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i want to argue that the sa50 m4a4 is also overtiered due to the firefly being the same shit + AA cannon
the amx30 1972 is a 7.7 at best it has nothing going for it
if shit like the cent mk1 can be 6.0
Yeah but imagine giving frenchies something like t55a it wouldnt be fair
same goes for the b2/brenus which should be ATLEAST -0.3
the amx32 is completely and utter dogshit
amx32 is same BR as t-72A
i think it'd be fair to lower the french BRs
actually let me give you an ever better perspective
XM-1 is 9.3

its the same BR as that
Well br decompression is a bitch
its easy for french honetsly
an amx-50 is gonna pen an is-2 1944 just as easy as a 105mm HEAT shell
the balancing part is no autoloader
I mean i had to play leo I with no df105 or raketenautomat
yea but its not 8.3/8.7
also it has HEAT-FS and not normal heat
the 20mm is a useless cannon it cant even sidepen light vehicles lol
its also faster lol
and the mantlet can stop shells (somehow)
Gaijin would like to inform you that 20mm cannons are worse than 50 cals
i think genuinely the 20mm is worse at trackbreaking than 50cal
the 14.5mm can destroy barrels easily btw
EASILY
I mean realism am i rite
yes im sure 500 rounds of HE would never unlink a track much less destroy
it HAS to be api-t bro
the amx-40 doesnt strike me as a good 10.0 tank either
I didnt really play french after 7.7 but after apfsds most things can function even in uptiers
If they have stab that is
lol
the amx32-105 proved thats bs
i got a nonpen on stingray front
its a shit tank
thats just one example i remember
genuinely ungrindable tank
I feel like the game has been jank past weeks i had similar issues with tiger II
Granted early apfsds
i'm either dogshit at aiming and hit overlaps constantly or i'm getting some shit like that
i had a panther ricochet a 105 which should practically never happen
normal angle
Yeah its just war thunder being war thunder
also
protection analysis maps just lie
i "can" pen the is-2 1944 with the 105mm
tested it in game like 3x and 2 ricocheted and 1 nonpenned
so i have to hit the trolly is-2 turret which just makes me np anyway
i have an easier time penning maus than is2 xd
Volumetric is the name of the russian bias game trying to kill a t34 with 75 shermans are just pure cancer
hell even non-44 variant front is weird asf
eh unless ur facing 41 its just a turret ring shot
Thats the issue you need to be dead on and sometimes even then the round will just disappear in to oblivion
I had no idea how annoying t34s were when i stopped playing germany
i noticed it most while playing sweden
GENUINELY cant do anything to russian tanks at like BR4-5
the rounds feel so weak
point is uhh
french BR8-10 is overtiered by atleast 0.3
when you compare it to other nations its just funny
not happening cuz nearly all cannons which fire apfsds are a specific type of cannon
rifled? is it
though having a SAPHE shell would be funny
Smooth-bore cannons as APFSDS and Fin-stabilized rounds dont need the spinning stability that rifled guns provide
You can fire APFSDS from rifled guns but not things like HEATFS
Thing shot you with HE: Calm
Its a Gun Launcher gun: Panik
First nuke ever and the game bugged out didn't let me have a clean screenshot.
Dogshit game.
sounds about right
i presume you got shot down
i had the exact same thing today :p
well whatever you'll prob have a zillion more nukes i think im at ~80 dropped rn
Is that so? Not really. I just J out after dropping the bomb giving the spaa the kill to spice him.
same shit; you "died" after you dropped and didnt have a chance to pop back into the tank (probably)
thats how it happens to me
something something transition
ace 2 :)
tried the shturm-s
first nuke to be fair
in the shturm*
right after i had the worst match of my life
genuinely made me sad
Dont you hate when you didnt see anything
Poke your turret up just to be shot by an IT1
Like
2 feets away
let mao guide you
Nothing like a warcrime in the morning...that town sure hell is not a town anymore heeheh
bruh i lost a nuke to a guy who somehow managed to spawn 3 planes in 1 match shit is sad
just crashed into me
lovely plane
this thing was genuinely painful to play for me
You fly high, bomb 4 bases, kill 1-2 planes with your turrets then go back
Unless you get uptiered to 9.3
Which is bad
Since flares barely do anything
Thats what im saying all the time 

trying to do air sim battles in war thunder with world war 2 planes in mountains is a... interesting experience
my ju-87 cant fucking take off proper cause its starved out from air as fuck
switched to kursk map but the handling still felt very weird, though tbh i am used to flying mig-21 bis in dcs which is why i am ripping the pitch so hard
(i also switched to a bf-109)
Legitimately only got uptiers in the su7
Cba to play

how are there constantly more and more of these
like the left one i know is CC or i think so atleast
wow this was a dog shit mathc
their both CC
oh he's a shorts merchant that makes sense
this has been a thing for like 4 years to be fair
low br air sim on hotas makes me wanna kms
i just saved a friendly nuke by shooting down an enemy plane going straight for him with the shturm
this thing is so fun sometimes
wow the f3h is so much fucking better than the f104
i can actually survive an uptier
genuinely crazy how well this turns for how fat it is
i think this shit can outturn a yak23 wtf?
im glazing this thing hard from now on
f3h looks so good but it's so ass π
it's good in an isolated 1v1, but thats rare in airRB
i love f104 tho, it's a seal cluber
get you hands on the F8U asap, such a goated jet
f104 might be my most hated jet shit is just not fun at all
my friend has this and said its dog shit
like every 2nd fight i have is 1v1 idk how ur not having those unless you go straight for the middle of the map
idk i found it pretty fun to use and it served me well
the speed is useless when you just get outsped by everything at your BR anyway
not mentioning that i had basically constant uptiers
i remmeber f3h being very painful to play with, aim7s on it were so ass
they seem theoretically good
my most played jet btw π
its early radar s oi dont expect it to work super well
"early"
like ground level
but in the sky i can lock like 9km fairly easy, not like i'll launch from that range
useful for headons considering it atleast pulls a bit more than 10g
atleast i can get rid of those mig21s pests
and 9.0 BR means no 10.3 mig21s
the f6c is still annoying but meh
f8u eats migs for breakfast
i'll see how the plane feels when i get the other upgrades
didnt have that much an issue with them when i played against them
frankly not just head ons cuz it does actually pull more Gs in general
i mean go for it, if the plane looks and feels good to use don't let my or anyone else opinion stop you from playing it
iirc it starts pulling only after burning all the fuel
i think i just have a specific playstyle no clue i just never found bnz particularly fun
so for the first 3-4 sec it goes ina straight line
true
goes faster so you can launch furhter away
basically negates it
in theory anyway
i see, thats why you didn't like f104. I loved the bnz playstyle, f104 was a blast
i think the mix of being FORCED to bnz and also the speed not really being a factor unless you get downtiered (i had 1 in i think like 17 matches played)
huge pain in the ass if ur playing 8.3
in which i of course get uptiered a lot to 9.3 :)
(my luck)
how so? Nothing can touch you if you play your hand right
everything will just catch up to you
the speed is a non factor the only thing that "saves" it is roll
oh mb, i thought you were talking about 104
i am
i found that the speed doesnt save me at all
and then half the time i go high exactly to do bnz i just get killed by a mig21s with r3r lol
when i played 104 i never went high, i stayed low to the ground, circled around and flanked the enemy team
you don't really need altitude if you are strapped to a rocket
i started side climbing and going like 6k max
slightly better results but ultimately just same shit
its not a bad plane ig? i just dont like the playstyle
and i feel the flaws outweigh the quirks
yeah, f3h suits your playstyle better. It can turn well, the problem is that it bleeds a lot of energy pretty fast
well its fat and has a less powerful engine. idk if it can even go mach lol
i dont mind that much
dont think it can
just have to hit your shots
ye tho rn my shots are very spread out sometimes lol
idk if thats a weapon maintenance or new 20mm cannon thing or not
i'll work towards it but i want the aim7s first
it will still be all over the place, but it will feel better
well it'll have to be for later cuz i have to get back to grinding a different thing (college)
i think you'll be disappointed π
i like the r3r and found it usable at 10.3 so idk how bad the aim7 will be
very

same same, i don't really grind anymore. Just hop on the game from time to time, play some tier 3 ground and thats pretty much it haha
i still have premium for over half a year so im just grinding what i can and after that i'll just focus on special/prem vehicles
i have all of US ground except last rank and the xm whatever, the roland one
wanting to do the same for most other nations
anyway time to ge tback
got an ace in ground RB π

apparently the mig15bis has better energy retention and vertical than the f3h
fantastic that made me so happy
this game is so fucking ass
yes
any reason to play this tank at all? just seems shit and a stopgap between 8.7 and 9.3
wow... a thermal (wow)
(gen 1)
to be fair this is where the 6b/r should be xd
Hate fighting this bitch
Still easier to pen than t55 but sometimes its default paint blends in too well
Other than that I think its equal to M60A3 TTS
i think m111 is slightly worse than m774
dont have the stat card to be fair
idk it just seems meh
compared to the rest of the israeli tree anyway. seems like the weakest considering the BR
researching first merkava anyway
i dont think the t55 is particularly hard to pen unless you're talking about the AM and you're using heat
I keep using OFL APFSDS and everytime I hit the turret the round bounces
And left me flabbergasted
why is T58 so amazing aahh
I mean to be fair it is just op
You have at best like what 2 seconds to hit a weakspot on jt
Like the breech
apparently war thunder added completely random gun jamming because my shit jammed without me firing it for more than 1 second
fuck is this?
a tu95 just killed himself because he decided to spam chaff and i couldnt lock onto the plane behind him lmao
(it also had no missiles)
tu95 players might genuinely be retarded my god
bombers in general π₯
didnt notice it
im prob just coping but i legit fired like 2 bursts and 3/4 guns were jammed π
bursts of no longer than 1 sec
"Why cant i lock onto this guy if he's like 4km in the air"
also the aim7s are ass i thought they had proxy explosions but you need direct hits lmao
i forgot about that
i was sl disappointed when i got the for the first time, early aim7s are buns
aim7c i believe, whichever ones are on f3h-2 demon
7c yea
I aint even gon deny it, das a 
there was a guy wallhacking so hard in my game cant wait to see him get banned lmao
its probably
superior chinese spotting technology
youβre just lacking way behind the chinese mate
anyway
CHINA NUMBA ONEπ¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³π¨π³
leo1 shooting on the move hitting weakspots @ 400M+
twice..
yeah chinese soldiers are trained to stabilize the whole cannon with their shoulders
our training programs are superior!
anyway
use type 69
leo1 nightmare
dont got nonna dat
this thing is already in the game
idk
I can clearly see that the turrets are basically the same
its 4 vehicles not one
Why dont you all just ask me first before you all argue about that stuff xD (Pls dont,i just got these myself)
Nope no B-2
F-101 Voodoo
People always forget that Strategic Bombers make no sense except as Event Vehicles and the mentioned on is Techtree so it cant be a B-2
another useless glorified copypasta
maybe if we add another 17 scimitar/fox/BTR/BMD clones we'll have no more ghost shells
to be fair it would be kind of cool to see bmd-2 with the faster speed
only that one tho
You will always have Ghost shells
You will never ever have perfect server/player connections
Not even if we add more Leopard2's for other nations
(Which Japan will get)
i still dont understand how the aim7c with a max speed of mach 3 feels constantly slower than an aim9b even when minimally turning
this bullshit can't catch up to fucking anything
2km launch on a slow moving target still cant hit lmao this is a joke
told you π
i got my first top tier today π₯³
splendid.. more top tier suffering.... yeeesssss....
Russia the most handheld nation in the game that requires no skill to play 
No its the british
Brits are dogshit.
its a shit nation for starters but if you know what you're doing i'd be inclined to agree at around 4.0-5.7
after that not really
also i've noticed i've gotten every mission score task for the kv8 so far without even wanting to except hte first one
π
should i spend GE on that lmao
how much?
600 and you get the tradeable coupon?
if so i'd say its a no-brainer, sell it later and buy another year of premium/GE when on sale
well no
i only have enough for the tank itself idk how much i have for the coupon i ddnt grind it
dont have time
You wont be able to buy a year of Premium with that thing xD
Its gonna be ass cheap cause the KV8 is ass
Flamethrower is useless and the 45mm gun is shit
Tf?
The T18E2 is a tiny beast
something really fkn weird happened to me today
i had a match where all the enemies died in ARB
and the match just. didnt end
until like legit 5 mins later
nobody crashed or anything
Had the same a few times
Playing WT while updating to latest gamma.
kv8 is interesting...
ΡΡ
beauty
opens game
plane game
had tanks added later
i will not tolerate plane slander
He's real for that one
Ground rb
looks in
planes
It doesn't work
CAS is shit what else is new
I've explained it many times
And ive explained many times how it was without 
We had without in the beginning
It was horseshit camper fest
Ground RB sucks period lol
Like its literally nothing new no matter is it with or without cas
Air RB is also just a tdm after tdm
Remove CAS,add Infantry
get Rpged every 2 seconds
Play enlisted as tankman and you will get the exact experience
Its whatever tbh, i just play red orchestra instead
p!ew
If you are going ew at red orchestra you got no taste
It aged like Milk
The Playerbase is dead and with AI it aint fun
Rising Storm (same devs) is okay
Dont know about Rising Storm 2
considering buying the f106
interesting little plane
the f-6 is so fucking annoying to play against
this plane si genuinely worse than the sakeen
hmm yes i will take a spitfire without turn time but the same fucking DOGSHIT speed
rank 4 france is so shit
if you think spitfires are shit im sorry youve been lobotomised
"spitfires" no ithink THIS spitfire is ass
the clipped wing spitfires are dogshit
how are you playing them
up high slight side climb
ATTEMPTING to bnz but i just get outclimbed by everything anyway
so im forced to turnfight which its literally not made for because its a shit spitfire
idk man i dont have any problems with the clipped wings, what degree are you climbing
have you tried a very far sideclimb and just sticking it at like 20+ until youre nearing your stall
there are still a couple of plane that will out climb you but in theory theyll be pretty shit turners
exempt maybe 1-2
and honestly if youre having shit lobbies try to play like a vulture
go after things preoccupied at least until youre spaded
(assuming you dont already have perf mods)
yeah sadly 5.7 is a weird BR
on the bright side german teams nearly always have 4 288s
fairly easy kills
shits giga fast
fast but thats about it cause while the guns are good they dont have a lot of them and the deadzones are fairly abuseable
and if theyre gonna put you back in their guns view theyre sacrificing speed to do so
ig
i used to abuse 288s with the kikka
learned how to avoid their deadzones very well in it and itll translate to any plane you can get near them in
yeah this thing is fucking ass

knowing chinese radar this is gonna be absolutely horrendous
lmao
if this gets proxy its over
Holy fuck lmfaooo 10 years later
Live branch had them for a little while if you had wip build on, then they changed it back fairly quickly sadly
I think they will add sound mods back in like a week from now
hopefully 
cant stand bmp3 shitty main gun sound
literally just sounds like a thump
temu york
Hilariously how temu ZSU is actually better than the normal ZSU
Good joke
Next majour update maybe
I also dont trust gaijin and all but at least thats what they are saying
Doubt
gaijin would never ever say something and then not do it
I don't like the T-54s but I also don't want to see T54s facing tiger1
Tiger 2s cant pen t54s frontally btw now imagine the rest of the tanks
50% proto tech tree
My brother in christ USSR is no better lol
Lul
since hwen does cover take away speed tf
it can pen the turret on the 1947
1949 is a bit more trolly
i dont like the t-54s because you can get uptiered to shit like 8.7 or 9.0 anyway
this thing feels more like a spitfire than the clipped wing spitfire
also the engine on this is so fucking stupid
got my first 2 kills with the aim7c
shit is only useful against b ombers or legit targets going 300 kph lol
it actually IS proxy
its just extremely small proxy
yup, they are not even worth carrying
you are better off with only aim9s
well it did get me those kills without me really having to get close
the 4km launch was nice
Damn the controversy was bad enough they actually fixed this
apparently you can go up there
first one they can theres that weird spot where the cupola seams into the turret, closer (<500m) engagement only though
never ever had this
i did mention before this with m774 would be fantastic but ultimately it wouldnt change that much? like i think at best i could frontpen t-64a easier
you're still really mainly shooting russian LFPs
Its a weird one
On the other side you have the italian 9.3 prem leo, wich is slightly slower, has 400mm sabot, and no thermal
French
No armor
Punch 380mm of armor
Refused to elaborate
Id have to Consult The Graphs TM but I think rhe reload is longer and the turret rotation horizontal and vertical is way worse no? I can look at sm1 in like 2 secs with the aced xm1
Outreloading t72 is always funny
I think the reload is around 6 secs, dont remember the exact turret rot but its pretty high
Top one is the of40, bottom one is the xm1 gm
i mean one plus of the xm-1, is i think IFVs dont pen you with autocannons
and its slightly faster
if you have good aim i guess it would be better
they can pen you very easily lol
i think only shit like the fox apds has trouble going through the turret ring
you go against any IFV at its BR and you get penned there pretty easily
AMX Brenus 
im scared of competent brenus players ngl
i dont think i could hate the meteors more if i wanted to
these planes are so fucking boring to play
I dont think I could hate AMX-40 than I wanted to
Cuz it reached the point if there is no other word to describe
How horrendeous it is
To use it at the beginning
the msc seems good
but its also at a BR i dotn want to play
im just doing french planes cuz i wanna try out the 10.0 mirages
i always heard the mk8 is supposed to be good but its such a boring plane
Ouragans are much more fun tbh, even the Super mystère was enjoyable to me.
And Mirage IIIC is a treat
dont like the ouragan i kept to the meteor cuz atleast i can kind of get speed in that
played it on israel eand thought it was fucking ass lmao
md452 is okay
i need to get engine upgrades and i think i'll enjoy it
then i'll get the preproduction thing at 8.3 that's a bit faster and the 30s are nice
the 20mm are so unreliable, had an HEF explode and it just did fucking nothing
i got a crit or whatever but i think it was just a wing surface thing
yeah i wanted to try this
the fast and big radar missiles look fun
you can prob make a custom loadout with 3 missiles?
Indeed, only stinker is that in order to take the booster you have to give up your guns so I almost never run it.
You do. The booster is more for energy fighting shenanigans. It is pretty powerful at higher altitudes.
mm yeah true in high alt i can see it being quite useful
either way i'll have to grind a bi tmore anyway im like halfway to the 8.3 plane and after i get the f84 or maybe vautour i'll see what i'll want to grind
Well... it is also true that I really dislike going high and usually just stick to the terrain.
depends on the match for me
if i see its 11.0 i wont even dare to go high lold
Oh yeah, absolutely.
either way the max BR i really """enjoy"" is 10.3 after that i cba
adhd gameplay
i always enjoyed the BR9s
but its also nice to have good missiles
i did consider buying the f106
Pretty much same for me. I love early jets and once the better missiles get introduced, I am out.
sadly i sold my t72b arena too fast for 33 and its 40 now :p
but meh
also finally sold my p-40c so i have like 60gjn
weird little plane
if i really wanna buy smth i'll just sell the AGS
might actually be wise to do it now who knows maybe they'l lbring it back next crate drop
my ass is not playing 12.0
Can't relate, I have never gotten any voucher to sell.
i had time to grind sometimes
not this event tho
mig25 and t72b was worth grinding but i've also grinded the EFV and t86 and that was certainly not as worth it
i dont even remember grinding the ags
I would have time but the one time I tried I got burned out in a way that made me feel nothing but apathy for any time limited grinds.
oh it certainly isnt fun
but i mean i also get a way to not spend money on the game
and still get vics
i got a years worth of premium for free
so
Yeah, that is fair.
i technically have another 1,5y now
if i sold all i had i'd have like... 5 years?
maybe 6
with the sales*
I have gotten mostly everything I want and now just goof around in weird vehicles
im getting to that point
i bought the xm1 and grinded what is essentially the whole of its GRB except the top-top tier
well, unlocked
only bought the lav-ad but ehh
i need to get the rockets and maybe i'll enjoy it
Those looked fun in clips, yeah.
Quick question, can we buy stuff from the shop (golden eagle, vehicle pack...) with the GJN?
yes
theres the button
its for packs,Ge etc
its not with the other payment options
Oh, so good, thank you! I have two cars to sell and I was just hesitating: 3 Tyy
Np
this entire BR for french planes is SO FUCKING ASS
they're all so shit my god
fuck br 7-8 for france
Never seen this camo pattern ever kinda neat
Actually, I wanted to see if I could buy a French event or premium hunter, but every time I look at reviews, itβs not crazy.


