🛩war-thunder

[somber urchin]

[stray bane]

how much money does that cost?

[somber urchin]

a few hundred

[stray bane]

[cold lichen]

Its a recoilless rifle

[somber urchin]

Did some calculaions

735 Gjc WITHOUT the ersatz which isnt for sale

That would go for like another 250 tbh

So if you could buy it

about 1k

[stray bane]

fuck me

this game is a joke

[copper laurel]

i would take the tiger e instead of premium tiger

since the fucking commander thingy

and the smoke launchers

[somber urchin]

Yeah but uhh

funni

also furry :3

[copper laurel]

[somber urchin]

[serene birch]

also good typo gaijin

[copper laurel]

literally unplayable

[serene birch]

[serene birch]

fuck i died and this was the last thing i saw

[serene birch]

also premium bonus so extra sl

[somber urchin]

[serene birch]

tigor

do you have the plushie decoration and decal to slap on that tiger

[somber urchin]

No

[serene birch]

D:

[somber urchin]

I dont like the 3D decorators

[serene birch]

fair

its a tigor wearing a helmet

you can still get it

[somber urchin]

Meh

I dont feel like giving money to gaijin

[serene birch]

completely fair

its way overpriced

its 10NZD for that, a title and decal

defo not worth it unless you really really like it

[somber urchin]

Oh I thought it was Phlys fuckin CC bonus

[serene birch]

it is

well sort of

its a pack you can buy

hes got a discount and a pack

[ruby rain]

Damn, didn't notice

[keen sequoia]

uhhh

@sleek fractal I wonder

[sleek fractal]

Wa?

[keen sequoia]

Instead of using my 5000 GE to get the HFS 80, should i instead get the 9.7 MiG-21S for the soviets?

when it goes on sale

[sleek fractal]

I have it,i never played it

[keen sequoia]

I see

[sleek fractal]

I rather play 23ML

But recent br changes made 10.3 and 9.7 pretty good

[keen sequoia]

Hmm

I just dont know if it would be better for me to get the T-55 and the MIg-21S for the soviets

or the T-55 for the soviets and the HFS 80 for the germans

[sleek fractal]

Dont buy any and get Premium time

[keen sequoia]

nahhhhhhhhh

[sleek fractal]

Only thing worth buying imho 1 year prem on sale

Tells you the guy with over 200 premium vehicles in WT

(Number is just guessed)

[keen sequoia]

[somber urchin]

Yeah

get premium time or talisman

dont waste your time on premium jets

Jet gameplay is trash anyway lmao just go play DCS or ace combat

[ruby rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH34qD3gjdI

A 2.3br APHE that can pen most enemies??
must be nice

[sleek fractal]

at 2.3 everything can pen everything

[ruby rain]

not if you play SWE

[sleek fractal]

lel APDS lolpen

You can pen but you gotta hit right xD

dont make a joke about the Pbv now

[somber urchin]

Then stop playing sweden

[sleek fractal]

Nah he wants to make a joke about the only 2.3 sweden

pbv 301

20mm with 40mm pen

[somber urchin]

He seems to have disliked every day he plays that nation but keeps grinding it

[sleek fractal]

Sweden is one of the best nations ingame lel

[somber urchin]

Only at higher tiers

Cause it gets copy pasted vehicles like China

[ruby rain]

I grind it for that reason

but Im reconsidering...

[somber urchin]

You'll be grinding for a long time

[sleek fractal]

Israel is nice.

[somber urchin]

Ew Israel (not a political statement)

[sleek fractal]

But again only when you get to the Merkava

When German Merkava ?

[somber urchin]

Hopefully never

[sleek fractal]

We got one gifted by them xD

Its a 1B but who cares

[somber urchin]

When the US gets its King tiger

Or the British their panther

[sleek fractal]

Everyone has Russian tanks already so im fine with that

[somber urchin]

play as Germany
use t72
play as UK
t90

[somber urchin]

Wrong mindset

Make it less in other tech trees

Not more in others

[sleek fractal]

Was sarcasm i really hate it

even that Sweden has the better Leopards

[keen sequoia]

or the british their Tiger

[sleek fractal]

Its dumb,we had those mods first just didnt ever use them properly.

As if Sweden ever used them properly xD

[ruby rain]

shit I might just switch to Germany

[somber urchin]

Yeah do that

[sleek fractal]

Dont

[somber urchin]

Or US

It'll be more fun

[sleek fractal]

Us is really fun

10.3 is the most fun i had with US

M1 with 5.3 seconds reload

[somber urchin]

Been playing 11.0 and constant downtiers

🙏

[sleek fractal]

SOON TM

[somber urchin]

But their low tier is super good

[sleek fractal]

EH

wrong screenshot xD

SOON xD

[somber urchin]

How are you so poor on SL

[sleek fractal]

Just bought shit again

Crewed some tanks cause BR changes

[stray bane]

I've got like 50k lmao

[somber urchin]

There's a sale in like 3 weeks

And you have prem and a bunch of premium???

[sleek fractal]

🤷‍♂️ Can make easy SL with just playing the game

[somber urchin]

[ruby rain]

I get constant uptiers. M4A1's and and T-34's christ what a nightmare

[somber urchin]

Go play as the m4s homie

They are crazy good

M4A2 🙏

[ruby rain]

Ive already spent so many research boosters on SWE but whatever ig

[somber urchin]

Meh

Those things aren't worth much

[sleek fractal]

Can only make + now since they changed it with Premium xD

i hate that they removed the 500k best squad wagers

now its just 250k

with 3 mates easy abusable

[somber urchin]

Yeah

[soft oracle]

Dude one match in F-5C with 2 kills is 100k sl

[somber urchin]

Or even must 2

Well I was more stating that if it was so easy for him to get money we wouldn't be in the hundreds of thousands after buying stuff

[keen sequoia]

140-180 is youre cracked

[sleek fractal]

should play it more

[keen sequoia]

like me

[soft oracle]

Yeah 200k sl is easy

Isn't cracked

When you play cracked vehicle

[somber urchin]

Why are you hiding your other stats

[sleek fractal]

Hiding ? You can have the full screen who cares

[keen sequoia]

[sleek fractal]

im suprised i have that high winrates on my US Vehicles

[somber urchin]

The US wins a lot (historical)

[stray bane]

Help my german teammates keep running away

[sleek fractal]

First mistake playing something that gets matched WITH Germany or Germany.

Friendly reminder for me: Grinding the PSO.

[ruby rain]

me asf

[somber urchin]

Hatred is a form of relaxation 🙏

[eternal zenith]

bought the KVT

[steep plaza]

fake russian tonkz

[sleek fractal]

Its just another 5.3 second reload tonk with premium bonuses

Remove the vismod and its pretty good

[eternal zenith]

that 105 even pen anything above 10.3?

[sleek fractal]

Yep unless you cant aim

[eternal zenith]

I hear a lot of ding's

[keen kestrel]

Holy shit you have so many talismans

Like the biggest war thunder whale I've ever seen

[sleek fractal]

Theres bigger ones.

I know a dude that instantly buys new Vehicles with real Money

[steep plaza]

[eternal zenith]

Did you bang his gf?

[keen kestrel]

I don't go out my way to look for it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sleek fractal]

He doesnt have one

[eternal zenith]

well he sounds like a turbo cuckold

[stray bane]

Society if whales didn't keep Gaijin bankrolled

[sleek fractal]

He is

[keen kestrel]

Pot calling the kettle black

[sleek fractal]

We pay so you can suffer for free

[keen kestrel]

Thank you for your service

[eternal zenith]

have anything against black ppl?

[keen kestrel]

No?

Do you not understand the saying?

[eternal zenith]

What's this shit about white boy?

[sleek fractal]

That is a saying?

[eternal zenith]

[stray bane]

A white boy calling a white boy white

New saying

Wt player calling the kettle a cuck

There that one is better

[eternal zenith]

Just pay others to grind for you

[stray bane]

The WoW strat

[eternal zenith]

preferably someone younger. And by pay I mean tell them you might give them your old PC if they're older

child labor is free most of the time

[sleek fractal]

How to get my gf playing WT

[stray bane]

I am normal and can be trusted with your war thunder login

[eternal zenith]

what they gonna do, fight you?

[sleek fractal]

Hey hey hey

Gaijin

Wheres my Camos?

Oh right im not a CC

[ruby rain]

anyway

imagine giving money to gaijin
I couldn't

[somber urchin]

Paypig...

🐳

[somber urchin]

I have done it before

gotten paid that is

💵

[eternal zenith]

does it let you get the losat voucher twice if you craft 6 reports in total?

[soft oracle]

Friend of mine spent $1.3k in single night on buying talismans and GE skipping vehicles

[soft oracle]

Gaijin when will you give brits this?

They lack good ATGM carriers for sure

[somber urchin]

Never

[ruby rain]

whats this thing called?

[soft oracle]

Warrior with HOT missiles

[ruby rain]

low speed STAB for reserve??
goated

[somber urchin]

Yeah

[somber urchin]

Stabs all the way through

except 6.7-8.0

[sleek fractal]

Then trade with Event Vehicles.If you do it right you get hundreds of GJC for free and with them you can buy GE etc all you gotta do is wait a few years.

[serene birch]

I really don't get some peoples reasoning for not buying premium, "Nah fuck Gaijin" is a p popular one, then why even play???

like sure the packs are overpriced and some are outright broken

but just premium time is a very wise investment

[serene birch]

having nothing but r-60ms against sarhs is brutal

[sleek fractal]

40 bucks for a year on sale,best investment

That and premiums you can easily get for selling event vics

[serene birch]

literally

also apparently you can earn old lootboxes again

[serene birch]

i killed an etendard.

[keen kestrel]

Because the game is still fun at its core?

[ruby rain]

for those who pay up

jk Im out me depth

[keen kestrel]

Ehhh
I used to think so but especially now that you get flares by default its not bad at all

I can get like 80-100k per game without premium

[leaden fossil]

He still believes

[cold lichen]

He's not wrong in some aspects

Like if the game was truely dogshit

Custom battles wouldn't exist

Which are very fun depending on the map

[keen kestrel]

Imo its that starting a dcs flight requires at least 20 minutes of prep for me

Meanwhile war thunder you can start immediately

And in gameplay its like 1 step up from ace combat

Ace combat is fine too but I like that in wt you can still kinda energy fight

[leaden fossil]

Filled with a-hole guys.
I mean I can write that for example I want to drive around and explore a map. And I guarantee you that I will still be bombed without ANY hesitation

Back in my days bombing someone repairing on the airfield was considered faux-pas

[cold lichen]

granted, I usually was the host

So if we chillin and someone decides to be to be an ass

He's gone and we still be chillin

[cold lichen]

Also, back then, AA on the airfield was actually useful and wasn't replaced with dodgeable missiles and shitty AA systems

[sleek fractal]

Open your own custom battle then

[sleek fractal]

Yeah i kicked those assholes usualy

[leaden fossil]

Reee

[leaden fossil]

🫡

[leaden fossil]

Also I meant AB/RB but yeah. Applies to both

[soft oracle]

Average german player when their aldon hilters glorified 88mm cannon can't penetrate IS-4Ms upper front plate

[ruby rain]

[somber urchin]

nICE

Now you see why I was always saying go play US lmao

[ruby rain]

good call

also credit to a M4 that was distracting enemies while I hid behind the fountain at C

[somber urchin]

LOSAT gaming in 8 minutes

[somber urchin]

:)

[soft oracle]

Congrats

You have obtained weird and useless vehicle

Enjoy

[somber urchin]

:3

[trail briar]

sell it for crazy profite

[somber urchin]

30 gaijicles isnt crazy profit

[keen sequoia]

Theyll go for hundreds soon

Last event, they were like 30 bucks

then i checked after it ended

And they were hundreds

And by last event, i mean the Mech crafting event

[sleek fractal]

1-2 years "soon" depending on if the fix Gaijin wants to do actualy improves the Vehicles

Crafting event vehicles are usualy worth more,but overall Events got easier.They aint worth that crazy much anymore.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009065559637381120/1159592194517241997/pumasuffered.mp4?ex=65319563&is=651f2063&hm=fe62970dd0500f999cefe97f1d6c306804aca63bcc2d0396ead6fbabc19487ee&

[somber urchin]

the game is also unfortunately more popular so more people will get them

[somber urchin]

good gameplay :)

[dawn vine]

what ever happened to enlisted

[soft oracle]

I remember when crafting even vehicles were like 100 GJN from the go

But now

[sleek fractal]

Nothing.

Still a generic 2nd ww shooter with an interesting squad mechanic.

[somber urchin]

Well the first ones were like 3-5 day events lmao

[sleek fractal]

Fuck the Is7 and Obj. Event

[somber urchin]

I have the furry tiger and Is-7 but never bothered with the obj 279

[sleek fractal]

Its fun on 8.7 but those Events were such a rip off without paying in

[serene birch]

this is still the best skin

no one can change my mind unfortunately

[sleek fractal]

Pink Spitfire

[serene birch]

incorrect

not better than a cat

[sleek fractal]

True

Cat beats pink stuff

[serene birch]

exactly

even better than its on an F-104

[sleek fractal]

He loves pink toys dont ask me why he cant even see most colours

Lawn dart cat

I dont miss the times when 104's were crazy garbage

Now they are just ok

[serene birch]

I mean most still arent great

theres a few that are hidden gems tho

f-104g is

[sleek fractal]

Im getting monitored

[serene birch]

is that an NH-90

[sleek fractal]

NH-90 yep

[serene birch]

FUCKING FRENCHY

[sleek fractal]

We bought them from the French

[serene birch]

yeah same for us lol

but guess waht

(therye shit at being coastal vehicles)

(they rust easily)

(yet theyre designed to be coastal???)

[sleek fractal]

That we know and thats why we dont use them for that

[serene birch]

NZ is all coastal B)

[sleek fractal]

We are near the North Sea but we use em as Troop Transport

[serene birch]

furthest away from the ocean you can get is 110km or something lmao

[sleek fractal]

But not near enough for salty sea air

[serene birch]

so our air is saaaalty

[sleek fractal]

Lemme check

[serene birch]

but yeah our airforce is CONSTANTLY repairing them

[sleek fractal]

235 km

2 hours 20 Minutes via car

[serene birch]

110 isnt very common either

most places are aonly about 50-80 kms away

[sleek fractal]

We have no speed limit and its just straight driving up so if you go 260 or even just 200 with no problems its a bit more than an hour

[serene birch]

I'm honestly surprised NZ hasn't done what Norway has and replace them with the MH-60 Seahawk

or SH

or SW

idk

[sleek fractal]

Money

Most people making those decisions never seen a Helicopter irl

Imagine next thing in WT will start with an U

[serene birch]

wHATEVER THE FUCK ITS CALLED

[serene birch]

blackhawks could genuinely come

some have been outfitted with hellfires lmao

[sleek fractal]

U boot

Submarines

I forgot the word

[serene birch]

well mobile alreayd has them ;3

its only a matter of time

[sleek fractal]

I wonder who will leak the documents for those

[somber urchin]

I mean really anything with an electrical impulse can fire a hellfire

its just relies on the hellfire seeing a laser

[serene birch]

yeah can but they HAVE been used on them which is mega funny

[somber urchin]

I mean they are being used on the back of pick up trucks in Ukraine but if its land based its called a brimstone and not hellfire

[serene birch]

ill brimstone your hellfire

[somber urchin]

[serene birch]

but yeah I honestly hope helis get more love

[somber urchin]

I hope they get less love

[serene birch]

could genuinely be interesting if gaijin didnt just push them as “annoying easy to spawn CAS”

[somber urchin]

unless more love involves them receiving more missiles to the face

[serene birch]

no I mean rework them in GRB and fix their own game mode

[somber urchin]

Helos are bad for the game 😤

The gameplay is so unfun and the damage models are busted

[serene birch]

nah overall theyre good cause its a nice thing but the way theyve been implemented is no bueno

hence why i said itd be good if they received more love cause more love = more attention and fix shit

[somber urchin]

helo gameplay
take off
hide behind rock
fire missile

tank gameplay
5 minutes into game
spawn in
be driving
missiled

I always teamkill friendly first spawn helos when I can

[serene birch]

i mean thankfully most helos cant spawn instantly with AGMs anymore

they can only be spawned with rockets now mostly

[somber urchin]

Yeah

which is really bad

for everyone involved

[serene birch]

S-8s are garboo

Hydras are funny

[somber urchin]

If you are a light vehicle you are just fucked for spawning in a light tank at the start of a game

[serene birch]

I feel like they should defo remove helo spawn thats like 4-5km behind

cause its cringe that they can spawn fly up and get a kill with an AGM so easily

the spawn further back is fine because its harder to get a kill on tanks with an AGM from 8-10km back

not impossible but the tank sorta has to be sitting in place but then thats on them for just staying in 1 position for the whole match lmao

[somber urchin]

We already had a solution for this

it was called planes

[serene birch]

bro ive seen more people complain about plane cAS than heli CAS

[somber urchin]

That just means the common WT user is stupid (this is a true statement)

[serene birch]

yeah, helos arent really all that bad, yeah theyve got glaringly bad issues but so does 90% of the game in general

[somber urchin]

Ok so fix those issues

dont pass them off because other things are also busted

[serene birch]

yeah but gaijin got bigger fish to fry

[somber urchin]

Helos are the most glaring gameplay issues in the game

[serene birch]

adding more pretty graphics ;3

[somber urchin]

adding more premiums :3

[serene birch]

theyre definitely not lol

[somber urchin]

Yeah ok

naval exists

But when it comes to what 95% of the player base experiences

it is

[serene birch]

no i mean just the pretty weird balance of what nations get shit at what time for GRB

[somber urchin]

That isnt nearly as bad

[serene birch]

it really is lmao

[somber urchin]

How is that worse than having an entire tech tree branch just fucked up the balance of the game

Reminder that Gaijin COMPLETELY CHANGED SPAWN COSTS because of helos

[serene birch]

whats worse, having tanks that have atrocious powercreep or having helis that are a lil worse than planes at being CAS for a little cheaper SP

[somber urchin]

The helos and a complete false equivalency

[serene birch]

how are they the worst gameplay issue atm lmao

[somber urchin]

https://streamable.com/8xn7r4

[serene birch]

Yeah but that's no different from plane CAS? You can do some similarly stupid shit in the right situation?

And same with tanks, the right situation and you can demolish an entire team in a short time frame

[somber urchin]

Aircraft dont have 8-16 missiles and are much easier to hit than a helo behind a rock

[serene birch]

No but they have GBUs which you can drop from space

and Mavericks which are very forgiving

not me but a friend of mine

GBUs can be just as good if the setup is right

which is part of the fun of WT

its fun when you get rare moments like that

[somber urchin]

With helos its a lot easier to do

[serene birch]

It's really not any easier

[somber urchin]

Its significantly easier

It costs almost 1100 spawn points to get an F-4E with 6x mav

its costs less than 600 to get a YAH-64 with 8x Hellfire

And mavs have about the same range

And 8x hellfire at most is 8 kills but that probably wont happen

but 3 kills is very doable

(source I did it the first time I had unlocked the hellfires)

And getting 600 spawn points is a lot easier than 1100

[keen kestrel]

Helis if you pay attention are a lot more survivable too

[somber urchin]

A lot of maps have hills or cliffs etc that they can just hide behind if AA shoots at them

And a lot of them at top tier have extremely powerful AA missiles/defense

[serene birch]

It's really not, helis are just as easy to shoot down (and MBTs can even do it because LSR)

[somber urchin]

laser warning
move slightly

moving at even 5-10kmh left or right can throw off a 4-8km shot very very easily

[serene birch]

All it really takes is for them to range you once and then their shots are gonna be a lot more accurate with minor adjustments

[somber urchin]

Yeah just stand out in the open while the helo fires at you

[keen kestrel]

I wish gajoobs heli flight models were realistic
Just because it'd be hilarious to see those Turms-T + Ka-50 players cap a point and immediately VRS and die in their helo

[serene birch]

And there's a reason airplane CAS costs a lot more SP... it's cause they're more effective unless you're a tard (which to be fair a lot of players are)

[somber urchin]

Astray I feel like you are completely missing the point here

[keen kestrel]

• sometimes helis just eat entire he shells
  Like they're 90% papier mache

[somber urchin]

if hit Helos usually die (except when they dont and are completely fine without a tail rotor)

But ya know

you gotta hit em

while also not getting missiled

[serene birch]

You're acting liek they're impossible to hit lmao, they're not and there are plenty of people who have videos of them bonking helis on the regular with MBTs

[keen kestrel]

Ka-50/52 would be fine!!!
Kinda.... It becomes pretty wonky to fly in DCS when that happens

[keen kestrel]

Actually its always wonky to fly

[somber urchin]

Yeah those two would be "ok"

Nah the Ka-50 is a dream to fly in DCS

[serene birch]

well they dont have a tail rotor to begin with so B)

[somber urchin]

and is still usuable with trim to get landed without a tail

[serene birch]

but yeha heli FMs are fucked and they seem to fly fine when their tail is ripped off but when you break just the rotor itself without the tail coming off too they spin out of control

[keen kestrel]

The autopilot is really more confusing than helpful to me
The AH-64 is nice but the Huey is the helo that flies like a dream

[somber urchin]

The autopilot system is fuckey

but I usually fly without it

[keen kestrel]

The gazelle flies well but it flies like its from war thunder....

[somber urchin]

Its easier to just trim that shit out

Apache is weird I usually just CPG tbh

I dont fly the huey cause 💤 gimme weapons

Gazelle is uhh funky tho yeah and has the damage model of a warthunder helo

[keen kestrel]

How?
There's an emergency autopilot disconnect but outside of that you're always flying with stability augmentation

[somber urchin]

Well it has an FCS

and an autopilot

You just press the button in the bottom right panel

and itll disable the auto stabailize system and itll fly more like the hind/hip

Its weird

Light on = autopilot off

[keen kestrel]

Okay it still uses some fly by wire like that
You need to disable the AP channels with the emergency disconnect I'm quite certain

But don't quote me on that I'm not the best black shark player

[somber urchin]

Yeah you shouldnt disable the FCS

just the autopilot lmao

[keen kestrel]

Yeah and it'll end up feeling a bit weird compared to more natural helos still 😭

[somber urchin]

The datalink is so fucking scuffed in that helo dude

Its so overly cumbersome to just send target data to someone

[keen kestrel]

That's why they made the 52

Everything in the 50 is cumbersome irl
It scored significantly worse than Mi-28 in shooting ranges

[somber urchin]

You cant just

lock target
send data

its

lock target
mark target on map
select data to send
send data

person pressed button to recieve data
person needs to select mark
person can now slew to mark

[somber urchin]

They were designed in conjunction iirc

it was meant to be like Ka-52 with Ka-50 wingmen

so Ka-52 would do all the datalinking and sending target prioritsations to the Ka-50s

and then they realised that single people helos were bad and that they could do everything with the 52

But why did they ever make the Mi-28 cause it fills almost the exact same role as the Ka-52?

And like isnt any cheaper

[keen kestrel]

Its the Ka-27

The 52 originates from a competition for Turkey after the Russian military considered it to suck

Both in cost and being single pilot

Russian has (had) like 20 50s ever and 200 52s

[somber urchin]

Yeah

[keen kestrel]

Ka-60*

Ka-27 is the ugly naval aviation chopper

[somber urchin]

Not ugly :(

friend :(

[keen kestrel]

Idk the lack of a tail rotor just doesn't work for its looks

[somber urchin]

I like how the Ka-50 looks but not the 52

I dont like the cockpit

or frontend

[keen kestrel]

Imo both look fine

There's a similar plane in Russia too

Su-34

[somber urchin]

The duck

It looks weird

I prefer the Su-30

[keen kestrel]

Cursed twin seat Su-33

No clue why they didn't make it tandem seat like F-18D or F-16D

[somber urchin]

I mean that is the Su-30 but with the 34 they widened the fuselage for more bomb load iirc

It also allows much better communication between the 2 crewmembers

[keen kestrel]

Worst part of videogame helos is definitely the stick

I wanna get the Brunner CLS-E just so flying helos feels like it does irl

Or make my own ffb stick
Wouldn't be too hard I think

Base it on this since its open source
https://www.etsy.com/fi-en/listing/1366225901/laserwing-miniffb-forced-feedback?click_key=131040f95bfb3bbac696b2f05260752aede3d549%3A1366225901&click_sum=d26c4d9b&ref=shop_home_feat_1&sts=1

[ruby rain]

planes and helis being able to still use weapons after being counted as "Destroyed" is highly regarded

[sleek fractal]

Yep,it was fixed and they changed it back

Stupid

[ruby rain]

why was it changed back?

[sleek fractal]

it wasnt intended

It was a bug that people got kicked out of their KA-50 3 seconds after they lost their whole tail.

[ruby rain]

oh, by "fixed" you meant only for one heli?

[soft oracle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2560840/Steel_Aces/

Steam

Steel Aces

Prepare to take command of your own tank and dive deep into the annals of history with Steel Aces, the highly anticipated MMO tactical tank shooter that's set to redefine the gaming landscape. Developed by seasoned veterans of the genre, Steel Aces seamlessly combines strategy, simulation, and historical authenticity to offer gamers an unprecede...

Release Date

2024

▶ Play video

Don't expect a lot from it

[sleek fractal]

For every Helicopter or plane

if they were "criticaly" damaged they were dead

You can fly most planes with a missing wing or wingtip

With the "fix" it bailed you out soon after

Then they unfixed it and its dumb again

[sleek fractal]

Is that a meme

[soft oracle]

No

Actual tank game

Combining wot and wt

For example

[sleek fractal]

"sign up now to get a free Wallpaper "

[soft oracle]

Removing costly premium shells for realistic WT ones but it has aiming system from WoT

[sleek fractal]

Costly premium shells ? xD

[soft oracle]

I mean in WoT premium shells are like 4 times the regular one

[sleek fractal]

You can even make Money in WoT with just shooting "premium"

in WoT *

Theres now so many booster and premium options

But still

Not a selling point

[soft oracle]

It has health system with penetration and damage system from WT

So you get WT overlay what your APHE has done but it also does take down general health of the tank

Idk how it works

[sleek fractal]

Sounds horrible smh

very distracting

cause why should i care about the cam when i know i penetrated but it has a health bar

I see i did damage via the healthbar and thats more than enough visual input

its unnecessary to overload the screen with useless info

[soft oracle]

Like if you shoot ammunition it does insta kill

But if you penetrate same place multiple times like taking the crew out it does certain value of damage

No premium op vehicles but like collector vehicles for you to buy

They claim they are ready to implement even blueprint tanks if they have enough info

Doesn't matter if they were built for real or out of paper

[ruby rain]

The description is sussy
"esports ready", "advanced", "immersive"

[soft oracle]

The whole development is sussy

It is barebones right now

Also WW2 and modern age will be separated

But will have ±1 system

[ruby rain]

where do they draw the line?

[soft oracle]

Unknown

PvE and PvP also part of the game

You will have like different branches of the trech tree

They mentioned like 15 ranks or something

With Recon MBT Tank Destroyer etc groups

https://youtu.be/-j2gzfu2Y8Q?si=Cdqoal0up6bkGpfG

I mean

If you can bear the situation

Just turn off the audio I guess

[ruby rain]

the 3rd P camera is too far away

u could almost oversee a whole battlefield w that

[sleek fractal]

its horrible

[ruby rain]

obv it should be positioned much closer and angled upwards

[ruby rain]

Why is M4 higher BR than M4A1?

[twin pulsar]

@keen sequoia

[somber urchin]

What

[ruby rain]

idk its actually not funi

what about this

[fossil escarp]

Poor man got fucking disintegrated (This was from my Teamates pov)

[stray olive]

guys i did it

i quit

im free

[sleek fractal]

You didnt,you wrote in a WT related Channel

[stray olive]

nuh uh

👍 👍 👍

I can finally be happy

[sleek fractal]

Acc also deleted?

[stray olive]

its the steam account thing so i dont think i can

[keen sequoia]

Give it a week, you'll be back

[stray olive]

probably

sisyphus grindset

[sleek fractal]

[somber urchin]

help
steam support
warthunder

[stray olive]

thank you brother

[keen kestrel]

I fantasise about doing that but after playing for now 10+ years I have a very sunk cost mindset about it

[sleek fractal]

i dont even think that deletes the data at Gaijin.Just removes the game from your Steam library.Actualy gotta write support cause even to Steam Accounts theres a Gaijin Acc. attached which you can activate/use to acces their Website,sales and the Gaijin Market.

Theres still people buying even more overpriced packages on Steam

[keen kestrel]

Even just deleting it would be a step in the right direction

Its been nonstop installed all this time

[leaden fossil]

🫡

[soft oracle]

It is so over!
next week
We are sooo back!!!

[stray bane]

Airplane autism has worn off
I'm free

[somber urchin]

This is the kind of airplane autism I like

[frigid carbon]

best weather to take off on a mission

[stray bane]

Too lazy to learn DCS mission editor and don't have enough RAM for multiplayer

[somber urchin]

The DCS mission editor is pretty easy to use tbh

its very intuitive for simple missions

[stray bane]

I'm just a mix of lazy + busy

[somber urchin]

Its very similar to the Arma editor

[stray bane]

I could get my laptop up to 32gb RAM but people say I shouldn't bother unless I have 64

I got it a few months before I started college and it was a major step up from my old laptop
I still love it dearly, just replaced the thermal module.

[somber urchin]

laptop

[stray bane]

Y U P

It made sense at the time
Nowadays, I'm not moving around so much where I need to keep my computer portable.

I'll build a proper PC next time I need a new machine. This should still have atleast a few years left in it.
college is also really fucking expensive and dropping 1000 dollars on a new toy for a niche hobby that I only engage with in short (but intense) bursts doesn't make sense

1000 on the low end too if I want a DCS machine

Pardon my copium huffing

[somber urchin]

Yeah its like 1k for the PC and 300 for the hardware

[stray bane]

I've got a quest 2 for head tracking but I can't use it for DCS very well

I didn't buy it for DCS, so it hasn't gone to waste

[somber urchin]

VR user

[stray bane]

gaijin where is my isosceles triangle?

They could just make it an OP premium that ruins an entire BR!

[cold lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018984454649290842/1160265071491022869/RDT_20231007_0941503280743116642322356.png?ex=6534080d&is=6521930d&hm=4e0502961eec8f9461e5f95125c7e5993938da3874d7f7cdb6f6f5f89c81bd63&

100% real

[stray bane]

of course

absolutely

woah new leak

[cold lichen]

REAL

K1A1 (Pack)
Gaijin would 100% do this shit to make japanese mains kill themselves

[stray bane]

Optimus Prime

Prigozhin

[somber urchin]

Prigongles

[steep remnant]

Prigozhin are tank or plane?

[cold lichen]

Its his private jet

Its gonna be a 11.0 and If your in a russian jet, it will immidately lock onto it

x2 the locking power if its on your team

[twin pulsar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/dR--ibSW_VA?si=qUXeDuq9Y-c9UpUZ

[soft oracle]

Samsung Galaxy phone

Still no M109

[stray bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096338766475558962/1160293660739514368/image.png?ex=653422ad&is=6521adad&hm=10f6b2f0afb52a5f8aaf9fae03561508107be38143fcbbe0b2781a46f0c0d362&
nuh uh

[soft oracle]

Fake

So trve

[stray bane]

it's real because it says real on there

BULGARIA #1 🇧🇬 (sub 10 minute TEC video!???!?!?!?!?!)

[twin pulsar]

Weird? Lol if you try to look at the Indian tech tree let's say it gets added overtime under Britain yep no literally Soviet, British, American, Korean, Israeli, French weapons like 💀 you know the rest

[serene birch]

weird? i was weird once

[trail briar]

Cant wait for greek tech tree so germany can get more Leo's to fill up the already filled roster

LETS GET 3O LEO 2A6S YES BABY LESS GOOOO

All the exact same with minimal visual changes

But somehow faster and with thicker armor (someone leaked military documents but they were tweaked to make the tank look better incase the devs used the documents)

[serene birch]

give them to america, they already have the greek apache B) make them disgustingly OP, add a squadron MiG-29S too for the US B))))))

[somber urchin]

The US has an Su-27 too

[frigid carbon]

no way amraams are coming in the near future

they need to change the whole top tier or it's gonna be literally ulcer

cant wait to fight amraams with my mig 21 because the X nation doesnt have anything better tnx gayjiin

[cold lichen]

[sleek fractal]

Gripen is planned for this year and amraam is a possibility still.Its either this or next Year.

They want to add more missile loadouts and spread the BR even more.At least thats what they communicated in Dev Streams.

If they do it is another thing

[somber urchin]

When they eventually come people will either soy out or realise the consequences of their actions

[stray bane]

The missile knows where I am at all times

[ruby rain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfw-7okMuIs

[trail briar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1L5N_k-CV6A?si=__PnpErf5w4FSLR2

[somber urchin]

Ew him

[ruby rain]

heli tryhard 🤮

[trail briar]

At least he goes in and doesn't spam atgms from afar

I respect that far more

and he's actually skilled

[somber urchin]

Not really

He only shows 1/100 games he plays

[trail briar]

You think you could do what he does?

[somber urchin]

If I put in the same time then yes

[trail briar]

1/1000 times?

[somber urchin]

I could make a compilation vid no issues

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trail briar]

then go for it, there's no need for the hate

[somber urchin]

[ruby rain]

Imagine shitting on normal people's gameplay for some clout or whatever

[somber urchin]

helicopters behave like run on magic
Nah bro he is just super skilled :)))

[ruby rain]

not to mention that a (almost) fully armed attack heli should not be nimble enough to do that, leading to:

1. ploughing into ground after 1/2 turn
2. snapping / stalling rotors

[somber urchin]

Yeah thats what Im talking about lol

VRS also doesnt happen often enough

I mean its proven that gaijin doesnt actually model engine torque on helos

as seen from the tail rotor being chopped off not doing anything

[ruby rain]

I felt that the 'advanced heli dynamics' in Arma 3 (I bet still far from a true sim) was a good intro for how tricky helis can be

[somber urchin]

Arma 3 is super arcadey overall

[ruby rain]

the Pawnee felt sluggish compared to the Hummingbird

[somber urchin]

I mean arma 3 aircraft run on ace combat logic

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby rain]

have you tried the advanced heli model? I think it was introduced with the Helicopters DLC

you basically cant fly without a joystick

[sleek fractal]

yeah nah you gotta watch this guys live streams

He quits 19 of 20 Matches because he instantly dies in his Helo

[ruby rain]

thats all the tldr needed

[trail briar]

well yeah, he wasn't heli content

[sleek fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJcqbvoDCg

rather watch spookston

[soft oracle]

War Thunder CC banter

If we only had Chems for War Thunder

[ruby rain]

chems?

[ruby rain]

@somber urchin that question wasnt rhetorical

[somber urchin]

Nah I have the DLC but didnt know the advanced heli model was a thing

[ruby rain]

try it

[somber urchin]

That means booting up arma

[ruby rain]

[soft oracle]

Printer

[midnight lotus]

so doing realistic battles give you more research points than arcade?

[soft oracle]

Yes

[somber urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

RP per kills his higher but kills per minute is lower

thus RP per minute is lower

[ruby rain]

I am no longer maldge, the hater of my evenings

[soft oracle]

Finally

[somber urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035788544230305872/1160730382287773767/1696759596258084.mp4?ex=6535b968&is=65234468&hm=2b2acf5571d2fb9fe1acbbcca1ec9f61e98326b463f25fde46e342a893fbdd8c&

[serene birch]

thANK YOU so many people think SB gives more but it really doesnt, it just feels like it cause of the big number at the end of the match. it used to be better a few years ago tho

[midnight lotus]

So what IS the fastest way to make research points then?

boosters and blood sacrifices?

[ruby rain]

git gud

[midnight lotus]

Damn...ill just become a streamer and get sponsored instead

[cold lichen]

That sight.....

[serene birch]

git gud, boosters, premium, either premium vehicle or the effective vehicle for what ur researching and RB

[sleek fractal]

You get SL that way but only a certain amount each month and sometimes GE,if you request a vehicle you get it for a few days as rental and spaded but keep the mods after removal.So in the end you still gotta grind if your not a big streamer

[midnight lotus]

[frigid carbon]

getting there boys

the grind is sweaty but we doing it

[sleek fractal]

Ayo

[ruby rain]

who is "we"?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-cat-blinking-cat-funny-cat-funny-cat-blinking-gif-27202865

[somber urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-triggered-gif-26561244

[cold lichen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986409578436628556/1150859138197372948/FtgN_eaaQAAvn6V-1.gif

[somber urchin]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/e/2PACX-1vQCwRdAeA7iGkCJcJP7NDnMU61XY9CzDT3QgzsO0lAU_0t6vBdlpAMg0SObo8FckTzb49BbHks-167-/pubhtml

Its so fucking over germany bros

[ruby rain]

what is this?

[somber urchin]

New BR changes

the right side is RB

left side is AB

[sleek fractal]

lel nice

back to 2,4 mil SL baby

T-10A poggies

Forgot how good it was actualy

[sleek fractal]

@serene birch You got one of those ?

[somber urchin]

I do :3

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1498130/Tank_Squad/

Steam

Tank Squad

▶ TANK BATTLESTank Squad is a tactical-combat action game, where you take command of your tank squad and lead it during tank battles of World War II. Take part in historical battles, set in linear campaigns, alone or with up to three friends. Each player can control his own tank or be a part of your tank crew.Each battle is a separate mission in...

Release Date

Q1 2024

▶ Play video

Shame its optimized as well as DCS

[serene birch]

got one of those what, the match or the tank

[serene birch]

lmao cant wait for the entire german playerbase whinge and have it reset

i wanna bully tiger 1s in my t29 again just like old times

[somber urchin]

:3

[serene birch]

i miss when it was 6.7

it was poggies

[somber urchin]

I miss it when the game was fun ;(

[serene birch]

so you never missed it ;(

[cold lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018984454649290842/1161037877891842260/Screenshot_20231009-122942.jpg?ex=6536d7c9&is=652462c9&hm=695e9a147e567d714e0e0b91d98771806b678875c1c79fef95ff0cb0df4bbff1&

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQCwRdAeA7iGkCJcJP7NDnMU61XY9CzDT3QgzsO0lAU_0t6vBdlpAMg0SObo8FckTzb49BbHks-167-/pubhtml

New BR changes

Tiger E is now 6.0

[soft oracle]

Late

[cold lichen]

💀

[serene birch]

thats a mighty fine lookin' class 3 p

why doesnt mine look like that :(

i want the big ol' turret ring

[serene birch]

its not

the turret just sits high on the turret B)

[ruby rain]

Olifant 2 has a similar thing

[serene birch]

(its the olifant turret)

[somber urchin]

Necc

[keen sequoia]

Saw this yesterday, can't wait

Looks really promising

[sleek fractal]

Tonk

Kv-220

[serene birch]

yes

its sadly not as good as it once was

[sleek fractal]

Yep,but its still fun

Cupola hunting on an uptier

[somber urchin]

Its gonna be a lot better now with the german uptiers

[serene birch]

fax

i cant wait to bully tigers in the t29 again

[sleek fractal]

T29/T30

[cold lichen]

[serene birch]

t30 is still 6.7

[uncut wigeon]

oh a warthunder chat nice i have over 1200 hrs. ik thats not alot to some of you but its cool that this is here im surprised. anyone got a fav jet? thats a dumb question of course you do. i like the f-5e

[serene birch]

even tho the BR is filled with all aspects and it doesnt have flares I still love the MiG-19S

[sleek fractal]

Ah shit

[ruby rain]

(its the cent turret w an extra layer)

[daring flame]

joking

[daring flame]

f-5e is by far the best 10.7 jet in the game once you learn it

[uncut wigeon]

yessirrr

[uncut wigeon]

migs go hard but yeah the 19s sadly fall off a little bit compared to others and dont get me started of the mig-21 pfm worst event vehicle ive bought

[arctic granite]

No not a joke sadly

Actually crazy that the tigers are going to 6.0

[somber urchin]

Long time coming

[daring flame]

?? They already get stomped now?

[somber urchin]

Uhhh only if they are bad

[daring flame]

Im a germany 5.0 enjoyer with my KW I C

But still

All the panthers going to 6.0 sucks too

[somber urchin]

A long time coming for those too

Panther D still 5.3 though

Should be 5.7

[sleek fractal]

Yeah they had it coming just like the Leopard got up BRéd

[somber urchin]

That thing was 7.3 for ages for no reason

[arctic granite]

I don't understand why they should be put up there. Majority of Mid teir Germnay players are retarded and the ones that are actually good can stomp, but those players aren't to common.

I think the IS-2s were fine where they are, dont think they should be at 6.3. They have alright front armor but their main downside is the long reload.

[somber urchin]

The is2 was fine where it was

[sleek fractal]

You answered your own question

Cause every Player that uses more than 2 Braincells can stomp with them.

People wanting good BR changes. Gaijin gives good BR changes. Germany Players:

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-13261737358986789359

Well yeah except for the Is2

But i guess they do that cause driving it backwards and eating hits was to effective and thats what we get from doing it.

[sleek fractal]

Oh btw do you know what the 6.0 change for the Tiger E does ?

It can now face an Is3 and nothing else changed.It can face everything else at 7.0 like an ZSU 57 but those aint an issue to kill. I dont even think theres more at 7.0 xD

[cold lichen]

The T29 is also 7.0

As well the M46

[arctic granite]

Good point

[arctic granite]

Thr ZSU 57 is a menace in the right hands

[sleek fractal]

Premium. M46 is a point though.

But the Tiger E can fight an M46 without an issue.

[arctic granite]

You can do the driving backwards with most Russian heavies and survive much longer

KV-85 is a prime example

[sleek fractal]

Not with an Is3 onward because of APDS incoming,

Yeah those and the IS series.

But thats why i mean they up BR the Is2

[cold lichen]

T-44-100 also?

[sleek fractal]

Other question

Is there people purely playing 7.0 lineups ?

[cold lichen]

No Lol

Mostly 7.3-7.7 line ups

Or 6.7

[sleek fractal]

Which means a 6.0 Tiger E wont see those usualy.

Question answered.

The only thing is Is-3,T-44-100 and ZSU 57 which could be played by some on a lineup

But 2 of these can be effectively fought by an Tiger E

[serene birch]

PFM is only bad if youre bad im afraid

it’s perfectly capable

[serene birch]

accurate

Panther F can perform just fine at 6.0 and its not leagues better than the G and A

[daring flame]

Bro the LOSAT is so fun

[ruby rain]

#🎪bruh-fart message

help a guy out

[serene birch]

i aint readin allat

[eternal zenith]

hell yeah

Came back home and played the LOSAT exclusively for 5h flat

[ruby rain]

not oneshot sniped from near enemy spawn?
HUH!

[eternal zenith]

that's why they gonna fuck something up real bad to stop people from playing with it

[sleek fractal]

You people talking about them nerfing it lol

They posted a text that they gonna fix and buff it

[somber urchin]

That was posted ages ago iirc

[serene birch]

the urge to hold onto the coupon and sell it later for profit

[sleek fractal]

2 weeks

[serene birch]

ages ago to the poor war thunder brain

1 match ago equals an eon to most WT gamers

[sleek fractal]

https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/current/1544

2nd October

So not even full 2 weeks

[serene birch]

2nd and it's the tenth to you weirdos, its barely over 1 week ago lol

[sleek fractal]

Its the 11th

[serene birch]

in the early AM no?

[sleek fractal]

Its 5:53 AM here

[serene birch]

yuck

[sleek fractal]

Yes

[serene birch]

get with the times

its 4:54pm

[sleek fractal]

Well i live in the future old man

[serene birch]

?

4:54pm on the 11th

i think youre behind me old man

[sleek fractal]

Well you said its the tenth

[serene birch]

to you weirdos

[sleek fractal]

Central Europe

[serene birch]

icky europe

[sleek fractal]

And people call this thing trash

[daring flame]

Yeah, there was a problem with the missle wiggling really bad in real games and not test drive

so you'd never hit

[somber urchin]

Who?

The 105 has been cracked since it came out lmao

[daring flame]

Its only downside is reload, thats it

[somber urchin]

At 10k RP per game and an average of 12 minutes per game it would take 8 hours to grind out each top tier air vehicle :)))))

[sleek fractal]

People that cant aim big guns mostly

[sturdy pulsar]

105 was disgusting on release

Absolute abuser tank

nowadays is still abuse but you have to aim

[sleek fractal]

Wasnt it like 2.3 or something

[sturdy pulsar]

yeah

and the old M8 was like 1.3

the M8 with the 75mm derp

and the 50 cal could punch through most tanks

[sleek fractal]

i forgot this exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM2VO7SaFQ0&ab_channel=Spookston

[somber urchin]

Spookston posting

[ruby rain]

I wanted to see how to pen it

[somber urchin]

Shoot the turret

[cold lichen]

yeah

Most of the crew is in the turret

With other 2 in the front

[ruby rain]

with the non stop uptiers I dont see that one anymore

Is track armour worth using?

(add-on armour)

[cold lichen]

Yeah, it can be

[ruby rain]

M4A2 and M10

[somber urchin]

Yeah

It helps

[soft oracle]

Boykisser posting

I mean it is true tho

[somber urchin]

[soft oracle]

Yeah he also gets pressed when someone says that his HSTVL videos are bs for lack of data

[somber urchin]

the mod bot when you say something 100% accurate >:(((

[ruby rain]

is that referring to Spookston?

[somber urchin]

Yeah

[serene birch]

idk who tf calls that sherman trash but they might have a brain injury of some descript

[serene birch]

use the wiki, you can use it to view literally any vehicle in your game easily

also it looks so goofy without the pontoons

[ruby rain]

but more like a tank

[serene birch]

looks uglier imo

holy fuck it adds 2300kg

[ruby rain]

compared to 26t not that much

[serene birch]

bro thats 2.3t in itself

that is a little more than gluing 2 suzuki swifts to each end

[eternal zenith]

Landship gives me nightmares

it's such a hilarious tank to encounter and I can never stop myself from shooting the hull. It's such a funny thing to encounter too

[soft oracle]

Mouse at bottom tier

[eternal zenith]

with crew spacing being the way it is it probably has higher survivability than most MBTs at 10+

most mbt commanders scratching their heads about how to deal with it cause all the ammo they brought are tungsten darts

[turbid hinge]

havent seen the Ka-Chi for ages

the little extra armor is quite worth it

its basically like the Ka-Mi but you dont die from 1 shot.

[turbid hinge]

Its worth it, but in a few months its even more worth it when the MiG-29 gets the R-77.

[frigid carbon]

yeah i only have half a plane to research from rank 7 and i get to the mig29 next

i hope they will adress the shitty flight perfromance nerf they did

meanwhile

[prisma nymph]

@turbid hinge (gonzo7747) has been kicked for reason: sorry but your profile picture is against our rules regarding war topics / cults / etc as it can be seen as offensive , please rejoin after you changed it

[ruby rain]

LOSAT'd

[frigid carbon]

7 days of premium left

[soft oracle]

Doable in 2 days

[ruby rain]

lil bug

[ruby rain]

J35XS: C

[serene birch]

not worth it B) grind for the F-16 instead

[serene birch]

whats the bug

[daring flame]

The sight isn't supposed to move with the camera

[ruby rain]

it doenst turn off

[serene birch]

hes moving the entire plane not just the camera

[daring flame]

I understand that but its staying in the center where the camera is looking, when on it does what it's supposed to and follows the trajectory of the plane

[serene birch]

thats because hes doing gentle movements

if he was doing rougher ones itd move a lot more

[daring flame]

not arguing

[serene birch]

lmao ok

[serene birch]

get a hammer. smash the sight. problemo solved

[frigid carbon]

No

[somber urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129012311647080549/1162099948104458322/Screen_Recording_20230211_220659_YouTube_1.mp4?ex=653ab4ea&is=65283fea&hm=0d276e9bafc81383ac265a9edb6fb2f171bcb092969a3f80069c0f70968ac1d2&

[daring flame]

HOLY SAVED

[sleek fractal]

Theres multiple of these statements like no nukes,napalm or flamethrowers

Shit we even have garbage naval despite them saying they wont do it at some point

[serene birch]

you must

[eternal zenith]

wouldn't it be funny if the Ki-48-II otsu will be worth more than the F-100 and LOSAT?

🫡

[serene birch]

beautiful

[serene birch]

I'd be sad.

[eternal zenith]

why?

it would be funny since i don't see anyone sell it, so it might be worth something just by being extremely rare

[serene birch]

You can't sell it yet

Oct 16th

[eternal zenith]

oh, well screw that then lmao

[ruby rain]

https://youtu.be/N_l-trEOtbk?si=8xj3X8pX8P4_ocb6

[serene birch]

wart onder

[sleek fractal]

first Dov Blörg