🤖🐛🦑helldivers

[twin perch]

The giggle lmao

I can hear the tyler1 scream

[brazen estuary]

so some water you can swim in and some you cant?

[earnest stag]

for now

[sharp kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers2-helldivers-titan-bug-bugdance-gif-13604068841632485050

[earnest stag]

So i bought both

and my numbers didnt update

[twin perch]

https://tenor.com/view/samus-metroid-beating-something-about-super-metroid-arm-cannon-gif-16751561090057902553

[earnest stag]

il guess this will fuck me up til they fix it

[twin perch]

Me too

[bleak patrol]

W-w-we already liberated Vandalon?

[plain bough]

Troost is next hombre

[bleak patrol]

B-b-but

[plain bough]

hehe butt

[bleak patrol]

Vandalon is my favourite planet

And I didn't get to fight on it

[plain bough]

L

[bleak patrol]

Man

This sucks

Also, I see that they really don't want us to have access to Omicron

[twin perch]

time to mail the repairguys a hellbomb

It's locked by supply routes iirc

[bleak patrol]

Nah, it's unlocked now

But

The previous planet now needs to be defended

And they are losing

[twin perch]

[bleak patrol]

Shame, really

[twin perch]

Let me check lmao

[bleak patrol]

Omicron is great

[twin perch]

Oh yeah they deffo don't want us to "eradicate" the bugs just yet lol

We probably could if we pushed defenses hard

Silly thought

camos for guns w kills

[bleak patrol]

That's one of the few planets where I can actually see someone wanting to live there

[twin perch]

get that Black n Gold Democracy for 10k kills

[bleak patrol]

It's a nice forest planet

Looks nice, has no negative effects

[twin perch]

Inb4 it's Catachan

[bleak patrol]

Like I don't understand people wanting to live on Ustotu or Hellmire

I can kinda see Vandalon or Malevelon Creek

Because Vandalon is just cold and Malevelon has funny storms

But

Hot planets with tremors and fire tornadoes?

Nah

Meteor showers, constant volcanic activity

Acid rains

[earnest stag]

[twin perch]

Honestly their crash warnings are useless

[earnest stag]

Nobody reads em

They should just disable that stuff til they got a fix

Way easier

[twin perch]

Another bug

would be funny if they like

had a message when you log in

instead of this shit

[late dagger]

whats that?

[obsidian flame]

a dead player's dogtag in Tarkov

his ingame name is Helldiver

[tawny herald]

there's new stuff ?

[plain bough]

HMG and Quasar launcher

[tawny herald]

[brazen estuary]

we love AMD fluid frames

[twin perch]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-shadow-wizard-money-gang-casting-spells-we-love-casting-spells-gif-13248176114891128394

[buoyant urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1204476804631498844/1222979343354171412/Screenshot_20240328_134007_Instagram.jpg?ex=66182f45&is=6605ba45&hm=2a2f25df260f85d08eb7e3d8bca9e1798652a126b94ae55771b07ee17f76654d&

[tawny herald]

the quasar can take down dropships

[twin perch]

Yeah

Its a energy RPG

You can 2 tap titans too

[pale hollow]

I love how the new HMG and Quasar are introduced as being for the automaton front. However, they are mostly useful on the terminid front.
The Quasar seems to just phase through the automatons half the fucking time, dealing no damage

[chilly badger]

And the HMG i have yet to find a use for the MG-43 can't handle.

[twin perch]

Its basically a fatter MG-43

W pen

[pale hollow]

It can sort of pen the automaton walkers, if you can fucking hit them with enough bullets.
Against bugs you can use it as a rapid fire slugger.

[twin perch]

Yesh its a 75 round punisher

I would like to have hard numbers on guns

[pale hollow]

Hive guards get creamed

[twin perch]

Dmh wise

[chilly badger]

Still think they should've made it a crew weapon.

More ammo, stashed on some poor bastards back.

[pale hollow]

Yeah, stats would be nice.

[chilly badger]

Im a sucker for the existing team weapons.

If you couldn't tell

Gunner or loader, i don't mind, together we are strong

[pale hollow]

Crew-served weapons are good fun

When you get that Recoilless tango going against the swarm of bile titans

[chilly badger]

Y'know.
What if the HMG got an ammo backpack.
By yourself, you still gotta load it.
With a loader....
The belt just goes from the pack to the gun.

[tawny herald]

I think the quasar can 2 tap hulks, or 1 tap on the head, I'm not sure, more testing is required

[chilly badger]

Fuck yeah, been there, done that.
Its orgasmic when you get that chain going.

[pale hollow]

Honestly, the auto cannon is just too good against the bots, everything else pales in comparison

On the other hand, the bots are too cancerous to fight without the AC

[eager cliff]

AC is very good i agree , but the laser one is rly good for a support build

[chilly badger]

The AC is just good.
Solo? Cheese reloads.
Duo? Fire away!

[tawny herald]

Recoiless is still good for killing dropships

also the railgun still exists

[eager cliff]

Yeah but AC is good vs medium bots as well

Like the fucking sword ones

or the devastators

[tawny herald]

For those u can still use the Scorcher/Slugger tho

[eager cliff]

does the laser quazar have backpack?

[tawny herald]

no

[eager cliff]

ah superb, you can run an ammo bag and give to teammates

or a shield or shit

[pale hollow]

I had a super heated extract the other day where both a teammate and I were running AC, heavy cunts pour in and I run up and act as loader for his gun. As soon as that boy realized that he had infinite ammo, he tore them to shreds

[chilly badger]

As soon as we discovered you can team reload no matter the (stationary) stance, our survivability rate sky-rocketed

Reloading the AC while prone looks goofy af

But if it means the bullets go OVER us, so be it

It is bit of a hassle using team weapons in public lobbies tho, at least for me.

Even when i actively offer to carry the ammo, i either get ignored or they cite "What if you die a gazillion meters away?"

As if i would run away from the gunner willingly.

I glue myself to their hands

*Disclaimer, do not glue yourself to the gunners hands.

[pale hollow]

I have seen a lot of calls for people being able to assist the gunner by using the gunner's backpack instead of having to wear it themselves.

Take the Recoilless for example, if you split the gun and ammo then you can't reload on your own. This is why it currently works best if two people use the same weapon and then just assist if they are close during the fight.

If you could carry just one single Recoilless reload without the backpack, then I would be much more willing to part with the backpack.

[chilly badger]

Eh, understandable.
In the end, can't really blame anyone for anything.

I'm an Emplacement guy myself, that includes mines.

I have been called the devil for it, but if it kills bugs, mines go whoosh.

I do look forward to the other stuff that's been teased

A "Trench wall" for example

Sounds fun

[pale hollow]

I mostly find turrets to work way better than mines, mines are just too situational and often don't eaven kill all who pass through.

[chilly badger]

Depends, AP mines work wonders to clean up fodder bugs.

And INC mines are great for softening bigger bugs, 'cept Bile Titans for obvious reasons.

Slamming down a field and watching the counter clock in at 30 is morbidly satisfying.

I do always stack a Gatling sentry tho

That thing

Is GOD

Against bugs

Actually, question

Does anyone ever use the MG sentry?

What is the main "perk" to it

[pale hollow]

MG sentry uses less ammo per bug, since it is more accurate and wastes less when turning from one target to the next.
In essence, the Gatling holds its own for a sort time while the MG assists a diver for a longer time.

Mostly though, the Gatling is just better 80% of the time.

[chilly badger]

Ikr?

Anything slips by the mines, it dies

But the mines sweeping up the fodder bugs helps

My setup for bugs is

INC mines
Gat Sentry
Stationary HMG
Stalwart

[pale hollow]

The Auto Cannon turret is insane though, outperforms all other direct-fire sentries

[chilly badger]

Whenever it eventually manages to turn onto a target.

The traverse speed is almost comical

[pale hollow]

Eh, with the turning upgrade it is quite fast

[chilly badger]

Yes yes, upgrades

I got 12 super samples and 137 "Rare" samples

I got 3 "commons"

[pale hollow]

classic

[chilly badger]

I aint getting the traverse upgrade for a WHILE

You know, i'm surprised that with team weapons, we haven't gotten a portable version of the stationary HMG with an ammo backpack.

Like, remove one gun/barrel.
It'd be perfect as our portable fifty-cal

[pale hollow]

A crew-served MG would be fun.
Btw, the AC sentry can sometimes straight up solo a heavy bug breach

[twin perch]

Welcome to the HMG

it's literally that

But without the backpack

[chilly badger]

Aye, wish it was a crew-serve

[twin perch]

I would have liked to have the backpack as an optional

to carry either more ammmo or a magfeed

[pale hollow]

Man, the HMG is so shit most of the time

[twin perch]

75 rounds bolter is ok tho

The main issue is that the sights are missaligned

again

and even w recoil armor, lying done

down*

1200 rpm is unusable (bots are too accurate too) and 750 is okay in bursts

lol

[pale hollow]

I hate the aiming delay for first person aiming on the HMG.
Also, the recoil is insane even with recoil reducing armour.

[chilly badger]

Then again

The devs have been chads so far, railgun nerf be damned.

They might give the HMG some love

And if it gets a crew-serve option

Goddamn

[twin perch]

For that to happen we basically need the 2nd weapon pass

But the main issue w the weapon rebalance is that they're doing it off

"Weapon fantasies"

[chilly badger]

Hell, even if it wont get a backpack, just the option to help reload and stabilize the gun would be great.

[twin perch]

Instead of "this feels/better worse"

Cough Counter Sniper

[chilly badger]

I hear ya

[twin perch]

I'm pretty sure it's one of the most hated and reviled guns

[chilly badger]

CS sucks balls

[twin perch]

and literally no one probably uses it

and it's still completely like, ignored

[pale hollow]

Counter Sniper aka Diligence's disabled older brother

[twin perch]

it's so fucking bad

Like, even if you try to make it work it just doesn't

Every other weapon works better than it

Plasma Punished included

Which is saying something since the Plasma Punisher is a very funky gun

[chilly badger]

Not helping is the sight not lining up.

Get that X right over an automaton head, and watch the bullet miss it by meters.

The name is honest tho

It countersnipes.

Our, snipers.

[twin perch]

the misaligned scopes are really a constant issue

I'm not sure how several guns have different amounts of misaling lol

I also feel they don't have good feedback? channels or places to report this

[chilly badger]

Super Earth manufacturing standards.

[twin perch]

Since iirc they killed the support forums

So like, super good game but please fix your things lmao

[pale hollow]

Taking feedback from a community in the hundreds of thousands (that genuinely wished for your death when you nerfed a single weapon) is an arduous task.

[twin perch]

It's just like, we have some communnication

but we have also like no direction on what they want to work on

I know it's like great to have surprises but knowing like

"We're reviewing weapons in mayi"

would be great lol

[chilly badger]

I agree with Potato
some parts of the community have perhaps scared the devs a little

Oh noooo, your noobtube got nerfed? Better threathen to kill the dev, his family and his little dog too.

[twin perch]

To be fair

That part of the community needs to be put down

Like a rabid dog

[chilly badger]

I agree

[twin perch]

but the devs also should take a bit more care w the enemy balance

transparency and all that

[chilly badger]

AHAHAHA

[twin perch]

don't just leave the 300% bots enabled for months

lmao

[chilly badger]

"enemy balance"

Fuck you, have 7 hulks

AT ONCE

[twin perch]

Yeah that's what I mean

even 5 can be a super chore

[pale hollow]

Joel when he sees you about to clear a Trivial mission with 0 deaths: "Absolutely not" Spawns 99 bile titans in your ass

[twin perch]

You could reliable beat 7 pre weapon patch

Reliably*

you'd die a bunch but you'd do it w randoms

I did a full 9 op solo

Now it's like super frustrating XD

specially w surprise patrols

[chilly badger]

Anyway, so far, been enjoying both fronts.

Most randoms i join are chill dudes/dudettes.

Was like, one guy yesterday that kept launching into swears and "We should ban morons like you" because it didn't pick up the SSSD.

The SSSD nestled between the toes of 5 hulks and a dozen Devestators.

[pale hollow]

I feel like up to level 7 should be doable by the majority of players in public groups, anything beyond that can be as difficult as they want it to be.

At this point, level 7 seems fine.

[chilly badger]

Safe to say, i did not get the SSSD

Guy insists "THEN LOOK HOW A PRO DOES IT"

He died

He quit.

[latent zodiac]

have a bit of a story about patrols and spawn balance
its diff 5, 3 small outposts left, bots, and we are passing by extract
i pass a rock to an open ice lake, see a patrol to the left, i start dealing with it since its so close it already saw me and is shooting
but then to the right of that patrol in this open ice lake that i already looked over the entire thing and saw the 1 patrol, another one spawned 15 meters from me and saw me
as soon as i look away

[chilly badger]

OOF

[latent zodiac]

patrols still spawn RIGHT on top of you and sometimes in a place that you just looked over and saw nothing, but are there when you look back

[chilly badger]

I was calling in a long stratagem
Then i just hear "DIE" and get sucker punched by a Devestator that im 100% certain wasnt there before

[latent zodiac]

this but the damn bot patrols

[pale hollow]

For some reason I have yet to encounter any patrol spawning bullshit, in all my 60 hours it has worked fine.

[chilly badger]

I mostly happens if you really get bogged down and emotionally attached to a side objective

Any longer than 7 to 10 minutes at such a place, and weiiiirrd things happen

But at that point

You are probably down to 2 reinforcements and there's 17 hulks chasing the Carrier

[twin perch]

I've experienced a lot of bullshit after the railgun patch

and bots have not been adjusted since

[eager cliff]

UK

[tawny herald]

bots spotting you from across the map for no reason at all

[pale hollow]

Could I interest you in a one-shot rocket good sir?

[twin perch]

Getting perma aggrod by a cunt 100m off that just keeps shooting at you

and will not go away

and will call bots on you because the cooldown is overe

[tawny herald]

even worse when its a gatling/rocket devastador

[twin perch]

Oh yeah and it's foggy and cloudy

Rocket Devs should be limited in the fucking rocket spam

heavy devas should have to stop firing sometime

The fact they can fire constantly

spin as fast as you run

and have perfect accuracy (and don't need to point the gun even at you)

[tawny herald]

they shoot a burst then they stop for a second but it could be changed for a longer cooldown tho

[twin perch]

Hulks have the same issue of turning as fast as you

[twin perch]

They only stop if they lose LOS

if they don't they will never fucking stop

[pale hollow]

I have reached the point where I use heavy armour with explosive resistance on all bot missions + the Auto Cannon to stun those fuckers.

[tawny herald]

ur talking about the shield devas? they shoot then stop for 1 second then start shooting again

[twin perch]

Shield devas yes

Also, I am hearing reports the HMG pens hulk eyes??

[pale hollow]

I could not kill one using it, but that may just be due to the ridiculous recoil.

[tawny herald]

anyone playing rn ?

[obsidian flame]

also it's not like they have to keep players in the loop

Safer to not have a "roadmap" so players won't get anal about senseless bullshit as they usually do

otherwise something 'planned for mid april' does not happen for any reason and it's death threats all over again

just let them cook

[twin perch]

Did Xan leave

[plain bough]

Troost is alot foggier than I expected

[late dagger]

Best way to farm SC credits?

[obsidian flame]

difficulty 1, hit all points of interest

use the lightest armor with the stamina enhancement for more and faster sprinting

bring whatever else you like

recommend any explosive hand grenade to blast open those metal containers, so you can use non-explosive support weapons. it's diff 1 so you can bring whatever

if you see a secure bunker that requires 2 players... curl up to fetal position, cry for 10 seconds, get up, move on

(if you're soloing )

[earnest stag]

[raw folio]

Damn they really said "fuck the british isles"

[tropic cosmos]

objective W for the world at large

[raw folio]

"But for one of you...."

Relevant meme right there

[obsidian flame]

Fuck Hawaii, too

[raw folio]

I choose to believe it accepted its patriotic duty and became part of the liberty ocean

[plain bough]

Finally hit lvl50

We at 30% with Troost so we're making good progress there

[obsidian flame]

can't wait for my free medals

[plain bough]

Wonder what shenanigans AH gonna drop for april fools

[tawny herald]

Slugger can destroy those for some reason

[obsidian flame]

even better

[bitter elk]

Still alive, what's up?

[obsidian flame]

is that a Matrix reference

doesn't someone say this about Smith?

or something

[tawny herald]

bro killed a devastador with a shovel, what a legend

[bleak patrol]

I tried the Spear today

[brazen estuary]

its such a cool weapon

[bleak patrol]

It's when it decides to lock-on

[brazen estuary]

but does nothing in 90% of cases

[brazen estuary]

and provided you arent too close and it over shoots

[bleak patrol]

I like to use it in order to snipe bot fabricators or turrets from 300+ meters

It also works very nice when you do a "coordinated takedown" with someone who uses another launcher of any type

[tawny herald]

sniping jammers with it is just

[raw folio]

"Nah the spear shouldn't get buffed that's crazy"

https://i.redd.it/i8kuwfj356rc1.gif

[twin perch]

I wonder if titans have tap spots

Like the leg joints

[earnest stag]

Imagine they implement a pixel perfect soft spot near the ass region where you can one shot it

[pale hollow]

Run trivial missions until you find a poi with 2 SC spawns, even better if you find multiple places next to each other that you can hit in quick succession.
Look at the map to figure out where the goods are, quit the game (don't leave mission) then boot the game and select the same mission, drop on the poi with the money. Rinse and repeat.
Boring but the fastest way to grind SC, if you find a good one it is roughly equal to saving 10 USD every hour compared to using real money.

[tranquil zealot]

best i had was 7 drops of sc per mission

[eager cliff]

[plain bough]

So we getting the eagle air-to-air strategem soon then

also we gonna be running around like headless chicken when gunships start firing at us lol

[eager cliff]

Eagle 1

[earnest stag]

It might sound weird

But earlier today my Eagle with the Mech i ordered crashed on an eradicate Automatons mission

[balmy spire]

guys what best i can buy in this game

[earnest stag]

Nothing.

[balmy spire]

what about 500 kg bomb

[earnest stag]

It all has its purposes for its situations

[twin perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKnHP5nuTo

WATCH OUT BOSS, THATS AN ENEMY CHOPPER

[earnest stag]

COLONEL

[twin perch]

IT CAN CUT YOU DOWN IN TWO WITH ITS MACHINEGUN

[earnest stag]

And in the end you will eat full belts and shrug it off with Rations

i loved that

[twin perch]

Sidenote

Hiw the fuck sre we supoosed to balance stratagem usage

Now that we need another dedicated tool for a new enemy

[earnest stag]

AA vehicles

[twin perch]

AA eagle that misses half yhe time

Vs bot vtols that aggro from 200m

[plain bough]

If the gunship aint too different Im sure our RPGs can do it easily

[twin perch]

Hopefully

The word aerial gunship implies

1: missile spam, 2: heavy MG? laser spam

3: having armor

Otherwise we can just shoot it down with a Slugger lma

[plain bough]

Anyone hear that supposedly AH wanna revamp the current armor system that we have

[twin perch]

Yes

||Charger spam||

My AH trust is an all time low

Due bot balance

and some guns just

CS

coughh

bruh

That's not it

[plain bough]

Got my hands on the Scorcher, pretty good against bots though need either larger magazines or more of em

[pale hollow]

The Scorcher really feels like a gun you should only bring if you don't plan on using the autocannon or grenade launcher

It really struggles to stand on its own

[plain bough]

sickle will stay my beloved for a while longer

[pale hollow]

The Sickle really is great, unless the shrubbery is in my way

[plain bough]

shrubs best armor

[obsidian flame]

two tiny aspects of the game aren't tuned to perfection
trust at an all time low
disappointment immeasurable
day ruined

meanwhile actual problems still not being fixed

getting shot through terrain, getting stuck on the side of the pelican door

[twin perch]

Fence.

[pale hollow]

It does shoot through fences.... sometimes...

[plucky steppe]

the game needs work and the Devs are working on it, a lot of the worries are unfounded and will be resolved. The devs are listening to their community which is pretty evident with their updates so far.

“Trust is an all time low” is ridiculous given how the devs have been non stop fixing bugs the entire time since launch and still manage to put out new content.

[obsidian flame]

unfortunately there's bugs since launch that haven't been fixed yet. leaves a sour taste in ppl's mouth

but imo complaining that one gun out of 50+ isn't good is just...

[earnest stag]

Nobody knows how deep those bugs go.Haha since they use tunnels.

Could be that some really require a ton of work to figure out

Nobody knows

[pale hollow]

Also, the engine is abandoned by its creators. I imagine the code for Helldivers 2 is quite the pile of spaghetti

[obsidian flame]

same devs, same creators
also it was their own decision to use the HD1 engine

which itself was probably an offshoot of the Magicka engine

[pale hollow]

It uses the Autodesk Stingray game engine (aka Bitsquid).
The engine has been abandoned for several years

[obsidian flame]

you said the exact same thing I said with extra words

[pale hollow]

Your phrasing made it seem like Arrowhead was the engine creators

[plain bough]

didn't know warhammer vermintide and darktide was made with bitsquid too

[obsidian flame]

quadsar

[obsidian flame]

oh right, my mistake

but it's an engine they've been using for a looong time

[hallow rain]

Goes to show how much better Darktide would be if those devs worked on it.

[bleak patrol]

"[...] it appears to have been broadcasting outside the Galactic Frontier."

I don't like that one bit

[bleak patrol]

Enemy lasers: shoots through literal rocks in order to hit the player
Player lasers: I hit a dust particle, guess I die

[pale hollow]

Are you sure that the enemy is using lasers?
Might just be that the automatons dedicate most of their bullets' mass to tracers

[plain bough]

current automatons being the vanguard, they asking for better equipment moment

considering how we also nearly cleaned up the current galactic map of automatons and they're limited to 3 planets atm

bet they punch through from the north/south part of the galaxy near super earth

[pale hollow]

The Automatons are going to suddenly appear around Cyberstan, coincidentally timed with a Cyborg uprising.
That is where we are heading, I suspect.

[bitter elk]

Hm, the enemies swarm certainly reduced now, that's nice.

[obsidian flame]

I think the setup in HD1 was more interesting... beat the factions, they're done until the war is over. War is over = a new one begins

better than enemies arbitraily popping up outta nowhere

[late dagger]

So just quit and relog?

[obsidian flame]

Suppose it'll only be like that after they implement faction bosses

[late dagger]

Like alt f4?

[twin perch]

Ayo?

No more 7 Hulks?

I'm trusting u Xan

Prayge

[plain bough]

occasional hulks on diff 5 with either tanks or more hulks being at large automaton bases

[twin perch]

Droppin a 7 on Malevolon

[pale hollow]

Just press escape and quit the game

[late dagger]

You don't lose the mission?

[pale hollow]

I am 80% sure that we will have the same system in the end.
However, during the initial content rollout they will be directing a bit of story for us to enjoy before the system is reduced to an automatic numbers game.

[pale hollow]

As long as you quit, no

[late dagger]

Weird

I'll try it later tonight

[plain bough]

anyone tried doing that with a 100sc drop pack yet to see if it guarantee spawns another one?

[twin perch]

The 1 deaths left are real

Xan is right

[obsidian flame]

[pale hollow]

100sc is not tied to the map seed, therefore you cannot cheese it

[plain bough]

so purely % chance you roll a 100sc, alrighty

[pale hollow]

Not sure if it is entirely chance based, it might be.
It might also depend on the players in the match and how many SC they have earned recently, the 100sc is quite elusive.

[plain bough]

only ever gotten that 100sc pack twice in my entire gameplay, and thats 90+ hrs already

[twin perch]

Get smacked by 1 rocket

followed u p by 3 more

heavy armor :c

OH YEAH IT PENS HULKS EYES

[plain bough]

the HMG?

[twin perch]

Yeah

the fit

[plain bough]

Now that I look at it, kinda resembles a bit like the Mass Effect helmet there

Just waiting for the next warbond, that heavy armor is excellent drip

[twin perch]

Man I keep trying to use the HMG

and it doesn't work whenever i want to

dripge

[plain bough]

feel like the drum mag of the HMG should've hold more ammo considering the spent shell size if ya look at it

Now we just need a minigun + backpack strategem

[twin perch]

-> Peek heavy deva

start shooting him

he drops me instantly

I think more guns need "better stagger"

this fucking cunt

I keep turning dreads for him

and he just runs way

HMG either needs bigger mags, or 3rd aim (or fix the current scope)

[plain bough]

helldivers learning tactics impossible difficulty

[twin perch]

I'm just gonna chill till we have another balance pass

Oh yeah you can pen the tank with the HMG lmao

I wanna run these funky kits but

Heavy armor ? bad, ballistic shield? kinda bad

HMG? kinda ok but also no stagger

[brazen estuary]

the pump shoty is really good for bots

its stun locks the larger 2 legged ones

[twin perch]

I hope the heavy armor rework goes thru

[brazen estuary]

I hope the un squisify the divers over all

[bleak patrol]

Ballistic shield bad? I disagree

HMG is meh

I don't like using it one bit

Heavy Armor also works fine for me

[plain bough]

Pretty comfortable using light armor against bots

[bitter elk]

Sorry what?

I've been quite busy so I didn't have much chance to reply and read

[bleak patrol]

I'm not

[plain bough]

best armor is not getting hit

[bleak patrol]

The lightest I'll go is medium for bots

And it's only for one mission type

Blitz

[plain bough]

well we'll see if that armor revamp ever goes through

[bleak patrol]

Other than that I run Heavy and I feel like it works

I survive more direct rocket hits

[plain bough]

personally heavy armor should have like light armor pen resistance like our enemies

[bitter elk]

Oh kosm talking about me testing the swarm intensity, lmao.

D7 old intensity (post mech release) have been shifted up to D8, appropriately enough

D9 is where the usual all hell break loose elite spam.

So all is well in a world of fun once again

[bleak patrol]

So you're telling me there's less enemies now?

Less targets to shoot?

Man

[bitter elk]

Just go to D8, you'll get the same experience anyway hehe

But yeah pretty much

[bleak patrol]

No reason to go D8

[bitter elk]

There is a significant decrease

In term of enemy volume

[bleak patrol]

I see no reason to play D8 or D9, as I get all I need from D7 anyway

[bitter elk]

For every levels below D8

That's true

I only ever hit D8 for the beautiful 5 number of rare samples

Which is pointless now but still

I didn't extensively test Automatons yet

[bleak patrol]

Oh, you only tested bugs

[bitter elk]

So I can't conclusively ascertain if it changed, but if the dropship was reduced then it'd be fine

[bleak patrol]

I ain't going bugs anytime soon anyway

[bitter elk]

Yeah automatons not yet

I'll work on that soon when I have time

[bleak patrol]

I hate bugs

They are peak annoying

[plain bough]

burn em all

[bleak patrol]

I burn them, all right

[bitter elk]

Tbh what makes or break bug runs is the random appearance or lack thereof

Of bile spewers

[bleak patrol]

Nah

[bitter elk]

At least for me

I find those annoying really

[bleak patrol]

Spewers are ok, at least they keep the things interesting

I prefer being shot at

[raw folio]

I see bile spewers and my first thought is "I shoulda brought a gl"

[bitter elk]

I mean it's less about interesting and more about how often I tend to get sneaked up and puked on from the patrols post-mech release intensity

[bleak patrol]

You get sneaked on?

Damn

[bitter elk]

Fine, skill issue me.

Anyway

[bleak patrol]

My Tab abusing ass can't relate

[bitter elk]

Yeah whenever I don't have a GL

And they spawn, man, a bit of a rough time lol

[bleak patrol]

The only time I regret not taking anything bigger on a bug mission is when a Titan spawns in and I'm either playing solo or my friends decided to skedaddle away as usual

[plain bough]

bile spewers are big but they don't really make any noise sneaking up behind ya to vomit

especially in a firefight

[bleak patrol]

Other than that, I'm comfortable with taking the Flamethrower 9 out of 10 times

[raw folio]

It gets real annoying when they clump up

[bitter elk]

It's less of a problem now thankfully

Since fight inherently aren't as thick volume wise to keep you distracted long enough that Spewers just assassinate you from behind

Post... Whatever changes

I haven't kept up with the updates

[bleak patrol]

I'll be honest, I haven't noticed any bigger changes to enemy spawns post-mech except that one time the game outright said "Ye, more bugs" and I kept running into neverending patrols

[bitter elk]

Though regardless of enemy presence and whatnot, hunters a re still top priority elimination as ever.

[plain bough]

hunters flanking ya for that booty

[bitter elk]

Yeah that's basically what it was, constant neverending fight if you don't disengage, for a fair while before the new change

[bleak patrol]

That's not what I meant

I didn't notice any big changes

When they said they reduced armored enemy spawns, I didn't notice it

[bitter elk]

Oh that's what you meant.

[bleak patrol]

Not only that

[bitter elk]

Yeah on that regards I feel like nothing really changed

In term of elite spawns lol

[bleak patrol]

When people started saying that they increased the enemy spawns post-mech, I didn't notice it as well

The one time I noticed more enemies

Was when the game said "Increased [faction] resistance"

And only then was it noticeable for me

Other than those times

It was business as usual for me

[bitter elk]

I mean, clearly you've shown performance beyond what any of us are usually capable of, so if you had dispatching speed that is quicker than the average norm, I have no doubts the spawn difference would be all that noticeable

Or perhaps disengaging more?

I only ever play with my duo for the majority of the game so I tend to notice if I got any variance in fight volumes usually

[bleak patrol]

I wouldn't say "performance beyond any of us", and I honestly feel like I'm being mocked with this line

[bitter elk]

Ah, sorry for that, didn't really mean to, but you do have a dedicated group I presume?

[bleak patrol]

I either play solo or I have 1-2 friends

[raw folio]

I've noticed a shift in spawning most definitely when suddenly I was getting tanks semi-reliably diff 3 when previously that was a lot more rare

[bleak patrol]

When we play bugs I am responsible for taking out the swarms as I tend to take more AoE focused weapons

Which may be why I didn't notice the higher numbers

As they just

Died

[bitter elk]

A possibility

Since prior to the change, you didn't require a dedicated aoe clear

But now, you do, without one you are in for a bad time

[bleak patrol]

I just stumbled upon that role

[bitter elk]

I just stopped playing automatons entirely during the

3+ dropship shenanigans

[bleak patrol]

With my love of the Flamethrower and Incendiary Breaker

[bitter elk]

Every flare was a significant change in pressure level

To not mention how the removed scrambled stratagem

The only fun strata

[bleak patrol]

Forgets the Scrambler is on
Drops 500kg bomb at their feet

[bitter elk]

I've been mostly using GL or HMG these days tbh

Mostly because I'm tryna love the HMG

[bleak patrol]

I gave HMG one try

[bitter elk]

It's a bit of in a weird spot for me right now

I'm not fully certain of what it can do and potential but yeah

[bleak patrol]

And it went like that:
Damn the HMG kinda sucks, Imma swap it for that AMR that we found lying around
(AMR is my most disliked support weapon)

[bitter elk]

Oh yeah, first time trying it out

Sucked BALLs lol.

Mostly because

I came in with the expectations to go full Rambo for a solid 15 seconds

5 seconds firing annnd it's dry, lol.

[bleak patrol]

I will give it a shot again once I get my new PC

Because as it is right now

I can't use 1st person aim at all

[bitter elk]

You kinda just... Instinctively know where it is eventually but yeah true, no reticle is ass lol

[bleak patrol]

I have 20-30 fps, can't aim 1st person with that

[bitter elk]

I treat it like a shotgun almost

Also the reload time

Jesus lol

[bleak patrol]

lemme just set up a campfire in the middle of the battlefield so that I can reload my gun in peace

[bitter elk]

For how much bullets it has and the impact it actually provides

I might as well bring autocannon

[bleak patrol]

Autocannon
The one true all-purpose weapon on Bot missions

[bitter elk]

I would have given it a solid thumbs up if it had 200 ammo

For all that reload speed

75 is just lmao

Why bother

Unironically made me appreciate the sentry HMG even more so than I already did

So damn good, in the right spot.

Only nemesis being the charger

[bleak patrol]

Charger
Destroyer of hopes
Obliterator of turrets
A being that dies to 1/4th of Flamethrower's canister

[plain bough]

spit on their legs

[bleak patrol]

I'm still on my quest to melee kill a charger

[bitter elk]

Stun grenade my beloved

So good at saving turrets

[bleak patrol]

I'm not the biggest fan of stun nades

[bitter elk]

But the lack of impact

Is greatly felt.

[bleak patrol]

Sure, they are helpful at times

[bitter elk]

I will be honest.

[bleak patrol]

But they have only one specific use

And it's in the name

[bitter elk]

Personally I just love the safe space they create, including for bile titan dealing

But yeah I can understand not liking it as much

And against bots I'd prob just bring impact

[bleak patrol]

Incendiary is my go-to for bugs
I have a thing for fire, you see

[bitter elk]

Because tank and hulk can be dealt with easily with that

Impact to vent for tank, impact legs for hulk

Easy peasy

[bitter elk]

Ah I don't have that one yet

[bleak patrol]

The best use I found for it is dropping it on a breach

It can also destroy hives

[bitter elk]

Oh yeah speaking of dropping nade on breach

[bleak patrol]

And has teamkilling capabilities

[bitter elk]

I greatly enjoy stunning whole breach pack

And doing 500kg with them

It's SO satisfying to see them all bunch up

And just die to one support fire

[bleak patrol]

I found the stun duration too short to pair it with airstrikes unless I airstrike first

[bitter elk]

Indeed, I usually have to dedicate a couple nade

But not a problem since I'm resident crack head sipping on supply bagpacj

[bleak patrol]

The sweet sweet supply juice

[bitter elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bond-james-name-gif-23438741

But yeah both impact, and stun nade have my love declared for them

The rest, lol good night

[bleak patrol]

The small nade

I hate it for a stupid reason

[plain bough]

around 2 weeks for the next warbond, wonder how that thermite grenade will do

[bleak patrol]

I expected it to increase nade capacity

Because it's

Small

But no, you get a smaller nade and just 4 of them

[bitter elk]

Yep lol

[bitter elk]

Hopefully good

[plain bough]

I don't really expect the weaponry of the warbond to be particularly useful

[bleak patrol]

What is the next warbond theme?

[bitter elk]

Lo I just hope

It's at least one of em is good

I'm spending my time to grind for it

[plain bough]

explosive, Democratic Detonation

[bitter elk]

Sickle was a pleasant surprise

[bleak patrol]

Explosives, one of my favourites

[plain bough]

I expect it to be more along the line of explosive resistance on the armors

Adjudicator DMR, Explosive crossbow and bolt action bolter

[bleak patrol]

Unpopular opinion
I don't really like it

[twin perch]

Im sadge there is no free WB

[bleak patrol]

But the Arc Shotgun is funny

[twin perch]

Bolt Bolter

[plain bough]

its funny seeing it work in the leak videos

[bitter elk]

Valid, I just like it since it's the stalwart that could've beeb

Been*

[plain bough]

still saw it destroy factories shooting it in the vents so it might have a niche

[twin perch]

Hopefully it has good pen

So you can pack that w stal

[bleak patrol]

The shoot delay kills the Sickle for me

...and often it also kills me

[bitter elk]

How does that even happen

[bleak patrol]

Simple

[plain bough]

crossbow seems to be 50/50 tho no video of that yet, has multiple mags with 5 each in em

[bleak patrol]

Enemy in front of me

I want shoot

I don't shoot for 0.5s

Enemy shoot first

My aim goes off

I die

[bitter elk]

Oh kek

[bleak patrol]

But I don't die

Because sweet medic armor

[bitter elk]

I thought the gun itself

Kills u

Like the 2nd on the pass

Plasma shotgun

[bleak patrol]

Plasma shotgun is funny

Anything that can kill a walker is ok for me

[bitter elk]

Idk how to feel about it lol

Almost wish it had a little bit more forward thrust

[bleak patrol]

The main thing I like about it is that the shots don't bounce

[plain bough]

bouncing plasma balls lol

[bleak patrol]

Unlike the GL

Which can bounce back at you

But I still treat the Plasma shotgun more as a support weapon

It's not very good at dealing with threats on it's own

So it's good if you play in group, but I wouldn't recommend to use it solo

Arc Shotgun is my fav from this warbond

Unfortunately it tends to just not hit anything

I'd rather have it hit my friend than not anything at all

Because at least it leads to some funnies

[bitter elk]

Lol it hitting friends is always funny

It's like being bitch slapped with a fly zapper

But yeah the consistency of arcing, wish it was more... Solid, idk how to call it

A bit more range? And clearif it's connecting

[bleak patrol]

Aim at an enemy
Pull the trigger
The arc does a 90 degree turn to the right just to hit your friend

[bitter elk]

Yep kek

[plain bough]

all these guns inside crates instead of SC making me act up

[obsidian flame]

[hallow rain]

Yuh. I need like 17 bucks for the warbond

Not a flamethrower on a bot planet

[plain bough]

Me when I find 3 arc throwers in a mission

[hallow rain]

I'm sure there are pawn shops in Super Earth that would give a couple bucks for one of those

[plain bough]

Think I'll get sent to a freedom camp if I sell military equipment lol

[earnest stag]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9zEisj54uD0?si=_r4kl3E5v7_eo86t

[plain bough]

Kinda wish bunkers don't spawn when you're solo instead

[earnest stag]

replaced by a red blow panel door

would be nice

[bleak patrol]

Replace bunkers with the "I left some oatmeal" pod

[light nymph]

the game is designed so that at any point a squad mate can pop in... So they can't really force that

also

[obsidian flame]

lmao

it would be cool if they could manipulate the map generator to not add secure bunkers if a player is soloing

but I don't think they would or even should do it

[late dagger]

what if the automatons could disable the exfil beacon

[obsidian flame]

ah yes let's make them able to break the game

what could possibly go wrong

[late dagger]

i mean they are sentiant and have hands

why couldnt they

[obsidian flame]

it's already bad enough that they can jam our strats

[late dagger]

i hate only having 3 slots

[bleak patrol]

I don't mind only having 3 slots

Better than +100% call-in time

[bleak patrol]

Bruh

[obsidian flame]

fuck

[bleak patrol]

Not even really mad

[buoyant urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1204476804631498844/1223477381596188682/FB_IMG_1711770128406.jpg?ex=6619ff1a&is=66078a1a&hm=3c99feebf8104b60668a31c9ecdebc9ac934371ac9e47dde0fd1bd509a47e714&

[elfin wagon]

we like fortnite we like fortnite

[earnest stag]

No we dont

[plain bough]

we don't do fortnut here

[twin perch]

https://youtu.be/ku2xqVTXXNY

[plain bough]

Guess we losing Draupnir today

[twin perch]

theoretically we should cut it off

before it's lost

[green loom]

What website is that?

[twin perch]

Check pins

[obsidian flame]

"check pins"
half of it is memes

[obsidian flame]

https://helldivers.io/

[green loom]

Ty

[eager cliff]

[obsidian flame]

mf can't even be helpful and copypaste a link to a website he already has open

[plain bough]

Just too difficult fam

[twin perch]

@obsidian flame i am on my fucking phone

You've been fucking picking since these past few days, kindly fuck off

You can also fuck off if you'd like

[earnest stag]

Needs to be pinned

[obsidian flame]

[earnest stag]

Is pinned

[obsidian flame]

that's the joke

[earnest stag]

Fuck me

[light nymph]

we do our best to moderate propperly

[obsidian flame]

it's pinned but buried under a shitton of regarded memes

[bleak patrol]

It's not that hard to find

But unfortunately people can't scroll for shit

[obsidian flame]

[bleak patrol]

I'll take your lack of words as admitting defeat

[obsidian flame]

defeat of what

I got the link

(while also on the phone)

[bleak patrol]

Don't care

If you insist on being an asshole then I can also be one

[obsidian flame]

if it makes you feel better, go for it

[bleak patrol]

Nah, I ain't doing you a favor

[obsidian flame]

who said anything about me, I just want what's best for you

[plain bough]

less hoeing, more democracy

[bleak patrol]

Did somebody say

[obsidian flame]

🧑‍🌾

[gray violet]

I tried the quasar gun for the first time, I liked it

[bleak patrol]

Quasar is cool

The only real issue I have with it is that it doesn't fire often enough for it to be a multipurpose weapon

[twin perch]

Yeah, low rof can hurt

[bleak patrol]

It makes it great against big threats

[twin perch]

Lmao

[bleak patrol]

But using it against medium annoyances just wastes a shot

[twin perch]

they boosted draupnirs

we're fucked

[bleak patrol]

Would've been fine if we defended it instead

[twin perch]

Imagine they delay new guns cause we failed

[bleak patrol]

It's on us, really

The choice to push Ubanea instead of defending Draupnir was a tactical blunder

[twin perch]

Yeah, I feel we didn't push hard enough imoi

[bleak patrol]

Yes, we either go 100% into pushing or go defending

We didn't do either

[twin perch]

Looks at the 120k players still on bugs

XD

[bleak patrol]

I can't blame the bug people

Even though I hate bugs I'd rather play on Omicron

[twin perch]

Truf

Draupnir sucks kinda ass

lol

[bleak patrol]

Order is not lost yet

There's still a chance for success

[obsidian flame]

will losing draupnir lock the Tibit sector off?

[bleak patrol]

Draupnir connects to Ubanea

We need Draupnir to take Ubanea, and we need Ubanea to attack Tibit

[obsidian flame]

wouldn't it be nice if the game showed that info

[bleak patrol]

Depends on how you look at it

[obsidian flame]

I'm sure more people would've gone to Draupnir if they knew how the planets are connected

[bleak patrol]

In this case it doesn't seem to matter much

I need to jump into the game to check it tho

Ok, one could argue that we already have access to Tibit, as we technically have them surrounded

But since we don't, then it's clear that it's not how supply lines go

It's clear that we need Ubanea to attack Tibit

And Ubanea only gets unlocked when we have Draupnir

Another thing that is worth noting is that we have already shown that we can't defend against Automatons

[obsidian flame]

"won't" is more likely than "can't" because of the shitty rescue mission that AH never fixed

[bleak patrol]

People probably still don't want to defend based on the previous defense ops experiences

However

As stated previously

There were two choices that would allow us to push further

And we did neither of them

We either had to defend Draupnir, slowing the push on Ubanea but securing the supply line

Or push Ubanea with all we have

We have enough people on Automaton front to do either of those, but not both

If people from Terminid front would come to help us, we could maybe both defend and push

But this is a maybe

The safest choice was to defend

But we got hit with a major case of a tunnel vision

[obsidian flame]

I plead guilty

[twin perch]

If we somehow push 10% in 2 hours we win urba

We aint' cooking

[plain bough]

it's the weekends too, where's the people

[earnest stag]

Easter weekend most people are with famillie or on vacation

[plain bough]

abandon family, democracy calls

[tranquil zealot]

If your family demands time which keeps you from spreading democracy
Then your family belongs into an reeducation camp

[obsidian flame]

[twin perch]

Draup

[obsidian flame]

https://i.redd.it/5x5p264othrc1.gif?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

the ultimate meme

[tawny herald]

''The Quasar is not even that good"

[twin perch]

and so the war is lost

[plain bough]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-bye-peace-see-ya-g2g-gif-5181030

[twin perch]

Notice how like everyone in Urbanea

[plain bough]

Maybe we'll get gunships now to step on our nuts without the anti-air strategem

[twin perch]

Just went and gone

[obsidian flame]

time for the Spear to shine

[plain bough]

gotta shake the camera so the budget lock-on system will work

maybe

[twin perch]

Me trying to lock on a factory/turret

"you need 100% fog clear sight of line with direct 100% view of the target and the planets must align"

[bleak patrol]

Usual gamer be like
"No I did not make a bad decision, the game is just bad, fuck this shit"

[twin perch]

||The bot balance is right, so it's unironically a skill issue rn||

I banged out an eradication mission without d ying on 7

so

lol

[bleak patrol]

I've noticed the game just got so much easier

[twin perch]

Yeah they dialed bots back

[bleak patrol]

To the point where I spent half the mission just wondering where all the bots at

[twin perch]

3 randoms and we only died like 3 times total

[twin perch]

hit 9

[bleak patrol]

No point

Unless difficulty will also influence squad impact

[plain bough]

Still randoms running out in the open as I point out the cannon towers on an automaton base moment

[bleak patrol]

There's literally no point in going above 5 if all you want is progress the war

[slim coral]

Since they increased damage of EAT

Does it deal more effective damage against Hulks now

[bleak patrol]

But it's funny right now

[plain bough]

tbh, higher diffs should increase the squad impact amount, could get more done doing trivial missions than any other diff

[bleak patrol]

There's my overweight heavy armor ass just blasting everyone he sees and the bots don't react with proper force

Today was the first time in a while where I completed a bot mission with 0 deaths

[slim coral]

Add impossible difficulty so you only get 4 reinforcements

[bleak patrol]

2 days ago we completed a D5 op on Omicron and for whatever reason it had squad impact of 6

[twin perch]

I wish they did this

[bleak patrol]

They should

[plain bough]

every diff tier should add another 10(insert whatever percentage it was) in increments for squad impact rating fr

[twin perch]

I assume they are not doing it because the % of players

But difficulty atm is "how many warbonds/samples" I want to grind XD

Specially without prestige or any sort of resource sink

[plain bough]

me casually waiting for new warbonds, research points, weapon customization

[obsidian flame]

yea difficulty rn is just for medal/sample farming

and idk dick measuring contest

I'd rather just chill at 5

and for super samples I'll just do 7 and get 3 per mission

[plain bough]

I've done page 10 of the free pass now, hit max lvl in character and ship, literally farmed enough SC for the next couple premium passes

there's nothing left for me lol

[obsidian flame]

only democracy

[slim coral]

Is Quasar cannon good

[plain bough]

rechargable EAT basically

so yeah

[obsidian flame]

yes but it's not an instant 'I win' button

[twin perch]

I ran recoiless earlier

stupid thought

bigger weakpoint on hulks w rocket launchers

[plain bough]

Quasar is my favorite cause I can't rely on randoms to bother helping destroy bot bases with towers

[twin perch]

You can see about 50% of the impact decal across the hull's eye

but it's not a crit

XD

[bleak patrol]

I'm for sure just going to drop to D5 once I max everything out

[eager cliff]

Yeah i am maxed rn

[twin perch]

I want to hit 100 super samples

[eager cliff]

They defo need to add more grind

It's crazy

[twin perch]

that or resource sink grind for something

even if it's worthless

lol

[bleak patrol]

Spend 100 super samples to tell one random player on Creek to go defend Draupnir ffs

[twin perch]

Req has had this issue since the moment you hit lvl 30

cause you tend to have bought everything

[plain bough]

I would give the fresh meat my req if it was possible

[twin perch]

Oh newbie donation fund

would be cute

or community funding kinda deal

where if people donate X amount of

we get bonuses for a time

or unlock new things

[plain bough]

sounds reasonable

[twin perch]

Donate enough resources on a planet and you get positive modifivers

with 1 at 7-8-9

and 2 under that

also the "make map objectives tied to modifiers" keeps popping up

suggestion, that would be great lmao

no more 100% calldown if you nuke scramblers

[plain bough]

forcibly give everyone free 500kg bombs to use with enough money

[obsidian flame]

6 is fun as well but just a tiny bit more than what I'm comfortable with

[obsidian flame]

that'd make requisition actually useful and sounds awesome

[plain bough]

donate now, for democracy

[vocal hornet]

Helldive or bust, no helldive means you’re not a helldiver

Helldivers helldive

Democracy is slicked with the corpses of traitors, automatons and bug juice

Freedom is fueled by the deaths of martyrs

Anything below 9 is a milkrun

[obsidian flame]

[twin perch]

LMAO

@bleak patrol @plain bough

the fucking shaming

[plain bough]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shaking-head-gif-21797829

[bleak patrol]

But that's exactly what I was saying

[twin perch]

You know what feels really weird

[plain bough]

we ain't getting the major order done now lol

[twin perch]

How the fuck haven't we taken the Creek

Our asses is grasses

but mind you

Devs should really re-tune defense missions

no fucking one wants to do that shit

[bleak patrol]

There were 50k people defending Draupnir

[plain bough]

I don't need to get assaulted by 15 dropships coming with 50 hulks on defense missions

[twin perch]

Literally that

A defense on 5 is worse than a 9

lmao

[bleak patrol]

Nah guys, I'm not with you on this

[twin perch]

Listen

I'll give a defense mission a try again

and if turns out it's "we're going to chain drop ship you"

I'm calling bs

[bleak patrol]

I'm done

This is getting too annoying for me

Can't go to Helldivers discord because they are annoying there as well

[twin perch]

Aw

Specify what's the issue at least

Is it the defense mission bithcing?

[bleak patrol]

No, they are fighting with each other in general

Everyone is blaming Creekers and Buggers

And they are mad in general

[twin perch]

That's just skill issue

[plain bough]

Well a decent chunk is on bugs, but getting pelted with just a few shots even in heavy armor on bots doesn't really help for the casual majority

[bleak patrol]

And this message is exactly what I was saying before, but written in an official matter

[twin perch]

It's just a factor osf several thigns

I unironically hope this like, gives devs some insight into touching up things down the line

Cause 95% urbanea is oof

[bleak patrol]

Nah, I don't think it's on devs now

I will not even pretend it's on devs

[twin perch]

Also unironically it's really funny since there's nothing to spend warbonds on for most players, everyone probably went "nah"

who were maxed

[twin perch]

This one is 100% on players

XD

[bleak patrol]

Yes

As I said before, there were 2 possibilities to not fuck up there and neither was picked

Either push Ubanea with everything or defend Draupnir properly

[twin perch]

Draup would fall a tthe same % if there was 10 people or 100k

But I guess people didn't realize that

[bleak patrol]

What we got was too weak of a push and absolutely pathetic defense

But I do like the plans they have right now

Liberate Creek so that Creekers have nowhere to play

And I see they are doing it

If we can accept that we'll lose the MO, that's a very funny play that I approve

[twin perch]

Liberate bugs so the bug frot is forced to fight bots

[bleak patrol]

However, if we want to complete the MO

The Malevelon party has to switch to Draupnir

[twin perch]

It's impossible unless literally everyone shifts towards Draup

and then literally everyone pushes Urbanea and Tib

[bleak patrol]

If we retake Draupnir fast enough, we'll still have some leftover liberation % on Ubanea

[twin perch]

We basically need to shit out a 10% or higher liberation rate

[clear lintel]

The offensive on the Creek is affectings Arrowhead narrative