🛩war-thunder

[haughty hollow]

Oh shit is it not?

Truly goobing right nkw

[serene birch]

no its a cheeeap ass GE vehicle

but yes i agree it is fun

[haughty hollow]

Ive had it for so long i've forgotten

[serene birch]

better than the US equivalent imo

[jade cargo]

forgot which one that is

[serene birch]

apcbc with explosive filler on p much every 75mm cannon the US has

[jade cargo]

whichever part i get to see before it blasts me. But i try to hit the side where their ammo is or the side of their turret

[serene birch]

only shoot if you have a good shot

gives them like 8 seconds to pick a weakness on your own tank

shoot the turret ring on t34s if youre not confident shooting their cheeks

[sturdy pulsar]

I learned to not whiff in CQC

[jade cargo]

oh yeah it killed german tanks just fine but at the latter parts of that 75mm, the germans are using tigers and those fat panthers. i can't kill them unless i hit their sides

[sturdy pulsar]

rather stare or kill someone else in CQC

[serene birch]

oh youre playing the jumbo

yeah dont lol its not as good as it once was, still not BAD but

[haughty hollow]

I will say the solid shot 75mm you get stock grinding Shermans is about as effective as throwing rocks, but you get aphe pretty quickly

[serene birch]

p mid now

if youre gonna use it, go for immobilising shots

barrels, tracks, etc

or the cupolas on panther ds and tiger h1s

that can sometimes bop everyone in their turrets

(at close range)

[jade cargo]

not anymore
I got the t26, m109a1 and the m41a1

[serene birch]

real gamers remember when the m6a1 and jumbos were 4.7

and they bullied 3.7 to death

[jade cargo]

i know shermans are meant to fire with the hull down and all that with their thic turrets. but goddamn it half the maps are urban with no good hull cover

[haughty hollow]

The tiger player watching me slowly approach their side after i've double tracked them and got their barrel in the jumbo:

[serene birch]

nah jumbos are fine not being hulldown

[haughty hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-walking-cat-come-cute-cat-walking-gif-15396099328317852865

[serene birch]

just DO NOT ANGLE

ignore every instinct you have to angle in the jumbo

it will be your death

[jade cargo]

i dunno man, i get killed by every shit that isn't to the turret

[sturdy pulsar]

me when APCR was good

[serene birch]

prolly just unlucky and facing long 88s

[jade cargo]

just glad i'm never playing shermans again lol

[haughty hollow]

APCR is still decent, you just cant hit any angles lmfao

[serene birch]

id rather gouge my own eyes out than use that garbage

[haughty hollow]

APCR when it interacts with 1 degree of angled armor

But yeah in the jumbo i'd carry like 5rnds of apcr just in case

[copper laurel]

Man i don't like Shermans

They are just

Mid

[serene birch]

L opinion

shermans big fat W

emphasis on the fat

[haughty hollow]

It's personal preference really, but of the 3 (panthers, t34s, shermans,) shermans are def my favorite

Except for the M-51, that thing is mid as fuck

Call it a skill issue but I forever hold my opinion on that thing

[jade cargo]

i agree. i'd rather have a thinner armor to get more mobility because sherman armor don't stop shit anyway

[serene birch]

O_O what

400mm of pen at 6.0

hoW is that mid

[haughty hollow]

HEAT damage, slow reload, and its slower than the Jumbo

[jade cargo]

i've never played panthers, but i do agree that shermans handle better than t34, but up againts those ISs, KVs, and other fatass soviet tanks, the sherman just don't do good

[serene birch]

HEAT damage for the 90mm+ is fine honestly, until you get to toptier

why you never angle in the jumbo btw

[haughty hollow]

Idk maybe, ill have to replay the thing soon. Then again, i'm the guy who enjoys playing the strv103c

[serene birch]

its got the AMX-30 HEAT round which is honestly p good

[haughty hollow]

Soviet heavies can be tough to deal with, but most of them are blind and you can usually get the first shot off with your stab

[haughty hollow]

That's the thing though, I love the AMX-30, and its got the same round. Idk, the m51 being so slow is probably was irks me

[jade cargo]

well i'm more blind. i'm just that type of guy lol

[serene birch]

its a sniper, you cant play it like your regular shermans

[haughty hollow]

True. I'll replay it once I get to actually going through Israeli ground

[serene birch]

and it does suffer p badly in an uptier

but most things do so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[haughty hollow]

What is yalls opinion on the 6.7 american heavies?

[serene birch]

love them

nuking unsuspecting tigers with this is always a blast

[haughty hollow]

Shit the T30. Wish I bought the thing when it was cheap

Such a cool tank

[serene birch]

smoke round for a 38 second reload

[haughty hollow]

I've been having a ton of fun in the mutant

[serene birch]

also

the APCBC has a casual 640g of tnt

you pen anything and it dies

[haughty hollow]

Tiger players be like: today I will- live T29E1 reaction:

[serene birch]

only has like

20mm less pen than the T29 as well lol

[haughty hollow]

Still at 6.7 too, which is a big W

T29 didnt deserve 7.0, but its probably still fine

[serene birch]

it really did deserve it lmao

it was far far far too good to fight 5.7s

it doesnt deserve to fight whats currently at 8.0 tho

[haughty hollow]

Also wouldnt be all that fair for TT players considering the T34 would be at the same BR with a worse shell

But thats why play the M6A2E1, same shell as T29 at 6.7 with funny reverse speed

[serene birch]

better armour tho, and more pen

not 6km AAA caps out at 3

[haughty hollow]

Ehh, I mean anything you can pen with the T34 you can most likely go through with the T29 anyway, I wasnt aware they had different armor

[serene birch]

(i am a nerd)

well

unless its

top tier

but assuming youre flying props

yeah

lowtier cpas out at 3km

toptier SAM is 8km

[haughty hollow]

Isnt it any projectile <30mm is deleted after 3km?

Or a certain range I forgot

[serene birch]

why the fuck is this shit so LONG

[serene birch]

some range yeah, dunno if its 3km tho

[haughty hollow]

Grinding the Su27/j11?

[serene birch]

su27 yes

[haughty hollow]

How is it so far?

[serene birch]

shit is making me wanna poop my pants with how long it takes to grind mods

[serene birch]

reat

the teams are p good

su27s are dominating atm purely because 10 missiles lol

plus r27s are just better than aim7s atm

[haughty hollow]

yeah its pretty crazy

My favorite top tier rn is probably the gripen, even after all the FM changes its still a great rat plane

[serene birch]

the amount of STOCK GRINDERS
oh no

[haughty hollow]

[serene birch]

welp 90% of the team died immediatelyt

and I can dodge like 2 r27s before i lose all my energy

[haughty hollow]

I forgot

Do R24s also have INS like the R27s?

[copper laurel]

Ins?

[serene birch]

dont think so

[haughty hollow]

Inertial navigation

[serene birch]

inertial navigatio nsystem

[haughty hollow]

Basically after you lose lock the missile has its own navigation system and continues to fly to where it thinks the target is heading until you regain lock

[serene birch]

mmm ugly ass cockpit

[haughty hollow]

Slander, russian cockpits look nice

[serene birch]

the r27s only last like

2 seconds lol

[sturdy pulsar]

34-85 tho

[haughty hollow]

I've played the 34-85s quite a lot

Theyre nice, but they just dont hit the same as shermans for me

[sturdy pulsar]

I just feel their ammo is disgusting

and have good guns

[serene birch]

APHE is quite good because its a little better against angled armour

but the lack of stabiliser and depression is just

[haughty hollow]

Dude the angle modifiers on those russian rounds is crazy

[serene birch]

🤮

[haughty hollow]

If a jumbo is close enough and is faced directly towards you, it has a chance of just going through

[serene birch]

two matches down and fuck all progress

[sturdy pulsar]

Spading Rank 5+ is enough RP for 1-2 tanks sometimes

In this case Planes*

[haughty hollow]

No chaff?

[serene birch]

literally do not need it

[haughty hollow]

Whytho

[serene birch]

if youre high enough someone can get a lock youre dead

chaff does fuck all to PD

unless you can dodge it

[haughty hollow]

Just go cold and chaff a few times, 90% of radar missiles go poof

[serene birch]

stay low to make the lock not register and notch to throw their radar off entirely

[serene birch]

you cannot go cold with SARH

[serene birch]

also not at toptier

F-15, F-16, Su-27 radar do not care about your feelings or your "chaff"

[haughty hollow]

Idk what your experience has been, but that what I've been doing in the gripen and have been able to avoid 99% of radar missiles at high alt and still drop dookies on people

[serene birch]

id rather have more flares to waste on R-73s and AIM-9Ms

notching is enough

if theyre too close to notch and you dont have enough distance to dodge youre dead anywho

meta is just flying low

[haughty hollow]

Also chaff doesnt do shit against PD on its own obv, but it helps notching I believe

[serene birch]

it doesnt

if youre gonna notch them, youre gonna notch them

chaff might add a milisecond to how long it takes for them to unlock but in planes with very flew flares, its just not worth taking less flares

gripen with its 700CM is fair enough becaus you have enough to waste

[haughty hollow]

Idk man maybe im schizo but until I got chaff, missiles would go straight through notch or cold aspect, but it could just be my privelaged ass with 700 flares in the jas39

[serene birch]

but 94 flares cut in half aint shit on the su27

[serene birch]

might be a krill issue, neve rhad an issue with notching myself

its probably just the INS on the AIM-7s dogging you doodoo style

[haughty hollow]

yeah maybe a skrill issue on my part

[serene birch]

AIM-7s still dog me doodoo style when i notch but

not much you can really do there

WHAT THE FUCK

HUH

huuuuuh?????

[haughty hollow]

Lmao

[copper laurel]

You like farming silver lions dont you

[serene birch]

no

i just play instead of doing that but holy shit 1125%

[haughty hollow]

You wanna know something funny? Chaff can still be pretty unreliable against good Non-PD radars like the f4e at high alt

[serene birch]

good thing my su-27 fights f-4es :3

[haughty hollow]

If you just keep lock on the chaff as the F4E the missile has a good chance of just guiding on target anyway

[haughty hollow]

[serene birch]

f-4e is goated tho

[sleek fractal]

Iirc F5C has even more

[serene birch]

it does not

I found a better 9.7 SL% tho

hunter my beloved.

oh fuck its 9.3??????? why didnt you tell me

[haughty hollow]

Rhodesian hunter skin looks pretty nice

[serene birch]

stank ass 1020%

actually

whats yalls favourite skin

like on anything really, but it has to be an actual skin not a cringe ass liveskin

[sleek fractal]

Ehhh it had like 1350% fuck me they nerfed that

[haughty hollow]

Hmm

Probably the Black Knight Viggen skin

[serene birch]

good f5cs are good they dont need 1350

[haughty hollow]

On the JA37C

[serene birch]

ace combat vibes

[sleek fractal]

I have that

[serene birch]

she so sexy

[sleek fractal]

Poggi lazur

[haughty hollow]

Based

[serene birch]

i got it only for the skin

[haughty hollow]

Reminds me of that one Kurnass skin

One of those esports skins I think

[serene birch]

this is one of the lamest skins

[haughty hollow]

I had no idea that skin existed

[serene birch]

oooold ass skin

[haughty hollow]

Ah

[serene birch]

im nearly out of cider :(

[haughty hollow]

Clearly you mean apple cider and not some other possibly alcoholic drink

[serene birch]

its apple cider

and its also alcoholic

[haughty hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-stare-stare-looking-cat-looking-gif-8761430571097833938

[serene birch]

i agree

11/12 deep and i agree with you

im a drinker :3

im also acoustic

and maybe a little restarted

[serene birch]

you can win it

i believe in you

[keen sequoia]

My dumbass friend fucking ate a shot

[serene birch]

beat his ass without the B

[keen sequoia]

Already did

[serene birch]

:3

[jade cargo]

Man I love the 155mm spg

I suck with it though lol. Wish we could actually use it as artillery though

[mellow zealot]

had a match with a double nuke lately

only just realized it was a double nuke match

[serene birch]

I found the apple whiskey to match my apple cider

jack

THAT IS FOUL

whos idea was it for me to double shot that nasty shit

bros im thinking its abad idea

[eternal zenith]

is it tho?

as long as it gets the job done, the rest is just for bragging

[serene birch]

ahaha

im jus tdoing shots man

i have a double shot glass and im just filling her each time

[serene birch]

yes it is when you can teven see straight anymore

[sleek fractal]

[sturdy pulsar]

Boxer Pilkas

[sturdy pulsar]

I can see people will hate the Vilkas

It does the Spike thing

Aka, just hits barrel and no damage

[sleek fractal]

Need to play it first to say if its an issue

[sturdy pulsar]

From test drive is like

50/50

but yeah I can't play 10.3 so good luck

[sleek fractal]

from test drive ive killed every vehicle and plane i locked on to

[sturdy pulsar]

In test drive I kept spiking the furthest tank

and half the time it didn't kill

just breech and barrel

Btw

T hey really need to like, release an "updated" control scheme

god forbid how awful they are

[sleek fractal]

How ?

You can customise ALL if it yourself

[sturdy pulsar]

default I mean

Lmao

[sleek fractal]

Yeah but you can customise it.

Thats the intention

[sturdy pulsar]

and I need to find a button for my lock on that's not ass

alt x dumb

maybe just X

[sleek fractal]

Theres to many buttons

Also you gotta consider console players

[grand root]

top tier arcade is worlds better than RB

Instead of dying to some guy sitting across the map id never see i can actually have fun

[sleek fractal]

Instead everyone can see everyone and you get killed regardless of Skill level

[grand root]

More fun than dying from across the map imo

[sleek fractal]

Unless you play Merkava then Arcade Players cant kill you

[sleek fractal]

Hey everyones experience is different and everyone has their favourite mode

[grand root]

RB is good until like 10.0 but then it is just annoying to me

Its hard to learn the maps when its a different one everytime and they add a new one every patch

I have like 1,300 hours im not new at all but the sitting in a spot covered in bushes doesnt appeal to me

But thats top tier

Skill issue, i know

That and gaijin maps are just ass in general

its either a city with a surronding void or just one big city w no flanking routes

[sleek fractal]

When your at top tier you should already know all of them

We all agree map design is shit

And they made very small maps too

Those are also ass

Like they halved most of the maps recently

[grand root]

I prefer sniping to brawling and theres just almost 0 oppurtunity

[sleek fractal]

You can shoot from spawn to spawn

[grand root]

^ that

Its awful map design

If theyd make each map just even a little bigger itd really improve them

having stock HEATFS on that map is pain

its a like 3 second flight time

Im hoping they buff the abrams armor, I have up to the M1A1 but ive stopped playing the abrams just cause its made of paper in WT so now im grind russia

[sleek fractal]

Not the case anymore as soon as you reach rank 7

Its not a lot of Vehicles being stuck with heat now

[grand root]

Nice

Rn im up to the T-72B in russia and man russian stock HEAT is so much less painful

just cause theres no ERA on most things you fight

[sleek fractal]

You play russians stock with HE anyway

Overpressure uWu

[grand root]

How do you efficiently grind ground when each RB game i play i seem to only get 2 or 3 kills and like 5-7k RP

Is it just spading stuff

[sleek fractal]

5-7k rp is a lot

Yeah you spade stuff

Its kinda fucked how much you get in Air RB and how less in Ground

[grand root]

"no if they progress to quickly how will they have fun?"

[sleek fractal]

Sells rank 7 prems

[grand root]

I feel like its cause they realized what game they had so they made it way grinder to squeeze out money

[sleek fractal]

Warthunder is an Air game with Tanks

Simple as that.

[grand root]

I bought the 9.7 prem MiG on sale and I'd get 10k RP just from rocket striking a base not even killing it or anyone

[sleek fractal]

Problem is they only add more wood to the fire aka new stuff instead of fixing what already is

[sleek fractal]

You would get more with bombs

Cause rockets equals less tnt

[grand root]

Tried it bombs do less damage

[sleek fractal]

More tnt more rewards

Doesnt matter

Like Napalm

You can destroy all bases with Napalm easily

Yet i get more rewards when i throw over 1 ton of TnT because of how rewards work

[grand root]

Either way with it I was able to grind past the MiG19 and get the Mig 21 bis in a few days

[sleek fractal]

Yeah its easy for air and viable

[grand root]

It's insane how much more the rewards are in air compared to ground

[sleek fractal]

It aint for ground cause 1 death leaving is garbo

[grand root]

If they upped ground rewards the community would be alot more accepting I feel

[sleek fractal]

Well they asked for more improvements

People can suggest it

If they do it its a win if not well then fuck it xD

[grand root]

They did the skill bonus for ro thing ig

[sleek fractal]

Yeah and its pretty siginificant

[grand root]

Doesn't affect me cause I syck

[sleek fractal]

6 kills is easy most of the time

[grand root]

Maybe I just don't play WT enough to memorize the maps

[sleek fractal]

They need to do that still

[grand root]

Like I have 1400 hours ish but I'll play alot for a week or two then be gone for a week or two

[sleek fractal]

Also did you know WT had a +100% booster for the first win of the day back in 2013

[grand root]

Like rn tarkov wiped so WT may as well not exist

[sleek fractal]

They removed that someday,cant remember when

[grand root]

I think literally anything to make the grind less painful would be welcome

Also T 90A at 10.7 with 3BM60 seems kinda insane

[sleek fractal]

Its ok

The T-90A itself is garbo

like i kill that with every single of my other nations 10.7 or 11.7 via front plate

Or shoot the breach and crew also dies

or look at it

Fuel tank explodes

BVM and T-90M on the other hand are awesome

[oblique creek]

I played the M60A3 TTS for the first time and honestly it doesn’t feel nearly as bad as people say. I kind of enjoy it

[sleek fractal]

Because it isnt

just as the M60 Super

No vehicle in WT is as bad as most people say cause theres always someone that can use it right

[wind star]

But equally just because you can feast in a shite vehicle doesnt mean its a competitive one either

Spall liners added to the CR2 make it actually decent

Make it function to how Soviet ammo racks have been for the past 3 years

I wasnt even paying attention to the patch notes, I see theyve added the sex update to War Thunder (The Challenger 3 demonstrator)

[sleek fractal]

competetive is a WHOLE other point

competetive means Tournaments

Tournaments are held by lineups carefully selected by People in the community that volunteered to join the Esports team just to do that

Thinking about balanced lineups for every nation to use

But Gaijin makes that difficult cause many nations lack those vehicles or are falling out cause they are Premiums / Event vehicles

Just saying everyone cann apply for that on the Esports ready Discord

[wind star]

You misunderstand entirely, competitive doesnt mean tournament level, just a good vehicle for the BR

[sleek fractal]

I do not.Since you cant talk competetive for random games where you play 1 vs basicly everyone

In that way every vehicle is competetive cause it can be good in any situation everywhere if the enemy is just a blind fuck while in "COMPETETIVE" people really focus on sourroundings and apply advanced tactics.

And if you wanna start comparing Vehicles on their respective Br´s then have fun.You cant really compare a Challenger with a T Series tank or a leopard vice versa

They all got their unique strenghts and weaknesses

And if we narrow it down to similar vehicls your stuck with Sweden and Germany which you could compare.Then again you cant cause Swedisch Leopards are just better.

China has the better WW2 Vehicles of US and Russia

All i could think of is further spreading the cold war from 2nd WW but that has nothing to do with being "competetive" cause 6.7 still can decently compete against 7.7

[wind star]

Okay, what about the Sakeen vs the La-5F

[sleek fractal]

Bf109 vs La5

totaly fine

[wind star]

Bruh

You seen the engine on the Sakeen?

[sleek fractal]

Yeah and ?

P59A vs Zero

[wind star]

Its the same engine as the damn He 111

[sleek fractal]

and ?

[wind star]

I might be able to shag in it, but that doesnt mean its competitive

[sleek fractal]

so you can look yourself

https://wt.controlnet.space/

[wind star]

Oh boy

[sleek fractal]

America might be the only one that isnt competetive overall xD

[wind star]

America is competitive, there are widespread modeling issues sure, but which TT doesn't have shitty modelling

Stares at Italy

[sleek fractal]

Italy is decent

people just hate it

and the Sabre is absolute Garbage

Thats the only part where i would agree on the competetive part

But its only that high in BR cause People proved a point

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/pty5su/so_me_and_few_decent_players_saw_gaijin_say_that/

Italian sabre and the Chinese M41 with the dart that isnt premium

Those are vehicles i never can recommend anyone

[wind star]

The only two examples?

[sleek fractal]

Yep

Rest you can easily learn to handle

Like that M41 dart shatters like APCR

Its really not the players fault.

[wind star]

As are most of the arbitrary balances in WT

[sleek fractal]

M1 models are copied from the first M1 to the last

[wind star]

Most vehicles are fine, but there are BR brackets where the competition just overshadows and banishes most aircraft into the void

[sleek fractal]

and if you bounce on the UFP your dart bounces through the turret and kills em xD

[wind star]

See BR 8.3 - 10.3

[sleek fractal]

Aircraft is a whole another thing tbh

Ariete

That thing is just OP

[wind star]

Fucks

See above, Ive been mopping up teams in it

[sleek fractal]

BI

also slaps

[wind star]

Ace after ace in it, BI is good yeah

[sleek fractal]

P59A as i mentioned i love outturning Zeros

i bleed all my energy but that doesnt matter in 1 v 1

[wind star]

P59A is indeed good, arguable for 5.3

[sleek fractal]

If you boom and zoom your still faster than everyone else

Planes is just a clusterfuck the higher you get up

Just because Gaijin loves their Powercreeps every update

[wind star]

Top tier is awful

Brain rotting

[sleek fractal]

We did not need the new missile busses

Now i want my shitty Eurofighter and Rafale

F4F Ice is DOA

At least i enjoyed the 29G for the short period that it was the best plane

[wind star]

The F-14A was the worst period

The days of taking off and immediately getting TWS'd and FOX-3'd

The Italian AMX is good tbh

[sleek fractal]

i know something worse

[wind star]

Enjoying that atm

[sleek fractal]

way earlier than the F-14

https://wiki.warthunder.com/FJ-4B_VMF-232

[wind star]

MiG-17?

[sleek fractal]

when they introduced guided AT missiles

[wind star]

The bullpup era

[sleek fractal]

You were able to fire it from the AF into the enemy AF

You didnt even need to take off

I still love that plane

[wind star]

Decent aircraft

G.91s are the bane of my existence in it tho

[sleek fractal]

They nerved the Ger,am Bullpups

The american ones i dont know

I use Zunis cause they are way better

[wind star]

Zunis on the A-1H

Wallop

[sleek fractal]

Ok i gotta go my GF is pissed

[wind star]

RIP the fella

[mellow zealot]

why is the tiger2P 6.7 again

[wind star]

Because big gun go brrr?

The long 88 is pretty much a point click deleter with the Pzgr 39 against peer vehicles

[mellow zealot]

yeah but whats the point of putting a practically worse-in-every-way tiger 2 at the same br

6.3 was fine really

i say this as someone who doesnt enjoy going up against tiger2s

[sturdy pulsar]

https://youtu.be/w0p5LbPqlf4

it's dog t-34 time

[wind star]

Longer range maps being introduced and consistent uptiering of short 76s

Back in the knifefights of old where maps were tiny to what we have now, yeah the short 76s with the stabs had a chance

[mellow zealot]

honestly? t34 is quite shit

[mellow zealot]

honestly considering the map changes now i'd say that doesn't count as much

[cold lichen]

Compared to the T29

Yes

[sturdy pulsar]

reload too slow no?

[mellow zealot]

american "heavies" are shit until you reach like, the t32

the t34 can be funny but typically you'll just get bonked by the 88, 122, 100 or some heat shit

[cold lichen]

20ish second reload

[mellow zealot]

yeahhh plus that

[cold lichen]

The T29 isn't much better with a 15 sec reload

[sturdy pulsar]

any less time it's kinda more workable

20s is an eternity

I don't recal how my experience was with those

my american tree looks weird

Wait does that thing have APHE or not

[mellow zealot]

no

t29 maybe? dont remember

[sturdy pulsar]

My American tree shows how long ago I played GF

[wind star]

Yeah naw fr Im resisting the voices to not TK all these F-5s

Kill stealing little tikes

[mellow zealot]

true lol
i used to have a really fucked russian tree but i've researched right about everything by now

[cold lichen]

The T29 does get a APHE round

Its the same gun as the T95

But in a different configuration

[cold lichen]

I feel ya brother

It takes a lot of will power not to blast the fuck out of every premium I see

And any time I see a premium plane TK on take off

I take great pleasure in blasting them out of the sky

[eternal zenith]

reminds me of the swedish atgm tractor after the future warfare event

man that was hilarious

for a week you couldn't play that BR unless you were sweden

[eternal zenith]

ayo, warlord time

[fervent karma]

It costed me like 3 gjn or so

That stuff is super cheap thanks to holiday crates

[ruby rain]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-get-real-t34-stalinium-gif-25765558

[keen sequoia]

cap

That mf is a brick shithouse

[mellow zealot]

no

[eternal zenith]

sorry but this is some bullshit

[mellow zealot]

u just suck

[eternal zenith]

do I have to get my bitchslapping gloves?

[serene birch]

you we’re probably doing fuck all damage and/or destroying lower tiered shit

[mellow zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/gman-half-life-half-life2-valve-tf2-gif-23714862

[serene birch]

not to imply you have been sleeping on the job

[stray bane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699698458986020924/1189340939018321941/Ins_-914242363.mp4?ex=65a70990&is=65949490&hm=1d40d3cf45fa5775f793290b0e35365eab726e897f2e27d255c89c3ca427e172&

[eternal zenith]

exactly this, still -.-

Finally spaded the Oto, now it's cock destruction time

[serene birch]

yeah its p dumb

[grand root]

The best lineups for the US are 6.7 and 8.3

I'll die on this hill

[serene birch]

8.3 ew

[jade cargo]

Lmao gaijin hates you

[jade cargo]

I currently am on 6.7 US. Gotta say I like 6.3 better

[grand root]

I'm a fan of the pattons

[grand root]

The T34 and ontos are some of my favorite vehicles period

[serene birch]

youre mentally deranged if you like the pattons damn

[jade cargo]

Fair. I like the speedy m41a1 and the m109a1

[grand root]

They aren't bad

[serene birch]

youre right

[grand root]

I haven't even gotten the paladin

[serene birch]

theyre garbage

[jade cargo]

Is m109a1 the paladin?

[grand root]

What's wrong with the M60A1?

[grand root]

I dunno it's just what I call it just cause of the distinctive long barrel

[jade cargo]

I see. I'm honestly confused why the next vehicle in the tech tree after that is a lower br

[grand root]

What's after it now?

[jade cargo]

Forgot the name but it's like a big gun on tracks and the dudes are outside unprotected

90mm canon

[grand root]

Scorpion

Stock grind on that thing sucks

Stock APCR

[eternal zenith]

they literally do

[jade cargo]

@grand root the m56

[eternal zenith]

at least on the forums

[grand root]

If you like flanking and ratting and dying to MGs the M56 is for you

Everytime I've played it it was alr I feel

[jade cargo]

I am quite shit. To get more than 1 kill, I basically need the enemy to be blind or focused on my team while I flank

[grand root]

The US is good for Jack of app trades stuff

It can do everything but be really good at none of it most of the time

[jade cargo]

Yeah I feel that too

It's never like absolutely shit, but never really good either

[grand root]

Why I like the pattons, the gun is good it gets a rangefinder has a lineup with the Bradley and Sheridan

Jack of all trades is just what I prefer I don't wanna be corralled into a playstyle

[jade cargo]

Early Shermans were absolutely shit though lol. Can't stand a single shell from a t34 or tiger

[grand root]

Dude what 4.0 US rocks

It's where I go when I get tired of higher tiers

[eternal zenith]

you got the trans protecting the driver, turret ring keeping the gunner safe

[jade cargo]

I dunno guys

I just get absolutely bodied in shermans

[eternal zenith]

well they ain't too good

but neither is the rest of the tanks

[jade cargo]

True

[eternal zenith]

except the 88mm flakbus

[jade cargo]

But I do feel the Russian bias to be strong when I play the t34 lol

[eternal zenith]

it's gods strongest warrior

[jade cargo]

It's amazing in its br

[eternal zenith]

t34 is nice but the gun don't feel right

[jade cargo]

Feels worse than Sherman guns, but it really gets kills

Also how the hell do people play realistic air battles? Gun jams like 4 seconds into firing and you gotta fly back and land. Who plays that

[stray bane]

suicidial masochists with gambling addictions

[eternal zenith]

the real psychos play air sim... I'm never gonna learn to fly like that

[keen sequoia]

quite easy actually

[ruby rain]

I tried in a test flight w mouse and keyboard. couldnt hit anything for shit, then somehow completely lost control of the plane and crashed

[keen sequoia]

you pulled too hard

put yourself into a flat spin

with a few take offs and shit it gets easy

i've won dogfights in sim with mouse and keyboard

[ruby rain]

"flat spin" sounds right

[eternal zenith]

as I said, only certified psychos play air sim

[keen sequoia]

nuh uh

[jade cargo]

I can't even do arcade air battles lol

I don't have the brain processing power to keep track of all that shit

[eternal zenith]

@keen sequoia tips for fighting a F5?

[keen sequoia]

Dont

[eternal zenith]

[serene birch]

dinnah

you know the rules

if you dont know the rules get to know the rules

we swallow this shit WHOLE

https://tenor.com/view/youre-youre-correction-youre-meme-youre-gman-gman-gif-21786686

[eternal zenith]

I love this game

[eternal zenith]

managed to get 3 missile kills + 2 cannon kills by flying just a minute or two in a curve around the hot spot, everyone must've been out of flares by that point cause I can't explain it otherwise

[eternal zenith]

how you react if a jet flies towards you head on?

[sleek fractal]

Shoot and pull

Just like with props

[keen sequoia]

Fire guns and then pull a top gun maverick and do a kvochuer's bell on god (Don't)

[eternal zenith]

I figured that's what people do but head on attacks seem way too risky

with the harrier the vtol seems to throw people off

if I go full vertical thrust and fire I tend to hit while being missed

belly up, flares + move thrusters

[mellow zealot]

just dont play that br

easy

[serene birch]

harrier is a great rat plane, especially with 9Ms

hang outside of furballs and just pick off anyone who fucks up

[serene birch]

I had one of the most brain dead teams I've ever seen jesus christ

Tunisia, theres a t34/57 on the bridge, like right in the middle of each of the breakable wooden parts

hes just casually shooting everyone who flanked over to their side of the map

the 5 tanks overwatching from our side do not shoot him

he turns around

and shoots 4/5 of them before he finally gets shot back

this man got 15 kills within like

5 minutes

[eternal zenith]

lmao

genius

[serene birch]

i just watched our teammates rapidly disappear from the map, this one map constantly popping up on the feed. then i watched the tanks on OUR side die. then i see his mark on the bridge finallly flash

also excuse me gaijin wtf is this shit

4.0 HEATFS slinger ok

[mellow zealot]

think its only 4.0 cuz its open top and a casemate

i could easily see this thing at 5.0 tbh

[serene birch]

im sorry little one

[serene birch]

exhibit A

has a far larger profile, worse HEATFS round, 0 depression

[eternal zenith]

it's great, but the reload time + accuracy is icky

[eternal zenith]

105mm vs 76mm, ofc it's worse HEAT at almost half 1/3rd the explosive filler

[serene birch]

(yeah but its also 1.3 BRs higher man)

if one can be 4.0 the other can too lmfao

[eternal zenith]

no

it's just a 76mm gun, with the better reload etc

[serene birch]

that is very wrong, pt76 is garboo compared to the ikv

[eternal zenith]

but it's able to swim

nah, with the full rotational turret, the better sights, speed, etc. it's better than the Ikv

I mean I'd take the Ikv before the Pt76 every time but I don't believe it should be in the same bracket

[serene birch]

turret is meh when you kinda have to play them as snipers anyway

[eternal zenith]

true

[serene birch]

sight is only marginally better

and its not faster than the ikv wtf

[eternal zenith]

heck, put it in 4.0

it aint?

[serene birch]

no

[wind star]

I love the autism of this game

[serene birch]

pt is like 40km

[wind star]

Anything new and everyone swarms it

[serene birch]

ikv is like 50-60?

plus as a sniper you want a far far smaller profile

[eternal zenith]

you mean the vilkas?

[wind star]

Flying the AMX and the entire enemy team ignores my team, I get chased by 16 aircraft

[eternal zenith]

oh that

[serene birch]

is the AMX any good actually

I gave up on the italian tech tree after I got the whole thing when it was first released lmfao

havent touched it since

[wind star]

Yes, but it suffers from attracting the retards at toptier

[serene birch]

most planes do so

if youre the first spotted, youre usually rhe first targetted

hive mentality

[wind star]

As in, ive noticed a lot of enemies tunnel vision you for very little reason beyond curiosity

Even if youre playing as support role

[serene birch]

yeah welcome to hive mind tards

........i want it

but do i want it this badly

[wind star]

Just had 3 F-4Cs, 4 AV-8s, 3 F-5Cs, a Shenyang, and 4 J-35s tunnel vision me

I got thoroughly shagged

[serene birch]

i only hate 2 of those aircraft

the other ones are fiar theyre prolly just trying to actually get a kil lfor once

[wind star]

The F-4s i sympathise with, fuck the rest of em

[serene birch]

shenyang too lmfao

poor thing

[wind star]

Not even that tbh

AB capable MiG 17

[serene birch]

a very slightly modified mig-17f at 9.3 is a yikes moment

[wind star]

Hmm, I dunno its pretty capable

[serene birch]

meanwhile the AS at 9.0 i do not feeel sorry for

[serene birch]

play it against 10.3s and youll see why its not great lol

[wind star]

Name a 9.3 apart from the Ariete that is good against 10.3s

[serene birch]

no CMs, cant even dodge AAMs either

Lightning

[wind star]

Arguable but a respectable mention

[serene birch]

swiss Hunter

(actually that might be 9.7)

also hunter fga.9

[wind star]

FGA.9 is pretty much worse than the F-5

Id wager

Powerful engine, but unable to commit to prolonged engagements

[serene birch]

hell naw

[wind star]

1v1 id 100% take the F-5 over the FGA

[serene birch]

it can fight them cause unlike the f-5 it wont bleed speed

[mellow zealot]

the f5 is a bullshit plane anyway and especially that premium one

[serene birch]

wait talking about the shenyang f-5

or

[mellow zealot]

yeah that spitfire is impossibly good

great rockets and bombs work

turns well either way

its just slow

its practically an attacker

[serene birch]

one of the fastest merlin spitfires tho so

[mellow zealot]

4.3 spitfire one of the fastest?

ehh

[serene birch]

5.7

wtf

its an LF Mk IX

this thing has the same loadout as the Mk IXc just not clipped wing like the TT variant

[mellow zealot]

oh does it

nvm

thought you were using the techtree thing

[wind star]

I see that the T series tanks still dont go pop when you put rounds into their carousel

Round after round after round

Ill see in the patchnotes: T series tanks ammo not detonating - So we've removed all the armour from the M1, Leo, Ariete and Type, and replaced with structural steel

[eternal zenith]

just didn't hit the ammo hard enough

[wind star]

Bruh id speak to the crews of these tanks but 70% of them are promoted to aerosol

Motherfucker how, the crew are literally fenced in by ammo

[ruby rain]

There is/was """bug""" going around that caused T-series tank carousel ammo cook off as if it was bustle ammo w blow out panels when hit

[wind star]

Very good

[copper laurel]

man my english is not good enough for this

do you mean it disappeared?

[wind star]

Imagine being sat in a T series vehicle (You have a chair made of live 125mm ammunition)

Worst nightmare honestly

[ruby rain]

I dont remember if it disappeared but there would be a big jet of fire above the tank afer getting hit

bu the tank still being mostly fine

[wind star]

The crew should be red fog in most scenarios I see in game

Drive alongside and start rattling 25 - 40mm APFSDS through the side and see the crew just sit there impervious to damage

The most common killshot I see on T series vehicles are when an APFSDS round takes out the feet of 2 of them

The way Spikes are rn? God no

Akerons would be implemented just as poorly

Has the KF41 been fixed or is it still just as useless as I remember?

I enjoyed it briefly when it released because it’s a faster puma, but then people started expecting rushes and now it’s useless

Also the APS didn’t work

[ruby rain]

I saw this in a gameplay vid on YT but now I cant find anything about it with Google

[copper laurel]

you know what i want

agm-114 hellfire L

its like spikes

but its a hellfire

[wind star]

It would be gimped because it would be too competitive

[serene birch]

gaijin give us r-27eas i beg of you

:3 i will do a little trolling

[wind star]

The APS still doesnt work on the KF41

Lord above its been 4 months

Take the fucker out the game if its like this

Spikes are fucked too, cant lock anything, even in full view

[eternal zenith]

can't confirm that

if you only see the turret 1km away true

[wind star]

Just tried to lock a M1128 out in the open, spike told me to go fuck myself as it drove on

[eternal zenith]

IRL it should be enough to laser designate for them to lock

do you use weapons lock or just the fire atgm button?

I tend to jiggle the weapon lock on until it sticks then fire

[eternal zenith]

problem is most stuff that gets thrown at you goes faster than 700m/s

tho it does kill heat rounds if I remember right

but guided missiles are a pain

plane fired that is

what annoys me is that other APS works like magic

[serene birch]

spikes are for nerds anyway

[eternal zenith]

nuh uh

anti heli missile

[serene birch]

fuck spikes all you need is apds

remove all apfsds and heatfs rounds

nothing but apds

[eternal zenith]

I see a Ka-50 I press R I continue my business with the T-80 I flanked

[serene birch]

and then your spike hits the ka-50 removes his tail and he proceeds to vikhir your anuk

[eternal zenith]

stop reading my mind

[serene birch]

:333 ka-50 can 100% function at 100% capacity without its tail guys

the tail is just for show i swear

[eternal zenith]

it has winglets for a reason, also superior soviet twin rotor design

[serene birch]

the rotors actually rotate slightly vertically in order to act as a rudder, the one you see on the tail is just a mock rudder, it doesnt actually function

[eternal zenith]

[serene birch]

i swear

putin told me in a super secret meeting we had about the current price of black sturgeon caviar

[eternal zenith]

they have a second guy moving steel dumbbells inside the hull

[serene birch]

fact

[wind star]

KF41 should according to Rheinmetall be capable of defeating KE ammunition

[serene birch]

the armour is made of nanobots as well, they simply move out of the way when they feel solid rounds coming their way

[serene birch]

unreliable nato source sorry

[eternal zenith]

imagine that

[serene birch]

give me a 1000 page essay and at least 100 soviet documents proving this

[wind star]

Concept phase brochure https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall Group/brochure-download/Vehicle-Systems/B260e0518-LYNX-KF41.pdf but this is obviously unsubstatiated

[serene birch]

fake source sorry, denied

only soviet documents are reliable

because as we know the kgb never lies

[wind star]

The undisputed turret toss champions

[serene birch]

t-series tank turrets are meant to soar violently into the sky to protect the turret crew (the most valuable)

it acts like the ejection cockpit on the aardvark

[wind star]

Ah, my bad

[serene birch]

i swear theyre fine when it slams into the ground

the driver is expendable, we just take lada drivers and put them into the tank, same layout essentially

[eternal zenith]

give the pilot 2 javelins or NLAWs

[wind star]

Holy shit, Gaijin just gave the ratio by saying 'the model is WIP'

Motherfucker why is it in the game then

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1vzBFFQApQEL

Cant wait for Gaijin to not give any spall liners to any other vehicles

See - Every NATO vehicle from rank 6 onwards

[keen sequoia]

wah trunder

[wind star]

I mean, think about it, if you were implementing a protective system for an armoured vehicle, would you only cover the faces of 30% of the occupants?

[keen sequoia]

wah trunder gaybing

[eternal zenith]

sure, the combat crew doesn't need spall liner, nuh uh

it's standard nato doctrine to protect the ammo above everything

[keen sequoia]

wah trunder

frfr

[wind star]

I hate to be that guy, but this game has very much an undertone of bias

[serene birch]

nuh uh

[wind star]

Not necessarily in terms of content, but the quality of modelling and neglect of pretty much everything non-russian

[serene birch]

nuh uh.

[eternal zenith]

shame the russian stuff doesn't come close to other nations even with attention to detail

in terms of cool and aesthetics, there's so many better models

ooh fun, new T-series variant

[wind star]

NATO vehicles look damn good and unique

[eternal zenith]

this one got bricks™️

[serene birch]

its a sin that american tanks dont come default with their based desert camo

[eternal zenith]

I was mad when they released the M1 KVT... ugly af

or the click bait...

[keen sequoia]

its based fym

metro

[wind star]

MAKE IT A FUCKEM 120 >:c

[keen sequoia]

how could you, metro

the kvt is based

[eternal zenith]

that stinky ERA placement and the oil drums on the back?

[serene birch]

had they given it its real paintjob it'd be so much cooler

[wind star]

I love the recent shit concerning the M1s armour

[serene birch]

that goes hard

[keen sequoia]

go hard

[serene birch]

that ugly green and shit brown does not go hard

[keen sequoia]

Taliban captured abrams

simple

my fellow allah fighters love the kvt

[eternal zenith]

yes

side note, anyone else shooting down the plastic chair on the click bait just for laughs?

[eternal zenith]

vismod removed it's decent looking

[wind star]

Ive been avoiding that BR because its a state

[serene birch]

gaijin when

WHEN.

[keen sequoia]

its nothing without vismod

that gives the taliban abrams its SOUL

and yes i know its meant to be a T-72 but FUCK that

[serene birch]

krasnovian tyvm

[keen sequoia]

TALIBAN

ABRAMS

IS KING

[serene birch]

KRASNOVIAN

[eternal zenith]

you want taliban abrams?

[keen sequoia]

I have it

the kvt

is legit what the taliban would put on it

random shit

[keen sequoia]

TALIBAN

ABRAMS

[serene birch]

KRASNOVIAN.

i love that he flag makes 0 sense

god i love the usa

[keen sequoia]

TALIBAN

ABRAMS

[serene birch]

hell yeah lets make a commie country that makes 0 fucking sense

[eternal zenith]

taliban technical

[keen sequoia]

new update https://live.warthunder.com/post/1044637/en/

[serene birch]

inb4 it breaks down

what they gonna do then

[keen sequoia]

have you seen the technical with the 20mm

not technical

[eternal zenith]

saleem changed the engine with a 3.5l mercedes diesel truck

[keen sequoia]

i am high

humvee with 20mm

ABDUL

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

I NEED THIS FOR SPARE PARTS

BRING THAT BACK HERE

[serene birch]

oh my god look how far back that shit is sinking

that fires and it 100% breaks the fucking axles

[keen sequoia]

yep

[serene birch]

LOL

[keen sequoia]

But mashallah, then it becomes an emplacement

[serene birch]

rip suspension

god i could not imagine

going 80mph

and hitting a pothole with that gun on the back

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-fail-air-time-police-gif-20777977

this is p accurate of what would happen ngl

[keen sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/raptor-ford-jump-ramp-gif-17054383

[serene birch]

who you guys siding with

baja republic might be lit if they have baja blast

[keen sequoia]

clearly Krasnovia

it has that ring to it

and

Muh TALIBAN abrams

FUCK YOUR "Krasnovian abrams"

ITS THE TALIBAN'S

[serene birch]

yep thats a mighty fine looking 2a4.....

[keen sequoia]

hot

[serene birch]

why doesnt mine look like that

[eternal zenith]

why do they insist putting logs onto everything?

[serene birch]

actual reason

gives you traction in mud

mud slippery, log is not

[eternal zenith]

yeah no, they just can't help it following their shitty soviet doctrine

germans really carrying logs around?

I thought the point of the leo 2 is european battlefield conditions?

[keen sequoia]

Because it actually has a tactical use

[eternal zenith]

show me when you can put a log during a war thunder game

[serene birch]

shhh :3

[eternal zenith]

I've not seen a single pbl 123 with a log on it

[serene birch]

real reason you wont see most nato tanks with them in most pictures

logs rot, no point lugging it around if your enot gonna be in a muddy area

and considering the oinly place NATO tanks have seen action is the middle east lately

you dont really need logs for sand

another tank could easily pull you out

[eternal zenith]

fair, but before i get too heated on this the reason this bugs me is because the rear end is actually quite pretty

[keen sequoia]

Aight boys, time for a german lineup makeover, what we thinking?

[eternal zenith]

why hide it

[serene birch]

burn it

[keen sequoia]

M10 but tiger

Erzats M36

frfr

[eternal zenith]

lmaoo

[serene birch]

burn it

[wind star]

Spikes literally acting up rn

[copper laurel]

i wonder for how long can they use them before they run out of parts

[eternal zenith]

remind me how that gun bazaar is called

[serene birch]

GAIJIN LITERALLY WHEN

this would be a cool as fuck event vehicle

[keen sequoia]

So what are we thunking for my lineup makeover

[eternal zenith]

what is it

[serene birch]

nah its a hydraulic powered pz iv

[eternal zenith]

ooh

[keen sequoia]

Funny erzats tiger for normal, and then the funny snow one for funny snow

[copper laurel]

what is this exactly

[keen sequoia]

Same with tiger 2

[serene birch]

they tried to pull the tiger p but with a pz iv but wanted to fix the spontanious combustion problem

and so they were like

FUCK IT HYDRAULIC POWERED

(it failed shockingly..............)

[eternal zenith]

what does hydraulic powered mean

like track drive is a hydraulic motor?

[serene birch]

yeah petrol/hydraulic system for the engine

[eternal zenith]

that's cool

[serene birch]

unlike the petrol/electric that porsche tried

[soft oracle]

It was a huge fail

[serene birch]

same exact output p much but less violent fires

[serene birch]

well only because the allies were knock-knock-knockin' on hitlers door

(still wouldve been a flop tho)

too complicated

[eternal zenith]

I mean it's just a type of hydrodynamic transmission

[soft oracle]

But Tiger 2 X engine was sooo goood it is still being used in T-14 Armantura

[eternal zenith]

eeh

[serene birch]

yeah but germany needed to massproduce shit

[eternal zenith]

it's not the same engine I swear. It's actually a oil pump engine

[serene birch]

not delicately assemble a very complicated hunk of steel to get shredded by allied mass production vehicles

[eternal zenith]

While talking about engines, has any tank ingame regenerative steering yet

[serene birch]

can we get this an event vehicle too

[eternal zenith]

modern MBT loose half their speed turning 25° IRL I forgor

[eternal zenith]

probably didn't help that the slaves they used producing all that complicated hardware knew their families weren't "treated very well"

[soft oracle]

Rather SO-122

[eternal zenith]

T-55 engine'd sherman

[soft oracle]

Yeah would be boring for 99% of the players

[serene birch]

also based

but for an event like the is-2 one from a while ago the concrete sherman would be based

[soft oracle]

Yeah

Brits got TOG

Germans Sturm

Now Soviets probably for SO-122

Actually Soviets had their rocket truck recently

USA for SO-122, would be funny

[serene birch]

i hope britain gets another one

being the bob semple

that would be unironically so based

or they could just go full fake tank mode

and add the KV-VI

[wind star]

Why are there so many squads at toptier

[serene birch]

best way to grind unironically

[wind star]

Cant Gaijin put their greasy asses into their own games

[serene birch]

top tier is less mind numbing when youre goofing off with friends

[serene birch]

you wouldve loved the old days, when squads of 4 always had to face a squad of 3 or 4

(queue times were awful for 4 man squads tho)

[wind star]

Lame gameplay when both teams are sweating

No one pushes, caps, or peaks, just 4 blokes 3rd person sitting behind hills

[serene birch]

i mean thats top tier for you

(except for the low level nerds)

or the people very new to it

you really cant grind well if youre gonna rush

(unless youre a t80)

[wind star]

Not even doing badly, its just so dry

[serene birch]

yeah but with friends

the grind doesnt seem so grindy yk