SPT updates xD

[next reef]

And its secondary issue is an atrocious anticheat

Tertiary issue is absolutely wildin' devs

[long reef]

did the devs ever say that. you're the 2nd person to say something like that

[terse pecan]

also incompetency and devs with no experience

[junior inlet]

And the wraps right back into bad code preventing battleye from getting a good look at things

[stark torrent]

nikita literally said it in the pestily interview

he said they are always fighting the old code from alpha

[next reef]

I imagine tarkovs code is filled with comments like //Блуты!

[long reef]

thanks

[junior inlet]

Not saying battleye is good, just that it's getting no help from the devs

[stark torrent]

i love Woods event

[terse pecan]

yeah battleye might not be good

[crystal musk]

what is this loadout based on

[terse pecan]

since there is also a lot of hackers in r6 rn

[long reef]

any other company like ea or activision would have a death cam. that's one of the criticisms about the cheating.

[terse pecan]

like one of the biggest youtubers that suck the dick of ubisoft came out and said

don't play ranked the cheating situation is bad

[next reef]

Ооф thats no good

[stark torrent]

it's based on Huge Cock Unkillable Chad build

JK i will get head neck by a scav soon

[junior inlet]

Also this is a tale as old as time in game dev that lasts for an extended period of time. At some point old code gets in the way

It's why feature creep is so deadly

[next reef]

Has torso and stomach health always been 120?

Or is that a Realism mod thing

Or a new default tarkov thing?

[junior inlet]

And the fact that (Now this one isn't something i'm 100% is true) I've heard the salary numbers they've put out in hiring has been very subpar under the market for the type of devs they're looking for.

[junior inlet]

Realism

[next reef]

Oh okay. I might reduce it down to 100 then. To balance my meatier limbs

[junior inlet]

Default game is 85/70

[winged mica]

Tarkov code is very spaghetti tbh

[junior inlet]

I'd keep it up.

Ammo hurts more in realism

[long reef]

and you can't throw more people at the issue. because you have diminishing returns.
and the bigger you make the company, the harder the game is to make unless it's managed perfectly, that's why i'm curious about the num of devs
every company has these challenges.

this is also why i don't believe in early access or whatever tarkov is. i buy a game for what it is now. i deserve some time to kick the tires and refuse the transaction if it doesn't work for me. you could play the game a few years ago and waith for launch atn it be completely different at launch and you might not like that

[winged mica]

Ammo in Tarkov is just BB

[terse pecan]

also you might want to disable the healing system of realism

[winged mica]

Like 90% of Tarkov ammo

[terse pecan]

if you want to heal your torso

[winged mica]

Are BB

[terse pecan]

you gotta drop your armor

your rig

then heal

[junior inlet]

I'm glad everyone dislikes that healing system

[next reef]

I disabled that shit. Fuck that.

[terse pecan]

because

yeah people want realism

but not that hardcore

where i need to be defenless

for the time that i heal

[junior inlet]

Klean keeps some of it, but fuck that cock and ball torture

It's unnecessary realism

[next reef]

Tarkovs hard enough without that shit

[terse pecan]

like if i want a actual hardcore experience

i would turn it on

but i'm not a masochist

and i want to have fun

[next reef]

I'll see how far I get using default SAIN difficulty this time. I played on easier last patch.

[terse pecan]

that's why i play spt

[junior inlet]

Also its funny that any time you talk about betas there's a game you don't expect that can be brought up in the conversation

[terse pecan]

if you suffer fps drops

don't lower your graphics

because graphics don't do much

npc actions are what lowers your fps

[next reef]

Its all Sains CPU use yeah

[junior inlet]

sain or donuts

one of the two

[frozen olive]

You can disbale anything of yhe hud

[next reef]

I played til I dunno, labs quests probably. Got pretty far in my last SPT adventure

[terse pecan]

how about both

[junior inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[frozen olive]

You use both

[next reef]

And then something happened and I rage uninstalled. Maybe I borked it with a tarkov patch or something.

[frozen olive]

Donuts+Swag is easier than better spanws

To setup

And comp wise

Algo level progression is bait

[terse pecan]

why would you download any other level progression mod

when you have realism

if you meant

i get high level pmcs in my game

even tho i'm low level

that's because of the chad option

the chad bots are way higher level

[next reef]

I'd like to encounter some high level PMCs to speed up progression I think

I'll configure Donuts at some point.

[frozen olive]

Realism is omcopt w a lot of things

Just dont add algo

And they spawn nornally

[next reef]

I enjoy Starting PMCs spawns

[winged mica]

Idk if I am the one to play SPT and use no Scav

Like just strictly PMC run

[wooden chasm]

It’s common in normal Tarkov

but yes

[frozen olive]

Lmaoo

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/how-escape-from-tarkov-wiped-out-years-of-goodwill-in-one-catastrophic-week/

The headline

[dapper grotto]

[terse pecan]

they made it featured

omg

[wooden chasm]

Zased

[dapper grotto]

[earnest timber]

"A brutal survival-focused battle royale, Tarkov's special sauce is the mix of scarcity, danger, and rare opportunity. It's a game where finding a particular medicine can make half-a-dozen failed runs feel worthwhile, where a door key is worth its weight in gold, and where you'll go through long stretches of poverty, slowly building up your stash and eking everything you can out of sub-optimal loadouts. It's a shooter, sure, but a shooter where every single item matters a whole lot more than in any other game."

BROTHER WHAT

[frozen olive]

it's PC Gamer

it's clwonish

[dapper grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-kekwrgb-gif-19278361

gaming "journalist" moment

[wintry ridge]

battle royale

kill this man

[crystal musk]

every day someone reinforces my lifestyle of never clicking on internet articles

[wintry ridge]

i think the rest is fine but that first sentence is kinda regarded

yeah finding a salewa can be something that takes like 4 raids

yes keys are expensive

[earnest timber]

Finding stuff in Tarkov is NOT THAT HARD

[wintry ridge]

thats what the article misses

"everything matters"

no it dont

[earnest timber]

But DayZ

[wintry ridge]

only like 3 items have value

[earnest timber]

DAYZ HAS ACTUAL SCARCITY

ACTUAL SENSE OF DANGER

[wintry ridge]

well thats because dayz has a limited number of items in an area at a time until the spawns refresh

tarkov you can just extract and run back in

any number of times

[earnest timber]

placeholder by the way

[wintry ridge]

guys... when wipes are gone they will fix economy

:copium:

[fervent yew]

quote "someone has already found an exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea in PvP"

is that true tho?

[wintry ridge]

prolly not

only source is

one dude on twitter

[fervent yew]

ah, okay

[wintry ridge]

and someone trying to get bsg to roll back update by using it as blackmail or whatever

[earnest timber]

The only compromise they can make is make every raid on every map persistend and connect them together like its a stalker game

[wintry ridge]

even tho if they wanted a rollback on the expansion they'd just leak it

to stop people from buying it in the first place

why wait to ruin the bsg pve coop when you can just do it now and make people not want to buy the edition

[earnest timber]

why not just literally take a peep into the SPT codebase

[wintry ridge]

tarkov could legit fix like

[earnest timber]

get actual AI PMC that roams around the entire map and extract

[wintry ridge]

99% of their issues by getting spt devs to work remotely with actual devs

i get they dont want to leak their codebase or whatever

[earnest timber]

or outsource

[wintry ridge]

but it just sucks how blind and deaf they are to spt

[earnest timber]

Russians

[wintry ridge]

even fucking bethesda outsources to modders

[earnest timber]

Nikita is modern day stalin

silencing anyone who critisize them

[wintry ridge]

creation club stuff that gets ported into the base game with anniversary patches

"250$ pve mode? not great, not terrible"

[earnest timber]

I'd have paid good premium money if they actually ported over some of the SPT mods

BUT NYET

OUR GAME OUR RULES

[wintry ridge]

not even that

just make like

a modding competition

best mod gets added to the game

modder compensated like 3k or something

since they'll give 3k per person to arena tourny winners

name in the game item too or something

[earnest timber]

Nikita needs to swallow his pride first

which will never happen

[spring fable]

aaaaa

[obtuse viper]

floppa

[wintry ridge]

nikitia needs to swallow some quiet pills and let someone else takeover the project

[earnest timber]

classic

[obtuse viper]

is spt even good

[wintry ridge]

yeah

its not for everyone tho

even with all the ai mods bots are still kinda stupid

but that just depends on ur settings really

you could make em all have timmy aim but raider AI so they just right hand peek you and jump check you

[vivid dawn]

or chad ai that just rushes you with OP gear

or Rat ai that waits for you to loot

[wintry ridge]

it scratches that modding itch too

like spending hours modding skyrim to play it for like 20 mins

[obtuse viper]

is there any way i can pirate the files of eft and play for free

[wintry ridge]

no

[brittle sinew]

So just like

[wintry ridge]

just buy the stock 45$ edition

[brittle sinew]

the actual game

[wintry ridge]

its the only way that spt avoids getting dmca'd

[obtuse viper]

i might just get an acocunt of g2g

[vivid dawn]

yeah except their smarter than actual players lol

[next reef]

Well they'll keep trying

[wintry ridge]

as long as you have a legit live account spt should work

[brittle sinew]

their smarter

You are one of em

[frozen olive]

101 getting banned lol

[brittle sinew]

I'm sure it'll work with a pirated version

[brittle sinew]

They can't even detect cheats

[wintry ridge]

[brittle sinew]

Let alone detect a pirated game

[wintry ridge]

the spt launcher does

[frozen olive]

see uh

[wintry ridge]

idk man

[frozen olive]

piracy talk is not allowed here

so don't let Iedy see you

or Grok

[obtuse viper]

do region specific accounts matter

[vivid dawn]

they can lol

they just dont want to

[brittle sinew]

Piracy is morally correct, but sure I'll stop yapping about it

[frozen olive]

I'm not even talking morally

it's in the rules lmfao

[vivid dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZFg2QQlomM&ab_channel=VeryBadSCAV

here he talks about "more cheaters,more money"

[brittle sinew]

Yeah that's why I'll stop the yap dw

[next reef]

First stop: Reserve. Time to speed up progression

[soft coral]

oh no

grayzone about to pull another battlesate

[vivid dawn]

Moraly its never right cause your hurting the devs and not the greedy publishers lol

[vivid dawn]

ANOTHER ONE ?

[brittle sinew]

Why?

[soft coral]

Why they get the same editions

wtf

[brittle sinew]

If you pirate from an indie game studio, you're a scumbag

If you pirate from a massive game? Go for it

It's like shoplifting (don't shoplift, it's not worth the risk)

[frozen olive]

they don't have prices up yet

I wanna see lmao

[brittle sinew]

The prices better be good istg

I will still wait like a month before even considering buying the game

[soft coral]

torenting

[wintry ridge]

rimworld

@frozen olive do you think anyone's gonna make an m249 mod for spt before bsg kills itself

[hallow stream]

[frozen olive]

they're doing the upgrade pricing too

[hallow stream]

BRO THE FACT THAT TENCENT IS THE LAST HOPE FOR EXTRACTION SHOOTERS

YO IMAGINE

[frozen olive]

Probs, there was an old ver

[vivid dawn]

ok seen that yesterday

So it aint new

[soft coral]

But ye

[vivid dawn]

(for me)

[hallow stream]

they saw tarkov got fucking nuked by their own fans

[soft coral]

bsg did the damage

[hallow stream]

and saw the opportunity to cash in

[soft coral]

you're not patching up with bandages and salewa this time

[hallow stream]

so they are doing this shit to make most money possible probably

[wintry ridge]

i saw someone had like

[hallow stream]

I think grayzone wouldve been priced at exactly 25-30 bucks

[dapper grotto]

never let a good crisis go to waste

[hallow stream]

if tarkov didnt get nuked

too bad

[wintry ridge]

a completely untextured half of an m249 in one of their mod projects traders

so maybe in the future

[hallow stream]

greed kills - darkest dungeon quote (its not I just said darkest dungeon quote cause the games cool)

I think gzw might kill itself before it gets to the point of being as 'good' as tarkov just cause they are greeding very hard

[frozen olive]

did GZ have the ingame store yet?

cause I don't see the point of the 25k dollaridoos

[hallow stream]

thats next test

[wintry ridge]

it does

in the alpha streamer one it did no?

25k is like 5 starter quests or something

[frozen olive]

Lol

so it's like Tark

bigger stash, more starting gear

and a looser asshole

SPGZ

[wintry ridge]

3x3 loose for only 130$

[frozen olive]

10'0 dollar/euro

with tax

[hallow stream]

the fact that arena breakout has a potential of lasting longer than GZW

a tencent game lasting longer

[frozen olive]

Mind you I would say if the game lives (GZW) you can just buy shit on sale

[hallow stream]

in a dying genre

[winged mica]

Damn

[wintry ridge]

like all games, just wait for gzw to like

come out into alpha

before pre ordering this shit

[winged mica]

Tbh the only thing supporter edition should give is unique cosmetic

Instead of actual in game advantages

[wintry ridge]

theres nothing worse than supporting an early access game before you can even play it

[winged mica]

Well

[hallow stream]

thats true

[frozen olive]

Yeah that's what I mean lol

[winged mica]

Atleast better than Payday3

[frozen olive]

if it lives (6 months+)

[winged mica]

They release expensive DLC while the game is in a hot mess

[frozen olive]

PvP games cannibalize constantly

[hallow stream]

and a early access game on steam, where early access is just another word for "no 1.0 any time soon"

[wintry ridge]

gzw doesnt have any real competition other than tarkov

[hallow stream]

it won't kosm

[wintry ridge]

that mobile port to pc seems kinda shoddy

[hallow stream]

the finals was supposed to be big

like a quatter of a mil players played for 3 weeks

then the games now at like 20k

i think

[wintry ridge]

bogdan idk if you see but like

gzw isnt some arena pvp game

its got a reason to play for longer than 3 weeks

endgame content

[hallow stream]

yea it has a lesser chance to live because its a extraction shooter

a less popular genre

[wintry ridge]

???

[hushed elk]

bogdan

what are you on

[brittle sinew]

L take from Bogdan

Once again

[hushed elk]

extraction shooters are the most popular shooter genre

[wintry ridge]

bogdan is on the "hate popular game" train

[hallow stream]

Im not but like

[wintry ridge]

before its even out no less

just wait for it to release before you shit on it

[hallow stream]

fair

[wintry ridge]

for all of us man

[frozen olive]

Yeah but the issue is how it handles it imo

if it's like

performance bad

server issues?

it'll die fast

[hallow stream]

thats true

[frozen olive]

If it handles better than tarky

[wintry ridge]

gzw has better performance than tarkov judging by the streams

even on max with like

[frozen olive]

and it doesn't shit the bed

[wintry ridge]

a 4070

[stark torrent]

8 more kills until Mjolnir

[frozen olive]

it'll probably eat their entire playerbase

[wintry ridge]

it still was hitting 150 unscoped

[stark torrent]

[wintry ridge]

on multiple streams

im sure if you're on a 30 series you can play high settings just fine

[hallow stream]

I mean that is because its a very early test no

theres not much in the game

[wintry ridge]

its alot more optimized than tarkov

[hallow stream]

in the very 1st test

[wintry ridge]

most of the stuff looked pretty fleshed out

[brittle sinew]

I'd love to see player numbers before and after GZW drops

[wintry ridge]

a lot of players and AI in the same area and it still looked pretty good on stream

[stark torrent]

memememememe i have 4070 memememememme

overpriced gpu

[wintry ridge]

theres also less clumped together than tarkov maps so that also prolly helps

[hallow stream]

just depends on if the devs know how to optimize the video game as they add content

[junior inlet]

au contraire MINE is overpriced

[hallow stream]

BSG didn't know how to do that

[brittle sinew]

That's what I hoped Tarkov would have been when I first started playing

[hallow stream]

look at streets

horrid fps

[brittle sinew]

Like a DayZ esque thing where seeing a player is rare, but no I have to know every spawn

[wintry ridge]

what

the engine also really helps

not running on a 3 year old graphics engine with tons of spaghetti code from the alpha

[junior inlet]

I'm about to become a broken record

[wintry ridge]

do it

[hallow stream]

tarkov couldve been optimized if half the development team wasnt patrick level brain

[frozen olive]

Is it pvp pve

[junior inlet]

It's less the engine, More the team hired to do it

[frozen olive]

or does it have pve mainly mod

[hallow stream]

yea its all about

if the team has the knowledge to make optimized game

[wintry ridge]

its this

[junior inlet]

Stop acting like unity is this real piece of shit engine, it really isn't

[brittle sinew]

That people wouldn't be so clumped together

[hallow stream]

its always dev issue not engine issue

[brittle sinew]

Like the reserve bunker spawns
Or the shoreline road to customs spawns

[low iris]

One thing that confuses my brajn for spt

[winged mica]

Ppl keep saying GZW isnt Tarkov or extraction shooter but it looks exactly the same

[low iris]

Is 2 min load times

Like goddamn

[winged mica]

Just minus the item farming

[hallow stream]

its while you load all the shit in

[wintry ridge]

i mean its not really an extraction shooter

[hallow stream]

also how is it 2 mins I got 2 mins on streets

but on woods i get barely a minute and on ground zero its 30 seconds

[brittle sinew]

Because you don't have to wait for hand crank HDDs and servers

[wintry ridge]

you dont just extract from sitting in a corner you can walk ur ass back to base by foot

[winged mica]

If not Tarkov something I feels like its kinda like Hunt Showdown

[brittle sinew]

Try loading an offline raid in live tarkov, it'll also take about 2 min

[hallow stream]

people say hunt is more of a looter shooter than extraction shooter

since the punishment is very light

[radiant loom]

what

you barely loot in hunt

[hallow stream]

idk some people categorized extraction shooter as huge punishment huge reward

yea I know its kinda stupid

idk why ppl categorize it as looter shooter its just weird

[junior inlet]

Honestly always saw hunt as an objective-extraction shooter. Clearly defined goal rather than "maybe you go to just get loot or to complete something here"

[hallow stream]

I love playing hunt with my buds

like you can play whenever and you can quit whenever

you dont have to start at X time, and if you dont start at said X time the players are more geared than you

like tarkov wipes just suck

[wintry ridge]

@here questing bots updated

@winged mica

[hallow stream]

wth

those work now?

[wintry ridge]

yes

3.8 updated

[junior inlet]

Oh it went official?

[hallow stream]

can I add it to my current mods

without EVERYTHING breaking

and continue playing from lvl 5

[wintry ridge]

prolly yeah

just an AI mod

[hallow stream]

thank christ

[wintry ridge]

hell I think most mods work added mid game

i added traders

removed raid overhaul

still works fine

maybe just dont remove guns midgame without deleting them from ur inv first

[hallow stream]

mind sending it here

[wintry ridge]

no mf google it

[hallow stream]

if I cant find it ill ask you to dm me it

if you have it that is

found it

[junior inlet]

really shouldn't be that hard

It's one of the community favorite mods

[hallow stream]

finallyyyy

the page for it is still half fucked

[junior inlet]

I wonder if its the same alpha version I got

[hallow stream]

I cant wait to go get the bronze pocket watch and see a fucking battlefield of dead bodies all around the semi truck

[junior inlet]

It does far more than just have them do quests

[wintry ridge]

they wander around the map more too

just a good map

mod*

[junior inlet]

It'll give them individual goals more explicitly

rather than just "path here"

[hallow stream]

the usecs on customs might have ADHD, yesterday I peeked one as a scav and he just did a friendly wiggle before whiffing 20 shots on full auto

[fervent yew]

Spawn Rush: At the beginning of the raid, bots that are within a certain distance of you will run to your spawn point. Only a certain number of bots are allowed to perform this quest, and they won't always select it. This makes PVP-focused maps like Factory even more challenging.

oh nooooooo

[hallow stream]

wtf

thats literally terminator mode

[fervent yew]

yeah.... im gonna install tho

[junior inlet]

Trust me its worth it

Adds a lot of life to the raids

[fervent yew]

even more so??

[junior inlet]

Yes.

[wintry ridge]

just like live

omg

[next reef]

The early game hobo phase hits different after a week of gamma.

It's not fun having shit guns

[hallow stream]

hobo phase when I get rushed by a group of 10 scavs with double barrels who play like headless chickens

pew pew run away scatter!!!!!!

i should have had something to clip that it looked so funny

[fervent yew]

check this, questing bots for late may >>>

Add new quest type: blood-thirsty cheater (will be disabled by default)

[stark torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

give them a thermal and thas me

[next reef]

Realism mod is pretty fucking good so far.

I really like the decreased TTK

And the recoil. Adjustable magazine repacking is also pretty sick; nothing crazy just 25% should make the game more bearable.

[winged mica]

Ground Zero Terra building is about to be noisy

[junior inlet]

You tried the optic mod yet?

[winged mica]

Is there mod making magazine load faster

I dont need an instant load

Just slightly faster

[next reef]

canted sight is peacekeeper ll2

[wintry ridge]

yeah theres one called like

no ammo weight

[spring fable]

tarkov hobo is defined by the ammo you have
best gun will be meh with hp ammo
and even a base ass aks 74 can rip with the right ammo

[wintry ridge]

but you can turn off and on stuff in that

[next reef]

Realism mod allows ypu to adjust it

[junior inlet]

active aim moment

[wintry ridge]

and make mags load like 35% faster

[winged mica]

Nice

[next reef]

What optic mod?

[winged mica]

I remember seeing a mod that add gear level and shit

[wintry ridge]

fov fix

[winged mica]

Kinda makes it RPG ish like Division

[junior inlet]

the other one

[winged mica]

Its funny

[spring fable]

like you can just get an ak, slap a new ddustcover and a reddot on it and you're golden

[wintry ridge]

i wish there was a mod just to give me reshala's jacket and nothing else

no other boss clothes

[junior inlet]

The one that's never gonna see an update again

It just gets compatability patched

[wintry ridge]

red dot overhaul?

[junior inlet]

nono, gimme a sec i'll drop the name

[winged mica]

Wish theres a mod that add MW19 animation to guns

[wintry ridge]

anims are already alright

[junior inlet]

"ACOG4Life optic rework" but released by fontaine to work with current versions

[next reef]

Yeah they're prertt good

[winged mica]

Mod that makes everything lootable would be nice

So if you see those prop stacked crates and loot them

Itd be funny

[soft coral]

https://youtu.be/h4cXdvBRslw?si=arOZRtL1Zxs4yyKH

дамн

damn*

[junior inlet]

Oh wait its called scope and red dot overhaul, Confused if you mean SamSwat's reddot one

[soft coral]

new eroktic video

[winged mica]

I wonder if w power of modding can modder make new maps in the future

Since Tarkov so far seems very moddable

Not with BSG intention btw

[wintry ridge]

[junior inlet]

But scope and red dot overhaul by geff hannigan reupload will change your fucking life

[winged mica]

So I believe making changes to map would be possible

[wintry ridge]

you can

someone made a new map for testing and stuff but you can only console teleport in i think

cant deploy off main map

and ai spawns and sightlines are bugged

and its outdated

and a bunch of other stuff but it's good for what it is

[junior inlet]

See above message

[winged mica]

I wish someone made a Metro station mod

Itd be a maze to navigate

[fervent yew]

eroktics mic is so good he's literally in my head lmao

[winged mica]

Eroktic feels like Jynx of Tarkov

Dude is so compulsive w his tones sometimes

And so much unfiltered rage

[winged mica]

Extraction shooter is tbh literally based on how you play

You go in shoot ppl and you exit the map via extraction

While Ig yeh technically GZW is not it since you always stay in a map

One thing I saw (dont know if its fixed) in GZW is that if you are in a faction, to play w friends you have to match their faction which makes you have to recreate your character

[hallow stream]

now that sucks

[winged mica]

Yeh

[next temple]

I might try SPT

[fervent yew]

5$ character transfer lol

[winged mica]

They should allow you to temporarily match the host faction

[hallow stream]

DO IT

JOIN US

SPT

JOIN THE SPT CULT

CHAPLAIN JOIN THE SPT CULT

[next temple]

Jesus christ calm down

[winged mica]

This channel is slowly being consumed by SPT

Jesus

[hallow stream]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-one-of-us-gif-5190855855794177250

[winged mica]

Tarkov channel is filled with so much rage

And hatred and SPT

[brittle sinew]

Yeah and like a month ago and even before that people clowned on SPT so much

Crazy how y'all switched all of a sudden

[real solstice]

Spt has always been based

[low iris]

I dunno i liked it but the fighting other pmcs has always been lack luster

Even after getting the mod where they do stuff like jump shoot you

[hallow stream]

join the SPT cult we must play SPT

[low iris]

Which was cool

[hallow stream]

https://tenor.com/view/plnkfr1day-spongebob-not-shy-not-me-gif-21885461

SPTERS ASSEMBLE

[junior inlet]

Also important note about the mod is that newer scopes haven't got the treatment becuase the OP is just gone, so any scope added after 12.12.31 isn't gonna have the same quality unfortunately. However that still leaves a shitton of actually usable sights

[low iris]

But like i need actual ai to outplay me

[brittle sinew]

Which AI mods you got

[next temple]

I just checked out tarkov website

[earnest timber]

Get SAIN and its required mods

[next temple]

ARE THEY ACTUALLY FUCKING SELLING A CO-OP PRACTICE MODE FOR 10 EURO

A FUNCTION WHICH SHOULD BE IN THE BASE GAME

FOR 10 EURO

[junior inlet]

oh its far worse than that

[earnest timber]

not even offline

runs on servers

[next temple]

WAIT SO YOU FUCKING CAN GET INGAME PROGRESS WITH FRIENDS IN A PRIVATE LOBBY?

[earnest timber]

the one thats on the expansion page is not the PVE mode

[fervent yew]

THE EXPANSION HAS ALREADY BEEN PURCHASED

[soft coral]

Fk both

[next temple]

Man

I am switching to SPT

fuck this

[brittle sinew]

Brother you hate anything tarkov related

[next temple]

Arma Reforger and SPT

[brittle sinew]

I don't even need to ask you for an opinion on anything tark, I already know what you're going to say 99% of the time

[fervent yew]

what the heck is coop training mode?

[soft coral]

:)

love u too

[earnest timber]

literally coop practice mode with no progression

[hallow stream]

https://tenor.com/view/sidious-palpatine-rise-friend-sith-gif-14518906

[fervent yew]

i dont get it, but i have that expansion apparently

[earnest timber]

cause you're a fellow EOD user

[next temple]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-the-point-neil-degrasse-tyson-big-think-upset-whats-the-problem-gif-17030276

God

I feel bad for my brother now

[earnest timber]

I dunno ask modern day stalin

[next temple]

I play on his account cause he cant give a fuck to play it

[brittle sinew]

Most of the time people use it for testing shit ingame

[fervent yew]

so thsi is old news about practice mode, gotcha

i was confused coz never seen it b4

[low iris]

Sain atm

Not at my house rn so cant tell the full list but thats the only ai mod + requirements

[winged mica]

Still dont get why ppl jumped onto SPT hate train

[hallow stream]

people stopped posting the copy paste in the tarkov server

[winged mica]

Like I mean I get you guys love PvP but like if you hate SPT to the point of strangling someone just ignore it

[hallow stream]

it is a sad day today

[brittle sinew]

You gotta get more and crank the difficulty up

[winged mica]

Unless it gets their butt hurt that ppl prefer more casual experience

[brittle sinew]

Life could be dream, life could be dreaaam

Imagine if people just did not give a fuck about what other people liked

[winged mica]

Ig they just hate it since SPT is fun and ppl enjoy it

Since its always the reason

[next reef]

Someone being a little goddamned bitch about SPT in here?

[brittle sinew]

Most people hate things that don't bother them in the slightest

[next reef]

Imagine CARING dude

[winged mica]

Just in general

[brittle sinew]

Because they are sad little men with nothing better to do

[winged mica]

Exactly but ppl do be adamant about it

[next reef]

Nikita's cock still fresh on their breath probably

[winged mica]

I feel like they feel sad that most people who cant PvP go to play something so these PvP ppl cant farm KDR

[radiant loom]

you're gnna need every recommended mod with sain

[winged mica]

So they have to face Chad they cant fight

[next reef]

Imagine having a job and a relationship

[brittle sinew]

Dude

[low iris]

Yeah i do got those

[brittle sinew]

It's literally not that deep

It literally isn't, most of the time people just hating because they don't have anything better to do

[hallow stream]

real tarkov players couldnt relate

[low iris]

Im not retarded guys i know it may look like it

[winged mica]

For some reasons most Youtuber fight Tarkov players who stand still or being braindead

And when I fought a level 6 Pmc They pulled the most cracked manuever ever

[brittle sinew]

You needing to tell us says otherwise

[radiant loom]

how does this game even run this bad, devs really goofed up on the optimization

[next reef]

it is beyond fucked isnt it

[fervent yew]

Is looting bots not supposed to show up in server and launcher?

[low iris]

Pmcs walk through barbed wite lol

[winged mica]

Street is always bad in term of optimization

[radiant loom]

worse than gamma

[hallow stream]

There has to be SOME mod on the SPT site that fixes tarkovs HORRIBLE optimization

that isnt amands ofc

[vivid dawn]

Yep

[radiant loom]

the whole game is terrible in terms of optimization

[hallow stream]

like completely fixes it

[fervent yew]

thx ❤️

[brittle sinew]

It's unity

It'll never be fixed my friend

[vivid dawn]

Cause its in SAIN implemented

[next reef]

Oh fucking heaps worse than gamma. It defaults to shit settings on first launch

[hallow stream]

its not

[winged mica]

Unless its a mod in user folder it wont show up

[fervent yew]

[vivid dawn]

You see the option when you press F6

[winged mica]

Wrong pinged

[low iris]

Ermm what

[fervent yew]

You're right, i rmeember now

[hallow stream]

Its the main code for tarkov at fault pedro, it isnt unity

[brittle sinew]

Most unity games have ass optimization

It's how unity be

[hallow stream]

theres better looking games than tarkov that require less specs

its the version of unity tarkov is on

its old

[brittle sinew]

Paired with russian coding, recipe for disaster

[hallow stream]

and unstable

[brittle sinew]

Exactly

[vivid dawn]

Not really

Its just like eith UE

[brittle sinew]

Modern unity is fine, BSG is just BSG is all

[winged mica]

Unity games w terrible optimization so far for me are 7 days to die and Tarkov

But atleast they run better than some UE games

[hallow stream]

we need a mod that like shifts tarkov to a newer more stable unity version and I think theres gonna be a 50% performance incrase

[vivid dawn]

If dev incompetent game runs like shit

[winged mica]

Or they cut a lot of corner in quality control like BSG does

[radiant loom]

[brittle sinew]

Yeah just get modders to shift the unity version lmao

[winged mica]

So the shit called Unheard Edition came out

[radiant loom]

fucking ark ascended runs better than this

[next reef]

Dude maybe it was SPTa performance that made me drop it

[junior inlet]

This is gonna be the thrid fucking time today I say this isn't it

[winged mica]

SPT does have worse performance

[radiant loom]

bots.

[winged mica]

Mainly since you are running 2 program at once

Bots too yeh

[brittle sinew]

Game is CPU & RAM intensive too

[radiant loom]

the default bots spawn is too high when using sain and the recommended mods.

you can tune it in advanced options

[winged mica]

And you host the same server on the same PC

[next reef]

Whats your setting at prime

[brittle sinew]

It's like Arma, it runs really good without bots

[winged mica]

So it does take CPU to operate server

[winged mica]

ARMA 3 is straight up dog shit in term of performance

[radiant loom]

basic settings, 7800x3d and 32 gigs of ddr5 ain't gnna save me

[winged mica]

Even w the best PC its still laggy

[brittle sinew]

Yep, soon as you do anything it goes to shit

[winged mica]

They fixed the optimization in Reforger

[next reef]

Arma 3 is fucked too

[hushed elk]

[winged mica]

But ARMA 3 is fucked

[brittle sinew]

But load up editor on a big ass map? Runs fine

[hushed elk]

you guys laggin in spt?

[brittle sinew]

They better fix that game soon

[winged mica]

Only after like 6 rounds

I have to turn off and reopen

[next reef]

Also there literally zero single player mods I enjoy any more in arma 3

[hushed elk]

[radiant loom]

i can run arma 3 at max settings at 90-130 fps

[next reef]

Direct Action was alright for a while

[radiant loom]

spt is just built different

[winged mica]

SPT has this problem with memory leakage

[brittle sinew]

How does RHS KoTH run for you though

[winged mica]

They seem to forget to delete some unused Data

[brittle sinew]

A real Arma performance test

[winged mica]

So the more rounds you play the more trash stacked up

[next reef]

It runs fine cause no bots

[radiant loom]

same fps most of the time

[brittle sinew]

Yeah no you guys are lying what the fuck

[winged mica]

ARMA 3 is a game for pure unfiltered war crime

[next reef]

The minute you fire up like 20vs20 dudes in arma the performance TANKS

[hushed elk]

[radiant loom]

yeah memory leakage is horrific

[next reef]

AI dudes I mean

[brittle sinew]

64 player multiplayer can't run "same fps"

[hushed elk]

need to test something
what map is this ?

[radiant loom]

streets

[winged mica]

SPT you need to restart it after a while

[next reef]

Streetd

[winged mica]

If not the lag is unbearable

[hushed elk]

ok let me load it in and see

[winged mica]

I couldnt even run Woods one day and I had to reset it

[brittle sinew]

I thought it was a space program sim

[next reef]

Man I'm just not ebjoying SPT this time round

[soft coral]

1.0 ready btw

[low iris]

Arma is surprisingly easy to run

[next reef]

Maybe cause I just started.

[radiant loom]

[winged mica]

Arma 2 is even worse ngl

[brittle sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/arma3-tank-glitch-flying-physics-gif-17908877

[winged mica]

For some reasons its very badly run

[low iris]

All you need if you dont like you view distance is install a mod that lets you quickly change your view distance

[low iris]

Probably because its supposed to run on software that isnt used anymore

[radiant loom]

look at all that fov

[next reef]

I'm gonna fire up streets to torture my poor PC

[winged mica]

But tbh one of the reasons why Arma 3 ran so bad

[brittle sinew]

"For some reasons" It's from 2009 bro

[winged mica]

Could maybe 200GB of mods contributed to it

[brittle sinew]

Nah

It's fine

[winged mica]

I love how ppl already added Unheard stuff to SPT

Pretty craY

Crazy*

[next reef]

I also love that. Get fucked BSG

[winged mica]

Melee in Tarkov needs overhaul ngl

[next reef]

Lets be real even selling EOD is a shit practice

[winged mica]

Tru

But the fact that they promised it and went against it

Is even worse sportsmanship

[next reef]

We should have seen this shit coming a mile off

[winged mica]

We all got played like a damn fiddle

But from now on

I dont think ppl trust anything BSG said anymore

Unless you cant read

Or didnt finish elementary school

[next reef]

Star Citizen is starting to look like a fucking normal game with all these other companies following suit.

3 minutes and streets hasnt loaded yet

Teehee?

[hushed elk]

on ultra streets do bench my pc

[winged mica]

The PC is screaming for help

Begging to be put down

But you keep on going

Again again again and again

[radiant loom]

i'm playing on 1440p, increasing settings is the only way i get more fps on this game

[hushed elk]

i mean i dont play on ultra

wanted to see how bad it gets

[winged mica]

Its funny my PC can run RDR2 Max Set

And its a 2019 PC

[next reef]

5 minutes streets load

[winged mica]

But Minecraft Shader? Nah thats too much

[next reef]

Gonna keep updating til its fucking loaded sorry boys.

This is like the Live experience.

[winged mica]

If Nikita remove like 85% of the small item clutters that u cant pick up the load would be like 45 seconds

[next reef]

Has SPT's performance tanked?

[hushed elk]

funny enough it takes me around 40 secs to load streats on ultra

[radiant loom]

i get 130+ fps on max settings in rdr2

looks much better than tarkov

[hushed elk]

what unoptimized textures does to a game

[radiant loom]

nikita doesn't even compress the game properly

you can reduce the size to 20 gigs

[brittle sinew]

God bless rockstar for making RDR2 so well optimized

I run that game on high textures with a 1060 and it runs good

[winged mica]

To optimize a game BSG needs feedback

To have feeback they need to hear the community

[radiant loom]

well they didn't go hardcore on lighting and textures

[winged mica]

Sadly they did none of those

[hushed elk]

[fervent yew]

k

[winged mica]

Texture in Tarkov looks very pixelated even at max set ngl

[winged mica]

What dude shot u with

[fervent yew]

automatic

thats all i know

[winged mica]

Damn

[fervent yew]

50m full spray

[winged mica]

I do hate being killed by Automatic

Such an overpowered gun

[fervent yew]

i dont know dude, im literally lvl 5

[brittle sinew]

The entire game looks grainy and pixelated to me, what's up with that?

[hushed elk]

did you turn on FSR?

[winged mica]

Guess u have to turn off noise

Idk why its there

[brittle sinew]

Even without FSR it looks like that

Even without noise it looks like that

I swear to god Tarkov is the only game where I see a broken box at a distance and it looks like a dude crouching

Because suddenly the box is black and pixelated

[hushed elk]

store bought assets be like that

[wintry ridge]

nope

i got like 40 mods and its still good

[radiant loom]

looks like i'm running spt at max settings now

and barely an fps increase or decrease

[brittle sinew]

@hushed elk Exhibit A:

[wintry ridge]

its because of the dogshit rendering

it renders shadows before the object

so you just get the freaky shadow without the actual rest of the box

[brittle sinew]

The box is still rendered in

[wintry ridge]

[brittle sinew]

The game is just freaked

[brittle sinew]

I swear to god, only in tarkov

I play stalker, no mirage
I play arma, no mirage
I play tarkov, every bush and box looks like a dude crouching at a distance

Even in dayz it doesn't look like that

[summer obsidian]

As does every other game engine, a z-depth pass is pretty standard stuff for any engine post 2002

[brittle sinew]

It has to be some weird thing with tarkov lighting and graphics

[wintry ridge]

it just feels worse in tarkov

because every shadow feels like a fucking lightsucking blackhole

clear skies out and a random shadow from a tree is darker than indoors

[summer obsidian]

It's a combination of the BRDF and ambient lighting really. Plus the fog compositing on top just washes everything

[wintry ridge]

something something hdr

[summer obsidian]

There's probably no skybox recapture since it's a dynamic time of day thing, so they opted for a simple gradient or simple color for the ambient lighting

HDR has nothing to do, the whole lighting pipeline is done in SDR and is pre-gamma tonemaping

[wintry ridge]

[brittle sinew]

Combined with the grainy graphics and THE FOG, no wonder new players have such a hard time spotting people

[summer obsidian]

Unity has just been always tragic at making ambient lighting split from interior/exterior, even more so with a dynamic time of day.

Either you make everything darker so interiors look dark and properly occluded from the sky or you make everything bright and interiors look washed out and unlit almost

[wintry ridge]

wait gzw is tomorrow????

[real solstice]

It almost like unity bad

[wintry ridge]

[brittle sinew]

Imagine a world where BSG didn't go full sunk cost fallacy with Unity

[next reef]

Highest FPS I saw was 40

[brittle sinew]

Yes, it's out tomorrow

[wintry ridge]

you know what else is out tomorrow

wait nvm

[summer obsidian]

Nah, even Unreal struggles with the very same problem. There's no silver bullet unless you go with a full dynamic GI solution.

[wintry ridge]

abiotic factor is the 2nd

[brittle sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gus-fring-gustavo-fring-gustavo-breaking-bad-gif-22140110

[next reef]

holy fuck why did I reinstall SPT

[wintry ridge]

it would be a lie if I said it

[next reef]

I wish I had come in here and asked for some honest opinions

[junior inlet]

Because live should die.

[wintry ridge]

because its out in 3 days

[earnest timber]

It almost like BSG sucks at doing proper lighting 'cause they're using many forced filters in the game

and amand graphics fixes that

[brittle sinew]

Yeah but does it struggle with it as much as Unity does?

[earnest timber]

no GI needed

[brittle sinew]

The Unreal games I play seem to have very good lighting despite this

[wintry ridge]

i like amands's graphics

but like

[summer obsidian]

pretty much. Lumen is still very early on for their dynamic GI solution. Distance fields ambient occlusion makes a meh results with lots of issues too. Like I said every engine tries their own solution at it.

[wintry ridge]

sometimes it feels too clear

for the map being a warzone

like there should be a little bit of smoke in the air or something

[earnest timber]

you can adjust the amount of fog