╟⚒stalker2™-mods-making-discussion

[fervent stratus]

it crashed with the pak btw

[crisp bolt]

can you send me your changes to get it to launch?

[fervent stratus]

not really idk wanna p2p?

its 7gb

else you can do it yourself

just unpak chunk0

place some files from billy in unpaked

repak

its also one of the things i believe might do something if you do the same for the blueprint? idk

all i know is if you delete cache it will run for longer on startup before crash

[crisp bolt]

why does my pakchunk-0 not want to unpak

ok got it to work

unpak*

I wanna check out the population activity tab

I'm gonna cook with this see if I can get it to work, Billy might of found a unique way to port in plugins with paking

granted

having to mess with a 7gb file is not fun.

@thick widget

billy

[tidal yew]

Wait how did you get into the cutscene

I can't even get into the cutscene

[fervent stratus]

i get a solid 30sec each startup

[tidal yew]

It's not a unique way, it's a cheap and dirty way that doesn't work because I think the pak files need to be properly serialized and indexed or something

And that's assuming the test executable doesn't read shit differently

Because it does, the shipping executable has none of these crashes

the repacked pakchunk0 works perfectly on shipping

[fervent stratus]

flic there is nothing there

i also tried to copy to clipboard but didnt copy anything

[crisp bolt]

its cause you're in quest priority

maybe?

[fervent stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

who knows

lemme drop in the skip prologue mod

[crisp bolt]

if you look at the top you have not generated a scenario yet

well empty as a placeholder scenario

but after 60 seconds it should start spawning stuff

[fervent stratus]

950 active agents

yet population empty

950 kek

aint no way

[crisp bolt]

Nah I think its true

The controller is always active

[tidal yew]

Lmao, you're missing A LOT of game

[crisp bolt]

there are 2 directors

the one we see and use the controller

[crisp bolt]

I was thinking the same thing LOL

[tidal yew]

Reminds me of my attempt at running the 1.0.2 testing exe on 1.1.4

[fervent stratus]

oke skip prologue dont work

crashes before everything is loaded

[tidal yew]

It was pretty damn wild, the game was basically just running on pakchunk 0 and 15

[crisp bolt]

btw you can load

Billys files in a mod

I got in

[tidal yew]

Oh I tried, the game reads it but then ignores it

[tidal yew]

WAIT WHAT HOW

[crisp bolt]

no

I'm in

lol

[tidal yew]

How?!

[fervent stratus]

cap

i couldnt either

[crisp bolt]

try it

[fervent stratus]

i couldnt with that either

[crisp bolt]

its new

try it

[fervent stratus]

well i already got 0

ill try it in shipping

get the exe and that

fingers crossed its the only dif

spoiler it isnt

prob

[crisp bolt]

with only loading as mod

[tidal yew]

Damn shit, still getting the indexing problem

Serialization

Sorry

[fervent stratus]

kek

it loads

even on shipping

drop test exe and the pak

[tidal yew]

How the fuck does this work, I tried it before, it loaded, but just didn't work

[fervent stratus]

its saying dev build 1.2.1

instead of 1.2.0

[tidal yew]

Because it reads the game version inside the files

[fervent stratus]

it loads yeah but doesnt boot up on shipping, stuck on loading prob due to that error? idk

anyways yeah pak works

[crisp bolt]

if u want to see how I set it up

[tidal yew]

Oh I see

But have you been able to boot into a new game?

[crisp bolt]

[2025.02.17-18.00.19:838][545]LogTemp: In function UGlobalVariableManager.OnChanged on line 175: Global variable RSQ07_VoroninQuest changed
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:864][546]LogTemp: In function UGlobalVariableManager.OnChanged on line 175: Global variable RSQ10_BarmenQuest changed
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:865][546]LogTemp: In function UGlobalVariableManager.OnChanged on line 175: Global variable RSQ04_DrabadansQuests changed
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogStreaming: Warning: Missing Dependency, missing script import 0x183A3768E9F6AB05 for package /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogStreaming: Error: CreateExport: /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human (0x73410B81014C2920) /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human (0x73410B81014C2920) - Could not find template object for FlyCorridorDebug
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogProperty: Warning: Serialized Class /Script/Stalker2.NPCWetnessComponent for a property of Class /Script/Engine.SceneComponent. Reference will be nullptred.
Property = WeakObjectProperty /Script/Stalker2.Agent:SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments.SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments

This is where the error starts

some side quest

random side quest

[tidal yew]

No no

[crisp bolt]

it is though?

[546]

[2025.02.17-18.00.19:864][546]LogTemp: In function UGlobalVariableManager.OnChanged on line 175: Global variable RSQ10_BarmenQuest changed
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:865][546]LogTemp: In function UGlobalVariableManager.OnChanged on line 175: Global variable RSQ04_DrabadansQuests changed
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogStreaming: Warning: Missing Dependency, missing script import 0x183A3768E9F6AB05 for package /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogStreaming: Error: CreateExport: /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human (0x73410B81014C2920) /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human (0x73410B81014C2920) - Could not find template object for FlyCorridorDebug
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogProperty: Warning: Serialized Class /Script/Stalker2.NPCWetnessComponent for a property of Class /Script/Engine.SceneComponent. Reference will be nullptred.
Property = WeakObjectProperty /Script/Stalker2.Agent:SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments.SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments
Item = NPCWetnessComponent /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human.Default__BP_AI_Human_C:WetnessComponent
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogProperty: Warning: Serialized Class /Script/Stalker2.S2TargetMeleeSectorComponent for a property of Class /Script/Engine.SceneComponent. Reference will be nullptred.
Property = WeakObjectProperty /Script/Stalker2.Agent:SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments.SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments
Item = S2TargetMeleeSectorComponent /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human.Default__BP_AI_Human_C:MeleeSectorComponent
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogProperty: Warning: Serialized Class /Script/Stalker2.MovementComponentExt for a property of Class /Script/Engine.SceneComponent. Reference will be nullptred.
Property = WeakObjectProperty /Script/Stalker2.Agent:SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments.SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments
Item = MovementComponentExt /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human.Default__BP_AI_Human_C:MovementComponentExt
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogProperty: Warning: Serialized Class /Script/Stalker2.ObjWaterContactController for a property of Class /Script/Engine.SceneComponent. Reference will be nullptred.
Property = WeakObjectProperty /Script/Stalker2.Agent:SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments.SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments
Item = ObjWaterContactController /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human.Default__BP_AI_Human_C:WaterContactController
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:871][546]LogProperty: Warning: Serialized Class /Script/Stalker2.AttackComponent for a property of Class /Script/Engine.SceneComponent. Reference will be nullptred.
Property = WeakObjectProperty /Script/Stalker2.Agent:SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments.SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments
Item = AttackComponent /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human.Default__BP_AI_Human_C:AttackComponent
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:872][546]LogProperty: Warning: Serialized Class /Script/Stalker2.PoseSearchLocomotionCharacterMovementComponent for a property of Class /Script/Engine.SceneComponent. Reference will be nullptred.
Property = WeakObjectProperty /Script/Stalker2.Agent:SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments.SpawnInvisibilityWarmupAttachments
Item = PoseSearchLocomotionCharacterMovementComponent /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human.Default__BP_AI_Human_C:CharMoveComp
[2025.02.17-18.00.19:872][546]LogWindows: Error: appError called: Fatal error: [File:Unknown] [Line: 1568]
ObjectSerializationError: /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human (0x73410B81014C2920) /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human (0x73410B81014C2920) - BP_AI_Human_C /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human.Default__BP_AI_Human_C: Bad export index 59114239/39.

[tidal yew]

Mine crashes at a different point lmao

[crisp bolt]

my pak also includes the script change

[fervent stratus]

[2025.02.17-17.56.25:813][998]LogWwiseMonitor: Error: Source starvation Name: 440711854 GO: 1883667544640
[2025.02.17-17.56.47:125][998]LogStreaming: Warning: Missing Dependency, missing script import 0x183A3768E9F6AB05 for package /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human
[2025.02.17-17.56.47:125][998]LogStreaming: Error: CreateExport: /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Final/BP_AI_Human (0x73410B81014C2920) /Game/GameLite/Blueprints/Characters/NPC/Fi

[crisp bolt]

did you try it with the pak?

[fervent stratus]

same

[lean oar]

was there another stealth patch?

[fervent stratus]

no

[crisp bolt]

so we're getting further it seems?

[fervent stratus]

no its always been that one for me

since i managed to get it to run

[lean oar]

I'm so confused, my map just looks different from yesterday and I didn't change a thing

[fervent stratus]

with the clouds removed is normal

classic gsc fuckup

[lean oar]

huh, first time i've come across this

[tidal yew]

Lmao it's so funny how all three of us get different crashes, but each one is for BP_AI_Human

[fervent stratus]

no i get the same as you?

wait no you are right

[tidal yew]

Flic gets his during some sort of sidequest loading, I get it during unique NPCs being loaded in, and you get it whenever you do

[fervent stratus]

LogTemp: In function UGlobalVariableManager.OnChanged on line 175: Global variable Bolt_Action_Blocked changed

wtf bolt

wait why you dont got the async

LogStreaming: Display: FlushAsyncLoading(-1): 87 QueuedPackages, 1338 AsyncPackages

[tidal yew]

We all get Async

[fervent stratus]

must be else wtf

i wouldnt be able to explain that hha

[tidal yew]

Regardless, what the hell is causing this?

[crisp bolt]

trying something with the BP from release

[fervent stratus]

what is the common denominator

bp ai human

[crisp bolt]

I'll send it 1 sec

it crashed btw

[thick widget]

You should compare the old debug builds human bp with the current version bet

It’s different

[fervent stratus]

its all bp ai human

and all wetnesscomponent

[crisp bolt]

I need a new umap

[tidal yew]

It shouldn't be.

[thick widget]

What I’m wondering is is there’s debug instructions missing

[tidal yew]

There is FlyCorridorDebug which I have never heard of, and can't find anywhere. FlyCorridor is a GSC plugin, but never heard of a debug thing.

[fervent stratus]

BP_AI_HUMAN
FlyCorridorDebug
Script import

those 3

[crisp bolt]

I can't get past the feet land crash yet.

[tidal yew]

I get a feet land + PDA sound :D

[crisp bolt]

Yeah I get feet land and bam lol

Should we just start ripping pak-0 from the old debug? Mainly the serialization

[fervent stratus]

we should get the script for the import first

missing script import 0x183A3768E9F6AB05

billy: missing script import 0x183A3768E9F6AB05

FLIC: missing script import 0x183A3768E9F6AB05

[crisp bolt]

Ok

[fervent stratus]

all 3 have this very same missing script

its a dependency for that bp i guess? so just like the ee

exe

it hangs cus its missing it

now it could be an unreleased or internal script used for testing and not in this depot at all? idk

idk where else the script might come from

[crisp bolt]

shay

dm

[tidal yew]

I doubt it would change anything because this is a new executable built for testing this patch

Fuck, actually what if this shit only works on the Epic Games version of the game

[fervent stratus]

hell naw

we gotta find that script

and its export

[crisp bolt]

thats release for ref.

[fervent stratus]

thats the test depot

[crisp bolt]

😮

mine won't open the test one

[fervent stratus]

no flags

[crisp bolt]

it's in pakchunk 16

[fervent stratus]

yeah i know

but its a utoc

idk the tool for that

and the only difference is the flags

[crisp bolt]

why does yours not show the flags

but mine does

[fervent stratus]

same depot?

test?

[crisp bolt]

yeah

[fervent stratus]

you sure?

some fuckery going on here

AYO

[crisp bolt]

left is release

right is test

[fervent stratus]

the flycorridor plugin is in test

@tidal yew

[crisp bolt]

god Ultrawide is so nice

[tidal yew]

It was always there since 1.0

[crisp bolt]

think we can trick it with the Modio.ini?

[CommonSettings]
SourcePath=Plugins/Modio/Content/UI/Localization
DestinationPath=Plugins/Modio/Content/UI/Localization
ManifestName=Modio.manifest
ArchiveName=Modio.archive
PortableObjectName=Modio.po
ResourceName=Modio.locres
NativeCulture=en
CulturesToGenerate=en

[GatherTextStep0]
CommandletClass=GatherTextFromSource
SearchDirectoryPaths=Plugins/Modio/Source/ModioUI
FileNameFilters=.cpp
FileNameFilters=.h
FileNameFilters=.c
FileNameFilters=.inl
FileNameFilters=.mm
FileNameFilters=.ini
FileNameFilters=*.csv
ShouldGatherFromEditorOnlyData=false

[GatherTextStep1]
CommandletClass=GatherTextFromAssets
IncludePathFilters=Plugins/Modio/Content/*
ExcludePathFilters=Plugins/Modio/Content/UI/Localization/*
PackageFileNameFilters=.uasset
PackageFileNameFilters=.umap

[GatherTextStep2]
CommandletClass=GenerateGatherManifest

[GatherTextStep3]
CommandletClass=GenerateGatherArchive

[GatherTextStep4]
CommandletClass=InternationalizationExport
bImportLoc=true

[GatherTextStep5]
CommandletClass=GenerateTextLocalizationResource

[GatherTextStep6]
CommandletClass=InternationalizationExport
bExportLoc=true

[crisp bolt]

yeah idk man hard stuck on that BP

I got it to load past that BP but then it failed on a lightbulb BP

[2025.02.17-19.25.49:230][223]LogTemp: Warning: In function FBodyAppearanceModelComponent.PickHead on line 1348: Character has generated head item with SID Light_Neutral_Helmet, but mesh generator has no appropriate appearance for head. Contact Vadym Ternovoy or Vladislav Pilianski

sure whats their email

Maybe the exe is just not able to see the refs?

[fervent stratus]

hahha lets search them up

[crisp bolt]

my debug has a typo

what the fuck

[fervent stratus]

im eating atm so after that its diving in again

[crisp bolt]

yeah I'm slow picking my crash log apart

I am at GameMode is MainMenu

LogLoad: Game class is 'MainMenuGameMode'

[crisp bolt]

shay

in the old debug build can you go to \Engine\Binaries\Win64 and send me the crashreport client and tbb.dll

[tidal yew]

Haha same here

Oh btw it just happened

I think that this applies to all BPs

[crisp bolt]

yeah I think so too

[tidal yew]

Well, some load fine

But a lot get missing dependencies

[fervent stratus]

is it scripts?

cant we like load in without alife

wasnt there an alife off thingy

nah its prob the static shit

that spawns in hubs

[crisp bolt]

It will still call for those files though

[crisp bolt]

#╟⚒stalker2™-mods-making-discussion message

[tidal yew]

Idk what you'll do with the bugtrap but uh go ahead

It's a worse version

[fervent stratus]

oh boy where to even begin with this tbh

like the error starts with dependency and missing scripts

where are these scripts then?

anyone got a stalker 2 save thats made on a version after pre order?

[tidal yew]

How about going full nuclear :DDdd

[crisp bolt]

I'm already starting to do that

but I will try those next.

[tidal yew]

sent the wrong blueprints

[crisp bolt]

I got it to launch on current patch but crashed on lightbulb

[fervent stratus]

same

[lean oar]

y'all doing some voodoo shit to get this to run

it's truly fascinating

[crisp bolt]

one of us is bound to get a running build surely

[crisp bolt]

so I took both and made both a mod

surely it will find the lightbulb

[tidal yew]

Okay HERE are the blueprints holy shit I keep posting only half of the bluperints

Hmmm

It appears the blueprints are completely the same

[tidal yew]

It's not about finding the lightbulb, it's about dependencies

[hazy ivy]

omg he found the lightbulb

[fervent stratus]

flic get back on the grind

we know that

[crisp bolt]

well we can console in mainmenu so I wonder if we can log assets, I just tried to load all assets and crashed at lightbulb again using UAssetLoadTest hint states we can specify location as well otherwise it loads all assets.

[fervent stratus]

"ObjectName": "DamageInteractableComponent'BP_Light_Base_C:DamageInteractable_GEN_VARIABLE'",
"ObjectPath": "/Game/_STALKER2/GameDesign/InteractiveObjects/LightBulb/BP_Light_Base.3"

ObjectSerializationError: /Game/_STALKER2/GameDesign/InteractiveObjects/LightBulb/BP_Light_Base (0x5CC1D4F513C0C72D) /Game/_STALKER2/GameDesign/InteractiveObjects/LightBulb/BP_Light_Base (0x5CC1D4F513C0C72D) - DamageInteractableComponent /Game/_STALKER2/GameDesign/InteractiveObjects/LightBulb/BP_Light_Base.BP_Light_Base_C:DamageInteractable_GEN_VARIABLE: Bad name index 16975872/233.

the object path doesnt exist

[tidal yew]

But here's the funny thing, it does

[fervent stratus]

where? i dont find it

[crisp bolt]

Stat UObjects

in console

and record

shows all scripts and calls

[fervent stratus]

in game?

[crisp bolt]

in main menu, but it will load ingame too since you're the furthest

they should go from green to red etc

[fervent stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/little-girl-cute-oh-my-god-too-much-stress-oh-gosh-gif-17610373

[crisp bolt]

yo it hangs

with this stat up that was interesting

[tidal yew]

Didn't get it to hang tbh

[crisp bolt]

I'm just wondering cause we have wayyyy more access with the console with this exe if we can skip looking for those scripts

[tidal yew]

How the hell are you loading so much further

I only get 170 stats

[crisp bolt]

I had one at 32k almost but my SS failed

gonna try recording it

[tidal yew]

What have you done so far?

Well okay, put in the missing plugins in a pak, what else?

[crisp bolt]

plugins in pak, changed script to load debug, changed the editor.dlls to the release dlls

[tidal yew]

It automatically loads debug though

[crisp bolt]

[tidal yew]

Like the testing executable by itself turns on all debug things

[fervent stratus]

i only reach 245 before hang on release

lets try the other one

[tidal yew]

I think I might be loading the game too quickly on my SSD

[fervent stratus]

kek

the depot is on hdd

so lets see

[crisp bolt]

I mean I have the depot on a 980 evo pro m.2

[fervent stratus]

i rached 150849

on depot

so flic is close i guess

idk

depot gives ai human error

shipping gives lightbulb

https://tenor.com/view/nice-smack-delicious-meme-gif-8375212

[crisp bolt]

alright here's the process with stats

uploading clip rn

[fervent stratus]

billy did u get past ai human in depot?

[tidal yew]

Didn't get past anything

[tidal yew]

How did you get into the intro video

[fervent stratus]

idk it just worked

[fervent stratus]

how did you get the green loading bottom right to move

for me its stuck even

wtf is going on over here

[crisp bolt]

we all have different experiences what the hell

so shay can get in game for a second

my feet land and I crash

[fervent stratus]

oke here is me summarized:
depot: on first startup i get furthest, crash at ai human
shipping: stuck in loading, crash on lightbulb

depot: 150k crash stats
shipping: 240 crash stats

[crisp bolt]

let me try shipping

[tidal yew]

My feet land and PDA sounds

[fervent stratus]

i get first startup semi smooth 30sec time everything kidna works

after that its gg i cant get in the game crashes at load

[tidal yew]

First startup means you delete the saved folder in the depot install

[fervent stratus]

so cache

nono first startup after reboot

idk where the cache is but if i restart pc i get 30sec time

on release i cant even get past loading first time

but it hangs on loading screen

so i should proceed with depot

and that is the one flic was using and he got past ai human on depot

since he said right now let me try shipping

[crisp bolt]

ok what the fuck

this is new

[fervent stratus]

ill restart pc and do stats again that way i get into cutscene too

[tidal yew]

Got past one BP, onto the next BP?

[crisp bolt]

no but I got a weird crash handle

[fervent stratus]

domino

[tidal yew]

What is it?

[fervent stratus]

personal message from gsc

stop your pursuit

[tidal yew]

Oh wow it says the exact same thing as before

[fervent stratus]

ikr haha

i was like bruh

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-kidding-me-got-to-be-kidding-youre-kidding-me-seriously-gif-6521278384595665157

[crisp bolt]

I know it says the same thing

[tidal yew]

What if you turn off debug mode?

do it as a joke lol

[crisp bolt]

any steam devs or knowers knows what this means?

[tidal yew]

I guess it allows to use the game launch parameter thing?

Ask ChatGPT

Might be for a debug thing

[fervent stratus]

jup idk chief

this one is weird

[crisp bolt]

[fervent stratus]

imagine it would just start'

oooffff

[crisp bolt]

it's so weird

I can launch it over and over and I get further each time almost loading in now....

changed nothing

[spare lagoon]

Building cache to run off, one step at a time

[fervent stratus]

yeah im clocking off for today

want to game a little bit grinded my head

devman bad for not making test exe work out of the box

pff

[crisp bolt]

so I told it not to load that asset entirely got a bti further but it still called it

[fervent stratus]

why is the exe even calling it ahhh

and bugging out

[tidal yew]

Yeah that's the funny thing with test executables, you can tell it to not load but it does

[fervent stratus]

@crisp bolt how did u make it skip

[crisp bolt]

messing with the defaultgame.ini

[fervent stratus]

can u send that

[crisp bolt]

this is the one with my edit in it

[fervent stratus]

it goes in root saved folder right?

[crisp bolt]

you can do that or do it like I am and just pak it

OH

I got it to dump a profile

wonder if I can get it to dump more stuff, last test exe it wouldn't

all of that is just a dummy profile I setup to see if it would dump, it made a lot of dumps lol.

[fervent stratus]

make dummy accouny

account

on vk

send the guy that cracked 2023 a message

ask for help

[tidal yew]

He's not on VK

Well he is

But you can find him on Discord

Also he's done with UE5

Sooo don't expect anything

[fervent moth]

Yo has anyone made a mod that removes the "this technician cannot install this upgrade"? I know it's for "progression" stuff but I feel like the money barrier is enough for me I don't wanna have to run around the zone just to upgrade one of my items

[hazy ivy]

There's an optional OXA addon that does that

[fervent moth]

Can I install this addon by itself or would I need the full mod? I would be unsure of conflicts with my current merged modpack amalgam thing I run...

[hazy ivy]

No idea 🙂

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/939

[hazy ivy]

Did this work? If you're interested I can take a look at your load order and check if you can use OXA on your game - It uses refurl loading so it's compatible with a large proportion of mods and doesn't require a new game.

[fervent moth]

I wasn't able to get it to function properly, but I found another mod that allowed me to do what I had hoped for... https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/679
Technically this is supposed to require ng but if you run a command in the console "XCheckGamedata" it works perfectly on a preestablished game.

[daring wolf]

does XSetGlobalBool DBG_IsDebug 1 in the console do anything fun

too tired to boot the computer today

life is pain

[tidal yew]

It does not

[inland karma]

Guys, any ideas where to tweak / disable / change tresholds for NPCs reactions to getting hit? I mean those stagger animations that they launch when getting damaged.

For the player's camera stagger there are appropriate entries in effect_prototypes.cfg, which are referenced in NPCWeaponSettingsPrototypes.cfg.

However - for the love of god I cannot find what governs the hit animations for the NPCs themselves. I feel they are overexagerated in this game which makes the combat too easy and diminishes NPCs ability to fight the player back.

[median quest]

There is a stagger angle under MovementParams in GeneralNPCObjPrototypes, dont know if setting it to 0 disables chance for them to get staggered

[inland karma]

Thx a lot - will give it a shot and report

[tidal yew]

I'll attempt to investigate the asset registry to find whether the hex index for the "missing" dependency even exists there.

It's... an idea I guess

[stoic portal]

Any info on the stalker 2 sdk?

[thick widget]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-no-ehno-fifidonia-minions-gif-18960235

[tidal yew]

Just UE 5.1 editor with a bunch of plugins, that's all

[summer silo]

Let them cook first, lmao

[lean oar]

I'm still waiting on their roadmap they promised for the start of the year, which I guess they mean as Q1

[tidal yew]

More like 2026

[tidal yew]

Can't figure out how to read the AssetRegistry.bin

[tidal yew]

I think whatever script it's searching for straight up doesn't exist

[fervent stratus]

thats what i was thinking, searched a bit for yesterday but what i dont understand is why hotfix it out if the exe has dependency thats not in that branch they released

[tidal yew]

That's the thing, it shouldn't even call for it

But it does

It's like it does it out of thin air

FlyCorridorDebug doesn't exist anywhere (Not even in the executable)

I'm thinking of attempting the complete nuke option and try to disable FlyCorridor

[fervent stratus]

cant you hex it?

[tidal yew]

It doesn't exist

[fervent stratus]

hex zero it out?

ooft

wth

ghost call

[tidal yew]

I can't figure out where it is

I mean like, the executable has a bunch of files and functions in a block listed, then a big block of variables for each, and I can't figure out what belongs to which

01 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 is at the end of each block of variables, but idk...

I don't even know what those variables do

[tame delta]

They added a new attack to the controller, the roar. A cool change would be that when reacting to this attack, the skif grabs his head with one hand and holds a weapon in the other. I think it would have a better impact than just swinging the screen. What do you guys think?

[lean oar]

I would prefer any alternative to screen swinging, same for the bloodsucker roar

[tidal yew]

"new" more like "cut"

You guys can't imagine the amount of content that was cut from Stalker 2 and nobody knows why

The 2023 build has more content than what we got today

[lean oar]

I would go with features caused unknown issues and were left out to be able to release "on time"

And they're seemingly working on cramming it back in now that it's in a playable release and they're raking in money to finance it

[tidal yew]

It's weird how (mostly) functional sidequests and encounters were removed

I understand that they removed some sidequests and encounters because they completely remade late game from Yaniv onwards, but still, why so much got cut south???

There are leftovers of Zulu's quest that involved going into SoC X-18. Some X-18 assets are leftover too.

[mental zealot]

Is old build playable?

[tidal yew]

Yea

[fervent stratus]

some think its the hack

its indeed insane the amount of cut content

its disproportianate (or how u spell it) compared to other games cutting floors in those timeframe of 2y

1.5y

[tidal yew]

What hack? The hack that happened three months before GSC accidentally published the build on torrents? The one that leaked the artbook and a smidge of design documents?

[fervent stratus]

no like they got hacked and some recent stuff got deleted in servers

so they reverted to some old version that was based on 2023

[tame delta]

playing I miss such "script" touches as e.g. a dog that jumps on you and knocks you down and you have to break its neck like in old CODs. Or a cat jumping on your back....oh my and even more

[fervent stratus]

or that the fire in prague that alledgedly didnt hurt the development

[tidal yew]

Never heard of that happening, not even Nick or Antishnaps gloated about it

[fervent stratus]

did hurt it

[tidal yew]

That's the only copium I have left regarding this situation

[fervent stratus]

they said it was on mocap or an unused floor but it could be sabotage

idk

[tidal yew]

But even then, 1.5 years to rebuild, they already had everything figured out in the design documents and the early builds also had the quests planned out

[fervent stratus]

that whole political sphere there is wild

but indeed i also wonder what made them cut so freaking much

whole ass locations placed and in development

scripts running

[tidal yew]

They did re-do mocap and voice acting in 2024

[fervent stratus]

cutscenes, dialogues etc

[tidal yew]

Speaaaakiiing oooffff scripts

[fervent stratus]

they mustve fucked up with backups + war losses

[tidal yew]

FlyCorridorDebug can't be turned off because it doesn't exist

[fervent stratus]

like guy x that carried this sprint died on y

[tidal yew]

[fervent stratus]

and the backup code is on z

unnaccessible idk

idk why they cut so much of pripyat

its like fully there

all the way to the northern perimeter at edge of map

left side of duga also

top of sircaa also

every side of the current map pretty much was far into development for it to be so cut all over the place

its like a puzzle nearing completion and all off a sudden you remove some puzzle pieces and try to make the puzzle with less pieces, what made you take out all those pieces

they where pretty fine afaik

[mental zealot]

ShoC was also cut off heavily

[tidal yew]

Not like this. Not like this at all.

SoC was remade multiple times, and it had its "cutting is shipping" moment, but it generally did not have 2/3rd of its total side content cut

[fervent stratus]

the pre release has them running tho

thats crazy part

like they pretty much all function if run through debug

i even had one dynamically happen in slag heap that wasnt trigger with debug and isnt in shipping 1.0

[lean oar]

I would deeply appreciate if they are able to "restore" a lot of the cut stuff

Sort of a pseudo live-service game but with cut content

[tidal yew]

Otherwise the community will restore the content once GSC releases modding tools

[lean oar]

True

[tropic wind]

Do you guys think itd be possible to create a "vibrant" color stalker 2 mod ? think of color effects from drinking vodka in game without the dizziness ofc

[crisp bolt]

It's possible, could tie the effect to say a pda trigger. Or consume trigger which would be the easiest way, then modify the applied effect to only have the post process for vibrance happen and increase its duration to near infinite.

[tropic wind]

Oooooo I get what you mean !!

[crisp bolt]

Unless you use simple mod tools or ue4ss to keybind the postprocess trigger

[tropic wind]

Would that be hard for me to do if i have 0.000% xp modding this game ? XD

or if someone wants to make it I can zelle you a tip 😄

[crisp bolt]

Ue4ss and simplemod would require knowledge of packing post process asset and trigger so easiest would be editing a consume and tying the post process effect to it.

[tropic wind]

ill see what chatgpt can help me out with. if anyone wants to make it for me DM me for pricing negotiations haha

[crisp bolt]

I'm at work but I'll see what I can do later.

[strong dirge]

Found an insteresting modpack that adds crafting and cooking apparently? Oh and safe zone only saves.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gr2a3d7tzt5AAG6EM6zthTmdNRe_lsKhAFL6Ez8rVvA/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.1p54npq8ej2k

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BdoU0S817K2XVtaD2v3I6KuR9cQkh54j/view

[tropic wind]

i just got home so lmk if you think its some ezpz for you ! 😄

[zinc herald]

Is the mod in the google drive?

[gaunt dome]

can anyone tell me what is the difference between:
{refurl=../SEA_DetectorPrototypes.cfg;refkey=[0]}
{refurl=SEA_DetectorPrototypes.cfg;refkey=[0]}

"../" - what does this part affect?

[fervent stratus]

@tidal yew i have no clue, i had little time yesterday so played a bit and hex zeroed a bit and none of the hex works, always same errors :/ truly lost here atm

[scarlet vigil]

it means parent folder

[gaunt dome]

that is, for example, in my itemprototypes folder there is, for example, the SamiItemPrototypes folder, then do I need to insert this in the config?

[scarlet vigil]

if your cfg file is in samiItemPrototypes and the refurl cfg is in itemprototypes folder then yes

[gaunt dome]

thanks

[tidal yew]

Tbh the best bet is to just go through the blueprints and simply remove FlyCorridorDebug from there lol

[tropic wind]

Anyone seen this guy named @crisp bolt he been MIA since our last interaction grrrr

and we was my only ray of hope

[thick widget]

He's busy with work stuff

[tropic wind]

Tell them to free my boy

He has more important stuff to do

[thick widget]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-8050768

[sharp meteor]

One simple questions about overriding, as not working what I'm doing:
I wan't to overwrite "Bartender_ChemicalPlant_TradePrototype" from ItemGeneratorPrototypes\DynamicItemGenerator.cfg to change what this specific trader is selling
How to do it? Tried some things but no luck

[hazy ivy]

Are you using the latest versions of the cfg files?

[sharp meteor]

Yes, 1.2.1 from Fmodel

[hazy ivy]

There was some fuckery with item generators in 1.2

gotcha

what exactly are you changing?

and are you using refurl?

[sharp meteor]

I tried all ways 😅

I want to rewrite the entire function

Mmm I think I got it

Making a subfolder with the same name, but not adding all elements I want

[hazy ivy]

hahaha I was JUST typing that all out

but yea, /ItemGeneratorPrototypes/DynamicItemGenerator/DynamicItemGenerator_Ekkaia.cfg

refurl the original but {bskipref} ItemGenerator

[sharp meteor]

I achieved to open a lot of zones for the free play attempt, and as you now could start in Chemical Plant as Ward, I want to add a better pool that only food for this barman

[sharp meteor]

How, I'm using "Bartender_ChemicalPlant_TradeItemGenerator : struct.begin {refurl=../ItemGeneratorPrototypes.cfg;refkey=[0]}" the same than parent file

I must try: "Bartender_ChemicalPlant_TradeItemGenerator : struct.begin {bskipref}" ?

[hazy ivy]

refurl=../DynamicItemGenerator.cfg refkey=Bartender_ChemicalPlant_TradeItemGenerator

[sharp meteor]

Testing now

[hazy ivy]

then when you get to ItemGenerator : struct.begin, add {bskipref}

[sharp meteor]

Ok, gonna test right now, many thanks!

[sharp meteor]

It's "semi-working". It reads the function, but only generates the second [*] block (I tried to add more and always or change order, and the same)

[hazy ivy]

ok try switching out the * for 0, 1, 2

actually hoild up

your first struct has two [0] values

[sharp meteor]

Tried without and its not the problem

[hazy ivy]

ok change the refurl

one sec

[sharp meteor]

../../ItemGeneratorPrototypes.cfg ?

[hazy ivy]

../../ItemGeneratorPrototypes.cfg;refkey=[0]}

lol yea

[sharp meteor]

Wait a sec

The same, gonna try without bskipref and later with the same function name

[hazy ivy]

I'd try switching the * for numerical values

[sharp meteor]

Wait a second

I made a typo in the folder name 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Testing with correct name

Working 😂 That was the folder name... game was loading as new file without refurl things loading correctly....

Many thanks @hazy ivy will finish some more things next hours and upload the new version, ty!!

[hazy ivy]

any time 🙂

[fluid monolith]

What'd I miss boys?

Fire huh. Any good news?

[void owl]

Not really

I've spent a whole 2 weeks trying to jailbreak the NPC render distance but no dice

I'm now warming up to going to work on weather

Did some tests of volumétrica today

[fluid monolith]

Sorry, hate when you end up spending hours for nothing

Sounds good

Any development on the test exe?

And do we have a leader yet?

[void owl]

I think @tidal yew is still on that

[fluid monolith]

@tidal yew Thanks Billy

[tidal yew]

What who where what

[fluid monolith]

hahah sorry mate

Has the moderator election happened?

[void owl]

we havent donde that lmao

[fluid monolith]

I'm still voting @grave kite if not

[void owl]

yeah its ani still

[fluid monolith]

@grave kite want to be moderator yet?

[tidal yew]

Basically we can boot into main menu but FlyCorridor plugin has a debug variant, FlyCorridorDebug, which isn’t present anywhere, which means that when blueprints call for FlyCorridorDebug, they get an export error

Not all blueprints have it

[fluid monolith]

Well, thats still progress

[tidal yew]

We could remove it

[fluid monolith]

Rome wasn't demolished in a day

This is out of my area of expertise. I'm a sound designer with some markup, yaml, and python under my belt

[tidal yew]

By the way, by “not present anywhere” I mean it’s not in the game files AND it’s not mentioned in the executable which has all necessary plugins outlined

[fluid monolith]

Strange

[tidal yew]

The only mention is in the blueprints, and it only turns on in debug and only in 1.2, not in 1.0.2

[fluid monolith]

Hmmm, you must think there's something good in there if you're cracking the nut

[tidal yew]

I’m not cracking anything yet

But uh look at the videos that Shay posted, the debug tools have a full A-Life tab, which was empty in 1.0.2

[fluid monolith]

Do we know what the benefits of running it will be?

AHHH

[tidal yew]

We can play with the game :D

[fluid monolith]

Well, yes 🙂

[tidal yew]

Other than that, uhhh, showing prople that A-Life does exist?

[crisp bolt]

Hey sorry for the ghost work has me out till Monday and I don't have anything related to stalker on this laptop

[tropic wind]

Hahaha it's okay broski, I know you know I was just messing around. It can wait for sure just DM me whenever ❤️ hope work eases up on ya

or if anyone else can make it happen in the meantime i will tip ya $10 paypal/zelle/apple pay 😄
I was wondering if anyone would be able to make a mod that makes the game more vibrant colored - like when you drink vodka but without the dizzy effect
Would be my best friend forever 😄 I googled some tips Flic gave me and realized I am not cut out for this and to stick to digital forensics XD

[void owl]

I mean you can just add a filter with many software

NVIDIA overlay is pretty good if you have nvidia and dont want to deal with reshade

[tidal yew]

WHY DOESN'T IT TRIGGER IN FUCKING 1.0.2?!

Is it because of the A-Life tab or what?

[fervent stratus]

alife doesnt exist in the way we know it and the way they are developing it aint the way people want it tbh

[tidal yew]

FlyCorridor is an A-Life thing, I think it's part of offline movement

[fervent stratus]

for instance like i said before i can run it for a solid 30 sec each pc boot, ive managed to check each tab out now

most are identical to 1.0.2

the changes are in alife which uses the same director cfg

contextualactions is empty still

and there are a few map overlays added for debug map tab

of which the biggest is quest alife and dynamic alife

on startup 900 actors are allocated for quest alife

4 are spawned for dynamic

[tidal yew]

I think they're going in the right direction, but slowly

[fervent stratus]

what do you think the direction is?

[tropic wind]

Aint no way some software can do this: after some googling it looks like i could create this kind of saturation/vibrance by turning on some random filter and messing with settings o.O

[fervent stratus]

i dont think its something like a stat tab in pda with npc tracking

[tidal yew]

Wow I only manage to load up until 450 before crashing

[tropic wind]

i do have nvidia, actually the 5090 1 of 4 in my local MC XD

[fervent stratus]

again i dont think the direction gsc is taking with alife is anywhere near the og alife

atleast not when it comes to persistency

and tracking of individual npc across ofline and storing them

[fervent stratus]

yeah like euhm just use ansel?

haha

[tropic wind]

wat is ansel ? XD

[fervent stratus]

nvidia gamefilter

reshade basically

that runs from nvidia overlay

can do things like contrast and saturation

[tropic wind]

oh is ansel=freestyle ?

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/gfecnt/nvidia-freestyle-ansel-enhancements-geforce-experience-article/

[fervent stratus]

oh they call it freestyle now?

in my days it was called ansel

sounds so much cooler

https://www.nvidia.com/en-my/geforce/geforce-experience/ansel/

kek what plugin its in the gamefilter

oke weird hha

[tropic wind]

dont look at me i have no clue hahahaha

ohhhh so freestyle is the editor and ansel is the camera to take pics lolol

[fervent stratus]

ohhh my bad hha

[tropic wind]

ngl Ansel does sound cooler than Freestyle but this tech is news to me so i gotta play with it, looks promising ty for info ❤️

[fervent stratus]

i always called it ansel

[tropic wind]

so why do reshade mods exist if we have.... this ?

[fervent stratus]

yeah if you have nvidia overlay just use keybind in game

[tropic wind]

and other 3rd party programs

[fervent stratus]

because reshade is well known

and has more options

but if you want quick changes ansel is the way

lemme boot up the game and show my 3 ansel presets

[tropic wind]

yeah i wanna staurate +, vibrance + and save as default

[fervent stratus]

you can switch between 3 options you manually adjust

pretty nice if you want say a dark mood for night

and a vibrant day mood

[tropic wind]

lemme boot up the game and show my 3 ~~ansel ~~ freestyle presets FTFY xddd

[fervent stratus]

no filter

night filter

[tropic wind]

brother if oyu wanted that just buy thesse on amazon

[fervent stratus]

dayfilter

[fervent stratus]

night filter goes hard

[tropic wind]

so if i find a perfect filter for my vibrant induced dopamine, does it auto-save or do i have to keybind every time i get in ?

its no biggie just wondering

[fervent stratus]

you can have 3 individual profiles

i got a night, day, immersion

[tropic wind]

dont tell anyone but i dont even play this game on night time the moment sun sets i run a command at set it to 8am XD

ty for info cant wait to try it out tonight ❤️

[void owl]

aye thats a vibe

Whats the perf impact of ansel while playing?

[fervent stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-puppet-gif-21566323

[void owl]

i just use normal NVIDIA overlay filters. These usually do the trick

[fervent stratus]

this is that it seems

im just used to calling it ansel for years

[void owl]

ah lol

[fervent stratus]

no filter

damn suddenly filter is screwed

[void owl]

kek

I just use sharpen+

[steel tide]

Yeah, I saw it before... Yikes!

[fervent stratus]

wym jittery?

[tropic wind]

can you test and see if you can make it like my pic earleir

I WANNA TRIP ON ACID

compare our 2 pics. WHERE IS DA COLOR MANG

[void owl]

if you have nvidia just enable the overlay filters

[tropic wind]

I CANT IM AT WORK GRRRR

and im too excited now cuz it seems like ap ossibility

[fervent stratus]

isnt that just colour temp to orange gradient

with saturation slightly up and contrast way up?

[tropic wind]

uhhhh its a "drink vodka to remove rads and enjoy pretty colors" filter

[fervent stratus]

my anomaly immersion filter

[steel tide]

Noooope

[fervent stratus]

@tropic wind this is 10sec work

wait

wrong pic

[tropic wind]

So from earlier comment I assume you:
Increase saturation a bit
Increased contrash a good bit
Put gradient to ... ??? i have no clue what setting you change for this

[steel tide]

Shay, quit stabbing my eyes

[fervent stratus]

damn it aint showing right

its way more colourfull

oh nvm its cus its on my main monitor

anywayyyysss depending on monitor colour settings too

but if your pic looks that colourful on my 2nd monitor

djeeeees

wait lemme see

[tropic wind]

Oh damn that looks even better wtf

i need to know exactly what you did

[steel tide]

The zone doesn't understand why you stalkers are messing up the colors

[fervent stratus]

ahhh thats the one

[void owl]

if you have hdr you can download these

[tropic wind]

DOUBLE NUT OH LAWD

[tropic wind]

I had to actually turn off HDR for some reason it doesnt play well with my oled samsung g80sd

[void owl]

i tried taking a normal sdr pic and it came out worng

[tropic wind]

gibb settings pls

[fervent stratus]

my andrei tarkovsky filter

[void owl]

blownout

also compressed af

[fervent stratus]

bro its just colours way up

colours and saturation etc

[tropic wind]

what in the old school 50" diamater film roll is this XD

[fervent stratus]

and same compress for me

[tropic wind]

ok ok i try tonight

[steel tide]

Yeeee lol

[tropic wind]

looks even better than vodka yoo

[lean oar]

this was one hell of a flashbang to open this chat to

[steel tide]

Nexus has some reshade mods I don't know which one of them looks more realistic

[void owl]

ive never been a reshade fan 😦

[steel tide]

Same

[fervent stratus]

same

but im using cold reshade thingy

• dynamic weather + nvidia filter

[steel tide]

Be careful, if you keep changing the shade too much, otherwise the zone will mess your vision colors up

[lean oar]

same

[hazy ivy]

this fucking game

trying to update FittingWeaponsSIDs for the HK416 drum mag

literally nothing works

every other magazine, its fine

but this piece of shit

[dense swift]

[south kayak]

A small cross post from my mod page, but I put together a tutorial on how one can alter the .cfg generators in the game. It's based on Desolation as example (since many people asked for patches but didn't know how to make them), but the method should work for vanilla game and any mod once the process is easy to understand.

Here's the link to it:

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/articles/150

[void owl]

We need a moderator asap so we can pin this stuff

@rain finch just make @grave kite moderator or run a poll here for us please

We had asked before but I think it was forgotten

I think everyone here is good on Ani being a moderator (react with thumbs up of you do?)

[rain finch]

All good. Will make a custom stalker 2 modding role

[grave kite]

authors feel free to ping me or send me a DM if you need something pinned in your threads located inside: #1309526198833119303

[thick widget]

Congrats on your new job!!

haha

[wintry patrol]

Pin this message, see if it works

[grave kite]

[wintry patrol]

Pin again

[grave kite]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

[vale kernel]

try now

[grave kite]

we back

[vale kernel]

perfect

[void owl]

I know @thick widget and @south kayak have made some guides which should be pinned and posted on #╟⚒stalker2™-mod-resources . I've made that VS Extension for the CFGs which, although a bit ass, does help a lot. @hazy ivy ? Has some notepad++ stuff etc. all these should go somewhere

[trim pecan]

hi guys, any mod allows to use any attachment on rifles, like red dot holosights etc?

[torpid acorn]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/939
Look at this, otherwise I don't know

[trim pecan]

thank you, let me take a look at it

[celest crow]

curious why when I use the mod to skip the shader compiling at the beginning of launch it will not load a bunch of mods

[void owl]

https://www.theverge.com/games-review/614336/stalker-2-heart-of-chornobyl-update-patches

Lol

LMAO even

[thick widget]

Yeah someone that didn't really do any research. Could be written by a bot lol

[grave kite]

it is the verge after all

[fervent stratus]

A-Life 2.0 (the more expansive AI system that gives the game its thrillingly unpredictable sense of life) is practically purring

https://tenor.com/view/handsome-filipe-inactive-heart-attack-collapse-why-god-gif-20334995

!noalife

[celest dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306683555488862319/1309254531602972753/Screenshot_2024-11-21-21-13-12-76_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg?ex=6740e9cd&is=673f984d&hm=4c16bf5a7fe14ff8f1b81027f51be666771f1c2eb28f8a82498b0e0f436dea10&

[void owl]

The most chatgpt sentence

[fervent stratus]

i actually threw it in zerogpt

its 100% human written

[fervent stratus]

yeahhhh screw this test exe

its literally skill issue idk im too dumb

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-at-someone-ll-cool-j-mama-said-knock-you-out-song-take-this-towel-try-to-catch-gif-9364448841177534860

bp_light_base object serialization error

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-caveman-gif-15358844

[void owl]

yeah feels like that test exe was from a special pakcaged project and just forgot to clean it up after they built and packaged new patch

[void owl]

@grave kite can you write to the #╟⚒stalker2™-mod-resources , and add these guides/tools to the channel?

#╟⚒stalker2™-mods-making-discussion message

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/articles/138

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/1253

[fervent stratus]

freaking suuuuuuckkkksss

@tidal yew you no luck too i guess? i gave up (message last night)

cant find anything and im too dumb for this i reckon

[tidal yew]

I'm too busy with KCD 2 and studies to try to edit the blueprints

[tidal yew]

Yeah it was

[fervent stratus]

i do like 1 idea a day hha

[tidal yew]

Though tbh, if they built the project, it wouldn't have the test executable, would it?

[fervent stratus]

obv

why else hotfix it quick

[tidal yew]

I feel like they may have placed it in there on purpose to troll us

[fervent stratus]

nah nahhh

nahhhhhhh

[tidal yew]

Think about it

It's not like 1.0.2 where it actually functions

1.2 is missing debug plugins that would have been built in the project

And PalCoreAPI was a red herring

And I feel like it was a troll because I begged the community managers for it

[fervent stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cant-do-this-to-me-donald-kimball-how-dare-you-dont-willem-dafoe-gif-14910653

im about to make a fake discord account to translate a text to ukranian and send it to molit

[tidal yew]

And I know the community managers do talk to the team because Mol1t apparently got an archive of the clean patches from the art team so that we could add them to the wiki

[fervent stratus]

please papa molit ask devs for right test exe

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arent they in a discord with devs?

and their jira ofc

[tidal yew]

Who knows

We only know of the jira board

Unironically called "noosphere" hahahhaa

[fervent stratus]

the leak said they hacked into the discord server through an account and one of the dev interviews literally had a dev during interview communicate on their board

and say he was busy with group chat in the jira or something

[fervent stratus]

i know haha

https://noosphere-gw.atlassian.net/

[tidal yew]

The 2023 march leak?

[fervent stratus]

yeah

[tidal yew]

Damn, I thought they just hacked the Miro board

Like somehow forced the login

Through the Kyiv servers

[fervent stratus]

nah they hacked a discord account in the server

and it was months they had access
slowly took info

untill they got spotted

or they came forward

[tidal yew]

Well, I'm not surprised considering Tapik got phished by crypto scammers lmao

[tidal yew]

They came forward

[fervent stratus]

tapik?

[tidal yew]

Ancient STOC lore

[grave kite]

i tried doing that day one, but A. didnt have access b. they removed moderator role while i was sleeping

[fervent stratus]

sorry bro haha this one just popped in my head

i had to

[median quest]

Short lived moderation

[fervent stratus]

60 seconds of fame

[tidal yew]

Literally USSR bureaucracy

[void owl]

They're probably fixing up some stuff I guess

[fervent stratus]

tbh its not like there are a lot of active s2 modders here

havent most modders exhausted possibilities we have atm?

like what more can you squeeze out configs and such

[tidal yew]

Yeah pretty much

[fervent stratus]

configuration files accessed through aes key dumping for the first 2 months or so after release

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-duty-stalker-dance-gsc-gsc-gameworld-gif-22307630

[tidal yew]

They removed the encryption in 1.1

[fervent stratus]

ah yes 30 days after release

right after indeed

ahh am just salty for their corporate attitude and the state of modern gaming i guess

but still it aint exactly accurate what they said

[frail root]

Frankly I’m just impressed by how much people have been able to get done without any SDK

[void owl]

0 communication with their modders btw

They do not give a shit people are out here fixing/improving/giving life to their game

[fervent stratus]

bethesda moment

ah no nvm

atleast bethesda gives toolkits

quite fast

[void owl]

We thought about making a community letter to GSC because we are kind of disappointed with how much deep water they're in and their refusal to engage with their community

Except for their YouTube/Instagram reels of course

Gotta do that SEO engagement to sell their game instead

[fervent stratus]

now imagine if we had sdk day 1

[void owl]

I had a glint of hope when i fucking discovered a massive change on their 1.2 patch that they didn't document

[fervent stratus]

you go to steam and under software and tools it says "Stalker 2 Toolkit"

[frail root]

Man we didn’t even have a completed game on Day 1

[void owl]

And I thought maybe these guys would at least ask me something about it

[fervent stratus]

3 months stay strong

3 more months

an open letter after 6 months

[void owl]

I'll be here waiting

[frail root]

Either way it’s still probably going to be easier in the end than what people had to do with the original X-Ray

[fervent stratus]

community will find the letter to be justified i mean if they go 6 months

without proper info

the roadmap will prob have some stupid stuff on it

shit like "Winter 2025 - SDK" More info tba

[void owl]

Of the roadmap is ass we should do it then

[fervent stratus]

"Summer 2025 - DLC 1"

kek

[void owl]

Imagine if they say: "we have released a life 2.0 in the state we want it to be in"

[fervent stratus]

haha ive already accepted that man

ive been handling alife for 3 months

i have 4 builds on my pc, 3 of which have debug, ive seen progress from june 2023 to februari 2025

ive seen what is added, changed, cut

aint no way alife 2.0 will be anywhere close to og's

the recipe is too cooked, you need to start over. no matter how much spices and shit you throw in to save the bitterness its still done for

[tidal yew]

It would have surpassed the OGs if ONLY IT WAS OPTIMIZED PROPERLY

Now they had to cut out everything

[fervent stratus]

wym tho like i havent seen any proof that current alife is anywhere close to og

on paper sure a lot can be written

but like in game content and stuff like actual developed elements

[tidal yew]

That's why I used "would have" and not "it is"

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haaaaaa

[tidal yew]

And why I said "they had to cut out everything:

[fervent stratus]

"cries"

[void owl]

I feel like they just need the render distance to be much higher than 95m and I would be fine with the current implementation

[fervent stratus]

brother they aint cutting shi tbh

imo they neglected it from day 1

[void owl]

I've also given up on alife

[fervent stratus]

their whole design from day 1 neglected it

[fervent stratus]

no it wouldnt

[void owl]

I just accept it for what it is, which isn't terrible but yeahmmm

[fervent stratus]

what will you do against a shoty bro 300m away agro and god aim?

[void owl]

Ah well that's a whole different can of worms lol

[fervent stratus]

ive said it to everyone, even if you have alife 2.0 right now now

the ai is too dumb

the whole ai needs rework

[void owl]

I meant more the alife simulation, as in the AI populating the world

Hm true

[fervent stratus]

yes

wint work

imaginr idiocracy

[tidal yew]

Like okay, trading, hunting, arty hunting, fighting, whatever

But there are also settings in 1.0.2 that specify how aggressive each faction's lair (camp) should be, so they actually must have done a faction war mechanic and then cut it

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the movie

[fervent stratus]

they still have it

the nodes are fighting

thats wtf i dont understand

[tidal yew]

That's not A-Life, that's combat AI

[fervent stratus]

the lair system is running

[tidal yew]

I haven't been able to verify that though

[fervent stratus]

it is check 1.05

it uses virtual entities combined with battlechance to spread

it then rolls a certain action and distance

and when you come near one active it turns them into rendered actors

like the lair system freaking is doing stuff and spreading

its just not rendering and visualising to the player and idk wtf tge director does here

what i dont understand is how this system safeguards hubs and factions

[tidal yew]

Yeah, yeah, but what I mean is that I haven't been able to verify it from a gameplay standpoint since it's so hard to differentiate between the cut-down a-life and game director

[fervent stratus]

if what you see is lair or combat ai you mean?

[frail root]

You do get some varied results from it, I’ve had Army Warehouses be almost entirely Duty controlled and Malachite full of the Corps before

[fervent stratus]

its like its not saving it

try it out

go somewhere load up and play

[frail root]

Yeah it is weird still

[fervent stratus]

go there save and exit

[tidal yew]

I mean you go somewhere, you find enemies, and it's hard to know if it's alife or the director

Not combat ai

[fervent stratus]

yes exactly for instance, some locations have fast respawns that is due to lair respawn

but others are just director

now i think the lair nodes send data to the director

and the director must take control of all spawns

but its all screwed

[frail root]

I think director has ultimate say in what gets spawned regardless of the lair info

And the director just goes with random shit

[fervent stratus]

could be because the director can sometimes "trip"

ive had dozens of users report chill moments

[tidal yew]

Not really random

[fervent stratus]

and then like a backlog of spawns

[frail root]

But sometimes an area is totally fucking packed with one faction and that’s like “okay so they clearly are being influenced by the lair values in this case”

[tidal yew]

Well, it is randomized, but it's not totally random

[fervent stratus]

it uses empty groups

groups get created and the director fills them

[tidal yew]

Literally never ever had that happen

[fervent stratus]

i did

[frail root]

I’m not kidding when I said my AW was duty controlled

It was ALL duty

[tidal yew]

Thought to be fair, I haven't played on 1.2 because I'm just not interested anymore

[fervent stratus]

im talking pre 1.2

[frail root]

Duty and some bandits

[fervent stratus]

i am just running msq atm on 1.2

im sick of this fake shit

its unimmersive

it ruins every chill atmospheric moments

and the fact this ai can only fight

[void owl]

Hey now, they can now loot corpses

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

[frail root]

I’ve actually seen groups doing artifact hunting before which surprised me

[fervent stratus]

they dont bro hha

[frail root]

Because I hadn’t seen it for like 70 ingame hours

[fervent stratus]

there isnt a single line for them to do so

it doesnt exist haha

[frail root]

Man I saw a corps squad at an electro field with their detectors out, now I know they’re not actually grabbing artifacts but they do stop to do that sort of thing

It was in the “Malachite is all Corps for some reason” run through

[fervent stratus]

heres how they are going to fix (bookmarkshay) it: add in nodes around the map that allows the npc to do an animation based on the node, the player will see the npc do an animation like crouch near anomaly field. what actually happens is just an animation being played no actuall logic into finding an artefact

[frail root]

Isn’t that what they already do though, I mean that’s what it looks like they’re doing

[fervent stratus]

they will alter animal animations to go to a body and do an animation of eating while the mutant has no real intention to eat out of hunger

call me doomer idc

[void owl]

I actually had an idea like this once

[fervent stratus]

which isnt bad per se

but as soon as you engage with the npc

the curtain falls

kill the npc that did the artefact? but no artefact

[void owl]

Like each time a group of stalkers leaves safe zone, they go to a node and when they reach it they roll some AI director event plus whatever job they went out to do

To simulate life and daily routine

[frail root]

I feel like an easy way to make this feel better would have a squad member have a chance to get a random mid/low tier artifact in their inventory based on the node they stopped at

[void owl]

They also need to make AI better at fighting mutants, so far I keep seeing groups get wiped by fucking fleshes

[frail root]

A pack of four boars remains the most lethal enemy in all of stalker