╓☢stalker2™-chat-not-gamma-keep-waiting

[finite needle]

My insane take back in the day was that Stalker SoC was closer to System Shock 2 than to CoD, and I still stand by that

[white wadi]

What did they fuck up in 1.7.1

[burnt bolt]

it aint htat

[white wadi]

Did they break all mods

[finite needle]

idk 1.7.1 is not out yet

but yes

[white wadi]

whats the 'hotfix'

[icy basin]

Don't insult my boy System Shock 2 like that

[white wadi]

Just a small hotfix that broke everything?

[finite needle]

considering updates have broken mods since the dawn of time

I can say yes

[icy basin]

Every update breaks mods

:D

[white wadi]

Yes but this one is bad

afaik

[icy basin]

Which is why I play vanilla

[finite needle]

bro is a time traveler

[white wadi]

Wdym

[finite needle]

1.7.1 isn't out, it's a joke

[white wadi]

gotcha

I just saw someone refer to the hotfix as 1.7.1 earlier mb

[icy basin]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/stalker/comments/1p5jgg9/changelog_171/

[burnt bolt]

i cant even post a ss of whats happening

[finite needle]

Last time I checked it didn't have a name yet

[icy basin]

23h ago, you're cooked, unc

[burnt bolt]

found the issue

my computer commited suicide

like 2 mins after i said that my computer just died and i got a error screen with a prompt to restart

[icy basin]

[tepid spade]

HotFix will not solve the mod incompatibility issues with one or another mod itself.

**Hotfix if for vanilla engine. **

Therefore DO NOT RUN AFTER DAY ONE UPDATE ⚠️
applies to any game update if You are willing to play your modded game until all mods will be compatible.

To disable Auto update for any Steam game follow this guide 👇

[slow cave]

Yall remember when they tried removing the mentions of a life 2.0

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[charred remnant]

hi

[stoic lichen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/866044404334329856/1203475109935841380/im_like_a_wolf_so_malicious.gif

:3

[icy basin]

#🎪bruh-fart

[warped monolith]

remember when they tried putting nfts in the game

[rotund mantle]

[finite needle]

I will never forget the NFT debacle

There was a period where every developer wanted to put NFTs everywhere

[rotund mantle]

cant say i blame them but it was retarded

[finite needle]

I remember clearly Square wanted to do it with FFXIV, for whatever reason.

[warped monolith]

wym "whatever reason"
there is one specific and very clear reason: money

[lone saffron]

Finally asking for help here. How the hell can I fix my settings so the lighting doesn't do weird lumen things. It gets all pixely and sometimes comes through the ceiling and floors when inside.

[warped monolith]

also friendly reminder that steam trading cards and game items you can sell for steam wallet money are all, essentially, nfts.

https://tenor.com/view/masters-of-the-universe-skeletor-mot-u-gif-5430301619065962680

[finite needle]

What is a painting if not an NFT but irl

[warped monolith]

what is a human being if not a living, breathing nft

[finite needle]

https://tenor.com/view/talk-about-slavery-servant-slave-wide-eyes-meme-gif-11738417276538979063

[tepid spade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-fuck-around-the-more-youre-going-to-find-out-the-more-you-fuck-around-the-more-youre-going-to-find-out-the-more-you-gif-26876224

[silver orchid]

Isn't bad if it's well executed.

[warped monolith]

doesn't that apply to literally everything in life

[rotund mantle]

true

[kindred violet]

Not the point

[slow cave]

Yes

But everyone’s retarded like that even avenged sevenfold the band tried it

Glad it all failed like we thought

But seriously ain’t it weird when a life wasn’t in they decided to try and hide it? From what it looks like because why delete it lol

[rotund mantle]

they changed steam wording 24 hours before release i think

[late kernel]

They promised a complex persistent AI system even for SoC aswell, yet it was nothing like that when it released

Time is a flat circle

[warped monolith]

and people are so anomaly/gammacoded nowadays (especially here, for obvious reasons) that they think og trilogy a-life is the same as gamma a-life

[finite needle]

og alife is like, npc goes from A to B. You never seen them on the move.

this is SoC

in CoP routines were not dynamic but scheduled IIRC, everything was a show.

people has been eating game essayists crap for decades and has only experienced the game through mods

I wonder that if you added the high score board you could fool reddit into thinking a life existed

[silver orchid]

if only they knew that is not even CoP A-Life since the fact of have transition to 32 levels and run "smoothly"🤣

[late kernel]

Its like the Stalker games were always complete garbage without mods

And now GSC is trying to appeal to these people who only mostly played the freeplay mods

[silver orchid]

😔

[finite needle]

They made a decent in between conceptually, but I think they're gonna move towards the more moder audience, since it's more numerous

[silver orchid]

hip soon on stalker 2

danger

[late kernel]

Maybe the gatekeepers were onto something, afterall

[finite needle]

There's nothing wrong with that since people clamored about a game that is fundamentally Stalker to not be a STalker game, since it didn't play like GAMMA

"Where is Sin tho" in the bin since 2005 mate

[late kernel]

Sin never made it through concept phase

[rotund mantle]

naw i think they were fine vanilla

[late kernel]

What do you mean, gunplay was hot garbage for an FPS

[silver orchid]

if stalkerfans are enough gatekeepers some retcons would be retconed to be a bit more coherent with the trilogy or with HoC itself

[late kernel]

for its time

[rotund mantle]

i beat them on master first try it wasnt difficult tbh

it wasnt the best but playable

[warped monolith]

that has no relation to the game quality lol

[silver orchid]

sin was modelled and that

[rotund mantle]

the only gun that was ass was the british one

so bad

[finite needle]

Real life lore

[silver orchid]

has like three models

[finite needle]

They got scrapped when they changed the baddies from "mutant controlled stalkers" to "rock controlled stalkers".

[late kernel]

"Not willing to adapt to bad gameplay design? Skill issue ahahaha!"

I hate this mentality so much

[silver orchid]

?

[rotund mantle]

never said it was a skill issue tbh i just meant the games were playable vanilla

never said they were perfect

[warped monolith]

ofc they were playable, we all played them

[finite needle]

As soon as you understand that the makarov was crap you were set, AI was also dumb as a brick and you could hide behing something and just pick at their heads.

[silver orchid]

Imagine how will be gamba server if the entire server played the trilogy

[rotund mantle]

i wonder how many here even touched the trilogy tbh

[finite needle]

I can't see many of the GAMMA people survive the final gauntlet, that part was legit ASS

now imagine that with YACS

reload a save 25 minutes in the past

and go through corridors full of monolith with gauss rifles and rpgs that oneshot you

AGAIN

[rotund mantle]

ngl i turn that campfire save off the xray engine is too unpredictable for that imo

[late kernel]

They remained faithful to that even today lmao

[rotund mantle]

i wonder if we will get a cnpp gauntlet in the dlc

[silver orchid]

The gunfights are obsolete...

Must be anomalousing time

[rotund mantle]

im pumped they seemed to fix the strange blurry trees in the distance since i left in 1.0

had to restart as i didnt know if my save would be compatible over that many updates

[lone saffron]

Still have grainy/blurry light effects but yeah its way better than it was

[rotund mantle]

It seems to run alot smoother now aswell which is sweet

[lone saffron]

Still looking for how to fix it but you'll get effects like this from time to time

[rotund mantle]

Atleast it doesnt appear to commonly

[lone saffron]

Oh it does. Nearly every indoor area with a certain kind of light. You'll see it bleeding through the ceilings at times too. Almost looks like there's an anomaly on the floor above.

[rotund mantle]

[lone saffron]

Not all but I'd say at least...50% or so

[rotund mantle]

i hope its fixed soon

[lone saffron]

This has been an issue since 1.0 if it's not fixed like the rest of it then it probably never will be

I'll grab you a screen next time I see it

[rotund mantle]

i wonder if the engine update could fix it? and sounds good to me

[outer depot]

Honestly been replaying the stalker updates vanilla just because and they feel fine

Back then the games came out originally the stability was still a joke but I enjoyed it then too

[lone saffron]

I have one of the engine mods, it does not

I loaded the start of Agroprom and this is what it looks like

[rotund mantle]

oh thats trippy

[slow cave]

Yup

I’m just wondering why

Did they try to hide it or a simple error

[silver orchid]

they hided MP thingi too

[rotund mantle]

they did more damage hiding it then just being honest imo

[lone saffron]

I have been trying to trick myself into saying its just an anomaly in and of itself

still sucks me out of the game a bit when all the other areas that aren't affected are so picturesque

[silver orchid]

well, GSC would be "honest and transparent" on more thingis and some thingis will be better

[slow cave]

Wait

I just checked and yeah

They can’t back down now

Little liars, because they already confirmed it verbally no turning tail unless they do

[slow cave]

Like SBMM cos

Cod*

“It doesn’t exist”

-“it does”

[rotund mantle]

this 100%

[silver orchid]

Imo aren't liars, just they need time and could integrate the thingis

[slow cave]

Nah for real

But why hide it?

No reason to if they are working on it fr

Inmo

Imo*

[silver orchid]

eeeeeeeee

they aren't working on it now tho

is just a promise

[slow cave]

Wait

Myb I mean a life

Multyplayer isn’t being worked on?

Ah hell no claim it in like 2020-2023; if they didn’t start working on it I’m gonna laugh fr

[silver orchid]

no, not even a year after of the release

[slow cave]

That’s messed up

So they claimed to have an idea of what to do?

As an official selling point

Pack it up boys

[outer depot]

It’s only going to be PVP nobody gives a shit lmao

[slow cave]

That’s what I’m saying

Do coop

[silver orchid]

yes, nothing more

[slow cave]

Wow

That’s a literal false advertisement

Well

If they don’t do it

[silver orchid]

if the MP it's released on some point, probably is gonna be on late 2026 or early 2027

[slow cave]

Yeah like no offense to Gsc, just kidding

I ain’t waiting that long for them just because they started not even now

That’s actually a shame; live service in disguise

Wait

Theory; I wonder if internally it is

[warped monolith]

they still have to fix the main game, you know.

people would get extremely mad if they released multiplayer anytime soon with the game still having so many issues.

[slow cave]

Oh yeah I know and that’s better than MO

MP

[rotund mantle]

ngl i dont see the appeal in MP unless its like faction wars or something there is so many better dedicated MP games out there

[slow cave]

But why even claim to make it if they aren’t fr

Real; just make coop campaign

Easier no multiplayer modes needed

Just one

[warped monolith]

unlikely

[slow cave]

Yup

They said they won’t

So it’s over

[silver orchid]

I think that a MP mode will be cool while it be a clear upgrade of the trilogy one apart of the base gunplay/gameplay of HoC

[outer depot]

If you played the original MPs I’m not sure why you’d think that lol

[silver orchid]

i played MP, it's ok, fun while u had friends for play and don't mess with obscure slavs servers, the stamina of CS MP sucks tho.

[warped monolith]

ugh I forgot this video has a n-word

[outer depot]

Me when I spent six cursed months playing Survarium

[rotund mantle]

[warped monolith]

survarium was fun

[outer depot]

It was an experience

I don’t know if it was a good one but it was an experience

[warped monolith]

a fun one

[outer depot]

Baikal my beloved

I got burned out on it bad though before they ever got around to adding artifact hunt

It took them forever

[warped monolith]

oopsie, wrong channel

[tepid spade]

Where is this place ?

[lone saffron]

That is at the very end of the Agroprom underground. It's the ladder that leads you to the surface of the old military headquarters.

[tepid spade]

Thanks, will have a loook latter on

Can U send me screenshot with location on map plz ?

[lone saffron]

The center of the circles. That ladder is blocked until the point in the story where you are asked to grab the blueprints for the Phantom Inhibitor or somesuch doohicky from the Agroprom underground.

It's crazy how often we use that ladder in the series. I think in almost every game it's been there and been used. GAMMA too if you're crazy enough to pop your head out in the middle of a military base.

[tepid spade]

Thanks, will have a look at that Nanite & Lumen issue there

[lone saffron]

There's another for you. Duga underground just after you dodge the acid pools and zombies during the Happiness for Everyone mission.

[golden hazel]

HoC Tuah

[outer depot]

Side effect of the new a-life lair system; the town near the terrikon is a permanent warzone between loners from it and bandits from the factory

[warped monolith]

y'all asked for a-life, now deal with it

[slow cave]

Real

But

Fixed a life we asked for

[outer depot]

it's a good place to find random shit on all of the bodies

though I think half of the Zone has died around these four buildings over who controls a fire barrel

[worn niche]

i need to actually start paying attention to the update notes, (last time i played was before it was optimized) i heard nightvision at garbage and sprinted to it like a crack addict and his 3rd catalytic converter yoink

[slow cave]

You know what’s funny

I did verbatim the exact same thing

But I full on walked

[dreamy creek]

I think the patch damaged my visual interface. I can't see artefact stats.

[jagged cradle]

Good morning. Anyone knows how to solve this? Stalker 2 1.7 with oz mod updated for 1.7 👀

[slim moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/837355769946046546/960685663504695317/1649115570183.gif

[wanton arch]

best is to re verify your game

pretty sure Steam can recheck the system to see if you missing any file

funny enough steam can do window job downloading missing window file

😭

[tacit glacier]

It's the fact that he jumped over the cover and proceeds to trickshot the player that sends me laughing each time I see this gif

[fringe loom]

hey people, just askting for a friend... is there any plans for Stalker2 getting an "GAMMA"-Like Mod?

[hallow canopy]

I finally feking got the bastard Controller at the WPS after dying to him about 3 times
All that in Master difficulty

[hallow canopy]

someday yea

so far there are many mods that make the game more/less easier
But knowing how flexible the mods in UE5 can be,its not unrealistic to have similar mods from Gamma

someone would eventually want it and make it or commission the mod to be made

[fringe loom]

that would be fantastic. i love GAMMA and play it even more, after stalker2 came out... cause there is so much more going on. Stalker2 seems to me very empty. so many system are not there. only thing about Stalker2 is that delicious graphics

[hallow canopy]

Well the game is still very fun,and the new Master difficulty I play on is equally as fun.
However Stalker 2 and Gamma are not the same game in the end.
One a Horror shooter,survival element
The other a Hardcore realistic shooter horror

Keep in mind also that you would also want some emptiness in the Stalker Franchise as you have to feel that abandoned feel in the Chernobyl area.
Without that feeling, like cranked up A-life, it would feel like a CoD lobby and way too much overstimulation in action that it will eventually feel boring to constantly shoot

I have finished Stalker 2 multiple times and got bored, only now that Master Difficulty is out do I enjoy the game fully, well Minus the fighting the Controller that spawns soldiers with dead accurate guns that will instant kill you

Still think that the controller should retain its attacks
But the units that emmerge from the Psi radiation should not be Trained soldiers that have guns,it doesnt scale with the psi damage, but rather by its guns
Miss the ghosts from the Trilogy that attack you

[spark dirge]

I dont see where any of these games are horror besides the amount of issues and bugs with them

[hallow canopy]

Well the biggest fear in Humans is the Unknown, knowing nothing is very terrifiying when you think about it hard

[spark dirge]

So every new game classifies as horror game

[hallow canopy]

technically yea
but in a sense of Stalker 2
if we didnt had the Gaiger counter, it would have been a scary experience

or rather, it ticking off even more

Its hard to explain what makes Stalker 2 or rather Stalker the series so scary

[spark dirge]

Guess im a unicorn then and not afraid to explore the unknown

Its a game,so basicly nothing

[hallow canopy]

No its just hard to understand the concept of "Fear from the Unknow"

[spark dirge]

Each their own though

Just because i dont get immersed doesnt mean others cant

[hallow canopy]

If you yourself would stand infront of a Bloodsucker
Would you be afraid of its appearance? or the Uknown what it would do?
Charge at you? or just run away?
Or turn invisible and stab you from behind.
That is a very small lingering fear we have wired in our head, its not knowing whats fear, its when you dont know it that is starts to scare you

[spark dirge]

I started playing it again with 1.7 and now its remotely playable for me but with more visual bugs than before

[hallow canopy]

In game we know how they behave,thats what makes the fear factor from uknown not work

[hallow canopy]

and what caused you to Not enjoy Stalker 2 in the first place??
I certanly played it multiple times and enjoyed it

until the repetetive starting over a new game got boring

[spark dirge]

Didnt say i didnt enjoy it

[fringe loom]

sure there are differences... but it would be also "different" when we compare S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat and Anomaly or even GAMMA... i mean they are very well managed, biiig ModPacks and that change the hole game as it is... but i would love to see that level of change to Stalker2. I miss crafting my weapons and Amore, getting them from the battlefield and fix them up step by step... i don't like the "5ish" weapons in Stalker2 that drop all the time(some times it feels that way) . . . i would love to have a more dynamic experience... and set my camp, Stash and workbench where ever i want. i love that in GAMMA.

[spark dirge]

Im around since the first game and are used to the issues coming with them

[hallow canopy]

Perhaps you focus too much on those issues instead of see what you dont see

The fun,the guns,the atmosphere and more

[spark dirge]

Its because i focus to much on the actual gameplay

[hallow canopy]

I too have a desire for Stalker 2 to get a Survival Mod
But not one thats over done, the one in Gamma I didnt like as it restricted certain aspects of Survival
As well as Guns that were functional before that shoot at you and when you pick them up them being broken.
Makes 0 logical sense to me imo
Thus I didnt enjoy gamma for long

[spark dirge]

Skif runs like someone smoking since their 4 years old,hes 25,the gunplay is very akward,bandits eat half a mag before they drop,Mutants got armor? I get thick skin but they got actual very high armor values

Theres not a single gun that feels right to me

Mods do the trick but that aint always the right solution tbh

[hallow canopy]

That Skif cant run sure is a issue,as well as annoying indeed
But eventually I did had mods that increased,however I did notice you fly thro things you would not notice before
Almost quickly finishing the game too fast to enjoy the rest

[spark dirge]

Skif never sleeps and i would love that an overdose of energy drinks kills you

[hallow canopy]

And as for the Gun feel, Try Master
They drop like flies to a headshot

apart from Mutants,those are bit mixed result to kill

Either the Bloodsucker is so quick, or I rusted in hard

[spark dirge]

Yeah headshots work always but that doesnt change the fact that enemies are in general bulletsponges while Skif isnt

[hallow canopy]

That you correct on

[spark dirge]

Last Bloodsucker needed like 2 AK mags up close

A few shots miss ofc but 2 mags with most bullets hitting?

[hallow canopy]

Took me like 1.5 M60 Mag to kill one

[spark dirge]

That was just Stalker difficulty

Yeah thats a bit over the top

In the Arena the Chimera

[hallow canopy]

Well with the shots I missed,not exactly

[spark dirge]

You get a Kord with 210 AP ammo

It needs 4 mags with every bullet hitting

[hallow canopy]

I havent meet the Chimera yet with the Master difficulty

[spark dirge]

Again just Stalker difficulty

[hallow canopy]

I will say that the Controller was really ass to fight

[spark dirge]

I grenaded him

[hallow canopy]

Same

xD

[spark dirge]

5 nades from the vent

[hallow canopy]

Dude kept coming to me thro the doorway trying to Zoom attack me

I just spammed 5 grenades out of frustration

not like there was a shortage of them

there really is less resources,but enough to keep you winning in a fight

[spark dirge]

Well,i try mods again after this Playthrough

Guess it will improve everything by a mile

[hallow canopy]

Stalker 2 will get better over time

[fringe loom]

the bulletspongesituation is really bad. yesterday i gave masterDiff a chance... but hey the first Bloodsucker even eating over 1 AK mag with headshots... naaahhh.. feels not so great to me. i mean, i should be hard, but not stupid. i would like it, if it is more realisticly... a bullet of a AK, or NATO Gun should kill such a beast after the 5th oder 10th bullet.. maybe 2-3 good headshots.. that would make more sence to me... but TWO Mags?!? that Bloodsucker would look like "minced meat" and had no body anymore... About the SurvivalSituation... yes - i would love to have a real harsh system like in Gamma. Tons of different food, stuff you can cook from killed mutants, maybe plants?! that would be nice.. who dont like backed potatoes!?! also the medicin/healthsystem in GAMMA was so much more fitting for a StalkerGame. Take care about your body and that parts. i hope that Stalker2 gets more of that good stuff and let me play a zero to hero playthrough like i known it... all that here is your AK, hear is that bigGun in best condition etc. all in the first 30 min of gameplay feels not rewarding to me. it should not only be a place where things are very hard, everything wanna kill and eat you, but also a place where stuff is scarce and has a high(er)value to it as normal... AKs, Ammo and Stuff do not feels scarce in Stalker2 even after the update 1.7. maybe iam to hard in love with the unforgiving survival aspect of GAMMA/Anomaly but yaaay... it is what it is. i also hope that stalker2 getting better over time . :/ i mean, it has a ruff backroundstory anyways cause of the war in ukraine and the team had have his struggles, but i really would love to see Stalker2 shine like it old Brothers...

[remote eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-monkey-listening-monkey-speech-bubble-dumb-lion-lion-yelling-gif-977388511909412427

[fringe loom]

what?

make words you feel bad?

[remote eagle]

[fringe loom]

professional tells the novize...

[remote eagle]

im not gonna read that gamma yapping about stalker 2

[icy basin]

Harsh system like GAMMA

Yeah sure bud

[fringe loom]

you think the actual system in Stalker2 is better?

[fringe loom]

do what you want 🙂

[icy basin]

Not really, no
But GAMMA is the softcorest modpack out of all of them

You're actually asking to make the game marginally easier

[remote eagle]

[fringe loom]

Ok, than... what are "better"/"hard" Modpacks for anomaly that you can recommend

[remote eagle]

play NLC 7 for SoC

not for anomaly tho

[fringe loom]

ok i will have a look at it

[fringe loom]

thats why i didnt know it 👍

[remote eagle]

have fun

[fringe loom]

i dont think so 🙂

[remote eagle]

[fringe loom]

grafik looks like ass 🙂

thats a long road back xD

[hallow canopy]

When it comes to the bullet sponge situation its more/less hard to decide on my end as seasoned stalker player,I feel like they do take rounds that they shouldn't but then again, those are mutants driven by instinct, the Bloodsucker for example didnt care when you shoot it, now all of a sudden he dodges and run away when even hit once, back when the game first came out, all the Bloodsucker did was charge at you with the annoying pin down attack and stun lock you, but now its more diverse to fight it.
And as for the AK its not as the 7.62 version, the 5.56 or 5.45 dont hit as hard, as well as Nato rounds.
what I do notince is that they do in fact die faster in Master, same as normal human enemies.
Each enocounter, each death, each situation you learn and improve.
As for Gamma I do like the customised maintnence and material collection, but in reality (what gamma is doing its best to reflect from) a Gun is Not that hard to destroy, and it feels like every gun you pick up has been broken, how were the people using them before firing at the first place? did the gun broke on impact when the dude dropped it? illogical.
Even a AK-47/74/105 have been durability tested and literally can fire from just cleaning them,all be it sometimes jamming if certain parts are rusted or out right blow up.
In Stalker 2 that is reflected, and that mechanic much more helps.
As for the Healing,the parts of body healing is really nice,but to have a specific medication to restore your broken bones from Pills aint it chief.
I did had Tarkov in the past and that there is very realistic Healing mechanic, You want realistic healing? well Tarkov sure can provide that, but the one in Gamma aint feeling correct to me.
The Zone is unforgiving, and Gamma aint reflecting that well.
I do expect more sophisticated mods for Stalker 2 in the future, might even commission some myself.
We will see

[icy basin]

GAMMA also literally features a healthgate
You cannot die to a one-shot from above 65% HP

Unless it targets your psy-health

[remote eagle]

[hallow canopy]

When I first played Gamma, I took the Mosin, expecting for it to be as realistic as the real thing, 7.62x54R ripps thro body and causing sever injuries like irl
Instead I got a Gun that barely can scratch a Fleshy

[remote eagle]

7.62х54R sucks ass in gamma

same for 9x18

but in stalker 2 u can open exos like tin cans with skeefa pistol

[hallow canopy]

Well 7.62x54R is an insane round btw, just depends on the gun firing it

Nothing stops that round,not even high end face armour

[fringe loom]

i dont know.. when i play Gamma on all setting to hard. i die alot. and yes.. the weaponspartthing is not best representent in GAMMA - there are better games and mods for doing this part. i just say, i got a better overall experience in GAMMA contra STALKER2 . . . yes i played Tarkov asswell. i like the medicsys there and i would like to have it in Stalker asswell. that would be awesome. that easyHPbar dont do the job for me. sure bro you dont have to advise me at guns i shot some in reallife. . . that aspect of the gun works for the enemie and you pic it up and its broken, yes.. thats total nonsence. i dont like that on GAMMA ever, but there is Data where you can chance that values to a more realistic lvl. at least it was in the past.

thats right.. highCaliber Weapons should destroy targets in one shot

[hallow canopy]

From a Tarkov perspective, the 7.62x54R would rip apart anything when fired from the correct gun
The RPK would tear anything to shreds, I had one in Tarkov and it was, despite the insane recoil, a deadly accurate gun, so accurate that I could snipe people from 1500m away

Let alone you fire that from a Mosin with a long barrel and you cant survive a single hit to the head

[fringe loom]

https://images.guns.com/wordpress/2017/10/Smoking.20mm.rounds.out_.of_.a.WWII_.era_.Solothurn.S18.1000.rifle_.VIDEO_.jpg?impolicy=og-image

[hallow canopy]

Isnt that a PTRS?

Same theory goes for the Pseudo Giant
That dude taking 1-2 RPG okay, but to take like 5-7 of them is down right unrealistic AF

[fringe loom]

solothurn s18

[hallow canopy]

Especially since the RPG head we got in Stalker 2 is a HEAT head, it would leave a massive Hole in the Pseudo Giant,even with thick skin as "Armour"

[fringe loom]

absolute!

[hallow canopy]

Thats a Copper Jet flying nearly 2x the speed of light with not just the copper Jet cutting thro armour like butter
But also the Explosive Joules that would shockwave the Giant into a semi concussion state

or out right blow the face off

The only thing surviving a Copper Jet, High Explosive Anti Tank RPG-7 is a Tank alone with Composite armour

[fringe loom]

so lets hope for the best in the future and stalker2 ... zonekit is coming and hopefully some very good planed and realistic mods to have (no)fun with ;D

[hallow canopy]

we will see

for the moment I am satisfied with 1.7 apart from the Poltergeist phasing its attacks thro walls as well as enemies somehow shooting thro walls as well

[fringe loom]

mmh.. that sounds not so good whit enemiewallhacking...

with

[icy basin]

That was your mistake
Expecting a starter gun to be good (they're especially kept bad)

Except 9x19 SMGs

Could take those to CNPP

[remote eagle]

[hallow canopy]

Pretty sure a Mosin would have managed to deal with even a Exo, depending on high end rounds
But didnt look like it when you Survive a 7.62x54R to the Face
Even in Tarkov where Face Armour is a Thing,It would One Tap you regardless as to how Powerful the round can be

It just has insane Joules Energy to hit you, and with a Mosin that has a Long barrel version in Gamma as started, it does nothing it seems to a basic enemy like Fleshy and some enemy's

Nothing to to worry about, just took a 7.62x54R to the chest, got still air in my lungs, yea even if it didnt penertate your Exo kevlar specail ceramic plates,that shit would still make a dent to injure you hard

At least in Stalker 2 the Three-Line-Rifle behaves like the Mosin, demolishing Exo to the face as well as some mutants

And I dont want to start on the PPSh 41

Games these days cant balance guns from WW2 that prove data at 100% and see use to this day

And when it comes to balance to immersion and real life, do it like Tarkov.
You can one tap people, they can one tap you, simple as that.

[golden hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[warped monolith]

local discorder learns not every game is a milsim

[icy basin]

GAMMA tries very hard to be EFT

But also refuses to make a starting bolt-action good

[fringe loom]

it can try harder... 😉 nothing against that

[icy basin]

Healthgate says otherwise

[fringe loom]

sure. needs to be changed. i would love to see that. but on the otherside, i don't know whats groks intention is/was or whats the all over plan is for gamma in the future

[warped monolith]

don't wanna make it too good otherwise players won't be interested in the 53 AK variants

also !topic go yap about gamma in the gamma channels

[icy basin]

Uhhhh

[hallow canopy]

Well you are located in Ukraine
The most biggest manufacturer of AK's
Well used to be in the Soviet Era

[rotund mantle]

i pray AN-94 comes soon

[hallow canopy]

I pray for the PPSh 41

If the Mosin is already in S2
Bet PPSh 41 will follow as well

Two Legendary Soviet Weapons

[grand trellis]

.

[warped monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[summer vapor]

Why do you want a PPSh? Its ammo is outdated

[royal mural]

[icy basin]

Who pushed it out of the dating pool?

[warped monolith]

its ammo isn't even in the game iirc

dunno if they'd add 7.62x25mm just for one meme gun

either that or they make it shoot 7.62x39mm lmao

[royal mural]

add the tokarev ontop and make it shoot x39 too

lmao

[wanton arch]

ain't this dude baiting ?

😭

[warped monolith]

who knows

some ppl in here are weirdly obsessed with this kinda stuff, so... it's a coin toss

[wanton arch]

he just doing the funny riding grokkok from some real grokker

🔥

[warped monolith]

gawk gawk on grok's grok

[wanton arch]

😭

tbh gun repair kit should not be a thing

[royal mural]

[wanton arch]

don't you love to have your gun broken because you did not prepare for an expedition

[warped monolith]

at least there shouldn't be 30 different repair kits that you have to manage and juggle

one for gun above 95%
one for gun at 90-94
one for gun at 85-89
one for gun at 80-84
..........

[wanton arch]

4 tiers Repair kit weapon.

[warped monolith]

[wanton arch]

Anomoly it self don't even have that.

[wanton arch]

pretty sure you only need to care like XX>100(Max)

like 60%+ Maintain Kit

[rotund mantle]

fr that stuff is aids

its also file bloat

[late kernel]

Tarkov is a shitty MMORPG disguised as a semi-milsim tactical shooter

[trim totem]

worse game ive ever played

new player experience is ass the game is such horrible to look at bc its that 2015 photorealistic style

im so glad there was never a extraction shooter before arc raiders

[late kernel]

Graphics hasnt really changed since the first time it came into Beta

[trim totem]

i hate tarkovs visual style so much

its so unpleasing to look at

[royal mural]

tbh it just looks flat out boring

[late kernel]

blurry yet jagged

[royal mural]

like it has a weird filter just to make it look dirty idk

and oversharpened

[late kernel]

Its not as oversharpened as it was before, but the shitty color filter is still there

[icy basin]

Oh I wouldn't know

Never touched it :)

[royal mural]

the only right decision

[late kernel]

A friend who hasnt played Tarkov in over a year trying to play Tarkov again, has had their account banned for no reason, and they didn't tell him why because "legally they dont need to"

[royal mural]

way back i tried logging back in but my account got hacked and email changed

but i didnt really care anymore at this point

[rotund mantle]

[late kernel]

Their customer support is as helpful as Youtube support

basically zero

[royal mural]

yea

when i asked to get my account back they just said buy a new one duh

[rotund mantle]

May they collapse asap 🙏

[royal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/birthday-day-let-down-sad-bad-day-celebrate-gif-6086793

[trim totem]

lets not forget the black edition that basically removed players dlcs

[onyx osprey]

I hate being a tarkov glazer

But 8/10 times if you got banned , youve fucked up

Something as simple as banned for associating with a cheater

[warped monolith]

[late kernel]

[onyx osprey]

That's just the way it is

[outer depot]

Regarding the PPSH earlier the Germans converted a bunch to 9 mm

But also TT pistols are still fairly popular and 7.62x25 has never truly died

[rotund mantle]

Naw thats not always true

[outer depot]

Now if they wanted to be assholes they could add a Nagant Revolver with its gas seal rounds lol

[late kernel]

He never played with anyone but his close friends and me every now and then, and BSG made thousands of false bans before, which were lifted not long after

[warped monolith]

he didn't appeal his ban quick enough so they just assumed he was actually guilty
I've seen this happen before lmao

[onyx osprey]

Well fuck me for literaly writing 8/10

[onyx osprey]

One of his friends is cheating simple as that

But as omnis said

If by any chance its a false ban

Fucking good luck

[late kernel]

No one in our group has ever cheated in any video game, dont be stupid

[onyx osprey]

[hallow canopy]

uuuhuuuu
soooo is the Toz-32 with its 12"/70 Shots?

Yet we still use ammo that is "Old" to this day

[rotund mantle]

BGS is one of the most scummy companies that they make Activision and EA look like saints

[hallow canopy]

I dont understand why you all Dont want the PPSh in Stalker 2
Its a really cool gun

[late kernel]

Thin ice, pal

[rotund mantle]

But back to stalker 2 I wouldn't mind more ww2 weapons as like things you can find in southern parts of the zone

However idk how common they should be

[late kernel]

Also need the iconic AKM and SKS

[hallow canopy]

Agreed

Not to forget the TT-33

[rotund mantle]

Controversial but Scar H or L variants

[late kernel]

We already got the Vector, so it aint that far fetched

[hollow epoch]

Stalker 2 worth getting after patch 1.7?

[late kernel]

No, wait for engine upgrade

[hollow epoch]

alr

should i get it on sale now and then carry on waiting or just wait wait to see

[late kernel]

This game isnt even worth 40 euros

[hollow epoch]

lol

yeah it does seem like that

kinda sad

[hallow canopy]

For the current discount,I would say yes
But to play it,I would wait

however 1.7 aint that bad imo

[hallow canopy]

Isnt the Kharod based on the Scar H?

[late kernel]

A-Life is still broken and dont work as intended

[hallow canopy]

I would not call it broken

it works,at least while I am playing Master difficulty

[rotund mantle]

Naw based off the IWI Carmel

[late kernel]

Its getting there, but not quite there yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YODoWeivix8

[jaunty ruin]

No, it's base on the IWI Carmel, the Dnipro is a Malyuk, the Fora is base on the Fort 221 which is a Ukrainian made version of the Tavor TAR-21

[hallow canopy]

Interesting

[hallow canopy]

I will agree that A-life can sometimes be not consistent with offline function.
However you really going to work yourself to dust on such small detail?
I havent had any issues at the moment with A-life apart from the feking NPCs coming to my aid and looting my shit that I killed.

Not sure how A-life is going for other difficulties
But in Master all seems to work

[late kernel]

A group of stalkers respawning in a POI I just cleared is supposed to be a "small detail" ?

Stalkers and mutants spawning in places they're not supposed to be in supposed to be a "small detail" ?

[hallow canopy]

Havent seen that at all

[late kernel]

You will

[hallow canopy]

You also playing in Master?

[late kernel]

What does that have to do with A-Life?

[warped monolith]

difficulty doesn't, or at least shouldn't modify a-life behavior

[visual minnow]

Considering that we've been gatting a major update every month, with 1.6 in October, and 1.7 in November, is it safe to assume we'll get the next update in December?

[silver orchid]

yes

1.8, with surely more quests

[visual minnow]

and hopefully engine update

[silver orchid]

Nah

much hope

[warped monolith]

engine update promise is about as fake as a-life until it actually happens

[undone vessel]

https://youtu.be/oFQnbVbT3NY?si=0i7zRsJDDzsCMckI

[summer vapor]

It doesn't fit the setting; the weapon needs to be cheap and common. There's no point in buying a PPSh when you can get an AK-74

[hallow canopy]

Tell me a Reason then why we have the Three-Line-Rifle if we got the SVDM-2, Mark 1 EMR and the M701 Super that are far superior?

[summer vapor]

Because it's more common than the PPSh? And the ammo too

[rotund mantle]

yeah they are everywhere and being used in active warzones rn

[silver orchid]

early game weapon

[hallow canopy]

Same can be the PPSh

[hallow canopy]

The PPSh was equally as common thro WW2 and till this Day

I dont get how everyones stubborn head cant accept the PPSh

[warped monolith]

[hallow canopy]

To give you a number, 6 Milion PPSh 41 have been made, just the 41 version
While the Mosin made over 35 Milion

I bet my ass that the PPSh is more common than your average SMG we have in Stalker 2

And to get into peoples stubborn heads, I have gave GSC a detailed and logical reason to add the PPSh 41 in Stalker 2

[kindred violet]

[golden hazel]

[visual minnow]

the PPSH really isnt THAT common.
like over 8 million G3s have been made, and are STILL being made

while something like 20 million M16s have been made

[hallow canopy]

Probably the Oldest,Common weapon from WW2 you will ever see

[warped monolith]

wait, didn't you say the mosin had over 35 million?
how is the ppsh the 'oldest, common weapon' when the mosin is older and more common

lolwat they strapped almost 100 of these onto the Tu-2 as an air-to-ground weapon

[kindred violet]

Lmao

[warped monolith]

soviet design is borderline a slapstick comedy

[kindred violet]

Pure smekalka

[warped monolith]

it's like their "anti-aircraft gun" being 4 lmgs roped together side by side

or mmgs I forgot

[rotund mantle]

this yeah you can use it in WT as a low tier spaa

[golden hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306683555488862319/1351304623406714971/SKEEFA.gif

[visual minnow]

the PPS-43 also had like 2 million made

[nova lake]

the PPS43 shouldnt be in the game, bc it drools and isnt cool

[hallow canopy]

Let me re-phrase
Oldest SMG

[soft egret]

PPsh was never in any mainline stalker game, neither was the mosin

If anything im mad the abakan is nowhere to be seen

stalker always used weird obscure guns

like the LR-300

[remote eagle]

[finite needle]

Anti tank gun just being like VERY BIG SKS

[odd fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-photo-doctor-talking-doctor-swamps-stalker-gif-4007460491483581262

[knotty onyx]

That was pretty common. US had AA guns that were 4 50 cals joined together

[wanton arch]

Consider they slapped 4 Vicker Water cooling machine guns for the AA station in early WW2 or end ww1

yk what the trend was just picking Aircraft guns x4 and slap it on a platform

boomm

Brit French

US

whatever

[wanton arch]

btw it's a unity game...

it does not have "Filter" assuming you are prefering to the Unity Color Grading Preset / Weather Filters

at the same time dawg it's on unity

the devs hitting the exact same engine for 15 years already

https://tenor.com/view/bootcamp-gomerpyle-privatepyle-zoomin-zoom-gif-23477019

and for some fucking reason people play EFT PVE to the point that PVP has no player left in it

[hallow canopy]

Dear Lord Clear Sky mission is terrible to go thro on Master

Just gonna say, Havent Seen a Single Cimera, because I didnt turn to look

But I damn well heard it behind me

[warped monolith]

and Nikita himself said he regrets picking unity, didn't he?

[warped monolith]

good.

[rotund mantle]

May tarkov die and something better come along

[knotty onyx]

Scientists should study the blood pressure of pvp tarkov players compared to non tarkov players of the same age cohort lmfao. Beta it's super high.

[silver orchid]

In secret Shay is like STOC moderators - he works for GSC without a salary

[knotty onyx]

I've never met a pvp tarkov player who was happy. They are just like dota and league guys.

[odd fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-photo-doctor-talking-doctor-swamps-stalker-gif-4007460491483581262

[hallow canopy]

I can agree, I went back briefly to try the new PvE mode
And then with a few friends modded it

Also NVD Gen 2 looking nice

Cant wait to get the Gen 3 later

Also the Fora 221 has came in clutch and carried my ass since Lesser Zone, getting its Mag extender feels like a bliss

[slim moth]

PvE or SPT is the only fun way to play tarkov

Getting camped by extraction rats makes the game -7/100.

"get gud" nah, i don't wanna. I just want to have fun lmao.

[hallow canopy]

And then the 50/50 "Skilled" people that somehow knew you were coming from a mile away

totally not cheating

[slim moth]

well im sure they have 200 dollar headphones that can hear me stompin around and looking through containers and they're just stuck aiming at a doorway for 10 minutes

like i get it. That's the Tarkov online pvp. I can easily enjoy it when im with buddies, but solo? nah. i have a certain level of masochism and that aint it for me, chief.

[rotund mantle]

Understandable 100%

[slim moth]

If I Tarkov with buddies. It's a fun game. I feel like i personally stand a chance.

but solo, there is so much meta and Idk the fuckin maps and shit and pulling up a map genie or some shit with no player tracker fucking sucks

[hallow canopy]

Well it was fun with friends in the past to play it

However I do wonder
Wasnt Stalker 2 also planned with Co-op or miltiplayer??

Swear I read that somewhere

[slim moth]

it'll be team deathmatch multiplayer

dead in a week

if it was co-op the longevity of the game and community would thrive. sigh

could easily have both.

[hallow canopy]

Well if GSC would regardless make it PvP, people will find a way to make it CoOp like Tarkov

[slim moth]

but co-op isn't in the "vision" for GSC. Which is a bonkers cop-out totally bs answer btw.

[hallow canopy]

Well some people made the first Stalker a Co Op mod and people loved it

Funnies shit ever

PvP would only cause more cancer like best example, Tarkov

[rotund mantle]

And there is so many better dedicated pvp games

No one buys stalker for the TDM

[hallow canopy]

^
That

[slim moth]

this is me and buddy playing coop

but that's xrMPE which is legit af

[warped monolith]

took a very long time for CoP co-op mod to come out, and that was with the source code

[rotund mantle]

That ending execution of them was hard af

[hallow canopy]

See now that is fun

should have taken a RPG and blased that hallway, would have been hella funny

[slim moth]

xrMPE are working on Shadow of Chernobyl rn

[hallow canopy]

Gonna make sure they are turning into Zombies lol

[slim moth]

You just use hamachi, join directly and boom

so if anyone wanna co-op lemme know lmao

literally one of the best gaming experiences ever

[hallow canopy]

Would love to try one day, but for time, got Stalker 2 to finish on Master

[slim moth]

I need to beat S2 master mode Spark story

[hallow canopy]

Good Luck, I just went past the Clear Sky Base

That was a terrible experience

[royal mural]

no i never prefer unity if i can why should i

[wanton arch]

yep HE did

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-cat-mocking-gif-13935821400850516732

[royal mural]

who doesnt

[slim moth]

"try not to lose your head"

[wanton arch]

I love random generated npc

Oh wait one actually lost their head

Did you use a separated helmet and chest piece mod?

[slim moth]

no lol

fair question to ask tho

[wanton arch]

There is no way they just let random ass npc spawn without any head model

😭

[slim moth]

i feel like they made a lot more faces, some people don't even have the same face

[wanton arch]

Consider not a lot of them have helmets for some reason

💔

[trim iron]

You must be fucking joking, right?
"Labor of love" getting the game out of alpha after official launch?!

[slow cave]

Labor of you kind of have to

I’m glad we are getting much better

But doesn’t basically excuse a year delay to an almost normal game

[wanton arch]

I will be honest this 1.7 patch is just

0.7 sumthing

Waiting for like 2 more minor patches then DLC to make it into a complete game

At least the game contents is huge

🥀

[tribal acorn]

Any Mac miller fans in the chat

[hallow canopy]

GSC is doing they best to improve the game, especially in they situation where 250 are still inside or near a warzone

[slim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/free-kyle-gun-gif-18258003

[tribal acorn]

Any stalker gamers here

[hallow canopy]

You mean Stalke 2 Gamers, here

[warped monolith]

something-something "they've made the game while in a literal warzone" blah blah blah

lmao I didn't even read the messages after that and I "predicted" someone would've mentioned that

[hallow canopy]

Why not? you never been in that situation yourself?

[kindred violet]

If you'd watched the movie they (GSC) themselves posted you'd know they hauled ass out of ukraine asap, except for a few people who either stayed back for reasons or joined the military

[tame lodge]

Is it few or 250

[warped monolith]

I haven't actually watched that video because I bet it's mostly just propaganda and I can't be arsed

[hallow canopy]

They reason, its they home, and seen that movie, they feel a deep sence of regreat that they didnt stay and helped in some way.
Some were soldiers that worked on the game too

Some have fallen in combat

[slim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/strelok-gif-26242052

[kindred violet]

Kinda yeah, go figure with a corporate product, but it's still an interesting insight into their move

It's not nearly as emotionally bankrupt as corporate media could be haha

[trim iron]

They knew the game was in a shit state and will be for a long time, yet they kept hyping it up and releasing statements that set expectations they also knew they won't be able to achieve.
There's no excuse for that.
That's a development company thinking they can use the "no man's sky" or "cyberpunk" redemption curve to pull the same stunt.

Stop sucking their balls dry and hold them accountable.

[hallow canopy]

Well look how No Man's Sky thrives, Yet I never gave up on that vision, Same goes for GSC
They passion you can feel, if you cant, well why not buy Call of Duty Black Ops 7??

[slim moth]

i don't blame the dev's as much as i blame the big wig exec's rushing it out the door.

[trim iron]

I'm obviously not blaming the developers as in the people writing the game code. I'm referring to GSC as a game development company.

[warped monolith]

meanwhile grygorovych has just bought his 20th lamborghini

[rotund mantle]

Don't forget they changed the alife wording day before release so they weren't sued

[trim iron]

Show me once in the many years Hello Games have redeemed themselves they had the audacity to ask for the Labor of love vote.
GSC did no "Labor of love" work. They delivered what we paid for 12 months late.
And it's actually still not even what it was promised to be.

[rotund mantle]

Fr it aint the 9-5 devs fault they have no power its the leadership

[west moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975199248431865966.webp?size=128

[tame lodge]

They fixed the game with "love"

[warped monolith]

I miss having this as an emoji here

[tame lodge]

Sorry are fixing it

[hallow canopy]

My dude, seems like you forgot that Labor of Love and its meaning.
To show continous love even if it seems hopeless for a game.
They continue to work on the game despite they situation being worse then all the other games out there.
Why would a any other game get the reward??
Labor of Love doesnt reflect on games that made one update and stopped making
But to continue making update and strive to improve it over and over.
Thats Labor of Love

[warped monolith]

no, they're fixing the game because they still have to sell DLC

[tame lodge]

Labour is not done so the award shouldnt be there either

[west moth]

Me too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975199248431865966.webp?size=128

My spirit animal

[rotund mantle]

They also continue to work on the game or they dont have a job anymore

[hallow canopy]

[tame lodge]

Its more like Labour of Obligation

[hallow canopy]

Not just that, but they also want to deliver what was many years ago they first game.
To show that they can in fact still make the game that was once many years ago

[warped monolith]

they're still working on the game because they have planned DLC to sell
This ain't about "love" this is about delivering the product they promised in their trailers and marketing

it's about fulfilling their contract, nothing more

[tame lodge]

Yep

[kindred violet]

Pretty much yeah

[rotund mantle]

I wish the old gsc made the game (now 4a studios)

[kindred violet]

You can argue that some devs have the potential to be passionate about the game they are making but they aren't the ones selling it or deciding things/actions

[tame lodge]

I hope they are making a new bangin Metro

[warped monolith]

NMS's only issue was not having multiplayer at launch
they added that, and they've been updating the game with new (and free) content ever since

That is labor of love

[trim iron]

They Labor so much out of love, the original games are still riddled with bugs and modders had to fix it for years until they realised the mods made it so popular, they can do another cash grab

[warped monolith]

labor of love
stalker enhanced edition

[kindred violet]

[tame lodge]

They kept it the same so console players can experience the crashes on console too

[rotund mantle]

The only love in that edition was the censorship lol

[lament geyser]

I have a relative in the industry, he said the game is already at 85% -- We can expect release date soon... probably late 2026

[hallow canopy]

You see it as a Contract
I see it as passion Project
Those are people working on a game, GSC is they own Publisher and Dev
Any other Gaming studio out there gets eating like in EA case that many fell
But for Stalker 2 its still going to deliver despite its goals.

Like No Man's Sky to have this dream come to reality is what they want, same for Stalker 2
Nobody fucking pressured them to make the game, nobody has commissioned them, it were a few dudes making a game in a small appartment that turned to a studio that gives people jobs and gives us entertainment

Seen how Slop games come out each year (like CoD BO7) I am sure that Stalker 2 deserves the Labor of Love

However we will see who wins the Nomination

[warped monolith]

Passion projects don't cost 70$ in early access

"no one pressured them to make the game"
the humble Microsoft money:

[rotund mantle]

Ngl game should have came out in 2027

I was playing it until I heard artifacts are falling through the floor en masse so left to wait for 2.0

[warped monolith]

yea

fix one thing, break 5 things

[rotund mantle]

I dont wanna reload a save to force it above ground every time thats so annoying

[trim iron]

Love hurts...

[rotund mantle]

Nice setup

[west moth]

Factorio is a labor of love

[hallow canopy]

[lament geyser]

Thanks! It's inspired by the Stalker 2 Loner-Kits and the fanfilm Shadow of the Zone. I didn't feel like going for the standard Sunrise Suit Cosplay but a more reality based approach

[hallow canopy]

You cant make Passion possible with 10$ my man.
Especially in a 2025 economy where its hard to get a grip on things.
Especially the technology we need to make games as expetations for such high quality games need a bunch more finance support.
And for a small studio like GSC they sure would need it (Unlike the studios the likes of EA and friends that we know)
What used to be Passion projects from IT Geeks turned into a full blown Industy

[warped monolith]

small studio

[hallow canopy]

Keep it up my man, cant wait to see it fully done.
You also should visit a Cosplay event

[hallow canopy]

Yea Small
Compared to these days Studios

[lament geyser]

Normally i'm on larps and airsofts with the kit, so it actually needs to function. At the moment we're working on a functional Echo-Detector that can detect artifacts via RFID or Bluetooth.

[hallow canopy]

I assume you would 3D print these?

3D Printing is insane for small stuff like that

[tardy bronze]

Finally picked up stalk 2: sidorovich boogaloo

[lament geyser]

Yes this design took 3 years since a friend also designed the electronics outlay for the insides

[lament geyser]

the antenna is the biggest problem thb. - we still havent figured a way to print it stable enough. but since new specialised materials for 3D printing are becoming a thing like Carbon-printing or rubberlike resin, i guess we'll soon have a way to make it look good... when the whole project is done we plan to throw it on thingiverse so everybody can rebuild it for themselves

my friend is also putting together a printable merc-exoskeleton

[hallow canopy]

There are many composite printers as well as special fillaments that are coming out as well.
Even if sharing it with others,I could suggest to make them for fans as well that dont have a 3D printer
Would happily pay to get one as I dont have the Time/Skill to operate a 3D printer

to have a option to buy it from the ones that made it that is

[lament geyser]

the problem is the electronics.. putting that together is a shitload of work. you end up with realistic costs of 250€ if you consider working time.. otherwise its still around 100€. --- But then you got a working anomaly detector soundswitch (3 levels), Geiger counter (3 intensity levels) and the artifact scanner (on/off) which works with RFID dongels that are embedded in selfmade artifacts. (either 3d print TPU or some stuff made from toys/decor stuff) - also there is all the little LED-Effects and a battery case

also its earning money with licensed stuff and we dont want to dip into that field

its just fun and hobby

[steel nest]

hello, does the artifact radio prot. affect only rads from other artis or will it protect against outside rad (if you have excessive prot)?

[hallow canopy]

interesting

[lament geyser]

the main goal was to create an stl for a detector that works both as a simple cosplay prop or a very high quality larp prop

if you just slap some simple LED's in there its more than enough for a cosplay con

[icy basin]

I'll keep it spoken, not worth the audit
Don't post that shit @trim iron

[warped monolith]

[slim moth]

Damn. i missed it

[warped monolith]

same

[rotund mantle]

what was it ?

[tame lodge]

I guess 460 employees is small nowadays

inflation

[icy basin]

Just a bit of air head

Rude users :)

[rotund mantle]

ah fair

looks like we got a new exile

[warped monolith]

we do?

[hallow canopy]

more like people with 0 logic and not fact checking

[hallow canopy]

Actually yes, yes it is, when compared to many others

[rotund mantle]

naw was just hopeful lol

[lament geyser]

recent years showed me that the average human is exactly that and that they now entered internet era (almost 30 years later)

[tame lodge]

if you compare it to ubisoft, ea games, and microsoft game studios ofc

id say in general they are a midsized studio

[warped monolith]

100+ is already large

this is just cope and an attempt to convince ppl to take pity on the poor ukrainian dev's "passion project"

goalposts have been moved more than once, too

Ya like the game? Fine
Wanna support the dev? Awesome

But this is just way too much glazing

[tame lodge]

it fr feels like bro is paid

[slim moth]

a half-assed game should always be held accountable and scrutinized. but if there is effort being made to make it up to par, either wait or follow along for the ride.

[tame lodge]

like I like the game, its flawed, every stalker game is, but releasing it a broken mess as it was for 70 DOLLARS, is just insane

and then you get people taking pity on it and defending it

[rotund mantle]

no game should be above fair and valid criticism imo it feels like the war is always used to shield issues with the game

[tame lodge]

and this is how its normalized to release broken games for full price

[rotund mantle]

its actually insane how bad its gotten

[warped monolith]

fact.

[warped monolith]

fact.

[tame lodge]

fr and you see people saying "guys it just came out cut them some slack"

if they release it in early access and for less price to beta test it fine

[rotund mantle]

granted i was part of the problem preordering stalker 2 but i legit only beat the trilogy in the may before it was announced so wasnt aware of how gsc really is

[tame lodge]

but full price to test and fix your game that already shouldve been is borderline scam

[rotund mantle]

they actually were banning people at launch for calling it a scam on the offical server lol

[tame lodge]

sad

and this isnt exclusive to stalker 2, every other AAA game is like this

its ridiculous

[rotund mantle]

idk what its like there nowadays as im banned myself

[rotund mantle]

triple A needs to crash and reset imo

[tame lodge]

recent indie games blow most AAA out of the water

they rely on formulas that worked in 2014

[rotund mantle]

fr indie is peak rn

[tame lodge]

only so many AAA open world adventure games you can make before it gets stale

they fr just change the story and theme and plop it out

expedition 33, baldurs gate 3, kingdom come 2

breaths of fresh air

atleast in that genre

[warped monolith]

not gonna happen, unfortunately

[warped monolith]

on that same token
only so many indie pixel-art roguelite deckbuilders you can make before it gets stale, as well

[tame lodge]

that is true, the roguelite genre is very oversaturated and its seeing the same trend

[warped monolith]

the "good to bad game" proportion in the indie space is also just as bad as AAA
we just don't see it as much because indie games get less coverage/marketing

[tame lodge]

oh for sure I agree

its just that the lazy AAA games still make money

see sports games like FIFA and 2K

[icy basin]

I read this chat and sometimes think it's just #╟❓general-offtopic 2

[tame lodge]

i mean atleast it was related to stalker 2 in a way

[icy basin]

#no-access jumpscare

[summer vapor]

[remote eagle]

[hallow canopy]

He knows something we dont comrades

[west moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975199248431865966.webp?size=128

[onyx osprey]

so what are the thoughts on 1.7?

[hallow canopy]

Really Nice

Love the new Master difficulty

[undone vessel]

https://youtu.be/9ht5r9eOhSs?si=0JJsk_1bxBBoQVuT

[warped monolith]

not yet

check back in another year

so-called engine update might happen by then

[onyx osprey]

saw it when he posted it

but im very indiferent idk

[rotund mantle]

Been playing forgotten zone modpack while I wait for stalker 2

[silver orchid]

Well, is labor of love, not 100% labor of results

[warped monolith]

[hallow canopy]

Funny how I enjoy the game and have finished it multiple times over in different difficulties yet somehow yall aint enjoy it

[warped monolith]

we didn't say we don't enjoy it

at least I didn't

[rotund mantle]

I enjoyed what ive seen just want it to be the game it should be

I tested a bit of 1.7 and its much better then my time with 1.0

[warped monolith]

I like the game but I'm not gonna pretend it's flawless and I'm not gonna act like it doesn't need to be vastly improved

[rotund mantle]

Fr agreed I think my first true run is gonna be 2.0 or something

[hallow canopy]

Even if it was or wasnt flawless
To enjoy it means to play it

Constantly waiting for that Perfect moment, and then the motivation to continue to play vanishes

[warped monolith]

if you're like that, ok. not everyone is

[humble nimbus]

it's only up from here tbh,

i aint gonna lie and say i didn't bounce off this shit in 1.0

[rotund mantle]

Agreed they are making fast progress

[humble nimbus]

shit was ruff as hell

[rotund mantle]

Fr it was

[warped monolith]

I stopped playing at 1.0 because of the gun dupe glitch

[rotund mantle]

They coulda just took our money and ran but atleast it appears we get a major every month or so if it continues at this pace I give it maybe 6-8 months until its fully complete

[late kernel]

It can be a good game if they really tried

[kindred violet]

Yeah

[humble nimbus]

this game was in dev hell before covid and before the war, i was sort of expecting rough on launch

[kindred violet]

The game isn't that broken that it can't be fixed

[late kernel]

Game falls apart after the SIRCAA part and the story is heavily retconned

[humble nimbus]

ahh, as i suspected

weak last half

i'll reserve my full thoughts upon completion

[late kernel]

You're telling me, that Clear Sky was a part of C-Con, yet they attacked the CNPP and its allies in the old Clear Sky game?

huh?!

[finite needle]

The story being heavily retconned is imho a non argument because OG stuff was just cool sci fi mumbo jumbo without construct

[remote eagle]

there is gonna be some update near end of year they said

[humble nimbus]

they made that shit run way better with this version of the engine this update so

[finite needle]

Buuuuuuuuuut

the game does fall apart after SIRCAA

[late kernel]

Least you could expect from that mess of a story is some consistency lol

[warped monolith]

[finite needle]

Also, I actually quite like Stalker 2 - just I find it boring after SIRCAA because I want to pretty much do Duty vs Freedom stuff and I can't

also all that walking makes me wish for the lada not being a scam

[late kernel]

We got the jogging mechanic just for that 😄

[finite needle]

Bro I am a zoomer at heart, gimme fast travel

[humble nimbus]

even then we right back where we were before

Water still ontop baby

[finite needle]

In a sense, we're at a point where I would've consideret the state of the game acceptable if they released it like this. I would have been even mad about the same things

[humble nimbus]

the actual time you need to take to get from place to place is something that they've at least thought about

even if their answer is to FORCE you to venture out from hubs because you can only save there.

[hallow canopy]

I am a bit conflicted how people have the energy to get upset over A-life in S2
You not gonna notice it, until you see a comparison video and think "oh this dont work"
Meanwhile I am happy that guns dont spawn in my inventory and stuff spawning behind my back

[humble nimbus]

personally i think Expedition should be able to be toggled from any difficulty.

[finite needle]

He says, on the GAMMA discord

[warped monolith]

[humble nimbus]

even fucking GAMMA is more lenient than Expedition

LMFAO

shit's giving me A.R.E.A. flashbacks

and it, too, was more lenient than Expedition saves

[finite needle]

I agree that master shouldn't be tied to Expedition mode, as a YACS hater this position is easy for me to comprehend

[humble nimbus]

I do like the loot spread in my Master save though, feels like im far less incentivized to just wander from POI to POI and hoover up all the loot.

Less situations where i'm perpetually in a state of yellow encumbrance, just trying to go do my shit and get back immediately

I've been knocking around in the Zaton/Swamps region and I find this whole boat scenario hilarious.

Sultan still sitting in the same fucking spot.

[hallow canopy]

From this Stalker Veteran its not that hard, apart from a few parts like Clear Sky mission

[humble nimbus]

It does hit you in the pockets quite regularly which I enjoy.

I like when the game keeps me not exactly broke but like teetering on the edge of solvent.

[hallow canopy]

Stalker 2 cant be fun if you take all the stuff to such a minimal

[finite needle]

I just dislike the bonfire save system, feels unnecessary

It's not a matter of difficulty, just preference

[humble nimbus]

Daddysave system is fine once you get used to it.

but also like... there's fucking campfires everywhere.

[hallow canopy]

The new Master difficulty does make it feel really nice to save
Instead of have a certain amount of matches you can buy from
Beside those are matches, not Gold as to how dealers price them

[humble nimbus]

you mean the same matches you'll be swimming in after killing a couple squads

or maybe the bandits just be SMOKING heavily

[finite needle]

Doesn't make them any less overpriced, which is when you need them the most

[warped monolith]

having to leg it to some faraway place just to be able to save your game is prime example of artificial difficulty

[finite needle]

in the early game

[humble nimbus]

cause i always have a fat ass stack of matches

[silver orchid]

eeee

the explanation to that is that was the last option to stop strelok

[finite needle]

Bro Seath scarred me for life I swear. When I saw the stakes in Elden Ring I was overjoyed.

[silver orchid]

don't see it of any other form because is going to lack of sense

[humble nimbus]

that shit ain't even applicable to YACS on most maps there are campfires fucking everywhere

like Dark Souls 2 level of campfire placement

[finite needle]

Hard to argue that your mission is to actually try and kill Strelok

[humble nimbus]

half of the time they are even lit for you

[silver orchid]

well, the quest of CS was that

and they didn't it but

[finite needle]

They sure tried

very coveniently

to kill Strelok, so...

[warped monolith]

I don't think "other games/mods do it worse" is a good justification for stalker 2 having an imo bad feature

[finite needle]

anyway who cares the real story of CS was me getting dunked on by grenades

[silver orchid]

i wonder what happened with Ivan Trodnik

the true hero of Clear Sky

[humble nimbus]

no the conversation here is how mods have all done it less bad than Expedition.

[finite needle]

It's the Fallout 4 survival all over again, just make me F5 and done, fixed.

[humble nimbus]

GAMMA comes stock with YACS and a quicksave on a timer. A.R.E.A. had a similar timer.

[finite needle]

My ADHD willmake me forget to save anywya

[humble nimbus]

that's exactly what that is

F4 Survival

and even IT

is more lenient than Expedition.

[finite needle]

Well Fallout 4 is at its core a much easier experience

even on survival

[humble nimbus]

yeah true

[finite needle]

You can just get a power armor like 30 seconds after the game starts

[humble nimbus]

and with a wealth of save spots dotted all over the place if you look

[warped monolith]

too bad it's shit and breaks in 5 minutes

[humble nimbus]

this system is Strictly Hubs and some mission completion.

it's the tarkov raid system lol

an interesting experiment but a hard requirement for Master completion, it should not require

[finite needle]

Naaah, I mostly used power armors and even on survival they were very easy to mantain, if you jus strip naked everything you see of resources that is

It's way too easy to actually main power armors, to the point I think that Bethesda always intended you to play the game with one from the start

because shit's cool

[humble nimbus]

yeah

that game loves scrap demons like me

and yeah the whole Survival difficulty plateaus for you once you hit a certain point

and if you play stealth you just fucking delete everything

[finite needle]

Everything plateaus

Bro just grab the zweihander literally 20 meters from the start in Dark Souls, bam. Done.

R2 your way to victory

[humble nimbus]

Zwei's not my kind of weapon personally.

but i've spent alot of time with all of them

in PVP/PVE

[finite needle]

Well I don't think a beginner would pick pyromancy and go grab the great scythe in the catacombs

[humble nimbus]

beginner would probably get ALOT of mileage out of that fireball

i put friends onto the game that chose pyro as their first class

[finite needle]

oh absolutely, it's the great scythe part that was my point

[humble nimbus]

but its one of those games where... if someone doesn't have the patience for it they won't learn shit about it.

[finite needle]

yeah, but once you know, it's easy

[humble nimbus]

reminds me of a certain series

man.... i need binoculars yesterday

[finite needle]

Like everything, including GAMMA (which I find easier than standard Anomaly)

You know what

[humble nimbus]

i love looking at shit through the three-line scope but

[finite needle]

I want them too

[humble nimbus]

i want some binocs mane

[finite needle]

I thought I did't

but then I was in situations where I was like man I need to scout a bit here

[hallow canopy]

what are you two talking even about?

[finite needle]

idk

He likes to yap and I like to yap, so it's just yapping

[hallow canopy]

So anyways
Master difficulty
Managed to get past Clear Sky base

Terrifiying experience with the save system

[onyx osprey]

It shouldn't been released yet

Then again even if it was to be released yesterday , I highlyndoubt it would've released like 1.7 did yesterday , most definitely would be worse

[silver orchid]

i wish that HoC fix or give sense to some retcons

[finite needle]

To be fair, I justthough GSC assumed most of the fans never played the original trilogy

[warped monolith]

kinda hard to think that with all the fanservice-y marketing

[finite needle]

Eh, fair

[humble nimbus]

yeah naw half of this game is like a lover letter to the OGs

you can really see it in the better armor designs

infact my fondest memories of 1.0 were like.. just completely fucking off and trying to find all the places i could recognize just from the sat data.

[hallow canopy]

Who else went around the map to revisit places from the Trilogy
I sure did

[humble nimbus]

that's like the first thing i did as soon as they let me out of the Lesser Zone

first stop Cordon and found my favorite early game armor

[hallow canopy]

The best kind of fun even in S2 is to not give a F about meta and just roll with what ya got

like a True Stalker

[finite needle]

Underbarrel shotgun my beloved

[west moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975199248431865966.webp?size=128

[trim totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ht5r9eOhSs** goat uploaded

[manic steeple]

Anyone got a list of must have mods for S2 1.7? The GOAT's new video (see above) made me delete gamma and start downloading S2 again

[dusty dove]

mods are not really working right now correctly

waiting for the next hotfix/patch

[manic steeple]

Like all mods? Reddit seems to state that OxA+Better Balistics goes a long way

[dusty dove]

I hear its finicky right now, some people say 1 mod will work but multiples will not + crashing, etc

its a weird spot right now

I am going to wait for the new patch this week or next week

[manic steeple]

Alright, thanks fort he ehadsup

[dusty dove]

no worries

[hallow canopy]

There are some mods that work that are up to date
Some that are conflicted with other mods and people dont realise
Some that wont work at all, and I dont know why

[manic steeple]

Yeah this statement from the oxa dev doesn't build much confidence

[hallow canopy]

There are a bunch mods to improve S2
But not all would lets say "Improve" the game as its intended
Small stuff like flashlight position, stop for NPC Spamming nades ect

[hallow canopy]

what is oxa?

[manic steeple]

Oxide's eXpanded Armory, to my understanding it has core/standard/prototype, where core features are essentially the ability to swap all attachments on all guns, while prototype adds repair system, new items etc.

[hallow canopy]

Yea that is advanced amout of Mods all in one package
Never hear it, never would use knowing how unstable it will be because Stalker 2 will constantly update and fix stuff

The Modders themselves would have a hard time catching up to those fixes and such

so I for instance endure and wait till I can use mods
Have bunch of them Manually selected and deactivated as 1.7 seems to be improving

[warped monolith]

the woes of modding a game in active development

[hallow canopy]

A good example of a Mod I had was NVD
Well guess why I dont need it anymore

Someone might add different types of NVD or colours thanks to GSC's addition

Later down the line, Binoculars will be a thing, that will also be modded to improve or out right have the old trilogy style or more

The Mosin got added in the game, dont need a mod for that anymore

The Improved AI difficulty (aka they dont die as quickly as I like it because bullet sponge)

I can die quickly, so can they all too

[late kernel]

The other reason i keep waiting for 2.0 and the engine update is by then we get better and more polished mods

[hallow canopy]

Those types of Mods
But if you expect NOW for a mod to be 100% working as well as provide the much needed and correct experience like Gamma
I suggest waiting with that Oxa mod

[hallow canopy]

Over time the mods will gradually increase and be better

as I said, I see the potential ahead for the future
One that will outpace Gamma

But between Gamma and S2 there will always be people who prefer one or other
or Both

[late kernel]

They're both good in their own unique way

[nova lake]

the correct experience?

[hallow canopy]

Yup

[hallow canopy]

Lets take some weapon mods, some would just add for any attachment to be added
GSC would pretty much neutralise that mod when they get they version of how a lot of attachments would work

Or the NVD with the canted aiming, the NVD mod Never did that, it just gave me a way to see thro the night with a Green lense

Now that Mod is useless and not needed

[manic steeple]

yeah to be honest, I should probably just try it vanilla, havent played since 1.2 I think.

How is the vanilla game balance, are mutants still incredibly bullet spongy etc?

[hallow canopy]

Cant remember now,in the past they were, and I took Stalker difficulty, not even trying Veteran knowing it would be already hard

However

The new Master Difficulty has shown me how both awesome and terrifying Stalker 2 can be
Enemies are not sponges, neither are you

Well some more/less mutants

However when landed right, and properly aimed, it really feels like they are easy to kill

So far I am enjoying the Vanilla Master Difficulty

[manic steeple]

that's interesting (and aligns with what you were saying)

You can bet that the damage remodelling mods arent tuned for Master