#🎪bruh-fart
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Can you start dreams where you want them to?
we wish
that's not even lucid dreaming anymore, that's just second life 
Idk
No, i can't
But i can creat scenes
I am very creative
I guess I fall asleep daydreaming, and the control carries over?
weed has been ruining my dreams, i only dream wierd shit and forget it very fast
Like, I used to dream of a massive arboreal jungle with mountains all around, tigers and shit sunning where they want.
Then I just run from there
I'm like
What?
The god of my own dreams.
When i lucid dream
Just imagine a whole world to yourself
free nitro
Yeah, that's about right
You are the god that dreams while living the dream
Because you are actually dreaming to be fair
usually I'll lucid dream by hijacking a dream i currently have 
make me appear
That's normal
there is another way?
Tbh
good way to train lucid dreaming is reguarly asking yourself if this moment right now is real, after some time, your asking this question in your dreams too and become conscious about them, gaining control in the process
I lucid dream by default
i mean everyone has their own ways, just gotta figure it out
depends some times i really gotta focus but sometimes its ez af
Since i am interested in mythical shit, wanna be badass and sexy and kinda just kick alot of ass i might just dream something....oddly looking real, but more then badass but crazy
And i mean i also know alot of entities that lurk in dark forests
Idk, fall asleep imagining your ideal weapon, how it should feel to use
Like actual things

I am the weapon. Fool.
We are forever durable.
You just need to get better
My slipped disk begs to differ
My legs and fists beg to differ too
My achilles tendonitis in both legs back me up
Just make a suit with extras
the nerve damage in my knee begs to differ
Some kinda assasination suit
what
need a sword or a big ass knife
A dagger.
I always wantet a dagger
Not a knife
Ot a sword
But a fucking dagger
or just get a gun ya fucking dork
Daggers are well... just for stabbing lol
That's why
not very versatile
if youre gonna get a stabber, get a good one like a gladius
gladius is better than some broad sword
Or like
what if you get trapped in a net and can't cut yourself loose bc you only have a dagger?
There was one knife i seen at a gun shop
stabbing > slashing
Stay woke kings. If she can text (LOL) without laughing than she can say I love you without meaning it. 2020 mood
How about a stick.
what net could a sword cut that a dagger couldnt?
That looked like a big huntin knife but a lil longer
I liked it
if its not bladed, then it aint a dagger its a jitte
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and jitte are defense tools
You mean a Sax?
What is a sex
polearms are objectively the most important type of weapon througout human history

daggers are not sharp, they are made for stabbing only
if you can reach your enemy and they cant reach you. you won
Spear, Bow
maybe shit daggers
Other than the bow and the gun, maybe
a smart man fines multiple uses for 1 tool
that is the definition of a dagger
You want spear? Knife, rope, stick
Oh boy a tier 3 artifact i wonder what it does
ok nevermind you are right
a woodwind instrument often made of brass
Hm...
woodwind
made out of brass
how come?
trombone for losers
I didn't ask you degenerates
I asked senor torres
old viking dagger/knife
your mouth dont got on a metal bit so its woodwind
Why do i like so many fucking old weapons so much
damn i didn't know that
so basically a gladius lol
bc old weapons are cool
Yes they are
nah gladius is sharp on both sides
sax is not
hold up i will show you my small collection
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naginata
now the objectively greatest weapon ever is the naginata
The naginata (なぎなた, 薙刀) is a pole weapon and one of several varieties of traditionally made Japanese blades (nihontō). Naginata were originally used by the samurai class of feudal Japan, as well as by ashigaru (foot soldiers) and sōhei (warrior monks). The naginata is the iconic weapon of the onna-musha, a type of female warrior belonging to the...
yall got lame weapons ngl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx
falx supremacy
bro that looks like the shit used to cut grain
It's called a scythe smartass
i'd be terrified ||if i was made of straw||
Get it right dumbo
i was referring to the sickle actually
Atleast i know that
you fucking gogurt monkey
nah it was great for cutting into your trapezeus muscle and shields
Their almost the same
kinda wonky tho
So it doesn't matter
nowadays a similiar one is used for just cutting branches on trees here atleast
thats like saying the sword and spear are almost the same
you're right, but shut up
Hehe
speaking of something tangentially related: viking helmets didnt have horns
Hmm
and viking was a occupation
theres only a tiny handful of genuine helmets, and non had horns or were designed to hold horns
@abstract path water bottle for size
I can believe that
Made the knifes myself
yea, just like imperialism is
"im strong enough to take your shit, and i want your shit, so im taking it" job
It's beautiful
based
Good old Tomahawk, even has a glass breaker at the bottom
can that bottom one grate cheese?
I love the tomahawk
It's like a hatchet and an axe
Not too big not too tiny
Made Out of a hoof rasp thats why it Looks Like that
Ideal for throwing and thrusting
haven't had a cut in nearly 2 years
True
also talking bout knifes prolly will buy this one to abuse in woodwork and whatever
https://www.marttiini.fi/epages/MarttiiniShop.sf/fi_FI/?ObjectPath=/Shops/MarttiiniShop/Products/578019
might put in like 20e more for a better one since i need one for military service
but ill see
wait they don't give you one?
iirc they do but like with most items its better to buy one yourself
boots, gloves etc
Imma just make a glove that has a tiny knife in it
looks soild
Whyyy
God
Rules can sometimes go to hell
Is there anything i can do about such a thing?
Fuck the rules
rules are meant to be broken
just don't get caught
don't take this as legal advise
what do you mean?
Generaly all hidden blades are illegal
-^- heh
you can even own black powder guns in germany without licence
just can't buy the black powder without a licence lol
yes xD
"But not with the clothes on! That would be illegal"
you can run from the police /break out of prison and don't get time for it. Bc the right for freedom is a human right 
reminds me of a guy i knew walking through Berlin after he picked up a bastard sword from the forge, had it on his shoulder and no sheath
🤝
That would be stealing
Yes exactly
did he get the cops called on him?
But what if i return it later?
yuuup
Then it would be leasing
A streak of breakouts
i knew it lol
he wasn't the brightest
Just what i thought about 
Hope they keep your underpants on
you will be slippery
i was talking about breaking out of prison
I know 
It just randomly came up
Anyway
I wonder what happens when u tell a cop you broke out
you get back in jail for the rest of your time lol
- maybe extra time for crimes commited during your breakout
you tricked the system
they will get annoyed catching you all the time
Prison was not fun, wasn't even allowed to fucking smoke
Yeah i mean my father is a narcisstic genius
I learned from him
Then my mother being genius too
You can imagine that i can be a threat
To society, if not humanity
bruh
i'm just imagining you as a little girl saying: i am very dangerous
oh yeah sure you are little one
pats head
-~-

keep it that way lol
if you wanna be menacing, you gotta do it properly
And...how
Doing it makes us....weak
comes naturally for me, I'm 6'4, jacked as fuck, and got a homemade baseball bat
I mean i have a very fine walk and i can do alot of stuff
First of all, eat more, get shredded, practice your death look
I just need to learn to somehow deal with my fucking STRESS...
nothing is scarrier then a 6'4 mute tomboy running towards you
...why would i like that
Like i said, Small steps. Its the small things. Its incredible how much cleaning your room/ flat can change
healthy diet and stuff
;^;
I can't really keep track of that in a chaotic household
I mean...it isn't that chaotic anymore
Giving up before you try
Ah yes, my vocation
No excuses. You are just hurting yourself with that.
Be strong, for yourself
Wow....huh
I mean sure others look up to me but
Is it really making me weak?
Best you can ultimately do is be better than yesterday
to go on the grind you gotta ball first, looking down on yourself and excuses is pussy shit
be realistic
no, wait how did we get to that. i just wanted you to clean your room lol

Did i think too far?
yeah you kinda confused me lol
Show your steps, this is mental math class
Sorry
all good
Sometimes though i realisef
Saying sorry is tolerance but also sorta weakness in a way
the least you can do*
depends

ok jordan peterson
Make me
if you did something wrong and say sorry, that is true strenght
@slim osprey
Sometimes it feels wrong
but saying sorry for something you didn't do or is not your fault is weakness
cropol bacc?
Hey at least take me out on a date first
It generally feels weak
But then again, my guilt feeling will kill me from inside
If i don't
I am back from laying on the floor
id gladly do so
nothing weak about admitting your wrongdoings. It takes a lot of strenght to admit you are wrong and apologize
me!
Saying no is also a strength
Or....bwing abke to atleast
But always saying no is just being stubborn as SHIT
Yes, a very important one. Humans are ass. And they will abuse you if they know you can't say no
...even parents
yes, which is very sad. But hey the world sucks
Well, the stronger survive
^
the stronger try to make it better. Maybe you will have kids someday and do it better
And i kinda...also help the weak, i support them...or try to
But if they still fall, I'll leave it up to then
Because
One thing i learned from a fed is
If they don't want you to help them
Then let someone else do it for you
you can only help someone if they want to be helped. if they want change. Everything else is wasted time
I thought you liked me
no one does
i do
mf forgot i was bi
For example a friend of mine is very...pessimistic
And then he is even bein stubborn about that
Can't help that at all
ok so whats the deal behind this i havent watched evangelion
whats the hype with shinji and the other girls
Idk
No idea honestly
older mother like character with alcoholism and mental issues
shes actually a pedo so idk why people are obsessed with her
whats not to like
promising to fuck a 13 year old boy is something to not like very much
i mean Misato is like a teacher or whatever right, she is older than the rest
he has to fall on his face really hard to realize that this mindset will not get him far. Or he will never realize it and die a sad lonely death
like much older
The other characters tho, they are children
Yeah she is older
She serves as a teacher/parent figure
He will die a stupid, sad and not so lonely lucky death
yall mfs dont care about pedophiles as long as they milfs smh
And he will most likely think "yep, i deserved that"
no i hate pedophiles
Never said her being a pedophile was alright
no but generally that trumps literally everything else about the person
Internet mfs don't think like that
you do? tell me more
And you know it
They are willing to look past anything if the character is hot or whatever
ah yes because the internet is perfectly calm and rational about pedos
Hell they even do it with real life serial killers
that shit will not get him far. But hey what can you do. Depression is real
Pedophiles when they enter any neighborhood with sane people
Even for me, but that never quite stopped me tbh
I never noticed it
Noticed what? Depression?
Yeah, my depression
Unironically, I used to be pretty depressed, at some point I was sick of being depressed, thought, fuck it we ball, and started working out, never felt better in my entire fucking life
I look down on life sometimes
But then i look up again because fuck it
Dreams can come true
The sky is beautiful
:>
Return to monke
of course you don't realize it if you don't know it any other way. Was the same for me. Depressive since 10 years old and always thought its normal to not want to live.
nah the sky is fucking polluted
The ocean is pretty but disgusting too
Hahahaha....man, same
It was really deep into my uncoscious thoughts doe
Is this a support group I didnt know I was a part of
Me and @heady crow
Love the pfp
She never said that
Get your facts straight
yeah it takes a while to realize that this shit in not normal
na it's just plain ol brainfart
she said "when you get back well do the rest later" after kissing him. I mean
And i wantet to study psychology bruv
oh yea kissing him on the mouth and saying theres more to come afterwards definitely implies something else
Fuckin imagine
cope
SA, Harassment, who has bingo
more to come
She never said that
Gets your facts straight
I'm sorry falco but you fell off on this one, she implied sex with Shinji
lmao
That looks badass
me. Wish you were that girl thatd ruin my life
She never implied sex
Get your facts straight
I am not a girl
she did
gender does not matter in this case
You're not using the exact phrasing
suck it idc
i love how i asked out of curiosity and now imma leave u with this argument
idc that im not using the exact phrasing
suck it idc
Misato’s death from the movie ‘end of evangelion’
I got fucking video evidence
I don't care about spoilers
i studied social work, work now in a workplace for disabled ppl but i think i will try something else. Maybe work in a mental hospital and try to help ppl
also nice selfreact bozo
I'm sure nobody will care
real
behaviour
You too? Blyat, maybe i should have done the same thing tbf
oh no the whitename reacted with soyjack
rather have no name than be a janny
He can suck it idc
there is still time
and theres the janny comment 
you are 17
why does it skip forward weirdly
you have your whole life ahead of you
i cant tell if you like that line or if it pissed you off
Idk, it was the first vid I found
Neither do I about you 👀
what
If you like to suck it idc
Yeah imma have to do like, 1 year as a social worker who gets like....idk how much
Worth the effort doe
it seems like i struck a nerve a bit
money does not matter if it makes you happy
Truly
Sorry guys I need a moment..
i mean thats not what youre parroting

If i wanna study psychology
need a hug bro?
Parroting? What am I, a bird?
now now leave the parrots out of this you
...yeah
you can do it
What the fuck
well then feel yourself hugged🤝
all this because of evangelion
thats par-rot dingus
I mean you can always suck it idc
i did upset him lol
Pretty hard when your life missed out alot of affection for yourself....
nice block
Instead you gave the affection to others who needed it
While you actually needed it more...
story of my life lol
is this still about evangelion? The lines are blurred

It's a nice thing to do, but it just fucks you up anyway ,_,
I really am not but you can still suck it idc
gives you a nice feeling for a moment, but improving yourself is better.
because some mfs got a pedo waifu
Never will anyway
Then again.
I need a rest...
dont help people when it becomes detrimental to yourself
imagine having any waifus at all
trust me i got fixer syndrome, i understand the need to help others
Who blocked who?
but it wont help yourself
I know i am strong
true
george blocked me , idk. cant react to his posts
But i did already do enough
He can still suck it then idc
@grizzled meadow
dont take it personally, i just block people who post cringe stuff so i dont see it while im scrolling for memes on my lunch break
Even fuckin tarot cards telling me to rest bro
ok
or post booba
real
This is true
Yes please
I treat many boys like that
Real
don't listen to that shit lol thats the same as fucking as those wierd magic rocks
real
You know what I don't understand? And this is really stupid
They block people, to not read messages from those people
BUT THEY STILL READ MESSAGES AND EVEN ANSWER THEM
They literally click on "view message"
He could just suck it idc
The magic rocks are a whole different story to me
What if we started fight club in real life?
"he could just suck it idc" 
I block people so they can't react to me
Because I don't like em
Rather do runes with your own blood. That is way cooler
Tbh, i just do those tarot cards for like fuckin life advice
work on your reading comprehension
yeah but what if instead of fighting other guys we cuddle
What if we do both?
Oh, yeah
You can do daily runes
i concur
he really hates that i said that lmao
We fight guys and we cuddle
Like that actually exists
Imagine being so bothered by a reaction though...
Work on your suck it idc
letting people react to your posts might lend them a sense of power
I'm actually laughing but suck it idc
my dad really was into Viking stuff and runes. Even named me after Thor lol
its fun to take what little power these people have away
I'm not, I just like that little feature of the block
Lmao
Bro he just like me fr
yea thats why youre repeating it and definetly not malding rn

You'll never take the power of suck it idc
suck what?
Dicks
even had a thors Hammer necklace. That shit was awesome
GOTEM
is the sexual harassment from a mod?
Balls
I'm malding and seething and coping and sucking it idc
TESTICLES EVEN
Broooo.....i want that too
My power, is lost, but at least I can suck it idc
bon appletit
you like sucking it huh falco?
buy one its that ez lol
what you guys having for breakfast
i do believe a moderator is this here discord channel is sexually harassing me
cigarettes
usually quark with some muesli
Breakfast? its fucking 11pm
Mate
I just had an idea
Thors hammer but made out of a crystal and a rune on it
🥴
you live in a wrong timezone
You're the one who's making it sexual, not me, I'm just repeating what you said
So you can just suck it idc
yes pleaze🥺
yea, youre parroting
ah
so he was a viking fanboy before it was trendy
oh mate
my bad
sound cool, but i think crystal would break. Or its really hard to make it right. But damn go for it. Do that shit yourself
mb
never had mate myself but any mate outside of latin america is shit anyway
can you even afford a fucking lawyer 💀
no you are wrong
so i don't even bother
...fun
mate is fucking disgusting tbh
Tbh i agree
i can afford your house
tastes like ashtray lol
I miss that dude who just posted this gif
I hope your pillow is never cold on both sides
bob?
I don't like ashes
see you keep suggesting to suck it, but what is it?
So you are saying i would break?
where is it?
i hope you get your sleeves wet while washing your hands
how is it?
it's here
mate you cant even afford to live in a second world country
How dare you
Why do you not like mate tho?
of course he has a berserk shirt
@heady crow
i have no clue, but i think so. Give it a try. Then you know lol
Was it Bob?
Oh god lmfao 
me and your dms
iirc ye
I mean
Thinking about getting broken, kinda....another feeling
just don't like the taste, kinda bitter kinda sweet. its just not for me. But i only drink water so everything with taste that isn't coffee or tea is just wrong for me
Ah fair enough
(when you tell them second world doesnt refer to how well the economy is, but only the type of economy)
the hell even is mate
you are not supposed to make the necklace out of yourself
Now imagine mixing them and creating the beverage of the gods
george is probably british
i mean that aint too bad
ah yes, the weeds
This is obscure even for me
The One Piece is real?
How about we make it out of bones then?
tea made out of pine branch tips is boomin so
THE ONE PIECE!!!!!
can we get much higher
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!
petty
Of course
THE ONE PIECE IS REEEAAALLLLL
Thats a classic but you have to clean the bones really well
🪳
🍆
True
I also have
Fucking
Hog teeth
I actually have hog teeth
built different
built with hog teeth
how big are they?
the fuck is a cm
that's a 100% variation
i be waking up REAL EARLY to have extra time to suck it idc
but suck what falco
what is it
Where is it?
Ask George, I'm just suck it idc
wait i thought I WAS the one to suck it idc
who the ufck is to suck it idc
You told me first to suck it
hmmm can't do that much with that, or drill a hole and put it on a necklace. A thorshammer in the middle and hog teeth on the side could be cool
idk he seems to have a negative opinion of "sucking" "it"
This is @heady crow
prolly best not to ask
It indeed would
but then you told me to suck it idc
i have shark teeth i just rememberd lol
for a couple of guys you guys sure do like talking about sucking
Yoooo
got them from a flea market
Yeah but sucking what tho?
Crystal changed bio
My work here is done
the chat is 100% queer apart from falco
What is it
bro im tryna get my soul sucked out BAD
I didn't?

It was different
When tho
weird way to take a screenshot
In reality you and the others have created a circlejerk in which I'm not included
my god
nah it didn't change i am 100% sure
You could always just act gay) with the homies
straigtcels seething over queerchads
I think our sweet stone shop has some too for some reason
Real
take the bi-pill
Literally @ionic hatch
why do you not have any shark teeth is the question???
how about you take some schizopills and ritalin first
I took the frying pan pill
i dont like men, i just have a problem wanting to dominate everyone
We don't have a sea close by 
based
Only a forest
All this talk about tomboy gfs and you fuckers get scared when a woman shows up
yeah...
yes im shy🥺
yeah
you buy them. or do you want to fight a shark for its teeth. Well and we don't have any sharks lol
theyve never seen one before
Hi Shy, I'm @slim osprey
h-hi @slim osprey, u-uwu nya nya


yes 
yknow the irl astolfo is spinning so fast in his grave that he's beginning to produce light
weird coming from you because i just saw your mother last night
I think getting called daddy in public is better than that
yep 100%
Real
whats your obsession with my mother? What, you like fat ladies? Gross
yes
Except both men and women want me
I agree.
sad!
real
based
but tbh getting called daddy is a huge turn off
reminder that the obese are not people
Time for another trial
you think your mother doesn't deserve happiness?
It is a kink for some people and a turn off for others
shes plenty happy with my fatass dad watching breaking bad reruns
yes i know how kinks work 
I agree
Okay I had to make sure
America moment btw
Real
a kink for people with bad relationships with their father. turn off for normal people
Wasn't talking to you bud
why shouldn't i drink a beer.... i should drink a beer
you are now
It's okay if mommy and daddy don't give you enough attention, but I won't give you any more of mine
Cant spell thug without hug
self declared normal people when i sneak into their house and kidnap their pet and steal all their belongings
💀
Thx for nothing i guess
im not the one who wants to be called daddy 
You're reminding me of moments i wanna live omfg
You’re most welcome dearie
What a lovely day
Those ain't got shit on otorrinonaringologo
- I dont need head from a crazy bitch with daddy issues and colored hair
impossible to say
i hoped for him to get called daddy and just leaving
you wish ill on other people?

that a compound word?
compound fracture
What's a compound word?
Are you illiterate?
a word made up of 2 or more words
No
they usually have hyphens tho
its slang specific to your area
what the old man said
It's a single word
i am
or your compound ig
will you teach me
no

It's a spanish word used to refer to a certain type of doctor
I can't remember the exact term rn
otorrinolaryngologist
Gosh
Dick doctor?
ay if youre not a furry whats with the pfp
Hey also
Yeah that one
I've only been taught bad words in spanish
the ears-nose-throat doctor
Mhm
@somber warren last advice for the day today perhaps?
do drugs
ah bet bcs finnish has long ass compound words like epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydellänsäkäänköhän
What the fuck
uh the correct spelling is otorhino in english, according to google
Friend of mine made it for me, i originaly wanted a smoking cat and thats what he did. but i like it
went to one and they shoved a tube up my nostril and sprayed hot water into my throat 💀
dont make yourself uncomfortable for the comforts of others
translation is "I wonder if – even with his/her quality of not having been made non-systematized"
hmmmmmmmmm answer not accepted, youre a furry
That's...kinda obvious, but thanks
ah yes, government-sanctioned torture that we pay for
youd be surprised
shit was expensive too
we're willing to sacrifice a bit of ourselves for others without knowing it
you gotta be ever vigilant
sac

i love finnish
Well i am comfy with other people so there is more comfort believe me
hmmmm. Talk to your friends about your feelings. that shit helps a lot and your friends can support you. They can't support you if they don't know
i love you 😳
I love finnish males (they look like girls)
Feelings....what feelings?
why did you bother to ask anyways
Don't be edgy everyone has feelings
genuine curiosity followed by my inability to not meme
- suck it idc
No like...specifics
what do you mean?
He just like me
Understandable, Have a good day
ksdsdsjjhjdsddfgsdsdjghjsjk
😳
no shit, i met that dude at a reptile expo in oklahoma. hes got rad ball pythons
Full Yakuza up in here
I guess i just don't know about what feelings to talk about
idk if you're serious
I nees to learn how to express myself in....words
for once, i am
Bottoms, you both
did he googa ginga you
🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭
Cry harder
Me too?
of course! (after i asked)
You are a minor, I won't make a comment
Ayo
Ok -~-
🥺 🥺
Ain't risking it, even if they are 17 almost 18
limao
ever been to therapy? That shit helped me so much to learn how to express myself and talk about my feelings. Well and everyone fucks like bunny rabbits there lol
God damn
who reacted🥺
You gonna tell us who that is?
God
Welp
Time to hook up my old therapist
Stealing gifs I see
everyone
be careful with therapy tho
A good one to that
y-you 👉 👈 😳
it ended up being more harm than good for myself
Didn't know this was a banned word 
this is retarded
you can call me that🥺
W*hre
go for it, maybe even try group therapy. That makes you more comfortable with talking before a few ppl about your feelings. and you can learn a lot from the other ppl in therapy (not the therapist) you can talk to them and give each other tips
i hate poros
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741945274901200897/829735884597231676/speed.gif
falco when he cant suck it idc
Is there any name to that
@grizzled meadow
Finally a new version of this meme
What about erp tho?
Rules were meant to be broken anyways
except dave grohl, everyone is a disgusting pig in comparison to dave grohl
Maybe something like: Tagesklinik or something like that. But like every mental hospital has these groups you can sign up for.
Just google a bit and see if there is anything like that near to you
Gee.....then to that the trans thing
God...why do i need to go there
There are femboys in vrchat?
I feel guilty now
oh you dont even know
all of them
I think its only them
More then like
Downloading vrchat rn
why? cliche but its 2022 no one gives a fuck lol
Idk, 50% are fembois
Real
more like 99
The e-sex about to get nasty 
I guess
bet. Bout to hop on myself
need to be drunk for that tho
Real
I guess without the therapy i won't get anything done
ong vrchat intoxicated is funny asf when you have no idea whats going on half the time and youre talking to some german car system maker
havent tried it sober thankfully
but sober vrchat is kinda pathetic
see. you just made the first step. Congrats
I haven't even tried vrchat
smart man
How long is it gonna take..?
i lost a friend to vr chat
its cool if you got friends into it. I have several with full body tracking etc so its fun messing around
otherwise eh

