🎪bruh-fart

[fading portal]

Wrong guy

[fluid heron]

i fucking love salsa

[fading portal]

I’m not unhappy though

[fluid heron]

anybody who can post a gif is a fucking fed

[edgy abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-what-fbi-chris-redd-alex-moffat-gif-11784633

[fluid heron]

remove your fake skin you fucking reptilian

[tidal trellis]

The muncher

[fading portal]

Hate lizards (not racist just don’t like em)

[fluid heron]

and flops the twink

[toxic sundial]

This but it's a babyBell cheese

[spring quail]

my grandma used to get mad at me because she'd buy the bubble tape and i'd eat it all just like that

[slender rock]

Slow down you crazy bastard

You're gonna shit bubbles

[spring quail]

bubble tape and big league chew have no right being as tasty as they are

[edgy abyss]

NO!

[slender rock]

Aaaaaaaahh

[deep topaz]

loved that bubble gum tape

[fluid heron]

there was a red flavor?

i used to chew so much of that my jaw would hurt so bad i would slur my sentences

[prime zenith]

hello

[vast wren]

no perms yet

[edgy abyss]

The only way to eat Hubba Bubba:

[fluid heron]

thats way too much

fucking vile way to eat hubba bubba

there was this green flavor i fucked with

[edgy abyss]

you're right... you need to stick the entire thing in your mouth at once

[modern falcon]

my lord you will fuck up your jaw so much doing that

[storm stream]

damn, I remember these

years ago

[edgy abyss]

or make it stronger

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[summer flame]

you seem like the kinda guy to lose teeth to caramel apples

[edgy abyss]

apples

[summer flame]

[visual stirrup]

kakistocracy

noun

"rule by the worst"

is retardation and shit taste a prerequisite for the mod and helper roles?

damn shame the only ones posting shit here are you and iedy

[vale sand]

i do not regret not whitelisting helpers from the blacklisting

i do hope it strikes you down someday

[visual stirrup]

like soldiers in an encircled position getting airdropped supplies

but it's all rotten food and frozen pizza with pineapple

and, like, kholodets

whoever decided to make cold tasteless jello into a dish needs to be locked away

[grizzled meadow]

@dreamy flax what the helly is a khodolets

[vale sand]

probably the british

[dreamy flax]

A "khodolets" typically refers to a type of traditional Russian folk doll, often used as a talisman or decoration. These dolls are made from natural materials and are seen as symbols of good luck and protection. They can be adorned with various designs and colors, representing different themes or seasons.

If you meant something else, feel free to clarify! 😊

[vale sand]

has to be, they are literal culinary terrorists

[visual stirrup]

minor spelling mistake

khoLodets

[grizzled meadow]

@dreamy flax what the helly is a kholodets

[dreamy flax]

Kholodets is a traditional dish from Eastern Europe, particularly popular in Russia and Ukraine. It's a type of jellied meat dish made by slow-cooking meat (often pork or beef) in water, then cooling the broth until it thickens into a jelly-like consistency.

Kholodets is typically served cold and can include chunks of meat, vegetables, and spices. It's often accompanied by horseradish or mustard for added flavor. 🍽️🥩

[storm stream]

The jello comes from the bones

[vale sand]

Alright, I did not need to know that

[storm stream]

When the stuff gets boiled down

[visual stirrup]

as if german cuisinie is free of abominations

don't y'all have a holiday where you eat raw ground beef or something?

or maybe it's ground pork

[vale sand]

1. It's not a holiday
2. I have not once eaten it
3. It does sadly exist though, yes

Bread with some sort of ground beef

But if I had to choose between meat chunks, vegetables and spices floating in a fucking tub of jello and ground beef on a piece of bread, I already know which one I will choose

[verbal needle]

Oh that raw beef and onion sandwhich thing, I've seen that

I mean, can't be any worse than boiled bull testicles

[prime flower]

Guys im out of the loop, why no images on this server anymore?

[verbal needle]

Someone posted bad things for 3 hours

[prime flower]

Ouch

[verbal needle]

Mods took away perms till they have a fix

[prime flower]

Cant have shit in the zone

[grizzled meadow]

And with multiple alt accounts

Fix is almost here

[verbal needle]

I got tired of explaining

[prime flower]

Was it illegal shit or?

[grizzled meadow]

Just gore

[prime flower]

Yikes

[grizzled meadow]

The same gif spammed x100 times

[vale sand]

[grizzled meadow]

He's probably in here waiting for us to give the news

[grizzled meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/halfway-there-bon-jovi-living-on-a-prayer-band-concert-gif-15226260

[pastel quartz]

give me photo perms cuz i asked

[fluid heron]

i am going to devour a jar of pickled eggs

[pastel quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940741747032612907/1303503140129210428/togif.gif

fire

i got pickled eggs and sausage

[fluid heron]

pickled eggs are goated

[pastel quartz]

shits gas

[vale sand]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-patrick-star-derp-duh-gif-21500098

[fluid heron]

shit gives you gas

[pastel quartz]

ong

like a jar of lava rn

[fluid heron]

they really understated the hot on these eggs

that actually hurts

also these fucking suck

i give it 0 big booms

they arent even pickled all the way

these shit ass eggs are turning me racist

[summer flame]

quarter pickled eggs because fuck you

[fluid heron]

those were so fucking shit

my grandpa is the only person i trust to pickle an egg

there were 20

i ate 2 and threw them away

they really just made them hot as fuck cuz they knew they were ass

[pastel quartz]

i was already racist

[deep topaz]

only hillbillies eat pickled eggs and sausage

it's gonna be hot

[solar breach]

theres always just that one random guy you know whos the only fucker within 300 miles to pickle eggs perfectly

theres a guy my dad has not fired just cause he makes pickled quail eggs exactly how he likes them

[upper gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/im-home-im-home-alone-cute-kitten-gif-14259127

[edgy abyss]

Lol, just read some peak irony, American idiot, Charlie Kirk who's a outspoken Second Amendment supporter AND a jackass that said "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single years so that we can have the 2nd amendment" mc'fucking died from getting shot in the neck during his speech

[deep topaz]

the price of freedom is responsibility. we also need the second amendment to fight the government, or we're gonna turn into Western Europe

[toxic sundial]

Also very notable quote “I can’t stand the word ‘empathy,’ actually.
I think ‘empathy’ is a made-up new-age term that does a lot of damage.”

• Charlie Kirk

[edgy abyss]

really? Weird, ya got a fasist leading your country and a WHOLE GAGGLE of corrupt politicians... Where's the whitehouse siege?

[deep topaz]

The powers that be make everyone think they can't do anything

and so far, they've kept the uprising down

[edgy abyss]

soooo the only value your second amendment has is to enable school shooters and give the police a bloated budget, got it

[deep topaz]

ok make owning all guns illegal

uh oh, criminals still have guns

oopsie doodles

now law abiding citizens have no defense

[edgy abyss]

you're an idiot

I'm not saying to make them illegal

[deep topaz]

that's the endgame of all 2nd amendment abolitionists

[edgy abyss]

actually, I'm not stating ANYTHING about my stance on gun rights right now, that's you coming up with that one, but to put it on the record:
DON'T MAKE GUNS ILLEGAL, GET MORE GUN CONTROL TO STOP RETARDS FROM BUYING GUNS

[deep topaz]

if you give the government the power to restrict gun ownership, they're going to restrict everybody from getting guns

[young rivet]

That's an interesting point. Who decides which people to disqualify from purchasing guns?

[edgy abyss]

you think owning guns is illegal in the EU? I can go out and buy a firearm now, only difference is there is gonna be an EXTENCINVE screening before I get it, and as a civilian I am only allowed to own a certain class of firearms

[edgy abyss]

got a criminal record?
No Gun

Got mental health issues?
No Gun

[deep topaz]

that already exists here

people with no record buy guns for criminals

[fluid heron]

i fucking hate things that are hot to be hot

[deep topaz]

or they get them from overseas

[summer flame]

that's literally the same here

[fluid heron]

the spice and the taste of the pickled egg were completely seperate

shit is still pissing me off

[primal kiln]

He claimed to be pro life, but he died

curious

[fluid heron]

it dont work

[vale sand]

I don't live in the US, thus I don't really care about the gun restrictions set there but I do know that even with the most intensive background checks, you'd still have missing links.

Take mental health issues for example, they can occur later on, after you were greenlit on the purchase of a gun, it's impossible to completely eradicate every single weak link in a system that is still handled by humans.

[young rivet]

That's interesting. I seem to recall that the stated purpose of the justice system is to rehabilitate people. What's the point of rehabilitating someone just to make them a second class citizen once they've served their sentence? In my opinion, non violent felons who have been rehabilitated should absolutely be permitted to own firearms AND vote. Unfortunately, this is not currently the case.

[fluid heron]

people who are criminals will just own them illegally and those who have mental issues will still own them as those who enforce dont pry that much

[edgy abyss]

let me put it this way, I don't know excatly how your shitass government works, what I do know is that the US is the leading country in gun violence.
Making guns illegal is never gonna work, duuuuhhh
But EU has strict gun ownership laws that still allows civilians to own and use guns

[fluid heron]

gun control is just a fucking waste of breath in the us

better off just having everyone armed

[young rivet]

As for mental issues, that's a slippery slope into discrimination, and could easily be abused to keep guns from the hands of high functioning individuals. That's certainly what happened with red flag laws.

[toxic sundial]

Define mental illness. Certain sexualities have been labeled mental illnesses, as recently as 40 years ago.

[fluid heron]

red flag laws make me cringe

as 90 percent of the time its just exes and divorces

[deep topaz]

yeah as long as criminals exist, there's going to be gun crime

it's a society problem

not a legislation problem

[young rivet]

Yeah, it's straight up dystopian shit. "There's a small possibility that you might commit a crime at some point, so we're going to confiscate your property"

[fluid heron]

its fucking insane

[summer flame]

we have a debilitating mental heath crisis

[fluid heron]

and its never out of genuine concern its always he said she said

[summer flame]

like its tearing us apart actively

[edgy abyss]

says the guy frm the only country where shootings are a normal thing and not a massive, once in a decade social crisis
Edit: the only FIRST WORLD country

[fluid heron]

its not they try everything in their power to fuck over lawful gun owner

every gun law only affects those who legally own weapons

[deep topaz]

they make laws constantly trying to fuck over legal owners

[summer flame]

correlation =/= causation

[deep topaz]

but that's what's funny, criminals don't listen to laws

[fluid heron]

if you had multiple felonys why the fuck would you care what was legal

you cant even own a gun to begin with

why respect the retarded stock laws

they only affect legal owners

[edgy abyss]

it's amazing how people immediately assume that when you talk about fixing a problem you're only supposed to do it from a single direction...

[fluid heron]

the issue is you cant fix it without arming the rest of the population

[deep topaz]

the solution is having no crazy people who want to kill others

not possible

[fluid epoch]

I’m straight strokin it viciously rn

[fluid heron]

only real thing ever said in this chat

[vast wren]

whats this about

[vast wren]

who up cybering they punk

[fluid heron]

gun "control"

[summer flame]

this is also not the solution lol

[vast wren]

no comment, not american

[young rivet]

Same brother, same.

[vast wren]

name checks out

[fluid heron]

that should be the default response if you arent american

[fluid epoch]

I concur, penis man

[edgy abyss]

wanted to laugh about a funny bit of irony, the american side of chat decided it's supposed to be a discussion about gun control.

Note to self, never talk about gun rights with americans

[vast wren]

why, did someone non american join in on the conversation

[fluid heron]

per usual

[vast wren]

oh

[toxic sundial]

Switzerland seems to have this problem down. Thing is it involves massive societal differences, the U.S. has never been a high trust society

[fluid epoch]

Btw whatever you do, do NOT abbreviate Cyberpunk

[vast wren]

okay.

[young rivet]

It absolutely is. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

[fluid heron]

cp2077

[vale sand]

you have 2077 of them on your hard drive?

[fluid epoch]

HAAAAAAANNKK!!!!!!

[vast wren]

"HANK, HAAAAANNK NO, DONT ABBREVIATE CYBERPUNK"

[vale sand]

damn

[unborn pike]

You retards do know he used a bolt action right. Not even Giffords would dare ban that

[deep topaz]

guess why we aren't high trust

[summer flame]

I 100% agree that an armed society is a polite society, but you shouldn't be handing out guns left and right lol

[fluid heron]

I LOVE CP (2077) RAHHH

[vast wren]

who up willying they wonka

[fluid heron]

its 100 percent a moral issue

[toxic sundial]

Don't for even a second take that where I think you are cause I will dismantle that shit so quick

[fluid heron]

the issue being people dont value others lives

[deep topaz]

stats don't lie

[summer flame]

you could just say we never had a homogeneous population its ok

we know what you mean lol

[deep topaz]

you want a melting pot, you get killing

[toxic sundial]

[fluid heron]

us keeping guns were orginally for response against tryanicall government

its now just against other citizens

[deep topaz]

it still is

[fluid heron]

still is definitely

[young rivet]

Obviously not left and right. Maybe just up and down.

[vast wren]

cant someone commit a shooting with a bolt action though, on top of a roof or out of a window lee harvey oswald style?

[fluid heron]

yeah very easily

[young rivet]

Lee Harvey didn't act alone tho.

[visual stirrup]

there was that one guy

[fluid heron]

except lee harvery didnt do the shooting

[young rivet]

He was A shooter, but definitely not the only one.

[visual stirrup]

bit more difficult with a manually operated weapon, obviously

[fluid heron]

the cia killed kennedy

[vast wren]

what I get here is the solution isnt to ban or control guns, because criminals can get them illegaly too

[fluid heron]

yep

[young rivet]

I concur.

[summer flame]

you can get a bolt action to fire very rapidly with the right technique

and still be accurate

[deep topaz]

the kennedy files proved it wasn't just oswald

and you know who did it

[vast wren]

there is a technique to fire bolt actions fast

[fluid heron]

those who can be trusted and are of moral upstandingness or some shit can own guns and protect themselves and others

[vast wren]

its called the "mad minute"

[fluid heron]

but that rearely happejns

[young rivet]

It was obviously John Wilkes Booth.

[summer flame]

I'm still mad about his death and I wasn't even born when it happened

[fluid heron]

the cia that staged vampire attacks to take control of a country

[vast wren]

its done by holding the bolt with the trigger and thumb while the middle finger pulls the trigger on the lee enfield

so yeah, operating a bolt action fast is possible

[fluid heron]

I want a fucking slamfire shotgun

[spring quail]

put super saftey on ar12

[summer flame]

no the fuck you do not

they suck

[fluid heron]

but they are fun

[summer flame]

make one yourself then

it takes 2 pipes and a nail

[fluid heron]

not trying to never own a gun again

[summer flame]

do you live in a city or something

just do it in the woods lol

[fluid heron]

next to one

i live a half hour from atlanta

[young rivet]

That seems like something a fed would say...

[spring quail]

ar12 w/ 20rnd magazine + super safety is the walmart aa12 solution

and cheaper than scam fire

and legal

[summer flame]

Luty played with his homemade SMG for months before getting caught by being stupid

just don't be stupid

[deep topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-musume-wholesome-cute-gif-3311112974523750362

[fluid heron]

i could make a fuck ton of auto sears

[young rivet]

Hmmm the federal agent is trying to peer pressure me... And it's working. Time to pay a visit to Home Depot.

[fluid heron]

but i wont because it will eventually catch up to me

[summer flame]

real

[deep topaz]

most people only get caught cause they have the subliminal desire to be recognized for what they did

[vast wren]

thing about gun control, I find it ridiculous, ted kaszcinsky made a 22 single shot bolt action out of an air gun barrel that had a 22. bore, aluminum pieces, and wood

[fluid heron]

it doesnt work

[summer flame]

or the fucked up looking gun that killed Shinzo Abe

[fluid heron]

it just fundementallly doesnt

if information on something is accesible enough it cannot be contained

[vast wren]

brandon herrera did a video on it, it did, but its slow and unconventional

[fluid heron]

but its still lethal

[vast wren]

yes

[fluid heron]

shinzo abe is very dead

[young rivet]

Bro the DOD literally published an IED / pipe gun tutorial. You can buy that shit on Amazon.

[fluid heron]

the anarchists guide or sum

[summer flame]

no

[fluid heron]

i was boutta say

[vast wren]

was that a wire fired black powder or was it a shotgun shell in those?

[young rivet]

No, it's literally published and credited to the DOD lmao

[fluid heron]

that guide is a one way stop to maiming yourself

[vast wren]

I mean yeah, if you were dumb enough to follow it

[fluid heron]

yep

[summer flame]

The anarchists' cookbook was made by the CIA in an attempt to foil terrorist's plots by giving them faulty explosives recipes making them way too sensitive

[toxic sundial]

This whole chat is bait you're all feds trying to get me to engage

[summer flame]

causing them to main/kill said terrorists

[fluid heron]

the moral is people who want to do harm to others will find any way to commit that

[vast wren]

I'm literally a european, no fed here

[summer flame]

we are all the same federal agent jumping between desks

[toxic sundial]

Super fed 🫵

[little mirage]

Non percent chance the charlie shooter is a gamma user

[fluid heron]

this ones the fed

those who talk about feds the most are usually feds

[summer flame]

oh so you're Interpol?

I knew it

[vast wren]

maybe

[toxic sundial]

Ya think in the helldiver's universe they have super feds monitoring super brain fart

[summer flame]

for sure

[fluid heron]

bro fuck amazon

[summer flame]

cold take

[fluid heron]

fuck ass ai bitch aint even got david bowie

[summer flame]

pirate music like a man

[fluid heron]

its just convinient telling your ai concubine to play whatever music you want

[fluid heron]

on the alexa your dad owns and you dont

[upper shore]

true, clankers do not deserve rights!

[fluid heron]

i root all my devices

i personally wouldnt let bezos listen in on everything i do

[summer flame]

I want bezos to hear me ask Alexa for fart jokes

[vast wren]

concubine implies you can fuck it

[fluid heron]

i want bezos to listen to me jerk my shit while i make alexa make fart noises for 5 hours

[vast wren]

oh good god

[summer flame]

[fluid heron]

im too drunk this alexa whore is yapping instead of playing my music

i wish i could fucking strike her

[vast wren]

oh good god

[fluid heron]

tell her to play a song and bezos starts talking about paying 19.80 a month to play the song and playing it anyways after saying no

[vast wren]

someone strap a pumping fleshlight on alexa

[fluid heron]

jarvis..

you say a song and an artist and it plays some cover by some random cuck

oh wow a cover

im gonna fucking smash this thing

slave employees and billions cant even afford rights to stream songs

dog is trying to calm me down cuz he knows im pissed off

[primal rapids]

So apparently a firearms company is making a .50 beowulf SMG

This is fine

[spring quail]

you can build a .458 8.5" ar pistol for like $800

[fluid heron]

well 50 beowulf is fucking ass

[spring quail]

and then put an binary in it

[fluid heron]

it was made to shoot out engine blocks

and it only refers to its case diameter

the higher the number only means the higher the diameter

[spring quail]

https://underwoodammo.com/458-socom-302gr.-xtreme-penetrator-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/

be blowing the opps away with screwdriver bits

[fluid heron]

you can put a 50 cal in a 12 gauge shotgun and it fits perfectly

an smg in 50 beowulf sounds impractical as fuck

bro whatever the fuck im seing for a 50 beowulf smg looks like a concussion and shoulder pain machine

[deep topaz]

50 beo is like, a crackhead muzzleloader round

why are they making a SMG for it

[fluid heron]

its such a fucking impractical round

the chimera arms mauleer

is the only attempt ive seen at a 50 beowulf smg

and it looks like a fucking nightmare to shoot

[deep topaz]

there's a reason there's no other attempts to make a 50 beo smg

[fluid heron]

theres a reason why a 45 acp kriss vector is considered impracitcal

[deep topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/kingassripper-dog-assrip-brap-fart-gif-19820543

https://tenor.com/view/kingassripper-pizza-gravy-food-gif-27094391

[fluid heron]

kingassripper

i do not think ill click on this link

[spring quail]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-jakl-6-5-9mm-pistol-black-midwest-industries-brace.html

i want this with an frt

[fluid heron]

budget supplier

god an original 5.45 ak with zenitco furniture

i would sell my fucking kidneys

[spring quail]

im waiting on the day i can buy a pak43 from them

[fluid heron]

if i didnt have to sell more kidneys for the ammo

[spring quail]

i'm going to use my yugioh polymerization card on these two :

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-moe-ept-sba5-lower-black.html

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-pistol-length-300aac-1-7-nitride-7-lightweight-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-ch7.html#yotpo_review_tab

[vast wren]

you cant own field guns over there in america?

[spring quail]

there's this thing called the NFA and it really makes people upset

[vast wren]

damn

[fluid heron]

fuck the nfa

fuck the atf

[spring quail]

you can own them with a license but there's a new class action going on to abolish the NFA which would destroy the license requirement

[fluid heron]

i want the nfa gone so bad

[spring quail]

PSA is doing a fundraiser for the lawsuit with their GOA-15 lowers

[fluid heron]

really just an excuse to extort money from legal owners

it does fuck all

[deep topaz]

what does the government do except extort money from citizens

[fluid heron]

oh you want a silencer on your legally owned firearm?

pay our bribe money or go to prison

[deep topaz]

quiet shooting is only for the rich

[spring quail]

the tax for them is $0 now but you still need the stamp & registry

[fluid heron]

oh you put a grip on your concealed pistol making it less concealed?

[spring quail]

the lawsuit says "why nfa exist if stamp bring no money"

[fluid heron]

now its a rifle

[glad carbon]

Fund public works projects and organize shit?

Wdym

[deep topaz]

logberal spotted

[fluid heron]

more like sit on its ass and do nothing

[spring quail]

another 34,000 contracts to the councilman's nephew's company

[glad carbon]

Idk I think it's just libertarian free market cope to expect a country without a centralized govt to get anything done

[vast wren]

you have to pay for those? over here in france if you're police and want a supressor for your gun you can get it no problem, since it technically improves the hearing safety

[glad carbon]

Yeah let 100000 people fight over how they want their roads to be constructed and funded

[deep topaz]

just have local governments

fed gets nothing done

[upper gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-wink-tongue-out-gif-8216695057499490778

[fluid heron]

its more the fact i pay so many taxes out the ass to see no noticable improvement

to an even worsening of the current state of the country

i pay federal and state tax and both go to shit

[deep topaz]

you pay taxes so Lacquishieadareanna can support her 12 kids on no job

[fluid heron]

dont get me started on welfare

[spring quail]

quick talk about guns again

i was having fun

[fluid heron]

guns are fun

its just that talking about guns turns into talking about those who want to infringe and restrict

[vast wren]

why does welfare exist

[spring quail]

https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/300-blackout-190-gr-sub-x-subsonic#!/

[fluid heron]

good fucking question

anyways

[spring quail]

is there a better round for a short barrel 300blk

[vast wren]

overall its just getting taken advantage of

[deep topaz]

"erm it's a social support network" no it's just a bunch of leeches doing fuck all and living a better life than me

[vast wren]

over here in france "asylum seekers" take advantage of the tax paying citizens

[fluid heron]

i fucking wish i was broke enough to not have to work

its just a fucking out

[vast wren]

of their welfare

[fluid heron]

a way to not contribute anything to the society you live in

and instead leech off it

not providing a service a good nothing

[vast wren]

yep, and atleast the ones who live off welfare over there dont hate the country their in

over here they desacrate landmarks

[fluid heron]

uk?

[vast wren]

france

[fluid heron]

yep

[deep topaz]

the ones over here hate the country too, they hate it so much they leech off it

and provide nothing

[fluid heron]

its all so tiring

[vast wren]

have you seen that one video of an immigrant on the statue of jean d'arc on the horse, humping her

[fluid heron]

and you have half your population supporting this fucking leech behavior

and the complete lack of respect of your culture or anything

[vast wren]

yes, and they're given options when they're given the flight back to their home country

they hate the country they're in, yet take advantage of the welfare

[fluid heron]

if you dont intend to blend and mesh with the culture you want to assimilate and live with you shouldnt be granted access

thats like me moving to japan and corralling bulls in tokyo

[vast wren]

I'm glad my husband agreed for us to move out of paris and into an isolated property kilometers out of versailles

[spring quail]

i just want my hole in the ground on some cheap montana land

[fluid heron]

i wish i couldve been born 40 years earlier when i didnt have to worry about any of this shit

[vast wren]

speaking of japan, they're trying to move in there too in mass amounts

[fluid heron]

japan is freaking the fuck out

they dont want more migrants

[vast wren]

and they're suing the government or something like that for islamaphobia

[spring quail]

its so funny watching some lefty voiceboxes start turning on le heckin japanerino

[fluid heron]

its fucking ridiculous

as your own governing country with your own culture are you not allowed to deny those who are opposite of your beliefs

its kinda just insane to me

[vast wren]

"diversity is our strength" if only the ones they let in actively contributed and not live off welfare, while simeltaenously trying to establish sharia law

[fluid heron]

when the british conquered the americas and pushed the indigenous out was that not a conflict of belifes

but i exist in this country because of that

its fucking tiring

[pseudo sequoia]

This is some good stuff

[vast wren]

welfare at the price of taxpayers

[deep topaz]

the british people settled the americas, they didn't immigrate to a society already built

they made it from dirt

[fluid heron]

they pushed those who already lived there

[vast wren]

asylum seekers should go back to their country, "but but, they'll face conviction", you do the crime you do the time

[fluid heron]

most of the asylum seekers arent even from a war torn country

[vast wren]

eh...no, they took their land by force

[fluid heron]

trail of tears tribal scalping

there was alot

you could trade in tribal scalps for money

[deep topaz]

they pushed the locals out, yes, but they made cities and states from nothing

[fluid heron]

scalp another human being and gain profit

[vast wren]

I get it if its from palestine or active wartorn countries, but this? they're just from the middle east

[deep topaz]

it's suicidal empathy

[pseudo sequoia]

Any EU Einstiens telling us how to control our guns so far tonight lol

[fluid heron]

from places with no active war

[vast wren]

they argue "but europeans were the immigrants too, they just took over, colonized africa for its resources" so you go to a country you hate to actively leech on it? it sounds like what the original europeans did but they introduced new technology to the tribes.

[fluid heron]

and their religions and cultures actively forbid anything that would warrant need seeking asylum

[vast wren]

what did the immigrants introduce?

[fluid heron]

yes if europeans didnt come fuck all would be happening in the us

but the us has pretty much denounced european heritage

[vast wren]

disrespect, I get desecrating statues that commemorate the shit that they went through but other statues? that didnt have anything to do with that? just plain disrespect

[vast wren]

Yep, driving out the british was pretty based

[fluid heron]

real then we started buying native scalps

and pushing west

[vast wren]

you just did what the british would have done

[fluid heron]

it really was no different

back then nobody gave a fuck about culture

australian aborginials fucked over by the british

no fucks given

the british trying to virtue signal and seem welcoming this late in the game is crazy

[vast wren]

I might sound like the old stella after this but after napoleons exile to st. helena, leadership was forced to kneel to monarchists again, shit has really gone down the drain, being friends,allies even, with the british?

makes me sick

the idea of colonization was from a monarchy

[fluid heron]

a monarchy that held tight beliefs

that considered them superior

[vast wren]

yep.

[fluid heron]

now theyve backtracked on it

and every other country believes them superior

nationalism

[upper gulch]

long live the queen

[fluid heron]

at this point i think killing eachother for decades might be a better alternative

humans of different beliefs structures upbringing i think are just generally incompatible

[deep topaz]

everyone should have their own country, and stay there

homogenous cultures

[fluid heron]

you grow up thinking one thing is right and the other is wrong and another grows up thinking the opposite

humans have been killing eachother for hundreds of thousands of years

[vast wren]

the purpose of the french revolution was originally to detach the need for a monarchy in france, and the napoleonic wars was because the rest of europes monarchies were afraid their peasants would try the same thing, throwing a hissy fit and declaring war on france

[upper gulch]

you would just get reverse racism

[vast wren]

and only halfway did napoleon I turn that to a conquest for europe

because his ego grew larger and larger

[deep topaz]

if it results in a better QoL for people, so be it

[vast wren]

why did spain have to introduce colonization

fucking catastrophic

[upper gulch]

itd just create same tension as what happen in our world but with the opposite idea

[fluid heron]

i think people are just destined to fight and kill eachother

[vast wren]

its mans nature

[fluid heron]

it simply is

[vast wren]

but colonization was just catastrophic for the rest of human history

[fluid heron]

it kinda was

and i cant even talk shit on it cuz its why i exist

[quartz ridge]

you can

[fluid heron]

i personally think having some reverened for your origins is healthy

[quartz ridge]

just because you exist because of something back doesnt mean you owe it to that something

like yes you can embrace your origin

but you can still shittalk colonization

[fluid heron]

my ancestors probably murdered hundreds of natives but im alive because of them

[slender rock]

Damn

They missed a few

🌞

[vast wren]

my ancestors were Sicillian, they didnt do shit but fish and farm

[slender rock]

Heheh

[fluid heron]

well we did do the trail of tears

for the remainig native population

[upper gulch]

i would say peace would be more mans "essence" than war because peacefulness usually more rational and social which people are more driven to than malice, i think want for war would be more of "accident" than it would be part of human essence

[slender rock]

Mine I think just fucked and here I am being a mutt of both native, Mexican(maybe) and a ton of anglo Saxon muttery

[fluid heron]

i dont have any native heritage

[slender rock]

I do

Apache, mescalero

[vast wren]

peace is essence, war is nature, because back then, they didnt have much morals, when they learned that invading other territories and keeping it expanded their tribe, morals were thrown out the window

[slender rock]

Stella why are you scalping heads now

🙃

[fluid heron]

if i was born back in the day and was settling west i would be fucking scalping natives

a moral compass just really wasnt very devoloped back then

[slender rock]

Damn good luck doing that with apaches

We fucked with everyone

[vast wren]

yep, and the natives you were scalping did the same thing to you, bottom line? both sides morals were more intune to their tribe

[fluid heron]

every tribe was trying to privey favor with the settlers

and was scalping others

[slender rock]

Apaches and Navajo ganged up on Hopis

So

🌞

[upper gulch]

i wouldnt say thrown away because you cant "throw away" something thats part of essence (using essence and accident in aristotelian meaning) because its part of fundamentals of what makes a human what it is, and accidents are deviations or attributes that dont compromise essence, people having malice or want for war doesnt compromise also naturally being inclined to peace but it is real thing that people do so it has to be a accident, war and malice are just failure for people to live by their nature and proper virtues (meaning performing what somethings function is)

[fluid heron]

it was just absolutely fucked

[slender rock]

Hehe

[fluid heron]

people will do anything to get a leg up on others

and what happened to those native tribes that joined up with the colonizers?

they were fucking killed and exiled

[vast wren]

well, back then, peace wasnt a concept to them, originally before the tribes, the cavemen were killing each other for survival

so originally, peace wasnt the nature

[fluid heron]

theyve found so many ancient skeletons with signs of murder and war

more than deaths to wildlife or anything

[upper gulch]

if cavemen were just randomly killing each other and no one cooperated none of us would be here except for a direct incest line for like half the world and that doesnt line up with anthropology or logic

[fluid heron]

well everyone is inbred

that is kind of unfortunate

[upper gulch]

but even if all them were violent in reality peace doesnt have to be absent as a concept and part of the essence

[fluid heron]

fleeting peace

[vast wren]

so really where I'm going with this is peace is attained through war, as the original cavemen had to kill to live another day

[upper gulch]

but fact that tribes of cavemen existed at all hints at peaceful association

[fluid heron]

tribes were more extended family units

it would be like huddling together with your inlaws for warmth

[upper gulch]

but if violence and war is more part of essence than peace they would fight family and by extension have constant infighting as well

[fluid heron]

especially way back in the ice age

[upper gulch]

so them forming tribes is more of evidence from senses that peace is more part of essence than malice

is also just more rational

[vast wren]

its more selective peace, they select who they are peaceful with

[fluid heron]

also known as discrimination

[vast wren]

and kill anyone outside it

[fluid heron]

you protect your family against others because you discriminate not because they are of a different race or religion but because they are not your family

[upper gulch]

that is true but we dont know what cavemen exactly thought, we do know what we think today and for while before that and we know that humans in the majority incline toward peace over war

so we can assume our ancestors did the same even if its on smaller scale

[vast wren]

but I'm talking originally, before tribes, when cavemen were still living in solitude who had to kill other cavemen to live another day

peace cant be attained if it isnt for war

[fluid heron]

there is so much killing of others for resources

[upper gulch]

how would they live in solitude if they need to mate

[fluid heron]

incest

[upper gulch]

that doesnt match with what we know of cavemen though

[vast wren]

you think laws existed then?

[upper gulch]

what are you meaning by solitude then

[vast wren]

incest, rape

[upper gulch]

youre saying like lone cavmen being alone, beating off doesnt make kids

[fluid heron]

if you try to go up a family tree you would have an exponential growth of people until there was more people than ever existed on earth

[upper gulch]

if you mean family units then thats same thing you were talking about earlier and its arbitrary to call it something different

[fluid heron]

until you add in incest

[vast wren]

who they didnt kill they raped or commited incest

[upper gulch]

wdym

[fluid heron]

basically if you tried to follow a family tree

its exponential

you have 2 parents for every child and they arent related

[upper gulch]

when you say cavemen living in solitude im imagining you mean singular cavemen living in individual solitude

but im saying if you mean families or family units

[slender rock]

Ooga booga

[fluid heron]

a group of cavemen

[upper gulch]

youre not saying anything different from before and its arbitrary to call it something different

[vast wren]

before the tribes, you think they had a concept of reproduction?

[upper gulch]

concept of reproduction

its innate

[fluid heron]

cavemen didnt give a fuck about inbreeding

[upper gulch]

we dont know they didnt, but regardless not what im talking about

hes saying living in solitude, that would meaning like singular cavemen

[fluid heron]

there was

rarely

[upper gulch]

so its arbitrary

[fluid heron]

most of it is anecdotal

[upper gulch]

a monk going and living in a hermit isnt a good thing to bring up when talking about people giving birth every minute

its arbitrary

[fluid heron]

you find a skelton with no other skeletons of others of its species and tribes for hundred of miles

[vast wren]

in the form of primal lust

[upper gulch]

what does any of this got to do with humans forming tribes

[fluid heron]

well humans are the most intelligent form of life

[upper gulch]

all our evidence of cavemen is that they formed tribes and communities

they were social

[fluid heron]

yes

[upper gulch]

we are still social today

[fluid heron]

yes

and very violent

other tribes we murdered

[upper gulch]

which im saying is not part of human essence its part of accidents

[fluid heron]

humans are hard wired to be soical

[vast wren]

its part of it

[fluid heron]

we literally go insane without human interaction

[upper gulch]

and regardless of violence against other tribes, fact that humans were peaceful to each other hints at it being more part of essence than part of accidents

[fluid heron]

thats how the brain is wired

[upper gulch]

its not part of essence its part of accidents

peace and social connection is part of human essence

[fluid heron]

social connection is

[upper gulch]

its part of fundamental reality that makes humans what humans are and distinguish them from something like a chairs essence

[fluid heron]

but that social connection can be one person

we are more wired to interact with anybody atleats onje

[upper gulch]

that doesnt mean anything

like to what im saying

essence is just fundamental reality that makes something what it is, a chair has a chair essence and a human has a human essence because they have real distinction

accidents are just attributes or properties that something has that dont compromise essence

[fluid heron]

a chair is a chair because we as humans have decided it is a chair

[upper gulch]

so like hair colour is a accident because we dont not become human by having different hair colour because we share human essence

[upper gulch]

no because it has real metaphysical distinction between other things in essence

its really different from other things

[fluid heron]

which is still determined by our perception and is also manmade

[upper gulch]

no it isnt

[fluid heron]

a chair isnt manmade?

[upper gulch]

a chair is

rationality isnt

metaphysics isnt

[fluid heron]

rationality is all in your head

your entire existance is in your head

[upper gulch]

i disagree but regardless doesnt make it human made

[fluid heron]

conversations starting to get to the point where its so existensial none of us can agree

[upper gulch]

it isnt

its by basic properties

same thing as 2 + 2 = 4

rationality and metaphysics are driven by same basic methodology as arithmetic

[idle veldt]

Nah man we made that up

[upper gulch]

but a chair has real distinction

[fluid heron]

and what is rational is decided by other humans

[upper gulch]

no

[fluid heron]

yes

[idle veldt]

Nah man we made up chairs

[upper gulch]

its decided by its own laws

[fluid heron]

that we fuckin discovered

and have spread

[upper gulch]

we didnt discover laws of rationality

they instrinsically exist as a fundamental property of itself

[idle veldt]

That’s correct

[upper gulch]

but even then

you would say 2 + 2 = 4 is wrong because we as humans can describe addition

[fluid heron]

i would say its right because its what humans have agreed upon

[upper gulch]

and rationality is driven by same principles as mathematics, and mathematics is a type of logic

humans didnt agree on any of it, humans agreed it described fundamental reality

not agreed that they just made it up

[fluid heron]

is that not what humans have agreed upon

[upper gulch]

if you say a bug is green although youre using your brain to say that, the bug is really green in reality

it isnt not green because you use your mind to say it

[fluid heron]

which still depends on how everything percieves light and color

[upper gulch]

no

there is a fundamental reality of greenness

and that bug is that

[fluid heron]

that is lights wavelengths and how we percieve it

[upper gulch]

which are part of reality

[fluid heron]

so our perception is our reality

[upper gulch]

wavelengths dont magically differ because we say they do, they exist as a part of fundamental reality

[fluid heron]

it all exists fundamentally and is altered by how we percieve it

[upper gulch]

you can measure a wavelength from two people and it wont differ despite them using different perceptions to get that conclusion

because there are some things that are just grounded in fundamentals

and are a real part of universe

[fluid heron]

but we still percieve light differently

its fundamentally the same

[upper gulch]

but we dont measure it as being different from the same source just because we perceieve it differently

a colour blind person wont say that something is green if he and two other people measure it to be red

itll be a property of himself not a property of reality

[fluid heron]

but that is all he knows as green

its his own reality

[upper gulch]

no it isnt

he knows red exist or else he wouldnt be able to say is red

[fluid heron]

and whatever he percieves as red whether it not be red

is red to him

[upper gulch]

him not perceiving it doesnt mean anything

he knows it exists

[fluid heron]

because he percieves it

[upper gulch]

no hes colour blind

he knows red as a concept exists

he cant agree with 2 people that something is red if he sees green if he doesnt acknowledge that red really exists

at least with a sound mind

[fluid heron]

and his acknowledgement of red is based upon what others percieve as red and in his different perception he associates whatever he sees with red

[upper gulch]

universials being able to exist already disproves that reality is just perception

because universials wouldnt exist at all

everything would be particulars

[fluid heron]

we piece together reality from the cells that make us up

[upper gulch]

and if you start saying things are all just labels and perception is reality it just collapses on itself

[fluid heron]

we do not percieve reality in its entirety

only what we have been genetically predisposed to see

you can percieve color in a band to a certain limit

[upper gulch]

we dont need to perceive anything we have non human tools to do that, but regardless countless things have shown that human senses are a reliable source for epistemology if person is of sound mind

[fluid heron]

splendid

i forgot what the fuck we were even talking about originally

[upper gulch]

human senses being part of epistemology doesnt mean that everything is perception

otherwise those non human tools would be invalid for epistemology

because they would be unable to perceive

[fluid heron]

you as a human are unable to percieve these things without tools

that does not disprove their existance

[upper gulch]

i dont need the tools either though

[fluid heron]

merely that the human body isnt designed to specialise

[upper gulch]

if everything is just perception it collapses on itself metaphysically

so it wouldnt make sense no matter what angle youre looking at it from

[fluid heron]

but they really exist its just that your perception is that made up by your mind

[upper gulch]

metaphysics, epistemology, rationality

[idle veldt]

I feel like there a little bit of trolling going on

[upper gulch]

either way is fun i like to talk about this

[fluid heron]

i feel like im very drunk

[upper gulch]

they do really exist

[fluid heron]

they do

but what we see

[vast wren]

deep conversations

[upper gulch]

so you agree that reality exists

[fluid heron]

why wouldnt it

[upper gulch]

im wondering same thing

[fluid heron]

this was originally about the fact we as humans fucking murder eachother constantly

[upper gulch]

but there are people who think reality doesnt actually exist

and is all perception

but where we disagree is that perception correspond to reality

[fluid heron]

like those who think theres nothing they just percieve it

there are things its just that we percieve it all differently

[vast wren]

I hope this put wrinkles on brainfart users brains

[upper gulch]

kind of

[vast wren]

this is too smart for brainfart

[upper gulch]

is more that labels exist and you can just bring everything to reductions

like

a table isnt really a table is just nails and wood, and nails and wood arent really nails and wood but just metal, and metal is etc etc etc

until you get to nothing

so nothing must actually exist

[fluid heron]

metal is made up of millions of atoms

[deep topaz]

everything is stardust reformed and reshaped

[fluid heron]

but we put titles on things for understanding

[upper gulch]

but issue with that is that essences have to really exist so you cant just have nothing exist while everything exists as well

[fluid heron]

its how we understand the world

[upper gulch]

so it collapses on itself

and is self defeating

because you have to use something to say nothing exists

[fluid heron]

thats why everythings fucked

[deep topaz]

sometimes the simpler answer is the right one

[verbal needle]

Who wants a bunch of horse memes

[fluid heron]

nobody

plus no perms

also i fucking hate horses

[spring quail]

gold ship armpits

[upper gulch]

and we do that through senses and logic

[verbal needle]

[deep topaz]

if the yakuza didn't kill everyone who made uma porn there'd be an incredible golshi futa crowd

[upper gulch]

without rationality we wouldnt understand anything and everything would kind of just be vague booking reality

but we know real things exist

so then means that real things that we can rationalize exist because rationality cant rationalize nothing

so also in a way self defeating

[fluid heron]

more you think about rationalization is just trying to prove things that exist we cant percieve exist

[upper gulch]

i mean you also need senses

is just that rationality is a necessity for knowledge

[fluid heron]

we cant percieve atoms but theyve always existed

so us proving they exist fuck does that do

[upper gulch]

we can perceive them with EMs

but we also know they exist before that

because we prove it

which again is evidence why rationality that doesnt contradict cant be wrong about reality because is grounded in its own principles

[fluid heron]

everything that exists its rationalized but we are still playing catch up

im gonna go piss now

[upper gulch]

enjoy it

[upper gulch]

ya everything that exists can be rationalized because rationality requires something to rationalize

[sour inlet]

how many joints did you philosofucks smoke before making it here?

[fluid heron]

None heavy drinking

[upper gulch]

but for original topic kindness is part of human essence because is a universal among humans, where war is a accident because for 1. it cant also be part of essence if kindness is because two attributes of a essence cant contradict each other or fundamentals of something would be contradictory, but also 2. because it is sensibly and rationally not part of innate human action but is more of part of people going against their essence and virtues

[sour inlet]

good man keeping it old school

[upper gulch]

too many stop supplying me

youre literally me dealer

my

[vast wren]

oversized toddlers

that you pay a fortune to maintain

[fluid heron]

Demonic hellspawn

[sour inlet]

hey mans gotta eat

[vast wren]

space(stable),field,food, and veterenary bills

[upper gulch]

thats true

[vast wren]

not worth it

[fallow trellis]

0 doing drugs are for losers

gamble your money instead

[fluid heron]

And not doing them is for fucking squares

What a conundrum

[idle veldt]

I don’t believe in essence, but I do think humans are naturally kind

[fluid heron]

I think humans are kind for those they are naturally dispose to

Like family or friends

[upper gulch]

then you believe in essence regardless if you accept the word as title you would believe in it as a concept

[idle veldt]

An essence implies like a soul or something

[fluid heron]

anyways im gonna take a few more shots

[upper gulch]

youre still presupposing a essence

[fallow trellis]

I think people forget that kindness they biologically have is just an altrusitic gene

[idle veldt]

Or like an other-worldly thing

[upper gulch]

no in aristotelian language a essence is just what make something fundamentally what it is

[fallow trellis]

and a high part that humans are social in nature

[upper gulch]

is essential to that thing

if it didnt have that it wouldnt be that thing

[idle veldt]

I think humans are predisposed to be kind, but I don’t think it’s a fundamental part of them

[upper gulch]

part of human essence is being made up of parts, if you werent made up of parts you wouldnt be human

so its fundamental to you

[fluid heron]

my big ah dih

[fallow trellis]

we are biologically predisposed to be altrusitic, not kind

[upper gulch]

by saying people are naturally kind isnt just saying some people are kind is implying that kindness is a fundamental point of humanity

[fallow trellis]

thats why when most feel scared they scream, its a primal way to tell people "hey theres something scary here, im letting you know"

[fluid heron]

we show kindness based on discrimination

[fallow trellis]

kindness isnt a fundamental point of humanity

[upper gulch]

if something is intrinsic and ncessary for something is considered part of essence

[upper gulch]

it is

[fluid heron]

its not

[vast wren]

blame me, I started it, I said that war is human nature

[upper gulch]

it is

[idle veldt]

Naturally as in it’s the path of least resistance

[fallow trellis]

your confusing altrusim with kindness

[fluid heron]

it is

[idle veldt]

Like it’s best practice to be kind

[fluid heron]

we hate those who are different

[upper gulch]

right because logic and rationality are also part of human essence

[fallow trellis]

xalrider moment

[upper gulch]

humans will always take most rational path if theyre following their essence and virtues

[fluid heron]

me moment

[idle veldt]

Do you think it’s possible for someone to be irrational

[fluid heron]

if you have a different religion and lifestyle than me

go fuck yourself

[vast wren]

term for poeple like yampire is a hippie

[upper gulch]

yes but that would be what make that a accident not part of essence

there are accidents and essences

[fallow trellis]

so you hate healthy people

[fluid heron]

no im not overweight unhealthy or anything

[idle veldt]

What makes it an accident and not essential to that person

[upper gulch]

essences are what fundamentally make something what it is, accidents are attributes that exist but dont contradict essence

[fluid heron]

yampire is saying things that are so individually subjective its hard to know what the fuck hes saying

[upper gulch]

what would make it essential to that person? irrationality isnt a universial for humans and humans innately have capacity for rationality so it is part of essence, two contradictory attributes cant both be fundamental so one that is more rational mean it has to be part of essence and its opposite have to be a accident unless you violate non contradiction

[fluid heron]

its so vague

[vast wren]

its his opinion

[fallow trellis]

an ideal biological human being has some sort of altruistic characteristic, doesnt mean that theyre kind

[upper gulch]

it isnt vague at all

im literally defining what words mean im using

[vast wren]

not all poeple have kindness and peace in their hearts

[upper gulch]

that is why malice is a accident not part of essence

[fallow trellis]

being kind is a broader quaity which includes not limited to considerate, friendly, hospitable

[fluid heron]

an ideal biological human reproduces as much as possible is in its peak in everything it does and lives as long as humanly possible

[vast wren]

it can if developed overtime

[upper gulch]

no

you cant change fundamental reality

a essence is fundamental reality that make something what it is

if you change something essence you change what it is

people that are hateful dont become non human because that

[fallow trellis]

the fact that you have to do it with another person, and have to take care of that offspring means there is in a sense altrusim amongst humans

not kindness

[idle veldt]

No I’m asking how do you know that being irrational IS NOT essential to that person, how do you know it’s a accident

[vast wren]

like the original cavemen, again, the original ones that killed others to survive that it became fundamentsl to them

[upper gulch]

they just have attributes that are not part of their essence

[upper gulch]

no it didnt

[idle veldt]

No wrong

[fluid heron]

most males in animals dont take care of their offspring either dying or just leaving

[upper gulch]

we have peacefulness now, so it couldnt become fundamental to them otherwise we wouldnt exist as their ancestors

we exist as humans and they were humans

[fallow trellis]

ah i see the females dont count as human beings

[upper gulch]

so their fundamental reality couldnt have change

[vast wren]

point is war can become funadmental to someone

[upper gulch]

i just explain why in that message

whole second part was explaining why

[fluid heron]

never said that for humans

we are predispoed to taking care of our young

[fallow trellis]

yes thats true

[idle veldt]

Well I’m more so asking “how do you know” all that

[fluid heron]

praying mantis the female will fucking rip off the head of the mating male

[fallow trellis]

because human offsprings are half baked compared to other animal offspring

[idle veldt]

Is that necessary tho

[upper gulch]

because law of non contradiction, and youre using rationality to ask how do i know that

[fluid heron]

fuck no

its just what they settled on

[fallow trellis]

the only do that if theres not enough food, which is almost always

[upper gulch]

that doesnt make it fundamental

just makes it part of situation

[idle veldt]

How do you KNOW people can’t have disparate essential traits

[fallow trellis]

they do it because sex for them is exhausting, so the female (much bigger btw) immediately looks for food

[vast wren]

yes peace is the essence but overtime if war is the only means of survival, it can become integrated as an essence to peace

[fallow trellis]

xalrider moment

[fallow trellis]

your confusing conflict with war

i dont engage in war with all of you guys everyday

[upper gulch]

because it would contradict reality,

if essence is fundamental reality that make something what it is, you cant have two fundamental contradicting attributes without violating law of non contradiction which then violates rationality and makes argument irrational and not valid for epistemology or rationality (obviously)

[fluid heron]

i would engage with war

with you

in the sheets.

[fallow trellis]

i was gonna say ofcourse you do

but then u just went freak bob

[idle veldt]

Yeah but sometimes I feel one thing, and other times something else

[upper gulch]

same attribute cant at same time belong to and not belong to same subject, if a essence contains two contradictory attributes it would violate law of non contradiction

[fluid heron]

call me genghis khan

[upper gulch]

that doesnt make it essential to your being

[idle veldt]

Yeah how do you know that

[vast wren]

argh I'm done with this

[idle veldt]

Like what evidence is there for that

[upper gulch]

because you dont feel it sometimes so that means that you wouldnt exist if you didnt feel it if it was fundamental to your being

[fluid heron]

pirate

argh!

[idle veldt]

I… don’t believe you

[vast wren]

I'm done debating with hippies

[idle veldt]

Like that doesn’t make sense internally

[fallow trellis]

dont ever call me that

[vast wren]

argh matey, gold and such

[upper gulch]

i can summarize

[fluid heron]

walk the plank

[idle veldt]

What if I feel irrational 90% of the time

And rational 10%

What am then

[fluid heron]

thats human nature

[upper gulch]

means you would not follow your essence and virtues

but youre asking different question

[fluid heron]

to be wrong to assume thats all human

you experience that regularly

[idle veldt]

Oh so you CAN contradict essence

[fluid heron]

its wired into your brain

[idle veldt]

Nature

[fallow trellis]

a woman?

[idle veldt]

Not yet Quinn, not yet

[fluid heron]

pattern seeking behavior

[upper gulch]

no because if you contradict it you just wouldnt exist and you clearly exist so means that its impossible to contradict it without contradicting your existance

[idle veldt]

If don’t follow my virtues and essence

Which you said is possible

[upper gulch]

yes

[idle veldt]

Then I stop existing

[vast wren]

australopithecus evolving into a primate was a mistake

[upper gulch]

no

not following something doesnt mean it isnt part of your fundamental being

[fallow trellis]

existence and non exisence are pretty fucking obvious

[upper gulch]

that is why accidents are distinct from essences

[fallow trellis]

but being racist and being based arent contradictory

[upper gulch]

you dont negate your essence (i.e. stop existing) by being rude even if kindness is part of your essence because capacity for virtue, kindness, rationality, etc. remain part of your essence so is a accidental deviation and not negating your essence

[fluid heron]

humans are born to hate and discriminate

just how it is

[fallow trellis]

what if i kill myself

[fluid heron]

im going to go jack it and go to bed

[idle veldt]

Wait so what’s the point

[fluid heron]

wake up and do it tommorow

[little mirage]

What do u jack to

[fluid heron]

and the next day

[fallow trellis]

then my conciousness is just an acciden

[upper gulch]

would go more into individual theology than something you could talk about with rationality or metaphysics

[fluid heron]

respect for women obviously

[idle veldt]

What does it matter if I can contradict my nature

[pale ingot]

ive been reading alongn to this conversation as i was waking up and i gotta say all yall are retarded kill yourselves

[little mirage]

Thats normal for brainfart

[upper gulch]

wdym

[fluid heron]

(vince mcmahon gesturing at his neck)

[little mirage]

I think u might be retarded if u just realized brainfart is retarded

[fallow trellis]

if i walk towards the sun and it completley obliterate my human body, is then my existence metaphysically as a human body just an accident

[pale ingot]

shut up hoe

[idle veldt]

I mean shit, if I can contradict my essence, and it doesn’t seem to do anything to me, what’s the point of setting that boundary

seems like it’s just air

[little mirage]

Estrogen hasnt come yet

[fallow trellis]

go buy some

[dapper flax]

estrogen drink tap water

[little mirage]

Its ordered and waiting

I am a programmer afterall

[upper gulch]

nothing for morality they just happen to explain parts of morality, assuming essences is more for metaphysics so that we can explain reality without it collapsing because without essences reality start to get all fucky

[fluid heron]

drink tap water flouridated reptilian fucking fed

[idle veldt]

But how do you know yampire

[ruby minnow]

why did the thief wear blue gloves?

so he couldn't get caught red handed

[little mirage]

I live in third world. I drink filtered water from a filter not tap

[upper gulch]

because you can put it into syllogism and it follows

[little mirage]

Shit will kill u

[idle veldt]

Seems like Aristotle just made a list of virtues and vices to map peoples personality

[ruby minnow]

radiation poisoning

[fluid heron]

shit would give me explosive diarhhea

[upper gulch]

im not a aristotelian

[little mirage]

Unironically true in some parts

[fluid heron]

my gut biome hasnt adapted to it

[upper gulch]

is just his language is common for metaphysics

[fallow trellis]

fuck aristotle

[ruby minnow]

mine has

it just pukes it out

[fluid heron]

onto something

[idle veldt]

Can you convince me he wasn’t just listing personality traits on a scale

[fluid heron]

puke out other cultures foods

it is incompatible with your gut biome

[upper gulch]

no because im not a aristotelian

[idle veldt]

Alright then

[upper gulch]

i dont really care what he thought morally

im just pointing out parts of essences that can align with morality

[fluid heron]

im going to drink gin and go to bed now

i hope you all have nightmares

[upper gulch]

ty

[spring quail]

this last hour in brainfart has made me want perms back for once