🛩war-thunder

[arctic granite]

If you can't win a battle with your ground vehicles maybe you don't deserve to win in the first place

Like it's such a no skill cop out

[cold lichen]

Well, let me clerify, IF you are losing but you know bombing the enemies out of their dug in postions can help you/your allies push a front

its more benificial

Cuz I don't play alone

I usually roll around with 1-2 other people

[arctic granite]

Wild how someone plays their vehicles right so they just get auto deleted by someone pressing the space bar

[cold lichen]

And If I can bomb the tanks that is preventing him or hell, an random ally from capping the point

Of course

playing a vehicle right and camping a corner if 2 differnt thing but

bud*

They are NOT the same

[arctic granite]

Camping a corner and defending the objective are two different things.

[cold lichen]

And Im gonna win the fight by bombing him

Its mixed for a reason

There no denying it

[arctic granite]

It's mixed because most players don't know how to push

[cold lichen]

No, it mixed because some vehicle CANT PUSH

You gonna push 2 tiger 2 H sitting on a cap with a M56?

[arctic granite]

That's natural, all of the vehicles aren't meant for pushing

[cold lichen]

You gonna do it with a M36B1?

[arctic granite]

No, you would flank or reposition. Bait and switch or just go to another point.

You don't have to push everything and everyone

[cold lichen]

Not if its the single point

[arctic granite]

So your solution is to hold J and come back in a plane? Why not just learn to push?

[cold lichen]

No, Im gonna try and kill him with a tank

If that doesn't work

and I know we can win

Im gonna spawn in a plane to destroy/disable his ass

[arctic granite]

Oh so you're going to fail to do it once and for no reason get another chance to do it while he's unable to defend himself

Sounds unfair to me

[cold lichen]

Its not unfair

When its a tool I can use

They have AA

They have fighters of their own

[arctic granite]

That's a completely blind assumption

[cold lichen]

No shit

[arctic granite]

Just because it's a feature doesn't mean it's fair

You know... You could use hacks, those are tools

[cold lichen]

So is not knowing there is a 2 Tiger 2 on a point

And if you are in a sherman

Good fucking lucking backing up bud

[arctic granite]

I mean personally I'm probably going to hear him before anything

[cold lichen]

cuz If I die, the next mf is gonna be a Pather

What Im saying is, we have tools to win matches.

[arctic granite]

If a Tiger II beats you to the point while you're in a Sherman I feel like that's a player skill issue

[arctic granite]

I'm saying that there are some tools which are straight up unfair

Also inherently unfun

[cold lichen]

If Im down to a sherman, which is all I have a 5.7 to 6.7

Im gonna do sherman things

and flank

[arctic granite]

Okay but why are you facing II Ps in a Sherman

[cold lichen]

My brother in christ, the M4A3 76mm HVSS

[arctic granite]

That just seems extremely abstract

[cold lichen]

IS 5.7

[arctic granite]

Yeah, why?

It could be 5.0 with not a single issue

[cold lichen]

Not really

[arctic granite]

Remind me what 76 armed vehicles sit at 5.0?

[cold lichen]

None

The M4A2 76mm sits at 5.3

[arctic granite]

So the M6A1 and M4A1 76 are...?

[cold lichen]

the M18 is at 5.7

4.7

[arctic granite]

😂

[cold lichen]

Both are fine there cause they have shit mobility

Compaired to the M4A3 76mm

[arctic granite]

So you think it's justified because the A3 has a little higher acceleration?

[cold lichen]

Oh yeah, better turning, faster turret, better gun laying

Its got bells and wisles

[arctic granite]

The M6 and M4A1 aren't sleepers man, they're pretty quick.

[cold lichen]

And its my best tanks

Love the damn thing to death

Well, its second to my best

M18 is fire

[arctic granite]

So, having slightly better stats, warrants an entire 1.0 extra?

[cold lichen]

If played right 🙂

Slept on the M36 too

Then picked it up

Had a blast both literally, and figuratively

[arctic granite]

So you're not so much basing the argument off vehicle stats, but how good a player is

[cold lichen]

You said it yourself

You can blast a T80BVM with a M8A1

I can blast one in a T18E2

[arctic granite]

I'm glad you completely missed the point of the statement. My capabilities shouldn't be what BR is gaged on.

Higher echelon players shouldn't have a huge effect on BR. It should be based on how vehicles compare to each other.

Like if they used my stats the T18 would be 6.0+

[cold lichen]

Love that damn thing

[arctic granite]

Because there's vehicles with that gun at 4.0+

[cold lichen]

Thats one vehicle I gotta agree on

T18E2 is not right at its BR

[arctic granite]

No, it's fine at 3.0

It already has to fight KV-1s and Panzer IVs

[cold lichen]

KV-1's yes

[arctic granite]

They should put the EBR back to 5.0

[cold lichen]

but Panzer IVs are where you draw the line?

4/70s I get

but 4's?

[arctic granite]

Yeah, the ones that should be 4.0?

And not 3.3 where they skullfuck teams nonstop?

[cold lichen]

They all got moved down to 4.0

THAT

Made no sense

[arctic granite]

Makes no sense that the Tiger and Panther are below 5.7

[cold lichen]

Cause they get bodied

[arctic granite]

Germans get so many potent vehicles with ridiculously low BRa

Like you go and play them now only to roll teams

[cold lichen]

By 85mm, 152mm, 90mm

Now you are relying on the average german player

Which, isn't very reliable at time

It doesn't matter if you manage to kill 10 guys

you are one tank

If they have 2 M18s

[arctic granite]

Yeah but the player shouldn't be the metric. The vehicle should

[cold lichen]

They cap A and C

You gotta choose

[arctic granite]

Germans have fast recon vehicles too

[cold lichen]

Yes, but you got 5000 tickets to your name

[arctic granite]

A hypothetical only goes so far, it's asinine to make assumptions like this.

[cold lichen]

You capped the B point in your Tiger 2

and bamb

both A and C are being decapped

[arctic granite]

Also I love the implication that the German tanks cannot withstand these cannons

When they absolutely can

[cold lichen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879776035682545676/1116569936630919188/ezgif-5-35e6f5d098.gif

Bro what

[arctic granite]

Have you never played a tiger

[cold lichen]

There is no german tank at 4.7 that can survive a 152

Same deal

Getting one shot

• 85mm having extreme angle pen

Dealing with Churchill VII

[arctic granite]

Why did you bring up 4.7 when we're talking about the 5.3s?

[cold lichen]

Cuz it can be uptiered into the Tiger and panther

[arctic granite]

The Tiger/Panther can absolutely withstand the 152

[cold lichen]

Not lower side

Maybe if the 152mm player is dumb

[arctic granite]

Also for both vehicles the Churchill isn't an issue

[cold lichen]

You are hyper focusing on the ONE set of vehicles

And that you are forgetting that most people bring 3 tanks

1 AA

and usually 1 plane

[arctic granite]

What's your basis for this assumption

[cold lichen]

The fact that you aren't bring up the other tanks that can fight and body the tiger/panther

[arctic granite]

No no, I mean what's your basis for what everyone brings?

[cold lichen]

Cause, most people aren't gonna spend money on the extra crew

[arctic granite]

I'm bringing up vehicles that the Tiger/Panther shouldn't be fighting

[cold lichen]

After the 5 slot

its 200 GE

[arctic granite]

There is no reason that the Panthers and Tiger Is shouldn't be on the same BR as the M26

If the underpowered and undergunned M26 can hold its own at 6.3 why couldn't the Tiger I or Panther A?

[cold lichen]

Idk, maybe the diffence in play styles, the vehicles mobility, firepower, armor layout, the vehicles it CAN face

if its a 6.3

You gonna wanna fight a IS-6 with a Tiger I?

But it can still kill it

If it gets on its side

[arctic granite]

I'd rather fight an IS-6 in a Tiger than a M26

[cold lichen]

Now, what about the Jumbo M26?

[arctic granite]

You mean the assault version or the prototype?

[cold lichen]

The assault one

The T26E5

Not the E1

Well

[arctic granite]

I'm just trading armor for mobility so probably the Tiger still

Since it'll be EVEN SLOWER

[cold lichen]

The E5 is mobile tf you mean

[arctic granite]

Hello?

[cold lichen]

It can tank long 88mm

[arctic granite]

Are we playing the same game

The 46 ton tank with a GAF is mobile? According to fucking what

[cold lichen]

The flat road my ass is riding on cause im not hill fighting in a fat ass

[arctic granite]

The T26E5 use the same engine as the M26 Pershing. It has a poor power-to-weight ratio and its top speed is 40-43 km/h. But expect the average cruising speed to be closer to 30 km/h. When off-road the speed will drop even more. Lacking neutral steering, it might be difficult for the heavy tank to turn in urban environment. As such, the player should plan the route they want to take carefully and avoid flanking manoeuvres that will take a lot of time.

Bro it's 10 hp/ton

It's slow as shit

[cold lichen]

Ok

But I can still obliterate the poor tiger that decided he wanted to face a T26E5

or

More realistically, was force to face

Cause unlike is LONG 90mm brother

[arctic granite]

Almost like the Tiger, Panther and M26 should all be 5.7...

T25 could be 5.3

Since it's garbage now

[cold lichen]

true

[arctic granite]

And why in God's name is the T20 above 5.0

[cold lichen]

Its just a M36 but shit

Cause player kept destroying entire german teams with it

[arctic granite]

(it was me)

[cold lichen]

Cause give a short sherman a reverse gear

And he's damn sure gonna make it everyones problem

[arctic granite]

They broke the T20's back and uptiered it to hell

[cold lichen]

They really broke the T25s back

Stole its stab and left it to hang

[arctic granite]

God forbid the US get decent medium tanks

[cold lichen]

Just saying, the M4A3 76mm still got that dog in it

In the end

What you want is just decompression

[arctic granite]

Speaking from experience, it's a vehicle that shouldn't be 5.7

[cold lichen]

but like

[arctic granite]

Nah I don't even want decompression

I like the variety

But why in God's name are the vehicles in the wrong spots

[cold lichen]

Money

[arctic granite]

It's not like 4.0s of any nation would struggle to kill 5.7s in the US tree

[cold lichen]

I guess that stab really DOES change the world

[arctic granite]

Yeah the stab that's available at 3.0

[cold lichen]

Now the real cope

Is when people complain about the US 75mm being shit

[arctic granite]

It was kinda ass back when M72 did 103

But now it's cracked

[cold lichen]

I've only had issus with volumetric being shit and eating my round on say a KV-1's driver port or clipping the middle and lower plate

[arctic granite]

KV-1s will always be complete BS to fight

I actually enjoyed skullfucking then with the EBR back when it was 4.7

[cold lichen]

You know a tank that deserves no right to be at its BR

the KV-85

[arctic granite]

Honestly the 85 isn't that bad

It's fighting long 75s

And M1 76s

[cold lichen]

I would say that

[arctic granite]

Just cut the hull

[cold lichen]

But if he give any angle these a hard nut to crack

Though, that top capola is juicy

Like the IS's after it

but his ass forgets he has a capola so L

but imagine fighting that in a british or french tank

Who don't enjoy the luxuries of APHE

(with some exeptions)

[arctic granite]

They have higher penetration usually

See: 17pdr

[cold lichen]

also FL10

on the M4A1 SA50

You arn't wrong in that statement

but then, POP

Your round gets eaten by his track

Because you aimed 2 pixles to far to the right

Imma be real

Idc where the hell you put anything

Cause Volumetric is gonna beat yo ass

[arctic granite]

I usually go for crippling shots

[cold lichen]

Case and point

[arctic granite]

Gunner, gun system

[cold lichen]

Panther mantlet

[arctic granite]

Or at the bare minimum try and hurt them as much as possible

[cold lichen]

And Turret dysync

[arctic granite]

Even killing the loader can be super helpful

[cold lichen]

The problem is, unless you are in a tank like a tiger or jumbo

You gonna get clapped if you hit loader

[arctic granite]

I mean not really

[cold lichen]

Luckly, hes got a 50% chance to get fuel exploded

[arctic granite]

I've dunked shells into a vehicle from cross map then fuck off and get to assist

[cold lichen]

So L

[arctic granite]

I don't care as long as it dies

[cold lichen]

Personally, I would rather see it dead

Cause If it isn't

Its either A) gonna kill a bunch of people or B) get enough points to spawn a Pe-8

Neither of which I want

Cause that unfair

Sure a P-47 can kill 1-2 people

but a Pe-8?

Naw fuck that

[arctic granite]

The heavy bombers with large conventional ordnance is so dumb

[cold lichen]

You don't kill the Pe-8 before he drops his mega load

There goes half your team 😐

And now the enemies can push while you have to watch as most of your team respawns/gets into a plane of their own to stop the Pe-8

Also

Killing CAS player in a fighter in GRB is chefs kiss when it come to SL

Cause tanks give less

but other planes do not

XP-55 would like to know your area code

[arctic granite]

Yeah I usually just stat pad with my Russian spitfire

[cold lichen]

In conclusion

There and arn't reasons for tanks being at the BRs they are at

Like

Why is the FIAT 6.3

Or how come the Ikv 91 is 4.0

Not 91

103

Or WHY THE T29 Is 7.0

[arctic granite]

They tried making it 7.3

Lol

Lmao

[cold lichen]

I saw

[arctic granite]

It's okay at 7.0

Also this update is EXCELLENT for the Maus

Because it's not going down but it's also facing less APFSDS

[cold lichen]

True

Same with the IS-4M

And M103

[arctic granite]

And the T32

[cold lichen]

The Surbasse or what ever TF the french call it

And Foch

[arctic granite]

The foch fuckin sucks

[eternal zenith]

surbasse is the 4 second autoloader, right?

no that's the somua

[cold lichen]

Its the 120mm 6-7 second reload MF

[arctic granite]

6 seconds iirc

[keen sequoia]

Holy shit lmfao

373 msgs since yesterday

i got some reading to do

[fervent karma]

Now they added lizard pack

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Link

gib

https://store.gaijin.net/story.php?=4wwn7fcr&skin_lang=en&title=Lizard-technologies-Bundle

[graceful dawn]

Finally unlocked this thing yesterday after about 7 and a half months

Modification grind is proving rather easy, I have the missiles already

[arctic granite]

Did you pay full price to buy it

[sleek fractal]

Do you mena the lizard pack ?

Or the Harrier guy

Cause i already had the tonk

[graceful dawn]

I paid in lions

I don't think squad vehicles ever get lion discount

[graceful dawn]

The fuck is that thing

It's like they took a jagpanzerIV and then thought there was not enough panzerIV in there

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They never do thats right.

[fervent karma]

That's first version of jpz4

[graceful dawn]

bruuuh

[eternal zenith]

Thank you 🇸🇪 🧀

been a while since last I busted a atomic nut

[arctic granite]

Oh eww it's a squad vehicle nvm

[graceful dawn]

yeeeaaah. I started the research the day it released

It's fucking nice, I just need to learn how to missile properly

I keep fucking it up

[eternal zenith]

What's the disgust with squad vehicles?

I think I enjoy that concept more than premiums

[sleek fractal]

Cause people can still instantly buy them

[eternal zenith]

ok?

[sleek fractal]

Its dumb,yet they do it

[eternal zenith]

would be cool if you could eventually squad RP all premiums

[sleek fractal]

Its like some shithead starting the game and buying a high tier prem.Just lower IQ

[arctic granite]

It's better than premiums yeah but it's still more wasted slots in teams due to inexperienced players

[eternal zenith]

idk about air but tier VII ground takes less skill thank tier IV

[graceful dawn]

Tbf, it takes so long to unlock this thing legit that by the time you do, even a noob is going to have some idea how to fly

[sleek fractal]

Still ruins the match for everyone on that team

i remember the 2PL spams

it was horrible

Farming them not so much

[graceful dawn]

I only play air RB

[sleek fractal]

Good choice

[eternal zenith]

every high tier match I join is filled with TURMS, PzBtl 123, 2S38 and you can bet they leave after one death

[arctic granite]

Untrue, you can get it just by playing any game mode. A purely Naval player won't have the chance to get any experience

[arctic granite]

I'd argue otherwise due to less room for error

[eternal zenith]

most tier VII matches are decided in the first 5 minutes, then you just have complete superiority over the field cause of the 1 death leaving, with tier IV I think the tide can turn quite drastically if a teams have a good second or even 3rd wave

might need to change my playstyle

Do you use voice chat, btw?

I always glance over it when I change my options and wonder how that might feel ingame

never dared to turn it on because it's probably terrible

[arctic granite]

It's only squad based iirc

[graceful dawn]

5.7 Air RB has a similar problem because so many people fly the JU288 these days

It makes Germany virtually unplayable

Especially now since there are chinese bots flooding the matchmaker which are flying them

[graceful dawn]

It's not very good

[arctic granite]

This is such a good thing because it lets you solo an enemy team

[graceful dawn]

Small problem: I used to love flying my 109K4

Now it is hellish as I have few or no teammates who are fighters

so I get dogpiled by p51s and spits

At least it makes my Spitfire easier to fly

[arctic granite]

Just don't die, kill the enemy

[eternal zenith]

https://tenor.com/blxSz.gif

[arctic granite]

It works on my machine

https://youtu.be/kG8bBwjdtac

Lol

Lmao

[eternal zenith]

very nice

lol, lmao even

[arctic granite]

Is that M829A3

[eternal zenith]

nah

[arctic granite]

There isn't a vehicle in game that could withstand A3

[eternal zenith]

you think the A2 should be survivable by a few?

it's shorter and has a bit less velocity but a T72 still shouldn't be able to withstand it

[arctic granite]

A2 would only be survivable due to K5

It's hard to have an armor array to protect against it unless it's reactive

[arctic granite]

Okay so this game is surprisingly playable on the steam deck

[eternal zenith]

native?

[arctic granite]

yeah

[eternal zenith]

neat

[arctic granite]

didn't fuck with any of the settings just slapped an M4A1 in my lineup and went 7-1

I died because I crippled a III J and pushed him not realizing there was a StuH protecting him

[eternal zenith]

complete controller?

no mouse keyboard?

[arctic granite]

yeah using the steam deck's default controls

[eternal zenith]

whoa

[arctic granite]

precision aiming is virtually impossible tho

[eternal zenith]

do you get any aim assist / snap on?

[arctic granite]

no

[grave spindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/689951871858901152/1098020897778040832/20230418_172526.gif

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Links for the event vehicle test drives for when the update of theirs goes live (so they obviously aren't working right now)
Su-25BM: https://wiki.warthunder.com/special:GameObjectView?object_id=su_25_558arz
le.Pz.Spw. 204 (f): https://wiki.warthunder.com/special:GameObjectView?object_id=germ_amd_35_kwk
Patria AMV HWP (CT-CV 105HP): https://wiki.warthunder.com/special:GameObjectView?object_id=sw_patria_amv_ctcv_105
Renown (72): https://wiki.warthunder.com/special:GameObjectView?object_id=uk_battlecruiser_renown

[crude notch]

My brain loves this idk why

Looks so satisfying ig

[soft oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HivPadaTIZE

[arctic granite]

There are no cheaters in war thunder

Gaijin confirmed it themselves

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Guy in the video complaints about 40k point event

Skill issue

[solar bolt]

how many will they cost?

near 100+ gc or little higher?

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How should i know

[solar bolt]

combined i mean

[solar bolt]

Nothing personal, just speculations

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I cannot tell you the prices now.It depends on how stupid people are or how broken the R-73 is

Its hard to guess this time

For me they are worth nothing

Copy paste SU,CV90 with wheels,🇧oat

[solar bolt]

but last year' vehicles cost as much as players guessed XDD

[solar bolt]

Ok

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Its possible that they again cost 30-50 gjc again.

[solar bolt]

As a noob, ill farm all 3 stars for gold (especially on ships) and selling em for futures discounts

[solar bolt]

Iam thinking same

about the same*

[sleek fractal]

Il only get the Tank and if i manage the plane too

[solar bolt]

Iam opposite

Farm for selling - trading - buy rare planes from exchange or discounts vehicles 50% costs

Like a rare FWs, or Yaks, or something else like that from last events...

We ll see anyway

[arctic granite]

30-40 gjc

[solar bolt]

Its sad.

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https://warthunder.com/en/game/changelog/current/1528

[arctic granite]

qrd?

[sleek fractal]

those work now

[arctic granite]

yeah couldn't care about that

did the T-55AM-1 go up

or did they just buff it's reload and keep it at 8.3

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8.7

[arctic granite]

honestly that just makes the tank even better because it was already undertiered

[sleek fractal]

yeah it aint bad.

Also Event Vehicles are all trash

the CV on wheels has overall 20mm armor

[arctic granite]

damn that's crazy

anyway so 6.7 is now worth the time again

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Not saying its bad because of that

Saying its bad cause its a worse CV due having wheels

[sleek fractal]

probably

Have to try it

Should be the best balanced BR rn well except for Jumbo being there still

[arctic granite]

The Maus is probably cracked now

since it'll see less APFSDS and it got a bunch of buffs

[soft oracle]

Doubtfull

[eternal zenith]

bastards changed the default belt after I researched the sabots

spent 4 hours screwing around with AP/HE/HE/HE rounds

[arctic granite]

yeah that happens often for some reason (it is to infuriate you)

[soft oracle]

Biggest disaster

[eternal zenith]

ITP goated

[arctic granite]

Prefer the I-301 tbqh

[fervent karma]

Nicocado time

[fervent karma]

Event? What event?

[solar bolt]

100

[soft oracle]

Lel

[soft oracle]

0.8 modifier 💀

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Ha loosers

Also

[arctic granite]

The aubl is pretty lame these days

But good job

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I have one.Its free 77GJC

[sturdy pulsar]

Haven't played in years

Any recomendations for getting back in

[fervent karma]

1.3 For RB

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You know the modifiers change on Tier and not much on Gamemode

[fervent karma]

Should I care about modifiers if I can just commit genocides on low brs

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Yeah cause you need more than 40k depending on the game mode even if it says 40k xD

As shown above.Its just faster

[fervent karma]

Ground RB - Rank 3 - 37K

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Thats from one year ago.Might be with the old equation of 35k points

Il play 7 so i just need 25k its easier to perform on high BR thanks to premium noobs

[fervent karma]

I hate top tier

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Cause you play Germany ?

[fervent karma]

Cause modern tanks sucks

They all same

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Matter of opinion.

i can tell you its not like this cause nearly nobody plays the bad nations in Top tier despite the Ariete or Leclerc being nice vehicles

Gaijin just fucked them

Anyway matter of opinion cause everyone has their favourite BR

and every BR has its own issues.

[fervent karma]

I love 6.7

OG endgame

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6.7 is pretty good now after the changes

OG endgame was TIger 10,5 vs Is4m

[fervent karma]

It was alright back then too

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Which wasnt balanced.

[fervent karma]

Now it's even better

Tiger 2 should be re-introduced

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Lel nah

i farmed so many Tiger 10,5s with the Is4 back then,they couldnt pen Is4´s xD

[fervent karma]

Old german tanks way better than the current ones

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Except they nevery existed in that config xD

[fervent karma]

Who the hell cares

I don't give single fucks about existence

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They do,i do,i have them and they stay unique

They wont reintroduce them.

[fervent karma]

It's unfair to new players

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Its not xD

They are neither OP or special

[fervent karma]

You get 3 good tanks that is better than current 6.7

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lul

I get a Tiger 2 with a long ass reload where the 8.8 is already doing a better job

[fervent karma]

Flakpanzer 341 - Better than ostwind 2
Panther 2 - Probably best panther
Tiger 105 - Better gun, bit less reload time but way stronger engine

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10,5 has not less reload time lol

20 secs vs 9.7 secs xD

Ostwind 2 also never existed like this.

So hey there you go xD

all i see is someone being jealous about crappy Tanks

Except Panther 2

I can get behind that cause its really the best one

They nerfed the Coelian so hard it cant even pen Tanks anymore

And as AA it has way to low of an fire rate tbh

[sleek fractal]

Try getting an IS7 if you have none.

Also unfair

[fervent karma]

For air I have suwu-11

[arctic granite]

mig 29 op

[eternal zenith]

I don't get it, cannon fired ATGM?

[sleek fractal]

Yep they got tandem atgms

[arctic granite]

With the BRs and how fucked they are the Panther II isn't the best anymore and the 105 Tiger is ass in comparison to the regular KTH

[sleek fractal]

Dont tell him the truth

He wont listen anyway

[sleek fractal]

I won a fucking 20gjc skin in one of their esport read streams and didnt get it in 2 weeks

Now ive got told i gotta open a support ticket on their Discord

Fuckkng Gaijin.I know all of the German esports ready guys personaly and still Gaijin manages to fuck that up

[soft oracle]

Howwww

How so much luck

I can't even gamble

[south sand]

Anyone doing a bitta seal clubing ?

[eternal zenith]

still grinding first day, it's been bad

[south sand]

Sorryto hear that

[arctic granite]

couldn't be me

[south sand]

Any one want ot squad up ?

[eternal zenith]

why

not grinding at all or done in 10 matches?

[south sand]

Just bored, need air and naval. I will play tanks for the criac

[eternal zenith]

If I manage to get 40k in naval still I might be able to keep this up. 9 keys would be cute

[arctic granite]

Rewards are total shit

[eternal zenith]

Won't they go for ~50 gaijoonbucks each?

[arctic granite]

Yeah but I could work minimum wage for a day and make more than that

[eternal zenith]

If you get only good matches that's a hourly wage of a cool 66c

I don't think you could even get a Argentinian NEET to grind for that

[keen sequoia]

new event?

[soft oracle]

Yes

[keen sequoia]

Oh wait its the SU-25 and co event isnt it?

[sleek fractal]

Yep

[keen sequoia]

How long does it run for?

On holidays and hope i can get the su-25 before the event ends

[arctic granite]

You know there's this really cool website you can go to if you want to find out about in game stuff

[keen sequoia]

You know you have the possibility to kys

[soft oracle]

20 days

[keen sequoia]

I see I see

I nshallah I will get the SU-25

[soft oracle]

Insha Allah

Wobbles a lot and has ATGMS

A lot of them

[keen sequoia]

Hmm

[stray bane]

Is low-tier F2P enjoyable or am I gonna hate myself no matter what?

I've played a tiny bit of air and I kinda wanted to try ground

[keen sequoia]

Low tier, yes

I'd say the max you'd enjoy

Without grinding your entire life

Is 5.3

[stray bane]

Isn't there a point where you struggle to make repair costs without premium?

[keen sequoia]

For me that was 6.3-6.7

So i gave into the snail lel

BUT, the new economy is very nice

[stray bane]

I've already been trolled by one questionable russian dev
what's one more?

[keen sequoia]

Lel

anyways

[stray bane]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-get-real-gif-21323382

[keen sequoia]

new economy is very nice, a mate of mine who plays GRB without prem time or prem vehicles said the economy is so much better for F2P players

[stray bane]

ooo

Dollarplays makes the game look like too much fun

[keen sequoia]

It is, at times

[stray bane]

the what now

[keen sequoia]

Zamn

[stray bane]

those freaky francos

Is your pfp because you main Germany?

[keen sequoia]

This pfp is recent

but my old german one i had long before i started plsying wt lel

[solar bolt]

i want to trade theese event craps in gayjin exchange for 50 gcoins. need more official youtubers' videos lol

80$ for stars = 200+ in future for playable middle / high tier premium planes / tanks

[stray bane]

Should I do U.S., Germans, or Soviets?

[sleek fractal]

Sweden or China

Sweden has everything Germany has but better + Russian Tech

China has everything US and Russia has but better til end of Cold war then has its own tanks which are also good ingame but trash irl

You will loose a lot and be very frustrated with the main 3 at certain points of progression due brainless one death leavers and premium spam.

[blazing pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-gif-23766058

these new vehicles really suck ngl

[eternal zenith]

Sweden

[stray bane]

Fitta kuk ok 🫡

[quartz kelp]

I always felt like low tier is quirky and I had fun from the start... except for germany and france

3.7 is where the game starts properly

[eternal zenith]

reserve is most fun

shame they don't make any daily challenges especially for reserve

Or not even daily, just like a 10k SL task that constantly refreshes, no rank limit

[keen sequoia]

Whatever vehicles you like more, although I must say Germany at 5.3 demolishes

[quartz kelp]

Honestly just play germany to use the duck as cas lol

[arctic granite]

Any one of those is good tbqh

But for Germany you'll find yourself having terrible win rates due to there being a phenomenon where only mouth breathers main Germany

[solar bolt]

Ok ive got this event

Very easy, waiting next, for 800k per day

[soft oracle]

Bruh

How much did it cost?

Soviet 4.3/4.7 is awesome like 5.3 and 5.7 and Germany at 5.3/5.7 is also awesome like in 3.0

[arctic granite]

American 3.7, 4.3, 5.0 and 6.3 smack

[eternal zenith]

L + ratio

[arctic granite]

Bodied

[ruby rain]

I started the game maining GBR ground rb 100% f2p.

Now 836 h in

[quartz kelp]

actual pain

[soft oracle]

Time to spend $6.6

[eternal zenith]

on what?

Think they know that french CBT also means cock and ball torture involving someones mouth / teeth?

Either way it fits

[soft oracle]

Star

1000ge

[eternal zenith]

didn't know the VT-01 was able to "rotate" the barrels

he just casually shot sideways, no idea how this bug works

[sleek fractal]

Wtf

Can you clip it?

I want to see that

[eternal zenith]

If I find the replay, yeah

[eternal zenith]

Oh no. They gave the 2M a 10.0 rating. Now there's even less reason to use it

[quartz kelp]

SL booster go brrrr

[eternal zenith]

Wow, very nice

[soft oracle]

What do you mean by that???? 🤨🤨🤨

[eternal zenith]

The BMP-2M has always been rated lower, being a shitty squad vehicle. Apparently it was too OP and had to get it's BR nerfed

[quartz kelp]

it got the op grenade launcher tho 🤓

[eternal zenith]

is it?

[soft oracle]

Shitty squad vehicle?

[quartz kelp]

no

[soft oracle]

How

[eternal zenith]

I've yet to unlock it's potential, I'm sure you can somehow really use it well

[soft oracle]

It is far from "shitty" squadron vehicle, probably the best choice

Better than T-80UK

[eternal zenith]

not at 10.0

[soft oracle]

0.3 doesn't matter

You still can engage everything reliably

Most of the other vehicles gor moved up by same degree

So it isn't big of a change

[eternal zenith]

I mean it was one of the first I unlocked because it's fun but it's survivability is really non existant

[soft oracle]

It's a BMP

There isn't any ifv with that much firepower at br

[eternal zenith]

I think they should be around 9 tbh

[soft oracle]

M3A3 is 10.0 and it is worse

[eternal zenith]

at least it can survive a direct shot

[soft oracle]

You won't

[eternal zenith]

but then again, the bmp has so little armour there's practically no spalling

[quartz kelp]

get this man to the infirmary

[eternal zenith]

What brings it to 10.0 really? The 4 bay ATGM launcher?

Optics?

[soft oracle]

Apfsds machinegun, 4 atgms with proxy and 1.2m of tandem pen that can be guided on the move, awesome thermals, CITV, annoying grenade launcher decent speed

It's russian so it is cheap

[eternal zenith]

CITV?

[soft oracle]

Commanders independent thermal viewer

[eternal zenith]

ok gotcha

[soft oracle]

I think commander doesn't actually have thermal view

I think it is just NVD

Can't remember haven't played it in a long

But hunter-killer ability

[eternal zenith]

what's hunter-killer in that context

firing from commander view?

I gotta give it a go again, you made it sound very fun

[soft oracle]

Yeah

Also IR lead for air targets

You lock and lead without them knowing

Lowkey SPAA

Proxy ATGMs are faster and have quite a punch, will hit 5km helis

[zealous tide]

does anyone know anything about monitors and warthunder combined?

cause i want to get a new monitor and i set between the Gigabyte G32QC and the GIGABYTE G34WQC-A UWQHD and i have no ideea wich one is better

[arctic granite]

Still not worth 10.0

[arctic granite]

Literally doesn't matter

[soft oracle]

It has been equally moved up like other top tier vehicles

It doesn't matter

9.7 or 10.0

[arctic granite]

It does matter

[zealous tide]

But will ultrawide give me problems in warthunder?

[eternal zenith]

Yeah I've been trying to use them a bit more during match and the proxy ATGMs are pretty neat

[arctic granite]

Google, pull up war thunder ultrawide

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/2xto3l/war_thunder_in_3440x1440_resolution/

Woah...

[eternal zenith]

no, they had pretty good widescreen support ever since I remember. Been playing on 3 screens for years until I switched back to a single display

[zealous tide]

hmm man i really can't decide like a ultra wide is neat but the only thing that im fustrated is that the G32QC is Taller

[eternal zenith]

why go for the gigabyte branded version?

is it cheaper than others or did you choose and find that the most interesting?

[zealous tide]

im a gigabyte fan boy, i couldn't find any better versions

[eternal zenith]

fair

[zealous tide]

i mean i don't trus Samsung since they are a big company and you know how it is with their past G3, and G5 monitors

[eternal zenith]

well if it's about brand then it doesn't matter

[zealous tide]

i doesn't but i sold my sould already twice to gigabyte

bought overpriced GPU and PSU when the miners tought they are cool

[eternal zenith]

overpriced PSU?

[zealous tide]

yeah

[eternal zenith]

which one?

[zealous tide]

750w Gigabyte something something

i think it was Gold plus rated

In my country we relly on 3 main resellers

[eternal zenith]

Gigabyte gives you 10 year warranty, don't they? With PSUs you can at least keep them forever

[zealous tide]

Oh yeah

same for GPU i have 5 year + 2 from the reseller

[eternal zenith]

but I checked the monitor and the panel is pgood, don't think you'll regret getting the ultrawide

[zealous tide]

alright im going for that one

[eternal zenith]

what would you pay for it?

[zealous tide]

let me see

https://www.cel.ro/monitor-gaming-curbat-34-gigabyte-g34wqc-a-uwqhd-va-1ms-144hz-hdr10-freesync-premium-g-sync-compatible-pNCQxPDEmMg-l/

2000 Lei around 400 euros

394 to be exact

good price from what i've seen in some Youtube vids

[arctic granite]

Personally I would go for standard resolutions

Purely because everything else supports it

And ultrawide is a gimmick

[zealous tide]

Damn

[eternal zenith]

You have the benefit of getting cheaper price compared to 2 smaller monitors of the same resolution, plus no bevel

I think by now UW is pretty well included

[soft oracle]

It's VA panel

Don't do it

It sucks ass

[zealous tide]

IPS it's too expensive here

i wanted to go for IPS but it's around 3000 lei

[eternal zenith]

IPS isn't that much of a difference anymore

[zealous tide]

i have 2250 lei

[soft oracle]

You can find 1440p 27" IPS at 144hz

Yes it is a difference compared to VA

[zealous tide]

yeah but im looking for a 1440p monitor wich is big

[soft oracle]

The ugly smearing of VA is just yucky yuck

[zealous tide]

I'm used to that i acutaly forgot it exists

[eternal zenith]

I'd agree but newer panels tend to not have that much of an issue with it

[arctic granite]

I have two 2k 32inch 144hz

Comfy comfy

[zealous tide]

but honestly any new Monitor would be an upgrade since my monitor is fucked after i punched it

[arctic granite]

But yeah make sure you get a panel worth a fuck

[eternal zenith]

Might not want to spend a lot on a monitor then

[zealous tide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1082715870893195274.gif?size=48&name=Catxplosion&quality=lossless

my brain

[eternal zenith]

Also have you checked local used ones?

Cause truth be told until I got my current monitor I never bought a new monitor ever

[zealous tide]

Ah....

I mean in Romania here we don't trust second hand a lot...

[eternal zenith]

My favourite is to get monitors with dead pixels or something on the side and be bitchy about it to lowball them as much as I can

[zealous tide]

wtf XD

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/981934056553984040.gif?size=48&name=kekg&quality=lossless

[soft oracle]

Expensive new panels tend to eliminate smearing but still not clear as IPS

Just get OLED

[eternal zenith]

this

[arctic granite]

Comfy as fuck

[zealous tide]

T-80?

[soft oracle]

T-64 moment

[eternal zenith]

I got a LG CX for almost 3 years now. Not even slightly burned in

[eternal zenith]

what mouse?

[arctic granite]

Logitech G pro

[soft oracle]

I got addicted to Super AMOLED on my phone and high refresh rate

[arctic granite]

I run a K95 platinum as my keyboard

I also have excellent taste in backgrounds if anyone wants some good ones

[soft oracle]

Send it

Here

[eternal zenith]

They're with the Hero sensor, right? Great mice

[soft oracle]

I haven't bought a mouse since 2017

[soft oracle]

The color got torn apart that I just used sandpaper to get it off

[arctic granite]

I got a lot more but I don't want to spam

[eternal zenith]

Anyone wana see my background

[quartz kelp]

so much detail

[eternal zenith]

ok, I just killed a moffet by machine gunning down the turrets with this bad boy for 10 minutes

To be fair I think he let me win but it still seemed like he tried to get away from me but I destroyed most auxiliary turrets and AA guns

[half crown]

You got some with t-90?

[arctic granite]

Nah I usually try and save pictures of good tanks

[spark spindle]

Well, that is about 3 times as much SL as I have ever had in my pocket.

[arctic granite]

How do people not have a good reserve of SL to fall back on

[quartz kelp]

you guys have positive SL?

[arctic granite]

I have 79 million SL

[spark spindle]

premium moment i guess

[arctic granite]

No sirr, just spending wisely and not dumping SL into vehicles unless they're at least half off

[spark spindle]

Then there is hope for me as well. I need to change my ways

[arctic granite]

Just don't buy pricy vehicles unless it's Halloween, Christmas or Summer

[eternal zenith]

Ice cream addicts

[eternal zenith]

how often do SL discounts usually happen?

[sleek fractal]

Twice a year

Maybe 3 times

[sturdy pulsar]

I bought 400 crates and I got nothing

[sleek fractal]

I got in 100 crates a few gun decorations and plenty SL bacc

[eternal zenith]

Judging from your drops you should be excluded from the sample group

[sleek fractal]

[eternal zenith]

wasted 365 euros if you choose the SL > GE > FIAT conversion

I knew I wouldn't get anything good, yet I still bought a couple of spoons

[sturdy pulsar]

I never buy anything in this game, it's ok

4 Defeats in a row 😔

[eternal zenith]

I finally unlocked Kinetic ammo for the M1 AIM and still get violated by everything else on the field

but the proximity HEAT is fun

[arctic granite]

4-5 times iirc

[eternal zenith]

any idea when the next is?

I saved up 34million so far ready for that -50% discount

[arctic granite]

October 31

There might be a German unity thing on Oct 3rd

If you buy anything right now you're only shooting yourself in the foot

Seriously, wait the 40 days to get more milage with your SL

[sturdy pulsar]

Yeah I basically end below 10 most of the time

My best match so far has been 3 kills on a loss

on the Israeli M-51 with Heat only

Really whiffs sometimes

[eternal zenith]

The M-51 is a pain to play imo

[eternal zenith]

do you rush? Might wana sneak around a bit more and take long range shots at ppl

[sturdy pulsar]

50/50

I try to actually play the objective

Which means moving cover to cover towards the point

[eternal zenith]

well, don't do that

[sturdy pulsar]

and scanning

the issue normally is someone has done a megaflank and 7 other guys haven't seen em

and the closest guy is tunneling looking at 1 approach only

[eternal zenith]

I think the M-51 is best used in a defensive role, disable rushing heavy tanks with the HE

[arctic granite]

I need to try it tbh

[sturdy pulsar]

I've hit everything but gunner or ammo, and I know where to shoot the tiger

XD

tbh, I can't wait for the RP Buffs, I look forwards to that

I know they're along the line at some point and I'm p sure we'll get another roadmap article at some point this month

[eternal zenith]

Really enjoying myself. Play well, get paid, even without premium active

[sturdy pulsar]

Yeah I made 10k rp somehow lol

in like 6 games after like

years of not touching it

[stray bane]

here have fun with this

[eternal zenith]

https://tenor.com/beWC0.gif

[stray bane]

I am not responsible for what happens to the ally who parks in front of my gun barrel while I'm lining up a shot

[arctic granite]

Unironically this

Also friendly helicopters that hover next to me get team killed

I'm trying to listen for engines

[eternal zenith]

can you still tk helis?

[solar bolt]

why i meet xp50 in any br...

playing in fw190d13 - against xp50...

playing in kingcobra63 - against xp50

took I225 - fucking xp50s attack me lol

Inbalance premium, waiting nerfing it to 5.0+ br or whatever

[sly galleon]

Wart hunter

[quartz kelp]

it's balanced by the lack of synapses of the players

[arctic granite]

It would still body you

[trail briar]

average 122 user experience

[fading locust]

13th and 14th nuke respectively, all gotten with germany
second one happened the next day after the first one
i may have 14 nukes under my belt maybe it's finally time to get some bitches under my belt instead (2000 hours, may the monolith save me)
and yes, i did absolutely shit myself when my tail started dipping on the first one

[sturdy pulsar]

RB has bomb markers now?

[sleek fractal]

Specify this question

[sturdy pulsar]

Planes with CCIP in RB show bomb markers?

[sleek fractal]

Still dont get your question

Cause a bomb marker is the red marker marking a bomb

Which you see when its dropped when your on the ground

If you mean the ccip reticle to help you aim

Its in the game for at least 6 years

[arctic granite]

Arcade marker

[sleek fractal]

Those are obviously not in RB

[arctic granite]

Yeah they are

[sleek fractal]

His question is just akward cause i can interpret nearly everything into it

[arctic granite]

It's just disguised as CCIP

[sleek fractal]

Thats not an arcade marker

[arctic granite]

It essentially is

[sleek fractal]

For me an arcade marker is the enemy being highlighted

Not my reticle that i get only when i have the specific computer on my plane

[sleek fractal]

Which i said here

[sturdy pulsar]

It essentially is a AB bomb drop thingy

[sleek fractal]

Its a reticle

[sturdy pulsar]

it's late at night, words hard

yes the bomb reticle

I wasn't aware it was in RB top tier

since I stopped at like, Props

[sleek fractal]

Yeah but its in the game since ages

I can understand that cause mussile meta is garbage

But still

Theres even a gun and rocket computer

[arctic granite]

It's an arcade marker

[sturdy pulsar]

yeah but top tier takes top time to get lmao

I think higher toy I have is an Abrams

when it was first introduced

[sleek fractal]

If your semi interested in the game it just takes 3 months

[loud crow]

jfc

[trail briar]

Honest skill issue

[stray bane]

Shots 1-5 clearly missed

[keen sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-get-real-gif-21323382

[eternal zenith]

do a flip

[stray bane]

Out here carrying in Ground AB 1.0

[eternal zenith]

bully

1.0, regardless of mode is this

[stray bane]

Hours of WT youtube has prepared me for sealclubbing clueless gamers

4 games and I haven't died yet

[eternal zenith]

I love it

they should just allow you to bring a tier VII tank into reserve matches

[keen sequoia]

[eternal zenith]

imagine, you playing 1.0 and then you hear some droning music. Heavy autocannon fire in the distance

A single Puma was released into the field

[stray bane]

I was this other M2A4s sniper buddy
got a few assists

[sturdy pulsar]

LVT are bs

[eternal zenith]

the class P of it's time

[sleek fractal]

Tog 2 when

[sturdy pulsar]

Lootbox only

I want the CNY boxes back

I actually got shit out of those

[sleek fractal]

i hated those

I wonder what they will do for 11th anniversary

[sturdy pulsar]

I hope they bring back the vics

I slacked

[arctic granite]

Comedy

Germany suffers

When will they fix the infinite side armor panther bug

[sturdy pulsar]

that's volumetrics bullshit at it again

Probably once they get annoyed with enough reports

[arctic granite]

It's only been a feature for 4 years, surely those reports will stack up eventually

Sure wish the game was built on actual pen values instead of made up calculators

[sturdy pulsar]

I haven't it had happen on a side panther yet

but on parts where there's overlap of things like viewer ports yeah

[arctic granite]

I think I've had it happen about 8-9 times

Most notably in hellcats, EBRs and T-34-85s

[sturdy pulsar]

Never in any of those for me

T-34's pop like

[arctic granite]

I think there's miscommunication, these vehicles used against panthers

[eternal zenith]

that was a bit of a rough angle tho

[arctic granite]

By what metric

It's a 40mm plate at less than 30 degrees obliquity

[sturdy pulsar]

Hitting 2? Plates and the armor below

[arctic granite]

These guns were rigorously tested against spaced plates and angles, this wouldn't have been enough to stop penetration, even if the shell impacted straight on against the 20mm plate it would have fractured and sent shards into the crew compartment

[eternal zenith]

rewatched it and tried to test it ingame cause it seemed like this should've been a rack. Bullshit

no way this shot was further away than maybe 200m

basically point blank for the 3.7inch

[arctic granite]

It has to do with the way the same simulates armor thickness

[eternal zenith]

maybe they try and factor in something like shell deforming due to excessive speeds? British did have trouble with breaking the point on their shots and not penetrating

it's nowhere mentioned that they are planning to add this but I can't explain it otherwise

[arctic granite]

This game barely simulates gun basics, they wouldn't go that far

[eternal zenith]

[sturdy pulsar]

It's Volumetrics issue

[arctic granite]

How long did it take them to make radiators more than a waste of dev time? 11 years?

[sturdy pulsar]

You're hitting 3 things at once

[arctic granite]

It's a penetration mechanic issue, we're very well aware of that

But it's not so much volumetric as it is just the base system for dealing with armor values

[leaden fiber]

how can i better be warthunder in

[eternal zenith]

play more

play fast reload tanks at first to get a feel for the shot drop

[leaden fiber]

with low velocity tanks?

[eternal zenith]

don't really matter.

how many hours you in?

[leaden fiber]

im just rlly bad in determining where to fire ur shots, im lazy to check

[leaden fiber]

wait lemme check

[arctic granite]

Play the meta, abuse broken strats

[eternal zenith]

lol

[arctic granite]

Nvm

Stop while you're ahead

[eternal zenith]

yeah it's not too late

[leaden fiber]

i know war thunder gives u major retardation but idk its satisfying to kill tanks in one shell

i just saw smth, a japs aaa better than japs light tank?

[arctic granite]

Japs have good tanks if you're not garbage

[sturdy pulsar]

You know that's a slur no

lol

[leaden fiber]

hard to use, how can use any tier 1 jap tanks on heavily armored tier 1 tanks

[leaden fiber]

what a slur?

[sturdy pulsar]

Jap

[leaden fiber]

nah thats fine were not in ww2

[eternal zenith]

especially the one SPG with the ship cannon bolted on it. 10 shells but if you good you can dish out one hits reliably

[arctic granite]

Yeah it's not 1944 and we're not using it in that context, no different than using Kraut, Brit, Yankee or Franc

[sleek fractal]

Muted and brainfart exile at the same time

Damn

[sleek fractal]

Its kinda funny that the Sturmtiger can carry 14 Rockets irl

Considering how hughe they are

[arctic granite]

Isn't 90% of the superstructure for ammo storage

[sleek fractal]

Dont know,cause i know those pictures with the loading crane + we sadly couldnt get inside of it

Its probably like that cause otherwise it wouldnt work

[arctic granite]

Yeah it's just ammo storage behind the gunner

[sleek fractal]

Seen a picture of the one that loaded a 38cm before going to battle

Only the chains and a bit of steel was left cause it detonated in the breach

[arctic granite]

Still waiting on my M40

Or M12

[sleek fractal]

Tog II

[arctic granite]

Lame

We need more interesting tanks

Also where's the StuG IV we were promised 10 years ago

Also the SU-14 would be dope

[stray bane]

Bob Semple when

[arctic granite]

Soon

[sleek fractal]

Su-14 and Stug 4 are 2 things i completely forgot about